[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
I keep forgetting about this black friday thing, here. Jesus. At least it is, technically, *after* Turkey Day, and so, the Xmas Season kickoff... I like Canada a lot - As much as I love the US tribe, Canada is always a kinder and gentler example, to me, of how to act as a country, though their much smaller population makes it all a bit easier to manage, too. I cannot recall ever having met a Canadian, who was not friendly, giving, personable, and trustworthy. I worked with several, for years, in various tech companies. Have only visited Ottowa, though - Loved It - Instant Europe. I don't know where it comes from, but my daughter is a big hockey fan - not quite religion, but it is her 'go to' game. Happy Thanksgiving, if yours is on the same day...or just good morning! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
This was kind of funny. The other day, I think it was Monday, I was on the highway in Illinois, and there on the side of the road, right off the shoulder, were five turkeys, busy pecking away at something they had found. We know Benjamin Franklin said the eagle was too immoral to be our national bird and much preferred the turkey. I'm still votin' for the eagle. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I keep forgetting about this black friday thing, here. Jesus. At least it is, technically, *after* Turkey Day, and so, the Xmas Season kickoff... I like Canada a lot - As much as I love the US tribe, Canada is always a kinder and gentler example, to me, of how to act as a country, though their much smaller population makes it all a bit easier to manage, too. I cannot recall ever having met a Canadian, who was not friendly, giving, personable, and trustworthy. I worked with several, for years, in various tech companies. Have only visited Ottowa, though - Loved It - Instant Europe. I don't know where it comes from, but my daughter is a big hockey fan - not quite religion, but it is her 'go to' game. Happy Thanksgiving, if yours is on the same day...or just good morning! Good morning, sir. No, Canadian Thanksgiving is always the first Monday in October. So today we just watch the Americans eat their way to lethargy and play their football and get ready to descend on the stores tomorrow in a shopping panic. One thing that has happened up here is that in an effort to reap some of the marketing benefits of Black Friday in America, Canada has also started their own Black Friday. I hate it. BTW, really good post about Barry and his sick postings here. I really, really wish he could either leave us alone or at least go get help. Maybe getting arrested would be a wakeup call, I don't know. But his toxicity here is beyond belief. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : This was kind of funny. The other day, I think it was Monday, I was on the highway in Illinois, and there on the side of the road, right off the shoulder, were five turkeys, busy pecking away at something they had found. We know Benjamin Franklin said the eagle was too immoral to be our national bird and much preferred the turkey. I'm still votin' for the eagle. (-: Are you sure they weren't turkey vultures? They can look a little alike with their ugly heads and turkey vultures would definitely be pecking on road kill. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
oh, good point. But these were pretty large birds, and they were scattered over a little area. I couldn't see exactly, but it looked more like they were pecking along at little bits of something, sorta like chickens. Looking at the pictures below, the guys I saw maybe had a more vertical profile. And then the next day, over in Chesterfield, near the Missouri River, I noticed a big freshly plowed field with white spots all around. As I got closer I saw that they were doves, or some other white bird, who were pecking away at what must have been some freshly laid seed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : This was kind of funny. The other day, I think it was Monday, I was on the highway in Illinois, and there on the side of the road, right off the shoulder, were five turkeys, busy pecking away at something they had found. We know Benjamin Franklin said the eagle was too immoral to be our national bird and much preferred the turkey. I'm still votin' for the eagle. (-: Are you sure they weren't turkey vultures? They can look a little alike with their ugly heads and turkey vultures would definitely be pecking on road kill. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
