[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick: is this what you were referring to?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: [snip] Anyway, at the time you wrote something like: yeah, he said the same thing when he was in Fairfield. Well, I think I've found on youtube what you were referring to. No, Rick was tellling us what Obama had said in response to a question *he* asked Obama, not that Dennis Raimondi asked Obama. [snip] Stop being so fucking anally retentive, Judy. Reread what I wrote: at the time you wrote SOMETHING LIKE... When people are going on memory, as I obviously was, I wasn't QUOTING him; it was a general comment. Take a fucking valium. Have you been drinking? Because you're talking absolute nonsense. What I was commenting on was your asking if the Raimondi video was what Rick had been talking about. Obviously you'd forgotten Then like the sweet little lady I know you can be you should have written that instead of acting like a shrill witch. that Rick had reported how Obama had answered *his* question, or you wouldn't have said you thought Rick had been referring to the Raimondi video. Didn't have anything to do with something like. This is all a crock anyway. You know it, I know it, everyone who reads your posts knows it. There's more than enough *legitimate* criticisms to be made of Obama; there's no need to make them up out of whole cloth.
[FairfieldLife] 3 down, 179 to go....
We're three days into the $50,000 6-month bet between Off_World and Shemp and -- surprise, surprise! -- Ron Paul still hasn't come out with the statement on global warming that Off predicted he would. I am still waiting for Off to provide me with the name, address, and phone number of a LEGITIMATE attorney so that I can provide him with my I.D. etc. Funnily enough -- but, of course, not very surprising -- Off provided a phony name and address of a NON-attorney for me to contact in another state! First he asks me to give my information to his attorney and when I asked him where to send the info, he comes up with the false name and stuff. What's with this guy? Is he having yet another of his famous psychotic episodes? Off, please come clean.
[FairfieldLife] Climate gold
1. UK warmists now scaring kids: 'Government has been reduced to rallying support for its reviled global warming schemes by scaring kids' http://www.torontosun.com/comment/editorial/2010/03/19/13291086.html 2. Claim: Climate Change battle has been won -- 'It is unlikely that the U.S. will now implement any drastic program to manage CO2' http://cobourgskeptic.com/archives/611 3. Study: 'Swirling winds' caused record breaking loss of ice in Arctic -- not global warming http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/22/wind-sea-ice-loss-arc\ tic 4. Meteorology Professor slaps down latest Arctic Scare book with foreword by Al Gore http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comme\ nts/overheating_detected_in_arctic#68583 5. Climate Astrology: Flowers losing scent due to global warming: 'Scents in flowers last longer in colder climate as plants can hold on to their essential oils longer' http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20100\ 322-206015.html 6. Physicist Bob Park seems to be losing his religion: Now asks: 'Is Earth's climate determined entirely by the Sun, or is there a component of anthropogenic warming?' http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2010/03/another-one-bites-dust-alarmist-b\ ob.html 7. Butterflies freeze in Mexico; CO2 blamed: 'Monarch Butterflies Dwindle Due to Harsh Winter Weather' http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2010/03/butterflies-freeze-in-mexico-carb\ on.html 8. End-phase of the Climate Wars? 'All 3 warmings since 1860 (and MWP) could have exceeded the bounds of natural variability if all were forced by the same external influence' http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2010/03/end-phase-of-the\ -climate-wars 9. More than 20 wind farms operating at less than one-fifth full power 'because it's not breezy enough' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259573/More-20-wind-farms-oper\ ating-fifth-power-breezy-enough.html# 10. Counter: 'One single map that refutes this entire [warming violence] theory...highest crime rates seem to be in relatively cool countries' http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/21/climate-craizness-of-the-week-glo\ bal-warming-leads-to-more-violence/ 11. 'How government cash created the Climategate scandal...Global warming science corrupted by politics and money' http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comme\ nts/how_government_cash_created_the_climategate_scandal#68680 12. 'Irefutable' Study: Global warming can lead to increased violence in human beings -- My study is 'very well researched' claims Psychology Prof. Craig Anderson (c...@iastate.edu) http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/562481/?sc=rsln 13. Greenies Ask: 'Why aren't climate scientists talking about healthcare reform?' http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2010/03/why-arent-climate-scientists-talk\ ing.html 14. WWF hopes to find $60 billion growing on trees: 'Carbon credits scheme would make WWF and its partners much richer, but with no lowering of overall CO2 emissions' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7488629\ /WWF-hopes-to-find-60-billion-growing-on-trees.html 15. NASA Scientist's Admissions: We don't currently understand cloud feedbacks; we can't separate man-made from natural climate variations http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2010/03/alarmists-should-be-stunned-by-th\ ese.html 16. Flashback April 2009: Democrats Refuse to Allow Skeptic to Testify Alongside Gore At Congressional Hearing ../../a/429/Flashback-April-2009-Democrats-Refuse-to-Allow-Skeptic-to-T\ estify-Alongside-Gore-At-Congressional-Hearing 17. Flashback: Gore: U.S. Climate Bill Will Help Bring About 'Global Governance' ../../a/1893/Flashback-Gore-US-Climate-Bill-Will-Help-Bring-About-Globa\ l-Governance 18. Read All About it! Climate Depot Exclusive - Continuously Updated 'ClimateGate' News Round Up ../../a/3943/Read-All-About-it-Climate-Depot-Exclusive--Continuously-Up\ dated-ClimateGate-News-Round-Up 19. Watch Now: Climate Depot's Morano on Fox News talking Climategate, UN and latest science ../../a/4401/Watch-Now-Climate-Depots-Morano-on-Fox-News-talking-Climat\ egate-UN-and-latest-science 20. Sec. Chu's assertions 'quite simply being proven wrong by the latest climate data' ../../a/327/Sec-Chus-assertionsnbspquite-simply-being-proven-wrong-by-t\ he-latest-climate-data 21. 'Execute' Skeptics! Shock Call To Action: 'At what point do we jail or execute global warming deniers' -- 'Shouldn't we start punishing them now?' ../../a/1096/Execute-Skeptics-Shock-Call-To-Action-At-what-point-do-we-\ jail-or-execute-global-warming-deniers--Shouldnt-we-start-punishing-them\ -now 22. Climate Depot Aims To Redefine Global Warming Reporting ../../a/40/Climate-Depot-Aims-To-Redefine-Global-Warming-Reporting 23. Earth's 'Fever' Breaks! Global temperatures 'have plunged .74°F since Gore released An Inconvenient Truth'
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip It looks like we voted for the right man for the job when we voted for Obama. Super-big high-five to the O-man. Ted Kennedy's smiling down on us all. Ted Kennedy is royally pissed because Obama sacrificed the public option (while pretending to still be for it). It is WAY better than any Public Option. It insures millions more, and in time will cover anyone currently not covered. It is now illegal for people to not have coverage, but just like in the past, the Democrats made it illegal for hospitals to refuse someone, and so local, state, and federal funding HAD to cover the treatment costs. As it should be. NOW everyone who is not insured has to have insurance, but THEY do not have to pay a penny if they cannot afford it - it is subsidized by the tax payers now. Those who can afford it, but do not want health insurance of any kind (like Willyltex for example, if he was ever self-employed), it will simply be like a tiny insignificant tax on them that they won't even notice, and they will have to put up or shut up, just like in Britain. And the British like their system, and the health insurance tax (which is seperated out on payroll checks) is the LAST thing they would complain about on their paycheck deductions. I saw this is what Obama was doing a long time ago, and these rules will never be repealed, even if Republicans gain in the Fall --- which they won't. This is a GREAT day for America. This is a watershed moment for America, and due to its influence, for the world. The Neocons and Fundies are dead in the water. Change has come. OffWorld I think health insurance should be like car insurance: if you use alternative and preventative medicine to keep yourself healthy you should get a tremendous break on your bill. You get one for being a safe driver on auto insurance so why not health insurance? In one sense insurance companies already do that; in another sense, they don't. If you have a group insurance policy through work, you'll pay the same rate as everyone else in your demographic group (age and gender) whether you are sick as a dog or as healthy as Superman. If you have an individual policy you can not only be rated but have certain pre-existing conditions excluded from coverage. And you can be declined for coverage. You can't be declined under a group policy (although there may be waiting periods for pre-existing conditions). Life insurance of course rates people and declines them as well. The problem would be the way the dumbed down way health insurance companies measure things. But the health insurance companies are crooks anyway and need to be regulated out of business or just provide premium care for the elite. And we need to get the AMA out formula too. That point, for me, is the biggest bone of contention I have about the whole thing. For all their talk about free markets, I never hear much from the conservative side about breaking the AMA monopoly. And this should be something of concern for the kinds of folks that read FFL because, I assume, we've all tried various forms of alternative medicines, including Ayur-Veda. Well, for starters, let's let other associations provide rules for western medicine as well as the AMA (which can control supply of doctors) as well as putting alternative medicines and practitioners on a par with those licensed under the AMA. Let's help people who may not come from a line of doctors become one if they are interested. Groups like the AMA lobby to keep the entrants into medical schools down so the cost of medicine is high. Precisely! (I actually wrote what I did above before I read this by Bhairitu). Bhairitu, you are talking like a true free-marketer! You should go to the Ludwig Von Mises site; they've got great articles on the AMA monopoly. Let's expose this fraud. There are all kinds of things that could be done to reduce the cost of health care. But dummies with health care benefits from work run to the doctor if they even have the sniffles. People need to learn that is not what it is for. ...and now you're sounding like Rush Limbaugh (I mean that as a complement) because he talks a lot about how health insurance should NOT be paying for doctor's visits and all that but for catastrophic coverage. By the way, there are many in the insurance industry that want to see high deductible insurance policies made available but, apparently, the government makes it difficult for such policies to come into existance. I'm not up on it enough to know the reasons why, but high deductible healthcare policies may be the wave of the future.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush speechwriter David Frum: This is GOPs Waterloo
Canadians reading this forum will know that David Frum's mother, the late Barbara Frum, was considered the Edward R. Murrow or, perhaps, the Walter Cronkite of Canadian Television News. She was untouchable as a journalist and anchored the CBC Evening News for years. Frum once interviewed Maharishi. It was the ONLY interview I have EVER seen of him before or since that was done with such incredibly well-done research...and done with such intelligence. If you read the transcript you would have thought that a TM teacher had prepared the questions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:59 PM, do.rflex wrote: My favorite part: No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the doughnut hole and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents' insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there would President Obama sign such a repeal? So he's saying, in effect, that the bill is a disaster because seniors *can't* be overcharged for their medicine, insurers can no longer rescind policies, and young adults can no longer be kicked off of their parents' policies, which before left many uninsured. That's what he considers a disaster. What a schmuck. We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat. And let's hope the party of perversion goes the same way--quickly. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Rick: is this what you were referring to?
About a year or so ago we had a discussion over Obama's comments during his campaign to become the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party in which he said that once he was president that he'd overturn laws he deemed unconstitutional (a big gaffe because any high school student can tell you that presidents can't do that; only the courts can). Anyway, at the time you wrote something like: yeah, he said the same thing when he was in Fairfield. Well, I think I've found on youtube what you were referring to. Although he doesn't say it as explicity as the gaffe he made in Denver, you can sort of interpret it as the same thing (the discussion starts at about 2:20): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlPzmyX6sOc Is this what you were referring to?
[FairfieldLife] Shelly Hack
Shelly Hack was for one season one of Charlie's Angels on TV. She was also in Martin Scorcese's King of Comedy. I seem to remember from the '70s that someone said Hack was a TM teacher. Am I remembering this correctly? Does anyone else remember this?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anonymous leeches can't bet with humans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: Off, I recommend that you keep posting furiously so that you hit 51, and then go on hiatus, and when you return maybe everyone will have forgotten who it was that conceded. Conceding? Did Off concede? Well, that's awfully nice of him. He can contact me off-board in order to know where to send the $50,000 which I'll accept as certified check or money order. I was going to offer him that if he concedes at any point between now and 6 months from now that I would, out of the generosity of my heart, only hold him liable for $273.97 for each day since the start of the bet on the 19th because that's the figure that comes out when you divide $50,000 by 182.5 days (6 months in days). that works out to be $821.91 for the three days. But I much prefer to accept the $50,000! Thanks, Off! I'm going to enjoy that sailboat! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Where I come from, when one issues a challenge, and then backs down from it, they're yella. So you are saying that Shemp has a huge yellow slimy streak down his back are you? Well, that's a bit harsh on your part, but its hard to argue with your assesment there. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick: is this what you were referring to?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: About a year or so ago we had a discussion over Obama's comments during his campaign to become the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party in which he said that once he was president that he'd overturn laws he deemed unconstitutional (a big gaffe because any high school student can tell you that presidents can't do that; only the courts can). We've been through this before, Shemp. You haven't got a leg to stand on with this. Not if you're going to rewrite the English language, Judy. Here's what he was quoted as saying: I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws--or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution. Laws was obviously a slip of the tongue, which he instantly corrected. He was talking about reviewing executive orders, which *can* be reversed by the president. Laws may very well have been a slip of the tongue, Judy, as we discussed a hundred times, but saying right after it or executive decisions is NOT I repeat NOT instantly correcting it, as you well know. Instantly correcting it would have been saying something to the effect I meant to say 'executive orders' which he did NOT say. The English language is the English language. Give Obama a little respect for knowing the English language. Anyway, at the time you wrote something like: yeah, he said the same thing when he was in Fairfield. Well, I think I've found on youtube what you were referring to. No, Rick was tellling us what Obama had said in response to a question *he* asked Obama, not that Dennis Raimondi asked Obama. Although he doesn't say it as explicity as the gaffe he made in Denver, It wasn't even a gaffe. Huh? Just above you said it was a slip of the tongue. Is not a slip of the tongue a gaffe? you can sort of interpret it as the same thing (the discussion starts at about 2:20): No, you can't sort of interpret it as saying he himself was going to repeal laws, sorry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlPzmyX6sOc Is this what you were referring to? Here's what Rick said: That's almost verbatim the answer he gave to me in Fairfield when I asked him about impeaching Bush/ Cheney and repairing the constitutional damage they had done. If that's the case, then Obama would have said -- almost verbatim -- that he would reverse laws or executive decisions. Please don't reinterpret the English language, Judy. And here's Rick's original account of what he asked Obama in Fairfield: When Obama was in FF, I asked him about impeaching Bush and Cheney. He said he felt it would be too disruptive that Congress wouldn't get anything else accomplished but he said that if elected, one of his first moves would be to have his attorney general review everything Bush and Cheney had done to erode the Constitution, and that he would reverse those decisions so as to repair the damage.
[FairfieldLife] Where's Waldo? I mean, where's Off_World?
He seems to have disappeared. Gee, I wonder why? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: I'll need your name and a permanent address, and you'll need to sign some papers from my lawyer before you can make this bet, since an anonymous person is not a person, but a parasite, and no-one has ever made a bet with a parasite. Parasites cannot make bets. Its not possible. Please post your name and reliable address, town and country of birth. Your lawyer will get ALL of that information, along with a copy of my passport, driver's license, etc. So put up your name then coward, or you'll just be ignored. I am more than happy to put it forward to your attorney. Why should I put it up here? It has absolutely nothing to do with the bet! Methinks you are using this as an excuse to get out of the bet because: 1) You're a wimp; 2) You know you'd lose; 3) You're a coward; 4) You're a welcher. Aren't you a man of your word? Aren't you a man of your convictions? Again, please email me with the name, address, and phone number of your attorney and let's get this bet going! Did you by any chance want to increase the stakes to, say, $100,000? No-one talks to parasites, and it is impossible for a leech to make a bet. Everyone knows this. You already lostagain. You are not smart enough Shemp. PS. I'm not a Christian. OffWorld Quite right. Christians aren't supposed to welch on bets.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anonymous leeches can't bet with humans ------- Was////The bet is on:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: I'll need your name and a permanent address, and you'll need to sign some papers from my lawyer before you can make this bet, since an anonymous person is not a person, but a parasite, and no-one has ever made a bet with a parasite. Parasites cannot make bets. Its not possible. Please post your name and reliable address, town and country of birth. Your lawyer will get ALL of that information, along with a copy of my passport, driver's license, etc. So put up your name then coward, or you'll just be ignored. No-one talks to parasites, and it is impossible for a leech to make a bet. Everyone knows this. You already lostagain. You are not smart enough Shemp. Send your information to: Brian Schumaker Colby Sound Building, Suite 1350 Providence, Rhode Island 2902 OffWorld 1) Please provide a proper address. Zip codes in the United States have a minimum of 5 digits, not 4 as you have above. 2) I went to the Rhode Island Bar Association web site and there is no listing for an attorney named Brian Schumaker: https://www.ribar.com/Members/Directory/Default.aspx What kind of scam are you trying to pull? It was YOU who brought up the idea of forwarding my personal information to YOUR attorney; I agreed. And now this: a non-existent attorney in a state hundreds of miles away from where you live in northern Vermont. Don't you have a attorney in the state where you actually LIVE Again, for the third time, what is the name, phone number, and address of your attoreny, please. Do you not have a LEGITIMATE attorney? Please don't play head games with me and waste my time. 3) You didn't tell me whether you were willing to up the bet to $100,000.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where's Waldo? I mean, where's Off_World?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: He seems to have disappeared. Gee, I wonder why? Shemp, I think a more realisic (and interesting) bet would be a wager whereby if you lose, you reveal your true identity, and if Off (Tom Barlow, from Vermont) loses, that he pay you $500.00. No, I prefer the $50,000 bet we agreed upon. Let him put his money where his mouth is. I would be silly to give up an easy $50,000 and I am NOT going to let him off the hook. By the way, the clock is ticking. It's now 2 days (see the March 19, 2010 bet on message #244049) into the 183 days that Off has until Ron Paul comes out with his public statement on Global Warming. I've got my eye on a really nice sailboat! By the way, if you're over 59 1/2, Off, there is no 10% penalty for taking the funds out of your 401K or I.R.A. I suggest that is what you do. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: I'll need your name and a permanent address, and you'll need to sign some papers from my lawyer before you can make this bet, since an anonymous person is not a person, but a parasite, and no-one has ever made a bet with a parasite. Parasites cannot make bets. Its not possible. Please post your name and reliable address, town and country of birth. Your lawyer will get ALL of that information, along with a copy of my passport, driver's license, etc. So put up your name then coward, or you'll just be ignored. I am more than happy to put it forward to your attorney. Why should I put it up here? It has absolutely nothing to do with the bet! Methinks you are using this as an excuse to get out of the bet because: 1) You're a wimp; 2) You know you'd lose; 3) You're a coward; 4) You're a welcher. Aren't you a man of your word? Aren't you a man of your convictions? Again, please email me with the name, address, and phone number of your attorney and let's get this bet going! Did you by any chance want to increase the stakes to, say, $100,000? No-one talks to parasites, and it is impossible for a leech to make a bet. Everyone knows this. You already lostagain. You are not smart enough Shemp. PS. I'm not a Christian. OffWorld Quite right. Christians aren't supposed to welch on bets.
