[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

 
 
 
  300 children.
  
  Is there anyone left inside MIU that could explain the spiritual facts of 
  life to these unruly children and those outsiders who agitate them?
 

In the place of the Transcendentalists came other men and women, new
and untried, with not so much of Greek and Latin, not so much suavity
of manners, not so much cultivation, but warm of heart and brave of
purpose. The magnificent idea was a revelation of truth to some but
also a great temptation for many shivering poor and impatient
outsiders. They could thrive on it. They felt it was their right, their
destiny, having failed in the civilized fight for bread and butter and
comfort, to have from some source food, shelter and protection; and it
struck them that Brook Farm was just the place to go for it. So the
Association was inundated with applications of all kinds by person and
by letter.

1840's Transcendentalism  Brook Farm


http://infomotions.com/etexts/gutenberg/dirs/etext05/brkfm10.htm



 
 Om, the University student.
 
 Here, are the spiritual facts of life:
 There is not time to waste.
 
 Listen; 
 
 Young people all, attention give
 And hear what I shall say;
 I wish your souls with meditation to live
 In everlasting day.
 
 Remember you are hast'ning on
 To death's dark gloomy shade;
 Your joys on earth will soon be gone,
 Your flesh in dust be laid.
 
 Death's iron gate you must pass through
 Ere long , my dear young friends;
 With whom do you think to go?
 With saints, or non-meditating fiends?
 
 Will you pursue your dangerous ways?
 Pray meditate before too late
 Behold, a light before the gate
 Most lovingly it doth shine.
 
 
 Young people all I pray then view
 The fountain open wide,
 The spring of life, opened for sin,
 Which flows the transcendent side;
 There you may drink in endless joy,
 And reign with the unified field your king
 In glad notes your souls employ,
 And hallelujahs sing.
 
 
 A beautiful meditation hymn and strong message
 to the tune at:
 http://shapenote.net/37b.htm
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
  
  Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
  going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate
  
  
  
  
   Our call to be meditators is something more than a casual circumstance.  
   I feel its force and realize its holiness.  As a meditator in the sphere 
   of nature, I realize how enslaved we should have been to the fashions and 
   life that gratify the merely animal passions.  As a conservative 
   meditator in the spiritual family of Fairfield meditators, I am relieved 
   from earthly servitude, and am a free being; free to live and be as pure 
   as the heavens, with companions who are also pure.  
   
   I am happy in my call to an entire consecration of soul and body in 
   meditation, to a cause so noble; and though many rebel against the call 
   of meditation, I know that the discipline of a meditating life is of God 
   and that its principles in science can never fail, I have tasted the 
   bread and waters of a regenerated and eternal life in meditation, and to 
   every sincere seeker after truth, I send greeting, and welcome to share 
   in meditation, in Fairfield.
   
   Jai Adi Shankara,
   -Doug in FF
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
   
Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to 
meditate by
taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that 
policy
was dropped. A study was then conducted that determined that the student
body consists of 
 
. 30% entrepreneurs - career-oriented kids who mainly want to 
learn
skills and enter the workforce. TM and SCI aren't high priorities. 
. 60% dreamers who want to change the world. They appreciate 
TM
but don't see it as the lynchpin of that endeavor. They're into
environmentalism and other causes.
. 10% devotees
 
The faculty are about 90% devotees, so their attempts to impose their 
values
on the students weren't working. The university is trying to translate 
this
assessment into practical steps to become more relevant and appealing to
students.
 
I wonder whether all this is related to Bevan Morris' recent withdrawal 
from
the board of trustees?
   
  
 
 
 o

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

So, these 300 little shits who don't want to meditate?
They don't really just let someone come to MIU up there now without first 
having learned to meditate and also read the B. Gita?  Would just be 
fool-hearted trouble, evidently.  




 
 
 
  These university students, these children in rebellion.   How prepared 
  spiritually were they before they enrolled.  Were they meditators for any 
  length of time before they began their studies at the school?  
  
  
  Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all 
  going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate 
  
  They seem to know not.
  
  
 
 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all going to drop out if 
 the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate.
 
 These children.
 
 No one can seriously enter this knowledge bound and shackled in swaddling 
 clothes. They can be attracted by aspects and seek access through them, but, 
 unless experienced into transcendental spirituality in the very essence of 
 this knowledge in all its phases, then it will be but an attempt, a fruitless 
 expenditure of time and talent.  Like, pearls before swine.
 
 It is recognized by those who know in experience that the prepared, 
 spiritually unfolded are the only ones to whom this higher level of 
 university knowledge is of permanent use.
 
 
  
   These children,
   What kind of students are they anyway?
   I understand now that they cowed, rebelled and 
   whined when assigned only a 5 page paper 
   To write in the sustainability program.
   We can't (won't) do that!  like spoiled children,
   no discipline.
   
   Won't meditate, at MIU?
   
   Time to cull the herd when you get that.  Bad cows 
   Let the other cows out.  Take the bad ones to the sale-barn
   And let them go on to school somewhere else.  Don't let the
   Spirituality of the program and the good students get drug down 
   by some bad character
   In the herd.  Is part of the natural evolution of the species. Raise them 
   all with a firm hand and Cull
   The bad ones. 
   
   


Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM practice was 
considered a course, just like any other. It was a required course. 
Students saying they are being forced to meditate is absurd. It's 
like students at another uni saying they are forced to take a course 
in the humanities, or forced to take English composition, in order to 
graduate. If you don't like the mandatory courses at a college, go 
somewhere else, but don't whine about being forced to take them. 