Turkey vultures have a *much* smaller body, all that bulk is a folded six foot wingspan - We watch them circle up and out of the canyons almost every day. Largest nostrils of any bird, so they can smell carrion from hundreds of feet up. Doesn't add to their looks, but first things, first. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : oh, good point. But these were pretty large birds, and they were scattered over a little area. I couldn't see exactly, but it looked more like they were pecking along at little bits of something, sorta like chickens. Looking at the pictures below, the guys I saw maybe had a more vertical profile. And then the next day, over in Chesterfield, near the Missouri River, I noticed a big freshly plowed field with white spots all around. As I got closer I saw that they were doves, or some other white bird, who were pecking away at what must have been some freshly laid seed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : This was kind of funny. The other day, I think it was Monday, I was on the highway in Illinois, and there on the side of the road, right off the shoulder, were five turkeys, busy pecking away at something they had found. We know Benjamin Franklin said the eagle was too immoral to be our national bird and much preferred the turkey. I'm still votin' for the eagle. (-: Are you sure they weren't turkey vultures? They can look a little alike with their ugly heads and turkey vultures would definitely be pecking on road kill. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
LOL - Looks like I really stepped in the dressing! Yes, the football and feasting. I will do my best to eat and drink too much today! As for Barry, like I said, there isn't a hole deep enough for him right now, so the best course, for him, is to get some help, and remove himself until he does, without any prodding, official or otherwise. This place was never meant to be his toilet, and if it takes the Dutch cops asking him a lot of uncomfortable questions, to get him out of here, and to seriously clean up his act, so be it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I keep forgetting about this black friday thing, here. Jesus. At least it is, technically, *after* Turkey Day, and so, the Xmas Season kickoff... I like Canada a lot - As much as I love the US tribe, Canada is always a kinder and gentler example, to me, of how to act as a country, though their much smaller population makes it all a bit easier to manage, too. I cannot recall ever having met a Canadian, who was not friendly, giving, personable, and trustworthy. I worked with several, for years, in various tech companies. Have only visited Ottowa, though - Loved It - Instant Europe. I don't know where it comes from, but my daughter is a big hockey fan - not quite religion, but it is her 'go to' game. Happy Thanksgiving, if yours is on the same day...or just good morning! Good morning, sir. No, Canadian Thanksgiving is always the first Monday in October. So today we just watch the Americans eat their way to lethargy and play their football and get ready to descend on the stores tomorrow in a shopping panic. One thing that has happened up here is that in an effort to reap some of the marketing benefits of Black Friday in America, Canada has also started their own Black Friday. I hate it. BTW, really good post about Barry and his sick postings here. I really, really wish he could either leave us alone or at least go get help. Maybe getting arrested would be a wakeup call, I don't know. But his toxicity here is beyond belief. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
Black Friday is nothing more than a plea from shitty big businessmen to bail us out because we don't know how to run a corporation. For a lot of people it means stay home Friday and stay away from the crazies on the road and at the stores. I'm waiting for Red February. :-D On 11/27/2014 07:28 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I keep forgetting about this black friday thing, here. Jesus. At least it is, technically, *after* Turkey Day, and so, the Xmas Season kickoff... I like Canada a lot - As much as I love the US tribe, Canada is always a kinder and gentler example, to me, of how to act as a country, though their much smaller population makes it all a bit easier to manage, too. I cannot recall ever having met a Canadian, who was not friendly, giving, personable, and trustworthy. I worked with several, for years, in various tech companies. Have only visited Ottowa, though - Loved It - Instant Europe. I don't know where it comes from, but my daughter is a big hockey fan - not quite religion, but it is her 'go to' game. Happy Thanksgiving, if yours is on the same day...or just good morning! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. /* */ /*Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.*/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