[FairfieldLife] Made in Britain and My son the fanatic
Made in Britain is a 1982 made-for-British-TV movie that stars Tim Roth as Trevor, a 16 year old-ish skinhead who is in constant trouble with the law. I had, wrongly, assumed that Roth's role as Myron in the excellent The Hit in 1984 was his breakthrough star turn. How wrong I was. His Trevor in Made in Britain is a tour-de-force and is what lead to every door opening in the industry for him. It's on par with, say, Ben Kingsley's performance as Don in Sexy Beast, a role that just speaks raw energy. The most frightening thing about Tim Roth's portrayal of Trevor are the little speeches and rants he gives throughout the movie about his philosophy of racism. Frightening because through sheer will he starts to convince you that maybe -- just maybe -- there is some logic or rational behind his hate. A sign of great screenwriting combined with an actor that can deliver the goods is what makes this a great picture. My son the fanatic is a British movie that, in a sense, parallels Mona Lisa. Both main protagonists are drivers of hookers. In this one, the Indian actor Om Puri plays a Muslim taxi driver in Northern England who becomes close to a hooker who he ends up protecting and loving. But he's got a wife and young adult son at home, a son who has abandoned his beautiful English girlfriend for the fanaticism of Islam. Yet his father is a lover of life and people who can't stomach religious fanaticism. The movie show how the father deals with the son and demonstrates who, truly, is God-like and is respectful of all people. I've probably seen Om Puri in bit parts in movies through the years but here he gives the performance of a lifetime: natural and convincing about a man of conviction who came to Britain from Pakistan to better his life and that of his family only to see his only child revert back to the nutcases he left Pakistan to get away from.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anonymous leeches can't bet with humans ------- Was////The bet is on:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: I'll need your name and a permanent address, and you'll need to sign some papers from my lawyer before you can make this bet, since an anonymous person is not a person, but a parasite, and no-one has ever made a bet with a parasite. Parasites cannot make bets. Its not possible. Please post your name and reliable address, town and country of birth. Your lawyer will get ALL of that information, along with a copy of my passport, driver's license, etc. Everything he needs to know who I am. That way people can treat you as a human who is then capapble of making a bet. I quite agree. That is a very reasonable request. So, once again I ask you: who are your lawyers, what is their address, and what is their phone number so that I may contact them. As of now, you are just an anonymous leech, sucking cyber-blood on the internet. Oh, you mean like YOUR Christian Name of Off_World? Well, we all know your REAL name because during one of your psychotic episodes of a few years back you blurted it out because you were under the delusion that new.morning was insulting your ex-wife. You remember that episode, don't you, Off? But I am not going to mention your real name here because, as you requested of me in your September 12, 2009 email to me, you are afraid if I post your real name that it will have a negative effect on your business because prospective clients will get these wacky postings of yours from FFL if they do a Google search on you. So your description of me as ananonymous leech, sucking cyber-blood on the internet is curious to say the least, seeing as you go under the name of Off_World and not your real name. Let me know when you become human, then you would be considred credible enough to make a bet. ...again, supply me with the name, address, and phone number of your attorney and I will be more than happy to comply. And if you feel uncomfortable posting that information on FFL, please feel free to email it to me. You know the address. Thank you...and I'm looking forward to the 6 month bet...and, in the spirit of gamesmanship, the outcome of the $50,000 prize. Care to up the amount? OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: [snip] I REALLY hope that RP will be the next Republican candidate. He'll be awesome, but he will be too busy agreeing with Obama on everything, to be able to win. OFF-WORLD PREDICTION: YOU will hear Ron Paul in an interview in the next 6 months saying that something needs to be done about the danger of Climate Change. Make a date. Put it in your diary. You WILL hear it right here, within 6 months. Are you a betting man? We could send the money to Rick Archer to hold. Let me know... Name your price? $50,000.00. Who is your lawyer and at what phone number and address may I contact him? My lawyer will issue you some papers to sign to make sure you don't try to get out of it, since I don't trust you. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: She Shot Him 6 Times
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Xl0Qry-hA .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earthquake shakes Cuba -- Is there something afoot?
The thing I found fascinating about Guantanamo Bay is that is ajuts the town of Guantanamo which is in Cuba proper. Did you know that since the Cuban revolution people from the Cuban side pass into the U.S. miltary side to work? I found this incredible when I heard it...and indeed up until I heard this story about three years ago there are still about 3 or 4 Cubans still alive who come to work for the Americans. I assume this is part of the treaty or else Castro wouldn't allow it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Yup, near Gitmo. God is angry. ;-) It's just a ride wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/03/20/cuba.earthquake/index.html?hpt=T2 I'm wondering if anyone has done a statistical analysis on the number and amount of earthquakes in the last few months versus other times. Seems there's another earthquake every time I check the news.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anonymous leeches can't bet with humans ------- Was////The bet is on:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: I'll need your name and a permanent address, and you'll need to sign some papers from my lawyer before you can make this bet, since an anonymous person is not a person, but a parasite, and no-one has ever made a bet with a parasite. Parasites cannot make bets. Its not possible. Please post your name and reliable address, town and country of birth. Your lawyer will get ALL of that information, along with a copy of my passport, driver's license, etc. So put up your name then coward, or you'll just be ignored. I am more than happy to put it forward to your attorney. Why should I put it up here? It has absolutely nothing to do with the bet! Methinks you are using this as an excuse to get out of the bet because: 1) You're a wimp; 2) You know you'd lose; 3) You're a coward; 4) You're a welcher. Aren't you a man of your word? Aren't you a man of your convictions? Again, please email me with the name, address, and phone number of your attorney and let's get this bet going! Did you by any chance want to increase the stakes to, say, $100,000? No-one talks to parasites, and it is impossible for a leech to make a bet. Everyone knows this. You already lostagain. You are not smart enough Shemp. PS. I'm not a Christian. OffWorld Quite right. Christians aren't supposed to welch on bets.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry: what can you tell us of Europe's reaction to Amanda Knox?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I don't know who Amanda Knox is and don't care. Most Europeans I know wouldn't know or care, either. Interesting. Most media accounts I've read or seen here specifically said that the Amanda Knox case was gripping all of Europe. Anther thing they got wrong, I suppose. It was a big deal here, Where is here? it had all the ingredients for a juicy story. Sex, drugs, murder, innocents abroad, allegedly incompetent/corrupt police. Endless speculation in the press divided along editors ethical lines, was she fitted up or is she a cold-blooded killer? General consensus among the lefty press is that they found her guilty to save face in the police dept even though there wasn't any real evidence and she'll be freed on appeal. The right wing press consider her spawn of the devil and guilty as charged. The rest of us wil probably never know. To be honest, if you had asked me this question a week ago, I would have said that I simply don't understand Americans' fascination with media-fueled crime stories. But now I've been stuck in my hotel room for extended periods of time waiting for conference calls with only my TV and remote control to amuse me, and I understand better. The programming on American TV is so bad that the crime stories on the news are often more entertain- ing. :-) The worst so far is Bad Girls Club, which seems to be what they call a reality show in which they pit seven or eight megabitches against each other for several days to see who can dirty-trick the others out of the running for Big Bitch. Horrific. I must admit to not having discovered anything I wasn't watching already that I feel like continuing to watch. I did watch a few more old episodes of Bones, and have come to like Zooey Deschanel's sister Emily. Not enough to keep watching the series, but she seems to be a better actress than Zooey. And they could easily both be TM meditators, so that may even reduces my anti-TM quotient. Since my friends here can't get together with me until 10:00 tonight, I'm looking forward to watching the resuming series Fastforward to see whether they'll be able to come up with anything interesting. But I haven't been able to make it through more than 2 or 3 minutes of *any* news show. Enough to realize that FOX is even more over-the-top than I thought it was, and that sadly most of the others aren't that far behind. So I'm really not the person to ask about some news story personality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The following is from amazon.com's product description of the book Angel Face: the true story of student killer Amanda Knox: Despite all the airtime devoted to Amanda Knox, it's still hard to reconcile the fresh-faced honor student from Seattle with the sexually rapacious killer convicted of the November 2007 murder of her British roommate. Few Americans have heard all of the powerful evidence that convinced a jury that Knox was one of three people to sexually assault Meredith Kercher, brutalize her body, and cut her throat. In Angel Face, Rome-based Daily Beast senior writer Barbie Latza Nadeau who cultivated personal relationships with the key figures in both the prosecution and the defense describes how the Knox family's heavy-handed efforts to control media coverage distorted the facts, inflamed an American audience, and painted an offensive, inaccurate picture of Italy's justice system. An eye-opener for any parent considering sending a child away to study, Angel Face reveals what really went on in this incomprehensible crime. I certainly was hoodwinked by several American news magazine stories (like 20/20 and Dateline) into believing that Knox was innocent. But after reading several blogs to the contrary, I believe she's quite guilty. Barry, are you aware of this case and, if so, can you give us Europe's reaction to it?
[FairfieldLife] The bet is on: $50,000.00!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: [snip] I REALLY hope that RP will be the next Republican candidate. He'll be awesome, but he will be too busy agreeing with Obama on everything, to be able to win. OFF-WORLD PREDICTION: YOU will hear Ron Paul in an interview in the next 6 months saying that something needs to be done about the danger of Climate Change. Make a date. Put it in your diary. You WILL hear it right here, within 6 months. Are you a betting man? We could send the money to Rick Archer to hold. Let me know... Name your price? $50,000.00. Who is your lawyer and at what phone number and address may I contact him? My lawyer will issue you some papers to sign to make sure you don't try to get out of it, since I don't trust you. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry: what can you tell us of Europe's reaction to Amanda Knox?
There are several HuffingtonPost stories on Amanda that have very lively comments sections. This is where I was challenged when I made my naive she's innocent comment. Here a link to one of the most lifely ones (again, read the comments sections): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/13/amanda-knox-jail-intervie_n_390274.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What have you found Shemp? I know a little about this crazy Italian prosecutor (under indictment in other cases for misconduct and abuse of power) from the book The Monster of Florence where he tried to run this whole satanic cult routine on an American journalist who was writing a book about a serial killer. That story was so parallel to what happened to Amanda that I'm still in the innocent camp. They have a ton of real forensic evidence on the guy they convicted first. What makes you think there is more to the story than the one guy with a rape motive who was not friends with Amanda doing the crime? And she would have to be really in cahoots with him because she mistakenly fingered another guy during the prolonged interrogation. An obviously innocent guy. A desperate move of a terrified girl. So she would have to be willing to go to jail rather than give the guy up. Why? He fled the country and Amanda and boyfriend stuck around and phoned in the crime. Then the guy they first convicted got caught and brought back to Italy doesn't immediately give up Amanda or the boyfriend either. He holds out until they give him a deal specifically for saying they were involved later. And comparing the family inflaming the American public to the inflaming articles in Italy with a non sequestered jury seems a bit much. A charge that the parents manipulated the media seems far fetched, it makes just as good a story either way. The judge basically said there was no motive. She just happened to get together with a drifter criminal and due to the consumption of stupefacente (refer madness)commit bloody murder? It was a total Helter Skelter scene with such a small amount of trace of Amanda and boyfriend that the it was destroyed by the prosecutor's testing so the defense couldn't have it independently tested. I would love to have my perspective rocked on this, where should I go, what blogs? The following is from amazon.com's product description of the book Angel Face: the true story of student killer Amanda Knox: Despite all the airtime devoted to Amanda Knox, it's still hard to reconcile the fresh-faced honor student from Seattle with the sexually rapacious killer convicted of the November 2007 murder of her British roommate. Few Americans have heard all of the powerful evidence that convinced a jury that Knox was one of three people to sexually assault Meredith Kercher, brutalize her body, and cut her throat. In Angel Face, Rome-based Daily Beast senior writer Barbie Latza Nadeau who cultivated personal relationships with the key figures in both the prosecution and the defense describes how the Knox family's heavy-handed efforts to control media coverage distorted the facts, inflamed an American audience, and painted an offensive, inaccurate picture of Italy's justice system. An eye-opener for any parent considering sending a child away to study, Angel Face reveals what really went on in this incomprehensible crime. I certainly was hoodwinked by several American news magazine stories (like 20/20 and Dateline) into believing that Knox was innocent. But after reading several blogs to the contrary, I believe she's quite guilty. Barry, are you aware of this case and, if so, can you give us Europe's reaction to it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul on Global Warming - Shemp still smarting from smackdown !
Thank you, Alex, for taking the time to find this. However, I don't hold out much hope that it will do any good vis a vis convincing Off_World that Paul's position is the opposite of Obama's. On many of the key, important issues I have, through quotes and citations, tried to show Off that the two gentlemen are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. I have been reading Ron Paul for years and admire him on many points he makes. I am almost completely opposed to what Barack Obama stands for. Yes, Paul and Obama agree on a few things, such as their opposition to the Iraq War (although they come to it from the opposite reasons). But on practically everything else, they disagree. So it was with great irritation that I have to continually read Off say that they are the same. Perhaps I am being too sensitive and should realize that most if not all of the readers on this forum don't give him any credibility any way. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Yawn. All of the quotes below undated or from 2007. Ron Paul's latest declarations on Global Warming? As Off already knows, Paul calls it a hoax: The greatest hoax I think that has been around for many, many years if not hundreds of years has been this hoax on [...] global warming. Ron Paul on Fox Business, Nov. 4, 2009 Where's the transcript? This is not credible. OffWorld http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-11-04/ron-paul-on-fox-business-its-business-as-usual-in-washington/ http://is.gd/aNcXa
[FairfieldLife] Barry: what can you tell us of Europe's reaction to Amanda Knox?
