[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I am still reading - its a pretty extraordinary book, to me anyway. You are quite the writer and should I ever be able to write to that level, I will be a happy man. I am still feeling energy, sometimes with a Capital E. Some I might expect such as the account of Rama allowing the golden light to glow and glow and glow in the room, the Buddha meditation in the Hawaiian restaurant..., Ah, yes...good moments, both of them. The latter story was written at the time, which possibly makes a difference. Fred Lenz was, after all, an English professor before he became a guru/cult figure, and so he highly recommended that everyone keep a Journal, and when they had extraordinary experiences, to write them down *as soon as possible* after they'd happened. His theory was -- and I fully believe it is true, based on personal experience -- that many of these experiences happen in alternate realities that you can't easily access or even remember when you're back in your normal, everyday reality. He felt -- and again I agree -- that if you have some whiz-bang experience that if you don't write it down in the first day or so after it happens, much or most of the experience will be lost to you forever. When trying to go back and recapture it, you'll end up adding too much fiction and moodmaking into the writing, because you won't be able to remember how it *felt*. You can't recapture the state of attention you were in at the time because you are no longer in it. On the other hand, his theory was that if you *do* write it down at the time, you can then go back later and polish the writing (as I did with some of the stories), but more important, the writing now serves as kind of a doorway or portal back to the state of attention you experienced while the original events were going on. He called this the second level of writing, creating a catalyst for yourself such that, when you read it again in the future, it takes you back to the mindset of the original experience and allows you to experience it again. That certainly happened for me when writing some of the stories, and still happens sometimes when I go back and read some of them. Rama's third level of writing is something I'm not sure I've ever achieved, but I still aspire to it. That's when you manage to capture enough of the energy and mindset of an extraordinary experience that *someone else* can get a hit on it, and feel a little of the original energy and wonder. I've certainly experienced that when reading some of my favorite authors. ...but some of the strongest Energy was when I read the chapter Style about how you live your life when no one else is watching (and how you decorate a house) - Maybe I am just wanting to feel a lot so I am doing so at odd moments. Whatever. A lot of these stories were written -- like my Paris cafe stories -- sitting down at a cafe in Santa Fe with essentially a blank mind and a blank canvas, and just *writing*, to see what came out. At the time of that story, I was just having SO much fun decorating my house that I guess that's what came out. :-) Anyhow I am gonna take a break for the night and see what tomorrow brings - thanks again for sharing this link - I'm getting a lot out of it. No problem, and I hope it answers some of your questions. He was definitely an odd guy, clearly the oddest I've ever met in this lifetime. Much of my experience studying with him was wonderful, and mainly because -- in contrast to the TMO where I'd spent the previous few years -- so much of it was FUN. We went to movies together; we went to Disneyland together; we went to Hawaii and Paris and Amsterdam together. We'd dress up in tuxes and evening dresses and have lavish dinners at The Pierre in NY or at Windows On The World. Nothing about the trip was reclusive or aspiring to head off someday and live in a cave. It was very much a Tantric trip -- not only about living in the world, but about living in the world *well*, and with some style. When it began to be less fun, I wound up having to make some decisions about whether to bail on it or not, and wound up bailing. Many friends stuck it out for a couple of more years, but then Rama wound up bailing on *them*, kinda leaving them floundering for some time. I consider myself fortunate that I had made my own decision to leave before then, and thus didn't have to deal with that sudden absence. Anyway, to quote the Grateful Dead, it was a long, strange trip, and even though I'm not part of it any more, I'm glad I wrote some of it down. Heck, if I hadn't, by now I'd be half convinced that I imagined it all. :-) But I didn't. On Thu, 1/16/14, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 7:47 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience
Since Michael got me thinking about the writing thang again, I thought I'd try to start a thread *about* writing, and hope that it doesn't devolve into mere ankle-biting. Writing is a Class I narcotic. If you can get into the flow of it, it's a more powerful high than any street drug you can name. I've tried many of them in my day, so I speak with some experience on this subject. :-) And the high comes -- at least for me -- from a phenomenon I call reversing the flow. It's IMO what artists do that transforms what they do from mere doing into art. Most of our lives we spend taking in the flow of life. We are bombarded by so many sights, sounds, and experiences. They flow seemingly from outside of us *into* us, where we process them mentally and physically and turn them into our perception of reality. And we also turn them into our philosophy about life, whether we think of it in those terms or not. Each of these experiences *shapes* us, *colors* us, and transforms us in many ways. And ALL of these experiences are still floating around in our brains somewhere, ready to be accessed if we can only find the key to get back into them. For me, one of the mechanisms that provides that key is writing. When I sit down and try to write about a past spiritual experience, often magic happens and it becomes a present spiritual experience. When you find the key to these formative spiritual experiences in your brain, you can allow them to come out, and express themselves in your writing. And that process feels very much to me like reversing the flow. Instead of taking in the experiences the world has presented you, you get to send them out instead. You get to feel the same energies, but now flowing *from* you back out into the world they came from. It's a real rush. Trying to capture the elusiveness of a very high alternate reality state of attention in words, it's as if the only way my brain can accomplish that is by putting me *back* into that same alternate reality state of attention. And the wonderful thing is that it's *still there*. By writing about it I can pull that state of attention into the present, put it on like a suit of clothes, and wear it again while writing the story. It's just the damndest thing. It's pretty much my favorite thing these days, now that I've kinda weaned myself from chasing gurus. One of the most fun things for me, which you don't get to see often here on this forum because I don't post those kinds of writing here, is to write characters. What makes that fun is that I do a kind of mental trick when I do so. I put on the character, assume their identity, and wear them for the duration of the story or scene I'm writing. That's what made the writing of the two scorpion stories in Road Trip Mind so much fun for me. The first one came out fairly spontaneously, during that short time window after an experience where you can still remember it clearly. The event in question had been a particularly powerful desert trip with Rama, and I was still reeling from it, so much so that I wasn't sure I still had an I to reel. I had actually made an audio tape of some of the things said on that trip, and after transcribing it I knew I wanted to turn it into a story, but every attempt to start writing it failed until I hit upon a quirky idea. Why not tell my story from someone else's point of view? Tell about the same events, but as seen by someone else. And so, being me, I chose an Anza-Borrego Desert scorpion as my narrator. I tried to imagine what it would be like to be a wise-ass scorpion living in Carrizo Gorge, and put on his mindset. Then I managed to wear it while writing the story. The whole story, as it turned out, because it all came out in one short burst of binge-writing. And man! was that FUN. What a high -- being not only someone else, but someone not even of your species. Unfortunately, both in real life and in my story, the evening didn't turn out so well for my narrator-scorpion. He got smushed. And on some level I missed him, because I'd had so much FUN being him. Then, years later, when I was struggling to find a way to *end* Road Trip Mind, my Native American girlfriend read the first scorpion story and said, You should write about him again. That idea stuck in my head, even though I had killed him off in the first story. So I just reincarnated him. The last story in RTM is written from the point of view of his next incarnation. Talk about FUN! I was sitting there in a Santa Fe bar laughing out loud as I got to be him again, and that story just came out, again all in one session of binge-writing. What a high. I think the waitress thought I was high on something. And I was. I was high on writing. Which brings me back to the original subject. *Can* we think of writing not only as a way to capture and convey spiritual experience to others, but as a *spiritual experience in itself*? I think we can. Musicians certainly do it. Painters are famous for doing it. Both sets of
[FairfieldLife] RE: Jerry Seinfeld, David Lynch to sit dow n for Bob Roth’s ‘Su ccess without Stress’
Obviously one has to agree that Stress is the black plague of the 21st century, and the main culprit behind the high levels of stress around the world today is capitalism and competition. TM will make living with that dreadful economic system somewhat bearable but like communism it will have to go.