Ha Ha - With web shopping, there really aren't any sales anymore, either, except for a few loss leaders, or the latest tech gadget - I figure some people just enjoy the mild shopping insanity during black friday. Yes, I stay home, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Black Friday is nothing more than a plea from shitty big businessmen to bail us out because we don't know how to run a corporation. For a lot of people it means stay home Friday and stay away from the crazies on the road and at the stores. I'm waiting for Red February. :-D On 11/27/2014 07:28 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I keep forgetting about this black friday thing, here. Jesus. At least it is, technically, *after* Turkey Day, and so, the Xmas Season kickoff... I like Canada a lot - As much as I love the US tribe, Canada is always a kinder and gentler example, to me, of how to act as a country, though their much smaller population makes it all a bit easier to manage, too. I cannot recall ever having met a Canadian, who was not friendly, giving, personable, and trustworthy. I worked with several, for years, in various tech companies. Have only visited Ottowa, though - Loved It - Instant Europe. I don't know where it comes from, but my daughter is a big hockey fan - not quite religion, but it is her 'go to' game. Happy Thanksgiving, if yours is on the same day...or just good morning! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
Like the Trolls in Norse mythology who crack up if exposed to direct sunlight the Turq have been exposed to more light than he expected. He is probably busy cleaning up his harddisks as we speak. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : LOL - Looks like I really stepped in the dressing! Yes, the football and feasting. I will do my best to eat and drink too much today! As for Barry, like I said, there isn't a hole deep enough for him right now, so the best course, for him, is to get some help, and remove himself until he does, without any prodding, official or otherwise. This place was never meant to be his toilet, and if it takes the Dutch cops asking him a lot of uncomfortable questions, to get him out of here, and to seriously clean up his act, so be it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I keep forgetting about this black friday thing, here. Jesus. At least it is, technically, *after* Turkey Day, and so, the Xmas Season kickoff... I like Canada a lot - As much as I love the US tribe, Canada is always a kinder and gentler example, to me, of how to act as a country, though their much smaller population makes it all a bit easier to manage, too. I cannot recall ever having met a Canadian, who was not friendly, giving, personable, and trustworthy. I worked with several, for years, in various tech companies. Have only visited Ottowa, though - Loved It - Instant Europe. I don't know where it comes from, but my daughter is a big hockey fan - not quite religion, but it is her 'go to' game. Happy Thanksgiving, if yours is on the same day...or just good morning! Good morning, sir. No, Canadian Thanksgiving is always the first Monday in October. So today we just watch the Americans eat their way to lethargy and play their football and get ready to descend on the stores tomorrow in a shopping panic. One thing that has happened up here is that in an effort to reap some of the marketing benefits of Black Friday in America, Canada has also started their own Black Friday. I hate it. BTW, really good post about Barry and his sick postings here. I really, really wish he could either leave us alone or at least go get help. Maybe getting arrested would be a wakeup call, I don't know. But his toxicity here is beyond belief. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
Great analogy! I wonder where the Norsemen got the myth from?? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Like the Trolls in Norse mythology who crack up if exposed to direct sunlight the Turq have been exposed to more light than he expected. He is probably busy cleaning up his harddisks as we speak. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : LOL - Looks like I really stepped in the dressing! Yes, the football and feasting. I will do my best to eat and drink too much today! As for Barry, like I said, there isn't a hole deep enough for him right now, so the best course, for him, is to get some help, and remove himself until he does, without any prodding, official or otherwise. This place was never meant to be his toilet, and if it takes the Dutch cops asking him a lot of uncomfortable questions, to get him out of here, and to seriously clean up his act, so be it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I keep forgetting about this black friday thing, here. Jesus. At least it is, technically, *after* Turkey Day, and so, the Xmas Season kickoff... I like Canada a lot - As much as I love the US tribe, Canada is always a kinder and gentler example, to me, of how to act as a country, though their much smaller population makes it all a bit easier to manage, too. I cannot recall ever having met a Canadian, who was not friendly, giving, personable, and trustworthy. I worked with several, for years, in various tech companies. Have only visited Ottowa, though - Loved It - Instant Europe. I don't know where it comes from, but my daughter is a big hockey fan - not quite religion, but it is her 