[FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: I'm not parroting anything Ravee. It's just what I know from having talked to Rajneesh followers, that's all. So now you are clearly admitting that you don't have any intelligence to experience him for yourself and you are merely parroting what Rajneesh followers have told you. A parrot's a parrot's a parrot. If anyone needs a new comedy routine...dude it's you. Sorry, it ain't workin'...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult
On Apr 26, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: I'm not parroting anything Ravee. It's just what I know from having talked to Rajneesh followers, that's all. So now you are clearly admitting that you don't have any intelligence to experience him for yourself and you are merely parroting what Rajneesh followers have told you. A parrot's a parrot's a parrot. Last I heard Ravey, he was dead. You probably are too young to remember when his followers poisoned the people in a town in Oregon using salmonella.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 26, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: I'm not parroting anything Ravee. It's just what I know from having talked to Rajneesh followers, that's all. So now you are clearly admitting that you don't have any intelligence to experience him for yourself and you are merely parroting what Rajneesh followers have told you. A parrot's a parrot's a parrot. Last I heard Ravey, he was dead. You probably are too young to remember when his followers poisoned the people in a town in Oregon using salmonella. Yes I have heard it all. So how does that matter? I don't pay too much attention to the accidental and I'm not surprised that there are people who have different problems, they are there everywhere not just at Rajneesh, people who are after power, greedy, cruel, sad, happy, miserable, pathetic, loving, charitable, joyous - surprise, surprise. I certainly see them at Ammachi's, I even meet people at Amma's who criticize Osho - doesn't bother me. His personal life, details are accidental - nothing of significance, they are of interest to people who engage in hero worship rather than worship of the essence. Does that mean he was not enlightened, does that mean I would have joined his cult - no. Does that mean there isn't anything of value that he shared? For someone one who doesn't care for dogma or tradition he presents it just right.
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You probably are too young to remember when his followers poisoned the people in a town in Oregon using salmonella. Ravi Yogi: So how does that matter? Others have pointed to the fact that although Sheela had bugged Osho's living quarters and made her tapes available to the U.S. authorities as part of her own plea bargain, no evidence has ever come to light that Osho had any part in her crimes... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osho_(Bhagwan_Shree_Rajneesh)
[FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrine-of-the-hugging-saint This is an interesting article. I'd heard some of this before from a former Amma devotee I knew in France. She blew the lid off of the stuff we show the outside world vs. stuff we don't dual nature of the Amma org long before I ever heard much about her here. The fascinating thing from my side is that it reminds me of a story I once wrote. In Tibetan Buddhism there is a tradition of supposedly higher, non-physical beings taking over the bodies of humans. That's their view of what is going on with the Tibetan State Oracles. On another level entirely, there is a tradition of some men and women allowing these higher beings to take over their bodies and dance for followers. My story was written while commuting every week from Santa Fe to Detroit. The Detroit airport just sucked, and I didn't want to spend any more time there than absolutely necessary. So I discovered a strip club that was brilliantly located across the street from the rental car return lot. You could turn in your car, then walk across the street and wait for your flight in the strip club. They even had monitors up above the bar so you could check on the status of your flight. Then they would drive you to the airport in their limo. I spent many a happy hour sitting at the bar of that strip club writing stories, and chatting with the dancers. Never once got a private dance, never once sat by the stage to watch them dance; sitting at the bar was fine for me. Anyway, there was one dancer there who was really GOOD. I talked with her a lot, and found that she had trained as a modern dancer for years, and it showed. So one day I thought of a story with her as the protagonist. Sorta. She's up there on stage dancing for the guys at the strip club, and suddenly one of these ancient Tibetan goddesses takes over her body. At first it's confusing for the goddess, because looking around at the bar, this is just not like the temples she's used to dancing in. :-) But she kinda gets into it, pulls out all the stops, and does a dance for the patrons of the strip club that blasts them with mega-shakti and leaves all of them stunned and a couple of them enlightened. I had a lot of fun writing it, and my friend the stripper was quite flattered. Anyway, that's what I thought of when I read the accounts of Amma playing dressup. Now you know how low-vibe I really am. It's much worse than my detractors here would have you believe. :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrin\ \ e-of-the-hugging-saint Not sure how you spin the Devi Bhava deal as anything thing but text book cult. I'd love to hear the official version on that one. I mean, they could just come out and admit the truth, but there would be fallout. In general the whole affair seems to be pretty much standard cult. Makes me glad I retired from the guru worshipping business. Steve - you don't have to worship her. I have never worshiped Amma nor did I see her as my Guru for a long time. I was among those who had no particular fascination for Devi Bhava, I loved Amma and would always complain to people around me that I didn't like Amma dressed in a colorful sari with a crown, I would even say I hate it. So to say that its a cult and everyone worships her is just so totally false, I'm a prime example of that - if it was a cult a person like who revels in shocking and mocking others would not have been entertained. In fact I used to detest the cult like behavior of certain people at Amma's but now I have to come to understand that people when they come to spirituality comes with issues of hurt, pain and betrayal. They find that the outside world and objects don't seem to give the everlasting happiness. Obviously these people are very sensitive and loving are not happy with the superficial toys of money, house, spouse and a couple of kids. They feel the need to be loved, long to be part of a group that can accept them for who they are. They may get Hindu names, they may wear saris/dhotis, bindis - they are very enthusiastic and think spirituality means aping certain outer manners and behavior. But this is all optional, Amma never insists on that. They slowly realize that the outer has no significance to the inner but this takes time so we can't just judge. In fact the article is just BS, sure they might downplay Devi Bhava, I can see why even I, being an Indian am highly uncomfortable with the Devi Bhava but the important thing it is not because of *malice*, it is not *deception* - they are just downplaying it for the Western audience, it is just being practical and pragmatic. The western audience wouldn't necessarily understand that the Devi is just a symbol for the supreme consciousness that pervades one and all. Once they love Amma and understand the Hindu concepts they slowly start understanding the Hindu principles, but these concepts are not mainstream, very few Westerners understand it so it makes sense to downplay it. Its very hard for Westerners who are conditioned by the Judeo-Christian concepts and who have no prior knowledge of Eastern traditions to understand Devi Bhava even before they come to meet Ammachi, The article makes it sound as if this is deceptive without actually saying that because they know they can't say that word, so they use innuendo to manipulate the readers into believing there is malice and deception. The article and the authors of it are being very deceptive. Sure depending on the samskara of a devotee she might declare herself an avatar, a devi but then people miss the point. An awakened Guru is a manifestation of the supreme consciousness and the supreme consciousness can take any form based upon the samskara of a person hence millions of deities in Hinduism. The number of dieties in Hinduism is just a metaphor, that each to his own - that each has his own unique path, that the supreme consciousness is so mysterious and powerful that it can manifest in a unique way for each individual. This symbolism is powerful and unique to Hinduism. This shows that Hinduism is really not a religion, it is called Sanatana Dharma, the eternal law - it is purely a recognition and celebration of the individual and his/her unique path to self-realization.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrin\ e-of-the-hugging-saint This is an interesting article. I'd heard some of this before from a former Amma devotee I knew in France. She blew the lid off of the stuff we show the outside world vs. stuff we don't dual nature of the Amma org long before I ever heard much about her here. The fascinating thing from my side is that it reminds me of a story I once wrote. In Tibetan Buddhism there is a tradition of supposedly higher, non-physical beings taking over the bodies of humans. That's their view of what is going on with the Tibetan State Oracles. On another level entirely, there is a tradition of some men and women allowing these higher beings to take over their bodies and dance for followers. My story was written while commuting every week from Santa Fe to Detroit. The Detroit airport just sucked, and I didn't want to spend any more time there than absolutely necessary. So I discovered a strip club that was brilliantly located across the street from the rental car return lot. You could turn in your car, then walk across the street and wait for your flight in the strip club. They even had monitors up above the bar so you could check on the status of your flight. Then they would drive you to the airport in their limo. I spent many a happy hour sitting at the bar of that strip club writing stories, and chatting with the dancers. Never once got a private dance, never once sat by the stage to watch them dance; sitting at the bar was fine for me. Anyway, there was one dancer there who was really GOOD. I talked with her a lot, and found that she had trained as a modern dancer for years, and it showed. So one day I thought of a story with her as the protagonist. Sorta. She's up there on stage dancing for the