Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I was listening to an interview of a prominent Christian leader in Baghdad who fears ISIS is nearing an attack on the city. He has about 32 Iraqi army body guards. He asked one , what would he do if he saw ISIS coming at him and the soldier said that he would discard his uniform and run. The clergyman asked why he was a soldier if he wouldn't do his duty. The soldier replied that he just needs the money, a job, inferring there was no sense of duty or patriotism. I'm afraid this is typical of the Iraqi army. Wasn't this the norm during the first and second Iraq wars? Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the millions -- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have been killed in this planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all the killing had just said, Fuck this, and gone home.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
--- jr_esq@... wrote : Jedi, The ancient people also had to evolve in order to fully understand who Yahweh is. The Bible chronicles their evolution of a people who functioned at the lower states of consciousness to some unique individuals who attained Unity Consciousness. However, it is unfortunate that most people today are still functioning at the lower states of consciousness, or the lower chakras. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in a seemingly endless wars in the world, particularly in the Middle East. At this time, we're supposed to be in the ascending cycle of the Dwapara Yuga, as reckoned by Sri Yukteshwar. Kali Yuga ended in the 1700s, during the European Renaissance. But many people still have not caught on. Perhaps, the Age of Aquarius can help people attain the higher states of consciousness. If you live long enough, you might be able to see Sat Yuga, during the Age of Leo-- that's about 12,500 years from now. --- danfriedman2002@... wrote : Yes, the understanding of God has changed in history. The Old Testament (to Christians, to Jews it is The Bible or The Book) records that Abraham sought to be a good man who served one God well. Abraham wanted a son his desire was made manifest. It is written that one day Moses came across a burning bush at Mt Horeb, from which he heard God's voice: I am who I am or I am what I am The word that God spoke to Moses is Yahweh. The word refers to that which is because its essence is to be. I am Totality. Men have been issuing in The Sat Yuga Now. Not at all Dan. What he meant is that, I am what I am, a genocidal baby killer and virgin kidnapper. By the way, read below and weep, more wisdom from your beloved Yahweh. (22:28-29) If a man rapes an unbetrothed virgin, he must pay her father 50 shekels of silver and then marry her. 22:23-24) If a woman is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, the men of the city must stone her to death. (Tastentier) If she didn't scream because the rapist held a knife to her throat, she'd deserve to be stoned to death. That's the law of the omnibenevolent god Yahweh, Jesus' daddy. (Ganesh V) Well, Shouldn't The Holy Ghost and Virgin Mary be Stoned to death as per this gem from the Holy Babble? (tiny tim) David and Bethsheba technically should have been put to death for what they did. David didn't rape her and Bethsheba didn't cry out. 22:13-21) If a man marries and then decides that he hates his wife, he can claim she wasn't a virgin when they were married. If her father can't produce the tokens of her virginity, then the woman is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Your last paragraph sums it adequately. In a scientific sense, IMO John Hagelin's idea of an ocean of superstrings is the basis of everything, including the multiverse and our universe. It is the unified field and it is present in the dark energy that's powering the expansion of the universe. This ocean is alive and aware. It is the Self of the vedic literature. It is the self in you and in other people. It is Yahweh in the Judeo-Christian literature. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : Interesting. Is it the same Yahweh who ordered Moses to slaughter women, children, babies, elders, of his wife's country and kidnap 32,000 virgins belonging to another culture. Yahweh was originaly the partisan god of war, along with many other gods. It got upgraded centuries later. Judeo-christian religions come under 'monotheistic dualism'. They have nothing to do with 'solipsistic non-dualism' of Maharishi and Adi Shankara. As a matter of fact, consciousness is present in the rocks, plants and animals. As such, everything in the universe intrinsically has the capacity to experience the various states of consciousness. However, the degree of awareness is fully endowed in the mind and physiology of the human being. IMO, the various states of consciousness are the higher dimensions that the scientists have been looking for at CERN. IOW, the higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up within space-time. The higher dimensions are intrinsically present within space-time. These higher dimensions are unfolded as matter becomes more complex. Thus, it is only in the human mind and physiology that Unity Consciousness can be experienced. IMO, this is the true message that all of the world's religions are trying to say. But, unfortunately, many people are still hung up on matter and instincts-- from which fundamentalism is derived-- which is causing suffering and death in the world today. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, Excellent observation. I concur. Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his usual response every time some mentions the C word. It isn't relevant, what are you concuring with? The question was: Ask yourself where consciousness came from. Chaos?
[FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés photos are below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name. 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereot... Terrorist. Gangster. Stripper. Landscaper. When people are viewed as stereotypes, they're labeled on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. P... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
No, these people are willing to lose everything they have including their women and families, to attack the rest of the world. They are from a completely different moral order. They look at women as properties to be owned. Their motives are irrational and illogical. Their use of fraudulent religions is just an excuse, a smoke screen to hide their real agenda, which is to spread their genes, all over the world. Their real agenda is biological, always remember that. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Osho said that wars are caused by sexual repression. IOW, if the ISIS militants had girlfriends, they wouldn't go to war. ---Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote : I was listening to an interview of a prominent Christian leader in Baghdad who fears ISIS is nearing an attack on the city. He has about 32 Iraqi army body guards. He asked one , what would he do if he saw ISIS coming at him and the soldier said that he would discard his uniform and run. The clergyman asked why he was a soldier if he wouldn't do his duty. The soldier replied that he just needs the money, a job, inferring there was no sense of duty or patriotism. I'm afraid this is typical of the Iraqi army. Wasn't this the norm during the first and second Iraq wars? --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the millions -- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have been killed in this planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all the killing had just said, Fuck this, and gone home.
[FairfieldLife] The Incredible Journey of Inspiration - Swami Narayan
Mystic India - The Incredible Journey of Inspiration [DDR]- Swami Narayan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OuKvQf_apE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OuKvQf_apE Mystic India - The Incredible Journey of Inspiration [DD... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OuKvQf_apE (Learn and portray India with a collection of free online documentary films on http://www.bharatchitra.com ) Swaminarayan (or Swami Narayan) is ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OuKvQf_apE Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] A Charlie Lutes audio for John Y and others
The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation as taught by certified teachers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 The Highest Teaching is Transcendental Meditation ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 It's not enough to be given the highest teaching on Earth. What do we do with it? Persevere. Morning and Evening, twice a day devotion to our meditation as w... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KtIeNsH8list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fqindex=10 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés photos are below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name. 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereot... Terrorist. Gangster. Stripper. Landscaper. When people are viewed as stereotypes, they're labeled on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. P... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 6:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo
images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer
makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different
ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the
imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project
onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all.
I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially
regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to
matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see
them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using
the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of
the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other
aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés photos are
below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name.
'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes
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Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way
that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear
at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong*
aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an
Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the
word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can
do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the
internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads.
The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from
it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert
those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't
think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in
mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of
Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
If they really want to spread their genes all over the world, they might first
get rid of the thought that women are property. Having 2 such thoughts must
produce a lot of cognitive dissonance!
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 4:17 AM, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
No, these people are willing to lose everything they have
including their women and families, to attack the rest of
the world. They are from a completely different moral order.
They look at women as properties to be owned. Their motives
are irrational and illogical. Their use of fraudulent religions
is just an excuse, a smoke screen to hide their real agenda,
which is to spread their genes, all over the world.
Their real agenda is biological, always remember that.
--- jr_esq@... wrote :
Osho said that wars are caused by sexual repression. IOW, if the ISIS
militants had girlfriends, they wouldn't go to war.
---Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote :
I was listening to an interview of a prominent Christian leader in Baghdad who
fears ISIS is nearing an attack on the city. He has about 32 Iraqi army body
guards. He asked one , what would he do if he saw ISIS coming at him and the
soldier said that he would discard his uniform and run. The clergyman asked why
he was a soldier if he wouldn't do his duty. The soldier replied that he just
needs the money, a job, inferring there was no sense of duty or patriotism. I'm
afraid this is typical of the Iraqiarmy. Wasn't this the norm during the first
and second Iraqwars?
--- turquoiseb@... wrote :
Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the millions
-- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have been killed in this
planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all the killing had just said,
Fuck this, and gone home.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Try an ounce of self reflection, Barry. You, who insult. Who says your primary purpose is to push people's buttons I guess you miss the fact that people may not regard you as some kind of BFF. Try posting something with out the usual rejoinder on occasion. (if you can) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés http://www.joelpares.com/ photos are below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name. 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereot... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Terrorist. Gangster. Stripper. Landscaper. When people are viewed as stereotypes, they're labeled on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. P... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Not sure what you are saying below Barry. Likely the usual basket of insults, mocking etc. But, what you probably miss, is that if your beliefs pretty much check all the boxes for being a classic theist. Now, I know that goes against the meme you have of yourself as Barry Wright, hipster, renegade, rebel with an anti TM cause, but thems the facts. Ain't no thang. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés http://www.joelpares.com/ photos are below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name. 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereot... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Terrorist. Gangster. Stripper. Landscaper. When people are viewed as stereotypes, they're labeled on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. P... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Preview by Yahoo Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Not sure what you are saying below Barry. Likely the usual basket of insults, mocking etc. But, what you probably miss, is that your beliefs pretty much check all the boxes for being a classic theist. Now, I know that goes against the meme you have of yourself as Barry Wright, hipster, renegade, rebel with an anti TM cause, but thems the facts. Ain't no thang. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés http://www.joelpares.com/ photos are below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name. 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereot... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Terrorist. Gangster. Stripper. Landscaper. When people are viewed as stereotypes, they're labeled on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. P... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Preview by Yahoo Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Try an ounce of self reflection, Barry. You, who insult. Who says your primary purpose is to push people's buttons I guess you miss the fact that people may not regard you as some kind of BFF. Try posting something with out the usual rejoinder on occasion. (if you can) Barry's sort of self-reflection has resulted in The Contradictory Barry we see here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés http://www.joelpares.com/ photos are below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name. 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereot... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Terrorist. Gangster. Stripper. Landscaper. When people are viewed as stereotypes, they're labeled on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. P... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : --- jr_esq@... wrote : Jedi, The ancient people also had to evolve in order to fully understand who Yahweh is. The Bible chronicles their evolution of a people who functioned at the lower states of consciousness to some unique individuals who attained Unity Consciousness. However, it is unfortunate that most people today are still functioning at the lower states of consciousness, or the lower chakras. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in a seemingly endless wars in the world, particularly in the Middle East. At this time, we're supposed to be in the ascending cycle of the Dwapara Yuga, as reckoned by Sri Yukteshwar. Kali Yuga ended in the 1700s, during the European Renaissance. But many people still have not caught on. Perhaps, the Age of Aquarius can help people attain the higher states of consciousness. If you live long enough, you might be able to see Sat Yuga, during the Age of Leo-- that's about 12,500 years from now. --- danfriedman2002@... wrote : Yes, the understanding of God has changed in history. The Old Testament (to Christians, to Jews it is The Bible or The Book) records that Abraham sought to be a good man who served one God well. Abraham wanted a son his desire was made manifest. It is written that one day Moses came across a burning bush at Mt Horeb, from which he heard God's voice: I am who I am or I am what I am The word that God spoke to Moses is Yahweh. The word refers to that which is because its essence is to be. I am Totality. Men have been issuing in The Sat Yuga Now. Not at all Dan. How dare you! What he meant How dare you! is that, I am what I am, a genocidal baby killer and virgin kidnapper. By the way, read below and weep, I weep for you! more wisdom from your beloved Yahweh. (22:28-29) If a man rapes an unbetrothed virgin, he must pay her father 50 shekels of silver and then marry her. 22:23-24) If a woman is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, the men of the city must stone her to death. (Tastentier) If she didn't scream because the rapist held a knife to her throat, she'd deserve to be stoned to death. That's the law of the omnibenevolent god Yahweh, Jesus' daddy. (Ganesh V) Well, Shouldn't The Holy Ghost and Virgin Mary be Stoned to death as per this gem from the Holy Babble? (tiny tim) David and Bethsheba technically should have been put to death for what they did. David didn't rape her and Bethsheba didn't cry out. 22:13-21) If a man marries and then decides that he hates his wife, he can claim she wasn't a virgin when they were married. If her father can't produce the tokens of her virginity, then the woman is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep. Try to move on from your barbarism hater! --- jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Your last paragraph sums it adequately. In a scientific sense, IMO John Hagelin's idea of an ocean of superstrings is the basis of everything, including the multiverse and our universe. It is the unified field and it is present in the dark energy that's powering the expansion of the universe. This ocean is alive and aware. It is the Self of the vedic literature. It is the self in you and in other people. It is Yahweh in the Judeo-Christian literature. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : Interesting. Is it the same Yahweh who ordered Moses to slaughter women, children, babies, elders, of his wife's country and kidnap 32,000 virgins belonging to another culture. Yahweh was originaly the partisan god of war, along with many other gods. It got upgraded centuries later. Judeo-christian religions come under 'monotheistic dualism'. They have nothing to do with 'solipsistic non-dualism' of Maharishi and Adi Shankara. As a matter of fact, consciousness is present in the rocks, plants and animals. As such, everything in the universe intrinsically has the capacity to experience the various states of consciousness. However, the degree of awareness is fully endowed in the mind and physiology of the human being. IMO, the various states of consciousness are the higher dimensions that the scientists have been looking for at CERN. IOW, the higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up within space-time. The higher dimensions are intrinsically present within space-time. These higher dimensions are unfolded as matter becomes more complex. Thus, it is only in the human mind and physiology that Unity Consciousness can be experienced. IMO, this is the true message that all of the world's religions are trying to say. But, unfortunately, many people are still hung up on matter and instincts-- from which fundamentalism is derived-- which is causing suffering and death in the world today. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, Excellent observation. I concur. Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his usual response every time
[FairfieldLife] The Seven Wonders of the World
This is one of those New Age graphics that multiply like rabbits on Facebook. But for once I kinda liked this one. One reason is the Thoreau-like simplicity of the list. It's just spot-on. Another reason is that to fly and to be enlightened didn't make the list. That's having yer priorities in order IMO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] JFAN Annual Meeting [2 Attachments]