'go to' game. Happy Thanksgiving, if yours is on the same day...or just good morning! Good morning, sir. No, Canadian Thanksgiving is always the first Monday in October. So today we just watch the Americans eat their way to lethargy and play their football and get ready to descend on the stores tomorrow in a shopping panic. One thing that has happened up here is that in an effort to reap some of the marketing benefits of Black Friday in America, Canada has also started their own Black Friday. I hate it. BTW, really good post about Barry and his sick postings here. I really, really wish he could either leave us alone or at least go get help. Maybe getting arrested would be a wakeup call, I don't know. But his toxicity here is beyond belief. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
I like that, largest nostrils bit. Good 'ol natural selection, at work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Turkey vultures have a *much* smaller body, all that bulk is a folded six foot wingspan - We watch them circle up and out of the canyons almost every day. Largest nostrils of any bird, so they can smell carrion from hundreds of feet up. Doesn't add to their looks, but first things, first. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : oh, good point. But these were pretty large birds, and they were scattered over a little area. I couldn't see exactly, but it looked more like they were pecking along at little bits of something, sorta like chickens. Looking at the pictures below, the guys I saw maybe had a more vertical profile. And then the next day, over in Chesterfield, near the Missouri River, I noticed a big freshly plowed field with white spots all around. As I got closer I saw that they were doves, or some other white bird, who were pecking away at what must have been some freshly laid seed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : This was kind of funny. The other day, I think it was Monday, I was on the highway in Illinois, and there on the side of the road, right off the shoulder, were five turkeys, busy pecking away at something they had found. We know Benjamin Franklin said the eagle was too immoral to be our national bird and much preferred the turkey. I'm still votin' for the eagle. (-: Are you sure they weren't turkey vultures? They can look a little alike with their ugly heads and turkey vultures would definitely be pecking on road kill. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
I wonder if the turkeys refer to the turkey vultures as, Jimmy Durantes, or similar, behind their backs? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I like that, largest nostrils bit. Good 'ol natural selection, at work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Turkey vultures have a *much* smaller body, all that bulk is a folded six foot wingspan - We watch them circle up and out of the canyons almost every day. Largest nostrils of any bird, so they can smell carrion from hundreds of feet up. Doesn't add to their looks, but first things, first. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : oh, good point. But these were pretty large birds, and they were scattered over a little area. I couldn't see exactly, but it looked more like they were pecking along at little bits of something, sorta like chickens. Looking at the pictures below, the guys I saw maybe had a more vertical profile. And then the next day, over in Chesterfield, near the Missouri River, I noticed a big freshly plowed field with white spots all around. As I got closer I saw that they were doves, or some other white bird, who were pecking away at what must have been some freshly laid seed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : This was kind of funny. The other day, I think it was Monday, I was on the highway in Illinois, and there on the side of the road, right off the shoulder, were five turkeys, busy pecking away at something they had found. We know Benjamin Franklin said the eagle was too immoral to be our national bird and much preferred the turkey. I'm still votin' for the eagle. (-: Are you sure they weren't turkey vultures? They can look a little alike with their ugly heads and turkey vultures would definitely be pecking on road kill. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
All the stories about the Trolls are age-old oral traditions. Funny thing is
that when these stories were collected and written down in the 1800's they were
coherent and often identical even between remote villages in different parts of
Scandinavia and Iceland.
I had an Icelandic friend who was rather bright who said he often saw and
communicated with Trolls who he claimed were not benign but rather dense and
could be easily tricked into doing things he wanted them to do.
But communication was always restricted to after sunset or before sunrise :-)
As wiki points out there are huge numbers of these Creatures but all being
biggish, dim-witted and potentially dangerous.