The following is from amazon.com's product description of the book Angel Face: the true story of student killer Amanda Knox: Despite all the airtime devoted to Amanda Knox, it's still hard to reconcile the fresh-faced honor student from Seattle with the sexually rapacious killer convicted of the November 2007 murder of her British roommate. Few Americans have heard all of the powerful evidence that convinced a jury that Knox was one of three people to sexually assault Meredith Kercher, brutalize her body, and cut her throat. In Angel Face, Rome-based Daily Beast senior writer Barbie Latza Nadeau who cultivated personal relationships with the key figures in both the prosecution and the defense describes how the Knox family's heavy-handed efforts to control media coverage distorted the facts, inflamed an American audience, and painted an offensive, inaccurate picture of Italy's justice system. An eye-opener for any parent considering sending a child away to study, Angel Face reveals what really went on in this incomprehensible crime. I certainly was hoodwinked by several American news magazine stories (like 20/20 and Dateline) into believing that Knox was innocent. But after reading several blogs to the contrary, I believe she's quite guilty. Barry, are you aware of this case and, if so, can you give us Europe's reaction to it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp and Alex prove Ron Paul is a liar.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: So what have you proven big guy? That Ron Paul is a jerk and idiot on some issues?? What I have demonstrated is that you are not to be trusted when you write something here on this forum. You are right, he is an idiot on some issues as I have said many times, just like his pretense of being anti-abortion, he is an obvious flake, and a flip=flopper, and you have proven that. What took me an inordinate amount of energy to demonstrate to you that you had it wrong shouldn't have. Here you are finally admitting you had it wrong when you could have done it after the first, obvious instance of pointing it out to you. You've wasted my time, Alex's time, and everyone else on this forum who have bothered to read these posts (and I suspect that many didn't bother, thankfully). He makes John Kerry look like a solid stalwart King of the ImmovableStupa. ( I threw that in for Cardemeister to go to work and figure some stuff out, instead of sitting around doing squat.) You are finally waking up to the fact that Ron Paul is a chancer and a player. But the fact is, that Ron Paul is still the best YOU Republicans have for a leader. I am not now nor have I ever been a Republican. You'd know that if you read my posts. However, Obama is far more of a world leader, modern man, and an usher of the future, than any Republican will ever be. Thank god we have Obama and not Ron Paul. That's a reflection on those that, fanatically, supported and endorsed Ron Paul. Gee, I wonder who on this forum fits such a description? I REALLY hope that RP will be the next Republican candidate. He'll be awesome, but he will be too busy agreeing with Obama on everything, to be able to win. OFF-WORLD PREDICTION: YOU will hear Ron Paul in an interview in the next 6 months saying that something needs to be done about the danger of Climate Change. Make a date. Put it in your diary. You WILL hear it right here, within 6 months. Are you a betting man? We could send the money to Rick Archer to hold. Let me know... OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Thank you, Alex, for taking the time to find this. However, I don't hold out much hope that it will do any good vis a vis convincing Off_World that Paul's position is the opposite of Obama's. On many of the key, important issues I have, through quotes and citations, tried to show Off that the two gentlemen are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. I have been reading Ron Paul for years and admire him on many points he makes. I am almost completely opposed to what Barack Obama stands for. Yes, Paul and Obama agree on a few things, such as their opposition to the Iraq War (although they come to it from the opposite reasons). But on practically everything else, they disagree. So it was with great irritation that I have to continually read Off say that they are the same. Perhaps I am being too sensitive and should realize that most if not all of the readers on this forum don't give him any credibility any way. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Yawn. All of the quotes below undated or from 2007. Ron Paul's latest declarations on Global Warming? As Off already knows, Paul calls it a hoax: The greatest hoax I think that has been around for many, many years if not hundreds of years has been this hoax on [...] global warming. Ron Paul on Fox Business, Nov. 4, 2009 Where's the transcript? This is not credible. OffWorld http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-11-04/ron-paul-on-fox-business-its-business-\ as-usual-in-washington/ http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-11-04/ron-paul-on-fox-business-its-business\ -as-usual-in-washington/ http://is.gd/aNcXa http://is.gd/aNcXa
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry: what can you tell us of Europe's reaction to Amanda Knox?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I don't know who Amanda Knox is and don't care. Most Europeans I know wouldn't know or care, either. Interesting. Most media accounts I've read or seen here specifically said that the Amanda Knox case was gripping all of Europe. Anther thing they got wrong, I suppose. To be honest, if you had asked me this question a week ago, I would have said that I simply don't understand Americans' fascination with media-fueled crime stories. But now I've been stuck in my hotel room for extended periods of time waiting for conference calls with only my TV and remote control to amuse me, and I understand better. The programming on American TV is so bad that the crime stories on the news are often more entertain- ing. :-) The worst so far is Bad Girls Club, which seems to be what they call a reality show in which they pit seven or eight megabitches against each other for several days to see who can dirty-trick the others out of the running for Big Bitch. Horrific. I must admit to not having discovered anything I wasn't watching already that I feel like continuing to watch. I did watch a few more old episodes of Bones, and have come to like Zooey Deschanel's sister Emily. Not enough to keep watching the series, but she seems to be a better actress than Zooey. And they could easily both be TM meditators, so that may even reduces my anti-TM quotient. Since my friends here can't get together with me until 10:00 tonight, I'm looking forward to watching the resuming series Fastforward to see whether they'll be able to come up with anything interesting. But I haven't been able to make it through more than 2 or 3 minutes of *any* news show. Enough to realize that FOX is even more over-the-top than I thought it was, and that sadly most of the others aren't that far behind. So I'm really not the person to ask about some news story personality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The following is from amazon.com's product description of the book Angel Face: the true story of student killer Amanda Knox: Despite all the airtime devoted to Amanda Knox, it's still hard to reconcile the fresh-faced honor student from Seattle with the sexually rapacious killer convicted of the November 2007 murder of her British roommate. Few Americans have heard all of the powerful evidence that convinced a jury that Knox was one of three people to sexually assault Meredith Kercher, brutalize her body, and cut her throat. In Angel Face, Rome-based Daily Beast senior writer Barbie Latza Nadeau who cultivated personal relationships with the key figures in both the prosecution and the defense describes how the Knox family's heavy-handed efforts to control media coverage distorted the facts, inflamed an American audience, and painted an offensive, inaccurate picture of Italy's justice system. An eye-opener for any parent considering sending a child away to study, Angel Face reveals what really went on in this incomprehensible crime. I certainly was hoodwinked by several American news magazine stories (like 20/20 and Dateline) into believing that Knox was innocent. But after reading several blogs to the contrary, I believe she's quite guilty. Barry, are you aware of this case and, if so, can you give us Europe's reaction to it?
[FairfieldLife] Hide the decline and rewrite history
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/03/hiding-a-different-decline-and-rewriting-history/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hide the decline and rewrite history
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: ShempMcGurk wrote: http://joannenova.com.au/2010/03/hiding-a-different-decline-and-rewriting-history/ So Comrade Shemp, what would you do if you didn't have global warming to complain about? All my fun would be ruined.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul on Global Warming - Shemp still smarting from smackdown !
Yawn. All of the quotes below undated or from 2007. Ron Paul's latest declarations on Global Warming? As Off already knows, Paul calls it a hoax: The greatest hoax I think that has been around for many, many years if not hundreds of years has been this hoax on [...] global warming. Ron Paul on Fox Business, Nov. 4, 2009 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Ron Paul on Global Warming: Global temperatures have been warming since the Little Ice Age. Studies within the respectable scientific community have shown that human beings are most likely a part of this process. snip I strongly oppose the Kyoto treaty. Providing for a clean environment is an excellent goal, but the Kyoto treaty doesn't do that. Also, the regulations are harmful for American workers, because it encourages corporations to move their business overseas to countries where the regulations don't apply I am more than willing to work cooperatively with other nations to come up with policies that will safeguard the environment, but I oppose all nonbinding resolutions that place an unnecessary burden on the United States. When asked by Bill Maher if he thinks the Federal Government should be involved in stopping Global Warming, Ron Paul replied: Then you have to deal with the volcanoes, and you have to deal with China... so what are you going to do, invade China so they don't pollute? ... But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't do what we can to slow up the emissions and stop subsidizing big oil companies. I don't like subsidizing oil companies. They've been doing that for years. We go to war to protect oil, so that we can buy more oil, and burn more oil. So I say our foreign policy contributes to global warming -- by subsidizing a policy that is deeply flawed. And that's why we're in the Middle East, to protect oil interests. When asked if efforts to slow down Global Warming should be increased, Dr. Paul replied: Yes. Because he does not support any piece of legislation not specifically authorized by the Constitution, Paul votes against most bills that involve government spending or expanded government initiatives; thus he does not seek legislation to combat the global warming. Instead, he advocates reducing emissions, halting subsidies to oil companies, and altering a war-for-oil foreign policy that in itself contributes to global warming. http://pesn.com/2007/11/05/9500456_RonPaul_on_GlobalWarming/ http://pesn.com/2007/11/05/9500456_RonPaul_on_GlobalWarming/ OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul on Global Warming - Trying this again - stuff got cut off.
Check the dates of my Ron Paul quotes and YOUR Ron Paul quotes and you'll see that mine are more recent than ALL of your's. And yet my Ron Paul quote -- in which he says it appears to all be a fraud -- was said BEFORE you said that he believed in AGW. Again, you stand corrected. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Ron Paul on Global Warming A Plug for the Candidate by Sterling D. Allan http://pureenergysystems.com/about/personnel/SterlingDAllan/index.html Pure Energy Systems News: The fringe candidate that has been taking the Internet by storm measures his stance on global warming the same he does most all issues -- by the U.S. Constitution. Ron Paul on Global Warming: Global temperatures have been warming since the Little Ice Age. Studies within the respectable scientific community have shown that human beings are most likely a part of this process. snip I strongly oppose the Kyoto treaty. Providing for a clean environment is an excellent goal, but the Kyoto treaty doesn't do that. Also, the regulations are harmful for American workers, because it encourages corporations to move their business overseas to countries where the regulations don't apply I am more than willing to work cooperatively with other nations to come up with policies that will safeguard the environment, but I oppose all nonbinding resolutions that place an unnecessary burden on the United States. When asked by Bill Maher if he thinks the Federal Government should be involved in stopping Global Warming, Ron Paul replied: Then you have to deal with the volcanoes, and you have to deal with China... so what are you going to do, invade China so they don't pollute? ... But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't do what we can to slow up the emissions and stop subsidizing big oil companies. I don't like subsidizing oil companies. They've been doing that for years. We go to war to protect oil, so that we can buy more oil, and burn more oil. So I say our foreign policy contributes to global warming -- by subsidizing a policy that is deeply flawed. And that's why we're in the Middle East, to protect oil interests. When asked if efforts to slow down Global Warming should be increased, Dr. Paul replied: Yes. Because he does not support any piece of legislation not specifically authorized by the Constitution, Paul votes against most bills that involve government spending or expanded government initiatives; thus he does not seek legislation to combat the global warming. Instead, he advocates reducing emissions, halting subsidies to oil companies, and altering a war-for-oil foreign policy that in itself contributes to global warming. http://pesn.com/2007/11/05/9500456_RonPaul_on_GlobalWarming/ http://pesn.com/2007/11/05/9500456_RonPaul_on_GlobalWarming/ OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Umpires needed: Does this answer Shemp's questions?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on: the same credentials. Shemp, take away health care for a moment. What is it you find to be so objectionable about Obama's presidency so far? Pretty much the same thing I found objectionable about Bush: the deficit. Two years ago with about $10 trillion in National Debt, the United States paid about $230 billion in interest on its National Debt. That represents about $700 per person per year. That's peanuts. Am I right you are therefore against the Bush tax cuts for the rich because of this scenario? That would have made this figure smaller per person, and the rich, who are experts at avoiding taxes by all legal means, would hardly notice any significant difference if those tax cuts were repealled. Problem solved, debt paid. Bush left us with a national debt of 11.3 trillion dollars, plus he hid the cost of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. The national debt clock today shows 12.5 trillion, and Obama had the war costs put on the books properly. So what's your point again Shemp? I don't get it. OffWorld Off, it's time for you to come clean on your false representations on Ron Paul. You never responded to my previous posts on this subject. Time for you to come clean to me and everyone here. You can't keep misrepresenting yourself without being called on it. I responded to your questionso on this many times, You never read the responses, because you do not like facts. Go back and find the responses yourself. I am not answering this AGAIN! OffWolrd No, you didn't. Your response to post #243274, in which I demonstrated to you that Ron Paul's stance on embryonic stem cell research was the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what you represented it to be, didn't address anything. And where was your respone to post #243273 in which I demonstrated to you that Ron Paul's position on two of today's biggest issues -- global warming and abortion -- are completely opposite of what you believe? Umpires needed. Shemp has completely gone off the rails. Does this below answer Shemp's questions? In answer to your poorly argued attention seeking BS, I already answered them in these posts. You may not LIKE the answers (you NEVER will), but I DID answer your dumbass questions. Post 243282 - embryonic research Wrong. He is against government funding of it. ...BUT THAT IS THE NEOCON'S POSITION!! LOOK, THE WHOLE ISSUE ON EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH VIS A VIS THE GOVERNMENT IS WHETHER THE GOVERNMENT SUPPORTS PROVIDING GOVERNMENT FUNDS. OBAMA IS FOR GIVING FUNDS FOR IT; THE NEOCONS AND RON PAUL ARE AGAINST IT. Post 243271 - Scientific evidence They (he and Obama) are both for science over religious Neocon fanaticism. EVERYONE IS AGAINST FANATICISM BUT RON PAUL IS ON THE SAME SIDE AS THE NEOCONS IN THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. Post 243233 - Support for socialist healthcare: Ron Paul is all about charities too. ie. Giving. He believes that helping others comes naturally. He just doesn't understand that in an age of ignorance, with ignoramouses such as you, there needs to be an organized effort to help others in a way that the consensus in society feels is best (rather than your ignorant inefficient ideas) -- and that is called socialism. Socialism is the wave of the future. AND RON PAUL IS AGAINST SOCIALIZED MEDICINE AND OBAMA IS FOR IT. AND RON PAUL IS THE ANTITHESIS OF SOCIALISM. Post 243241 - Ron Paul more like Obama than anybody (Like I explained to you in the past Shemp, Ron Paul just doesn't KNOW that he is pretty much the same. That is where Ron Paul fails. He, like Sarah Palin, DOESN'T EVEN REALISE THAT HE IS PRO-CHOICE !He said it in interviews. He wants no punishment for the woman or doctor. THAT IS PRO-CHOICE you MORON! ) (a big Al Gore-like sigh here) CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU WRITE IMMEDIATELY ABOVE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Umpires needed: Does this answer Shemp's questions?
If you are going to misrepresent Ron Paul's position on issues, such as you do below with the abortion issue, AND AT THE SAME TIME CUT OUT THE LINK I PROVIDED IN ORDER TO DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU MISREPRESENTED HIS POSITION, I cannot continue this exercise: http://www.ontheissues.org/tx/Ron_Paul_Abortion.htm Not only is your blatant misrepresentation dishonest, your elimination of the link is, I believe, completely deceitful and lacking in integrity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on: the same credentials. Shemp, take away health care for a moment. What is it you find to be so objectionable about Obama's presidency so far? Pretty much the same thing I found objectionable about Bush: the deficit. Two years ago with about $10 trillion in National Debt, the United States paid about $230 billion in interest on its National Debt. That represents about $700 per person per year. That's peanuts. Am I right you are therefore against the Bush tax cuts for the rich because of this scenario? That would have made this figure smaller per person, and the rich, who are experts at avoiding taxes by all legal means, would hardly notice any significant difference if those tax cuts were repealled. Problem solved, debt paid. Bush left us with a national debt of 11.3 trillion dollars, plus he hid the cost of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. The national debt clock today shows 12.5 trillion, and Obama had the war costs put on the books properly. So what's your point again Shemp? I don't get it. OffWorld Off, it's time for you to come clean on your false representations on Ron Paul. You never responded to my previous posts on this subject. Time for you to come clean to me and everyone here. You can't keep misrepresenting yourself without being called on it. I responded to your questionso on this many times, You never read the responses, because you do not like facts. Go back and find the responses yourself. I am not answering this AGAIN! OffWolrd No, you didn't. Your response to post #243274, in which I demonstrated to you that Ron Paul's stance on embryonic stem cell research was the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what you represented it to be, didn't address anything. And where was your respone to post #243273 in which I demonstrated to you that Ron Paul's position on two of today's biggest issues -- global warming and abortion -- are completely opposite of what you believe? Umpires needed. Shemp has completely gone off the rails. Does this below answer Shemp's questions? In answer to your poorly argued attention seeking BS, I already answered them in these posts. You may not LIKE the answers (you NEVER will), but I DID answer your dumbass questions. Post 243282 - embryonic research Wrong. He is against government funding of it. ...BUT THAT IS THE NEOCON'S POSITION!! No they want it outlawed. Ron Paul is all for the scientific research. LOOK, THE WHOLE ISSUE ON EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH VIS A VIS THE GOVERNMENT IS WHETHER THE GOVERNMENT SUPPORTS PROVIDING GOVERNMENT FUNDS. OBAMA IS FOR GIVING FUNDS
[FairfieldLife] Re: Umpires needed: Does this answer Shemp's questions?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Your link says nothing about which punishment he would give to doctors or women, but in an interview he said he would not punish them. Case closed. This is getting ridiculous. Of course he said they should be punished. Didn't you read the link? From the link: Q: If abortion becomes illegal and a woman obtains an abortion anyway, what should she be charged with? What about the doctor who performs the abortion? A: The first thing we have to do is get the federal government out of it. We don't need a federal abortion police. That's the last thing that we need. There has to be a criminal penalty for the person that's committing that crime. And I think that is the abortionist. As for the punishment, I don't think that should be up to the president to decide. He is pro-choice and he doesn't even know it. This is where he is weak, and has not thought this issue through, although he is right on many other issues, and on the one he holds most dear - anti-war. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: If you are going to misrepresent Ron Paul's position on issues, such as you do below with the abortion issue, AND AT THE SAME TIME CUT OUT THE LINK I PROVIDED IN ORDER TO DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU MISREPRESENTED HIS POSITION, I cannot continue this exercise: http://www.ontheissues.org/tx/Ron_Paul_Abortion.htm http://www.ontheissues.org/tx/Ron_Paul_Abortion.htm Not only is your blatant misrepresentation dishonest, your elimination of the link is, I believe, completely deceitful and lacking in integrity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on: the same credentials. Shemp, take away health care for a moment. What is it you find to be so objectionable about Obama's presidency so far? Pretty much the same thing I found objectionable about Bush: the deficit. Two years ago with about $10 trillion in National Debt, the United States paid about $230 billion in interest on its National Debt. That represents about $700 per person per year. That's peanuts. Am I right you are therefore against the Bush tax cuts for the rich because of this scenario? That would have made this figure smaller per person, and the rich, who are experts at avoiding taxes by all legal means, would hardly
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on: the same credentials. Shemp, take away health care for a moment. What is it you find to be so objectionable about Obama's presidency so far? Pretty much the same thing I found objectionable about Bush: the deficit. Two years ago with about $10 trillion in National Debt, the United States paid about $230 billion in interest on its National Debt. That represents about $700 per person per year. This cost, please bear in mind, was born while interest rates were, as they are now, at historic lows. Obama has not only taken Bush's ridiculously high deficits but expanded them to an unbelievable level: $1.6 trillion. What will happen when interest rates go up WHICH THEY MUST AT SOME POINT? When nations such as China stop buying our debt, in order to attract them to buying it, interest rates will have to go up. So, for starters, triple the $230 billion figure to $750 billion a year on the $10 trillion. And that's based on putting interest rates up to a meager 6 or 7 percent interest figure. Not a hard level to reach. Then double the $10 trillion national debt to $20 trillion which we'll reach in about 3 or 4 years. That $750 billion a year in interest will now be $1.5 trillion a year in interest. This represents about $4-5,000 a person, per year, just to service the debt. Factor out the people who don't pay any tax (about 50% of all taxpayers) and you're looking at about $8-10,000 per person per year to service the debt. And all that without reducing the debt at all. And by this time Barack Obama will be out of office and concentrating on his presidential library oblivious to it all. They say that most empires in history ended because of the debt they incurred. This is probably the end of America as we know it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: [snip] That's peanuts. Am I right you are therefore against the Bush tax cuts for the rich because of this scenario? No, that is precisely why I am FOR the tax cuts for the HIGHER tax brackets (which, yes, affect the rich). Lowering the higher tax brackets INCREASED tax revenue. The problem was lowing the lower tax brackets which DECREASED tax revenues. That would have made this figure smaller per person, No, the opposite would have happened. You know not of what you speak. and the rich, who are experts at avoiding taxes by all legal means, would hardly notice any significant difference if those tax cuts were repealled. Problem solved, debt paid. Bush left us with a national debt of 11.3 trillion dollars, plus he hid the cost of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. The national debt clock today shows 12.5 trillion, and Obama had the war costs put on the books properly. So what's your point again Shemp? I don't get it. Keep reading the post over and over again until you do. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: Ok, that makes sense. I thought it might be for other reasons. I agree. I think we're in trouble. But you don't really see that reflected in the markets. Dollar has regained strength. Gold is moderating. Of course sentiment can change quickly. People knew for years we were in deep shit regarding the mortgage crisis. Yet the stock market reached unprecedented highs. Same thing happening here, I believe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on: the same credentials. Shemp, take away health care for a moment. What is it you find to be so objectionable about Obama's presidency so far? Pretty much the same thing I found objectionable about Bush: the deficit. Two years ago with about $10 trillion in National Debt, the United States paid about $230 billion in interest on its National Debt. That represents about $700 per person per year. This cost, please bear in mind, was born while interest rates were, as they are now, at historic lows. Obama has not only taken Bush's ridiculously high deficits but expanded them to an unbelievable level: $1.6 trillion. What will happen when interest rates go up WHICH THEY MUST AT SOME POINT? When nations such as China stop buying our debt, in order to attract them to buying it, interest rates will have to go up. So, for starters, triple the $230 billion figure to $750 billion a year on the $10 trillion. And that's based on putting interest rates up to a meager 6 or 7 percent interest figure. Not a hard level to reach. Then double the $10 trillion national debt to $20 trillion which we'll reach in about 3 or 4 years. That $750 billion a year in interest will now be $1.5 trillion a year in interest. This represents about $4-5,000 a person, per year, just to service the debt. Factor out the people who don't pay any tax (about 50% of all taxpayers) and you're looking at about $8-10,000 per person per year to service the debt. And all that without reducing the debt at all. And by this time Barack Obama will be out of office and concentrating on his presidential library oblivious to it all. They say that most empires in history ended because of the debt they incurred. This is probably the end of America as we know it.