[FairfieldLife] Arathi, The Light Ceremony in India
A nice overview of this most ancient Indian ritual / custom : http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2014/01/17/arathi-a-ritual-in-light-children-of-light/ http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2014/01/17/arathi-a-ritual-in-light-children-of-light/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Rama's third level of writing is something I'm not sure I've ever achieved, but I still aspire to it. That's when you manage to capture enough of the energy and mindset of an extraordinary experience that *someone else* can get a hit on it, and feel a little of the original energy and wonder. If my experience is any indication, you have achieved that third level for sure. On Fri, 1/17/14, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 8:09 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I am still reading - its a pretty extraordinary book, to me anyway. You are quite the writer and should I ever be able to write to that level, I will be a happy man. I am still feeling energy, sometimes with a Capital E. Some I might expect such as the account of Rama allowing the golden light to glow and glow and glow in the room, the Buddha meditation in the Hawaiian restaurant..., Ah, yes...good moments, both of them. The latter story was written at the time, which possibly makes a difference. Fred Lenz was, after all, an English professor before he became a guru/cult figure, and so he highly recommended that everyone keep a Journal, and when they had extraordinary experiences, to write them down *as soon as possible* after they'd happened. His theory was -- and I fully believe it is true, based on personal experience -- that many of these experiences happen in alternate realities that you can't easily access or even remember when you're back in your normal, everyday reality. He felt -- and again I agree -- that if you have some whiz-bang experience that if you don't write it down in the first day or so after it happens, much or most of the experience will be lost to you forever. When trying to go back and recapture it, you'll end up adding too much fiction and moodmaking into the writing, because you won't be able to remember how it *felt*. You can't recapture the state of attention you were in at the time because you are no longer in it. On the other hand, his theory was that if you *do* write it down at the time, you can then go back later and polish the writing (as I did with some of the stories), but more important, the writing now serves as kind of a doorway or portal back to the state of attention you experienced while the original events were going on. He called this the second level of writing, creating a catalyst for yourself such that, when you read it again in the future, it takes you back to the mindset of the original experience and allows you to experience it again. That certainly happened for me when writing some of the stories, and still happens sometimes when I go back and read some of them. Rama's third level of writing is something I'm not sure I've ever achieved, but I still aspire to it. That's when you manage to capture enough of the energy and mindset of an extraordinary experience that *someone else* can get a hit on it, and feel a little of the original energy and wonder. I've certainly experienced that when reading some of my favorite authors. ...but some of the strongest Energy was when I read the chapter Style about how you live your life when no one else is watching (and how you decorate a house) - Maybe I am just wanting to feel a lot so I am doing so at odd moments. Whatever. A lot of these stories were written -- like my Paris cafe stories -- sitting down at a cafe in Santa Fe with essentially a blank mind and a blank canvas, and just *writing*, to see what came out. At the time of that story, I was just having SO much fun decorating my house that I guess that's what came out. :-) Anyhow I am gonna take a break for the night and see what tomorrow brings - thanks again for sharing this link - I'm getting a lot out of it. No problem, and I hope it answers some of your questions. He was definitely an odd guy, clearly the oddest I've ever met in this lifetime. Much of my experience studying with him was wonderful, and mainly because -- in contrast to the TMO where I'd spent the previous few years -- so much of it was FUN. We went to movies together; we went to Disneyland together; we went to Hawaii and Paris and Amsterdam together. We'd dress up in tuxes and evening dresses and have lavish dinners at The Pierre in NY or at Windows On The World. Nothing about the trip was reclusive or aspiring to head off someday and live in a cave. It was very much a Tantric trip -- not only about living in the world, but about living in the world *well*, and with some style. When it began to be less fun, I wound up having to make some decisions about whether to bail on it or not, and wound up bailing. Many friends stuck it out for a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Technology
Twitter at 3:00 AM The activity column shows you what everyone you follow on Twitter is doing. It will tell you if someone just favorited a tweet or followed someone new in a constantly moving stream. But if you follow a lot of heavy Twitter users, the feed will often move fast... 'There Are Things You Do On Twitter That Should Only Be Done At 3' AM' http://www.newstimes.com/technology/business/insider/AMhttp://www.newstimes.com/technology/businessinsider/article/There-Are-Things-You-Do-On-Twitter-That-Should-5143067.php On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: The anti-NSA smartphone? [image: Inline image 1] Blackphone at Popular Mechanics Of course, perfect encryption (which many argue isn't even possible) is a two-way street. Whether calling, emailing, or texting, the level of security is dependent on what tech or services are being used on the other end of the line. Blackphone, the Security-First Smartphone: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/tech-news/silent-circle-announces-security-first-smartphone-16384335?click=pm_latest On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Galaxy Nexus 16GB (Unlocked) Lack of an SD card slot and only 16GB of internal memory. This is the only thing that bothers me. However USB OTG solves part of this problem (with a special cable, you can plug in an external mass storage device -- this does not currently work without rooting, but official support will be included in a future firmware update as confirmed by Google). - Amazon review: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-I9250-Galaxy-Nexus-Unlocked/http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-I9250-Galaxy-Nexus-Unlocked/product-reviews/B005ZEF01A/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1 On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Example of abandoned technology: [image: Inline image 1] On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: So, the Obamacare web site isn't working too well - what else is new? Sometimes it's hell working in IT - for years I tried to get the enrollment systems right at a major community college. When I first got there, they were enrolling students using paper and pen and long lines standing out in the sun. Teachers would be sitting at long tables enrolling students one by one - it took all day just to enroll in a few courses. Enrollment was hell back then! Then, we got our first PC - an IBM running on DOS. Instructors would walk all the way across campus just to look at it, not use it, just look at it. The college IT director couldn't understand what we were going to do with all that hard drive space! Today, there are over 5,000 PCs on the main campus and another 5,000 spread out over twenty computer labs on five campuses. And, enrollment is still hell! The school has at least three Oracle databases for student enrollment, one for credit card payments, personal data like adds and drops, grades, and the online library database, and then the course database. Not to mention the 3,000 online courses using the Blackboard database! Who do they think is going to run all this technology with me gone? Go figure. Somebody should write ONE simple program called 'schools'. Go figure. 'Some say health-care site’s problems highlight flawed federal IT policies' Technology: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/some-say-health-care-sites-problems-highlight-flawed-federal-it-policies/2013/10/09/d558da42-30fe-11e3-8627-c5d7de0a046b_story.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Well, I thought fer sure you'd say that Rama was a con man and a fake and had sexual relations with his students, like you said about MMY. Maybe you've changed your mind about that. It looks like you've changed your mind about the bun-hopping-levitation too. From what I've read, Rama left several million dollars, most of that given to him by his students to support his extravagant lifestyle. Barry probably gave Rama over $10,000 to be able to go see a movie with Rama. So, I wonder what that has taught Barry about giving money to people for spiritual instruction. What happened to all the money? So, how much does it cost to fly Rama over to Paris and put him up in a four-star hotel for a few days? Barry's part of the donation probably cost him close to $5,000. That's a lot of money to just spend just to be able be with your teacher at Disneyland. Go figure. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: I changed my day so I could delve into what you had written - I have gone through a lot of it and it answers most of my questions. Mainly I wanted to know if you thought Rama was legit in the beginning and if you witnessed any of the power or sidhi demonstrations he did. Obviously yes to both. I had a hard time reading much of it because I began to feel a great deal of energy as soon as I started reading, I mean LOTS of energy. So I am taking the reading in stages. Read a little. Sweep my floors a little, clean the bathrooms, come down off the energy a little and read a little more. Two minor questions I have are: Did you know this guy? Mark Laxer Have you ever read his book Take Me for a Ride: Coming of Age in a Destructive Cult Paperback? If so is it accurate? That's all - back to the energy now and thanks for talking and thanks for writing about Rama and all the other things you wrote about. On Thu, 1/16/14, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 4:02 PM Thanks Barry - I am gonna read what you have written and if I have any questions after that, I'll send 'em. Got a busy day today, but I intend to start reading it later tonight. On Thu, 1/16/14, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 8:21 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I would like to have a conversation with you about your time with Rama if you are willing. I am more than happy to do it privately if you like cause I know some on here are going to revile you no matter what you say. So can we talk? I don't mind, as long as you understand a few things at the outset. First, I rarely even think about the dude any more, except when something triggers a memory, as something you said in one of your posts did yesterday. Second, I don't waste my time either condemning or defending him -- he was what he was, and I don't much care what anyone thinks about him. Third, however, and as you say, if we do it here you can expect a lot of piling on from stalkers here. They'll do it for various reasons. Some will start piling on when they hear tales of thousands of his students witnessing siddhis they've *still* only read about, after 30 years of pursuing them and after paying thousands of dollars to supposedly learn them. Some will pile on because they don't like me, and they mistakenly believe that if they diss a former teacher I still have some positive feelings about, it'll push my hot buttons the same way me saying things about MMY pushes theirs, and thus I'll react and get into one of the Robin-like confrontations with them they so hope for. That's not gonna happen, so we might as well do it here. :-) But I'll warn you ahead of time that my attention span for things Rama-related is pretty damned short these days, so if you have questions, make the first few count, because at some point I'll get tired of the whole thing and bail. :-) That said, ask anything you want, and I'll do my best to answer your questions as honestly as I wrote Road Trip Mind. That would be a good place to start if you are actually curious about the dude. I wrote it to get the Rama-monkey off my back, and it worked. I don't actually have a great deal more to say about the guy than I said in that book. http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/index.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Turq, How did it go in the Rama group in the longer Aftermath of Rama doing himself in? Proly lots of immediate shock and trauma but there was existent a form of organization before he died and is there any vestige of a group afterward? Before he died there were some who spoke for the group of Rama as to his teachings and and running the group. Did any of them come forward afterward with the teachings or an organization in some form? Succession was not planned for or necessarily indicated? Anybody go forward with it anyway in some form? Where did any of the key spiritual insiders tend to end up? Gravitate to be with whom? How did it transpire for the followers and some of the tru-believers in particular? I am just wondering by comparison. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Economy ‘Success without Stress’
Yes, Spiritual Economy; this is extremely sound shastra to meditate and live by in life: —Are Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade. Are they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care extended to them? The Fairfield Meditating Community “Based on balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit of the community.” [-Brook Farm] Obviously one has to agree that Stress is the black plague of the 21st century, and the main culprit behind the high levels of stress around the world today is capitalism and competition. TM will make living with that dreadful economic system somewhat bearable but like communism it will have to go.
[FairfieldLife] The future of Osamacare in a revealing report
Hail Chanukistan! Tens of thousands fled socialized Canadian medicine in 2013 http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/16/report-tens-of-thousands-fled-socialized-canadian-medicine-in-2013/ http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/16/report-tens-of-thousands-fled-socialized-canadian-medicine-in-2013/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Turq, How did it go in the Rama group in the longer Aftermath of Rama doing himself in? I honestly don't know, except for the few people I remained in contact with, primarily over the Internet. For some of them, even though I knew they shared my doubts about the whole thing, the Don't you dare say anything negative about a previous spiritual teacher or Don't say anything bad about somebody who is...uh...dead thang kicked in, and they just swung back into line parroting the dogma. For some it seemed to be truly devastating, in the same way that MMY's death probably was for TBs who had wrapped their whole lives around him. For others, it seemed to be an event that set them free, and enabled them to look further for their satisfactions in life, be they material or spiritual. Before he died, they were pretty much tied by the cult mindset into believing that he was the only possible source of such satisfactions. In other words, different strokes for different folks. Proly lots of immediate shock and trauma but there was existent a form of organization before he died and is there any vestige of a group afterward? As far as I can tell, being as far away from it as I am, there is. There are a few hardcore TBs who still like to pretend that they are Rama's tradition, even though he clearly didn't intend to leave one. I have never had anything to do with them, other than to attend one event they staged in Phoenix that I wrote about in the last story of Road Trip Mind. It was fun, but not the kind of fun I felt like hanging around. Before he died there were some who spoke for the group of Rama as to his teachings and and running the group. Did any of them come forward afterward with the teachings or an organization in some form? Succession was not planned for or necessarily indicated? Anybody go forward with it anyway in some form? Where did any of the key spiritual insiders tend to end up? Gravitate to be with whom? How did it transpire for the followers and some of the tru-believers in particular? I am just wondering by comparison. All good questions. I'll answer as best I can, *not* being part of it all, and thus having picked up only what I've picked up from afar, over the Net. He left *NO* successors. He left *NO* successor organization, except a foundation to distribute the wealth he had accumulated to further the study of what he called American Buddhism. They have -- to their credit -- spread this money around to a number of well-meaning and in many cases well-acting organizations to help do just that. There are a few people who have set up shop as spiritual teacher furthering his tradition. I know them all, and recommend none of them. I went out of my way to not be placed into the position of speaking for Rama, and I personally think his tradition would be better served if more had done so. Some -- who IMO had become dependent on always having a guru or teacher available to lead them -- felt his absence strongly, and flocked to other teachers. Not surprisingly, some flocked to people I considered charlatans, because IMO *their* charlatan energy was similar to Rama's (Sathya Sai Baba and Adi Da, for example). Some were IMO wiser, and went for more traditional Tibetan teachers who I occasionally met and respected, just never felt any pull to study with. Me, I just went my own Way. In other words, it probably went similarly to what happened after MMY kicked the bucket, except that he didn't kick the bucket out from underneath himself. :-) It's always *amazing* to me to see how many of the ones who tried to continue on teaching in Rama's name don't even *mention* his suicide on their websites, or if they do, use the hideous euphemism his Mahasamadhi. Give me a fuckin' break. Guy croaked himself. I'm *sure* he felt he had reasons for doing so. Anyone with as established a history of NPD as Rama had could have easily come up with such reasons. But still, he had a choice, and in my opinion he made a bad one, heavily influenced by a drug called Valium that he foolishly tried to kick his dependence on cold turkey, even though it says right on the label never to do this, *because of the risk of suicide*. At this point, I really am not the person you should ask as to whether there is much of a lingering tradition in his name. I'm sure there is, but I'm SO not part of it. Even if I wanted to be, I doubt I'd be allowed to be, because Road Trip Mind was not exactly what those who run such a tradition consider the party line. I was -- and am still -- considered somewhat of a pariah and an apostate for having written it the way that I did. Go figure. All I was trying to do was be honest.