In Norse mythology, troll, like thurs, is a term applied to jötnar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6tnar, and are mentioned throughout the Old
Norse corpus. In Old Norse sources, trolls are said to dwell in isolated
mountains, rocks, and caves, sometimes live together (usually as
father-and-daughter or mother-and-son), and are rarely described as helpful or
friendly.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-ORCHARD1997167-1 In
the Prose Edda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prose_Edda book Skáldskaparmál
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sk%C3%A1ldskaparm%C3%A1l, a scenario describing an
encounter between an unnamed troll woman and the 9th century skald
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skald Bragi Boddason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bragi_Boddason is provided. According to the
section, once, late in the evening, Bragi was driving through a certain
forest when a troll woman aggressively asked him who he was, in the process
describing herself:
Bragi responds in turn, describing himself and his abilities as a skillful
skald http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skald, before the scenario ends.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-FAULKES-132-3
There is much confusion and overlap in the use of Old Norse terms jötunn,
troll, þurs and risi, which describe various beings. Lotte Motz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotte_Motz theorized that these were originally
four distinct classes of beings; lords of nature (jötunn), mythical magicians
(troll), hostile monsters (þurs) and heroic and courtly beings (risi)—the last
class being the youngest addition. Ármann Jakobsson calls this theory
unsupported by any convincing evidence.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-JAKOBSSON06-4 He has gone on to
study the Old Norse examples of the term troll and has concluded that in the
Middle Ages, the term is used to denote various beings such as a giant or
mountain-dweller, a witch, an abnormally strong or large or ugly person, an
evil spirit, a ghost, a blámaðr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people, a
magical boar, a heathen demi-god, a demon, a brunnmigi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunnmigi or a berserk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-JAKOBSSON08-5[clarification needed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify]
Scandinavian folklore Later, in Scandinavian folklore, trolls become defined
as a particular type of being.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-SIMEK335-6 Numerous tales about
trolls are recorded, in which they are frequently described as being extremely
old, very strong, but slow and dim-witted, and are at times described as
man-eaters and as turning to stone upon contact with sunlight.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-KVEDELAND-SEHMSDORF-301-313-7
However, trolls are also attested as looking much the same as human beings,
without any particularly hideous appearance about them, but where they differ
is in that they live far away from human habitation, and, unlike the rå and
näck—who are attested as solitary beings, trolls generally have some form of
social organization. Where they differ, Lindow adds, is that they are not
Christian, and those that encounter them do not know them. Therefore trolls
were in the end dangerous, regardless of how well they may get along with
Christian society, and trolls display a habit of bergtagning ('kidnapping';
literally mountain-taking) and overrunning a farm or estate.[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-LINDOW-1978-33-35-8
While noting that the etymology of the word troll remains uncertain, John
Lindow defines trolls in later Swedish folklore as nature beings and as
all-purpose otherworldly being[s], equivalent, for example, to fairies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy in Anglo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-saxons-Celtic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts traditions and that they therefore appear
in various migratory legends
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Migratory_legendaction=editredlink=1
where collective nature-beings are called for. Lindow notes that trolls are
sometimes swapped out for cats and little people in the folklore record.[8]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
Mild shopping insanity? Shirley, you jest. It'll be a free for all and we'll see if they out due last year's rampages. Red February will be when the big stores reveal how poor sales were during the holiday season and how many people they will be laying off. And how do they expect people to buy things when they don't have any money? Somebody in the UK made an image of Walmart Black Friday look like a Nazi rally: http://rt.com/usa/209199-reddit-black-friday-walmart/ On 11/27/2014 09:58 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Ha Ha - With web shopping, there really aren't any sales anymore, either, except for a few loss leaders, or the latest tech gadget - I figure some people just enjoy the mild shopping insanity during black friday. Yes, I stay home, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Black Friday is nothing more than a plea from shitty big businessmen to bail us out because we don't know how to run a corporation. For a lot of people it means stay home Friday and stay away from the crazies on the road and at the stores. I'm waiting for Red February. :-D On 11/27/2014 07:28 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I keep forgetting about this black friday thing, here. Jesus. At least it is, technically, *after* Turkey Day, and so, the Xmas Season kickoff... I like Canada a lot - As much as I love the US tribe, Canada is always a kinder and gentler example, to me, of how to act as a country, though their much smaller population makes it all a bit easier to manage, too. I cannot recall ever having met a Canadian, who was not friendly, giving, personable, and trustworthy. I worked with several, for years, in various tech companies. Have only visited Ottowa, though - Loved It - Instant Europe. I don't know where it comes from, but my daughter is a big hockey fan - not quite religion, but it is her 'go to' game. Happy Thanksgiving, if yours is on the same day...or just good morning! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned about Thanksgiving, being a less commercial holiday than our others, and am curious if a similar holiday exists in the other countries represented here? In other words, one not tied to religion or patriotism, or a great person, but simply to give thanks for what we have. /* */ /*Canadian thanksgiving is pretty much the same but we don't have the big shopping thing the day after. Canadians tend to be a bit more understated than Americans in most things they do on a large scale - oh, except for the hockey thing. That is religion here and considered their own invention although I think some arguments exist that Holland invented the first hockey sticks and the idea of hitting objects around a frozen surface.*/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
I can recommend the movie Troll Hunter if you want to know more. It's an
amazing true story told from video recordings found in the high north, the
students who shot the footage have never been seen since!