guys at the strip club, and suddenly one of these ancient Tibetan goddesses takes over her body. At first it's confusing for the goddess, because looking around at the bar, this is just not like the temples she's used to dancing in. :-) But she kinda gets into it, pulls out all the stops, and does a dance for the patrons of the strip club that blasts them with mega-shakti and leaves all of them stunned and a couple of them enlightened. I had a lot of fun writing it, and my friend the stripper was quite flattered. Anyway, that's what I thought of when I read the accounts of Amma playing dressup. Now you know how low-vibe I really am. It's much worse than my detractors here would have you believe. :-) Oh yeah you are totally fascinated with yourself..:-). But I like your story, it's a good metaphor on the work of the Divine Mother. Men tend to objectify women, they fantasize and drool over the woman to get her into bed. The woman plays along, you get married to her and then she shows who's the boss..LOL..I married the right woman or the existence chose me the right woman, she called herself as a daughter of Kali, she was beautiful, one of the most beatiful I have ever seen - I was infatuated with her, I married her and then she drove me insane and made me a yogi. Thats why I am forever indebted to her and the divine mother. Amma is not my Guru, my Guru is my beloved Aruna..:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Thanks for your reply. Well you are right. There are so many issues, and so many ways to interpret them. As you say, what one sees as deception, may just be an attempt not to confuse by another. What one sees as worship, may just be symbolism for another. So, as Rick pointed out, and I guess Peter, you just navigate through, and pick out what works for you and what doesn't. Definitely a caveat emptor type sitiuation. I have to say though, IMHO, I see the gurus often having a hard time resisting some of the perks that accompany their fame, fortune and power. I mean, I think, a really hard time. But that's okay, because it doesn't affect me, and people,of course, are free to act and believe as they see fit. Steve - you don't have to worship her. I have never worshiped Amma nor did I see her as my Guru for a long time. I was among those who had no particular fascination for Devi Bhava, I loved Amma and would always complain to people around me that I didn't like Amma dressed in a colorful sari with a crown, I would even say I hate it. So to say that its a cult and everyone worships her is just so totally false, I'm a prime example of that - if it was a cult a person like who revels in shocking and mocking others would not have been entertained. In fact I used to detest the cult like behavior of certain people at Amma's but now I have to come to understand that people when they come to spirituality comes with issues of hurt, pain and betrayal. They find that the outside world and objects don't seem to give the everlasting happiness. Obviously these people are very sensitive and loving are not happy with the superficial toys of money, house, spouse and a couple of kids. They feel the need to be loved, long to be part of a group that can accept them for who they are. They may get Hindu names, they may wear saris/dhotis, bindis - they are very enthusiastic and think spirituality means aping certain outer manners and behavior. But this is all optional, Amma never insists on that. They slowly realize that the outer has no significance to the inner but this takes time so we can't just judge. In fact the article is just BS, sure they might downplay Devi Bhava, I can see why even I, being an Indian am highly uncomfortable with the Devi Bhava but the important thing it is not because of *malice*, it is not *deception* - they are just downplaying it for the Western audience, it is just being practical and pragmatic. The western audience wouldn't necessarily understand that the Devi is just a symbol for the supreme consciousness that pervades one and all. Once they love Amma and understand the Hindu concepts they slowly start understanding the Hindu principles, but these concepts are not mainstream, very few Westerners understand it so it makes sense to downplay it. Its very hard for Westerners who are conditioned by the Judeo-Christian concepts and who have no prior knowledge of Eastern traditions to understand Devi Bhava even before they come to meet Ammachi, The article makes it sound as if this is deceptive without actually saying that because they know they can't say that word, so they use innuendo to manipulate the readers into believing there is malice and deception. The article and the authors of it are being very deceptive. Sure depending on the samskara of a devotee she might declare herself an avatar, a devi but then people miss the point. An awakened Guru is a manifestation of the supreme consciousness and the supreme consciousness can take any form based upon the samskara of a person hence millions of deities in Hinduism. The number of dieties in Hinduism is just a metaphor, that each to his own - that each has his own unique path, that the supreme consciousness is so mysterious and powerful that it can manifest in a unique way for each individual. This symbolism is powerful and unique to Hinduism. This shows that Hinduism is really not a religion, it is called Sanatana Dharma, the eternal law - it is purely a recognition and celebration of the individual and his/her unique path to self-realization.