 
 
 
  Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they 
  were all
  going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to 
  meditate by
  taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and 
  that policy
  was dropped. 
 
 
 Such children they are.  They just don't know.  Young people need to 
 be looked out after until they are olde enough to take care of 
 themselves.  If they don't want to meditate and won't, let them go to 
 Indian Skills Community College.  Push them out of the Tee-pee, that 
 will learn them.  They were lucky little shits and threw it all away. 
 Tough love.
 
 JGD,
 -D in FF

   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

 
 
 
  These university students, these children in rebellion.   How prepared 
  spiritually were they before they enrolled.  Were they meditators for any 
  length of time before they began their studies at the school?  
  
  
  Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all 
  going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate 
  
  They seem to know not.
  
  
 
 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all going to drop out if 
 the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate.
 
 These children.
 
 No one can seriously enter this knowledge bound and shackled in swaddling 
 clothes. They can be attracted by aspects and seek access through them, but, 
 unless experienced into transcendental spirituality in the very essence of 
 this knowledge in all its phases, then it will be but an attempt, a fruitless 
 expenditure of time and talent.  Like, pearls before swine.
 
 It is recognized by those who know in experience that the prepared, 
 spiritually unfolded are the only ones to whom this higher level of 
 university knowledge is of permanent use.
 


So, these 300 little shits who don't want to meditate?
They don't really just let someone come to MIU without first having learned 
meditation and also read the B. Gita?  Would just be fool-hearted trouble, 
evidently.  

 
  
   These children,
   What kind of students are they anyway?
   I understand now that they cowed, rebelled and 
   whined when assigned only a 5 page paper 
   To write in the sustainability program.
   We can't (won't) do that!  like spoiled children,
   no discipline.
   
   Won't meditate, at MIU?
   
   Time to cull the herd when you get that.  Bad cows 
   Let the other cows out.  Take the bad ones to the sale-barn
   And let them go on to school somewhere else.  Don't let the
   Spirituality of the program and the good students get drug down 
   by some bad character
   In the herd.  Is part of the natural evolution of the species. Raise them 
   all with a firm hand and Cull
   The bad ones. 
   
   


Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM practice was 
considered a course, just like any other. It was a required course. 
Students saying they are being forced to meditate is absurd. It's 
like students at another uni saying they are forced to take a course 
in the humanities, or forced to take English composition, in order to 
graduate. If you don't like the mandatory courses at a college, go 
somewhere else, but don't whine about being forced to take them. 


 
 
 
  Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they 
  were all
  going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to 
  meditate by
  taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and 
  that policy
  was dropped. 
 
 
 Such children they are.  They just don't know.  Young people need to 
 be looked out after until they are olde enough to take care of 
 themselves.  If they don't want to meditate and won't, let them go to 
 Indian Skills Community College.  Push them out of the Tee-pee, that 
 will learn them.  They were lucky little shits and threw it all away. 
 Tough love.
 
 JGD,
 -D in FF

   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

 300 children.
 
 Is there anyone left inside MIU that could explain the spiritual facts of 
 life to these unruly children and those outsiders who agitate them?


Om, the University student.

Here, are the spiritual facts of life:
There is not time to waste.

Listen; 

Young people all, attention give
And hear what I shall say;
I wish your souls with meditation to live
In everlasting day.

Remember you are hast'ning on
To death's dark gloomy shade;
Your joys on earth will soon be gone,
Your flesh in dust be laid.

Death's iron gate you must pass through
Ere long , my dear young friends;
With whom do you think to go?
With saints, or non-meditating fiends?

Will you pursue your dangerous ways?
Pray meditate before too late
Behold, a light before the gate
Most lovingly it doth shine.


Young people all I pray then view
The fountain open wide,
The spring of life, opened for sin,
Which flows the transcendent side;
There you may drink in endless joy,
And reign with the unified field your king
In glad notes your souls employ,
And hallelujahs sing.


A beautiful meditation hymn and strong message
to the tune at:
http://shapenote.net/37b.htm






 
 
 Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
 going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate
 
 
 
 
  Our call to be meditators is something more than a casual circumstance.  I 
  feel its force and realize its holiness.  As a meditator in the sphere of 
  nature, I realize how enslaved we should have been to the fashions and life 
  that gratify the merely animal passions.  As a conservative meditator in 
  the spiritual family of Fairfield meditators, I am relieved from earthly 
  servitude, and am a free being; free to live and be as pure as the heavens, 
  with companions who are also pure.  
  
  I am happy in my call to an entire consecration of soul and body in 
  meditation, to a cause so noble; and though many rebel against the call of 
  meditation, I know that the discipline of a meditating life is of God and 
  that its principles in science can never fail, I have tasted the bread and 
  waters of a regenerated and eternal life in meditation, and to every 
  sincere seeker after truth, I send greeting, and welcome to share in 
  meditation, in Fairfield.
  
  Jai Adi Shankara,
  -Doug in FF
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
   Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
   going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate 
   by
   taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that 
   policy
   was dropped. A study was then conducted that determined that the student
   body consists of 

   . 30% entrepreneurs - career-oriented kids who mainly want to 
   learn
   skills and enter the workforce. TM and SCI aren't high priorities. 
   . 60% dreamers who want to change the world. They appreciate TM
   but don't see it as the lynchpin of that endeavor. They're into
   environmentalism and other causes.
   . 10% devotees

   The faculty are about 90% devotees, so their attempts to impose their 
   values
   on the students weren't working. The university is trying to translate 
   this
   assessment into practical steps to become more relevant and appealing to
   students.