[FairfieldLife] Come Clean first, Off
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on: the same credentials. Shemp, take away health care for a moment. What is it you find to be so objectionable about Obama's presidency so far? Pretty much the same thing I found objectionable about Bush: the deficit. Two years ago with about $10 trillion in National Debt, the United States paid about $230 billion in interest on its National Debt. That represents about $700 per person per year. That's peanuts. Am I right you are therefore against the Bush tax cuts for the rich because of this scenario? That would have made this figure smaller per person, and the rich, who are experts at avoiding taxes by all legal means, would hardly notice any significant difference if those tax cuts were repealled. Problem solved, debt paid. Bush left us with a national debt of 11.3 trillion dollars, plus he hid the cost of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. The national debt clock today shows 12.5 trillion, and Obama had the war costs put on the books properly. So what's your point again Shemp? I don't get it. OffWorld Off, it's time for you to come clean on your false representations on Ron Paul. You never responded to my previous posts on this subject. Time for you to come clean to me and everyone here. You can't keep misrepresenting yourself without being called on it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: Shemp, So you advocate lowering income tax rates. At what rate of income is tax revenue maximized ? Please don't insult our intelligence by suggesting 0%. -Mainstream Let me answer that question in two ways: 1) My ideal federal income tax system would be a flat tax system: 17% flat tax rate and no payroll tax. 2) If our starting point was the current 6 tax brackets (10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33%, 35%) I would raise the 10 and 15 brackets to 17% and lower the 25, 28, 33, and 35 brackets to 17%. And, of course, no payroll tax. ...and not to insult your intelligence but there is actually an answer that is 0% and that is what they call the Fair Tax which as I understand it says no income tax, no payroll tax, and no corporate tax but a consumption tax on all goods and services. Not sure whether I advocate that yet. And I forget off hand what the rate would be. In addition to its income tax, Canada has a goods and services tax somewhat like the above. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: [snip] That's peanuts. Am I right you are therefore against the Bush tax cuts for the rich because of this scenario? No, that is precisely why I am FOR the tax cuts for the HIGHER tax brackets (which, yes, affect the rich). Lowering the higher tax brackets INCREASED tax revenue. The problem was lowing the lower tax brackets which DECREASED tax revenues. That would have made this figure smaller per person, No, the opposite would have happened. You know not of what you speak. and the rich, who are experts at avoiding taxes by all legal means, would hardly notice any significant difference if those tax cuts were repealled. Problem solved, debt paid. Bush left us with a national debt of 11.3 trillion dollars, plus he hid the cost of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. The national debt clock today shows 12.5 trillion, and Obama had the war costs put on the books properly. So what's your point again Shemp? I don't get it. Keep reading the post over and over again until you do. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Ok, that makes sense. I thought it might be for other reasons. I agree. I think we're in trouble. But you don't really see that reflected in the markets. Dollar has regained strength. Gold is moderating. Of course sentiment can change quickly. People knew for years we were in deep shit regarding the mortgage crisis. Yet the stock market reached unprecedented highs. Same thing happening here, I believe. What is of real concern of the wealthy is the inevitable return to progressive taxation; the noise from Republicans about deficit spending is meant to distract from the solution - much higher marginal tax rates on the top earners. The problem for Obama is that he has been told by the statisticians and people at Treasury that if he raises the tax rates on the rich (i.e., raise the top tax brackets) it may make his base happy but it will result in the opposite of what he wants and needs: more tax revenue. He'll get less. And he also knows that he's got to raise the lower brackets. So how does he put forward what is essentially a libertarian agenda when he is a far left democrat? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on: the same credentials. Shemp, take away health care for a moment. What is it you find to be so objectionable about Obama's presidency so far? Pretty much the same thing I found objectionable about Bush: the deficit. Two years ago with about $10 trillion in National Debt, the United States paid about $230 billion in interest on its National Debt. That represents about $700 per person per year. This cost, please bear in mind, was born while interest rates were, as they are now, at historic lows. Obama has not only taken Bush's ridiculously high deficits but expanded them to an unbelievable level: $1.6 trillion. What will happen when interest rates go up WHICH THEY MUST AT SOME POINT? When nations such as China stop buying our debt, in order to attract them to buying it, interest rates will have to go up. So, for starters, triple the $230 billion figure to $750 billion a year on the $10 trillion. And that's based on putting interest rates up to a meager 6 or 7 percent interest figure. Not a hard level to reach. Then double the $10 trillion national debt to $20 trillion which we'll reach in about 3 or 4 years. That $750 billion a year in interest will now be $1.5 trillion a year in interest. This represents about $4-5,000 a person, per year, just to service the debt. Factor out the people who don't pay any tax (about 50% of all taxpayers) and you're looking at about $8-10,000 per person per year to service the debt. And all that without reducing the debt at all. And by this time Barack Obama will be out of office and concentrating on his presidential library oblivious to it all. They say that most empires in history ended because of the debt they incurred. This is probably the end of America as we know it.
[FairfieldLife] How long does it take to perfect such a signature?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/14/robert-gibbs-health-care_n_498\ 370.html I'm sure Liberace and Carrot Top have equally flamboyant signatures. And, indeed, when I was about 14 years old and fancied myself a rock star I practised my signature 100s of times in order to come up with something like this. But a president??? This is bizarre. Where did a Harvard graduate and constitutional law professor find the time to practise such a signature? And what was he thinking as he practised it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to Shemp
I didn't know Paul Krugman was a participant on this forum. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Ok, that makes sense. Lurk, it really doesn't. Almost all of what has been added to the deficit under Obama has been to keep the economy (which began falling apart largely as a result of Bush's policies) from crashing completely. The big problem is that he didn't add *enough* to the deficit to really do the job; all he did was save the banks and Wall Street, at least for the time being, and make a pathetically small inroad on unemployment. He hasn't managed to put in place what's needed to keep this from happening again, worse, which is more regulation. I thought it might be for other reasons. I agree. I think we're in trouble. The problem is long-term deficits. Short-term deficits that lift the economy are beneficial. If they work, the short-term part gets paid off. Not making that distinction, as Shemp does not, is misleading in the extreme. Here's a pretty good basic explanation of deficit spending: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/20/making-heads-and-tails-of-the-cbo-budget-numbers/ http://tinyurl.com/yeaq7h8 This was written a year ago, before we knew what would be involved in healthcare reform. Whether the program they're now trying to pass will cut costs sufficiently is a whole 'nother question (as is whether it'll get passed at all).
[FairfieldLife] Off_World, Bullshit Artist extraordinaire, can't come clean
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on: the same credentials. Shemp, take away health care for a moment. What is it you find to be so objectionable about Obama's presidency so far? Pretty much the same thing I found objectionable about Bush: the deficit. Two years ago with about $10 trillion in National Debt, the United States paid about $230 billion in interest on its National Debt. That represents about $700 per person per year. That's peanuts. Am I right you are therefore against the Bush tax cuts for the rich because of this scenario? That would have made this figure smaller per person, and the rich, who are experts at avoiding taxes by all legal means, would hardly notice any significant difference if those tax cuts were repealled. Problem solved, debt paid. Bush left us with a national debt of 11.3 trillion dollars, plus he hid the cost of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. The national debt clock today shows 12.5 trillion, and Obama had the war costs put on the books properly. So what's your point again Shemp? I don't get it. OffWorld Off, it's time for you to come clean on your false representations on Ron Paul. You never responded to my previous posts on this subject. Time for you to come clean to me and everyone here. You can't keep misrepresenting yourself without being called on it. I responded to your questionso on this many times, You never read the responses, because you do not like facts. Go back and find the responses yourself. I am not answering this AGAIN! OffWolrd No, you didn't. Your response to post #243274, in which I demonstrated to you that Ron Paul's stance on embryonic stem cell research was the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what you represented it to be, didn't address anything. And where was your respone to post #243273 in which I demonstrated to you that Ron Paul's position on two of today's biggest issues -- global warming and abortion -- are completely opposite of what you believe?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Financial Crimes of GW Bush.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Bush left us with a national debt of 11.3 trillion dollars, plus he hid the cost of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. The national debt clock today shows 12.5 trillion, and Obama had the war costs put on the books properly. OffWorld Your math doesn't make sense. Bush left office over a year ago. If he left us with a national debt of 11.3 trillion and you're saying that the current national debt clock is 12.5 trillion, that's a difference of only 1.2 trillion (despite the fact that the deficit is $1.6 trillion, not 1.2 trillion). So where are the hidden costs of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars if Obama put the war costs on the books? These costs didn't come with revenue attached to them; they are expenses and would therefore be put properly by Obama on the debt side of things. I always hear that the war in Iraq alone has cost $1 trillion. If that's the case, the national debt clock should be 13.5 trillion, not 12.5 trillion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to deal with films critical of religion? Try to ban or censor them.
This attempt by the Church of Scientology to get this film blocked lessens my opinion of them. Simply because if you want less people to see a negative film about you, the last thing you do is try and get it banned. Haven't they heard of the concept of banned in Boston? A sure way to make your movie or book a hit is to get people thinking there is something that is so much of interest or controversy that you try and squelch it. A guarantee for good box office. The makers of the film must be thanking the Church for their donation of free publicity for the film. I wasn't aware that TM did this, contrary to what Barry writes below. Certainly, the TMO will do this vis a vis blocking access to MUM students or course participants but I wasn't aware that they did this to the general public. Could he or anyone supply some examples? And is Barry correct about The Simpson's? I remember a South Park episode about Tom Cruise and his alleged homosexuality being attacked by Scientology, but wasn't aware of a Simpson's episode. And, by the way, the ONLY South Park episode I ever saw was the Tom Cruise one precisely because Scientology and/or Cruise tried so hard to have it banned that I simply had to watch it, proving my point above. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: How the Church Of Scientology is choosing to deal with this German film critical of its organization is interesting, because we don't know yet how the TM organization is going to deal with the German film David Wants To Fly. Both organizations have a history of trying to legally suppress critical comment about them. Heck, the Scientologists tried to have an episode of The Simpsons banned, probably because its writers were being mean to them. We'll just have to wait and see whether the TMO takes the same ban the critics who are being mean to us approach. Scientologists Try To Block Highly Critical Film The Church Of Scientology has expressed anger at a German TV film that is reported to be critical of the controversial organization. Germany's state broadcaster, ARD, is planning to broadcast the film, titled Bis Nichts Mehr Bleibt, which translates as Until Nothing Remains. The 90-minute drama tells the story of Heiner von Ronns, a German man who leaves the organization after donating a large amount of money, and ends up losing contact with his daughter and wife, who remain members. The film is based on a true story. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/11/scientologists-try-block-ge\ rman-film Reports indicate http://www.thelocal.de/society/20100308-25733.html the film is notable for being extremely critical of the organization, portraying it is totalitarian and dangerous. Scientology leaders called the drama a piece of propaganda and have sought to censor the film before its broadcast, criticizing the state station for not supporting religious tolerance. Jürg Stettler, a spokesman for Scientology in Germany, said, We will show that the so-called expert engaged by ARD Ursula Caberta is feeding the media false information, adding that the film's reportedly true story is fabricated. Exactly the opposite of what ARD shows is the truth, he said. ARD's programme director Volker Herres has dismissed the accusations, and hit out against Scientology. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/7425124/Scient\ ologists-try-to-ban-critical-German-feature-film.html We're not dealing here with a religion, rather with an organization that has completely different motives, he said. Scientology is about power, business, and building up a network. Its lessons are pure science fiction, it's no religion, no church, no sect. The Church of Scientology has had a difficult history in Germany, where it is officially designated an anti-constitutional organization. In 2007, the German protestant church called Tom Cruise the Goebbels of Scientology http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/07/23/german-church-tom-cruise-_n_57\ 390.html after Cruise, a prominent member, starred in the film Valkyrie, set in Nazi Germany. The following year the German government attempted to ban the organization after reports of illegal activity http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/21/germany-drops-scientology_n_14\ 5537.html .