Nine new CAFO's in Jefferson County alone!? That don't sound too good for the quality of life in Jefferson. From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; fairfieldc...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 11:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] JFAN Annual Meeting From: Diane Rosenberg j...@lisco.com Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 at 6:36 PM To: Diane Rosenberg j...@lisco.com Subject: In Just Two Weeks... We are fighting for what we really want, not just the best that can be negotiated in Washington- Wenonah Hauter WENONAH HAUTER CHARLIE SPEER RICHARD MIDDLETON It's Time To Change 'Business As Usual' Jefferson County Farmers Neighbors, Inc. Annual Meeting Wednesday, October 15 at 7:30 pm Fairfield Arts Convention Center WENONAH HAUTER *Food Water Watch Executive Director * Leading national food and farm activist * Author of Foodopoly: The Battle Over the Future of Food and Farming in America *25+ years advocating for food, water, and energy issues Iowa is overrun with hog confinements. Wenonah Hauter will speak on the enormous influence agribusiness has on developing US agricultural policies that overwhelmingly favor industrial livestock production. Fair? Heck no. Hauter will address what Iowans must do to reverse this situation, transforming business as usual into a fair, sustainable system - business that benefits all. Plus Nationally Renowned Environmental Attorneys Return CHARLIE SPEER · RICHARD MIDDLETON *Award-winning environmental litigators * Winners of multi-million dollar verdicts and settlements against CAFO owners and their integrators (corporate suppliers) * 15+ years representing clients harmed by nearby CAFOs Nine new CAFOs are under construction in Jefferson County, and Southeast Iowa is hit with many more. Charlie Speer, Richard Middleton, and David E. Sykes - JFAN's new president - will present an important report on this serious threat. Find out why the numbers of CAFOs aren't higher in Jefferson County and what is being done to deter additional development in the area. Dr. John Ikerd, renowned agricultural economist and JFAN Board Member emcees the meeting. We thank our community partners Leopold Group Sierra Club, solar Powered KRUU 100.1 FM, Little Village Magazine and Radish Magazine for co-sponsoring this event. Admission is free, however a donation of $5 is welcome to support JFAN's mission. Thank you to all our corporate sponsors Aeron Lifestyle Technology · Blue Fish · Bob and Kay Ferguson Shaklee Distributors · Centerpoint Investment Strategies · David E. Sykes, PC · Fairfield Accounting Services · Global ID Group · Green Building Supply · Green Gourmet · Leopold Group Sierra Club · Maharishi Ayurveda Products International · The Organic and Non-GMO Report · Radiance Dairy · Radiant Health Imaging · The Raj · Socially Responsible Agricultural Project · Tim Hawthorne and Laya Schaetzel-Hawthorne To be added to the JFAN email list, type SUBSCRIBE in the Subject Line and hit return. To unsubscribe from the JFAN email list, hit reply, type REMOVE in the Subject Line and hit return. JFAN never sells or shares its email list. Thank you! Jefferson County Farmers Neighbors, Inc. PO Box 811 Fairfield, IA 52556 www.jfaniowa.org 641-209-6600
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. Dearest Share, May your words serve as a guiding light for all who hear. My observance: Yom Kippur (Hebrew: יוֹם כִּפּוּר or יום הכיפורים), Also known as Day of Atonement, is the holiest day of the year for the Jews. Its central themes are atonement and repentance. Yom Kippur completes the annual period known in Judaism as the High Holy Days (or sometimes the Days of Awe). On Thursday, October 2, 2014 6:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés http://www.joelpares.com/ photos are below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name. 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereot... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Terrorist. Gangster. Stripper. Landscaper. When people are viewed as stereotypes, they're labeled on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. P... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Preview by Yahoo Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Pure Genius! Next: Turq describes, for quite awhile, How The Universe Does, Or Does Not Exist, Ever (Especially if you are a cultist TMer, and Maharishi is a poopy pants). This 12 volume set is also available as a books-on-tape option, and has been known to put entire small countries to sleep, rapidly, when broadcast nationally. Use your special FFL code: L3NZ 5Uxx for a generous 5% discount! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Really? Always productive. Never missus a trick. Turq for Ruler! The last of the complex thinkers. Turq's contradictions are so complex that it boggles the mind to imagine the labyrinth of memory/fantasy/imaginings/projections/beliefs... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the millions -- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have been killed in this planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all the killing had just said, Fuck this, and gone home.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
/By my count, based on his online posted biography, Barry has spent thousands of dollars and decades of time working to promote or debunk various spiritual groups and individuals. At one point he was apparently a group leader of some repute and well known in cult circles around Portland, Oregon and Sante Fe, NM. His photo was once featured on the front page of a TMO publication about Governors of the Age of Enlightenment //and he has written a book about witnessing the Zen Master Rama levitate. Go figure. // //At some point he became a True Believer but then later, he got turned and did a 180 and went over to being anti-cult, probably working as a reporter for CAN.// http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_Awareness_Network // //We are not sure exactly how time he spent or how much money he was able to skim, or what happened to all the money. He doesn't seem to want to talk about it, probably due to the extreme cognitive dissonance. //Whatever, //it may make a good article for a science or psychology magazine article on trance-induction states and mind-control. / / /On 10/1/2014 9:43 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Does my wild-ass guess that Judy is penning such article hold water? You all know her better than I, but I got the sense that her logical approach was meant to help Turq contain his wildness. /Yes - I think she did try to help him - she did her part trying to keep the discussion going. / Am I right about this? /Anyone can pose here as anything they want to pretend to be - by their words we shall know them. Sometimes though, when people pose as athiests they leave out the most interesting aspects of the spiritual quest - it's more like a thought-stopper than a discussion statement. The problem in a discussion is *elitism* - projecting an image based on class and privilage. And, some people want to take over your mind and make you doubt yourself. Everyone believes in something. Sam Harris studied and practiced Tantric Buddhism under a Tibetan lama. Go figure. Just think - the words you post to the internet are as close to immortal as most people will ever get, not counting their gravestone. ///Or, at least until the Yahoo server goes down. Y/ou get much more fame here than with Warhol's fifteen minutes. /
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Pure Genius! Next: Turq describes, for quite awhile, How The Universe Does, Or Does Not Exist, Ever (Especially if you are a cultist TMer, and Maharishi is a poopy pants). This 12 volume set is also available as a books-on-tape option, and has been known to put entire small countries to sleep, rapidly, when broadcast nationally. Use your special FFL code: L3NZ 5Uxx for a generous 5% discount! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Really? Always productive. Never missus a trick. Turq for Ruler! The last of the complex thinkers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the millions -- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have been killed in this planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all the killing had just said, Fuck this, and gone home.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : bawee dribbles: I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other aspect of the person they're hating on. all the while not realizing he continues to talk about himself in reference to others. The irony just never stops.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year. THere were several people interviewed who responded in a way that suggested to me (and to Fred also, from what he has said) that they were in GC or UC, but there weren't enough people in each possible sub-group (CC/GC/UC) to do a detailed analysis of what the physiological correlates were for each category of enlightened response to the interviewer's request to Describe your self. Here's examples of the various kinds of responses that Fred got. Does it seem like anyone might be in GC or UC rather than CC? L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies . . . my experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. It's immeasurably vast. . . on a physical level. It is not just restricted to this physical environment L2: It's the ‘‘I am-ness.’’ It's my Being. There's just a channel underneath that's just underlying everything. It's my essence there and it just doesn't stop where I stop. . . by ‘‘I,’’ I mean this 5 ft. 2 person that moves around here and there L3: I look out and see this beautiful divine Intelligence. . . you could say in the sky, in the tree, but really being expressed through these things. . . and these are my Self L4: I experience myself as being without edges or content. . . beyond the universe. . . all-pervading, and being absolutely thrilled, absolutely delighted with every motion that my body makes. With everything that my eyes see, my ears hear, my nose smells. There's a delight in the sense that I am able to penetrate that. My consciousness, my intelligence pervades everything I see, feel and think L5: When I say ’’I’’ that's the Self. There's a quality that is so pervasive about the Self that I'm quite sure that the ‘‘I’’ is the same ‘‘I’’ as everyone else's ‘‘I.’’ Not in terms of what follows right after. I am tall, I am short, I am fat, I am this, I am that. But the ‘‘I’’ part. The ‘‘I am’’ part is the same ‘‘I am’’ for you and me ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But CC really isn't enlightenment, it's just 'glorified ignorance' as M said. You get inner wakefulness and silence along with a deluded mind. So this paper is not about enlightened people. It's about people who have a certain degree of opening to spiritual experience, but far short of the goal. Fred's problem is he does not have access to currently used state-of-the-art equipment in the study of consciousness, and even if he did, he probably would not be allowed by the TMO to use it (fMRI for example), and he is probably under some other research restrictions as well, as he likely would be booted if he published any negative results. Fred: 'The experience of Transcendental Consciousness transcends language and provides a platform for experiencing the world more with re[s]pect to inner abstract structures and less with respect to outer, changing concrete objects. This experience of Transcendental Consciousness is not a luxury and should not be isolated to a few individuals transcending during meditation practice. Rather, the experience of Transcendental Consciousness should be available to everyone to allow them to realize their full human birthright.' He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Fred Travis published research on enlightened people. This review paper looks at the research: Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences - Wiley Online Library http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - Annals of the New Yor... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full 1 Shear, J. 2006. The Experience of Meditation: Experts Introduce the Major Traditions. Princeton, NJ: The Infinity Foundation. 2 Travis, F. J. Shear. View on onlinelibrary.wiley.com http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Preview by Yahoo Fred is doing new research on people in CC and will be using more sophisticated EEG analysis, and possibly other measures as well. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
jedi_spock@... wrote : --- jr_esq@... wrote : Jedi, The ancient people also had to evolve in order to fully understand who Yahweh is. The Bible chronicles their evolution of a people who functioned at the lower states of consciousness to some unique individuals who attained Unity Consciousness. However, it is unfortunate that most people today are still functioning at the lower states of consciousness, or the lower chakras. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in a seemingly endless wars in the world, particularly in the Middle East. At this time, we're supposed to be in the ascending cycle of the Dwapara Yuga, as reckoned by Sri Yukteshwar. Kali Yuga ended in the 1700s, during the European Renaissance. But many people still have not caught on. Perhaps, the Age of Aquarius can help people attain the higher states of consciousness. If you live long enough, you might be able to see Sat Yuga, during the Age of Leo-- that's about 12,500 years from now. --- danfriedman2002@... wrote : Yes, the understanding of God has changed in history. The Old Testament (to Christians, to Jews it is The Bible or The Book) records that Abraham sought to be a good man who served one God well. Abraham wanted a son his desire was made manifest. It is written that one day Moses came across a burning bush at Mt Horeb, from which he heard God's voice: I am who I am or I am what I am The word that God spoke to Moses is Yahweh. The word refers to that which is because its essence is to be. I am Totality. Men have been issuing in The Sat Yuga Now. Not at all Dan. How dare you! What he meant How dare you! Hey, Danny boy. Are you upset? Please draw a line of distinction between this fraudulent religion and Vedanta. Sure, there is some good philosophy in new testament, but 90% of it is fraudulent shit. Here are a few gems from that huge pile of shit. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. (Philippians 4:7) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. (John 8:32) is that, I am what I am, a genocidal baby killer and virgin kidnapper. By the way, read below and weep, I weep for you! more wisdom from your beloved Yahweh. (22:28-29) If a man rapes an unbetrothed virgin, he must pay her father 50 shekels of silver and then marry her. 22:23-24) If a woman is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, the men of the city must stone her to death. (Tastentier) If she didn't scream because the rapist held a knife to her throat, she'd deserve to be stoned to death. That's the law of the omnibenevolent god Yahweh, Jesus' daddy. (Ganesh V) Well, Shouldn't The Holy Ghost and Virgin Mary be Stoned to death as per this gem from the Holy Babble? (tiny tim) David and Bethsheba technically should have been put to death for what they did. David didn't rape her and Bethsheba didn't cry out. 22:13-21) If a man marries and then decides that he hates his wife, he can claim she wasn't a virgin when they were married. If her father can't produce the tokens of her virginity, then the woman is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep. Try to move on from your barbarism hater! --- jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Your last paragraph sums it adequately. In a scientific sense, IMO John Hagelin's idea of an ocean of superstrings is the basis of everything, including the multiverse and our universe. It is the unified field and it is present in the dark energy that's powering the expansion of the universe. This ocean is alive and aware. It is the Self of the vedic literature. It is the self in you and in other people. It is Yahweh in the Judeo-Christian literature. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : Interesting. Is it the same Yahweh who ordered Moses to slaughter women, children, babies, elders, of his wife's country and kidnap 32,000 virgins belonging to another culture. Yahweh was originaly the partisan god of war, along with many other gods. It got upgraded centuries later. Judeo-christian religions come under 'monotheistic dualism'. They have nothing to do with 'solipsistic non-dualism' of Maharishi and Adi Shankara. As a matter of fact, consciousness is present in the rocks, plants and animals. As such, everything in the universe intrinsically has the capacity to experience the various states of consciousness. However, the degree of awareness is fully endowed in the mind and physiology of the human being. IMO, the various states of consciousness are the higher dimensions that the scientists have been looking for at CERN. IOW, the higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up within space-time. The higher dimensions are intrinsically present within space-time. These higher dimensions are unfolded as matter becomes more complex. Thus, it is only in the human mind and physiology that Unity Consciousness can be experienced. IMO,
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like from the enlightened test subjects to the question Describe your self: L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies . . . my experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. It's immeasurably vast. . . on a physical level. It is not just restricted to this physical environment L2: It's the ‘‘I am-ness.’’ It's my Being. There's just a channel underneath that's just underlying everything. It's my essence there and it just doesn't stop where I stop. . . by ‘‘I,’’ I mean this 5 ft. 2 person that moves around here and there L3: I look out and see this beautiful divine Intelligence. . . you could say in the sky, in the tree, but really being expressed through these things. . . and these are my Self L4: I experience myself as being without edges or content. . . beyond the universe. . . all-pervading, and being absolutely thrilled, absolutely delighted with every motion that my body makes. With everything that my eyes see, my ears hear, my nose smells. There's a delight in the sense that I am able to penetrate that. My consciousness, my intelligence pervades everything I see, feel and think L5: When I say ’’I’’ that's the Self. There's a quality that is so pervasive about the Self that I'm quite sure that the ‘‘I’’ is the same ‘‘I’’ as everyone else's ‘‘I.’’ Not in terms of what follows right after. I am tall, I am short, I am fat, I am this, I am that. But the ‘‘I’’ part. The ‘‘I am’’ part is the same ‘‘I am’’ for you and me ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But CC really isn't enlightenment, it's just 'glorified ignorance' as M said. You get inner wakefulness and silence along with a deluded mind. So this paper is not about enlightened people. It's about people who have a certain degree of opening to spiritual experience, but far short of the goal. Fred's problem is he does not have access to currently used state-of-the-art equipment in the study of consciousness, and even if he did, he probably would not be allowed by the TMO to use it (fMRI for example), and he is probably under some other research restrictions as well, as he likely would be booted if he published any negative results. Fred: 'The experience of Transcendental Consciousness transcends language and provides a platform for experiencing the world more with re[s]pect to inner abstract structures and less with respect to outer, changing concrete objects. This experience of Transcendental Consciousness is not a luxury and should not be isolated to a few individuals transcending during meditation practice. Rather, the experience of Transcendental Consciousness should be available to everyone to allow them to realize their full human birthright.' He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Fred Travis published research on enlightened people. This review paper looks at the research: Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences - Wiley Online Library http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - Annals of the New Yor... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full 1 Shear, J. 2006. The Experience of Meditation: Experts Introduce the Major Traditions. Princeton, NJ: The Infinity Foundation. 2 Travis, F. J. Shear. View on onlinelibrary.wiley.com http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Preview by Yahoo Fred is doing new research on people in CC and will be using more sophisticated EEG analysis, and possibly other measures as well. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. Fascinating for you maybe. For me I don't separate the world into God believers and non God believers - that would be far too tiresome and closed-minded. And I certainly don't spend time worrying about who believes what when it comes to religion or gods or the Easter Bunny for that matter. One day, bawee, you might try giving yourself a break and just letting it go; stop worrying about changing or even critiquing upon what others believe or don't believe. You get yourself so het up about it I am surprised you havent' had a stroke (or maybe you have). Now you speak below about others trying to convert people to believe in God. Isn't your point of this little post to try and convert the believers into non-believers or at least to denigrate their beliefs? Of course it is, you silly man. The little poster below featuring the babies as atheists was funny though. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like from the enlightened test subjects to the question Describe your self: L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies . . . my experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. It's immeasurably vast. . . on a physical level. It is not just restricted to this physical environment L2: It's the ‘‘I am-ness.’’ It's my Being. There's just a channel underneath that's just underlying everything. It's my essence there and it just doesn't stop where I stop. . . by ‘‘I,’’ I mean this 5 ft. 2 person that moves around here and there L3: I look out and see this beautiful divine Intelligence. . . you could say in the sky, in the tree, but really being expressed through these things. . . and these are my Self L4: I experience myself as being without edges or content. . . beyond the universe. . . all-pervading, and being absolutely thrilled, absolutely delighted with every motion that my body makes. With everything that my eyes see, my ears hear, my nose smells. There's a delight in the sense that I am able to penetrate that. My consciousness, my intelligence pervades everything I see, feel and think L5: When I say ’’I’’ that's the Self. There's a quality that is so pervasive about the Self that I'm quite sure that the ‘‘I’’ is the same ‘‘I’’ as everyone else's ‘‘I.’’ Not in terms of what follows right after. I am tall, I am short, I am fat, I am this, I am that. But the ‘‘I’’ part. The ‘‘I am’’ part is the same ‘‘I am’’ for you and me I describe myself as L4, beginning with absolutely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But CC really isn't enlightenment, it's just 'glorified ignorance' as M said. You get inner wakefulness and silence along with a deluded mind. So this paper is not about enlightened people. It's about people who have a certain degree of opening to spiritual experience, but far short of the goal. Fred's problem is he does not have access to currently used state-of-the-art equipment in the study of consciousness, and even if he did, he probably would not be allowed by the TMO to use it (fMRI for example), and he is probably under some other research restrictions as well, as he likely would be booted if he published any negative results. Fred: 'The experience of Transcendental Consciousness transcends language and provides a platform for experiencing the world more with re[s]pect to inner abstract structures and less with respect to outer, changing concrete objects. This experience of Transcendental Consciousness is not a luxury and should not be isolated to a few individuals transcending during meditation practice. Rather, the experience of Transcendental Consciousness should be available to everyone to allow them to realize their full human birthright.' He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Fred Travis published research on enlightened people. This review paper looks at the research: Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences - Wiley Online Library http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - Annals of the New Yor... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full 1 Shear, J. 2006. The Experience of Meditation: Experts Introduce the Major Traditions. Princeton, NJ: The Infinity Foundation. 2 Travis, F. J. Shear. View on onlinelibrary.wiley.com http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Preview by Yahoo Fred is doing new research on people in CC and will be using more sophisticated EEG analysis, and possibly other measures as well. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year. And someone should add that witnessing sleep may not mean shit. One of my science article clients runs a sleep clinic, so when writing articles about sleep disorders I've learned a few interesting things. Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that they Never fall asleep. Their subjective experience is that they never lose conscious awareness, so they're worried that they've got a sleep disorder, even though they display no symptoms of sleep deprivation. When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity. It's just that they never lose their subjective awareness. In other words, a part of them is always awake, witnessing their subjective experience as they navigate the entire range of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. In the decade my client's practice has been open, he has treated maybe a couple of dozen people who report this. All of them are just normal people off the street. Not one of them meditates. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. Fascinating for you maybe. For me I don't separate the world into God believers and non God believers - that would be far too tiresome and closed-minded. And I certainly don't spend time worrying about who believes what when it comes to religion or gods or the Easter Bunny for that matter. One day, bawee, you might try giving yourself a break and just letting it go; stop worrying about changing or even critiquing upon what others believe or don't believe. You get yourself so het up about it I am surprised you havent' had a stroke (or maybe you have). Now you speak below about others trying to convert people to believe in God. Isn't your point of this little post to try and convert the believers into non-believers or at least to denigrate their beliefs? Of course it is, you silly man. The little poster below featuring the babies as atheists was funny though. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of: And representing the God-lovers, here's a lovely quote that arrived in my inbox just now: QUESTION: Is there one God, or are there many gods? MAHARISHI: If there are many gods, they must be working together as one God in order to keep all ends of the vast, expanding universe functioning in good coordination with each other. So we would not mind if there are many gods; we would not mind if there is one God. Whether many gods or one God, there definitely is the infinite diversity of the ever-expanding universe. Look to these words: 'infinite diversity of the ever-expanding universe', that is being administered by someone or many functioning in good faith with each other. It does not matter whether one or many. If someone believes there is one, he says, 'You are right; He can be one.' Or if there are many, many also will be functioning as one, unified. It is not that one [god] says, 'Yes, I will do this,' and the others say, 'No, I cannot do this.' It is not a matter of voting. It is a matter of acting in union with each other. One God or many gods, it does not matter. Whether one or many, it does not matter. Whatever we like, we can choose. There must be many, many gods to take care of many, many galaxies and many, many individuals, yes? There are so many species: tigers are there, monkeys are there, elephants are there, men are there. And men are living in North Pole and South Pole and here and there and there and there. So there must be many, many representations or representatives of God if there is one God, or no harm saying all gods. But all gods are in a perfect unified state. That means Unity Consciousness is ruling the universe. That is how the universe, with all these varieties and differences, is being run all the time in perfect order — all the time in perfect order. One God is also right; many gods is also right.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil hat time!
On 10/1/2014 10:50 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: The real psychological study should be of the 9-11 Deniers, those who just go with the official story in spite of the questions surrounding 9-11... /We are still waiting for any new evidence so we can make up our own mind.//What questions do you have? // //'Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report'// //http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. Fascinating for you maybe. For me I don't separate the world into God believers and non God believers - that would be far too tiresome and closed-minded. And I certainly don't spend time worrying about who believes what when it comes to religion or gods or the Easter Bunny for that matter. One day, bawee, you might try giving yourself a break and just letting it go; stop worrying about changing or even critiquing upon what others believe or don't believe. You get yourself so het up about it I am surprised you havent' had a stroke (or maybe you have). Now you speak below about others trying to convert people to believe in God. Isn't your point of this little post to try and convert the believers into non-believers or at least to denigrate their beliefs? Of course it is, you silly man. The little poster below featuring the babies as atheists was funny though. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of: And representing the God-lovers, here's a lovely quote that arrived in my inbox just now: QUESTION: Is there one God, or are there many gods? MAHARISHI: If there are many gods, they must be working together as one God in order to keep all ends of the vast, expanding universe functioning in good coordination with each other. So we would not mind if there are many gods; we would not mind if there is one God. Whether many gods or one God, there definitely is the infinite diversity of the ever-expanding universe. Look to these words: 'infinite diversity of the ever-expanding universe', that is being administered by someone or many functioning in good faith with each other. It does not matter whether one or many. If someone believes there is one, he says, 'You are right; He can be one.' Or if there are many, many also will be functioning as one, unified. It is not that one [god] says, 'Yes, I will do this,' and the others say, 'No, I cannot do this.' It is not a matter of voting. It is a matter of acting in union with each other. One God or many gods, it does not matter. Whether one or many, it does not matter. Whatever we like, we can choose. There must be many, many gods to take care of many, many galaxies and many, many individuals, yes? There are so many species: tigers are there, monkeys are there, elephants are there, men are there. And men are living in North Pole and South Pole and here and there and there and there. So there must be many, many representations or representatives of God if there is one God, or no harm saying all gods. But all gods are in a perfect unified state. That means Unity Consciousness is ruling the universe. That is how the universe, with all these varieties and differences, is being run all the time in perfect order — all the time in perfect order. One God is also right; many gods is also right. Thanks for the quote. You can really feel MMY in this one. I am not sure I agree with all of it but that's not the point, is it? The point is that there are many ways to view the universe and many of them can be right, all at the same time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year. And someone should add that witnessing sleep may not mean shit. One of my science article clients runs a sleep clinic, so when writing articles about sleep disorders I've learned a few interesting things. Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that they Never fall asleep. Their subjective experience is that they never lose conscious awareness, so they're worried that they've got a sleep disorder, even though they display no symptoms of sleep deprivation. When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity. It's just that they never lose their subjective awareness. In other words, a part of them is always awake, witnessing their subjective experience as they navigate the entire range of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. In the decade my client's practice has been open, he has treated maybe a couple of dozen people who report this. All of them are just normal people off the street. Not one of them meditates. Go figure. And your point is what? Oh wait, there is no point, you were just using the witnessing sleep subject to show how stupid TM'ers are. Got it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I remember one time when the Fred Lenz - Rama guy did that to me, and I called him on it. We were on one of our field trips, this time I think i the Louvre in Paris -- no guided tours or anything, just 100 or so Rama students wandering around the galleries, sometimes running into him, sometimes not. /It must cost upwards of $10,000 each to get 100 students from Sante Fe, NM or Los Angeles, CA over to Paris France and inside the Louvre to look at some paintings. Not to mention the cost of putting Rama up at the Ritz -15 pl. Vendôme for a few days. Go figure./
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like from the enlightened test subjects to the question Describe your self: L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies . . . my experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. It's immeasurably vast. . . on a physical level. It is not just restricted to this physical environment L2: It's the ‘‘I am-ness.’’ It's my Being. There's just a channel underneath that's just underlying everything. It's my essence there and it just doesn't stop where I stop. . . by ‘‘I,’’ I mean this 5 ft. 2 person that moves around here and there L3: I look out and see this beautiful divine Intelligence. . . you could say in the sky, in the tree, but really being expressed through these things. . . and these are my Self L4: I experience myself as being without edges or content. . . beyond the universe. . . all-pervading, and being absolutely thrilled, absolutely delighted with every motion that my body makes. With everything that my eyes see, my ears hear, my nose smells. There's a delight in the sense that I am able to penetrate that. My consciousness, my intelligence pervades everything I see, feel and think L5: When I say ’’I’’ that's the Self. There's a quality that is so pervasive about the Self that I'm quite sure that the ‘‘I’’ is the same ‘‘I’’ as everyone else's ‘‘I.’’ Not in terms of what follows right after. I am tall, I am short, I am fat, I am this, I am that. But the ‘‘I’’ part. The ‘‘I am’’ part is the same ‘‘I am’’ for you and me I describe myself as L4, beginning with absolutely. I think I'm a little bit of this and a little bit of that - kind of like what my husband and I ordered off the thai menu last night when we had: #9, #22 with tofu, #13, #55 and #60. We like to experience lots of tastes and we still have some left over for lunch today just in case you noticed that was a lot to eat for just two people.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Yeah he does. That Rama Lenz is a piece of shit, whom I wouldn't have given five minutes of my time. The fact that he got screwed the shit out, by that conman is rankling deep inside him. Bariatric pretends to be detached, but the fact is, Jim and Lawson drive him crazy. His hatred for Judy is so great that he reads every single post of hers. By the way, here is Kali Barbie. http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09... http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg View on www.vancouverdesi.com http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg Preview by Yahoo --- steve.sundur@... wrote : Not sure what you are saying below Barry. Likely the usual basket of insults, mocking etc. But, what you probably miss, is that your beliefs pretty much check all the boxes for being a classic theist. Now, I know that goes against the meme you have of yourself as Barry Wright, hipster, renegade, rebel with an anti TM cause, but thems the facts. Ain't no thang. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés http://www.joelpares.com/ photos are below in the HuffPo article, others at the link under his name. 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereot... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Terrorist. Gangster. Stripper. Landscaper. When people are viewed as stereotypes, they're labeled on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. P... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html Preview by Yahoo Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads. The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil hat time!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 10:50 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The real psychological study should be of the 9-11 Deniers, those who just go with the official story in spite of the questions surrounding 9-11... We are still waiting for any new evidence so we can make up our own mind. What questions do you have? 'Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report' Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842 http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842 Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842 Popular Mechanics examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11. View on www.popularmechan... http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842 Preview by Yahoo Simpler still, I was there. Police and firefighters reported exactly what I saw. Everyone in the area agreed. That is stronger confirmation than any commentator removed by distance and time who used their analysis and imagination. I gotta believe my lying eyes and those of the thousands of people who shared that experience with me. Bhairitu, in this case I'm thinking that you just may have seen one too many movies about all this. Stick with What You Know to Be True.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year. And someone should add that witnessing sleep may not mean shit. One of my science article clients runs a sleep clinic, so when writing articles about sleep disorders I've learned a few interesting things. Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that they Never fall asleep. Their subjective experience is that they never lose conscious awareness, so they're worried that they've got a sleep disorder, even though they display no symptoms of sleep deprivation. When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity. It's just that they never lose their subjective awareness. In other words, a part of them is always awake, witnessing their subjective experience as they navigate the entire range of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. In the decade my client's practice has been open, he has treated maybe a couple of dozen people who report this. All of them are just normal people off the street. Not one of them meditates. Go figure. And your point is what? Oh wait, there is no point, you were just using the witnessing sleep subject to show how stupid TM'ers are. Got it. Confounded Barry REALLY DOES BELIEVE that he can confound others. But that's another kettle of fish. Still tragic though.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I remember one time when the Fred Lenz - Rama guy did that to me, and I called him on it. We were on one of our field trips, this time I think i the Louvre in Paris -- no guided tours or anything, just 100 or so Rama students wandering around the galleries, sometimes running into him, sometimes not. It must cost upwards of $10,000 each to get 100 students from Sante Fe, NM or Los Angeles, CA over to Paris France and inside the Louvre to look at some paintings. Not to mention the cost of putting Rama up at the Ritz -15 pl. Vendôme for a few days. Go figure. And all that just to display his talents at losing them in the museum. The sound like children losing their parent at the museum, who are overjoyed at their reunion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like from the enlightened test subjects to the question Describe your self: L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies . . . my experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. It's immeasurably vast. . . on a physical level. It is not just restricted to this physical environment L2: It's the ‘‘I am-ness.’’ It's my Being. There's just a channel underneath that's just underlying everything. It's my essence there and it just doesn't stop where I stop. . . by ‘‘I,’’ I mean this 5 ft. 2 person that moves around here and there L3: I look out and see this beautiful divine Intelligence. . . you could say in the sky, in the tree, but really being expressed through these things. . . and these are my Self L4: I experience myself as being without edges or content. . . beyond the universe. . . all-pervading, and being absolutely thrilled, absolutely delighted with every motion that my body makes. With everything that my eyes see, my ears hear, my nose smells. There's a delight in the sense that I am able to penetrate that. My consciousness, my intelligence pervades everything I see, feel and think L5: When I say ’’I’’ that's the Self. There's a quality that is so pervasive about the Self that I'm quite sure that the ‘‘I’’ is the same ‘‘I’’ as everyone else's ‘‘I.’’ Not in terms of what follows right after. I am tall, I am short, I am fat, I am this, I am that. But the ‘‘I’’ part. The ‘‘I am’’ part is the same ‘‘I am’’ for you and me I describe myself as L4, beginning with absolutely. I think I'm a little bit of this and a little bit of that - kind of like what my husband and I ordered off the thai menu last night when we had: #9, #22 with tofu, #13, #55 and #60. We like to experience lots of tastes and we still have some left over for lunch today just in case you noticed that was a lot to eat for just two people. Dear Ann, Thank you for the lunch invitation. You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to be invited. We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a hearty appetite. Your appreciative guests. P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma)
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: So I found myself in this Egyptian room looking down at a glass exhibit that contained a sarcophagus and a well-preserved body. I was quite taken with the bones of this guy's face, and was standing there looking at it when Rama walked up behind me, looked down, and said, Yep, that was you, all right. /Speaking of Kings and pedigree, Barry COULD have been a famous pharoah in Egypt 3,000 years ago; and maybe he could have afforded a sarcophagus inside a large pyramid in Giza next to the ///Sphynx/; and maybe he did reincarnate as Barry Wright - who knows? The problem is that if so, Barry then would have gone from being a wealthy Egyptian King - down to being a part-time scribe for a science magazine just to be able to pay the rent. I wonder what Barry did for him to be reincarnated as a nobody - it must be pretty depressing to have that kind of karma hanging over your shoulder. Go figure./
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year. And someone should add that witnessing sleep may not mean shit. One of my science article clients runs a sleep clinic, so when writing articles about sleep disorders I've learned a few interesting things. Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that they Never fall asleep. Their subjective experience is that they never lose conscious awareness, so they're worried that they've got a sleep disorder, even though they display no symptoms of sleep deprivation. When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity. It's just that they never lose their subjective awareness. In other words, a part of them is always awake, witnessing their subjective experience as they navigate the entire range of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. In the decade my client's practice has been open, he has treated maybe a couple of dozen people who report this. All of them are just normal people off the street. Not one of them meditates. Go figure. And your point is what? Oh wait, there is no point, you were just using the witnessing sleep subject to show how stupid TM'ers are. Got it. Confounded Barry REALLY DOES BELIEVE that he can confound others. But that's another kettle of fish. Still tragic though. I must step away from the discussion for a brief time. I have, just now, located a copy of Sleep and Dreams Compiled By Jayne Gackenback in my library. Jayne did her work near some of you, at the University of Northern Iowa, so some may know her. I'll report back. Cheers!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Thank you, Dan. It feels like a pretty powerful time, High Holy Days coinciding
with Nine Days of Mother Divine. Victory Day tomorrow...