   I wonder whether all this is related to Bevan Morris' recent withdrawal 
   from
   the board of trustees?
  
 


o 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

300 children.

Is there anyone left inside MIU that could explain the spiritual facts of life 
to these unruly children and those outsiders who agitate them?
Bring back Jerry Jarvis?


Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate




 Our call to be meditators is something more than a casual circumstance.  I 
 feel its force and realize its holiness.  As a meditator in the sphere of 
 nature, I realize how enslaved we should have been to the fashions and life 
 that gratify the merely animal passions.  As a conservative meditator in the 
 spiritual family of Fairfield meditators, I am relieved from earthly 
 servitude, and am a free being; free to live and be as pure as the heavens, 
 with companions who are also pure.  
 
 I am happy in my call to an entire consecration of soul and body in 
 meditation, to a cause so noble; and though many rebel against the call of 
 meditation, I know that the discipline of a meditating life is of God and 
 that its principles in science can never fail, I have tasted the bread and 
 waters of a regenerated and eternal life in meditation, and to every sincere 
 seeker after truth, I send greeting, and welcome to share in meditation, in 
 Fairfield.
 
 Jai Adi Shankara,
 -Doug in FF
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
  going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate by
  taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that policy
  was dropped. A study was then conducted that determined that the student
  body consists of 
   
  . 30% entrepreneurs - career-oriented kids who mainly want to learn
  skills and enter the workforce. TM and SCI aren't high priorities. 
  . 60% dreamers who want to change the world. They appreciate TM
  but don't see it as the lynchpin of that endeavor. They're into
  environmentalism and other causes.
  . 10% devotees
   
  The faculty are about 90% devotees, so their attempts to impose their values
  on the students weren't working. The university is trying to translate this
  assessment into practical steps to become more relevant and appealing to
  students.
   
  I wonder whether all this is related to Bevan Morris' recent withdrawal from
  the board of trustees?
 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:25 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments
 
  
300 children.

Is there anyone left inside MIU that could explain the spiritual facts of
life to these unruly children and those outsiders who agitate them?
Bring back Jerry Jarvis?
He's back. He'll be giving a lecture at the Santa Monica library sometime
soon.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

  The university is trying to translate this
  assessment into practical steps to become more relevant and appealing to
  students.
   
  I wonder whether all this is related to Bevan Morris' recent withdrawal 
  from
  the board of trustees?
 
 
 If history has anything to say about it, their survival is going to be about 
 their job of distinguishing guideline from teaching.  What can change with 
 time and what is immutable in the knowledge.   Blue jeans are one thing and 
 not meditating a MIU is another.  That has been Bevan's an MMY downfall in 
 the past.  Was probably time to move Bevan over if only to move forward and 
 survive.


Mainstream's Critique fits well with histories of spiritual revival too. Also 
very much about that organizational discernment of doctrinalism as it rises out 
of facilitating spiritual experience.  After the death of founders and founding 
generations it (shakti as it may inform discernment) often goes dead inside 
stale doctrine and administrative guidelines of the work remaining just to keep 
up appearances that the org is alive and pure.  Guidelines of carrying on take 
over for the knowledge of original spiritual experience in the work of 
followers-on. Of just even securing the encomberances of the remaining 
apparati.  That switch of spiritual movement which comes from simply 
facilitating the live experience of spiritual practice to just facilitating the 
facilities. Seems often is a killer of sustained spiritual revival.

The loss of shakti

When an institution formerly based on Subjective Inner Experience has
long-since abandoned its uniqueness through diversifying its product line by
creating excessively high-profit-margin products marketed to every field of the
Objective Outer world, -The Mainstream Critique

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... 
wrote:
 
 
 When an institution  formerly  based on Subjective Inner Experience has  
 long-since abandoned its uniqueness through  diversifying its product line by 
 creating excessively high-profit-margin products marketed to every field of  
 the Objective Outer world,  are you surprised that the idealistic young might 
 poke a stick into the eye of said institution ?



That is really good.  Essential, succinct and comprehensive the problem.





 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote:
 
   (snip)
Seeking benefits is stupid.
Meditate and enjoy, that is Maharishi's advice.
   
   No need to seek, but it's good to be aware.
  
  When one become aware, that the 'Outside World' is delusionary, then one 
  becomes a 'Seeker of the Spiritual Realm'...
  Until that happens, one will be 'Looking for Results'...in the 'Material 
  World'...
  
  It is obvious that the students, which inhabit the campus, have nothing to 
  do with the 'Original M.I.U.
  
  M.I.U. was started by a group of 'Spiritual Seekers' who in coordination 
  with Maharishi, decided to start a school, which would integerate the 
  knowledge of the 'West' with the Vedic knowledge of the 'East', with 'Like 
  Minded People'...gathered together...
  
  This generation, has been so brain-washed by the 'International Corporate 
  Take-over'...
  That it is hard for them, to imagine, anything, not related to the 
  'Corporate Material World of Illusion'...
  
  These students have a different intention, than the original 
  students...that of spiritual seekers...
  These students are seeking the kind of material success that can be found 
  at any various schools throughout the country...
  They are wasting time and resources, being in Fairfield, and should be 
  expelled immediately...
  
  Don't expect Bevan Morris to come to the rescue, anytime soon, or later, 
  either...
  He sucked all the energy from Maharishi, that he could, and chased away any 
  fun, and free-spiritedness, that would have kept the 'Movement of Seeking' 
  alive...
  
  Bevan contributed to the death of this college, and now that his work is 
  done, he is off, who knows where?
  