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to deal with films critical of religion? Try to ban or censor them.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: This attempt by the Church of Scientology to get this film blocked lessens my opinion of them. ... I wasn't aware that TM did this, contrary to what Barry writes below. Certainly, the TMO will do this vis a vis blocking access to MUM students or course participants but I wasn't aware that they did this to the general public. Could he or anyone supply some examples? I was thinking not of any films but of the online seminar that John Knapp had organized. The TMO's lawyers contacted him and made threats if he went ahead with it, so he canceled the seminar. ...and now that you mention it, someone -- presumably the TMO -- had that youtube of that German Rajah calling for invincibility for germany removed. That pissed me off more than when the copyright holders had them remove my favorite youtube version of the Bangles Walk like an Egyptian. The German audience rising in spontaneous opposition to that nutcase was great theatre...and especially the part where you see Bevan stealthily sneaking offstage once things start to go south. But unless you're looking for it, you miss it And is Barry correct about The Simpson's? I remember a South Park episode about Tom Cruise and his alleged homosexuality being attacked by Scientology, but wasn't aware of a Simpson's episode. Now that you mention it, that may be the episode I was thinking of. Stupid of the Scientologists to try to censor it, whichever show it was on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to deal with films critical of religion? Try to ban or censor them.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: This attempt by the Church of Scientology to get this film blocked lessens my opinion of them. Simply because if you want less people to see a negative film about you, the last thing you do is try and get it banned. Haven't they heard of the concept of banned in Boston? A sure way to make your movie or book a hit is to get people thinking there is something that is so much of interest or controversy that you try and squelch it. A guarantee for good box office. Interestingly, the producers of the recent film about Darwin tried to evoke precisely this result by claiming it couldn't get a distributor because the distributors were afraid of protests. Not sure it did them much good, though, given the film's very mixed critical reception. Even more interesting is this paragraph from the Guardian article at the link: The filming of Valkyrie sparked numerous clashes between the filmmakers and the government, which initially prevented them from filming on several historical sites, including the Bendler Block where Stauffenberg was hanged, due in part to Cruise's association with Scientology. The ban was eventually lifted. The HuffPo article Barry quotes doesn't mention that the attempts at film-banning have gone both ways. It does note that the German government took a good stab at banning the Scientology organization itself: The following year the German government attempted to ban the organization after reports of illegal activity. According to the linked article, it had to drop the attempt for lack of evidence of illegal activity. I suppose that trying to get something banned is NOT, as I write above, always a sure way to success. It doesn't always work. Donald Trump seems to be successful in threatening to sue people and getting them to shut up about him. I'm thinking Rosie O'Donnell who was stifled by The Donald when she attempted to show that not only wasn't he worth as much as he claimed but that he was on the verge of bankruptcy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: India 'issues' zero rupee banknotes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.ride@ wrote: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:30 PM, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@wrote: I find it amusing that the man who royally fucked up India's economy for 50 years -- Mahatma Gandhi -- graces the zero rupee note. That's what his economic policies are worth. I saw the movie Gandhi about a year or two after visiting that hell-hole known as India for a TM course. I was the only one in the theatre cheering for the British. You cheer for one of the most wicked, blood-sucking, evil, violent, inhumane, blood-chillingly cruel, imperialistic empires of all times? Yes, proudly. Britain and its common law brought freedom to corners of the world that had never seen it. Britain was largely responsible for ending the practise of slavery throughout the world in which it was practised by many cultures. You've been listening to Lyndon Larouche a wee bit too much. I cheer for the British everytime I have to watch the DVD of Ghandi. At least the British were civilized and white. Hold on. Those two are synonymous. -- As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on: the same credentials.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians Urged to Boycott Glenn Beck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/11/christians-urged-to-boycott-gl enn-beck/?hp This is great news for TM initiations! If everyone was to leave churches that preached social justice the only church left to go to would be the TM Church because as we all know the TM organisation NEVER, EVER does anything in the social field.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Howard Stern talking about TM yesterday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickm...@... wrote: From: Ken Chawkin kchaw...@... Passing this on to you. It was sent to me from a friend. His comments. Download File. Only available till the end of the week. https://rcpt.yousendit.com/832215985/e70f5ef79e108dc9538ff1d2edad529c This audio recording is of a section of yesterday morning's Howard Stern show in which he talked about TM - influential and amusing!! Thought you might find this amusing. It caused a big increase in contacts to our call center. 95% is Howard joking about his mother bugging him about whether he meditates or not; then Robin talks about Carl Rove and Tiger Woods, and then the last 30 seconds are the great plug. What a goof ball. This can be a companion piece to Howard's rant about Gabourey Sidibe, also from this past week: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVzv-SmPtbU Sweet guy, that Howard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chief Catholic Exorcist : Satan Is in the Vatican
I thought the devil was inhabiting Pat Robertson's body. Isn't Pat privy to the deal Satan made with the Haitians 200 years ago? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican From The Times - March 11, 2010 Richard Owen in Rome [Gabriele Amorth, an exorcist in the diocese of Rome poses in Rome, 2005.] Giulio Napolitano, AFP / Getty Images Rev. Gabriele Amorth, who served as the Catholic Church's chief exorcist for 25 years, claims the devil has infiltrated the Vatican. Sex abuse scandals in the Roman Catholic Church are proof that that the Devil is at work inside the Vatican, according to the Holy See's chief exorcist. Father Gabriele Amorth, 85, who has been the Vatican's chief exorcist for 25 years and says he has dealt with 70,000 cases of demonic possession, said that the consequences of satanic infiltration included power struggles at the Vatican as well as cardinals who do not believe in Jesus, and bishops who are linked to the Demon. He added: When one speaks of 'the smoke of Satan' [a phrase coined by Pope Paul VI in 1972] in the holy rooms, it is all true including these latest stories of violence and paedophilia. He claimed that another example of satanic behaviour was the Vatican cover-up over the deaths in 1998 of Alois Estermann, the then commander of the Swiss Guard, his wife and Corporal Cedric Tornay, a Swiss Guard, who were all found shot dead. They covered up everything immediately, he said. Here one sees the rot. A remarkably swift Vatican investigation concluded that Corporal Tornay had shot the commander and his wife and then turned his gun on himself after being passed over for a medal. However Tornay's relatives have challenged this. There have been unconfirmed reports of a homosexual background to the tragedy and the involvement of a fourth person who was never identfied. Father Amorth, who has just published Memoirs of an Exorcist, a series of interviews with the Vatican journalist Marco Tosatti, said that the attempt on the life of Pope John Paul II in 1981 had been the work of the Devil, as had an incident last Christmas when a mentally disturbed woman threw herself at Pope Benedict XVI at the start of Midnight Mass, pulling him to the ground. Father José Antonio Fortea Cucurull, a Rome-based exorcist, said that Father Amorth had gone well beyond the evidence in claiming that Satan had infiltrated the Vatican corridors. Cardinals might be better or worse, but all have upright intentions and seek the glory of God, he said. Some Vatican officials were more pious than others, but from there to affirm that some cardinals are members of satanic sects is an unacceptable distance. Father Amorth told La Repubblica that the devil was pure spirit, invisible. But he manifests himself with blasphemies and afflictions in the person he possesses. He can remain hidden, or speak in different languages, transform himself or appear to be agreeable. At times he makes fun of me. He said it sometimes took six or seven of his assistants to to hold down a possessed person. Those possessed often yelled and screamed and spat out nails or pieces of glass, which he kept in a bag. Anything can come out of their mouths finger-length pieces of iron, but also rose petals. He said that he hoped every diocese would eventually have a resident exorcist. Under Church Canon Law any priest can perform exorcisms, but in practice they are carried out by a chosen few trained in the rites. Father Amorth was ordained in 1954 and became an official exorcist in 1986. In the past he has suggested that Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were possessed by the Devil. He was among Vatican officials who warned that J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter novels made a false distinction between black and white magic. He approves, however, of the 1973 film The Exorcist, which although exaggerated offered a substantially exact picture of possession. In 2001 he objected to the introduction of a new version of the exorcism rite, complaining that it dropped centuries-old prayers and was a blunt sword about which exorcists themselves had not been consulted. The Vatican said later that he and other exorcists could continue to use the old ritual. He is the president of honour of the Association of Exorcists. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7056689.ece
[FairfieldLife] This is what I've been saying all along
For those who think that we don't already have socialized medicine in the United States, think again. We already have humungous spending by government in the healthcare field...and this article confirms it. Half of every healthcare dollar spent in the United States is by the government. From: http://www.slate.com/id/2247393/ http://www.slate.com/id/2247393/ What Government Takeover?The bogus Republican claim that Obamacare is a government takeover of one-sixth of the economy. By Daniel GrossPosted Tuesday, March 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM ET There have been lots of absurdities in the debatesuch as it isabout health care reform. There's the hypocrisy http://www.slate.com/id/2225664/ of people dependent on government-run health care complaining about government-run health care. And now comes the Republican canard that the current health care reform proposal constitutes a government takeover of one-sixth of the economy. Here are Rep. Steve Buyer http://stevebuyer.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=154029 of Indiana, Rep. John Fleming http://www.votesmart.org/speech_detail.php?sc_id=508040keyword=phrase\ =contain= of Louisiana, and Sen. Jim DeMint http://demint.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=JimsJournal.Detail\ Blog_ID=06302d5c-a7ea-fd3c-e0d7-1ca1dfaa9d9b of South Carolina making precisely that argument. First, the proposed health care reform does not take over the system in any sense. Much to the chagrin of progressives, the bills under consideration don't contain a public option and don't provide for a single payer. In fact, they provide subsidies for millions of people to purchase private insurance. Second, such statements reveal how pathetically little many of our policymakers and pundits understand American health care spending. We're already halfway toward socialized medicine, but not because of Obamacare. (Here's a column I wrote about this in December 2006 http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/03/business/yourmoney/03view.html .) Over the last couple of decades, as the private sector has done a miserable job controlling costs, as employers have felt less and less compelled to offer health care benefits as a condition of employment, as the population has aged, and as the government created new health care entitlements, the government has been slowly assuming a higher portion of health care spending in the United Statesor taking it over. Check out Table 123 in the CDC's big annual report http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus09.pdf . In 1990, health care expenditures in the United States were split, 60-40, between the private and public sectors. By 2000, the ratio had fallen to 55.9-44.1. In other words, in the 1990s, a period in which Republicans controlled the House for six years, the share of health spending controlled by the government rose by 10 percent. The trend continued in the period from 2000 to 2008, when Republicans controlled the White House and largely controlled Congress. The recession boosted the poverty rate, making more people eligible for Medicaid, and led to the reduction of millions of payroll jobs, which led to losses in job-related insurance.* #Correction By 2008, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services http://www.cms.hhs.gov/NationalHealthExpendData/downloads/tables.pdf , private health care expenditures had fallen to 52.7 percent and public had risen to 47.3 percent. In pretty much every year of the Bush administration, the government took over a greater chunk of the health care sector. And many of the Republicans who are complaining about reform proposals today didn't utter a peep. In fact, they helped the process along by voting for the Medicare prescription drug benefit in 2003. (Hat tip to Jonathan Cohn of The New Republic for the references http://www.tnr.com/blogs/the-treatment .) CMS also notes http://www.cms.hhs.gov/NationalHealthExpendData/downloads/proj2009.pdf that thanks to these trends, public spending will soon outpace private spendingeven in the absence of significant reform. As a result of more rapid growth in public spending, the public share of total health care spending is expected to rise from 47 percent in 2008, exceed 50 percent by 2012, and then reach nearly 52 percent by 2019. So, to reiterate, we're already half way toward fully socialized medicine. The government has already taken over one-twelfth of the economyand more every day. That's the status quo the opponents of reform are defending. Correction, March 10, 2010: The original sentence mistakenly referred to Medicare instead of Medicaid. (Return #Return to the corrected sentence.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: http://bigthink.com/ideas/18172 at about 00:58 To answer the question of this thread: did I ever have this experience in India? Yes, similar ones. How did it influence me? I understood it to be what it was: a ruse to separate me from my money by some unscrupulous mountebanks. A little girl of 8 with a baby in her arms? Does any rational person believe for one minute that a parent would allow a child to run in the streets in the rain with a younger sibling like that? No, of course not. The parent(s) or the mastermind were most likely off to the side overseeing the ruse. After all, this IS India and this sort of thing happens all the time. I was accosted from the moment I stepped foot out of the New Delhi airport to the moment a month later when I stepped foot onto the Pan Am 747 that was to bring me home. Along the way I developed the mindset that, a few years later, would bring me to cheer the British while watching that silly movie Gandhi which, of course, provides the answer Raj Patel's question as to who is responsible for the mess he experienced in India which is Gandhi. Raj Patel, like the demon Noam Chomsky in America, will do whatever he can to increase the poverty and starving of the masses in India and around the world. India finally has started to get away from the kind of influence Gandhi, Chomsky, and Patel would impose upon India when they embraced globalization and free markets about 20 years ago. These horrible people want India to return to government control and inefficiency.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://bigthink.com/ideas/18172 at about 00:58 I have it more now then when I was in India. Although I experienced baby's as begging props and the visceral horror of lepers thrusting their finger nubs at me while in open tri-wheel cabs, I had bought into the Hindu idea that this situation WAS fair when I was in India. It is his rejection of that cruel ideology that makes his thinking so attractive to me. He is saying something that is the opposite view of the karmic belief system, it's not fair! They didn't earn this suffering by their bad deeds in a past life, they just drew the short straw in life by chance. And we can act to change this unfairness. I think it is fascinating that you are promoting a guy who explicitly states that he does not belief in God and whose views are so much more inline with Gandhi than Guru Dev. High five for that Nabby. ...perhaps more in line with Gandhi than Guru Dev, but not Maharishi who in his later years, like Gandhi, had a visceral reaction to democracy and globalisation. Recall that Gandhi sentenced several generations of Indians to dire poverty by his protectionist policies...that's what that whole silly spinning of cotton crap that he was engaged in was meant to do AND be symbolic of: we grow the cotton in India and we ship it off to England to be manufactured! Well, we must do the whole vertical manufacturing here in India! Grow, spin, manufacture, make into clothing, said the insane economist Gandhi. And 10s of millions of Ambassador cars later that never worked properly and the rest of the economy that were crippled by this policy and, finally, India is getting out of the grip of that madness. Raj Patel wants India to go back to that and so did Maharishi from what I could tell. Of course we may have very different reasons for liking his ideas but it has served as an interesting intersection for our very different opinions about the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: GW Bush: Miss Me Yet?...Well...Apparently Not
Who would miss George Bush? He's the one who created these horrible deficits and overspending. He was a liberal through and through and Obama took most of his policies and went to a greater degree with them. And, gee, who has increased war activities since Bush left office? Could it be our community organiser Nobel Peace Prize winner-in-chief? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: In early February, it became one of those intriguing little political stories that gets 30 seconds at the end of the national evening news. You might recall that it was then that some enterprising Republican business owners erected a billboard along I-35 in Minnesota featuring George W. Bush's grinning visage and three critical words: Miss Me Yet? Well, according to a new poll conducted by John Zogby on behalf of the right-wingers over at Newsmax, the answer to that question is...well...no. [A billboard along Interstate 35 in...] Photo by AP-A billboard along Interstate 35 in Wyoming, Minn., carries an image of former President George W. Bush and reads Miss me yet?. Photo: http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20100210/724d06_ltpBushBi\ llboard.jpg A new Zogby/Newsmax poll shows President Obama would beat George W. Bush in a hypothetical match up, 48% to 38%. Said Zogby: Despite the turbulent crises that face Barack Obama and the sense of dashed expectations that Americans, especially independents and moderates, feel, he still handily defeats George W. Bush in a face-off. http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/03/08/voters_still_prefer_obama_t\ o_bush.html http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/03/08/voters_still_prefer_obama_\ to_bush.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: [snip] I'm kind of skeptical that any economic ideology has this all figured out. I'm a fan of free market capitalism but I have seen it really fuck up big time. The devastation caused by not regulating the mortgage markets and the creation of insane derivatives have brought the real estate market to its knees. Watching that should be pretty humbling to some people who thought the market would correct itself. We are facing a decade at least of painful correction here in my area. [snip] I would argue that it was regulations that caused much if not most of the problems with the mortgage markets, not the lack of regulation. And where lack of regulation was at fault, I would argue that it was trusting the overbearing, cumbersome federal government to have oversight for the regulation that was the problem and if regulation was needed, we will be far, far better served by having that regulation imposed upon us by a more local regulation overseer, such as the states. The derivatives you refer to are, I assume, the Credit Default Swaps (CDSs) which AIG was dealing in. Well, they are truly great financial instruments and any banks that were using them to hedge against the risk inherent in the mortgages they were holding were actually doing a very responsible thing because in the event of a downturn in the market, the CDSs were supposed to act like insurance policies and eliminate most of the loss that would occur. But, of course, the problem was that the CDSs weren't backed up by adequate assets; the issuers of the CDSs, such as AIG, were selling them uncovered. And when it came time to pay, they couldn't. So everything collapsed. But why, pray tell, did a bank or other institution holding those risky mortgage-bundles buy CDSs that would turn out to be useless? Could it have been that the credit rating agencies, such as Moody's and Standard and Poor, had given AIG their top ratings? If I were a financial institution buying CDSs to protect against the risk of the mortgages I held and saw that AIG had the top credit rating, could I be blamed for trusting that the CDSs swaps would work? Well, it turns out that AIG was in shitty financial shape and hadn't a fraction of the assets to back up the, literally, trillions that the CDSs that they sold were supposed to protect against. Yet the credit rating agencies nevertheless gave AIG a clean bill of health. Why? Well, one reason is that there was no competition for the rating agencies...and if there isn't any competition, where was the incentive for them to do a good job by providing accurate reports on the companies they were rating. YOU SEE, CURTIS, THE CREDIT RATING AGENCIES WERE SANCTIONED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS THE OFFICIAL RATING AGENCIES. Indeed, certain financial transactions couldn't be done in America without the okay by these agencies. There wasn't competition in the credit rating industry because the federal government gave their official blessing to three of them and three only. So it was regulation that created the situation where agencies gave such a high rating to a company that didn't have the assets to back up what they sold. As for having the federal government be the regulator where regulation is needed, I say: look at the 50 states' Deparments of Insurance. Yes, insurance companies failed during this recent crisis but in terms of dollar amount, it is only a very small fraction compared to the problems banks had. One of the reasons is that state insurance regulations require banks to have very safe, conservative investments to back up the policies sold and in percentages much higher than for banks. So why we would want the SEC -- which, for example, ignored 10 years of complaints to them that Maldoff was running a Ponzi Scheme -- to oversee CDSs, I do not know. I say: if we need regulation, let the states do it 'cause they have a much greater track record than fucking Congress and the U.S. government whose record with banks is,simply, atrocious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq: Does the snow in Spain....
With all the global cooling going on, I can't imagine it doesn't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: also fall in Sitges? :-D http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/09/spain-snowstorms-wreak-havoc
[FairfieldLife] Re: For shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9Qu4a_dJO0feature=related Anything Paul McCartney does seems great. Thank you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq: Does the snow in Spain....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Nah. It's just Mother Earth trying to rid herself of an outbreak of humanus. ;-) Humanus...is that hummous made with human flesh instead of chick peas? ShempMcGurk wrote: With all the global cooling going on, I can't imagine it doesn't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: also fall in Sitges? :-D http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/09/spain-snowstorms-wreak-havoc
[FairfieldLife] Re: And now for something completely different
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: http://gimundo.com/videos/view/wonderful-guitar-music-from-botswana/ This is one of the most entertaining and sensual guitar styles I have ever seen. This makes me happy in every way. Seeing and hearing that video reminded me two things: 1) that blind Canadian rock guitarist who recently died. Like the player in the video he too had unconventional fingering style. 2) Paul Simon's album from the '80s called Graceland that used a lot of south African music (Ladysmith Black Mambasso?). A lot of the same guitar sounds.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The 'Pig Man' prefers Costa Rican Health Care
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: In case you aren't up on the news Rush Limbaugh declared that if health care reform passes he is going to leave the country. Leave it for Costa Rica. To show you how dense he is Costa Rica has a national health care system. Rush Limbaugh has so many hundreds of millions of dollars that he doesn't really need a healthcare system as he is one of the few lucky ones who can pay as he goes, so I doubt the question of Costa Rica's health policies made a difference to him one way or the other in his choice of where to emigrate to. Warm weather and nice beaches were probably more of a consideration. Also, he said that if the health care bill passes AND the major points are implemented in 5 years, then he would leave.