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:10 AM, danfriedman2002
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
Dearest Share,
May your words serve as a guiding light for all who hear.
My observance:
Yom Kippur (Hebrew: יוֹם כִּפּוּר or יום הכיפורים), Also known as Day of
Atonement, is the holiest day of the year for the Jews. Its central themes are
atonement and repentance. Yom Kippur completes the annual period known in
Judaism as the High Holy Days (or sometimes the Days of Awe). On Thursday,
October 2, 2014 6:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images
to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his
point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic
groups, they seem to have an internal image of them based on the imprint of
years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then project onto the
person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all.
I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially
regarding a few people who some people love to hate. It doesn't seem to
matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see
them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using
the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their internal image of
the person they dislike always wins, leaving them unable to see any other
aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés photos are
below in the HuffPo article, others at the link underhis name.
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Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way
that a number of people react to the word Atheist. It should be pretty clear
at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong*
aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an
Atheist is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the
word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can
do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the
internal image of Atheists they carry around inside their heads.
The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from
it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to convert
those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't
think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in
mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of
Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
--- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest. I think share is a little confused. Love and hate are extremes. Like and dislike are moderation. The phil of Gita is to be moderate and maintain equipose. Compassion is a tracendental quality. Passion is a terrestrial quality. Maharishi in his BG commentary does mention that the enlightened man does have likes and dislikes.
[FairfieldLife] Welcome back Pluto!
Must be a frustrating time to be an astrologer, they just get used to pretending they have some sort of psychological and predictive use for poor old Pluto - after all those centuries not knowing about it - when the astronomical world decide it was never a planet at all! But now it's back so we can start taking note of the effects it's having on us again. Is Pluto about to be reinstated as a planet? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/is-pluto-about-to-be-reinstated-as-a-planet-9769753.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
Lenglish I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year. What was the measurement / validation criteria for witnessing sleep? The validity and usefulness of the studies findings correlate with the degree of witnessing sleep validation, with simply self-reporting being on the low end of the scale. Problems with self-reporting are extensive. Among them, words and concepts mean different things to different people. Two people have the same experience may rate themselves differently (Yes vs No) due to differences in how they interpret witnessing sleep. Second, in a sub-culture that places value and status on witnessing sleep, a me too, look at me phenomenon may arise when asked if one witnesses sleep. Third, related to the above, may be wish fulfillment -- the mind takes strands of experience that may relate to witnessing sleep and weaves a satisfying interpretation such that one actual believes they are witnessing sleep when in fact they are not. Fourth, subjects often try to please researchers telling them what they think the researchers want to hear. Many other weaknesses.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I
might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. I LOVE LISTENING-IN ON WOMEN TALKING OF LOVE. KINDA HELPS. back to the book On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
[FairfieldLife] The mystery of the origin of water...
Something to think about next time you have a drink of water. http://www.popsci.com/article/science/earths-water-older-sun http://www.popsci.com/article/science/earths-water-older-sun
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Who wouldn't want to be told that you're the reincarnation of a god? /Non sequitur. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence. The Rama mentioned in the Ramayama by Valmiki was a deified hero, not a god. Apparently you thought your TM mantra was the name of god - Ram, maybe left over from your days spent as the Pharoah Ram in Upper Egypt.//No wonder you were attracted to the Zen Master Rama. It's all just a karmic mix-up. Go figure./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: People will believe anything that makes them feel more important. If they've gotten to the point in their self discovery where they gain most of their personal sense of self-worth from the teacher they study with, they'll also believe anything that seems to make that teacher seem more important. /There's no doubt that your teacher, Lenz, could levitate higher than any of my teachers, if that kind of stage magic is important to you in order for you to have any sense of self-worth. It must have been a devastating to your ego when your teacher failed to float on water (RIP). Do you think you will ever get over it? Maybe in a next life?/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
Turquoise said: ...And someone should add that witnessing sleep may not mean shit. ... Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that they Never fall asleep. ... When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity Of the four stages of Non-REM sleep, in Stage 1, upon wakening, one may feel as if he or she has not slept. In Stage 2, muscles relax, we lose consciousness of the environment, etc as a preparation for deep sleep. This is not yet deep sleep and a sense of inner wakefulness in Stage 2 is more likely than in deep sleep. Stages 3 and 4 are the deep sleep states. However, as we age, Stages 3 and 4 become less, often significantly. Stage 1 and 2 of Non REM sleep are more conducive of the experience of being awake / conscious (though not necessarily of the environment). Those past 50 and / or with sleep disorders that reduce or eliminate stage 3 and 4 stage non REM sleep may be more likely to experience witnessing sleep. Reduction or elimination of Stage 3 and 4 Non REM sleep is not a good thing. A strong Stage 3 and 4 sleep architecture is important for many sleep and waking functions. Lack of sleep (not exclusively stage 3 and 4, however, however weak stage 3 and 4 negatively affect other sleep stages) contributes to lower proficiency in most cognitive functions, including memory consolidation and working memory. Working memory is a highly critical factor in intelligence and performance across a wide span of activities. Lack of adequate sleep also contributes to attention disorders, including the tendency of the mind to wander, not being able to sustain attention on a focussed task. Sparaig points out that the study shows positive correlation of witnessing sleep with wandering mind -- which raises the question of whether (one of many possible hypotheses and models ) the states experienced by the subjects are due to reduced quality of sleep (poor stage 3 and 4 sleep architectured) resulting in attention deficits, reduced working memory capacity, and subsequent reduction of applied intelligence .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!
On 10/1/2014 11:17 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard sounds really scared! Go figger. /The conspiracy is to keep the victims out of Walnut Creek, which may prove impossible.//That's what I figure./ On 10/01/2014 04:30 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, conspiracy, terrorism or neither, we now have Patient Zero in the US. Forget Alaska! Yahoo had the following article on page 1 this morning: Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html image http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself fr... http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak View on www.naturalnews.com http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html Preview by Yahoo On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:15 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 9/30/2014 7:46 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com mailto:sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bhairitu, I never thought of PTSD in the context of such events. But of course it makes perfect sense. Plus, spin meisters can use any situation, such as the ebola outbreak, to engender fear in people. /The current Ebola conspiracy story is probably being perpetrated by the same group that spun the 9/11 WTC conspiracy story. But, if the WTC was a conspiracy, then the Ebola conspiracy may be true as well, in which case we should probably move to Alaska where there are no people or tall buildings./ On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:48 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: To me 9-11 appears to be the first Shock and Awe operation for the endless war campaign. It gave much of the public PTSD. Recently I witnessed a much smaller version of that with the recent earthquake we had here. People were out-of-sorts for days. I'm amused at the reactions I'm getting here and after all you started this this thread. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
--- sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. Maybe you are meaning this below. (1 Corinthians 13) If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. --- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!
/The key word in this quiz is MIGHT have ebola.// // //We don't know who has the ebola virus, you can't screen for it - until they show symptoms of being infected. And, you can't get the ebola virus from someone who shows no symptoms. The real problem is that it is the immediate family members that most often becomes infected when the symptoms do show up, and that's when the whole family gets exposed and then infected - and from there it's an exponential pandemic spreading around./ On 10/1/2014 11:31 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 1, 2014 6:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time! Richard sounds really scared! Go figger. On 10/01/2014 04:30 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com mailto:sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, conspiracy, terrorism or neither, we now have Patient Zero in the US. Forget Alaska! Yahoo had the following article on page 1 this morning: Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html image http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself fr... http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak View on www.naturalnews.com http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html Preview by Yahoo On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:15 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com mailto:pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 9/30/2014 7:46 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com mailto:sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bhairitu, I never thought of PTSD in the context of such events. But of course it makes perfect sense. Plus, spin meisters can use any situation, such as the ebola outbreak, to engender fear in people. /The current Ebola conspiracy story is probably being perpetrated by the same group that spun the 9/11 WTC conspiracy story. But, if the WTC was a conspiracy, then the Ebola conspiracy may be true as well, in which case we should probably move to Alaska where there are no people or tall buildings./ On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:48 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: To me 9-11 appears to be the first Shock and Awe operation for the endless war campaign. It gave much of the public PTSD. Recently I witnessed a much smaller version of that with the recent earthquake we had here. People were out-of-sorts for days. I'm amused at the reactions I'm getting here and after all you started this this thread. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
On 10/1/2014 11:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the millions -- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have been killed in this planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all the killing had just said, Fuck this, and gone home. /Good point. So, I wonder why the Netherlands fought a 100-year war to oust the Spaniards.//Why didn't the numbnuts just bend over and enjoy the Moors? Go figure./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Jedi, love is often called an emotion but I think it is way more than that. As
such it is beyond any dualities. Tolle said that Being has three attributes,
peace, joy and love. I agree with him.
I would say that evolution is love in action.
How I'd interpret vs. 10 of St. Paul's quote: when a person operates from the
Being attribute of love, they see perfection everywhere. That is how
imperfection disappears.
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:11 AM, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
--- sharelong60@... wrote :
Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.
In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of
emotions. All other emotions evolved later.
Maybe you are meaning this below.
(1 Corinthians 13)
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not
love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If
I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and
all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move
mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all
I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,
but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love
is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not
proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not
easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does
not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always
protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will
cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where
there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part
and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the
imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith,
hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.
--- sharelong60@... wrote :
I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
--- awoelflebater@... wrote :
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I
might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed
because one is being honest.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
On 10/01/2014 09:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 1, 2014 6:38 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS I was listening to an interview of a prominent Christian leader in Baghdad who fears ISIS is nearing an attack on the city. He has about 32 Iraqi army body guards. He asked one , what would he do if he saw ISIS coming at him and the soldier said that he would discard his uniform and run. The clergyman asked why he was a soldier if he wouldn't do his duty. The soldier replied that he just needs the money, a job, inferring there was no sense of duty or patriotism. I'm afraid this is typical of the Iraqi army. Wasn't this the norm during the first and second Iraq wars? Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the millions -- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have been killed in this planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all the killing had just said, Fuck this, and gone home. However they also did this during the Gulf War. I don't think Saddam wanted a strong military as he probably feared they would overthrow him. He had his loyal secret police instead. I also don't think the US wanted a strong military there or they would overthrow the puppets we put in place. Maybe we should export some of our cowboy cops to Iraq who would make quick work of ISIS. And if ISIS really actually tried to do something in the US our gun nuts would make quick work of them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!
I believe there is a blood test for ebola. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : The key word in this quiz is MIGHT have ebola. We don't know who has the ebola virus, you can't screen for it - until they show symptoms of being infected. And, you can't get the ebola virus from someone who shows no symptoms. The real problem is that it is the immediate family members that most often becomes infected when the symptoms do show up, and that's when the whole family gets exposed and then infected - and from there it's an exponential pandemic spreading around. On 10/1/2014 11:31 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time! Richard sounds really scared! Go figger. On 10/01/2014 04:30 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, conspiracy, terrorism or neither, we now have Patient Zero in the US. Forget Alaska! Yahoo had the following article on page 1 this morning: Topten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself fr... Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak View on www.naturalnews.com Preview by Yahoo On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:15 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 9/30/2014 7:46 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bhairitu,I never thought of PTSD in the context of such events. But of course it makes perfect sense. Plus, spin meisters can use any situation, such as the ebola outbreak, to engender fear in people. The current Ebola conspiracy story is probably being perpetrated by the same group that spun the 9/11 WTC conspiracy story. But, if the WTC was a conspiracy, then the Ebola conspiracy may be true as well, in which case we should probably move to Alaska where there are no people or tall buildings. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:48 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: To me 9-11 appears to be the first Shock and Awe operation for the endless war campaign. It gave much of the public PTSD. Recently I witnessed a much smaller version of that with the recent earthquake we had here. People were out-of-sorts for days. I'm amused at the reactions I'm getting here and after all you started this this thread. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome back Pluto!