  R.J.G.
 
 
 
 When an institution  formerly  based on Subjective Inner Experience has  
 long-since abandoned its uniqueness through  diversifying its product line by 
 creating excessively high-profit-margin products marketed to every field of  
 the Objective Outer world,  are you surprised that the idealistic young might 
 poke a stick into the eye of said institution ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Robert]

 (snip)
  Seeking benefits is stupid.
  Meditate and enjoy, that is Maharishi's advice.
 
 No need to seek, but it's good to be aware.

When one become aware, that the 'Outside World' is delusionary, then one 
becomes a 'Seeker of the Spiritual Realm'...
Until that happens, one will be 'Looking for Results'...in the 'Material 
World'...

It is obvious that the students, which inhabit the campus, have nothing to do 
with the 'Original M.I.U.

M.I.U. was started by a group of 'Spiritual Seekers' who in coordination with 
Maharishi, decided to start a school, which would integerate the knowledge of 
the 'West' with the Vedic knowledge of the 'East', with 'Like Minded 
People'...gathered together...

This generation, has been so brain-washed by the 'International Corporate 
Take-over'...
That it is hard for them, to imagine, anything, not related to the 'Corporate 
Material World of Illusion'...

These students have a different intention, than the original students...that of 
spiritual seekers...
These students are seeking the kind of material success that can be found at 
any various schools throughout the country...
They are wasting time and resources, being in Fairfield, and should be expelled 
immediately...

Don't expect Bevan Morris to come to the rescue, anytime soon, or later, 
either...
He sucked all the energy from Maharishi, that he could, and chased away any 
fun, and free-spiritedness, that would have kept the 'Movement of Seeking' 
alive...

Bevan contributed to the death of this college, and now that his work is done, 
he is off, who knows where?

R.J.G.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:

  (snip)
   Seeking benefits is stupid.
   Meditate and enjoy, that is Maharishi's advice.
  
  No need to seek, but it's good to be aware.
 
 When one become aware, that the 'Outside World' is delusionary, then one 
 becomes a 'Seeker of the Spiritual Realm'...
 Until that happens, one will be 'Looking for Results'...in the 'Material 
 World'...
 
 It is obvious that the students, which inhabit the campus, have nothing to do 
 with the 'Original M.I.U.
 
 M.I.U. was started by a group of 'Spiritual Seekers' who in coordination with 
 Maharishi, decided to start a school, which would integerate the knowledge of 
 the 'West' with the Vedic knowledge of the 'East', with 'Like Minded 
 People'...gathered together...
 
 This generation, has been so brain-washed by the 'International Corporate 
 Take-over'...
 That it is hard for them, to imagine, anything, not related to the 'Corporate 
 Material World of Illusion'...
 
 These students have a different intention, than the original students...that 
 of spiritual seekers...
 These students are seeking the kind of material success that can be found at 
 any various schools throughout the country...
 They are wasting time and resources, being in Fairfield, and should be 
 expelled immediately...
 
 Don't expect Bevan Morris to come to the rescue, anytime soon, or later, 
 either...
 He sucked all the energy from Maharishi, that he could, and chased away any 
 fun, and free-spiritedness, that would have kept the 'Movement of Seeking' 
 alive...
 
 Bevan contributed to the death of this college, and now that his work is 
 done, he is off, who knows where?
 
 R.J.G.



When an institution  formerly  based on Subjective Inner Experience has  
long-since abandoned its uniqueness through  diversifying its product line by 
creating excessively high-profit-margin products marketed to every field of  
the Objective Outer world,  are you surprised that the idealistic young might 
poke a stick into the eye of said institution ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... 
wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote:
 
   (snip)
Seeking benefits is stupid.
Meditate and enjoy, that is Maharishi's advice.
   
   No need to seek, but it's good to be aware.
  
  When one become aware, that the 'Outside World' is delusionary, then one 
  becomes a 'Seeker of the Spiritual Realm'...
  Until that happens, one will be 'Looking for Results'...in the 'Material 
  World'...
  
  It is obvious that the students, which inhabit the campus, have nothing to 
  do with the 'Original M.I.U.
  
  M.I.U. was started by a group of 'Spiritual Seekers' who in coordination 
  with Maharishi, decided to start a school, which would integerate the 
  knowledge of the 'West' with the Vedic knowledge of the 'East', with 'Like 
  Minded People'...gathered together...
  
  This generation, has been so brain-washed by the 'International Corporate 
  Take-over'...
  That it is hard for them, to imagine, anything, not related to the 
  'Corporate Material World of Illusion'...
  
  These students have a different intention, than the original 
  students...that of spiritual seekers...
  These students are seeking the kind of material success that can be found 
  at any various schools throughout the country...
  They are wasting time and resources, being in Fairfield, and should be 
  expelled immediately...
  
  Don't expect Bevan Morris to come to the rescue, anytime soon, or later, 
  either...
  He sucked all the energy from Maharishi, that he could, and chased away any 
  fun, and free-spiritedness, that would have kept the 'Movement of Seeking' 
  alive...
  
  Bevan contributed to the death of this college, and now that his work is 
  done, he is off, who knows where?
  
  R.J.G.
 
 
 
 When an institution  formerly  based on Subjective Inner Experience has  
 long-since abandoned its uniqueness through  diversifying its product line by 
 creating excessively high-profit-margin products marketed to every field of  
 the Objective Outer world,  are you surprised that the idealistic young might 
 poke a stick into the eye of said institution ?