[FairfieldLife] RE: The future of Osamacare in a revealing report
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Hail Chanukistan! Tens of thousands fled socialized Canadian medicine in 2013 http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/16/report-tens-of-thousands-fled-socialized-canadian-medicine-in-2013/ http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/16/report-tens-of-thousands-fled-socialized-canadian-medicine-in-2013/ Compare this to the US number: Medical tourism refers to traveling to another country for medical care. It's estimated that up to 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care each year. Many people who travel for care do so because treatment is much cheaper in another country. In addition, a large number of medical tourists are immigrants to the United States returning to their home country for care. The most common procedures that people undergo on medical tourism trips include cosmetic surgery, dentistry, and heart surgery.
[FairfieldLife] RE: If You Could Travel at the Speed of Light...
Traveling at the speed of light feels to me slightly oxymoronish, because at the speed of light there is no time!?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Sherlock: His Last Vow
WHOLOCK - Sherlock meets The Doctor! For any FFLifers who have encountered the Doctor Who series (both series share writers) some smart kid has put together a meeting between Sherlock and the Doctor for YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3bGYljQ5Uw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3bGYljQ5Uw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
It looks like you've changed your mind about the bun-hopping-levitation too. I have no idea why you would say that. I thought when I was doing them that the sutras were a mildly interesting practice, but not worth the time for the experiences I was having. I never one of those who thought TM and TMSP was something good to do even if you were not having pleasant experiences or at least useful experiences. levitation sutra was sometimes fun and exhilarating to practice and if I had had any sense I would have just done TM and gone straight into levitation sutra, but I was snookered into believing M was telling us the truth when he said you have to do all the OTHER sutras before you do the flying sutra. I think the amount of time is not worth the pay off (which is very little IMO) with TMSP and I have never believed group TMSP will create world peace or even lower crime rate. Ask all the people who have been raped, robbed or killed in Jefferson County there in Iowa. As to Barry's spending lots of money, if he had it and he enjoyed what he spent it on, why not? Hell, you can lay down 5K on a single yagya with the TMO with not nearly so much fun result as going to Disney. On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, From what I've read, Rama left several million dollars, most of that given to him by his students to support his extravagant lifestyle. Barry probably gave Rama over $10,000 to be able to go see a movie with Rama. So, I wonder what that has taught Barry about giving money to people for spiritual instruction. What happened to all the money? So, how much does it cost to fly Rama over to Paris and put him up in a four-star hotel for a few days? Barry's part of the donation probably cost him close to $5,000. That's a lot of money to just spend just to be able be with your teacher at Disneyland. Go figure. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: I changed my day so I could delve into what you had written - I have gone through a lot of it and it answers most of my questions. Mainly I wanted to know if you thought Rama was legit in the beginning and if you witnessed any of the power or sidhi demonstrations he did. Obviously yes to both. I had a hard time reading much of it because I began to feel a great deal of energy as soon as I started reading, I mean LOTS of energy. So I am taking the reading in stages. Read a little. Sweep my floors a little, clean the bathrooms, come down off the energy a little and read a little more. Two minor questions I have are: Did you know this guy? Mark Laxer Have you ever read his book Take Me for a Ride: Coming of Age in a Destructive Cult Paperback? If so is it accurate? That's all - back to the energy now and thanks for talking and thanks for writing about Rama and all the other things you wrote about. On Thu, 1/16/14, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 4:02 PM Thanks Barry - I am gonna read what you have written and if I have any questions after that, I'll send 'em. Got a busy day today, but I intend to start reading it later tonight. On Thu, 1/16/14, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 8:21 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I would like to have a conversation with you about your time with Rama if you are willing. I am more than happy to do it privately if you like cause I know some on here are going to revile you no matter what you say. So can we talk? I don't mind, as long as you understand a few things at the outset. First, I rarely even
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sherlock: His Last Vow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: WHOLOCK - Sherlock meets The Doctor! For any FFLifers who have encountered the Doctor Who series (both series share writers) some smart kid has put together a meeting between Sherlock and the Doctor for YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3bGYljQ5Uw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3bGYljQ5Uw Brilliant. And brilliantly rendered. This is what I was talking about earlier as jazz.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Bottom line for me is that all this has taught me the definition of enlightenment M gave out is flawed if not downright incorrect, and yes that includes the source material of the vedas which I feel was the pontifications of a bunch of guys roaming around in the forest who said Huh! This is my reality so I am going to tell everyone it THEIR reality too, and if they don't get on board with it, they are missing the boat. I feel the Universe has nearly infinite if not infinite experiences we can all have, and the so-called higher states of awareness or enlightened perception, including all the celestial perception stuff is just another experience among a plethora of experiences. I think that if one chooses one can create an experience, a persona that is real moral, always sativcc, always unperturbed, sort of like the historical Buddha was supposed to have been. But most of those who have higher states of consciousness cycle from those kinds of experiences into egoic focus that includes often enough the idea that since everything is a play of awareness, it doesn't make a tinker's damn what they do with and to people, cuz its just all consciousness playing around. No rules, no standard of conduct, these are the ones like Muktananda, Maharishi and Rama who go off the deep end of ego and screw things up. Absofuckinglutely.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Not having known or having had any experience with Rama, I can only go by his recorded history - he certainly was known to have acted out - he apparently abused and misused his position as teacher, he was a serial womanizer, and maybe took people to the cleaners - although some seemed to feel that their money was well spent with him, regardless of his enormities. I acknowledge his shortcomings, and the fact that some like Barry had some powerful experiences with him. I am having some degree of energy experience from reading Barry's account. I view Amma as a huckster, but I don't deny people have pleasant and powerful experiences with her. I view M as a huckster, but the one time I saw him in person, I had what stands today as one of the most powerful, amazing experiences of energy of my life. Same with other teachers like Muktananda - they could spark energy in other people, sometimes big time Energy, but they were or are ego-centered and screwed up in a lot of ways that lead to the people around them getting screwed in different ways. Chuck Anderson who was also known as Master Teacher of the Endeavor Academy falls into that category. Bottom line for me is that all this has taught me the definition of enlightenment M gave out is flawed if not downright incorrect, and yes that includes the source material of the vedas which I feel was the pontifications of a bunch of guys roaming around in the forest who said Huh! This is my reality so I am going to tell everyone it THEIR reality too, and if they don't get on board with it, they are missing the boat. I feel the Universe has nearly infinite if not infinite experiences we can all have, and the so-called higher states of awareness or enlightened perception, including all the celestial perception stuff is just another experience among a plethora of experiences. I think that if one chooses one can create an experience, a persona that is real moral, always sativcc, always unperturbed, sort of like the historical Buddha was supposed to have been. But most of those who have higher states of consciousness cycle from those kinds of experiences into egoic focus that includes often enough the idea that since everything is a play of awareness, it doesn't make a tinker's damn what they do with and to people, cuz its just all consciousness playing around. No rules, no standard of conduct, these are the ones like Muktananda, Maharishi and Rama who go off the deep end of ego and screw things up. I acknowledge the power, the depth of silence and vibrations of the infinite that course through these people and I acknowledge the screwed up behavior. For whatever reason there was a vibration of infinite energy that Rama tapped into and was an exponent of that communicated itself to Barry and I get to feel it through Barry's writing. I am enjoying it and we'll see where it leads, if anywhere. I would kinda like to think that having such an experience was what FFL was really created for to begin with. And that is what I think of that. On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 1:55 PM Well, I thought fer sure you'd say that Rama was a con man and a fake and had sexual relations with his students, like you said about MMY. Maybe you've changed your mind about that. It looks like you've changed your mind about the bun-hopping-levitation too. From what I've read, Rama left several million dollars, most of that given to him by his students to support his extravagant lifestyle. Barry probably gave Rama over $10,000 to be able to go see a movie with Rama. So, I wonder what that has taught Barry about giving money to people for spiritual instruction. What happened to all the money? So, how much does it cost to fly Rama over to Paris and put him up in a four-star hotel for a few days? Barry's part of the donation probably cost him close to $5,000. That's a lot of money to just spend just to be able be with your teacher at Disneyland. Go figure. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: I changed my day so I could delve into what you had written - I have gone through a lot of it and it answers most of my questions. Mainly I wanted to know if you thought Rama was legit in the beginning and if you witnessed any of the power or sidhi demonstrations he did. Obviously yes to both. I had a hard time reading much of it because I began to feel a great deal of energy as soon as I started reading, I mean LOTS of energy. So I am taking the reading in stages. Read a little. Sweep my floors a little, clean
[FairfieldLife] Girish Varma's judicial remand extended