[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul on global warming: an elaborate hoax
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: [snip] That you supported Obama? Nope, it confirms to me that you shouldn't have been in Ron Paul's camp in the first place. They are both against the Iraq war and Guantanomo. They are both against against corporate control of government. They are both for science over religious Neocon fanaticism. They are more alike than anybody. [snip] They are polar opposites. Indeed, they come to their similar positions that you list above from the opposite sides of the political spectrum. You said in a previous post that you missed Paul's position on global warming. I don't know how, as it is easy to google it. Here's what Ron Paul said about global warming: http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/global-warming/ Is Obama a believer? Of course he is. Ron Paul is against abortion and against a woman's right to choose. Obama supports choice.Abortion is murder, says Ron Paul. Indeed, one would say he is fanatical about it. And if you had seen the following quotes of his without knowing it was Ron Paul, you would call him a nutcase neo-con, as you do with everyone you disagree with. See: http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm Now, that's just two issues but everyone would agree that they are two of the most important, major issues of our time. On virtually everything else, the two men disagree. But instead of ME having to do the work to prove this (which I've done extensively in the past) I'm going to invite YOU to do your homework and report back to us so that you have a chance to correct yourself, apologise for being wrong, and stand corrected. That way you can have at least some dignity and credibility left.
[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul squarely against embryonic stem cell research
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: [snip] They are both for science over religious Neocon fanaticism. [snip] I can't imagine that you are referring to anything but embryonic stem cell research, as this is the primary science over religion issue prevalent in American society today. Ron Paul's record on this issue is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what you write above and claim is his position. Here is Ron Paul's positions: - Embryonic stem cell programs not constitionally authorized. (May 2007) - Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007) - Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005) From: http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm Off_World, you stand corrected. I've now shown you that of the ONLY THREE issues that you said Paul was the same on as Obama that one of them he is the complete opposite from Obama. In another post I've shown you that on two of the other biggest issues of our time -- global warming and abortion -- Paul is the complete opposite from Obama. Must we continue this? Is it not obvious that you are so completely wrong as to be embarrassing yourself?
[FairfieldLife] Pita or saaaandwich?
Pita if I want something light; Sndwich is preferable in the winter months.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?
WillyTex is more than happy to put you up for the night, Barry... IN HIS CHICKEN COOP OUT BACK BEHIND THE OUTHOUSE! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL travelers or even...gulp!...Texans. I have to spend several nights in...gulp!...Houston, Texas. I've never been there before, except driving through on the Interstate. If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's Houston. IS there such a thing as a cool neighborhood to stay in in Houston, Texas? By cool I mean within walking distance of a number of good restaurants, bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs. Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before- hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay in the worst part of town. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?
I've never been to Houston, although I once flew into its airport for a connecting flight. What struck me as I was flying in was how it's downtown area had such specific boundaries. That is, all of a sudden at a certain boundary all the skyscrapers appeared. Flat, low-rising buildings and then, all the skyscrapers all together. It looked like the Emerald City from the Wizard of Oz. Has anyone else had that impression of the skyline of Houston? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: TurquoiseB: OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL travelers or even...gulp!...Texans. I have to spend several nights in...gulp!...Houston, Texas. I've never been there before, except driving through on the Interstate. If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's Houston. IS there such a thing as a cool neighborhood to stay in in Houston, Texas? By cool I mean within walking distance of a number of good restaurants, bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs. Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before- hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay in the worst part of town. :-) There's a Motel 6 out on Highway 290 West. It's in the best part of town, in other words, out of town.
[FairfieldLife] Referendum
I believe in representative democracy. That is, we elect people to represent us. Once elected and sitting in their legislature, I trust our elected representatives to make the important decisions for us. But for those issues where our representatives are NOT able to capably represent us and come to a firm decision as a result of the cut and thrust of parliamentary debate, alternatives should be looked at. The healthcare debate is one such example. What I think should happen is this: a referendum question with a yes or no option for the voter should be presented on a national level. And the question should be something to the effect: Do you want a universal one-payer system for healthcare in the United States? And then let the games begin. Enough already with the nuances, compromises, and all the crap that is happening. Let the people decide once and for all. Enough with this on-going debate. What do you folks think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?
Am I correct about the Emerald City effect? Do you know what I am referring to? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Yes, it has a beautiful skyline, just like you said and very modern. However, the city covers a lot of square miles and you need a car to get around it. Spring is a nice time to see Houston, not hot yet, but definitely not cold, temps in the upper 60's and low 70's. The country side north and west of the city is covered in wild flowers by early April. Fields covered with Blue Bonnets and Indian Paintbrush are a sight to see. From: ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?  I've never been to Houston, although I once flew into its airport for a connecting flight. What struck me as I was flying in was how it's downtown area had such specific boundaries. That is, all of a sudden at a certain boundary all the skyscrapers appeared. Flat, low-rising buildings and then, all the skyscrapers all together. It looked like the Emerald City from the Wizard of Oz. Has anyone else had that impression of the skyline of Houston? --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, WillyTex willytex@ . wrote: TurquoiseB: OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL travelers or even...gulp! ...Texans. I have to spend several nights in...gulp!.. .Houston, Texas. I've never been there before, except driving through on the Interstate. If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's Houston. IS there such a thing as a cool neighborhood to stay in in Houston, Texas? By cool I mean within walking distance of a number of good restaurants, bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs. Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before- hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay in the worst part of town. :-) There's a Motel 6 out on Highway 290 West. It's in the best part of town, in other words, out of town.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Referendum
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: You are aware that isn't one of the issues on the table, right? So what would be the point? My personal choice; what I would like to see. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I believe in representative democracy. That is, we elect people to represent us. Once elected and sitting in their legislature, I trust our elected representatives to make the important decisions for us. But for those issues where our representatives are NOT able to capably represent us and come to a firm decision as a result of the cut and thrust of parliamentary debate, alternatives should be looked at. The healthcare debate is one such example. What I think should happen is this: a referendum question with a yes or no option for the voter should be presented on a national level. And the question should be something to the effect: Do you want a universal one-payer system for healthcare in the United States? And then let the games begin. Enough already with the nuances, compromises, and all the crap that is happening. Let the people decide once and for all. Enough with this on-going debate. What do you folks think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Referendum
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I believe in representative democracy. That is, we elect people to represent us. Once elected and sitting in their legislature, I trust our elected representatives to make the important decisions for us. But for those issues where our representatives are NOT able to capably represent us and come to a firm decision as a result of the cut and thrust of parliamentary debate, alternatives should be looked at. The healthcare debate is one such example. What I think should happen is this: a referendum question with a yes or no option for the voter should be presented on a national level. And the question should be something to the effect: Do you want a universal one-payer system for healthcare in the United States? You would lose that vote. But the question should only be Do you want to be able to be part of a public option that can compete with the insurance industry? --- since that is the most radical thing Obama has proposed. He never proposed a single payer system. You have been brain-washed. I never said he did propose such a thing. I am proposing such a thing, turd brain. And, hey, where is your response to the research I did showing that what you said about Ron Paul was full of shit? Are you avoiding it? And you would lose the vote, so I am all for a referendum. You have been brain-washed by your silly right wing talking points blogs if you think you would win either of these votes. Besides, the Republican, Neocon, Fundie Christian fanatics, and their UberLords would likely fix the vote anyway, like they did in the 2000 and 2004 elections. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Spanish/Portuguese-speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America for initiating 2 million students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Sorry, I don't really want to sound so cynical and negative. Indeed, 35 years ago I truly believed Maharishi could pull off things like this because the TMO did indeed present itself -- snip Relax. Maharishi's devotees are doing it, big time. I happen to know that everything Maharishis promised, down to the smallest detail, will be fulfilled in due time. Every detail ! He did indeed create heaven on earth as a seed; now His students are fulfilling that promise. Don't feel bad about jumping The Ship; you are always welcome back. Funny, but I always felt that everyone else in the Movement -- in other words, nutcase fanatics like you, Nabby -- had jumped ship and that it was I who was the one who did the TM Program as it was originally presented. I know this is your thinking, you've said so before on numerous occasions. Nothing wrong about that whatsoever. Whoever took Maharishi seriously and simply did what you did is in my book a hero. One could write volumes about this, as it will be. Well, I'm speechless, Nabby. Thank you for your very kind words. I appreciate it. His project was and is so infinitely large. If someone took one little piece of that infinite project seriously in his own life; all glory to him ! When I was a little boy and would do something my mother didn't like I would often protest that I was right. And be stubborn about it. My mother would reply: Sure. You're right and the rest of the world is wrong. How prophetic she was. Your mother was a hero too. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Referendum
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I believe in representative democracy. That is, we elect people to represent us. Once elected and sitting in their legislature, I trust our elected representatives to make the important decisions for us. But for those issues where our representatives are NOT able to capably represent us and come to a firm decision as a result of the cut and thrust of parliamentary debate, alternatives should be looked at. The healthcare debate is one such example. What I think should happen is this: a referendum question with a yes or no option for the voter should be presented on a national level. And the question should be something to the effect: Do you want a universal one-payer system for healthcare in the United States? You would lose that vote. But the question should only be Do you want to be able to be part of a public option that can compete with the insurance industry? --- since that is the most radical thing Obama has proposed. He never proposed a single payer system. You have been brain-washed. I never said he did propose such a thing. Why would anyone have such a vote then? It seems a completely random question un-related to any current topic that anyone is talking about. Why not just have a vote asking should we make dogfood so that it glows in the dark when it comes out the other end of the dog? I am proposing such a thing, turd brain. And, hey, where is your response to the research I did showing that what you said about Ron Paul was full of shit? Are you avoiding it? I didn't see it. You post too much in your desperate attempt for attention. Post it again. But I am not discussing anything with someone who's best response is 'turd-brain'. Over and out. OffWorld Oh, I see. So you can call me brain-washed and all the other invectives in all the other posts you spew towards me but you get all huffy and puffy and weepy like a high school dilletante because I called you turd-brain? Truth be told, you're just using that as an excuse not to respond to the research. And it's not that difficult to find as I posted it within the last 24 hours...ON A THREAD YOU YOURSELF WERE POSTING ON. But if you're too scared to go and face it, here's the summary: I WAS RIGHT AND YOU WERE WRONG.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
Hey, do we yet know who the Missus is? The woman Tony Nader Ramarama Who-Ha married? And what her title is? And les deux enfants? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: After replying to Buck earlier about the different ways we saw the recently-posted video of Raj Raam and Raja Hagelin and Jerry, it occurred to me that I'd really like to hear Raj Raam's *job description*. Hi don't get upset (experimenting dude-wise:courtesy of advise and credit to (Jai)John Manning) n Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? About the position and the function of Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Ram (King Tony) and why he did not speak. It was explained (by Bevan ) that Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Ram was Leading from the field of Silence this is the Silent Administration - and this is Vedic leadership it was explained. always the most silent level is nourishing and governing. Total knowledge, pure knowledge is on the silent level -notes from the Global Family chat of Sunday, Feb. 10, 2008 - reported by Dr. Peter Swan, Minister of Communication SILENCE SILENCE SILENCE Never occurred to anyone that the marriage of Tony Abu Ali Dan Nadar, anointed as the first ruler of the Global Country of world peace His Majesty Raja Nader Ram renamed in 2000 by the Maharishi, renamed Maharaja Dhiraaj Raja Ram could been a predesigned coup and arrangement just to make sure that HE will get used to be quiet and silent. So to make sure HE dares not to speak up. What a genius idea: In one stroke HE becomes mainstream and million followers without initiation silent husband has 5,880,000 (and/or 9.910.000 )search hits Here we need may be the charming Grand Lady Judy, the diamond stone (Stein), of this FFL DUDE RANCH(Barry speech/slang) to research. I'd sure love to read it if anyone knows of anything like this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Spanish/Portuguese-speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America for initiating 2 million students
Oh, Goody. Another War of the Religions spectacle coming our way. Time for the evangelical Latino community to come out of the woodwork and do their thing. Although largely Catholic, evangelicals hold a significant spot in the Latin American religious community and they will, of course, look not too kindly upon this encroachment upon their territory. Now, I don't know much about this latest TM mission in Latin America but as soon as I saw the numbers 2,000,000 I can only imagine that some unsuspecting Latin American politician or dictator (although there's not too many of those around these days in Latin America) decreed some sort of program in conjunction with a nutcase Rajah. If that's the case, the inevitable TM is a religion and subsequent websites, etc. will crop up putting the Kabash on the whole thing quite quickly. Sorry, I don't really want to sound so cynical and negative. Indeed, 35 years ago I truly believed Maharishi could pull off things like this because the TMO did indeed present itself -- and, more importantly, conducted itself -- as a secular organisation dispensing a non-denominational mental technique that could pass the smell test of we are not a religion (yes, even with the puja, this test can be passed). But the TMO has abandoned all that and gone the way of ships and shoes and ceiling wax and cabbages and KINGS. And you can't have your cult and eat it, too. Maharishi abandoned the secular route consciously and purposely. You can't go back now. Oh, I suppose you can if you make some really, really MAJOR changes but that would require doing away with the trappings that have become the focal point of the TMO now: kooky hats, kings, yagyas with pundits, flying, MAPI products coming out the ying-yang, facing East fanaticisms, etc. etc. And no one in the TMO is prepared for that. So sit back and enjoy the show. This Latin American folly will, sadly, go the way of the David Lynch Foundation's attempts to do anything in the public separation of church and state schools in America. Nada as they say in Spanish. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickm...@... wrote: From: mailto:vedamer...@...merlin Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:06 AM Subject: To Spanish/Portuguese-speaking TM teachers wanted for Latin America Spanish / Portugese speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America for initiating 2 million students Dear Friends, Our dear enlightened Raja Luis needs you for initiating about 2 million school kids and students in Latin America, if you speak Spanish or Portuguese. This is a great opportunity for you. Do you remember about 30 years ago, Maharishiji told us, that there will come a time when there will be so many initiations that the teachers will flee into the forests? This glorious time now has come for you. So please just fill out this form below and reply the mail to me at vedamer...@... Jai Guru Dev, Michael Merlin First name: Family name: Age: gender: Country: City: Email address: Telephone: Year you made TTC: Place: Languages you speak: How many months you can come: When you can come: Any questions: P.S. If you do not speak Spanish or Portuguese, then please help find someone by forwarding this mail to some meditating friends or TM teachers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and sensitivity?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: During the intro lectures TM teacher said something like (paraphrasing) TM won't make you cool as cucumber. In fact, you might become more sensitive, but it won't affect your self anymore. As I've told before, I almost gave up learning TM when I heard that. (Or, that might have been during the group checking after initiation in which case the previous sentence should be modified accordingly, ;) During the past few years I've noticed an interesting increase in sensitivity. Namely, been occasionally using XZ hair oil (by Berner, F-land) since the end of 60's. Only a few years back noticed that applying that oil has a fairly strong soothing and relaxing effect, I guess a bit like shirodhara(sp?) in AV. Furthermore, I've always been emotionally more sensitive than most people I know, but lately have become almost painfully that. Which could be a very good thing indeed ! And several more sensitivities of body and mind... http://www.xz.fi/user_data/pix/uudet_tuotekuvat3/aito_oljyhoito.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Tiger incident corrected
You've all got it wrong. First of all, it wasn't a rifle that felled the great Tiger, it was a shaft of iron. And, secondly, it wasn't Nancy Cooke de Herrera's son, Rick, who attacked the Tiger but this woman: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: All anyone has to do is read the relevant passage. Obviously you haven't read the book, so, I don't know why you're opening your pie hole about Rick Cooke and the tiger episode. What's up with that? Joe: You're really into pie holes today aren't you? Why do almost all of your posts start with RE: and begin and end on one line, Joe? What's up with that? What's up with that? I dunno Tex, it's just how I roll. Go figure. What the big fuss?What ajoke. Rick did /do not shoot tiger since - and when then only with his photo camera for National Geographic- About the character of his mother: Her so called biographic account Beyond Guru speaks for itself-Don't we all agree with that? Is the shooting(motivation+intention+excuse+explaination) fuss discussion because we are in the year of tiger? [:D] Keep cool.Take it easy! Take it as. Why this has not been settled before? Plenty of possibilities:See 23 January 1974 - 10 February 1975: Wood Tree (Wu Xing) Tiger 9 February 1986 - 28 January 1987: Fire (Wu Xing) Tiger 28 January 1998 - 15 February 1999: Earth (Wu Xing) Tiger 15 February 2010 - 2 February 2011: Metal (Wu Xing) Tiger Hope until 2.Feb. this discussion will be gone and the so calledmystery will be solved. More important seems to be aware of certain change in the movement IMO! BTW without intention to start a new war and with the hope this will end here: Sad to say, but Barry's description of her fits all insider movement reaction toward her. So don't shoot the messenger, please