B-6 Bingo!  Bingo!  Bingo!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

These university students, these children in rebellion.   How prepared 
spiritually were they before they enrolled.  Were they meditators for any 
length of time before they began their studies at the school?  


Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all going 
to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate 

They seem to know not.



 These children,
 What kind of students are they anyway?
 I understand now that they cowed, rebelled and 
 whined when assigned only a 5 page paper 
 To write in the sustainability program.
 We can't (won't) do that!  like spoiled children,
 no discipline.
 
 Won't meditate, at MIU?
 
 Time to cull the herd when you get that.  Bad cows 
 Let the other cows out.  Take the bad ones to the sale-barn
 And let them go on to school somewhere else.  Don't let the
 Spirituality of the program and the good students get drug down 
 by some bad character
 In the herd.  Is part of the natural evolution of the species. Raise them all 
 with a firm hand and Cull
 The bad ones. 
 
 
  
  
  Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM practice was 
  considered a course, just like any other. It was a required course. 
  Students saying they are being forced to meditate is absurd. It's like 
  students at another uni saying they are forced to take a course in the 
  humanities, or forced to take English composition, in order to graduate. 
  If you don't like the mandatory courses at a college, go somewhere else, 
  but don't whine about being forced to take them. 
  
  
   
   
   
Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to 
meditate by
taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that 
policy
was dropped. 
   
   
   Such children they are.  They just don't know.  Young people need to be 
   looked out after until they are olde enough to take care of themselves.  
   If they don't want to meditate and won't, let them go to Indian Skills 
   Community College.  Push them out of the Tee-pee, that will learn them.  
   They were lucky little shits and threw it all away. Tough love.
   
   JGD,
   -D in FF
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

 These university students, these children in rebellion.   How prepared 
 spiritually were they before they enrolled.  Were they meditators for any 
 length of time before they began their studies at the school?  
 
 
 Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all 
 going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate 
 
 They seem to know not.
 
 

300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all going to drop out if 
the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate.

These children.

No one can seriously enter this knowledge bound and shackled in swaddling 
clothes. They can be attracted by aspects and seek access through them, but, 
unless experienced into transcendental spirituality in the very essence of this 
knowledge in all its phases, then it will be but an attempt, a fruitless 
expenditure of time and talent.  Like, pearls before swine.

It is recognized by those who know in experience that the prepared, spiritually 
unfolded are the only ones to whom this higher level of university knowledge is 
of permanent use.


 
  These children,
  What kind of students are they anyway?
  I understand now that they cowed, rebelled and 
  whined when assigned only a 5 page paper 
  To write in the sustainability program.
  We can't (won't) do that!  like spoiled children,
  no discipline.
  
  Won't meditate, at MIU?
  
  Time to cull the herd when you get that.  Bad cows 
  Let the other cows out.  Take the bad ones to the sale-barn
  And let them go on to school somewhere else.  Don't let the
  Spirituality of the program and the good students get drug down 
  by some bad character
  In the herd.  Is part of the natural evolution of the species. Raise them 
  all with a firm hand and Cull
  The bad ones. 
  
  
   
   
   Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM practice was 
   considered a course, just like any other. It was a required course. 
   Students saying they are being forced to meditate is absurd. It's like 
   students at another uni saying they are forced to take a course in the 
   humanities, or forced to take English composition, in order to 
   graduate. If you don't like the mandatory courses at a college, go 
   somewhere else, but don't whine about being forced to take them. 
   
   



 Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were 
 all
 going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to 
 meditate by
 taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that 
 policy
 was dropped. 


Such children they are.  They just don't know.  Young people need to be 
looked out after until they are olde enough to take care of themselves. 
 If they don't want to meditate and won't, let them go to Indian Skills 
Community College.  Push them out of the Tee-pee, that will learn them. 
 They were lucky little shits and threw it all away. Tough love.

JGD,
-D in FF
   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

 The university is trying to translate this
 assessment into practical steps to become more relevant and appealing to
 students.
  
 I wonder whether all this is related to Bevan Morris' recent withdrawal from
 the board of trustees?


If history has anything to say about it, their survival is going to be about 
their job of distinguishing guideline from teaching.  What can change with time 
and what is immutable in the knowledge.   Blue jeans are one thing and not 
meditating a MIU is another.  That has been Bevan's an MMY downfall in the 
past.  Was probably time to move Bevan over if only to move forward and survive.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

These children,
What kind of students are they anyway?
I understand now that they cowed, rebelled and 
whined when assigned only a 5 page paper 
To write in the sustainability program.
We can't (won't) do that!  like spoiled children,
no discipline.

Won't meditate, at MIU?

Time to cull the herd when you get that.  Bad cows 
Let the other cows out.  Take the bad ones to the sale-barn
And let them go on to school somewhere else.  Don't let the
Spirituality of the program and the good students get drug down 
by some bad character
In the herd.  Is part of the natural evolution of the species. Raise them all 
with a firm hand and Cull
The bad ones. 


 
 
 Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM practice was 
 considered a course, just like any other. It was a required course. Students 
 saying they are being forced to meditate is absurd. It's like students at 
 another uni saying they are forced to take a course in the humanities, or 
 forced to take English composition, in order to graduate. If you don't like 
 the mandatory courses at a college, go somewhere else, but don't whine about 
 being forced to take them. 
 
 
  
  
  
   Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
   going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate 
   by
   taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that 
   policy
   was dropped. 
  