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vedic University chancellor Girish Chandra Varma's judicial remand extended TNN | Jan 16, 2014, 12.28 PM IST BHOPAL: Court extended judicial remand of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vedic University chancellor Girish Chandra Varma on Wednesday till January 29. Court of additional chief judicial magistrate Varsha Sharma extended the judicial remand. Counsel for Varma, Vijay Choudhary, said, Judicial remand extended for January 29. Varma was arrested on December 29 on rape charge and was initially sent in police custody till January 1, thereafter he was sent to judicial custody till January 15. He was arrested by Mahila Thana police from his sprawling 10-acre ashram on Bhojpur Road in Bhopal following a complaint filed by the victim about 9 months ago. == Jailed for rape, he is ‘sham’ to his accusers, ‘celibate’ to his followers Express News Service | January 10, 2014 12:48 http://indianexpressonline.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/home-m.jpg Girish Chandra Varma and his ashram-cum-home on the outskirts of Bhopal. (Express Archive) It has been a habit with Girish Chandra Varma to ring in the new year by observing maun vrat for the first three days, apparently to purify himself and enhance spiritual awareness. This New Year’s Eve, too, he was preparing to retreat to his sprawling ashram-cum-residence on the outskirts of Bhopal with his family and attendants. He did not, however, get to keep his annual tryst with spirituality and silence there. The police took him away on the charge of repeatedly raping a teacher in his employ. Varma, 53, who sports a flowing beard and white robes, is a nephew of late Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, controls an empire, and commands a large following. He heads a chain of 145 schools called Maharishi Vidya Mandir, management and IT colleges and a Vedic university each in Jabalpur and Bilaspur. This is part of the legacy of the maharishi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation programme. After the maharishi’s death in 2008, his vast empire of educational and other institutions in India and abroad was shared among various members of the family. Varma and his followers insist he is celibate but the teacher’s husband says it is a sham. “Even the maun vrat was a sham for the consumption of the outside world. Inside the ashram he would talk to us,” says the husband, who too worked with Varma and who alleges the latter sexually exploited him, too. While he was in police custody, however, Varma did refuse to speak because of the maun vrat. Whenever he needed something, he would write the demand on a piece of paper, police sources say. He is now in judicial custody. Now 41, the woman who has accused him of exploitation was first employed as a teacher a decade ago in a school in Arera Colony before being transferred to a school in Ratanpur. She has alleged that Varma forced her into sex through the decade. She says she had kept quiet because he had filmed her in the nude at a group institution in Noida. The police, however, are yet to find any video footage or photographs. Her husband, 49, spent 27 years with the group’s institutions in various capacities, including that of Varma’s personal assistant. “My father had taught him music in a Jabalpur college and he was a family friend,” the husband says. He alleges Varma sexually exploited him on a trip to the Netherlands in 1992, but he won’t press the charge, because the case is old and he has no evidence. Varma, he alleges, would insist on taking his wife along and once took her by a chartered flight to Varanasi from Noida. The couple have two daughters, aged 16 and seven. The woman had approached the state commission for women in March last year but what led to Varma’s arrest last week was her threat to immolate herself. Varma’s followers and employees call him brahmachari (celibate) or bhaiyyaji. They accuse the couple of trying to blackmail the group because they were thrown out of service. The husband lost his job in 2012 and the wife lost hers after filing the complaint. “The group’s institutions employ nearly 5,000 women but no one else has levelled such allegations,” says V R Khare, a retired principal chief conservator of forests who has recently joined the group. “I am celibate. God is watching,” Varma said in court. “The woman is working at someone’s behest. My enemies are backing her. Allegations were levelled against me in the past too but like always I will emerge unscathed.” A judge refused him bail on the ground that he was likely to influence the probe. The clout he enjoys was on display during his time in police custody, when he was allowed various facilities. The husband alleges the police made him and his wife give statements on several occasions, hoping to find some inconsistencies that would eventually weaken the case against Varma. Nearly one lakh students study
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Really fine post, Michael, very thoughtful. Based on what I've read, I'm not sure enlightenment experiences are always a choice, at least not on a conscious level. I don't know how much you've read of what Robin posted here, but he may be a case in point. From his accounts, while he certainly wanted to become enlightened, when it happened it was completely unexpected and not at all under his control. And it lasted for more than 10 years. You write, But most of those who have 'higher states of consciousness' cycle from those kinds of experiences into egoic focus that includes often enough the idea that since everything is a play of awareness, it doesn't make a tinker's damn what they do with and to people, cuz its just all consciousness playing around. No rules, no standard of conduct... Robin's experience was that his actions were, as it were, dictated by cosmic forces, rather than that he could just do whatever he felt like. His experience was that he could not do other than what he did, even though at times there was some aspect of himself that didn't want to do what he was doing. So in his case it wasn't a matter of egoic focus in the usual sense, although that seems to have been what it looked like from the outside, especially toward the end of his cult-leader period. What's unusual about Robin is that after his group crashed and burned and he was disgraced, he realized something was very wrong with his enlightenment, and he set out to get himself back to normal consciousness. It took him 25 years of constant, grueling, agonizing effort. And he came to believe that enlightenment was a snare and a delusion, masterminded by forces inimical to the welfare of human beings. In his case, he believes, these forces took advantage of what he calls his secret infirmities, negative character traits, first to instigate his enlightenment, and then to bring him down. He never thought, and doesn't to this day, that Maharishi was a con man. He believes Maharishi was himself conned by these same forces. I'm struck by how closely your analysis tracks in many respects with Robin's. Not having known or having had any experience with Rama, I can only go by his recorded history - he certainly was known to have acted out - he apparently abused and misused his position as teacher, he was a serial womanizer, and maybe took people to the cleaners - although some seemed to feel that their money was well spent with him, regardless of his enormities. I acknowledge his shortcomings, and the fact that some like Barry had some powerful experiences with him. I am having some degree of energy experience from reading Barry's account. I view Amma as a huckster, but I don't deny people have pleasant and powerful experiences with her. I view M as a huckster, but the one time I saw him in person, I had what stands today as one of the most powerful, amazing experiences of energy of my life. Same with other teachers like Muktananda - they could spark energy in other people, sometimes big time Energy, but they were or are ego-centered and screwed up in a lot of ways that lead to the people around them getting screwed in different ways. Chuck Anderson who was also known as Master Teacher of the Endeavor Academy falls into that category. Bottom line for me is that all this has taught me the definition of enlightenment M gave out is flawed if not downright incorrect, and yes that includes the source material of the vedas which I feel was the pontifications of a bunch of guys roaming around in the forest who said Huh! This is my reality so I am going to tell everyone it THEIR reality too, and if they don't get on board with it, they are missing the boat. I feel the Universe has nearly infinite if not infinite experiences we can all have, and the so-called higher states of awareness or enlightened perception, including all the celestial perception stuff is just another experience among a plethora of experiences. I think that if one chooses one can create an experience, a persona that is real moral, always sativcc, always unperturbed, sort of like the historical Buddha was supposed to have been. But most of those who have higher states of consciousness cycle from those kinds of experiences into egoic focus that includes often enough the idea that since everything is a play of awareness, it doesn't make a tinker's damn what they do with and to people, cuz its just all consciousness playing around. No rules, no standard of conduct, these are the ones like Muktananda, Maharishi and Rama who go off the deep end of ego and screw things up. I acknowledge the power, the depth of silence and vibrations of the infinite that course through these people and I acknowledge the screwed up behavior. For whatever reason there was a vibration of infinite energy that Rama tapped into and was an exponent of that communicated itself to Barry and I get to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Michael wrote: I feel the Universe has nearly infinite if not infinite experiences we can all have, and the so-called higher states of awareness or enlightened perception, including all the celestial perception stuff is just another experience among a plethora of experiences. I agree. I also have a hard time finding greater or lesser validity of any particular experience over another. An experience experienced is just that - it is reality for that experiencer. And as we all know experience is ultimately subjective and particular to each person. How to understand or interpret, let alone judge or put some value on someone else's reality/experience is, for me, an exercise in futility. I do, however, believe in personal growth and the reality of the possibility for the expansion of awareness and the development of sensibility in different human beings in different phases of their life or lives. I think that if one chooses one can create an experience, a persona that is real moral, always sativcc, always unperturbed, sort of like the historical Buddha was supposed to have been. But most of those who have higher states of consciousness cycle from those kinds of experiences into egoic focus that includes often enough the idea that since everything is a play of awareness, it doesn't make a tinker's damn what they do with and to people, cuz its just all consciousness playing around. No rules, no standard of conduct, these are the ones like Muktananda, Maharishi and Rama who go off the deep end of ego and screw things up. I also think that many people who are under the assumption that a sort of higher state of consciousness can or does exist in gurus or teachers and are therefore responsible for giving these people free licence to do as they please and to support them in this, often to the detriment of everyone involved. I have yet to see anyone free of ego and I don't think of ego as something terrible. Like many characteristics, it can become distorted, unbalanced but in and of itself ego is neither good or bad. Just as ambition or empathy or passion is not inherently, ultimately good or bad. How it manifests can make the difference between something becoming positive, negative or simply remaining benign. It's complex, of course. I guess my point here is that it takes enablers to allow certain individuals to spiral out of control. When you put someone on some sort of pedestal it can really screw them up, whether they are holy men or holy women or the Justin Biebers and Miley Cyrus' of the world. Feed the ego like you would force feed a goose to fatten up the liver and sooner or later you create something that is unwell.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The future of Osamacare in a revealing report
Flee to where? Certainly not to the price gouging US medical system. Where did they go and why did they let themselves get so sick in the first place? Or maybe they just wanted to flee to a libertarian paradise like... Somalia. On 01/17/2014 06:41 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Hail Chanukistan! /Tens of thousands fled socialized Canadian medicine in 2013/ // http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/16/report-tens-of-thousands-fled-socialized-canadian-medicine-in-2013/
[FairfieldLife] RE: The future of Osamacare in a revealing report
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Flee to where? Certainly not to the price gouging US medical system. Where did they go and why did they let themselves get so sick in the first place? Or maybe they just wanted to flee to a libertarian paradise like... Somalia. Often it is to India. Hip replacements are a big one and India has some experts in hip resurfacing as opposed to total replacement. On 01/17/2014 06:41 AM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote: Hail Chanukistan! Tens of thousands fled socialized Canadian medicine in 2013 http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/16/report-tens-of-thousands-fled-socialized-canadian-medicine-in-2013/ http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/16/report-tens-of-thousands-fled-socialized-canadian-medicine-in-2013/
[FairfieldLife] The latest from Russell
Gotta keep up with TM'er Russell Brand these days. Here's his recent college appearance. Gotta say I agree with him. Actor Russell Brand told college students that drastic measures were needed to seize power from the corporate and political elites. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/16/russell-brand-rules-out-little-like-voting-he-wants-revolution-bkkake/
[FairfieldLife] Fun and games in the Golden State
Jerry is now asking us to ration water. Remember we are the nation's bread basket so what happens in California doesn't stay in California. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-declares-drought-emergency-asks-5152625.php I may be on a business trip next month to Brazil. Maybe I'll check out real estate while there. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] This is just all wrong
I guess we all missed the Scamming 101 classes in college? When did they start teaching them? Think about what FFL could look like if they spent the money on Yahoo Groups than paying this scamster off. http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million Once again no human being so good that they deserve such compensation. Business is nothing but a poker game.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Sherlock: His Last Vow
There's a link at the end of the Wholock video to another clip showing how he (?) combined the elements and masked out unwanted material. The possibilities are endless. We're used to sampling in music but given all the film footage now available at a mouse click you could combine clips from assorted classic films noir (say) to produce your very own all-star thriller.