Troll Hunter (2012) Official Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvwEyHeRSvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvwEyHeRSvE
Troll Hunter (2012) Official Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvwEyHeRSvE You'll believe it when you see it.
Out now on DVD, Blu-ray and Digital. http://mad.mn/rollhunter The government
says there's nothing to worry about - it'...
View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvwEyHeRSvE
Preview by Yahoo
(It's one of my faves)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
All the stories about the Trolls are age-old oral traditions. Funny thing is
that when these stories were collected and written down in the 1800's they were
coherent and often identical even between remote villages in different parts of
Scandinavia and Iceland.
I had an Icelandic friend who was rather bright who said he often saw and
communicated with Trolls who he claimed were not benign but rather dense and
could be easily tricked into doing things he wanted them to do.
But communication was always restricted to after sunset or before sunrise :-)
As wiki points out there are huge numbers of these Creatures but all being
biggish, dim-witted and potentially dangerous.
In Norse mythology, troll, like thurs, is a term applied to jötnar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6tnar, and are mentioned throughout the Old
Norse corpus. In Old Norse sources, trolls are said to dwell in isolated
mountains, rocks, and caves, sometimes live together (usually as
father-and-daughter or mother-and-son), and are rarely described as helpful or
friendly.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-ORCHARD1997167-1 In
the Prose Edda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prose_Edda book Skáldskaparmál
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sk%C3%A1ldskaparm%C3%A1l, a scenario describing an
encounter between an unnamed troll woman and the 9th century skald
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skald Bragi Boddason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bragi_Boddason is provided. According to the
section, once, late in the evening, Bragi was driving through a certain
forest when a troll woman aggressively asked him who he was, in the process
describing herself:
Bragi responds in turn, describing himself and his abilities as a skillful
skald http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skald, before the scenario ends.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-FAULKES-132-3
There is much confusion and overlap in the use of Old Norse terms jötunn,
troll, þurs and risi, which describe various beings. Lotte Motz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotte_Motz theorized that these were originally
four distinct classes of beings; lords of nature (jötunn), mythical magicians
(troll), hostile monsters (þurs) and heroic and courtly beings (risi)—the last
class being the youngest addition. Ármann Jakobsson calls this theory
unsupported by any convincing evidence.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-JAKOBSSON06-4 He has gone on to
study the Old Norse examples of the term troll and has concluded that in the
Middle Ages, the term is used to denote various beings such as a giant or
mountain-dweller, a witch, an abnormally strong or large or ugly person, an
evil spirit, a ghost, a blámaðr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people, a
magical boar, a heathen demi-god, a demon, a brunnmigi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunnmigi or a berserk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-JAKOBSSON08-5[clarification needed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify]
Scandinavian folklore Later, in Scandinavian folklore, trolls become defined
as a particular type of being.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-SIMEK335-6 Numerous tales about
trolls are recorded, in which they are frequently described as being extremely
old, very strong, but slow and dim-witted, and are at times described as
man-eaters and as turning to stone upon contact with sunlight.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-KVEDELAND-SEHMSDORF-301-313-7
However, trolls are also attested as looking much the same as human beings,
without any particularly hideous appearance about them, but where they differ
is in that they live far away from human habitation, and, unlike the rå and
näck—who are attested as solitary beings, trolls generally have some form of
social organization. Where they differ, Lindow adds, is that they are not
Christian, and those that encounter them do not know them. Therefore trolls
were in the end dangerous, regardless of how well they may get along with
Christian society, and trolls display a habit of bergtagning ('kidnapping';
literally mountain-taking) and overrunning a farm or estate.[8]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious, and lazy, inquiry about Thanksgiving in other countries
Fascinating - I recall them from the children's stories I heard as a child.