  
  Such children they are.  They just don't know.  Young people need to be 
  looked out after until they are olde enough to take care of themselves.  If 
  they don't want to meditate and won't, let them go to Indian Skills 
  Community College.  Push them out of the Tee-pee, that will learn them.  
  They were lucky little shits and threw it all away. Tough love.
  
  JGD,
  -D in FF
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Vaj]

On Oct 12, 2009, at 9:56 PM, off_world_beings wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:


 On Oct 12, 2009, at 8:07 PM, yifuxero wrote:

  The bottom line is that we can (a) transcend changes, or (b) make
  changes.
  The evidence for the making changes part simply isn't there!
  I therefore agree with the other contributor. The connections are
  tenuous.
  There could actually be a negative payoff, in certain  
circumstances;

  although by no means approaching the levels suggested by Vaj.
  Usually, people just quit since they haven't seen any results.


 I would beg to differ--I'd actually propose mental worship and/or
 meditation on an ishta-devata (e.g simple mental mantra recitation)
 can bring and is believed to bring relative benefits. YMMV. The
 question is: when someone isn't aware that the relative benefit is
 essentially a boon from a inner goddess radiating her effects via
 your nervous system onto your connection with the outer world; when
 that inner level of intention is missing through deception, does it
 work or does it work as well (as if you knew you were reciting,  
say, a

 mantra to the goddess of wisdom and inspired speech)? Or can the
 deception block that relative effect?

 IME teachers who simply ask their students what are you looking  
for,
 or what do you want in life and then give a mantra for that  
benefit,

 at least the student has some involvement at the level of intention.
 They are aligned with the benefit. If the student is left in the  
dark,

 that specific intention is left as an ambiguity.


Seeking benefits is stupid.
Meditate and enjoy, that is Maharishi's advice.


No need to seek, but it's good to be aware.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote:

 OTOH, I recommend chanting various mantras such as the Gayatri,
 Om Mani Padme Hum, or any other legitimate mantras, to get things
 moving in the relative sphere of existence.

For one year, I chanted the Mrutyunjaya Mantra as Karunamayi had instructed 
during her first visit to Fairfield. I like the sound quality of it, but to be 
honest, I didn't feel any effect from it. After her second visit, on my own 
initiative, I started chanting the Gayatri Mantra, and after that my focus 
shifted more toward the spiritual and away from negative things that weren't 
serving me well. The shift was slow at first, but it eventually snowballed into 
the past five years of total transformation.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[jpgillam]

Amen, brother Doug! Ah FEEL the power!

Seriously, you've been very forceful in 
your expressions lately. I have tasted 
the bread and waters of a regenerated and 
eternal life in meditation. Powerful stuff.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 Our call to be meditators is something more than a casual circumstance.  I 
 feel its force and realize its holiness.  As a meditator in the sphere of 
 nature, I realize how enslaved we should have been to the fashions and life 
 that gratify the merely animal passions.  As a conservative meditator in the 
 spiritual family of Fairfield meditators, I am relieved from earthly 
 servitude, and am a free being; free to live and be as pure as the heavens, 
 with companions who are also pure.  
 
 I am happy in my call to an entire consecration of soul and body in 
 meditation, to a cause so noble; and though many rebel against the call of 
 meditation, I know that the discipline of a meditating life is of God and 
 that its principles in science can never fail, I have tasted the bread and 
 waters of a regenerated and eternal life in meditation, and to every sincere 
 seeker after truth, I send greeting, and welcome to share in meditation, in 
 Fairfield.
 
 Jai Adi Shankara,
 -Doug in FF

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[jpgillam]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Oct 12, 2009, at 7:44 PM, jpgillam wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
   On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:01 PM, jpgillam wrote:
   
I immersed myself in the TM organization because
I wanted to make things happen in my life and the
world, and I embraced Maharishi's selling point
that transcending influences relative life. Is the
connection between transcending and success really
so tenuous that the dreamers and entrepreneurs are
not sold on its value?
  
   Are you honestly just realizing this now?
 
  Forgive me; realizing what? That the connection
  between transcending and success is indeed tenuous?
  Or that the MUM faculty have done a poor job of
  communicating that connection? Or of making that
  connection? Please clarify.
 
 
 Are you just realizing that MUM is no 
 longer a TM school, teaching TM  
 ideals to people who are actually 
 interested in TM, SCI or Vedism?

No, Steve, I have realized no such thing. 

I actually believe the school's stated 
position, that it offers consciousness-
based education. 

My complaint above is that the school has 
not been able to show students that it's 
to their advantage to meditate and cultivate 
self-referential consciousness, because doing 
so would promote their goals for success in 
life and an improved world, the two goals 
that they survey cited earlier found prevalent 
among MUM students.



From http://www.mum.edu/cbe.html/:

All knowledge emerges from consciousness — and in essence you are 
consciousness. At MUM, Consciousness-Based education connects everything you 
learn to the underlying wholeness of life. So each class becomes relevant, 
because the knowledge of that subject is connected with your own inner 
intelligence.

Through the Consciousness-Based approach of MUM, you also see how each field 
of study can be practically applied towards solving the world's problems — and 
you gain the tools to create a positive change in the world.

This system of education includes the daily practice of a simple natural 
procedure — the Transcendental Meditation technique — by all our students and 
faculty.  Extensive published research has found that this technique boosts 
learning ability and creativity, improves brain functioning, and reduces 
stress.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[jpgillam]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero wrote:
 
  OTOH, I recommend chanting various 
  mantras such as the Gayatri,
  Om Mani Padme Hum, or any other 
  legitimate mantras, to get things
  moving in the relative sphere of existence.
 