[FairfieldLife] RE: If You Could Travel at the Speed of Light...
Carde, You're correct in saying that time stops when you travel at the speed of light. So, the traveler would experience the trip to be instantaneious when he or she arrives at the destination.
Re: [FairfieldLife] This is just all wrong
I agree, noozguru. Why does one human being need that much money anyway?! Something about it feels very unbalanced and unhealthy. On Friday, January 17, 2014 11:43 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I guess we all missed the Scamming 101 classes in college? When did they start teaching them? Think about what FFL could look like if they spent the money on Yahoo Groups than paying this scamster off. http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million Once again no human being so good that they deserve such compensation. Business is nothing but a poker game.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fun and games in the Golden State
noozguru, counties in 11 states were declared disaster areas because of drought conditions. Most were in the west, a few in the midwest. On Friday, January 17, 2014 11:40 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Jerry is now asking us to ration water. Remember we are the nation's bread basket so what happens in California doesn't stay in California. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-declares-drought-emergency-asks-5152625.php I may be on a business trip next month to Brazil. Maybe I'll check out real estate while there. ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Michael Jackson wrote: Bottom line for me is that all this has taught me the definition of enlightenment M gave out is flawed if not downright incorrect, and yes that includes the source material of the vedas which I feel was the pontifications of a bunch of guys roaming around in the forest who said Huh! This is my reality so I am going to tell everyone it THEIR reality too, and if they don't get on board with it, they are missing the boat. Well, it's settled then - the Hindus and the Tibetans were all incorrect. MMY and the Rama guy were charlatans and frauds. But what does this tell us about their followers - the ones that enabled them, worked for them, and spread the snake-oils sales pitch for years and years? It just doesn't make any sense that you two could be that wrong for so long, and be so certain about everything now. Go figure. On 1/17/2014 9:34 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Not having known or having had any experience with Rama, I can only go by his recorded history - he certainly was known to have acted out - he apparently abused and misused his position as teacher, he was a serial womanizer, and maybe took people to the cleaners - although some seemed to feel that their money was well spent with him, regardless of his enormities. I acknowledge his shortcomings, and the fact that some like Barry had some powerful experiences with him. I am having some degree of energy experience from reading Barry's account. I view Amma as a huckster, but I don't deny people have pleasant and powerful experiences with her. I view M as a huckster, but the one time I saw him in person, I had what stands today as one of the most powerful, amazing experiences of energy of my life. Same with other teachers like Muktananda - they could spark energy in other people, sometimes big time Energy, but they were or are ego-centered and screwed up in a lot of ways that lead to the people around them getting screwed in different ways. Chuck Anderson who was also known as Master Teacher of the Endeavor Academy falls into that category. Bottom line for me is that all this has taught me the definition of enlightenment M gave out is flawed if not downright incorrect, and yes that includes the source material of the vedas which I feel was the pontifications of a bunch of guys roaming around in the forest who said Huh! This is my reality so I am going to tell everyone it THEIR reality too, and if they don't get on board with it, they are missing the boat. I feel the Universe has nearly infinite if not infinite experiences we can all have, and the so-called higher states of awareness or enlightened perception, including all the celestial perception stuff is just another experience among a plethora of experiences. I think that if one chooses one can create an experience, a persona that is real moral, always sativcc, always unperturbed, sort of like the historical Buddha was supposed to have been. But most of those who have higher states of consciousness cycle from those kinds of experiences into egoic focus that includes often enough the idea that since everything is a play of awareness, it doesn't make a tinker's damn what they do with and to people, cuz its just all consciousness playing around. No rules, no standard of conduct, these are the ones like Muktananda, Maharishi and Rama who go off the deep end of ego and screw things up. I acknowledge the power, the depth of silence and vibrations of the infinite that course through these people and I acknowledge the screwed up behavior. For whatever reason there was a vibration of infinite energy that Rama tapped into and was an exponent of that communicated itself to Barry and I get to feel it through Barry's writing. I am enjoying it and we'll see where it leads, if anywhere. I would kinda like to think that having such an experience was what FFL was really created for to begin with. And that is what I think of that. On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 1:55 PM Well, I thought fer sure you'd say that Rama was a con man and a fake and had sexual relations with his students, like you said about MMY. Maybe you've changed your mind about that. It looks like you've changed your mind about the bun-hopping-levitation too. From what I've read, Rama left several million dollars, most of that given to him by his students to support his extravagant lifestyle. Barry probably gave Rama over $10,000 to be able to go see a movie with Rama. So, I wonder what that has taught Barry about giving money to people for spiritual instruction. What happened to all the money? So, how much does it cost to fly Rama over to Paris and put him up in a four-star hotel for a few days? Barry's part of the donation
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If You Could Travel at the Speed of Light...
Share, You should take a few weeks and take a vacation in San Diego to get away from the snow. You should stay in La Jolla to bask in the sun and breathe the ocean air. I used to work in a building overlooking the beach over there. It was fun watching the hang-gliders pass by the office window.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
On 1/17/2014 9:46 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: It looks like you've changed your mind about the bun-hopping-levitation too. I have no idea why you would say that. Well, it's settled then - humans can fly and levitate; we have several eye-witnesses on the forum who can testify to this. So, I wonder why Barry was making fun of MMY and the bun-hopping? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Fun and games in the Golden State
Bhairitu, Jerry Brown is doing what he's supposed to do. while we're enjoying the sunny days during this winter, the mountains in the Sierra Nevada are not getting the snow needed to replenish the water supply for California. But nature has its own ways. We'll probably get a lot of rain soon.
[FairfieldLife] True Detective
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
On 1/17/2014 9:34 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I view Amma as a huckster, but I don't deny people have pleasant and powerful experiences with her. I view M as a huckster, but the one time I saw him in person, I had what stands today as one of the most powerful, amazing experiences of energy of my life. So, it's settled then - Amma and MMY are both hucksters that cause amazing experiences of energy in people's lives.
[FairfieldLife] RE: This is just all wrong
How are you defining scam? He may not deserve the compensation, but he's entitled to it per his hiring agreement with Yahoo. Yahoo offered him the gig; he didn't twist their arms to get it, let alone do anything unethical. If Mayer wanted to tempt him to leave Google that badly, and he turned out not to be capable of doing what she envisioned, that's her poor judgment, not a scam on his part. And it may not be as much as $109 million. That's the most he would get, assuming he was fired without cause, and if he met all his performance targets, both of which are yet to be determined. Yes, whatever he gets will be obscene, but it's not fair to accuse him of wrongdoing. I guess we all missed the Scamming 101 classes in college? When did they start teaching them? Think about what FFL could look like if they spent the money on Yahoo Groups than paying this scamster off. http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million Once again no human being so good that they deserve such compensation. Business is nothing but a poker game.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: This is just all wrong
Picky, picky. You get what I mean. Beside where was the Yahoo Board of Directors when they granted such compensation? What about the stockholders? Judy, you should damn well know this is an old boys and girls club. My point is NOBODY is worth such compensation. NOBODY is that good. NOBODY is that special. And there are certainly execs who have been granted even more. We are back to some medieval style times of landed gentry. Fuck the landed gentry. On 01/17/2014 10:39 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: How are you defining scam? He may not deserve the compensation, but he's entitled to it per his hiring agreement with Yahoo. Yahoo offered him the gig; he didn't twist their arms to get it, let alone do anything unethical. If Mayer wanted to tempt him to leave Google that badly, and he turned out not to be capable of doing what she envisioned, that's her poor judgment, not a scam on his part. And it may not be as much as $109 million. That's the /most/ he would get, assuming he was fired without cause, and if he met all his performance targets, both of which are yet to be determined. Yes, whatever he gets will be obscene, but it's not fair to accuse him of wrongdoing. I guess we all missed the Scamming 101 classes in college? When did they start teaching them? Think about what FFL could look like if they spent the money on Yahoo Groups than paying this scamster off. http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million Once again no human being so good that they deserve such compensation. Business is nothing but a poker game.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fun and games in the Golden State
We'll probably get a lot of rain soon. I've been saying that all along. Let's hope we do get the usual delayed rain that fills the reservoirs. Let's also hope those rain clouds don't pick up the radiation traveling across the Pacific. It was 30 degrees this morning and will be in the 70s this afternoon. In other news, half the local police department went screaming by my house at 10 AM (and they kinda have to go out of their way to do that). Don't know what that was about. Maybe they were after a texting driver. Sad we don't have local radio stations anymore with up to the minute news and the local police have blocked their broadcasts from the Internet app. On 01/17/2014 10:03 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Bhairitu, Jerry Brown is doing what he's supposed to do. while we're enjoying the sunny days during this winter, the mountains in the Sierra Nevada are not getting the snow needed to replenish the water supply for California. But nature has its own ways. We'll probably get a lot of rain soon.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: This is just all wrong
Yada yada yada. Yes, I know all that. I said what he was going to be paid was obscene, for pete's sake. But you called the dude a scamster as if he had somehow managed to defraud Yahoo, which is not the case. Marissa Mayer flubbed another dub when she hired him and then had to fire him after only 15 months. It was her poor judgment as to his capabilities that cost Yahoo such a ridiculous sum. Picky, picky. You get what I mean. Beside where was the Yahoo Board of Directors when they granted such compensation? What about the stockholders? Judy, you should damn well know this is an old boys and girls club. My point is NOBODY is worth such compensation. NOBODY is that good. NOBODY is that special. And there are certainly execs who have been granted even more. We are back to some medieval style times of landed gentry. Fuck the landed gentry. On 01/17/2014 10:39 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: How are you defining scam? He may not deserve the compensation, but he's entitled to it per his hiring agreement with Yahoo. Yahoo offered him the gig; he didn't twist their arms to get it, let alone do anything unethical. If Mayer wanted to tempt him to leave Google that badly, and he turned out not to be capable of doing what she envisioned, that's her poor judgment, not a scam on his part. And it may not be as much as $109 million. That's the most he would get, assuming he was fired without cause, and if he met all his performance targets, both of which are yet to be determined. Yes, whatever he gets will be obscene, but it's not fair to accuse him of wrongdoing. I guess we all missed the Scamming 101 classes in college? When did they start teaching them? Think about what FFL could look like if they spent the money on Yahoo Groups than paying this scamster off. http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million Once again no human being so good that they deserve such compensation. Business is nothing but a poker game.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: This is just all wrong