[FairfieldLife] Re: --- The most HOLY POEM ever written for Mankind !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Just out of curiosity, how would you suggest he respond? Respond to WHAT? He knocked off some nookie. So what? Are you suggesting he *owes* someone something? ...and I don't know if anyone else noticed this on his damage control video statement but he did have the biggest smile on his face. Half the cat that ate the canary smile and half ooh, that felt good smile (with just a touch of it's nice to be Da King thrown in for good measure). I don't know anything about this guy or his movement but if he's NOT supposed to be a celibate then, hey, he should have a good time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: BTW, for those that may be interested, here is a link to Swami Nithyananda's first response to his sex scandal. I couldn't see where he was going to have a lot of wiggle room, and there's not much for him to say, except that what he did was not illegal. Nor is there anything to apologize for. I've read some of the reports coming out of India, that they are going to try to charge him with cheating On whom? Are they going to call Lakshmi or Parvati into court to say, He done me wrong? Or, even more interesting, do the same with Shiva? I can just see the big blue guy standing up in court and saying, Yeah, he was promised to *me*, and here I find him in bed with some hussy! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Shemp - Here's something we'll both like
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/opinion/07friedman.html?emc=eta1 Wonderful and inspiring. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. My favorite line from the article: If this works, said Khosla, coal-fired power would become more than 100 percent clean. Not only would it not emit any CO2, but by producing clean water and cement as a byproduct it would also be taking all of the CO2 that goes into making those products out of the atmosphere. Now, as you know, I don't buy into any of the CO2 hooey. Indeed, I even feel that putting CO2 into the atmosphere has some good effects. But if someone comes up with something like this then who can complain? I suspect that the same process can be used for the tar sands in Alberta. I keep reminding people here that the tar sands in Alberta have more oil than Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the U.S., Iran, and Iraq have in proven reserves combined. But it is expensive and takes a lot of carbon burning to produce. If this technology can be used with the tar sands then 100% of oil can be gotten domestically. I know, I know: Canada is a foreign country. Yeah, technically. But it's Canada and most Americans actually think it's like Puerto Rico any way: some sort of territory owned by Americans but not quite a state. And if Quebec separates -- which could very well happen -- then Canada will disintegrate soon afterwards and Alberta -- the more American-friendly of the 10 provinces -- could very well join the U.S. And then we'd have clean oil for the next 100 years, all obtained domestically.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Spanish/Portuguese-speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America for initiating 2 million students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Sorry, I don't really want to sound so cynical and negative. Indeed, 35 years ago I truly believed Maharishi could pull off things like this because the TMO did indeed present itself -- snip Relax. Maharishi's devotees are doing it, big time. I happen to know that everything Maharishis promised, down to the smallest detail, will be fulfilled in due time. Every detail ! He did indeed create heaven on earth as a seed; now His students are fulfilling that promise. Don't feel bad about jumping The Ship; you are always welcome back. Funny, but I always felt that everyone else in the Movement -- in other words, nutcase fanatics like you, Nabby -- had jumped ship and that it was I who was the one who did the TM Program as it was originally presented. When I was a little boy and would do something my mother didn't like I would often protest that I was right. And be stubborn about it. My mother would reply: Sure. You're right and the rest of the world is wrong. How prophetic she was.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alice in Wonderland beats Avatar opening weekend
At $2.5 billion worlwide box office, I still believe Avatar will hit my prediction of obtaining $3 billion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Sorry Shemp. It looks like Avatar is going to lose out to Tim Burton's PG rated Alice in Wonderland in 3D. I might like to see it but it will probably have to be an early matinee to avoid mom talking the kids to a movie after school. I hear that Burton did not hoke up the 3D in this one. http://www.deadline.com/2010/03/100m-weekend-for-alice-in-wonderland/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wonderful Spartacus: Blood and Tits review
I can never read or hear the title Spartacus without thinking of Cher Horowitz's interpretation of it in the movie Clueless: Sporaticus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: It's too bad that Starz is yet another $18 a month subscription on Comcrap err... I mean XXX-finity. If they had a 6 month for $7 a month promo I might sign up. But sadly these days there's little to offer even with my current subscription. I was surfing what OnDemand movie to watch and saw almost nothing that was of interest. Then I went to the pay OnDemand and cruised those and found little or nothing to catch my interest. With the latter I have some coupons that will defray part of the cost. Rome was very good but I tired of it by season three and stopped watching. I got tired of it early on and stopped watching. It's good that you remind me of the realities of whether you can see these TV series or not. Me, I'm an eyepatch-wearer in a country that is way tolerant of eyepatches, so I get to see pretty much anything I want. This series really does deserve Heather's review. I've never seen anything quite like it. She really nails it, so much so I want to date her. :-) It's this amazing blend of soft-core porn and hard-core violence, played *exactly* as she suggests, with the former as foreplay, but the Big O delivered with the latter. Blood splashing everywhere in ways that makes 300 look like a Saturday morning children's cartoon. Naked or near-naked bodies everywhere. And naked whatever your preference is in naked. I can see this show having a big gay following, because let's face it...it's full of not only incredibly buff naked and near-naked men, it even shows gay male and female sex. I don't know quite what to make of it. For me it's like watching a train wreck and being unable to look away. If this is the future of television, then the U.S. is further gone than I thought. It's not that big a leap from this show to The Running Man and gladiators for real. TurquoiseB wrote: I've been kinda holding my tongue on this one. My brother got me hooked on Spartacus: Blood and San, which I retitled as above in the Subject line after seeing the first episode, but which I have been unable to tear my eyes away from ever since. I haven't commented much on it here because I just hadn't gotten the words together to do it justice. Now I needn't bother. Heather Havrilesky on Salon did it for me. Spartacus: Rome on steroids, Viagra and crack http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/heather_havrilesky/2010/03/06/spa\ rtacus_blood_and_sand_rome_on_steroids_viagra_crack/index.html http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/heather_havrilesky/index.htmlHeather Havrilesky http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/heather_havrilesky/index.html From full-frontal nudity to splashing blood, is this the future of TV or just a pornographic video game gone mad?By Heather Havrilesky http://www.salon.com/author/heather_havrilesky/index.html Andy Whitfield in Spartacus: Blood and Sand. What's wrong with modern life? When did our spontaneity and imagination and appetite for glory leave us, replaced by bloodshot eyes and a hard knot in the stomach, failure wrapped in neuroticism dripped with anxiety covered with dissatisfaction? When did we trade in our vibrant, lusty, devil-may-care recklessness and red wine-glazed dreams for the carpal tunnel and coffee breath of the professionally compromised? When did we go from carefree iconoclasts to distracted, sallow lumps who've wasted the better half of a decade rewriting inter-office e-mails so that they're less of a reflection of our bitter, dying souls? Sure, when we're not impaired by the relentless drumbeat of empty tweets and Googled tragedies and breathless press releases about the latest jackhole to sign up for Dancing With the Stars, we do try to reach out to each other, tenuously, through Facebook and Twitter and sometimes even by picking up our telephones, which haven't held a solid charge since Monica Lewinsky was running around the White House in capri pants. But it's not the same. One decade into the new millennium, one too many irresistible up-to-date blurbs and blogs and snippets and tweets have smeared our once-lively spirits across the dirty windshield of life. Except when we're in a really good mood, and then everything's fine. Butt cheek of the gods Thank the lords Spartacus: Blood and Sand (10 p.m. Fridays on Starz) is here to show us exactly when, where and how we went astray. Apparently, back in 73 B.C., human beings were gigantic and horny and all they did was have great sex and slash each other with steely blades, resulting in big bursts of blood that splashed everywhere. Hurray! It seems that ever
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
Chief of Staff? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Buck: Oh, that seems sad and so human... Actually it's sad and funny, Buck, both at the same time. But I can't believe how interested in Tony, the ex-TMers are today. It's like they can't seem get enough of this trashy Tony talk. The Insiders, like you and me and Nabby, we give them some little nibbles of information, and they just crave more and more. It's like they were insatiable, like a Tiger, never-ending quest, this craving for insider TMO info! So far, Vaj posted comments about fingering little girls, and his Mother Goddess; Turq says he doesn't give a shit about a guy getting some nookie; Shemp wants to know the name of Tony's wife and Lurk seems really interested in a guy that just got laid on YouTube. Bill Hicks apparently tried to hump his own dog this morning. And, now some guy calling himself 'merudanda' is trying to pick a fight with Judy! merudanda: Here we need may be the charming Grand Lady Judy, the diamond stone (Stein), of this FFL DUDE RANCH (Barry speech/slang) to research... FairfieldLife/message/243172ang) to research.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Chief of Staff? I know more or less everything that goes on within the TMO. But about this matter I know nothing. None of us have a clue; it's a very private thing. What I do know is that Maharishi has passed the tourch on to a very deserving soul. What do you think of Girish, the wanna-be Maharishi, who dresses the part like a little girl at Halloween dresses like Glinda, the Good Witch of the North?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who on FFL disagrees with this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: One of Raj Patel's main themes is that the new capital for the 21st century is going to be the capital of 'giving'. ie. He is saying that true wealth in the future will come from giving. Who on FairfieldLife would say 'no' to that philosophy for the 21st century? In essence, do you agree with this idea or not? If not, state in one sentence your alternative approach. OffWorld I say no to that philosophy. The best way to allocate the scarce resources of the world in the fairest and most efficient way -- in particular and disproportionately in favor of the poorest of the world -- is through the selfishness and me, firstness of the unfettered free market. Thanks for the honest answer, but your method will not work in the 21st century. Your method allocates resources to the biggest army only, and a few of their citizens and not to the most successful businesses as your free-market philosophy champions. Your method also fuels and perpetuates terrorism worldwide. And the problem is, many people have the biggest army now, its called a nuclear bomb. So your greed will come back to bite you and leave the world devastated. So, no, your methods are the methods of the dark ages, not the 21st century. Next please. (move along now Shemp, your kind are history, not part of the future.) OffWorld Again, the person who you supported for president, Ron Paul, agrees with me and disagrees with you. I supported Obama for President. You supported Obama only AFTER Ron Paul was out of the running. Don't try and weasel out of it. You have nothing in common with Ron Paul Shemp. Why do you keep kidding yourself? I told you a million times. You are nothing like him, and you don't understand any of his points. You are a warmonger, he is a peacenik. Why do you keep kidding yourself? Ron Paul supported the war in Afghanistan. I don't think a peacenik would do that. Ron Paul was also in the military for years. Ron Paul is all about charities too. ie. Giving. He believes that helping others comes naturally. He just doesn't understand that in an age of ignorance, with ignoramouses such as you, there needs to be an organized effort to help others in a way that the consensus in society feels is best (rather than your ignorant inefficient ideas) -- and that is called socialism. Socialism is the wave of the future. Ron Paul is 180 degrees opposite of you. Peace and love. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: You don't have democracy in the US but it's poor cousin; multible choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Mldx3r2rQfeature=related Right on. America was founded so that they could keep their slaves. That's all. OffWorld As one of FFL's only Black participants, you have more credibility on the subject I suppose than others. So we should listen to you on this. Let me ask you this. You say you supported Obama. Did you vote for him only because you both share the same skin color? Or was it his positions?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What does your hero -- your fanatical choice for president -- Ron Paul feel about the healthcare issue, Off_World? Gee, let me guess: he's closer to Willytex and MDixon and eons away from you. And, gosh, I never heard back from you when I supplied that youtube of Ron Paul saying how AGW was a crock...what happened to you? Same thing that likely will happen to him this time. He's just not stand up enough to address the tough questions. Either that or he goes into name calling mode. Seeking communion with Mr. Magoo, the warmonger anti-social mental case, are you now Lurker? Good for you, you have a friend there. I can't figure out where all your hate comes from, You don't seem like that type. I never saw Shemp's stupid post with a video. Do you really think I pay much attention to what participants with so little depth, such as yourself, have to say here on FFL?? Peace. OffWorld Your offering of Peace at the end of a post in which you spew your negativity is almost as comical as Barry's posts in which he will skewer someone and then end with a happy face -):
[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Last chance America. Without reform you are bankrupt. Yes, Willytex, MDIXON, and Shemp, you and your families will loose your job/income and go bankrupt. Healthcare costs this country too much. It is dragging the economy into an abyss. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews We Brits will be just fine though. OffWorld What does your hero -- your fanatical choice for president -- Ron Paul feel about the healthcare issue, Off_World? I never saw your stupid post with a video. Do you really think I pay much attention to you Shemp? I supported Obama for President (long before anyone on FFl did): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139394 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139394 Everyone on this forum knows you supported Ron Paul WAY before you supported Obama and only switched to Obama once Ron Paul was out of the running. Look, we all had to sit through your insufferable, fanatical Ron Paul diatribes for months...are you telling us now you never supported him? Magoo, you have nothing in common with Ron Paul.. Why do you keep kidding yourself? I told you a million times. You are nothing like him, and you don't understand any of his points. You are a warmonger, he is a peacenik. Why do you keep kidding yourself? Ron Paul is all about charities too. ie. Giving. He believes that helping others comes naturally. He just doesn't understand that in an age of ignorance, with ignoramouses such as you, there needs to be an organized effort to help others in a way that the consensus in society feels is best (rather than your ignorant inefficient ideas) -- and that is called socialism. Socialism is the wave of the future. Peace and love. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who on FFL disagrees with this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: One of Raj Patel's main themes is that the new capital for the 21st century is going to be the capital of 'giving'. ie. He is saying that true wealth in the future will come from giving. Who on FairfieldLife would say 'no' to that philosophy for the 21st century? In essence, do you agree with this idea or not? If not, state in one sentence your alternative approach. OffWorld I say no to that philosophy. The best way to allocate the scarce resources of the world in the fairest and most efficient way -- in particular and disproportionately in favor of the poorest of the world -- is through the selfishness and me, firstness of the unfettered free market. Thanks for the honest answer, but your method will not work in the 21st century. Your method allocates resources to the biggest army only, and a few of their citizens and not to the most successful businesses as your free-market philosophy champions. Your method also fuels and perpetuates terrorism worldwide. And the problem is, many people have the biggest army now, its called a nuclear bomb. So your greed will come back to bite you and leave the world devastated. So, no, your methods are the methods of the dark ages, not the 21st century. Next please. (move along now Shemp, your kind are history, not part of the future.) OffWorld Again, the person who you supported for president, Ron Paul, agrees with me and disagrees with you. I supported Obama for President. You supported Obama only AFTER Ron Paul was out of the running Nope. Ron Paul was still in the running at the time. I supported Ron Paul for leader of the Republican party because he was far better than all those idiots and criminals that you supported Shemp. But you warmongers pushed him out and smeared him, so that an old idiot warmonger could shuffle around with some bimbo ,making complete fools of you and your warmongering hateful ant-social archaic neandhethal friends Shemp. I was the first on FFL life to support Obama for President. (and that fact just makes you so mad doesn't it Shemp.) OffWorld That you supported Obama? Nope, it confirms to me that you shouldn't have been in Ron Paul's camp in the first place. There is not now nor was there before the election anything about Obama that I much liked.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Live TM Theatre
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: In that room on the video, a few characters stand out but none able to say, This is what we are, for these reasons this is where we are going, and this is how we are going to do it. Consistently in less than a paragraph. The last part of that last sentence in the video started to be that. That it is based on our spiritual experience, with this that we go forward. He was just getting his tongue around it as his part in the video ended. The video is a fascinating picture of TM in time. That is what i see in watching it from FF. It will be interesting to see when they pull it down from the net. -Buck Maharishi created the TMO Himself, it's His offspring. But from time to time he would ask almost disbelieving; who wants to work in administration ? As if He could not believe that someone wanted these positions. If you think only for a fraction of a second that the fellows who are running the Movement today are closest to Maharishi's heart please think again. Only a few of these souls have a fainth idea of what Maharishi did, and is continuing to do today for the inhabitants of this planet. He alone created Heaven on this Earth. Singlehandedly but based on a cosmic timing. He did not need a TMO, it was created for the evolution of certain individuals. If the TMO is a joke to you I'm pretty sure Maharishi would agree. An observation and a question for His Nabbiness: I find it amusing that Maharishi held on to the reins of micromanagement almost to the last day of his life. If you'll recall, only about a month or two before his death he released a statement saying that he was giving up the day to day administration of the TMO and would now be devoting his time to the study of the Vedas (or something like that). He LIVED to micromanage the TMO and I believe this obsession of his contributed to the failure of the Movement. An anecdote that I believe I've shared before here points that out. On my 6 month course (perhaps Barry will remember this) at one point we had a course picture taken. But before it was sent to Maharishi to see, a course participant, Michael Yankaus, who was a designer or artist or something, on his own initiative, did a tracing of everyone in the group photo on a separate piece of paper, numbered each body traced, and then had a legend at the bottom of the name of each person and the country they represented. It was all quite beautiful and ornate...and I think he had it mounted on a canvass, framed, along with the group photo. It was worthy of a Super Bowl Winning Team collectible. Well, when Maharishi saw it, he was over the moon. He thought is was such a great thing that he issued an edict that, from now on, ALL courses would have group photos done like this. Instructions were drawn up and, if I'm not mistaken, Maharishi even had a broshure prepared and printed that had all the rules and instructions for how this was to be done. What struck me was how much time Maharishi devoted to this AND deemed it necessary for his troops and course participants to devote to this. Curious, I thought, that someone with a world plan could get diverted so easily and go off on a tangent on something that, relative to what he boldly wanted to accomplish (the spiritual regeneration of ALL mankind!), was of the most trivial value. But I learned that this incident in a way perfectly represented one of Maharishi's great shortcomings: his propensity to micromanage and NOT be able to see the forest for the trees. My question to Nabby (unrelated to the above): how do you feel about Maharishi appointing his blood relatives (e.g. Girish) to positions of importance in the Movement?