 For one year, I chanted the Mrutyunjaya Mantra 
 as Karunamayi had instructed during her first 
 visit to Fairfield. I like the sound quality 
 of it, but to be honest, I didn't feel any 
 effect from it. After her second visit, on 
 my own initiative, I started chanting the 
 Gayatri Mantra, and after that my focus shifted 
 more toward the spiritual and away from negative 
 things that weren't serving me well. The shift 
 was slow at first, but it eventually snowballed 
 into the past five years of total transformation.

Interesting story. I've had a big transformation 
in the past five years also, but from knowledge, 
or so it seemed. I wonder if we're both influenced 
by collective consciousness quite a bit, too.

Can you say what the mechanics of the Gayatri 
mantra might be?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero wrote:
  
   OTOH, I recommend chanting various 
   mantras such as the Gayatri,
   Om Mani Padme Hum, or any other 
   legitimate mantras, to get things
   moving in the relative sphere of existence.
  
  For one year, I chanted the Mrutyunjaya Mantra 
  as Karunamayi had instructed during her first 
  visit to Fairfield. I like the sound quality 
  of it, but to be honest, I didn't feel any 
  effect from it. After her second visit, on 
  my own initiative, I started chanting the 
  Gayatri Mantra, and after that my focus shifted 
  more toward the spiritual and away from negative 
  things that weren't serving me well. The shift 
  was slow at first, but it eventually snowballed 
  into the past five years of total transformation.
 
 Interesting story. I've had a big transformation 
 in the past five years also, but from knowledge, 
 or so it seemed. I wonder if we're both influenced 
 by collective consciousness quite a bit, too.
 
 Can you say what the mechanics of the Gayatri 
 mantra might be?

It wasn't until after I'd started shifting that I even looked up the meaning of 
the Gayatri, and what I found makes sense to me: May the Almighty God 
illuminate our intellect to lead us along the righteous path. Basically, the 
Gayatri moved me in a more intelligent direction. It was like tapping into a 
higher intelligence for the betterment of my relative existence.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[WillyTex]

yifuxero wrote:
 I've been chanting mantras (japa - outloud or silently
 but separate from TM); since 1972 when I got my GOHONZON
 at a Buddhist Temple...

The Gohonzon isn't really a 'mantra', it's a phrase from
the Lotus Sutra, usually chanted in Japanese, used by the 
Nichren sect which was founded in Japan by Nichren. 

But you get bija 'mantras' from the Japanese Tendai sect, 
the esoteric tradition that was imported into Japan from
China by Saicho. 

Apparently Nichren didn't ascribe to the tantric Esoteric 
School practices that originated in India. From what I've
read, the Lotus Sutra originated in China. 

snip

 My advice: Do NOT separate (conceptually, or in any other 
 way), Spiritual from material: one type of desire vs 
 another. Desires are desires, whether for Wisdom or $$.

Zen Master Dogen described the enlightened state and the 
path to it as a 'Gateless gate. Shakya the Muni described 
Eightfold Path as a 'boat' a large boat that can take anyone 
to the 'other shore'. 

However, once you get to the other shore, you'll find that 
there's really no other shore at all, and no 'going' to 
get there!  

That said, it would be a mistake, having reached that other 
shore, to walk around saying: I like this boat, even though 
I'm on the other shore - I think I'll just carry this boat 
around on my head! 

Read more:

A mantra is a quasi-morpheme or a series of quasi-morphemes, 
or a series of mixed genuine and quasi-morphemes arranged 
in conventional patterns, based on codified esoteric 
traditions, and passed on from one preceptor to one disciple 
in the course of a prescribed initiation ritual... 

From: Willytex
Subject: Mantra as a quasi-morpheme
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, 
talk.religion.buddhism, 
alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan
Date: January 10, 2006
http://tinyurl.com/yg5k5k5

Even the humblest of fakirs on the streets of Rishikesh or 
Old Delhi will attest to the purpose and uses of mantra, and 
even he will admit that the actual purpose of mantra should 
be for identification... 

From: Willytex
Subject: Mantra v. 13.1
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: October 17, 2005
http://tinyurl.com/yzarrky

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[WillyTex]

jpgillam wrote:
 Can you say what the mechanics of the Gayatri 
 mantra might be?

The Gayatri mantra is mentionioned numerous times 
in Rig Veda: 

Om bhur bhuvah svaha. Om tat savitur varenyam 
bhargo devasya dhimahi. Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat.

Rig Veda III.62.10

Translation:

Om is that Absolute. Just so. Om! We meditate on 
That most radient light of the Sun god, who sustains 
the Earth, the Innerspace and the Heavens. May the 
Sun god activate our thoughts.

Om - the maha bija mantra of Rig Veda.
tat - that, i.e. Brahman the Absolute.
bhur - mystical name of the other world.
bhuva - v. vyahrti, i.e. utterance.
svaha - the terminal constant in all Hindu and 
Buddhist ritual.
savitur - the animator, sustainer of life, i.e. 
Vishnu-Buddh.

Purport:

As it is written. By drinking the sacred Soma, men 
and women discovered the Gods, and thus became 
humbled and quite reflective. Through meditation 
on a non-ideational mnemonic device, namely the 
bija mantra Om, personified as the radiating sun, 
humans are able to attain the transcendent, which 
enters into mental cognition, and enlivens the 
thinking process, producing spontaneous right 
action. Just so. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[jpgillam]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... 
wrote:

 Basically, the Gayatri moved me in a 
 more intelligent direction. It was like 
 tapping into a higher intelligence for 
 the betterment of my relative existence.