I thought you worked in corporate America? I would think you know the kind of people I'm talking about? They are an elitist crowd who think little of screwing the public. I've rubbed elbows with them so this is no idle speculation. At the company I worked at the CEO brought in a college buddy of his for a senior level position but the guy didn't know shit about what he was doing. This happens all the time in corporate America. No, I am using scamster in a very broad way and you are just using it an very narrow way. On 01/17/2014 11:53 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Yada yada yada. Yes, I know all that. I said what he was going to be paid was obscene, for pete's sake. But you called the dude a scamster as if he had somehow managed to defraud Yahoo, which is not the case. Marissa Mayer flubbed another dub when she hired him and then had to fire him after only 15 months. It was her poor judgment as to his capabilities that cost Yahoo such a ridiculous sum. Picky, picky. You get what I mean. Beside where was the Yahoo Board of Directors when they granted such compensation? What about the stockholders? Judy, you should damn well know this is an old boys and girls club. My point is NOBODY is worth such compensation. NOBODY is that good. NOBODY is that special. And there are certainly execs who have been granted even more. We are back to some medieval style times of landed gentry. Fuck the landed gentry. On 01/17/2014 10:39 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: How are you defining scam? He may not deserve the compensation, but he's entitled to it per his hiring agreement with Yahoo. Yahoo offered him the gig; he didn't twist their arms to get it, let alone do anything unethical. If Mayer wanted to tempt him to leave Google that badly, and he turned out not to be capable of doing what she envisioned, that's her poor judgment, not a scam on his part. And it may not be as much as $109 million. That's the /most/ he would get, assuming he was fired without cause, and if he met all his performance targets, both of which are yet to be determined. Yes, whatever he gets will be obscene, but it's not fair to accuse him of wrongdoing. I guess we all missed the Scamming 101 classes in college? When did they start teaching them? Think about what FFL could look like if they spent the money on Yahoo Groups than paying this scamster off. http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million Once again no human being so good that they deserve such compensation. Business is nothing but a poker game.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: This is just all wrong
More yada, yada, yada. The only thing I disagree with you about is the appropriateness of the term scamster for the guy Mayer fired. Stop trying to create faux conflict here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: I thought you worked in corporate America? I would think you know the kind of people I'm talking about? They are an elitist crowd who think little of screwing the public. I've rubbed elbows with them so this is no idle speculation. At the company I worked at the CEO brought in a college buddy of his for a senior level position but the guy didn't know shit about what he was doing. This happens all the time in corporate America. No, I am using scamster in a very broad way and you are just using it an very narrow way. On 01/17/2014 11:53 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Yada yada yada. Yes, I know all that. I said what he was going to be paid was obscene, for pete's sake. But you called the dude a scamster as if he had somehow managed to defraud Yahoo, which is not the case. Marissa Mayer flubbed another dub when she hired him and then had to fire him after only 15 months. It was her poor judgment as to his capabilities that cost Yahoo such a ridiculous sum. Picky, picky. You get what I mean. Beside where was the Yahoo Board of Directors when they granted such compensation? What about the stockholders? Judy, you should damn well know this is an old boys and girls club. My point is NOBODY is worth such compensation. NOBODY is that good. NOBODY is that special. And there are certainly execs who have been granted even more. We are back to some medieval style times of landed gentry. Fuck the landed gentry. On 01/17/2014 10:39 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: How are you defining scam? He may not deserve the compensation, but he's entitled to it per his hiring agreement with Yahoo. Yahoo offered him the gig; he didn't twist their arms to get it, let alone do anything unethical. If Mayer wanted to tempt him to leave Google that badly, and he turned out not to be capable of doing what she envisioned, that's her poor judgment, not a scam on his part. And it may not be as much as $109 million. That's the most he would get, assuming he was fired without cause, and if he met all his performance targets, both of which are yet to be determined. Yes, whatever he gets will be obscene, but it's not fair to accuse him of wrongdoing. I guess we all missed the Scamming 101 classes in college? When did they start teaching them? Think about what FFL could look like if they spent the money on Yahoo Groups than paying this scamster off. http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million Once again no human being so good that they deserve such compensation. Business is nothing but a poker game.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: This is just all wrong
P.S.: I worked for corporate America (i.e., an ad agency) for a few years decades ago. Then I quit to become a freelance editor, which I've been ever since.. More yada, yada, yada. The only thing I disagree with you about is the appropriateness of the term scamster for the guy Mayer fired. Stop trying to create faux conflict here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: I thought you worked in corporate America? I would think you know the kind of people I'm talking about? They are an elitist crowd who think little of screwing the public. I've rubbed elbows with them so this is no idle speculation. At the company I worked at the CEO brought in a college buddy of his for a senior level position but the guy didn't know shit about what he was doing. This happens all the time in corporate America. No, I am using scamster in a very broad way and you are just using it an very narrow way. On 01/17/2014 11:53 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Yada yada yada. Yes, I know all that. I said what he was going to be paid was obscene, for pete's sake. But you called the dude a scamster as if he had somehow managed to defraud Yahoo, which is not the case. Marissa Mayer flubbed another dub when she hired him and then had to fire him after only 15 months. It was her poor judgment as to his capabilities that cost Yahoo such a ridiculous sum. Picky, picky. You get what I mean. Beside where was the Yahoo Board of Directors when they granted such compensation? What about the stockholders? Judy, you should damn well know this is an old boys and girls club. My point is NOBODY is worth such compensation. NOBODY is that good. NOBODY is that special. And there are certainly execs who have been granted even more. We are back to some medieval style times of landed gentry. Fuck the landed gentry. On 01/17/2014 10:39 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: How are you defining scam? He may not deserve the compensation, but he's entitled to it per his hiring agreement with Yahoo. Yahoo offered him the gig; he didn't twist their arms to get it, let alone do anything unethical. If Mayer wanted to tempt him to leave Google that badly, and he turned out not to be capable of doing what she envisioned, that's her poor judgment, not a scam on his part. And it may not be as much as $109 million. That's the most he would get, assuming he was fired without cause, and if he met all his performance targets, both of which are yet to be determined. Yes, whatever he gets will be obscene, but it's not fair to accuse him of wrongdoing. I guess we all missed the Scamming 101 classes in college? When did they start teaching them? Think about what FFL could look like if they spent the money on Yahoo Groups than paying this scamster off. http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million Once again no human being so good that they deserve such compensation. Business is nothing but a poker game.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Girish Varma's judicial remand extended
Two responses from me Goddamn look at the size of that house! and A judge refused him bail on the ground that he was likely to influence the probe Smart judge. On Fri, 1/17/14, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Girish Varma's judicial remand extended To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:08 PM Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vedic University chancellor Girish Chandra Varma's judicial remand extendedTNN | Jan 16, 2014, 12.28 PM IST BHOPAL: Court extended judicial remand of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vedic University chancellor Girish Chandra Varma on Wednesday till January 29. Court of additional chief judicial magistrate Varsha Sharma extended the judicial remand. Counsel for Varma, Vijay Choudhary, said, Judicial remand extended for January 29. Varma was arrested on December 29 on rape charge and was initially sent in police custody till January 1, thereafter he was sent to judicial custody till January 15. He was arrested by Mahila Thana police from his sprawling 10-acre ashram on Bhojpur Road in Bhopal following a complaint filed by the victim about 9 months ago.== Jailed for rape, he is ‘sham’ to his accusers, ‘celibate’ to his followersExpress News Service | January 10, 2014 12:48 Girish Chandra Varma and his ashram-cum-home on the outskirts of Bhopal. (Express Archive) It has been a habit with Girish Chandra Varma to ring in the new year by observing maun vrat for the first three days, apparently to purify himself and enhance spiritual awareness. This New Year’s Eve, too, he was preparing to retreat to his sprawling ashram-cum-residence on the outskirts of Bhopal with his family and attendants. He did not, however, get to keep his annual tryst with spirituality and silence there. The police took him away on the charge of repeatedly raping a teacher in his employ.Varma, 53, who sports a flowing beard and white robes, is a nephew of late Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, controls an empire, and commands a large following. He heads a chain of 145 schools called Maharishi Vidya Mandir, management and IT colleges and a Vedic university each in Jabalpur and Bilaspur. This is part of the legacy of the maharishi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation programme. After the maharishi’s death in 2008, his vast empire of educational and other institutions in India and abroad was shared among various members of the family.Varma and his followers insist he is celibate but the teacher’s husband says it is a sham. “Even the maun vrat was a sham for the consumption of the outside world. Inside the ashram he would talk to us,” says the husband, who too worked with Varma and who alleges the latter sexually exploited him, too.While he was in police custody, however, Varma did refuse to speak because of the maun vrat. Whenever he needed something, he would write the demand on a piece of paper, police sources say. He is now in judicial custody.Now 41, the woman who has accused him of exploitation was first employed as a teacher a decade ago in a school in Arera Colony before being transferred to a school in Ratanpur. She has alleged that Varma forced her into sex through the decade. She says she had kept quiet because he had filmed her in the nude at a group institution in Noida. The police, however, are yet to find any video footage or photographs.Her husband, 49, spent 27 years with the group’s institutions in various capacities, including that of Varma’s personal assistant. “My father had taught him music in a Jabalpur college and he was a family friend,” the husband says.He alleges Varma sexually exploited him on a trip to the Netherlands in 1992, but he won’t press the charge, because the case is old and he has no evidence. Varma, he alleges, would insist on taking his wife along and once took her by a chartered flight to Varanasi from Noida.The couple have two daughters, aged 16 and seven.The woman had approached the state commission for women in March last year but what led to Varma’s arrest last week was her threat to immolate herself.Varma’s followers and employees call him brahmachari (celibate) or bhaiyyaji. They accuse the couple of trying to blackmail the group because they were thrown out of service. The husband lost his job in 2012 and the wife lost hers after filing the complaint.“The group’s institutions employ nearly 5,000 women but no one else has levelled such allegations,” says V R Khare, a retired principal chief conservator of forests who has recently joined the group.“I am celibate. God is watching,” Varma said in court. “The woman is working at someone’s behest. My enemies are backing her. Allegations were levelled against me in the past too but like always I will emerge unscathed.”A
Re: [FairfieldLife] Girish Varma's judicial remand extended
