[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/30/06 1:47:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'That was a song from the sixties, if anyone's old enough to remember... War is really very disfunctional behavior; Sure it's been part of this earth reality for so long, we just take it for granted, that it is a part of life, and have even made it into a sort of institution(an institution of late, that is turning humans into ground beef, and billions down the drain. Perhaps a generation will come along, hopefully soon, that fully rejects war as an option; Killing a fellow human being, will no longer seem like a viable option. Sure we are a culture, that is addicted to violence. And many of the troops coming back from this war, like the other's will be totally messed up: They will have gotten addicted to the adrenaline and power of Killing, and some will need more and more... This is what it is like to lose your soul... You lose part of your soul, when you kill... Who are you really serving, when you become a murderer...??? Jesus called the 'evil-one', a murderer since the beginning of time. It is like a demonic possession, this war thing. It makes people crazy and creates chaos. It destroys everything good in life. It serves only one purpose as far as I'm concerned: Like every other addiction, or dysfunction, It serves as a lesson, on what not to do. 'War- What is it good for? Absolutely Nothing! Wow , you have a point. Ever taken this up with Osama Ben Ladin or any other people that go around blowing themselves up? I wonder what their reaction would be to your thoughts.You can't just talk to one side, you have to convince both sides of a conflict of your ideas. You might try posting this on some terrorist web site and see if you can't get a response. Maybe you can start a meaningful dialogue and win the Nobel peace prize. Osama is obviously an intelligent and well connected person, in his realm. He has chosen violence as his path, and will eventually have to reap the karma of the violence which he has perpretrated. He started a chain of events, which with the help of G.Bush, has created hell on earth for many innocent people. Nobel prizes are nice, I guess; But what will really change the equation is raising the consiousness of the people, all people, Moslems, Christians, Jews, and the rest... There is no other way- we have to evolve above our animal instincts.. All of the enlightened people have said the same thing. The difference now, is that our technology has made it a necessity, and not a luxury, to raise the consiousness of everyone. We can no longer afford to be ignorant of our inter-connectedness, and dependence on each other, as all life on earth is threatened. Enlightened leadership is the only way out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
In a message dated 5/31/06 8:19:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Enlightened leadership is the only way out. But if the leadership is only a reflection of the collective consciousness, then you've got a real problem. In order to have enlightened leadership, you're going to have to have an enlightened society first. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/31/06 8:19:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Enlightened leadership is the only way out. But if the leadership is only a reflection of the collective consciousness, then you've got a real problem. In order to have enlightened leadership, you're going to have to have an enlightened society first. Huh, that's a good point! I've never heard that raised before. It seems so obvious now that you mention it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/31/06 8:19:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: Enlightened leadership is the only way out. But if the leadership is only a reflection of the collective consciousness, then you've got a real problem. In order to have enlightened leadership, you're going to have to have an enlightened society first. Huh, that's a good point! I've never heard that raised before. It seems so obvious now that you mention it. Self-evident? haha While I like the notion of leadership is only a reflection of the collective consciousness, in newly energized Kurtzian sensibilities, thats an idea, perhaps someday testable -- though that would be a challenge -- but it is neither fact nor a good theory that can make valid predictions. Is it true? How do you know it would be true? What would the kids be like if Paul Kurtz married Byron Katie? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/31/06 8:19:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: Enlightened leadership is the only way out. But if the leadership is only a reflection of the collective consciousness, then you've got a real problem. In order to have enlightened leadership, you're going to have to have an enlightened society first. Huh, that's a good point! I've never heard that raised before. It seems so obvious now that you mention it. Self-evident? haha I don't think I said self-evident. I think I said obvious. While I like the notion of leadership is only a reflection of the collective consciousness, in newly energized Kurtzian sensibilities, thats an idea, perhaps someday testable -- though that would be a challenge -- but it is neither fact nor a good theory that can make valid predictions. Is it true? How do you know it would be true? Er, did you read what I was commenting on? Did you actually read my comment? I was referring to what MDixon pointed out, that the TMO concepts of enlightened leadership, on the one hand, and leadership that reflects the consciousness of the people, on the other hand, don't seem to mesh very well. In other words, they can't both be true. What would the kids be like if Paul Kurtz married Byron Katie? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/31/06 8:19:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: Enlightened leadership is the only way out. But if the leadership is only a reflection of the collective consciousness, then you've got a real problem. In order to have enlightened leadership, you're going to have to have an enlightened society first. Huh, that's a good point! I've never heard that raised before. It seems so obvious now that you mention it. Self-evident? haha I was making a joke -- referencing past discussion about things self-evident. A joke not directed to you, but all of us. We all take things as self-evident when upon reflection, we realize they may or may not be true. I don't think I said self-evident. I think I said obvious. I never said, or meant to imply that you did. Sorry if you inferred it. I may add layers of explanatory text next time to make it clearer. While I like the notion of leadership is only a reflection of the collective consciousness, in newly energized Kurtzian sensibilities, thats an idea, perhaps someday testable -- though that would be a challenge -- but it is neither fact nor a good theory that can make valid predictions. Is it true? How do you know it would be true? Er, did you read what I was commenting on? Did you actually read my comment? The above has nothing to do with your comment. It has to do with Dixons. And my comment is just an _expression_ of my take on a premise often stated here about leadership and collective C. While I did read your comment, I was not commenting on it. I was not aggreeing or disagreeing with you. I was expressing an independent thought I had. Not all posts are about you. Though we all make that mistaken inference sometimes -- all comments refers to our posts. I could post the disclaimer this is a geneal comment not directed at anyone or their posts... but that would get tedious. I was referring to what MDixon pointed out, that the TMO concepts of enlightened leadership, on the one hand, and leadership that reflects the consciousness of the people, on the other hand, don't seem to mesh very well. In other words, they can't both be true. Fine. And I was expressing another thought, totally independent of yours. What would the kids be like if Paul Kurtz married Byron Katie? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- authfriend wrote: the TMO concepts of enlightened leadership, on the one hand, and leadership that reflects the consciousness of the people, on the other hand, don't seem to mesh very well. In other words, they can't both be true. I feel a little foolish to admit I'd never noticed this conflict before. It's funny! Maybe, in the TMO worldview, enlightened people are liberated from ties to collective consciousness, just as they're liberated in the sense of no longer having their consciousness bound in ignorance of its true nature. Still, that doesn't help with governance, because one cannot simply order people to do what they're not really committed to doing. (Stalin had ways to make it work, and Maharishi seems to have some success, but they're special cases.) So an enlightened leader might say, Let's forgive the terrorists, but the people would say, Screw that, I want blood. And the enlightened leader would have a problem. I had a conversation about this topic of orders versus persuasion with an Army major in my acquaintance. I said, It seems to me that in the Army, of all places, you could just say, 'Do this,' and it would get done. He said, Well, you could, but officers who work that way don't advance very far. He said subordinates will only do the minimum required to comply with the order, which isn't enough for real success in any endeavor short of maybe digging a latrine. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I don't think I said self-evident. I think I said obvious. I never said, or meant to imply that you did. Sorry if you inferred it. I may add layers of explanatory text next time to make it clearer. Given that self-evident is often used when one actually means obvious, in this case an explanatory note would have been helpful. snip Not all posts are about you. Though we all make that mistaken inference sometimes -- all comments refers to our posts. I could post the disclaimer this is a geneal comment not directed at anyone or their posts... but that would get tedious. When for some reason I can't respond to the original post but have to respond to a quote of it in somebody else's response (as you did here), I do explain that's what I'm doing. I also delete the response of the second person so that only what I'm responding to is quoted in my post. That avoids confusion. But I do this only when I have to (e.g., when the original has disappeared or never showed up). Since that's pretty rare, I don't have to do it often enough for it to become tedious. In any case, all the above (including responding to the original post whenever possible) is just generally good netiquette, since it's natural to assume that when someone responds to a post of yours, they're, you know, responding to your post. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend wrote: the TMO concepts of enlightened leadership, on the one hand, and leadership that reflects the consciousness of the people, on the other hand, don't seem to mesh very well. In other words, they can't both be true. I feel a little foolish to admit I'd never noticed this conflict before. Boy, me too! And now that MDixon has pointed it out, I'm astonished that apparently nobody else has ever noticed it, at least not that I've seen. Goodness knows there have been any number of discussions about both aspects of TM theory. It's funny! Maybe, in the TMO worldview, enlightened people are liberated from ties to collective consciousness, just as they're liberated in the sense of no longer having their consciousness bound in ignorance of its true nature. I can hear that one creaking painfully all the way from the Jersey shore... Still, that doesn't help with governance, because one cannot simply order people to do what they're not really committed to doing. (Stalin had ways to make it work, and Maharishi seems to have some success, but they're special cases.) So an enlightened leader might say, Let's forgive the terrorists, but the people would say, Screw that, I want blood. And the enlightened leader would have a problem. Here's my contribution to creaky rationalizations: Presumably the enlightened leader would know better than to propose something his/her ignorant people would resist doing (unless their resistance would accomplish something else s/he wanted done). I had a conversation about this topic of orders versus persuasion with an Army major in my acquaintance. I said, It seems to me that in the Army, of all places, you