Jyotish only uses the visible planets not the outer ones. It's tropical astrology that wants not only to use Pluto but asteroids as well. But I guess the ice people of Plutoria must want a vote on this. ;-) On 10/02/2014 07:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Must be a frustrating time to be an astrologer, they just get used to pretending they have some sort of psychological and predictive use for poor old Pluto - after all those centuries not knowing about it - when the astronomical world decide it was never a planet at all! But now it's back so we can start taking note of the effects it's having on us again. Is Pluto about to be reinstated as a planet? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/is-pluto-about-to-be-reinstated-as-a-planet-9769753.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
Witnessing sleep isn't directly correlated with wandering mind.: The EEG pattern and general location of active brain centers during pure consciousness is similar to normal mind wandering except the EEG is a bit slower, far more coherent and the power in the EEG frequencies that are associated with active thinking and perception are lower. As Maharishi sez, the mind has been allowed to wander towards its level of least excitation. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Turquoise said: ...And someone should add that witnessing sleep may not mean shit. ... Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that they Never fall asleep. ... When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity Of the four stages of Non-REM sleep, in Stage 1, upon wakening, one may feel as if he or she has not slept. In Stage 2, muscles relax, we lose consciousness of the environment, etc as a preparation for deep sleep. This is not yet deep sleep and a sense of inner wakefulness in Stage 2 is more likely than in deep sleep. Stages 3 and 4 are the deep sleep states. However, as we age, Stages 3 and 4 become less, often significantly. Stage 1 and 2 of Non REM sleep are more conducive of the experience of being awake / conscious (though not necessarily of the environment). Those past 50 and / or with sleep disorders that reduce or eliminate stage 3 and 4 stage non REM sleep may be more likely to experience witnessing sleep. Reduction or elimination of Stage 3 and 4 Non REM sleep is not a good thing. A strong Stage 3 and 4 sleep architecture is important for many sleep and waking functions. Lack of sleep (not exclusively stage 3 and 4, however, however weak stage 3 and 4 negatively affect other sleep stages) contributes to lower proficiency in most cognitive functions, including memory consolidation and working memory. Working memory is a highly critical factor in intelligence and performance across a wide span of activities. Lack of adequate sleep also contributes to attention disorders, including the tendency of the mind to wander, not being able to sustain attention on a focussed task. Sparaig points out that the study shows positive correlation of witnessing sleep with wandering mind -- which raises the question of whether (one of many possible hypotheses and models ) the states experienced by the subjects are due to reduced quality of sleep (poor stage 3 and 4 sleep architectured) resulting in attention deficits, reduced working memory capacity, and subsequent reduction of applied intelligence .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
funnily enough, Dan, one of my favorite writings about love is from a man,
Emmet Fox:LOVE
There is no difficulty that enough love will not conquer;
No disease that enough love will not heal;
No door that enough love will not open;
No gulf that enough love will not bridge;
No wall that enough love will not throw down;
No sin that enough love will not redeem...
It makes no difference how deeply seated may be the trouble;
How hopeless the outlook;
How muddled the tangle;
How great the mistake;
A sufficient realization of love will dissolve it all...
If only you could love enough you would be the happiest and most powerful being
in the world. - Emmet Fox
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 9:45 AM, danfriedman2002
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.
I LOVE LISTENING-IN ON WOMEN TALKING OF LOVE.
KINDA HELPS.
back to the book
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I
might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed
because one is being honest.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
The subjects self-reported having pure consciousness at all times, including witnessing sleep, as i understand it. And the measures included EEG, not just interview questions. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Lenglish I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year. What was the measurement / validation criteria for witnessing sleep? The validity and usefulness of the studies findings correlate with the degree of witnessing sleep validation, with simply self-reporting being on the low end of the scale. Problems with self-reporting are extensive. Among them, words and concepts mean different things to different people. Two people have the same experience may rate themselves differently (Yes vs No) due to differences in how they interpret witnessing sleep. Second, in a sub-culture that places value and status on witnessing sleep, a me too, look at me phenomenon may arise when asked if one witnesses sleep. Third, related to the above, may be wish fulfillment -- the mind takes strands of experience that may relate to witnessing sleep and weaves a satisfying interpretation such that one actual believes they are witnessing sleep when in fact they are not. Fourth, subjects often try to please researchers telling them what they think the researchers want to hear. Many other weaknesses.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil hat time!
On 10/02/2014 07:02 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 10:50 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The real psychological study should be of the 9-11 Deniers, those who just go with the official story in spite of the questions surrounding 9-11... /We are still waiting for any new evidence so we can make up our own mind.//What questions do you have? // //'Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report'// //Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842 image http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842 Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842 Popular Mechanics examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11. View on www.popularmechan... http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842 Preview by Yahoo / Simpler still, I was there. Police and firefighters reported exactly what I saw. Everyone in the area agreed. That is stronger confirmation than any commentator removed by distance and time who used their analysis and imagination. I gotta believe my lying eyes and those of the thousands of people who shared that experience with me. Bhairitu, in this case I'm thinking that you just may have seen one too many movies about all this. Stick with What You Know to Be True. You mean like the police and firefighters who heard unexplained explosions going off in the building? Tell us what you saw. I'll stick with my investigation. Willy probably gets his expertise on meditation and tantra from Popular Mechanics too. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
The discussion is the conclusion, the typical end of any scientific paper. If this section is missing, what was the point of the paper? This part of the paper tells the reader what the researcher considers the conclusion drawn from the results of the study, often suggesting further lines of research etc. The words 'cosmic consciousness' nor its abbreviation 'CC' does not appear in this summing up of the research, though these terms appear appears prominently earlier in the paper; the abbreviation CC does not appear in the paper. That is rather curious. For the reader not familiar with this terminology, the connexion might not be drawn. I have had awareness during sleep as the result of medications (a long time ago), awareness during sleep might have other causes, so I think Fred down peddled the result in not making more of it at the end. While awareness during sleep is a common phenomenon in spiritual traditions it is so far not a standard way of describing consciousness in scientific circles. Perhaps Fred is not trying to push the envelope here. But not re-mentioning CC as one of the points of the paper and only mentioning it as an 'integration of transcendental experiences' kind of dilutes the effect of states of consciousness he seems to be promoting in the paper. I do not consider any of the states of consciousness as states of consciousness. Consciousness is mysterious and it is integral, always the same, Fred is describing states of the mind, which seem to be the results of the functioning of the brain. Consciousness, while we all know it is there, has no scientific definition, and you cannot define states of something which is undefined. Consciousness is the one undefined and undefinable value of human experience, and I think it will remain outside the purview of research. But we will find out a lot about the brain and its functioning. What Fred is researching is the contents of consciousness, the variable aspects of experience. If consciousness is absolute, it cannot have variable states. The nature of absolute does not really come into experience clearly until BC; until then you have 'reflections' of various states of mind in consciousness. And as I said, Fred probably has his hands tied, since at least while at MUM under the eye of the TMO, he cannot come to too many conclusions that contradict movement philosophy. All the research you cite is a prequel to CC, mostly a foretelling of CC, hinting at CC, so it does not have much relevance to enlightenment, as even UC is unfinished business in the enlightenment realm. And once that business is over, everything is back where you started. Much Ado about Nothing. There have been people who have gone from WC to BC in a flash, so all the intermediate stuff is technically not necessary because enlightenment does not reveal anything that was not already present in WC, although in practice one seems to need to 'do stuff' to come to realisation. All that that happens is certain mistaken thoughts we have about life, go away, finally. And then life goes on, as it always had. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either. Er, talk about selective quoting. There's no conclusion section, but the discussion section, which you only partially quote, actually starts out talking about the integration of transcendental experiences with waking, dreaming and sleeping (CC). To suggest that he doesn't mention it when its the first line of the first paragraph, is, well, overtly deceptive: Discussion Brain patterns that defined transcendental experiences during TM practice and the integration of transcendental experiences with waking, dreaming, and sleeping were mainly found in frontal brain areas. This suggests that frontal circuits may play a critical role in transcendental experiences and the growth of higher states of consciousness. These states could be called higher states in that (1) the subject/object relationship is different in these states compared to waking, sleeping, and dreaming; (2) the sense of self is more expanded in these states; and (3) the physiological patterns are distinct from those during waking, dreaming, and sleeping. The development of higher states may be an extension of the developmental trajectory that began as a toddler and continued into adulthood, supporting the emergence of adult abstract reasoning. Brain development begins in posterior sensory areas, which myelinate by age four. Posterior areas process sensory experiences and create the concrete present. Activity in posterior areas are associated with the first two stages of cognitive development described by Piaget—the sensorimotor and preoperational stages.[53]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
Did you miss that this was a review paper, not a study? and the very definition of CC is the integration of transcendental experiences with waking, dreaming, and sleeping so the fact that he doesn't use CC should be taken that he is talking to a mainstream audience, rather than some group of TMers. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The discussion is the conclusion, the typical end of any scientific paper. If this section is missing, what was the point of the paper? This part of the paper tells the reader what the researcher considers the conclusion drawn from the results of the study, often suggesting further lines of research etc. The words 'cosmic consciousness' nor its abbreviation 'CC' does not appear in this summing up of the research, though these terms appear appears prominently earlier in the paper; the abbreviation CC does not appear in the paper. That is rather curious. For the reader not familiar with this terminology, the connexion might not be drawn. I have had awareness during sleep as the result of medications (a long time ago), awareness during sleep might have other causes, so I think Fred down peddled the result in not making more of it at the end. While awareness during sleep is a common phenomenon in spiritual traditions it is so far not a standard way of describing consciousness in scientific circles. Perhaps Fred is not trying to push the envelope here. But not re-mentioning CC as one of the points of the paper and only mentioning it as an 'integration of transcendental experiences' kind of dilutes the effect of states of consciousness he seems to be promoting in the paper. I do not consider any of the states of consciousness as states of consciousness. Consciousness is mysterious and it is integral, always the same, Fred is describing states of the mind, which seem to be the results of the functioning of the brain. Consciousness, while we all know it is there, has no scientific definition, and you cannot define states of something which is undefined. Consciousness is the one undefined and undefinable value of human experience, and I think it will remain outside the purview of research. But we will find out a lot about the brain and its functioning. What Fred is researching is the contents of consciousness, the variable aspects of experience. If consciousness is absolute, it cannot have variable states. The nature of absolute does not really come into experience clearly until BC; until then you have 'reflections' of various states of mind in consciousness. And as I said, Fred probably has his hands tied, since at least while at MUM under the eye of the TMO, he cannot come to too many conclusions that contradict movement philosophy. All the research you cite is a prequel to CC, mostly a foretelling of CC, hinting at CC, so it does not have much relevance to enlightenment, as even UC is unfinished business in the enlightenment realm. And once that business is over, everything is back where you started. Much Ado about Nothing. There have been people who have gone from WC to BC in a flash, so all the intermediate stuff is technically not necessary because enlightenment does not reveal anything that was not already present in WC, although in practice one seems to need to 'do stuff' to come to realisation. All that that happens is certain mistaken thoughts we have about life, go away, finally. And then life goes on, as it always had. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either. Er, talk about selective quoting. There's no conclusion section, but the discussion section, which you only partially quote, actually starts out talking about the integration of transcendental experiences with waking, dreaming and sleeping (CC). To suggest that he doesn't mention it when its the first line of the first paragraph, is, well, overtly deceptive: Discussion Brain patterns that defined transcendental experiences during TM practice and the integration of transcendental experiences with waking, dreaming, and sleeping were mainly found in frontal brain areas. This suggests that frontal circuits may play a critical role in transcendental experiences and the growth of higher states of consciousness. These states could be called higher states in that (1) the subject/object relationship is different in these states compared to waking, sleeping, and dreaming; (2) the sense of self is more expanded in these states; and (3) the physiological patterns are distinct from those during waking, dreaming, and sleeping. The development of higher states may be an extension of the developmental trajectory that began as a toddler and continued into adulthood, supporting
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like from the enlightened test subjects to the question Describe your self: L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies . . . my experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. It's immeasurably vast. . . on a physical level. It is not just restricted to this physical environment L2: It's the ‘‘I am-ness.’’ It's my Being. There's just a channel underneath that's just underlying everything. It's my essence there and it just doesn't stop where I stop. . . by ‘‘I,’’ I mean this 5 ft. 2 person that moves around here and there L3: I look out and see this beautiful divine Intelligence. . . you could say in the sky, in the tree, but really being expressed through these things. . . and these are my Self L4: I experience myself as being without edges or content. . . beyond the universe. . . all-pervading, and being absolutely thrilled, absolutely delighted with every motion that my body makes. With everything that my eyes see, my ears hear, my nose smells. There's a delight in the sense that I am able to penetrate that. My consciousness, my intelligence pervades everything I see, feel and think L5: When I say ’’I’’ that's the Self. There's a quality that is so pervasive about the Self that I'm quite sure that the ‘‘I’’ is the same ‘‘I’’ as everyone else's ‘‘I.’’ Not in terms of what follows right after. I am tall, I am short, I am fat, I am this, I am that. But the ‘‘I’’ part. The ‘‘I am’’ part is the same ‘‘I am’’ for you and me I describe myself as L4, beginning with absolutely. I think I'm a little bit of this and a little bit of that - kind of like what my husband and I ordered off the thai menu last night when we had: #9, #22 with tofu, #13, #55 and #60. We like to experience lots of tastes and we still have some left over for lunch today just in case you noticed that was a lot to eat for just two people. Dear Ann, Thank you for the lunch invitation. You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to be invited. We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a hearty appetite. Your appreciative guests. P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma) I would be most honored to make your wife's acquiantance. She could do the ordering making sure to absolutely get a #4 for you and afterwards we could all talk about art. Are we meeting in Victoria or in NYC? If so I will have to have a visit with my niece in Brooklyn. She is an artist too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it sounds like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this is not your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day experience. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Love may be an emotion, an attribute of Being, a dominant quality in higher states, etc, but it also has a neurological and brain chemical basis (see below article as a starting point). I wonder a lot about this, including: To what extent does manifest love in higher states,particularly GC, living and ecstatic bhakti, devotion, etc depend upon these physical bases of love? If a researcher were to dramatically lower serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin and other key love-related chemicals (and/or modify receptors and activation potentials) in (validated) subjects experiencing sustained high/intense love, how would the love experience change? What role does meditation, yoga (including breath work) play in creating sustained and balanced levels of these brain chemicals (and related changes to receptors, activation potentials, etc)? Given many roads towards the enhanced levels of these chemicals (receptors, activation potentials, etc.) can these other modalities augment or even replace (or be a detriment to) traditional yogic / meditation practices and states? (following article is provided as a starting point, not definitive) Source: Wiki Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love The theory of a biological basis of love has been explored by such biological sciences as evolutionary psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology and... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love Preview by Yahoo Studies in neuroscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience have involved chemicals that are present in the brain and might be involved when people experience love. These chemicals include: nerve growth factor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_growth_factor,[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-8 testosterone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone, estrogen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen, dopamine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine, norepinephrine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine, serotonin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin, oxytocin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin, andvasopressin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasopressin.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-9 Adequate brain levels of testosterone seem important for both human male and female sexual behavior.[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-10 Dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin are more commonly found during the attraction phase of a relationship.[11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-11 Oxytocin and vasopressin seemed to be more closely linked to long term bonding and relationships characterized by strong attachments. … Serotonin Chemically, the serotonin effects of being infatuated have a similar chemical appearance to obsessive-compulsive disorder, which could explain why people experiencing infatuation cannot think of anyone else.[13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-13 For this reason some, such as anthropologist Helen Fisher, assert that taking SSRIs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_reuptake_inhibitor and other antidepressants impede one's ability to fall in love. In one particular case Fisher noted: I know of one couple on the edge of divorce. The wife was on an antidepressant. Then she went off it, started having orgasms once more, felt the renewal of sexual attraction for her husband, and they're now in love all over again.[14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-14 Oxytocin Simplified overview of the chemical basis of love. Main article: Oxytocin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin The long-term attachment felt after the initial in love passionate phase of the relationship ends is related to oxytocin, a chemical released after orgasm.[15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-15 Moreover, novelty triggers attraction. Even exercising for several minutes can make one more attracted to other people on account of increased heart rate and other physiological responses. Nerve growth factor In 2005, Italian scientists at Pavia University http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavia_University found that a protein molecule known as the nerve growth factor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_growth_factor (NGF) has high levels when people first fall in love, but these return to previous levels after one year. Specifically, four neurotrophin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotrophin levels (NGF, BDNF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDNF, NT-3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NT-3, and NT-4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NT-4) of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: People will believe anything that makes them feel more important. If they've gotten to the point in their self discovery where they gain most of their personal sense of self-worth from the teacher they study with, they'll also believe anything that seems to make that teacher seem more important. There's no doubt that your teacher, Lenz, could levitate higher than any of my teachers, if that kind of stage magic is important to you in order for you to have any sense of self-worth. It must have been a devastating to your ego when your teacher failed to float on water (RIP). Do you think you will ever get over it? Maybe in a next life? Sometimes, Ricky, you totally crack me up. You're in good form today, maybe you should go buy a lottery ticket.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest. I think share is a little confused. Love and hate are extremes. Like and dislike are moderation. The phil of Gita is to be moderate and maintain equipose. Compassion is a tracendental quality. Passion is a terrestrial quality. Maharishi in his BG commentary does mention that the enlightened man does have likes and dislikes. Interesting. I know that I am thankful for both the celestial and the terrestrial. There are times when I am passionately compassionate - feet on the ground, head in the clouds.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Turquoise said: ...And someone should add that witnessing sleep may not mean shit. ... Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that they Never fall asleep. ... When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity Of the four stages of Non-REM sleep, in Stage 1, upon wakening, one may feel as if he or she has not slept. In Stage 2, muscles relax, we lose consciousness of the environment, etc as a preparation for deep sleep. This is not yet deep sleep and a sense of inner wakefulness in Stage 2 is more likely than in deep sleep. Stages 3 and 4 are the deep sleep states. However, as we age, Stages 3 and 4 become less, often significantly. Stage 1 and 2 of Non REM sleep are more conducive of the experience of being awake / conscious (though not necessarily of the environment). Those past 50 and / or with sleep disorders that reduce or eliminate stage 3 and 4 stage non REM sleep may be more likely to experience witnessing sleep. Reduction or elimination of Stage 3 and 4 Non REM sleep is not a good thing. A strong Stage 3 and 4 sleep architecture is important for many sleep and waking functions. Lack of sleep (not exclusively stage 3 and 4, however, however weak stage 3 and 4 negatively affect other sleep stages) contributes to lower proficiency in most cognitive functions, including memory consolidation and working memory. Working memory is a highly critical factor in intelligence and performance across a wide span of activities. Lack of adequate sleep also contributes to attention disorders, including the tendency of the mind to wander, not being able to sustain attention on a focussed task. Sparaig points out that the study shows positive correlation of witnessing sleep with wandering mind -- which raises the question of whether (one of many possible hypotheses and models ) the states experienced by the subjects are due to reduced quality of sleep (poor stage 3 and 4 sleep architectured) resulting in attention deficits, reduced working memory capacity, and subsequent reduction of applied intelligence . I hope bawee is reading your posts because you sound like you know what you're talking about. It is a lot more refreshing than reading bawee's knee-jerk (did I say jerk?) simple-minded reactions to everything that exist merely to try and make others look ignorant and small. Stick around, you and Salyavin might have some things in common.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Ann, I bet everyone has experienced this deepest level of love at some point in
their lives. Actually, I think we ARE this, at our core. And life delivers
whatever we need to realize this and live it all the time. Which I don't. But
it's my intention.