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On Apr 24, 2011, at 11:19 PM, seventhray1 wrote: Not sure how you spin the Devi Bhava deal as anything thing but text book cult. I'd love to hear the official version on that one. I mean, they could just come out and admit the truth, but there would be fallout. In general the whole affair seems to be pretty much standard cult. Makes me glad I retired from the guru worshipping business. I saw it as a modern carryover of the very ancient practice of a woman being emotionally possessed by the goddess and then being worshipped as a living embodiment of Her. So it was like a window on the ancient past, but right here, right now, in the present. Her hugging seemed (to me) to be a way of showing people how to embrace totality and to embrace people as they are, with unconditional loving kindness, cosmic maternal love being a kind of lubricant of totality. Of course this is done in a very traditional Hindu fashion, of which bhava samadhi has some similarities to Christian charismatic practices. But it truly is a modern survival of the cult of Shakti, although not necessarily a cult in the negative sense. In the more negative sense we have women who are chosen to be goddesses for life, kumaris, who have little sign of spiritual accomplishment and it garnishes considerable wealth for their families. The movie Living Goddess is a good example of the negative side of this ancient way of life IMO. People like Amma, IMO, seem to be restoring the original tradition.
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I know you are somewhat into Osho, and I have to say, that although I know little about him, the one thing that I've always enjoyed is that he seems real upfront about who he is, and his lifestyle. Didn't seem to hide behind a lot of sanctimonious crap. Like I say, I've only seen a handful of videos and a few of the writings, but I like what I saw. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Thanks for your reply. Well you are right. There are so many issues, and so many ways to interpret them. As you say, what one sees as deception, may just be an attempt not to confuse by another. What one sees as worship, may just be symbolism for another. So, as Rick pointed out, and I guess Peter, you just navigate through, and pick out what works for you and what doesn't. Definitely a caveat emptor type sitiuation. I have to say though, IMHO, I see the gurus often having a hard time resisting some of the perks that accompany their fame, fortune and power. I mean, I think, a really hard time. But that's okay, because it doesn't affect me, and people,of course, are free to act and believe as they see fit. Steve - you don't have to worship her. I have never worshiped Amma nor did I see her as my Guru for a long time. I was among those who had no particular fascination for Devi Bhava, I loved Amma and would always complain to people around me that I didn't like Amma dressed in a colorful sari with a crown, I would even say I hate it. So to say that its a cult and everyone worships her is just so totally false, I'm a prime example of that - if it was a cult a person like who revels in shocking and mocking others would not have been entertained. In fact I used to detest the cult like behavior of certain people at Amma's but now I have to come to understand that people when they come to spirituality comes with issues of hurt, pain and betrayal. They find that the outside world and objects don't seem to give the everlasting happiness. Obviously these people are very sensitive and loving are not happy with the superficial toys of money, house, spouse and a couple of kids. They feel the need to be loved, long to be part of a group that can accept them for who they are. They may get Hindu names, they may wear saris/dhotis, bindis - they are very enthusiastic and think spirituality means aping certain outer manners and behavior. But this is all optional, Amma never insists on that. They slowly realize that the outer has no significance to the inner but this takes time so we can't just judge. In fact the article is just BS, sure they might downplay Devi Bhava, I can see why even I, being an Indian am highly uncomfortable with the Devi Bhava but the important thing it is not because of *malice*, it is not *deception* - they are just downplaying it for the Western audience, it is just being practical and pragmatic. The western audience wouldn't necessarily understand that the Devi is just a symbol for the supreme consciousness that pervades one and all. Once they love Amma and understand the Hindu concepts they slowly start understanding the Hindu principles, but these concepts are not mainstream, very few Westerners understand it so it makes sense to downplay it. Its very hard for Westerners who are conditioned by the Judeo-Christian concepts and who have no prior knowledge of Eastern traditions to understand Devi Bhava even before they come to meet Ammachi, The article makes it sound as if this is deceptive without actually saying that because they know they can't say that word, so they use innuendo to manipulate the readers into believing there is malice and deception. The article and the authors of it are being very deceptive. Sure depending on the samskara of a devotee she might declare herself an avatar, a devi but then people miss the point. An awakened Guru is a manifestation of the supreme consciousness and the supreme consciousness can take any form based upon the samskara of a person hence millions of deities in Hinduism. The number of dieties in Hinduism is just a metaphor, that each to his own - that each has his own unique path, that the supreme consciousness is so mysterious and powerful that it can manifest in a unique way for each individual. This symbolism is powerful and unique to Hinduism. This shows that Hinduism is really not a religion, it is called Sanatana Dharma, the eternal law - it is purely a recognition and celebration of the individual and his/her unique path to self-realization.