Must be some truth to all of it, given the coherence of the stories.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
All the stories about the Trolls are age-old oral traditions. Funny thing is
that when these stories were collected and written down in the 1800's they were
coherent and often identical even between remote villages in different parts of
Scandinavia and Iceland.
I had an Icelandic friend who was rather bright who said he often saw and
communicated with Trolls who he claimed were not benign but rather dense and
could be easily tricked into doing things he wanted them to do.
But communication was always restricted to after sunset or before sunrise :-)
As wiki points out there are huge numbers of these Creatures but all being
biggish, dim-witted and potentially dangerous.
In Norse mythology, troll, like thurs, is a term applied to jötnar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6tnar, and are mentioned throughout the Old
Norse corpus. In Old Norse sources, trolls are said to dwell in isolated
mountains, rocks, and caves, sometimes live together (usually as
father-and-daughter or mother-and-son), and are rarely described as helpful or
friendly.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-ORCHARD1997167-1 In
the Prose Edda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prose_Edda book Skáldskaparmál
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sk%C3%A1ldskaparm%C3%A1l, a scenario describing an
encounter between an unnamed troll woman and the 9th century skald
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skald Bragi Boddason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bragi_Boddason is provided. According to the
section, once, late in the evening, Bragi was driving through a certain
forest when a troll woman aggressively asked him who he was, in the process
describing herself:
Bragi responds in turn, describing himself and his abilities as a skillful
skald http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skald, before the scenario ends.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-FAULKES-132-3
There is much confusion and overlap in the use of Old Norse terms jötunn,
troll, þurs and risi, which describe various beings. Lotte Motz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotte_Motz theorized that these were originally
four distinct classes of beings; lords of nature (jötunn), mythical magicians
(troll), hostile monsters (þurs) and heroic and courtly beings (risi)—the last
class being the youngest addition. Ármann Jakobsson calls this theory
unsupported by any convincing evidence.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-JAKOBSSON06-4 He has gone on to
study the Old Norse examples of the term troll and has concluded that in the
Middle Ages, the term is used to denote various beings such as a giant or
mountain-dweller, a witch, an abnormally strong or large or ugly person, an
evil spirit, a ghost, a blámaðr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people, a
magical boar, a heathen demi-god, a demon, a brunnmigi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunnmigi or a berserk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-JAKOBSSON08-5[clarification needed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify]
Scandinavian folklore Later, in Scandinavian folklore, trolls become defined
as a particular type of being.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-SIMEK335-6 Numerous tales about
trolls are recorded, in which they are frequently described as being extremely
old, very strong, but slow and dim-witted, and are at times described as
man-eaters and as turning to stone upon contact with sunlight.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-KVEDELAND-SEHMSDORF-301-313-7
However, trolls are also attested as looking much the same as human beings,
without any particularly hideous appearance about them, but where they differ
is in that they live far away from human habitation, and, unlike the rå and
näck—who are attested as solitary beings, trolls generally have some form of
social organization. Where they differ, Lindow adds, is that they are not
Christian, and those that encounter them do not know them. Therefore trolls
were in the end dangerous, regardless of how well they may get along with
Christian society, and trolls display a habit of bergtagning ('kidnapping';
literally mountain-taking) and overrunning a farm or estate.[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#cite_note-LINDOW-1978-33-35-8
While noting that the etymology of the word troll remains uncertain, John
Lindow defines trolls in later Swedish folklore as nature beings and as
all-purpose otherworldly being[s], equivalent, for example, to fairies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy in Anglo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-saxons-Celtic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts traditions and that they therefore appear
in various migratory legends
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Migratory_legendaction=editredlink=1