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:07 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.
Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it sounds
like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this is not
your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day experience.
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I
might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed
because one is being honest.
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[FairfieldLife] Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
The criteria the Fred used to find his subjects in CC was that they had to have continuous integration of transcendental experiences (TE) with waking and sleeping for at least 1 year. The Cont-TE group. Two other groups were chosen as well: people who intended to learn TM but had not yet started and had rare (less than 1 per year -the Rare-TE group) transcendental experiences, and people who had been practicing TM for a while, but did not report frequent transcendental experiences outside of meditation (between 1 and 10 TE per year -the Occas-TE group). A semi-structured interview and two measures of TE were used to substantiate subjects’ self-reports of inner experiences. The two measures had been developed by non-TMers to measure frequency of transcendental experiences in the general population: Hood’s M-Scale from [Hood, R.W., 1975. The construction and preliminary validation of a measure of reported mystical experience. Journal of Scientific Study Religion 14, 29-41] and Baruss’s Physical-Transcendent Scale from [Baruss, E., Moore, R.J., 1992. Measurement of beliefs about consciousness and reality. Psychology Reports 71, 59-64] Group means for M-Scale were: Rare-TE:/18.19 +/-6.47; Occas-TE:/39.59 +/-3.15; Cont-TE:/60.79 +/-0.61. Group means for the Physical-Transcendent Scale were: Rare-TE:/35.79 +/-5.21; Occas-TE:/61.49 +/-4.71; Cont-TE:/84.19 +/-2.96. Various EEG and other physical measures were done as well as interview questions. The results were reported in two different papers: http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
seerdope, great stuff, great to have all this gathered in one place. Wish we could hook up a few people recognized as great lovers of humanity and this world, see what their brain chemistry looks like. I bet we'd see a combo of chemicals we've never seen before. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:08 PM, seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Love may be an emotion, an attribute of Being, a dominant quality in higher states, etc, but it also has a neurological and brain chemical basis (see below article as a starting point).I wonder a lot about this, including: To what extent does manifest love in higher states,particularly GC, living and ecstatic bhakti, devotion, etc depend upon these physical bases of love? If a researcher were to dramatically lower serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin and other key love-related chemicals (and/or modify receptors and activation potentials) in (validated) subjects experiencing sustained high/intense love, how would the love experience change? What role does meditation, yoga (including breath work) play in creating sustained and balanced levels of these brain chemicals (and related changes to receptors, activation potentials, etc)?Given many roads towards the enhanced levels of these chemicals (receptors, activation potentials, etc.) can these other modalities augment or even replace (or be a detriment to) traditional yogic / meditation practices and states? (following article is provided as a starting point, not definitive)Source:Wiki Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia || |||| Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... The theory of a biological basis of love has been explored by such biological sciences as evolutionary psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology and...|| | View on en.wikipedia.org |Preview by Yahoo| || Studiesin neuroscience have involved chemicals thatare present in the brain and might be involved when people experience love.These chemicals include: nerve growth factor,[8] testosterone, estrogen, dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin, oxytocin, andvasopressin.[9] Adequate brainlevels of testosterone seem important for both human male and female sexualbehavior.[10] Dopamine,norepinephrine, and serotonin are more commonly found during the attractionphase of a relationship.[11] Oxytocinand vasopressin seemed to be more closely linked to long term bonding andrelationships characterized by strong attachments. … Serotonin Chemically,the serotonin effects of being infatuated have a similar chemical appearance to obsessive-compulsivedisorder, which could explain why people experiencing infatuationcannot think of anyone else.[13] For this reasonsome, such as anthropologist Helen Fisher, assert that taking SSRIs andother antidepressants impede one's ability to fall in love. In one particularcase Fisher noted: Iknow of one couple on the edge of divorce. The wife was on an antidepressant.Then she went off it, started having orgasms once more, felt the renewal ofsexual attraction for her husband, and they're now in love all over again.[14] Oxytocin Simplified overview ofthe chemical basis of love. Mainarticle: Oxytocin Thelong-term attachment felt after the initial in love passionatephase of the relationship ends is related to oxytocin, a chemicalreleased after orgasm.[15] Moreover, noveltytriggers attraction. Even exercising for several minutes can make one moreattracted to other people on account of increased heart rate and otherphysiological responses. Nerve growth factor In2005, Italian scientists at Pavia University found that a proteinmolecule known as the nerve growth factor (NGF)has high levels when people first fall in love, but these return to previouslevels after one year. Specifically, four neurotrophin levels (NGF, BDNF, NT-3,and NT-4) of 58 subjects who had recently fallenin love were compared with levels in two control groups who were either singleor already engaged in a long-term relationship. The results showed that NGFlevels were significantly higher in the subjects in love than as compared toeither of the control groups.[16] Cortisol Individualswho have recently fallen in love show higher levels of cortisol.[17] To explore whetherthis correlation was merely due to general changes in life associated withbeginning a relationship, Loving et al. performed an experimental study inwhich women who had recently fallen in love were randomly asked to think abouttheir partners and relationship or about a romantically neutral male friend.The authors found that the romance-related thoughts triggered an acute increasein cortisol compared with thoughts about the friend. The cortisol effect wasmore pronounced for those women who spent more time thinking about theirrelationship. NGF tends to activate thehypothalamic-pituitary-adrenalaxis,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome back Pluto!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Jyotish only uses the visible planets not the outer ones. I guess they'd have to, not knowing about the others. It's tropical astrology that wants not only to use Pluto but asteroids as well. That makes even less sense, nobody knows exactly what is out there so if you think a horoscope makes sense and then someone discovers something else you can't have been right in the first place. But I guess the ice people of Plutoria must want a vote on this. ;-) It must be up to our solar system brothers. Looks like we'll be doing a flyby real soon. That cool photo was taken by NASA's New Horizons probe, which is well on it's way. Travelling at one million miles a day it still has 8 months before closest approach! I look forward to that muchly: NASA'-s New Horizons Spacecraft Near Pluto | Alternative http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/01/nasa-s-new-horizons-spacecraft-near-pluto-2878650.html http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/01/nasa-s-new-horizons-spacecraft-near-pluto-2878650.html NASA'-s New Horizons Spacecraft Near Pluto | Alt... http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/01/nasa-s-new-horizons-spacecraft-near-pluto-2878650.html One of the fastest spacecraft ever built, NASA´s New Horizons, is hurtling through the void at nearly one million miles per day. Launched in 2006, it has been in fl... View on beforeitsnews.com http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/01/nasa-s-new-horizons-spacecraft-near-pluto-2878650.html Preview by Yahoo On 10/02/2014 07:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Must be a frustrating time to be an astrologer, they just get used to pretending they have some sort of psychological and predictive use for poor old Pluto - after all those centuries not knowing about it - when the astronomical world decide it was never a planet at all! But now it's back so we can start taking note of the effects it's having on us again. Is Pluto about to be reinstated as a planet?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. bummer Maybe you are meaning this below. (1 Corinthians 13) If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. --- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Jedi, love is often called an emotion but I think it is way more than that. As such it is beyond any dualities. Tolle said that Being has three attributes, peace, joy and love. I agree with him. I would say that evolution is love in action. How I'd interpret vs. 10 of St. Paul's quote: when a person operates from the Being attribute of love, they see perfection everywhere. That is how imperfection disappears. I'm on you side, Lovely. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:11 AM, jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. Maybe you are meaning this below. (1 Corinthians 13) If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. --- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
That is how imperfection disappears. What a daily miracle that is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Jedi, love is often called an emotion but I think it is way more than that. As such it is beyond any dualities. Tolle said that Being has three attributes, peace, joy and love. I agree with him. I would say that evolution is love in action. How I'd interpret vs. 10 of St. Paul's quote: when a person operates from the Being attribute of love, they see perfection everywhere. That is how imperfection disappears. I'm on you side, Lovely. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:11 AM, jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. Maybe you are meaning this below. (1 Corinthians 13) If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. --- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
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Share, I'm making the quote my New Improved Motto (money-back guaranteed): If only you could love enough you would be the happiest and most powerful being in the world. - Emmet Fox P.S. In return I offer a reco: This is My Beloved ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : funnily enough, Dan, one of my favorite writings about love is from a man, Emmet Fox: LOVE There is no difficulty that enough love will not conquer; No disease that enough love will not heal; No door that enough love will not open; No gulf that enough love will not bridge; No wall that enough love will not throw down; No sin that enough love will not redeem... It makes no difference how deeply seated may be the trouble; How hopeless the outlook; How muddled the tangle; How great the mistake; A sufficient realization of love will dissolve it all... On Thursday, October 2, 2014 9:45 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. I LOVE LISTENING-IN ON WOMEN TALKING OF LOVE. KINDA HELPS. back to the book On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil hat time!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/02/2014 07:02 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 10:50 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The real psychological study should be of the 9-11 Deniers, those who just go with the official story in spite of the questions surrounding 9-11... We are still waiting for any new evidence so we can make up our own mind. What questions do you have? 'Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report' Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report Popular Mechanics examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11. View on www.popularmechan... Preview by Yahoo Simpler still, I was there. Police and firefighters reported exactly what I saw. Everyone in the area agreed. That is stronger confirmation than any commentator removed by distance and time who used their analysis and imagination. I gotta believe my lying eyes and those of the thousands of people who shared that experience with me. Bhairitu, in this case I'm thinking that you just may have seen one too many movies about all this. Stick with What You Know to Be True. You mean like the police and firefighters who heard unexplained explosions going off in the building? Tell us what you saw. I'll stick with my investigation. Willy probably gets his expertise on meditation and tantra from Popular Mechanics too. :-D Apologize to Richard for your snarky remark. And don't put a smiley face on it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like from the enlightened test subjects to the question Describe your self: L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies . . . my experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. It's immeasurably vast. . . on a physical level. It is not just restricted to this physical environment L2: It's the ‘‘I am-ness.’’ It's my Being. There's just a channel underneath that's just underlying everything. It's my essence there and it just doesn't stop where I stop. . . by ‘‘I,’’ I mean this 5 ft. 2 person that moves around here and there L3: I look out and see this beautiful divine Intelligence. . . you could say in the sky, in the tree, but really being expressed through these things. . . and these are my Self L4: I experience myself as being without edges or content. . . beyond the universe. . . all-pervading, and being absolutely thrilled, absolutely delighted with every motion that my body makes. With everything that my eyes see, my ears hear, my nose smells. There's a delight in the sense that I am able to penetrate that. My consciousness, my intelligence pervades everything I see, feel and think L5: When I say ’’I’’ that's the Self. There's a quality that is so pervasive about the Self that I'm quite sure that the ‘‘I’’ is the same ‘‘I’’ as everyone else's ‘‘I.’’ Not in terms of what follows right after. I am tall, I am short, I am fat, I am this, I am that. But the ‘‘I’’ part. The ‘‘I am’’ part is the same ‘‘I am’’ for you and me I describe myself as L4, beginning with absolutely. I think I'm a little bit of this and a little bit of that - kind of like what my husband and I ordered off the thai menu last night when we had: #9, #22 with tofu, #13, #55 and #60. We like to experience lots of tastes and we still have some left over for lunch today just in case you noticed that was a lot to eat for just two people. Dear Ann, Thank you for the lunch invitation. You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to be invited. We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a hearty appetite. Your appreciative guests. P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma) I would be most honored to make your wife's acquiantance. She could do the ordering making sure to absolutely get a #4 for you and afterwards we could all talk about art. Are we meeting in Victoria or in NYC? If so I will have to have a visit with my niece in Brooklyn. She is an artist too. My son is an artist living in Brooklyn. Does niecey need an inspiring lover? He comes highly recommended. And the #4 was as delicious as you said. Sorry, our appetites got the best of us and we couldn't wait; what with all those flights, taxis, packing, schlepping, walking, getting lost... Don't thank us, we were just saving you a trip.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it sounds like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this is not your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day experience. This is so beautiful! So inspiring. I'm moved. Are those my tears dropping gently on the screen? On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Love may be an emotion, an attribute of Being, a dominant quality in higher states, etc, but it also has a neurological and brain chemical basis (see below article as a starting point). I wonder a lot about this, including: To what extent does manifest love in higher states,particularly GC, living and ecstatic bhakti, devotion, etc depend upon these physical bases of love? If a researcher were to dramatically lower serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin and other key love-related chemicals (and/or modify receptors and activation potentials) in (validated) subjects experiencing sustained high/intense love, how would the love experience change? What role does meditation, yoga (including breath work) play in creating sustained and balanced levels of these brain chemicals (and related changes to receptors, activation potentials, etc)? Given many roads towards the enhanced levels of these chemicals (receptors, activation potentials, etc.) can these other modalities augment or even replace (or be a detriment to) traditional yogic / meditation practices and states? SSRS talks extensively on this: Love makes your practice fresh and new. It is love which nourishes, pushes forward your technique, your progress, your growth. quoted from : God Loves Fun Also see Narada Bhakti Sutra: The Aphorisms of Love. I have 3 versions; from Simple to Profound. (following article is provided as a starting point, not definitive) Source: Wiki Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love The theory of a biological basis of love has been explored by such biological sciences as evolutionary psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology and... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love Preview by Yahoo Studies in neuroscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience have involved chemicals that are present in the brain and might be involved when people experience love. These chemicals include: nerve growth factor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_growth_factor,[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-8 testosterone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone, estrogen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen, dopamine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine, norepinephrine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine, serotonin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin, oxytocin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin, andvasopressin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasopressin.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-9 Adequate brain levels of testosterone seem important for both human male and female sexual behavior.[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-10 Dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin are more commonly found during the attraction phase of a relationship.[11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-11 Oxytocin and vasopressin seemed to be more closely linked to long term bonding and relationships characterized by strong attachments. … Serotonin Chemically, the serotonin effects of being infatuated have a similar chemical appearance to obsessive-compulsive disorder, which could explain why people experiencing infatuation cannot think of anyone else.[13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-13 For this reason some, such as anthropologist Helen Fisher, assert that taking SSRIs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_reuptake_inhibitor and other antidepressants impede one's ability to fall in love. In one particular case Fisher noted: I know of one couple on the edge of divorce. The wife was on an antidepressant. Then she went off it, started having orgasms once more, felt the renewal of sexual attraction for her husband, and they're now in love all over again.[14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-14 Oxytocin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chemical_basis_of_love.png Simplified overview of the chemical basis of love. Main article: Oxytocin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin The long-term attachment felt after the initial in love passionate phase of the relationship ends is related to oxytocin, a chemical released after orgasm.[15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-15 Moreover, novelty triggers attraction. Even exercising for several minutes can make one more attracted to other people on account of increased heart rate and other physiological responses. Nerve growth factor In 2005, Italian scientists at Pavia University http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavia_University found that a protein
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: People will believe anything that makes them feel more important. If they've gotten to the point in their self discovery where they gain most of their personal sense of self-worth from the teacher they study with, they'll also believe anything that seems to make that teacher seem more important. There's no doubt that your teacher, Lenz, could levitate higher than any of my teachers, if that kind of stage magic is important to you in order for you to have any sense of self-worth. It must have been a devastating to your ego when your teacher failed to float on water (RIP). Do you think you will ever get over it? Maybe in a next life? Sometimes, Ricky, you totally crack me up. You're in good form today, maybe you should go buy a lottery ticket. We all have won the lottery to have won Richard's commentary daily.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
Kind of have to agree with you Bhairitu. I think Saddam's army was mainly for
show. He did have his Republican Guard that would fight, though they shed their
uniforms for civi's to blend in with the general population . However, I bet
they are mostly ISIS now. That cop that shot the Brown character in Mo. was
absolutely terrifying, enough to make a Navy SEAL soil his britches. He and the
Pillsbury Doughboy could really rattle ISIS. Hell, I'd put that little girl
from Jersey that shot her instructor with an uzi up against ISIS, just don't
let me be around at the time.