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On Apr 25, 2011, at 8:43 AM, seventhray1 wrote: I know you are somewhat into Osho, and I have to say, that although I know little about him, the one thing that I've always enjoyed is that he seems real upfront about who he is, and his lifestyle. Didn't seem to hide behind a lot of sanctimonious crap. Like I say, I've only seen a handful of videos and a few of the writings, but I like what I saw. Osho, aka Rajneesh, was a Nitrous Oxide addict who also had a love of marijuana milkshakes and Valium. Some of his books are said to have been dictated while under Nitrous from a local dentist.
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Like I say, I've only seen a handful of videos and a few of the writings, but I like what I saw. Vaj: Osho, aka Rajneesh, was a Nitrous Oxide addict who also had a love of marijuana milkshakes and Valium. Some of his books are said to have been dictated while under Nitrous from a local dentist. Apparently, Osho consumed no dairy and none of his books were dictated after he moved to Oregon and met the dentist up there.
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You are right, I loved Osho because he was not into avatar, infallible crap. He always said he was as fallible as anyone else, he clearly illustrated the qualities of the outer and the inner, the difference between the essential and accidental. No one has influenced me more than Osho, what I liked about him was his brutal honesty without caring for the need to sound holy and respectable and this is one of the qualities that I try to emulate because it matches my samskara. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I know you are somewhat into Osho, and I have to say, that although I know little about him, the one thing that I've always enjoyed is that he seems real upfront about who he is, and his lifestyle. Didn't seem to hide behind a lot of sanctimonious crap. Like I say, I've only seen a handful of videos and a few of the writings, but I like what I saw. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Thanks for your reply. Well you are right. There are so many issues, and so many ways to interpret them. As you say, what one sees as deception, may just be an attempt not to confuse by another. What one sees as worship, may just be symbolism for another. So, as Rick pointed out, and I guess Peter, you just navigate through, and pick out what works for you and what doesn't. Definitely a caveat emptor type sitiuation. I have to say though, IMHO, I see the gurus often having a hard time resisting some of the perks that accompany their fame, fortune and power. I mean, I think, a really hard time. But that's okay, because it doesn't affect me, and people,of course, are free to act and believe as they see fit. Steve - you don't have to worship her. I have never worshiped Amma nor did I see her as my Guru for a long time. I was among those who had no particular fascination for Devi Bhava, I loved Amma and would always complain to people around me that I didn't like Amma dressed in a colorful sari with a crown, I would even say I hate it. So to say that its a cult and everyone worships her is just so totally false, I'm a prime example of that - if it was a cult a person like who revels in shocking and mocking others would not have been entertained. In fact I used to detest the cult like behavior of certain people at Amma's but now I have to come to understand that people when they come to spirituality comes with issues of hurt, pain and betrayal. They find that the outside world and objects don't seem to give the everlasting happiness. Obviously these people are very sensitive and loving are not happy with the superficial toys of money, house, spouse and a couple of kids. They feel the need to be loved, long to be part of a group that can accept them for who they are. They may get Hindu names, they may wear saris/dhotis, bindis - they are very enthusiastic and think spirituality means aping certain outer manners and behavior. But this is all optional, Amma never insists on that. They slowly realize that the outer has no significance to the inner but this takes time so we can't just judge. In fact the article is just BS, sure they might downplay Devi Bhava, I can see why even I, being an Indian am highly uncomfortable with the Devi Bhava but the important thing it is not because of *malice*, it is not *deception* - they are just downplaying it for the Western audience, it is just being practical and pragmatic. The western audience wouldn't necessarily understand that the Devi is just a symbol for the supreme consciousness that pervades one and all. Once they love Amma and understand the Hindu concepts they slowly start understanding the Hindu principles, but these concepts are not mainstream, very few Westerners understand it so it makes sense to downplay it. Its very hard for Westerners who are conditioned by the Judeo-Christian concepts and who have no prior knowledge of Eastern traditions to understand Devi Bhava even before they come to meet Ammachi, The article makes it sound as if this is deceptive without actually saying that because they know they can't say that word, so they use innuendo to manipulate the readers into believing there is malice and deception. The article and the authors of it are being very deceptive. Sure depending on the samskara of a devotee she might declare herself an avatar, a devi but then people miss the point. An awakened Guru is a manifestation of the supreme consciousness and the supreme consciousness can take any form based upon the samskara of a person hence millions of deities in Hinduism. The number of dieties in Hinduism is just a metaphor, that each to his own - that each has his own unique path, that the supreme consciousness is
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 25, 2011, at 8:43 AM, seventhray1 wrote: I know you are somewhat into Osho, and I have to say, that although I know little about him, the one thing that I've always enjoyed is that he seems real upfront about who he is, and his lifestyle. Didn't seem to hide behind a lot of sanctimonious crap. Like I say, I've only seen a handful of videos and a few of the writings, but I like what I saw. Osho, aka Rajneesh, was a Nitrous Oxide addict who also had a love of marijuana milkshakes and Valium. Some of his books are said to have been dictated while under Nitrous from a local dentist. This is so hilarious in it's outrageousness. Vaj, the one trick parrot with his daily choking routine of parroted stuff, with the daily discourses on the Parama Vakra Gita, messiah of the fallen TM'ers - good to have your comedy routine back.