could just say, 'Do this,' and it would get done. He said, Well, you could, but officers who work that way don't advance very far. He said subordinates will only do the minimum required to comply with the order, which isn't enough for real success in any endeavor short of maybe digging a latrine. At least in the Army, officers advance based on how well their subordinates succeed. That isn't always the case in other types of institutions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend wrote: the TMO concepts of enlightened leadership, on the one hand, and leadership that reflects the consciousness of the people, on the other hand, don't seem to mesh very well. In other words, they can't both be true. I feel a little foolish to admit I'd never noticed this conflict before. It's funny! Maybe, in the TMO worldview, enlightened people are liberated from ties to collective consciousness, just as they're liberated in the sense of no longer having their consciousness bound in ignorance of its true nature. Still, that doesn't help with governance, because one cannot simply order people to do what they're not really committed to doing. (Stalin had ways to make it work, and Maharishi seems to have some success, but they're special cases.) So an enlightened leader might say, Let's forgive the terrorists, but the people would say, Screw that, I want blood. And the enlightened leader would have a problem. I had a conversation about this topic of orders versus persuasion with an Army major in my acquaintance. I said, It seems to me that in the Army, of all places, you could just say, 'Do this,' and it would get done. He said, Well, you could, but officers who work that way don't advance very far. He said subordinates will only do the minimum required to comply with the order, which isn't enough for real success in any endeavor short of maybe digging a latrine. Or they could do what Krishna advised Arjuna to do. Forgive them, then kill them. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: In any case, all the above (including responding to the original post whenever possible) is just generally good netiquette, since it's natural to assume that when someone responds to a post of yours, they're, you know, responding to your post. I agree that clarity is good, though awkward and wordy at times. since it's natural to assume that when someone responds to a post of yours, they're, you know, responding to your post. I am not sure that is always wise. It can lead to confusion. Many posts are reflections on an overall discussion. They may be general, new and independent points, not specific responses to any particular poster. In that case, if you're not explicitly commenting on something someone else has said, you can delete any quotes from your post. Before assuming a poster is responding to your comments, perhaps pause before posting your new response, and consider if there are other possibilities. No, I think I'll just continue to assume that most posters have the courtesy not to respond to someone's post when they aren't commenting on it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: Before assuming a poster is responding to your comments, perhaps pause before posting your new response, and consider if there are other possibilities. No, I think I'll just continue to assume that most posters have the courtesy not to respond to someone's post when they aren't commenting on it. Ok. Well I aplogize if you feel my post in question was discourteous. (You did not say that directly but it was implied above) While discourtesy had nothing to do with my intentions, its good feedback and eye-opening when some find things in ones writing that were not intended. I find writing improves in proportion to the number of different views and takes on the same words, from a diverse readerhsip, that one can see from. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
Maybe it's another chicken or egg connundrum... but I think if we go down a scale I'm sure we can find variousa historical cases of an unenlightened population experiencing a political shift from oppressive rule to a more benign one, without much change happening inbetween in the collective consciousness.. Maybe the Collective Karma is the key player here? Also I'd rather think an enlightened leader - even in the army - can lead by INSPIRING followers to new moral and practical achievements, not merely reflecting the lowest common denominator.. such as when slavery was abolished in spite of overwhelming contrary interests and forces etc. If one had to wait for an enlightened society as a precondition, who'd need the enlightened leader anyway - every individual would be sovreign invincible... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- authfriend wrote: the TMO concepts of enlightened leadership, on the one hand, and leadership that reflects the consciousness of the people, on the other hand, don't seem to mesh very well. In other words, they can't both be true. I feel a little foolish to admit I'd never noticed this conflict before. It's funny! Maybe, in the TMO worldview, enlightened people are liberated from ties to collective consciousness, just as they're liberated in the sense of no longer having their consciousness bound in ignorance of its true nature. Still, that doesn't help with governance, because one cannot simply order people to do what they're not really committed to doing. (Stalin had ways to make it work, and Maharishi seems to have some success, but they're special cases.) So an enlightened leader might say, Let's forgive the terrorists, but the people would say, Screw that, I want blood. And the enlightened leader would have a problem. I had a conversation about this topic of orders versus persuasion with an Army major in my acquaintance. I said, It seems to me that in the Army, of all places, you could just say, 'Do this,' and it would get done. He said, Well, you could, but officers who work that way don't advance very far. He said subordinates will only do the minimum required to comply with the order, which isn't enough for real success in any endeavor short of maybe digging a latrine. Or they could do what Krishna advised Arjuna to do. Forgive them, then kill them. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- jyouells2000 wrote: --- Gillam wrote: an enlightened leader might say, Let's forgive the terrorists, but the people would say, Screw that, I want blood. And the enlightened leader would have a problem. Or they could do what Krishna advised Arjuna to do. Forgive them, then kill them. Exactly. And your remark points up a fault in my wording. In my world, forgiveness doesn't mean the offender necessarily gets off without punishment. Sometimes he does, but for serious offenses, the offender must suffer consequences, lest he hurt someone again. My example deals more with the hearts and minds of the people hurt. A way to release fear and recrimination is to forgive. In my mind, a true leader - especially a Christian - would lead the nation in healing, and forgiveness would be a place to start. But that's just my assumption of what enlightened leadership might be. As blank slate points out in another post, 'tain't necessarily so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 wrote: --- Gillam wrote: an enlightened leader might say, Let's forgive the terrorists, but the people would say, Screw that, I want blood. And the enlightened leader would have a problem. Or they could do what Krishna advised Arjuna to do. Forgive them, then kill them. Exactly. And your remark points up a fault in my wording. In my world, forgiveness doesn't mean the offender necessarily gets off without punishment. Sometimes he does, but for serious offenses, the offender must suffer consequences, lest he hurt someone again. My example deals more with the hearts and minds of the people hurt. A way to release fear and recrimination is to forgive. In my mind, a true leader - especially a Christian - would lead the nation in healing, and forgiveness would be a place to start. But that's just my assumption of what enlightened leadership might be. As blank slate points out in another post, 'tain't necessarily so. Forgiveness, like 'enlightenment' may only happen one person at a time. Like Charlie used to say, They come out of the well one at a time. Let's just hope it's in quick succession! JohnY PS. Makes me think of Jimmy Carter's misguided policies To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/31/06 8:19:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Enlightened leadership is the only way out. But if the leadership is only a reflection of the collective consciousness, then you've got a real problem. In order to have enlightened leadership, you're going to have to have an enlightened society first. Unless you can enlighten the leadership directly, fast enough that they don't get thrown out of office before they can have an enlightening effect on everyone else by virtue of their mundane influence. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/31/06 8:19:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: Enlightened leadership is the only way out. But if the leadership is only a reflection of the collective consciousness, then you've got a real problem. In order to have enlightened leadership, you're going to have to have an enlightened society first. Huh, that's a good point! I've never heard that raised before. It seems so obvious now that you mention it. Sometimes, if a single leaf of a plant is important enough, addressing that single leaf WILL have an important enough influence on the rest of the plant that a wise gardener will attend to it directly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/31/06 8:19:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: Enlightened leadership is the only way out. But if the leadership is only a reflection of the collective consciousness, then you've got a real problem. In order to have enlightened leadership, you're going to have to have an enlightened society first. Huh, that's a good point! I've never heard that raised before. It seems so obvious now that you mention it. Self-evident? haha I don't think I said self-evident. I think I said obvious. While I like the notion of leadership is only a reflection of the collective consciousness, in newly energized Kurtzian sensibilities, thats an idea, perhaps someday testable -- though that would be a challenge -- but it is neither fact nor a good theory that can make valid predictions. Is it true? How do you know it would be true? Er, did you read what I was commenting on? Did you actually read my comment? I was referring to what MDixon pointed out, that the TMO concepts of enlightened leadership, on the one hand, and leadership that reflects the consciousness of the people, on the other hand, don't seem to mesh very well. In other words, they can't both be true. Certainly, an enlightened candidate probably can't get elected in this country. OTOH, there are plenty of wealthy/influential people who run the country *behind the scenes* whose consciousness can be at least somewhat independent of the consciousness of the government. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
In a message dated 5/31/06 4:46:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unless you can enlighten the leadership directly, fast enough that they don't get thrown out of office before they can have an enlightening effect on everyone else by virtue of their mundane influence. You may have missed the point. I remember M saying once that even if one of his closest devotees became president or a leader in Washington, the collective consciousness would be so great and powerful that even he, M,wouldn't have much influence on him and find it difficult to do what M said. In other words the collective consciousness has a powerful influence on the individual politician's awareness regardless of how pure it may be.But I do agree with you that even if a person was enlightened and by some quirk was elected, he/sheprobably wouldn't last long. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'War- What Is It Good For?'
In a message dated 5/31/06 4:47:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sometimes, if a single leaf of a plant is important enough, addressing that single leaf WILL have an important enough influence on the rest of the plant that a wise gardener will attend to it directly. If a plant is left with only a single leaf, best cut it back and feed and water. Start all over again To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