Two responses from me Goddamn look at the size of that house! and A judge refused him bail on the ground that he was likely to influence the probe Smart judge. On Fri, 1/17/14, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Girish Varma's judicial remand extended To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:08 PM Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vedic University chancellor Girish Chandra Varma's judicial remand extendedTNN | Jan 16, 2014, 12.28 PM IST BHOPAL: Court extended judicial remand of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vedic University chancellor Girish Chandra Varma on Wednesday till January 29. Court of additional chief judicial magistrate Varsha Sharma extended the judicial remand. Counsel for Varma, Vijay Choudhary, said, Judicial remand extended for January 29. Varma was arrested on December 29 on rape charge and was initially sent in police custody till January 1, thereafter he was sent to judicial custody till January 15. He was arrested by Mahila Thana police from his sprawling 10-acre ashram on Bhojpur Road in Bhopal following a complaint filed by the victim about 9 months ago.== Jailed for rape, he is ‘sham’ to his accusers, ‘celibate’ to his followersExpress News Service | January 10, 2014 12:48 Girish Chandra Varma and his ashram-cum-home on the outskirts of Bhopal. (Express Archive) It has been a habit with Girish Chandra Varma to ring in the new year by observing maun vrat for the first three days, apparently to purify himself and enhance spiritual awareness. This New Year’s Eve, too, he was preparing to retreat to his sprawling ashram-cum-residence on the outskirts of Bhopal with his family and attendants. He did not, however, get to keep his annual tryst with spirituality and silence there. The police took him away on the charge of repeatedly raping a teacher in his employ.Varma, 53, who sports a flowing beard and white robes, is a nephew of late Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, controls an empire, and commands a large following. He heads a chain of 145 schools called Maharishi Vidya Mandir, management and IT colleges and a Vedic university each in Jabalpur and Bilaspur. This is part of the legacy of the maharishi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation programme. After the maharishi’s death in 2008, his vast empire of educational and other institutions in India and abroad was shared among various members of the family.Varma and his followers insist he is celibate but the teacher’s husband says it is a sham. “Even the maun vrat was a sham for the consumption of the outside world. Inside the ashram he would talk to us,” says the husband, who too worked with Varma and who alleges the latter sexually exploited him, too.While he was in police custody, however, Varma did refuse to speak because of the maun vrat. Whenever he needed something, he would write the demand on a piece of paper, police sources say. He is now in judicial custody.Now 41, the woman who has accused him of exploitation was first employed as a teacher a decade ago in a school in Arera Colony before being transferred to a school in Ratanpur. She has alleged that Varma forced her into sex through the decade. She says she had kept quiet because he had filmed her in the nude at a group institution in Noida. The police, however, are yet to find any video footage or photographs.Her husband, 49, spent 27 years with the group’s institutions in various capacities, including that of Varma’s personal assistant. “My father had taught him music in a Jabalpur college and he was a family friend,” the husband says.He alleges Varma sexually exploited him on a trip to the Netherlands in 1992, but he won’t press the charge, because the case is old and he has no evidence. Varma, he alleges, would insist on taking his wife along and once took her by a chartered flight to Varanasi from Noida.The couple have two daughters, aged 16 and seven.The woman had approached the state commission for women in March last year but what led to Varma’s arrest last week was her threat to immolate herself.Varma’s followers and employees call him brahmachari (celibate) or bhaiyyaji. They accuse the couple of trying to blackmail the group because they were thrown out of service. The husband lost his job in 2012 and the wife lost hers after filing the complaint.“The group’s institutions employ nearly 5,000 women but no one else has levelled such allegations,” says V R Khare, a retired principal chief conservator of forests who has recently joined the group.“I am celibate. God is watching,” Varma said in court. “The woman is working at someone’s behest. My enemies are backing her. Allegations were levelled against me in the past too but like always I will emerge unscathed.”A
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
I must say I agree with everything you said. On Fri, 1/17/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:51 PM Michael wrote: I feel the Universe has nearly infinite if not infinite experiences we can all have, and the so-called higher states of awareness or enlightened perception, including all the celestial perception stuff is just another experience among a plethora of experiences. I agree. I also have a hard time finding greater or lesser validity of any particular experience over another. An experience experienced is just that - it is reality for that experiencer. And as we all know experience is ultimately subjective and particular to each person. How to understand or interpret, let alone judge or put some value on someone else's reality/experience is, for me, an exercise in futility. I do, however, believe in personal growth and the reality of the possibility for the expansion of awareness and the development of sensibility in different human beings in different phases of their life or lives. I think that if one chooses one can create an experience, a persona that is real moral, always sativcc, always unperturbed, sort of like the historical Buddha was supposed to have been. But most of those who have higher states of consciousness cycle from those kinds of experiences into egoic focus that includes often enough the idea that since everything is a play of awareness, it doesn't make a tinker's damn what they do with and to people, cuz its just all consciousness playing around. No rules, no standard of conduct, these are the ones like Muktananda, Maharishi and Rama who go off the deep end of ego and screw things up. I also think that many people who are under the assumption that a sort of higher state of consciousness can or does exist in gurus or teachers and are therefore responsible for giving these people free licence to do as they please and to support them in this, often to the detriment of everyone involved. I have yet to see anyone free of ego and I don't think of ego as something terrible. Like many characteristics, it can become distorted, unbalanced but in and of itself ego is neither good or bad. Just as ambition or empathy or passion is not inherently, ultimately good or bad. How it manifests can make the difference between something becoming positive, negative or simply remaining benign. It's complex, of course. I guess my point here is that it takes enablers to allow certain individuals to spiral out of control. When you put someone on some sort of pedestal it can really screw them up, whether they are holy men or holy women or the Justin Biebers and Miley Cyrus' of the world. Feed the ego like you would force feed a goose to fatten up the liver and sooner or later you create something that is unwell.
Re: [FairfieldLife] This is just all wrong
Goddamn, I wish I could git me a job like that. I bet I could screw it up just as good as he did. On Fri, 1/17/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] This is just all wrong To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 5:43 PM I guess we all missed the Scamming 101 classes in college? When did they start teaching them? Think about what FFL could look like if they spent the money on Yahoo Groups than paying this scamster off. http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million Once again no human being so good that they deserve such compensation. Business is nothing but a poker game.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Oh, I see that you mean. As to my own belief, I made no comment on the reality of Lenz's levitation demonstration. I have done TMSP and it certainly doesn't qualify as flying in any way. I do think some folk have done it like maybe good old Saint Joseph of Cupertino and am willing to believe Rama may have done, as the Brits say. M never demonstrated cause he couldn't do it. On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 6:05 PM On 1/17/2014 9:46 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: It looks like you've changed your mind about the bun-hopping-levitation too. I have no idea why you would say that. Well, it's settled then - humans can fly and levitate; we have several eye-witnesses on the forum who can testify to this. So, I wonder why Barry was making fun of MMY and the bun-hopping? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
yep, it can happen. Same with Chuck Anderson On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 6:13 PM On 1/17/2014 9:34 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I view Amma as a huckster, but I don't deny people have pleasant and powerful experiences with her. I view M as a huckster, but the one time I saw him in person, I had what stands today as one of the most powerful, amazing experiences of energy of my life. So, it's settled then - Amma and MMY are both hucksters that cause amazing experiences of energy in people's lives.
[FairfieldLife] The Reality of Vastu Veda
One of the very very few really sensible things I have ever read about vastu veda Everyone who believes in vastu ved should really read every word. http://antisuperstition.org/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=65%3Avastu-mythscatid=58%3AvastushastraItemid=64
[FairfieldLife] Post Count Sat 18-Jan-14 00:15:03 UTC
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Re: [FairfieldLife] This is just all wrong
The downside of a really high paying job is the expectations are REALLY REALLY HIGH. Some people don't make to the exit door sane. Some take a shortcut jumping out a window. Sometimes they want you to pull a rabbit out of hat. On 01/17/2014 03:56 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Goddamn, I wish I could git me a job like that. I bet I could screw it up just as good as he did. On Fri, 1/17/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] This is just all wrong To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 5:43 PM I guess we all missed the Scamming 101 classes in college? When did they start teaching them? Think about what FFL could look like if they spent the money on Yahoo Groups than paying this scamster off. http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million Once again no human being so good that they deserve such compensation. Business is nothing but a poker game.
[FairfieldLife] Secrets of Love Relationship
Dr. Pillai explains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msLD02RR9cs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msLD02RR9cs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
I was talking to a friend of mine the other night. In the past he has recommended some interesting reading material. He was telling me how impressed he was with The Course in Miracles. I know that material has been around for sometime. I was wondering what others might have thought of it, if they happened to take a run at it? FWIW, from what he told me, it had an interesting genesis, but other than that, again, from what he told me, it sounded like basic new age boiler plate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: yep, it can happen. Same with Chuck Anderson On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 6:13 PM On 1/17/2014 9:34 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I view Amma as a huckster, but I don't deny people have pleasant and powerful experiences with her. I view M as a huckster, but the one time I saw him in person, I had what stands today as one of the most powerful, amazing experiences of energy of my life. So, it's settled then - Amma and MMY are both hucksters that cause amazing experiences of energy in people's lives.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: This is just all wrong
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: I thought you worked in corporate America? I would think you know the kind of people I'm talking about? They are an elitist crowd who think little of screwing the public. I've rubbed elbows with them so this is no idle speculation. At the company I worked at the CEO brought in a college buddy of his for a senior level position but the guy didn't know shit about what he was doing. This happens all the time in corporate America. It happens all the time, period. It doesn't have to be corporate America. No, I am using scamster in a very broad way and you are just using it an very narrow way. On 01/17/2014 11:53 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Yada yada yada. Yes, I know all that. I said what he was going to be paid was obscene, for pete's sake. But you called the dude a scamster as if he had somehow managed to defraud Yahoo, which is not the case. Marissa Mayer flubbed another dub when she hired him and then had to fire him after only 15 months. It was her poor judgment as to his capabilities that cost Yahoo such a ridiculous sum. Picky, picky. You get what I mean. Beside where was the Yahoo Board of Directors when they granted such compensation? What about the stockholders? Judy, you should damn well know this is an old boys and girls club. My point is NOBODY is worth such compensation. NOBODY is that good. NOBODY is that special. And there are certainly execs who have been granted even more. We are back to some medieval style times of landed gentry. Fuck the landed gentry. On 01/17/2014 10:39 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: How are you defining scam? He may not deserve the compensation, but he's entitled to it per his hiring agreement with Yahoo. Yahoo offered him the gig; he didn't twist their arms to get it, let alone do anything unethical. If Mayer wanted to tempt him to leave Google that badly, and he turned out not to be capable of doing what she envisioned, that's her poor judgment, not a scam on his part. And it may not be as much as $109 million. That's the most he would get, assuming he was fired without cause, and if he met all his performance targets, both of which are yet to be determined. Yes, whatever he gets will be obscene, but it's not fair to accuse him of wrongdoing. I guess we all missed the Scamming 101 classes in college? When did they start teaching them? Think about what FFL could look like if they spent the money on Yahoo Groups than paying this scamster off. http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24929830/departing-yahoo-exec-may-collect-up-109-million Once again no human being so good that they deserve such compensation. Business is nothing but a poker game.