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 9:01 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 10/01/2014 09:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
I was listening to an interview of a prominent Christian leader in
Baghdad who fears ISIS is nearing an attack on the city. He has about 32 Iraqi
army body guards. He asked one , what would he do if he saw ISIS coming at him
and the soldier said that he would discard his uniform and run. The clergyman
asked why he was a soldier if he wouldn't do his duty. The soldier replied that
he just needs the money, a job, inferring there was no sense of duty or
patriotism. I'm afraid this is typical of the Iraqi army. Wasn't this the norm
during the first and second Iraq wars?
Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the
millions -- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have been killed
in this planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all the killing had just
said, Fuck this, and gone home.
However they also did this during the Gulf War. I don't think Saddam wanted a
strong military as he probably feared they would overthrow him. He had his
loyal secret police instead. I also don't think the US wanted a strong
military there or they would overthrow the puppets we put in place. Maybe we
should export some of our cowboy cops to Iraq who would make quick work of
ISIS. And if ISIS really actually tried to do something in the US our gun
nuts would make quick work of them.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Dan! I almost ordered this book a couple of weeks ago! On Thursday, October 2, 2014 1:05 PM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Love may be an emotion, an attribute of Being, a dominant quality in higher states, etc, but it also has a neurological and brain chemical basis (see below article as a starting point).I wonder a lot about this, including: To what extent does manifest love in higher states,particularly GC, living and ecstatic bhakti, devotion, etc depend upon these physical bases of love? If a researcher were to dramatically lower serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin and other key love-related chemicals (and/or modify receptors and activation potentials) in (validated) subjects experiencing sustained high/intense love, how would the love experience change? What role does meditation, yoga (including breath work) play in creating sustained and balanced levels of these brain chemicals (and related changes to receptors, activation potentials, etc)?Given many roads towards the enhanced levels of these chemicals (receptors, activation potentials, etc.) can these other modalities augment or even replace (or be a detriment to) traditional yogic / meditation practices and states? SSRS talks extensively on this: Love makes your practice fresh and new. It is love which nourishes, pushes forward your technique, your progress, your growth. quoted from : God Loves Fun Also see Narada Bhakti Sutra: The Aphorisms of Love. I have 3 versions; from Simple to Profound. (following article is provided as a starting point, not definitive)Source:Wiki Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | | | | | | Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... The theory of a biological basis of love has been explored by such biological sciences as evolutionary psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology and... | | | View on en.wikipedia.org| Preview by Yahoo | | | Studiesin neuroscience have involved chemicals thatare present in the brain and might be involved when people experience love.These chemicals include: nerve growth factor,[8] testosterone, estrogen, dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin, oxytocin, andvasopressin.[9] Adequate brainlevels of testosterone seem important for both human male and female sexualbehavior.[10] Dopamine,norepinephrine, and serotonin are more commonly found during the attractionphase of a relationship.[11] Oxytocinand vasopressin seemed to be more closely linked to long term bonding andrelationships characterized by strong attachments.…SerotoninChemically,the serotonin effects of being infatuated have a similar chemical appearance to obsessive-compulsivedisorder, which could explain why people experiencing infatuationcannot think of anyone else.[13] For this reasonsome, such as anthropologist Helen Fisher, assert that taking SSRIs andother antidepressants impede one's ability to fall in love. In one particularcase Fisher noted:Iknow of one couple on the edge of divorce. The wife was on an antidepressant.Then she went off it, started having orgasms once more, felt the renewal ofsexual attraction for her husband, and they're now in love all over again.[14]OxytocinSimplified overview ofthe chemical basis of love.Mainarticle: OxytocinThelong-term attachment felt after the initial in love passionatephase of the relationship ends is related to oxytocin, a chemicalreleased after orgasm.[15] Moreover, noveltytriggers attraction. Even exercising for several minutes can make one moreattracted to other people on account of increased heart rate and otherphysiological responses.Nerve growth factorIn2005, Italian scientists at Pavia University found that a proteinmolecule known as the nerve growth factor (NGF)has high levels when people first fall in love, but these return to previouslevels after one year. Specifically, four neurotrophin levels (NGF, BDNF, NT-3,and NT-4) of 58 subjects who had recently fallenin love were compared with levels in two control groups who were either singleor already engaged in a long-term relationship. The results showed that NGFlevels were significantly higher in the subjects in love than as compared toeither of the control groups.[16]CortisolIndividualswho have recently fallen in love show higher levels of cortisol.[17] To explore whetherthis correlation was merely due to general changes in life associated withbeginning a relationship, Loving et al. performed an experimental study inwhich women who had recently fallen in love were randomly asked to think abouttheir partners and relationship or about a romantically neutral male friend.The authors found that the romance-related thoughts triggered an acute increasein cortisol compared with thoughts about the friend. The cortisol effect wasmore pronounced for those women who spent more time thinking about
Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome back Pluto!
On 10/02/2014 10:31 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Jyotish only uses the visible planets not the outer ones. I guess they'd have to, not knowing about the others. Being that Uranus was not discovered until 1781, Neptune 1846 and Jyotish was around centuries before that, yes. But then what if the real use of astrology is to track cycles that occur on earth? IOW, they are just time markers the same way that ancient civilizations tracking time by the Sun and Moon.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
Don't forget to pop into the Louvre - and I'll be watching you two scamps, so don't get lost! (PS In a past life, I was the grandfather of the security guard (who is a buddhist), protecting the Mona Lisa, on the day shift). Apropos of nothing, there is a nondescript eating establishment, in a strip mall, in Fremont, CA that my wife and I saw, and the name instantly become part of our vocabulary (well, mine, anyway...). It is called, creatively, The Niche Business Cafe. I imagine you walk in, and are given a short interview, on how niche your particular business is, and if you qualify, you're in. So, for example, a shoe salesman, is out, but a bowling shoe salesman, is seated immediately. Sporting goods out, but selling just fishing line? Booth or table? ... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like from the enlightened test subjects to the question Describe your self: L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies . . . my experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. It's immeasurably vast. . . on a physical level. It is not just restricted to this physical environment L2: It's the ‘‘I am-ness.’’ It's my Being. There's just a channel underneath that's just underlying everything. It's my essence there and it just doesn't stop where I stop. . . by ‘‘I,’’ I mean this 5 ft. 2 person that moves around here and there L3: I look out and see this beautiful divine Intelligence. . . you could say in the sky, in the tree, but really being expressed through these things. . . and these are my Self L4: I experience myself as being without edges or content. . . beyond the universe. . . all-pervading, and being absolutely thrilled, absolutely delighted with every motion that my body makes. With everything that my eyes see, my ears hear, my nose smells. There's a delight in the sense that I am able to penetrate that. My consciousness, my intelligence pervades everything I see, feel and think L5: When I say ’’I’’ that's the Self. There's a quality that is so pervasive about the Self that I'm quite sure that the ‘‘I’’ is the same ‘‘I’’ as everyone else's ‘‘I.’’ Not in terms of what follows right after. I am tall, I am short, I am fat, I am this, I am that. But the ‘‘I’’ part. The ‘‘I am’’ part is the same ‘‘I am’’ for you and me I describe myself as L4, beginning with absolutely. I think I'm a little bit of this and a little bit of that - kind of like what my husband and I ordered off the thai menu last night when we had: #9, #22 with tofu, #13, #55 and #60. We like to experience lots of tastes and we still have some left over for lunch today just in case you noticed that was a lot to eat for just two people. Dear Ann, Thank you for the lunch invitation. You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to be invited. We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a hearty appetite. Your appreciative guests. P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma) I would be most honored to make your wife's acquiantance. She could do the ordering making sure to absolutely get a #4 for you and afterwards we could all talk about art. Are we meeting in Victoria or in NYC? If so I will have to have a visit with my niece in Brooklyn. She is an artist too. My son is an artist living in Brooklyn. Does niecey need an inspiring lover? He comes highly recommended. And the #4 was as delicious as you said. Sorry, our appetites got the best of us and we couldn't wait; what with all those flights, taxis, packing, schlepping, walking, getting lost... Don't thank us, we were just saving you a trip.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest. I think share is a little confused. Whttt!Love and hate are extremes. Like and dislike are moderation. The phil of Gita is to be moderate and maintain equipose. Compassion is a tracendental quality. Passion is a terrestrial quality. Maharishi in his BG commentary does mention that the enlightened man does have likes and dislikes. You have disrupted a very instructive conversation between 2 women who know exactly what they are talking about! Ann, when she differs, does so like a normal person: That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. You, on the other hand poke your snout in with: I think share is a little confused. I'm coming back to you!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Turquoise said: ...And someone should add that witnessing sleep may not mean shit. ... Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that they Never fall asleep. ... When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity Of the four stages of Non-REM sleep, in Stage 1, upon wakening, one may feel as if he or she has not slept. In Stage 2, muscles relax, we lose consciousness of the environment, etc as a preparation for deep sleep. This is not yet deep sleep and a sense of inner wakefulness in Stage 2 is more likely than in deep sleep. Stages 3 and 4 are the deep sleep states. However, as we age, Stages 3 and 4 become less, often significantly. Stage 1 and 2 of Non REM sleep are more conducive of the experience of being awake / conscious (though not necessarily of the environment). Those past 50 and / or with sleep disorders that reduce or eliminate stage 3 and 4 stage non REM sleep may be more likely to experience witnessing sleep. Reduction or elimination of Stage 3 and 4 Non REM sleep is not a good thing. A strong Stage 3 and 4 sleep architecture is important for many sleep and waking functions. Lack of sleep (not exclusively stage 3 and 4, however, however weak stage 3 and 4 negatively affect other sleep stages) contributes to lower proficiency in most cognitive functions, including memory consolidation and working memory. Working memory is a highly critical factor in intelligence and performance across a wide span of activities. Lack of adequate sleep also contributes to attention disorders, including the tendency of the mind to wander, not being able to sustain attention on a focussed task. Sparaig points out that the study shows positive correlation of witnessing sleep with wandering mind -- which raises the question of whether (one of many possible hypotheses and models ) the states experienced by the subjects are due to reduced quality of sleep (poor stage 3 and 4 sleep architectured) resulting in attention deficits, reduced working memory capacity, and subsequent reduction of applied intelligence . I hope bawee is reading your posts because you sound like you know what you're talking about. It is a lot more refreshing than reading bawee's knee-jerk (did I say jerk?) simple-minded reactions to everything that exist merely to try and make others look ignorant and small. Stick around, you and Salyavin might have some things in common. Thanks for taking up this Issue, while I needed to step away to reread Sleep and Dreams: A Sourcebook Compiled by Jayne Gackenbach. Here's some sense (and my 2 cents): The following is a description of witnessing dreaming described by a subject: 'Often during dreaming I am awake inside, in a very peaceful, blissful state. Dreams come and go, thoughts about the dreams come and go, but I remian in a deeply peaceful state, completely separate from the dreams and the thoughts. My body is asleep and inert, breathing goes on regularly and mechanically, and inside I am just aware that I am' Gackenbach, J. and LaBerge, S (1986)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : That is how imperfection disappears. What a daily miracle that is. Which reminds me. This Week's Tease Shirt Winner wore: Jerry Garcia Lunt-Fontaine Theater Just good Vintage Fun! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Jedi, love is often called an emotion but I think it is way more than that. As such it is beyond any dualities. Tolle said that Being has three attributes, peace, joy and love. I agree with him. I would say that evolution is love in action. How I'd interpret vs. 10 of St. Paul's quote: when a person operates from the Being attribute of love, they see perfection everywhere. That is how imperfection disappears. I'm on you side, Lovely. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:11 AM, jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. Maybe you are meaning this below. (1 Corinthians 13) If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. --- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