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Magic Alex speaks about MMY/Rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Joe wrote: I gather that this statement from Alex Mardas is in reaction to an earlier NY Times article about the Beatles and MMY. I note that his memory regarding dates of the Rishikesh course is a little fuzzy, but this is the first statement I've seen from him since the late 60s. The section of the statement dealing with MMY starts on page 7. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf Interesting Geez. This means that Chopra's and George Harrison's gloss about 'what really happened on the Rishikesh TTC' is somewhat moot, no? Uh, no, Vaj. It's the other way around. That would mean that George Harrison's rendition of what really happened would make Magic Alex's rendition somewhat moot. And this isn't a defense of Maharishi; I don't give a flying f*** whether he bonked Mia Farrow and all those babes that Rick has been unstressing on for the last decade and a half 'cause my TM will or will not work regardless. But Alex's credibility is diminished by two things in my eyes: (1) his screwing up on the length of time he and the Beatles were in Rishikesh; and (2) his claim about the output of music.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Magic Alex speaks about MMY/Rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: I gather that this statement from Alex Mardas is in reaction to an earlier NY Times article about the Beatles and MMY. I note that his memory regarding dates of the Rishikesh course is a little fuzzy, but this is the first statement I've seen from him since the late 60s. The section of the statement dealing with MMY starts on page 7. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf Bizarre. It isn't just his memory regarding dates that's faulty. Here's the last paragraph of the statement: As for the allegation that, had it not been for their break up from the Maharishi, the Beatles would have been more prolific in their creative output and remained as a group or longer. I am not an expert musician, but I do note that some of the best music ever composed by them was composed after their return from the Ashram, for example their most famous song, 'Imagine' and 'Hey Jude'. I found that last paragraph bizarre also but for the following reason: I remember seeing a Derek (Derek Taylor?) who was later or is still now a higher-up in Apple being interviewed and his comment was something to the effect that during the Beatles' stay in Rishikesh that they had a prolific output of composition and music. I had heard that claim made somewhere else as well. And, yes, the lengths of time Alex claims he and the Beatles were there sound way offtoo long.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Magic Alex speaks about MMY/Rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Mar 6, 2010, at 4:50 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Joe wrote: I gather that this statement from Alex Mardas is in reaction to an earlier NY Times article about the Beatles and MMY. I note that his memory regarding dates of the Rishikesh course is a little fuzzy, but this is the first statement I've seen from him since the late 60s. The section of the statement dealing with MMY starts on page 7. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf Interesting Geez. This means that Chopra's and George Harrison's gloss about 'what really happened on the Rishikesh TTC' is somewhat moot, no? Uh, no, Vaj. It's the other way around. That would mean that George Harrison's rendition of what really happened would make Magic Alex's rendition somewhat moot. How's that? Please explain. If my choice is between Magic Alex's version of what George Harrison saw and said versus George Harrison's version of what George Harrison saw, I'd say George Harrison's version of is more credible. That's why I said it's the other way around. Plus the lessening of credibility for Alex because of his getting the time line wrong. They weren't doing LSD as claimed. And he witnessed a pass on some female student. MMY didn't deny it, but only said he was human. At least he was honest. And this isn't a defense of Maharishi; I don't give a flying f*** whether he bonked Mia Farrow and all those babes that Rick has been unstressing on for the last decade and a half 'cause my TM will or will not work regardless. But Alex's credibility is diminished by two things in my eyes: (1) his screwing up on the length of time he and the Beatles were in Rishikesh; and (2) his claim about the output of music. I wasn't there, so I don't know how long he was there, so it's not for me to say. It did sound too long. I just assumed it was a hastily written statement, a sort of catch up to the various defamations which had taken place while he was out of touch in Greece (or wherever). But I do know the Beatles did compose a lot of great music after they left his influence, esp. solo works like Imagine. However the counterclaim could easily be made that their experience of TM, and perhaps Saraswati, continued to inspire their music for the rest of their lives!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who on FFL disagrees with this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: One of Raj Patel's main themes is that the new capital for the 21st century is going to be the capital of 'giving'. ie. He is saying that true wealth in the future will come from giving. Who on FairfieldLife would say 'no' to that philosophy for the 21st century? In essence, do you agree with this idea or not? If not, state in one sentence your alternative approach. OffWorld I say no to that philosophy. The best way to allocate the scarce resources of the world in the fairest and most efficient way -- in particular and disproportionately in favor of the poorest of the world -- is through the selfishness and me, firstness of the unfettered free market.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Last chance America. Without reform you are bankrupt. Yes, Willytex, MDIXON, and Shemp, you and your families will loose your job/income and go bankrupt. Healthcare costs this country too much. It is dragging the economy into an abyss. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews We Brits will be just fine though. OffWorld What does your hero -- your fanatical choice for president -- Ron Paul feel about the healthcare issue, Off_World? Gee, let me guess: he's closer to Willytex and MDixon and eons away from you. And, gosh, I never heard back from you when I supplied that youtube of Ron Paul saying how AGW was a crock...what happened to you? Hiding?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who on FFL disagrees with this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: One of Raj Patel's main themes is that the new capital for the 21st century is going to be the capital of 'giving'. ie. He is saying that true wealth in the future will come from giving. Who on FairfieldLife would say 'no' to that philosophy for the 21st century? In essence, do you agree with this idea or not? If not, state in one sentence your alternative approach. OffWorld I say no to that philosophy. The best way to allocate the scarce resources of the world in the fairest and most efficient way -- in particular and disproportionately in favor of the poorest of the world -- is through the selfishness and me, firstness of the unfettered free market. Thanks for the honest answer, but your method will not work in the 21st century. Your method allocates resources to the biggest army only, and a few of their citizens and not to the most successful businesses as your free-market philosophy champions. Your method also fuels and perpetuates terrorism worldwide. And the problem is, many people have the biggest army now, its called a nuclear bomb. So your greed will come back to bite you and leave the world devastated. So, no, your methods are the methods of the dark ages, not the 21st century. Next please. (move along now Shemp, your kind are history, not part of the future.) OffWorld Again, the person who you supported for president, Ron Paul, agrees with me and disagrees with you. Did you even bother to find out what he stood for before you became the fanatical supporter of his that you were?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Financial Scam - Beware
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From a friend: Rick, You may want to forward this to any friends who might be tempted into this scam. Thanks, Sharon -- Forwarded Message From: Bart Walton bartwal...@... Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 19:16:05 -0800 To: Bart Walton bartwal...@... Subject: Financial Scam - Beware If you are asked to contribute to a financial trading platform, ultimately to be used for the benefit of the T.M. Movement, don't get involved. I've been told from a reliable source that this is a scam. The meditators involved in the fund raising are sincere and honest. But the next tier of operators are scam artists and the money is going into a black hole. Beware! If you want to donate to the Movement, please make your contributions directly to MUM, your local center or some other branch of the Movement directly. But not through anyone involved in a mysterious financial deal that promises huge returns. Thank you, BW Yes. Write your check directly to Girish Varma and rest assured it will go directly to Movement activities.
[FairfieldLife] What do beached whales and global warming have in common?
Both phenomenon occurred long before man started polluting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beached_whale#Natural
[FairfieldLife] Re: Janis Joplin's Original Band, Big Brother and the Holding Company In Fairfield, Iowa
I wonder how many of the original members are in this 2010 version. Of the 5 original Beachboys, how many beside Mike Love still tour? Or is it just Mike? At least with The Who you've got 50% of the members still alive (Pete Townsend and Roger Daltry) although, for my money, the group died with Keith Moon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE: Janis Joplin's Original Band, Big Brother and The Holding Company in Fairfield, Iowa on Thursday the 15th of April at the Fairfield Arts and Convention Center. On Thursday the 15th of April, Simple Man Enterprises Presents Janis Joplin's Original Band, Big Brother and the Holding Company, with BMA nominee, Blusion artist, Eddie Devilboy Turner at the Fairfield Arts and Convention Center in Fairfield, Iowa. Tickets are $22 in advanced, with a percentage of the proceeds going to the SME music scholarship fund for area high school students. Last years scholarship was given to Andrew Powers of Fort Madison, Ia. The doors open at 6:30pm and the show starts at 7:30pm. This is a one time show and tickets are limited. Big Brother and The Holding Company( www.bbhc.com/ )are primarily remembered as the group that gave Janis Joplin her start. But Big Brother also occupies a significant place in the history of San Francisco psychedelic rock, as one of the bands that best captured the era's loosest, reckless, and indulgent qualities in its high-energy mutations of blues and folk-rock. Big Brother was formed in 1965 in the Haight-Ashbury; by the time Joplin joined in mid-1966, the lineup was and still is(with the exception of the late James Gurley, who just passed away in December), Sam Andrew and James Gurley on guitar, Peter Albin on bass, and David Getz on drums. BBHC currently tours with a new guitar player and talented female vocalist. Big Brother catapulted themselves into national attention with their performance at the Monterey Pop Festival in June 1967, particularly with Joplin's galvanizing interpretation of Ball and Chain (which was a highlight of the film of the event). High-powered management and record label bids rolled in immediately, but unfortunately the group had tied themselves up in a bad contract with the small Mainstream label, at a time where they were stranded on the road and needed cash. Their one Mainstream album (released in 1967), contains some of their stronger cuts, such as Down on Me and Coo Coo. It didn't fully capture the band's strengths, and with the help of new high-powered manager Albert Grossman (also handler of Bob Dylan, The Band and Peter, Paul Mary), they extricated themselves from the Mainstream deal and signed with Columbia. The Big Brother album for Columbia that featured Joplin, Cheap Thrills (1968), Celebrated its 40th Anniversary 2 years ago. It was assembled from both studio sessions and live material. Cheap Thrills went to number one when it was finally released, and though it too was an erratic affair, it contained some of the best moments of acid rock's glory days, including Ball and Chain, Summertime, Combination of the Two, and Piece of My Heart. Cheap Thrills made Big Brother superstars. By the end of 1968, Joplin had decided to go solo, a move from which neither she nor Big Brother ever fully recovered. Big Brother and the Holding Company still tour today on rare occasions and they bring with them an extremely talented female vocalist, who never lets you forget who Big Brother and the Holding Company are. Also filling the bill, is national Blusion recording artists(Northern Blues Records) and Blues Music Award nominee, Eddie Devilboy Turner( www.eddiedevilboy.com http://www.eddiedevilboy.com/ ). If you're seeking a guitar player that can channel the spirit of Jimi Hendrix then look no further than Eddie Turner. If anybody ever went down to the Crossroads and let the Devil tune his guitar it was probably Eddie Turner. Man, you get chills every time the guy strikes a note! And the expressions he makes while he's talking out each lick leave one convinced he's channelling other-worldly ancestral demi-gods. âOtherworldlyâ, âscorchingâ, âpolyrhythmicâ and âchillingâ have all been used to describe Eddie Turnerâs guitar playing. His ethereal style is an amalgam of the Afro-Cuban rhythms of his heritage and the music that influenced him as a teenager: Chicago blues, jazz, rb and psychedelic rock. The Cuban-born singer/guitarist cut his teeth in several rock bands contributing what Slate magazine describes as âspacey-yet-resounding solos.â He emerged for the first time as his own bandleader on Rise, which arrived at stores in February, 2005. Eddie âdevilboy Turner picked up his first guitar, a candy apple multi-pickup Japanese Tiesco, when he was twelve. Raised in Chicago, he moved to the Rockies in the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Janis Joplin's Original Band, Big Brother and the Holding Company In Fairfield, Iowa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I wonder how many of the original members are in this 2010 version. When we were at MIU remember the rumor that Susy Levin had sung with Big Brother before Janis? No, I don't...but it's a great one. I do remember you playing the harmonica, though. Of the 5 original Beachboys, how many beside Mike Love still tour? Or is it just Mike? At least with The Who you've got 50% of the members still alive (Pete Townsend and Roger Daltry) although, for my money, the group died with Keith Moon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE: Janis Joplin's Original Band, Big Brother and The Holding Company in Fairfield, Iowa on Thursday the 15th of April at the Fairfield Arts and Convention Center. On Thursday the 15th of April, Simple Man Enterprises Presents Janis Joplin's Original Band, Big Brother and the Holding Company, with BMA nominee, Blusion artist, Eddie Devilboy Turner at the Fairfield Arts and Convention Center in Fairfield, Iowa. Tickets are $22 in advanced, with a percentage of the proceeds going to the SME music scholarship fund for area high school students. Last years scholarship was given to Andrew Powers of Fort Madison, Ia. The doors open at 6:30pm and the show starts at 7:30pm. This is a one time show and tickets are limited. Big Brother and The Holding Company( www.bbhc.com/ )are primarily remembered as the group that gave Janis Joplin her start. But Big Brother also occupies a significant place in the history of San Francisco psychedelic rock, as one of the bands that best captured the era's loosest, reckless, and indulgent qualities in its high-energy mutations of blues and folk-rock. Big Brother was formed in 1965 in the Haight-Ashbury; by the time Joplin joined in mid-1966, the lineup was and still is(with the exception of the late James Gurley, who just passed away in December), Sam Andrew and James Gurley on guitar, Peter Albin on bass, and David Getz on drums. BBHC currently tours with a new guitar player and talented female vocalist. Big Brother catapulted themselves into national attention with their performance at the Monterey Pop Festival in June 1967, particularly with Joplin's galvanizing interpretation of Ball and Chain (which was a highlight of the film of the event). High-powered management and record label bids rolled in immediately, but unfortunately the group had tied themselves up in a bad contract with the small Mainstream label, at a time where they were stranded on the road and needed cash. Their one Mainstream album (released in 1967), contains some of their stronger cuts, such as Down on Me and Coo Coo. It didn't fully capture the band's strengths, and with the help of new high-powered manager Albert Grossman (also handler of Bob Dylan, The Band and Peter, Paul Mary), they extricated themselves from the Mainstream deal and signed with Columbia. The Big Brother album for Columbia that featured Joplin, Cheap Thrills (1968), Celebrated its 40th Anniversary 2 years ago. It was assembled from both studio sessions and live material. Cheap Thrills went to number one when it was finally released, and though it too was an erratic affair, it contained some of the best moments of acid rock's glory days, including Ball and Chain, Summertime, Combination of the Two, and Piece of My Heart. Cheap Thrills made Big Brother superstars. By the end of 1968, Joplin had decided to go solo, a move from which neither she nor Big Brother ever fully recovered. Big Brother and the Holding Company still tour today on rare occasions and they bring with them an extremely talented female vocalist, who never lets you forget who Big Brother and the Holding Company are. Also filling the bill, is national Blusion recording artists(Northern Blues Records) and Blues Music Award nominee, Eddie Devilboy Turner( www.eddiedevilboy.com http://www.eddiedevilboy.com/ ). If you're seeking a guitar player that can channel the spirit of Jimi Hendrix then look no further than Eddie Turner. If anybody ever went down to the Crossroads and let the Devil tune his guitar it was probably Eddie Turner. Man, you get chills every time the guy strikes a note! And the expressions he makes while he's talking out each lick leave one convinced he's channelling other-worldly ancestral demi-gods. âOtherworldlyâ, âscorchingâ, âpolyrhythmicâ and âchillingâ have all been used to describe Eddie Turnerâs guitar playing. His ethereal style is an amalgam of the Afro-Cuban rhythms
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rachel Maddow gets arrested as Al Qaeda sympathizer !!!
Actually, Maddow is neither of Irish nor Russian heritage. She's Greek. She hails from one of those beautiful islands in the Aegean Sea. The Island of Lesbos, I believe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.ride@ wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:54 PM, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: http://vodpod.com/watch/3174087-rachel-maddow-on-liz-cheney That was funny. But isn't Rachael Jewish? Wouldn't that mean the State of Israel is Al Quaeda? FWIW . . . Q: Is Rachel Maddow Jewish? A: No She is not Jewish. Her Mother is from Canada and is of Irish decent, and her Father of Russian descent. Rachel Maddow was raised as a Catholic. On the January 28, 2010 episode of The Rachel Maddow Show on MSNBC, Maddow said she was distantly Jewish during an interview with Tracey Ullman. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_Rachel_Maddow_Jewish
[FairfieldLife] Re: Joe or Barry - Linda Davis
Does anyone remember a Monica Walstrom from MIU in the '70s? Swedish-American art major? Her major complaint was that Maharishi didn't allow any nude models in art class... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Did either of you know Linda Davis back in the day? She used to go with Bob Doane. She was a good friend of my wife's and we've been trying for years to track her down. We heard she worked for Jackson Browne for a while. I wonder if Joe with his music connections would know anyone who knows where she is, or if she's still alive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rachel Maddow gets arrested as Al Qaeda sympathizer !!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: She hails from Castro Valley in the SF Bay Area where my sister lives and about 30 miles from me. I keep forgetting to ask if my sister knows the family. No, no, I'm pretty sure she's from Lesbos. ShempMcGurk wrote: Actually, Maddow is neither of Irish nor Russian heritage. She's Greek. She hails from one of those beautiful islands in the Aegean Sea. The Island of Lesbos, I believe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The word socialist: be afraid, be very, very afraid.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Mar 3, 2010, at 11:49 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: However, the study alerts us to something that is much more important, and that is that the European welfare states are not making their citizens wealthier. Says who? This article does not quote one reputable source or statistic. And anyway, that isn't the function of good government--its function is to provide for all its citizens, so that people don't go homeless, hungry, and have good schools, roads, medical care, etc. Here's what Wikipedia has to say about this wonderful organization Shemp cites as his authority (note its place of origin--quelle surprise) The Ludwig von Mises Institute (LvMI), based in Auburn, Alabama... Its scholarship is inspired by the work of Austrian School economist Ludwig von Mises. Hmmm...let's see now--an organization in the heart of the Deep South founded by a quasi-white supremacist Ludwig Von Mises escaped from the Nazis and fled to America because of his partly Jewish heritage. Far from being a quasi-white supremacist, Sal. born in the Victorian Age...that's Shemp's idea of scholarship. The Institute is generally critical of statism and democracy, with the latter being described in Institute publications as coercive[5], incompatible with wealth creation[6] replete with inner contradictions[7] and a system of legalized graft. Von Mises was a great advocate of democracy, Sal, and felt that democracy along with a free market went hand in hand. Lovely. He then goes on to offer completely anecdotal evidence of how Germany's dental-care system is so much worse than in the US, based entirely on how an office looked. Strangely enough, he never provides any statistics on either the dental or medical system in the US that would bolster his argument. While East Berlin was likened to being the Paris of the then-communist world, it was more like a huge time warp in which one was placed back in 1948. The entire city was shabby, and what new construction there was had the appearance and attractiveness of a typical American public housing project. Apparently he's never been to Chicago, Detroit, Birmingham, etc. This genius is the best you can do, Shemp? Sad. Sal