[FairfieldLife] Anyone Looking forward to the Olympics?
It appears this man qualified to represent the US in figure skating for the Sochi Olympics: http://www.breakingnews.ie/discover/this-guy-doing-a-riverdance-ice-skating-routine-will-blow-your-mind-619724.html http://www.breakingnews.ie/discover/this-guy-doing-a-riverdance-ice-skating-routine-will-blow-your-mind-619724.html
[FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Re Guy croaked himself.: Did Rama leave a suicide note? If not, it seems a funny way to commit suicide. Some reports claim he took 80–150 Valium. Valium comes in 2mg, 5mg and 10mg strengths. Assume (tops) he took 150 x 10mg = 1,500mg diazepam. People have taken 2,000mg of valium and had no bad effects after sleeping off the dose for 48 hours. Some have maintained that Rama took Phenobarbital (Abbie Hoffman's choice also) which sounds more likely if he had decided to check out - but don't US coroners run proper autopsies to determine exactly what poisons are in blood samples? Either way, the cause of death was drowning! Was that his intention all along? Or did he simply drown accidentally after going on a drug bender?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Michael sez: Robin's experience was that his actions were, as it were, dictated by cosmic forces, rather than that he could just do whatever he felt like. His experience was that he could not do other than what he did, even though at times there was some aspect of himself that didn't want to do what he was doing. So bottom line I don't buy Robin's assertion that he in essence was forced to behave in this way by these forces. That excuse goes back as long as we have had the idea of a Devil. Emptybill replies: Robin never was interested in a classical Vedantic assessment of his so-called “enlightenment”. All of this, in spite of the fact that Shankara’s Vedanta was the proffered basis of Maharishi’s tradition. Such an assessment would have presented an opposite view about this whole “enlightenment meme”. I pointed this out to Robin a number of times but he wasn’t interested in hearing about it. Rather he just wanted to espouse his chosen narrative about how he was deluded by “cosmic entities” but was now free of them. More of the old - “I didn’t fail … I was fooled” as you also pointed out. This is what happens when experience itself becomes the object of sadhana (practice) rather than conformity with Reality. It is the same old theme and “gurus” just fool people when they cheat them out of the self-evaluations necessary for real sadhana.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
emptybill, this is a seriously skewed version of Robin's story. Just for one thing, you write, Rather he just wanted to espouse his chosen narrative about how he was deluded by 'cosmic entities' but was now free of them. More of the old - 'I didn’t fail … I was fooled' as you also pointed out. As Michael pointed out wrongly, and now you've pointed out wrongly. As I said--and you'll find it throughout Robin's posts--he acknowledged his failure and took responsibility for it. As far as he was concerned, the negative entities took advantage of his character flaws--what he called his secret infirmities. He was vulnerable to being fooled because he was badly screwed up, in other words. And he's been tougher on himself than anybody else has concerning his behavior back then. Robin is by far the most complicated personality I've ever encountered. It really doesn't make sense to brush him off with simplistic conclusions, nor is it fair to him. I have no idea what the real story was metaphysically speaking, but he's always been clear about how he understood it. Certainly none of us is in a position to interpret his experience. It's one thing if you disbelieve in the existence of negative entities who are capable of messing with vulnerable people. That's perfectly reasonable. What's not right is to assign motivations to the person who has had the experience of having been messed with, or to claim they're lying about their experience. Experience is experience; it may or may not conform to reality, especially whatever the hell the metaphysical reality of enlightenment is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Michael sez: Robin's experience was that his actions were, as it were, dictated by cosmic forces, rather than that he could just do whatever he felt like. His experience was that he could not do other than what he did, even though at times there was some aspect of himself that didn't want to do what he was doing. So bottom line I don't buy Robin's assertion that he in essence was forced to behave in this way by these forces. That excuse goes back as long as we have had the idea of a Devil. Emptybill replies: Robin never was interested in a classical Vedantic assessment of his so-called “enlightenment”. All of this, in spite of the fact that Shankara’s Vedanta was the proffered basis of Maharishi’s tradition. Such an assessment would have presented an opposite view about this whole “enlightenment meme”. I pointed this out to Robin a number of times but he wasn’t interested in hearing about it. Rather he just wanted to espouse his chosen narrative about how he was deluded by “cosmic entities” but was now free of them. More of the old - “I didn’t fail … I was fooled” as you also pointed out. This is what happens when experience itself becomes the object of sadhana (practice) rather than conformity with Reality. It is the same old theme and “gurus” just fool people when they cheat them out of the self-evaluations necessary for real sadhana.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: emptybill, this is a seriously skewed version of Robin's story. Just for one thing, you write, Rather he just wanted to espouse his chosen narrative about how he was deluded by 'cosmic entities' but was now free of them. More of the old - 'I didn’t fail … I was fooled' as you also pointed out. As Michael pointed out wrongly, and now you've pointed out wrongly. As I said--and you'll find it throughout Robin's posts--he acknowledged his failure and took responsibility for it. As far as he was concerned, the negative entities took advantage of his character flaws--what he called his secret infirmities. He was vulnerable to being fooled because he was badly screwed up, in other words. And he's been tougher on himself than anybody else has concerning his behavior back then. Robin is by far the most complicated personality I've ever encountered. It really doesn't make sense to brush him off with simplistic conclusions, nor is it fair to him. I have no idea what the real story was metaphysically speaking, but he's always been clear about how he understood it. Certainly none of us is in a position to interpret his experience. It's one thing if you disbelieve in the existence of negative entities who are capable of messing with vulnerable people. That's perfectly reasonable. What's not right is to assign motivations to the person who has had the experience of having been messed with, or to claim they're lying about their experience. Experience is experience; it may or may not conform to reality, especially whatever the hell the metaphysical reality of enlightenment is. Here is how I see it, in a nutshell. Empty can only interpret what Robin's experience was or wasn't based on his book learning or his own interpretation of book learning and teachers who 'told him so'. Robin had an experience and he has analyzed what that actually was, based on his time within the experience and his struggles and chronology getting 'free' of it. He alone truly knows what he has discovered in his long path toward separating himself from the influence of evil entities. Robin also knows himself to the degree to which he understands he is possessed of infirmities that would have allowed him to be vulnerable to that which is viewed as enlightenment by some. Robin was a victim of outside influences but his victimization was the result of inherent weaknesses within himself. Therefore, you can accuse Robin of conscious manipulation of others or being the author of dastardly deeds to the same degree that you can accuse a one-legged man of being too clumsy to dance the tango. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Michael sez: Robin's experience was that his actions were, as it were, dictated by cosmic forces, rather than that he could just do whatever he felt like. His experience was that he could not do other than what he did, even though at times there was some aspect of himself that didn't want to do what he was doing. So bottom line I don't buy Robin's assertion that he in essence was forced to behave in this way by these forces. That excuse goes back as long as we have had the idea of a Devil. Emptybill replies: Robin never was interested in a classical Vedantic assessment of his so-called “enlightenment”. All of this, in spite of the fact that Shankara’s Vedanta was the proffered basis of Maharishi’s tradition. Such an assessment would have presented an opposite view about this whole “enlightenment meme”. I pointed this out to Robin a number of times but he wasn’t interested in hearing about it. Rather he just wanted to espouse his chosen narrative about how he was deluded by “cosmic entities” but was now free of them. More of the old - “I didn’t fail … I was fooled” as you also pointed out. This is what happens when experience itself becomes the object of sadhana (practice) rather than conformity with Reality. It is the same old theme and “gurus” just fool people when they cheat them out of the self-evaluations necessary for real sadhana.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ann wrote: Here is how I see it, in a nutshell. Empty can only interpret what Robin's experience was or wasn't based on his book learning or his own interpretation of book learning and teachers who 'told him so'. Robin had an experience and he has analyzed what that actually was, based on his time within the experience and his struggles and chronology getting 'free' of it. He alone truly knows what he has discovered in his long path toward separating himself from the influence of evil entities. Robin also knows himself to the degree to which he understands he is possessed of infirmities that would have allowed him to be vulnerable to that which is viewed as enlightenment by some. Robin was a victim of outside influences but his victimization was the result of inherent weaknesses within himself. Therefore, you can accuse Robin of conscious manipulation of others or being the author of dastardly deeds to the same degree that you can accuse a one-legged man of being too clumsy to dance the tango. Perfectly said, thank you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Re Guy croaked himself.: Did Rama leave a suicide note? If not, it seems a funny way to commit suicide. Some reports claim he took 80â150 Valium. Valium comes in 2mg, 5mg and 10mg strengths. Assume (tops) he took 150 x 10mg = 1,500mg diazepam. People have taken 2,000mg of valium and had no bad effects after sleeping off the dose for 48 hours. Some have maintained that Rama took Phenobarbital (Abbie Hoffman's choice also) which sounds more likely if he had decided to check out - but don't US coroners run proper autopsies to determine exactly what poisons are in blood samples? Either way, the cause of death was drowning! Was that his intention all along? Or did he simply drown accidentally after going on a drug bender? It was pretty clearly a suicide, according to the person who was with him and attempted to join him. She survived, he didn't.