On 10/2/2014 8:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And someone should add that witnessing sleep may not mean shit. /The EEG evidence supporting the reality of witnessing is that people having these experiences exhibit one of the EEG signatures of transcendental consciousness, which is theta/alpha (7-9 Hz) EEG relative power, along with the signature of deep sleep, which is delta EEG (1-4 Hz)./ - David Orme-Johnsom One of my science article clients runs a sleep clinic, so when writing articles about sleep disorders I've learned a few interesting things. Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that they Never fall asleep. Their subjective experience is that they never lose conscious awareness, so they're worried that they've got a sleep disorder, even though they display no symptoms of sleep deprivation. Most of the time when these kinds of conditions are examined, the insomniacs simply can't tell the difference between wakefulness and sleeping. They may think they are just resting when in reality they are asleep - maybe they are taking mico-naps lasting just a few minutes. /It is a very rare condition/ when sleep deprivation can't be explained by a medical science - such causes as fever, illness, genetic mutation or psychological disorder. When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity. It's just that they never lose their subjective awareness. In other words, a part of them is always awake, witnessing their subjective experience as they navigate the entire range of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. Acute or chronic insomnia is called Fatal Familial Insomnia (FFI). Total sleeplessness has yet to be explained by science, so you seem to be one of the science writers today that have new information about this disorder. A full report should be on PubMed by now,right? In the decade my client's practice has been open, he has treated maybe a couple of dozen people who report this. Total sleep deprivation is very rare and only about 100 cases have ever been the subject of a clinical study and only maybe two have never been explained by medical science. The quack you are working for should probably hire a lawyer to look into this, since according to your short report, there are more incidences of total sleeplessness at their clinic /than in the whole of medical science worldwide. /Go figure. All of them are just normal people off the street. The key word here is fatal in the condition known in science as FFI, and leads to death in almost all cases leads to panic attacks, hallucinations, delirium, confusion, weight loss, and then dementia and death. FFI has no known cure and involves progressively worsening conditions. Death usually occurs between 7 and 36 months from onset, according to what I've read. Not one of them meditates. Everyone meditates, Barry, every time they pause to think about something. Anyone who isn't able to think is unconscious and obviously sleeping. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Don't forget to pop into the Louvre - and I'll be watching you two scamps, so don't get lost! (PS In a past life, I was the grandfather of the security guard (who is a buddhist), protecting the Mona Lisa, on the day shift). Apropos of nothing, there is a nondescript eating establishment, in a strip mall, in Fremont, CA that my wife and I saw, and the name instantly become part of our vocabulary (well, mine, anyway...). It is called, creatively, The Niche Business Cafe. I imagine you walk in, and are given a short interview, on how niche your particular business is, and if you qualify, you're in. So, for example, a shoe salesman, is out, but a bowling shoe salesman, is seated immediately. Sporting goods out, but selling just fishing line? Booth or table? ... I got it, but I'm not sure everyone did. You could start a Poll on ffl like: I make money the Old Fashioned Way...I don't work (doesn't sound that good when I see it on the screen, and Richard says this will be preserved eternally. Is that enough time to change it? Is it enough time to change careers? Is it enough time? You and your lucky wife sound well paired (and I'm am not talking jealously). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like from the enlightened test subjects to the question Describe your self: L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies . . . my experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. It's immeasurably vast. . . on a physical level. It is not just restricted to this physical environment L2: It's the ‘‘I am-ness.’’ It's my Being. There's just a channel underneath that's just underlying everything. It's my essence there and it just doesn't stop where I stop. . . by ‘‘I,’’ I mean this 5 ft. 2 person that moves around here and there L3: I look out and see this beautiful divine Intelligence. . . you could say in the sky, in the tree, but really being expressed through these things. . . and these are my Self L4: I experience myself as being without edges or content. . . beyond the universe. . . all-pervading, and being absolutely thrilled, absolutely delighted with every motion that my body makes. With everything that my eyes see, my ears hear, my nose smells. There's a delight in the sense that I am able to penetrate that. My consciousness, my intelligence pervades everything I see, feel and think L5: When I say ’’I’’ that's the Self. There's a quality that is so pervasive about the Self that I'm quite sure that the ‘‘I’’ is the same ‘‘I’’ as everyone else's ‘‘I.’’ Not in terms of what follows right after. I am tall, I am short, I am fat, I am this, I am that. But the ‘‘I’’ part. The ‘‘I am’’ part is the same ‘‘I am’’ for you and me I describe myself as L4, beginning with absolutely. I think I'm a little bit of this and a little bit of that - kind of like what my husband and I ordered off the thai menu last night when we had: #9, #22 with tofu, #13, #55 and #60. We like to experience lots of tastes and we still have some left over for lunch today just in case you noticed that was a lot to eat for just two people. Dear Ann, Thank you for the lunch invitation. You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to be invited. We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a hearty appetite. Your appreciative guests. P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma) I would be most honored to make your wife's acquiantance. She could do the ordering making sure to absolutely get a #4 for you and afterwards we could all talk about art. Are we meeting in Victoria or in NYC? If so I will have to have a visit with my niece in Brooklyn. She is an artist too. My son is an artist living in Brooklyn. Does niecey need an inspiring lover? He comes highly recommended. And the #4 was as delicious as you said. Sorry, our appetites got the best of us and we couldn't wait; what with all those flights, taxis, packing, schlepping, walking, getting lost... Don't thank us, we were just saving you a trip.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome back Pluto!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/02/2014 10:31 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Jyotish only uses the visible planets not the outer ones. I guess they'd have to, not knowing about the others. Being that Uranus was not discovered until 1781, Neptune 1846 and Jyotish was around centuries before that, yes. But then what if the real use of astrology is to track cycles that occur on earth? IOW, they are just time markers the same way that ancient civilizations tracking time by the Sun and Moon. Pluto would be tracking a 248 year cycle! Bit longer than I'm expecting to be around. But they wouldn't just be tracking, seems to me that they would have to be connected for it be relevant as opposed to just a coincidence. In fact, King Tony joins the planets to bits of the brain, complete bollocks as far as I'm concerned but he's obviously thought about it. Funny thing is his diagram has the outer planets but no link to the brain for them. Could be the worst bit of science I have ever seen. But the really baffling thing for me is the chart itself; someone born in one place has a different effect from the same planets as someone born somewhere else or somewhen else. It's all too hellishly complex that everyone has a different map of life from the same few planets whirling about at the varying distances the manage during their (and our) orbit. But we must be locked in some sort of cycle because I've a niggling feeling we've discussed this before once or twice ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/2/2014 8:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: And someone should add that witnessing sleep may not mean shit. The EEG evidence supporting the reality of witnessing is that people having these experiences exhibit one of the EEG signatures of transcendental consciousness, which is theta/alpha (7-9 Hz) EEG relative power, along with the signature of deep sleep, which is delta EEG (1-4 Hz). - David Orme-Johnsom One of my science article clients runs a sleep clinic, so when writing articles about sleep disorders I've learned a few interesting things. Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that they Never fall asleep. Their subjective experience is that they never lose conscious awareness, so they're worried that they've got a sleep disorder, even though they display no symptoms of sleep deprivation. Most of the time when these kinds of conditions are examined, the insomniacs simply can't tell the difference between wakefulness and sleeping. They may think they are just resting when in reality they are asleep - maybe they are taking mico-naps lasting just a few minutes. It is a very rare condition when sleep deprivation can't be explained by a medical science - such causes as fever, illness, genetic mutation or psychological disorder. When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity. It's just that they never lose their subjective awareness. In other words, a part of them is always awake, witnessing their subjective experience as they navigate the entire range of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. Acute or chronic insomnia is called Fatal Familial Insomnia (FFI). Total sleeplessness has yet to be explained by science, so you seem to be one of the science writers today that have new information about this disorder. A full report should be on PubMed by now,right? In the decade my client's practice has been open, he has treated maybe a couple of dozen people who report this. Total sleep deprivation is very rare and only about 100 cases have ever been the subject of a clinical study and only maybe two have never been explained by medical science. The quack you are working for should probably hire a lawyer to look into this, since according to your short report, there are more incidences of total sleeplessness at their clinic than in the whole of medical science worldwide. Go figure. All of them are just normal people off the street. The key word here is fatal in the condition known in science as FFI, and leads to death in almost all cases leads to panic attacks, hallucinations, delirium, confusion, weight loss, and then dementia and death. FFI has no known cure and involves progressively worsening conditions. Death usually occurs between 7 and 36 months from onset, according to what I've read. Not one of them meditates. Everyone meditates, Barry, every time they pause to think about something. Anyone who isn't able to think is unconscious and obviously sleeping. Go figure. Richard, Is there ANYTHING YOU DON'T KNOW? Here's a toughie: Am I about to go to sleep for an afternoon nap in anticipation of a late-night out? Or not. Curious Dan
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
Thanks for sharing this - Very well written, and good science - (I just read the second one) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : The criteria the Fred used to find his subjects in CC was that they had to have continuous integration of transcendental experiences (TE) with waking and sleeping for at least 1 year. The Cont-TE group. Two other groups were chosen as well: people who intended to learn TM but had not yet started and had rare (less than 1 per year -the Rare-TE group) transcendental experiences, and people who had been practicing TM for a while, but did not report frequent transcendental experiences outside of meditation (between 1 and 10 TE per year -the Occas-TE group). A semi-structured interview and two measures of TE were used to substantiate subjects’ self-reports of inner experiences. The two measures had been developed by non-TMers to measure frequency of transcendental experiences in the general population: Hood’s M-Scale from [Hood, R.W., 1975. The construction and preliminary validation of a measure of reported mystical experience. Journal of Scientific Study Religion 14, 29-41] and Baruss’s Physical-Transcendent Scale from [Baruss, E., Moore, R.J., 1992. Measurement of beliefs about consciousness and reality. Psychology Reports 71, 59-64] Group means for M-Scale were: Rare-TE:/18.19 +/-6.47; Occas-TE:/39.59 +/-3.15; Cont-TE:/60.79 +/-0.61. Group means for the Physical-Transcendent Scale were: Rare-TE:/35.79 +/-5.21; Occas-TE:/61.49 +/-4.71; Cont-TE:/84.19 +/-2.96. Various EEG and other physical measures were done as well as interview questions. The results were reported in two different papers: http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf L
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
First she sailed around the world, with one other person, in a 32' boat, and then we met. Instantly discovered faraway places we have both been, including past lives (Japan and Western US) - We complement each other very well, once again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Don't forget to pop into the Louvre - and I'll be watching you two scamps, so don't get lost! (PS In a past life, I was the grandfather of the security guard (who is a buddhist), protecting the Mona Lisa, on the day shift). Apropos of nothing, there is a nondescript eating establishment, in a strip mall, in Fremont, CA that my wife and I saw, and the name instantly become part of our vocabulary (well, mine, anyway...). It is called, creatively, The Niche Business Cafe. I imagine you walk in, and are given a short interview, on how niche your particular business is, and if you qualify, you're in. So, for example, a shoe salesman, is out, but a bowling shoe salesman, is seated immediately. Sporting goods out, but selling just fishing line? Booth or table? ... I got it, but I'm not sure everyone did. You could start a Poll on ffl like: I make money the Old Fashioned Way...I don't work (doesn't sound that good when I see it on the screen, and Richard says this will be preserved eternally. Is that enough time to change it? Is it enough time to change careers? Is it enough time? You and your lucky wife sound well paired (and I'm am not talking jealously). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like from the enlightened test subjects to the question Describe your self: L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies . . . my experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. It's immeasurably vast. . . on a physical level. It is not just restricted to this physical environment L2: It's the ‘‘I am-ness.’’ It's my Being. There's just a channel underneath that's just underlying everything. It's my essence there and it just doesn't stop where I stop. . . by ‘‘I,’’ I mean this 5 ft. 2 person that moves around here and there L3: I look out and see this beautiful divine Intelligence. . . you could say in the sky, in the tree, but really being expressed through these things. . . and these are my Self L4: I experience myself as being without edges or content. . . beyond the universe. . . all-pervading, and being absolutely thrilled, absolutely delighted with every motion that my body makes. With everything that my eyes see, my ears hear, my nose smells. There's a delight in the sense that I am able to penetrate that. My consciousness, my intelligence pervades everything I see, feel and think L5: When I say ’’I’’ that's the Self. There's a quality that is so pervasive about the Self that I'm quite sure that the ‘‘I’’ is the same ‘‘I’’ as everyone else's ‘‘I.’’ Not in terms of what follows right after. I am tall, I am short, I am fat, I am this, I am that. But the ‘‘I’’ part. The ‘‘I am’’ part is the same ‘‘I am’’ for you and me I describe myself as L4, beginning with absolutely. I think I'm a little bit of this and a little bit of that - kind of like what my husband and I ordered off the thai menu last night when we had: #9, #22 with tofu, #13, #55 and #60. We like to experience lots of tastes and we still have some left over for lunch today just in case you noticed that was a lot to eat for just two people. Dear Ann, Thank you for the lunch invitation. You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to be invited. We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a hearty appetite. Your appreciative guests. P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma) I would be most honored to make your wife's acquiantance. She could do the ordering making sure to absolutely get a #4 for you and afterwards we could all talk about art. Are we meeting in Victoria or in NYC? If so I will have to have a visit with my niece in Brooklyn. She is an artist too. My son is an artist living in Brooklyn. Does niecey need an inspiring lover? He comes highly recommended. And the #4 was as delicious as you said. Sorry, our appetites got the best of us and we couldn't wait; what with all those flights, taxis, packing, schlepping, walking, getting lost... Don't thank us, we were just saving you a trip.
[FairfieldLife] On the Brink: Maitreya Emerges
On the Brink: Maitreya Emerges http://www.edgemagazine.net/2014/10/on-the-brink-maitreya-emerges/ http://www.edgemagazine.net/2014/10/on-the-brink-maitreya-emerges/ On the Brink: Maitreya Emerges http://www.edgemagazine.net/2014/10/on-the-brink-maitreya-emerges/ In the April 2014 issue of The Edge, the title of an article asked: If the Christ or Buddha returned today, would you recognize Him? In that article, you read View on www.edgemagazine.net http://www.edgemagazine.net/2014/10/on-the-brink-maitreya-emerges/ Preview by Yahoo