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On Apr 25, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: Osho, aka Rajneesh, was a Nitrous Oxide addict who also had a love of marijuana milkshakes and Valium. Some of his books are said to have been dictated while under Nitrous from a local dentist. This is so hilarious in it's outrageousness. Vaj, the one trick parrot with his daily choking routine of parroted stuff, with the daily discourses on the Parama Vakra Gita, messiah of the fallen TM'ers - good to have your comedy routine back. I'm not parroting anything Ravee. It's just what I know from having talked to Rajneesh followers, that's all. If anyone needs a new comedy routine...dude it's you. Sorry, it ain't workin'...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Pall Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:17 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] About the Amma Cult http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrine-of -the-hugging-saint who's behind this site? The Bhagavan Amma people who give diksha? That's my impression, but it's hard to tell. The site also has articles that are positive towards her: http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/ammachi-full-expression-of-generosity-and-love http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/my-experiences-with-divinity-called-amma-the-hugging-saint-from-india The site can't seem to make up its mind what bias to have. Or, maybe it's just a general repository of Eastern/New Age spiritual themed articles.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrin\ e-of-the-hugging-saint Not sure how you spin the Devi Bhava deal as anything thing but text book cult. I'd love to hear the official version on that one. I mean, they could just come out and admit the truth, but there would be fallout. In general the whole affair seems to be pretty much standard cult. Makes me glad I retired from the guru worshipping business.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrin\ e-of -the-hugging-saint who's behind this site? The Bhagavan Amma people who give diksha? That's my impression, but it's hard to tell. Is this the shoot the messager type response? You know, the don't address the issues raised, focus on the messager type response. Basic cult mentality. Kind of like the mentality you regularly fault the TMO for displaying.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult
Some are free to ignore activities in an organization that appear to be hypocritical and focus on the benefits they feel they are receiving. And others may like to see a little consistency in their organization even if it means they can be accused of being stuck in their ego. Often another convenient manipulation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: People are so lost in their thoughts and concepts. Go with your direct experience. The rest is ridiculous. Who cares what collection of concepts you have that says right,right, right, wrong, wrong, wrong. And then people run out to warn others as if nobody but they have the true understanding of what is really going on. And all the time that divine is present in all it's infinite profundity, just right there. Right there pulling that absurd ego right into it stripping everything.Be as little children; open, clear, simple. --- On Sun, 4/24/11, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: Rick Archer rick@... Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] About the Amma Cult To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 9:40 PM From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Pall Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:17 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] About the Amma Cult   http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrin\ e-of-the-hugging-saintwhoâs behind this site? The Bhagavan Amma people who give diksha? Thatâs my impression, but itâs hard to tell.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of seventhray1 Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:19 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/article/outsider-vs-insider-doctrine-of -the-hugging-saint Not sure how you spin the Devi Bhava deal as anything thing but text book cult. I'd love to hear the official version on that one. I mean, they could just come out and admit the truth, but there would be fallout. In general the whole affair seems to be pretty much standard cult. Makes me glad I retired from the guru worshipping business. I guess different people view it differently. I find it entertaining, in a ceremonial sort of way. I don't take the symbolism very literally, nor am I overly invested in any type of expression of Indian spirituality. I think spirituality is universal, and Indians have their own festive way of celebrating it. To each his own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About the Amma Cult
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: I guess different people view it differently. I find it entertaining, in a ceremonial sort of way. I don't take the symbolism very literally, nor am I overly invested in any type of expression of Indian spirituality. I think spirituality is universal, and Indians have their own festive way of celebrating it. To each his own. Makes sense. Take what you, want and leave the rest