Tapping into higher intelligence for the 
betterment of relative existence pretty 
much sums up what any spiritual pursuit 
should do, seems to me. Congratulations on 
finding something that really clicked. 

If you don't mind my asking, what do you see 
as the relationship between your TM time 
and this recent transformation? Like, was/is 
the TM preparing the ground? Wheel spinning? 

Thanks.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Vaj]

On Oct 12, 2009, at 10:17 PM, yifuxero wrote:

o bring up an example: I've been chanting mantras (japa - outloud or  
silently but separate from TM); since 1972 when I got my GOHONZON at  
a Buddhist Temple in Etiwanda, CA. With TM, relative benefits are  
supposedly a byproduct (although unpredictable) of a more relaxed  
nervous system. There's only a tenuous connection between  
transcendence and activity since one can attribute relative  
changes to the relaxation.

Possibly, one might transcend and start reading books on Advaita.


Calm states or transcending are not unusual with mantra recitation IME.

OTOH, people in the Nichiren School - like myself - don't separate  
Spiritual from material, since the Founder - Nichiren, made no such  
distinction and in fact spent a lifetime criticizing orthodox  
Buddhism for that very reason: Orthodox Buddhism creates a monkish  
lifestyle while retreating from activity (and I might add - begging  
for alms).


This is a common misunderstanding. There are red sanghas (monks) and  
their are white sanghas (married). I don't know that one is superior  
to the other, although different cultures may view that differently,  
often out of sentimentality.


MMY has addressed the question of householder vs monk orientations  
but imo failed to come up with the goods. Back to you Vaj. What are  
you quibbling about now? I forgot. You'll find something to nitpick  
about.


Re-read the post.

Anyway, I'm making the following assertions: a. transcendence has  
unproven/demonstrated value in relation to the multitude of claims  
made by the TMO; but b. one can point to restful alertness as a  
valuable state of body-mind, IRRESPECTIVE of which technique induces  
the state. Thus, fewer ulcers, etc; clearer thinking...but
c. In regard to making correct (Dharmic); productive actions, silent  
meditation if done in excess might be counterproductive - thus, BN:  
Bliss Ninnies or those who might borrow $$ to attend Mother Divine  
Courses.


OK...

My solution since 1972 has been to chant various mantras of Hindu  
and Buddhist origin; but I make no distinction between the WISDOM  
purpose and other purposes for chanting.


Well, presumably they're different beings. A distinction worth  
understanding.


Indeed, if you google the Green Tara, you will find a long shopping  
list of Green Tara practice benefits, all intermingled, with no  
distinguishing the Wisdom aspect from the material benefits.
The person making such a false dichotomy is you, Vaj, since your  
Guru Norbu does it! (makes such a distinction). He's obviously not a  
devotee of the Green Tara. For example: Among the 21 Tara mantras,  
#11 addresses and counteracts the vil caused by robbers. #14 averts  
evil affecting cattle, #16 that of poison, and so on. But #7 is the  
Tara who increases Wisdom.


I've not heard of this alleged, false dichotomy you mention. But since  
his previous incarnation left a terma relating to various Taras, it  
doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about.


Thus, certain Buddhist schools such as Nichiren's make no  
distinction between various types of desires: material vs Spiritual.
Neo-Advaitins typically make a distinction and attempt to capitalize  
on the supposed difference.
Andrew Cohen is an odd character. He and his friend Ken Wilber tout  
evolutionary Consciousness and then beg for money. One of his  
followers called me at work. I basically told her to get lost and  
said that her Guru was a hypocrite.
I therefore respectfully disagree with any Guru who makes the Wisdom  
vs material dichotomy; and give credit where it's due: to MMY for at  
least ATTEMPTING to fuse the two. Unfortunately his (TMO) claims for  
material benefits have not panned out -whether the supposed results  
be due to relaxation or transcendence or Yagyas.


Never heard of the union of wisdom and method or the inseparability of  
the three bodies (kayas)? You really don't seem familiar with  
vajrayana/mantrayana but you claim to practice it. Odd.


Generally the reason a distinction is made between the kayas or  
various unified-pairs is because either paradox is not generally  
comprehended by those without recognition of the nondual View, i.e.  
the type of audience to which such speech would typically be addressed  
and linear speech is the best way to convey it relatively (i.e. we're  
limited by certain relative constraints with dualistic speech).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[j_alexander_stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 
 wrote:
 
  Basically, the Gayatri moved me in a 
  more intelligent direction. It was like 
  tapping into a higher intelligence for 
  the betterment of my relative existence.
 
 Tapping into higher intelligence for the 
 betterment of relative existence pretty 
 much sums up what any spiritual pursuit 
 should do, seems to me. Congratulations on 
 finding something that really clicked. 
 
 If you don't mind my asking, what do you see 
 as the relationship between your TM time 
 and this recent transformation? Like, was/is 
 the TM preparing the ground? Wheel spinning? 

I was initiated in 1974, at age 13, and I only meditated for about six months. 
I can't really place a value on that six months of meditating. But, eight years 
later, I was wound up tighter than a clock spring inside, and starting TM again 
and moving to Fairfield really relaxed the worst of that. Although I did reach 
the point where I'd practically crawl out of my skin if I tried to meditate, I 
still regard TM as having been an overall positive influence in my life. 
Ultimately, though, it was Waking Down and an amazing therapist that brought 
about a transformation so profound that I feel like I'm really living my life 
for the first time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[yifuxero]

http://www.wakingdown.org/teachers.asp

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley 
j_alexander_stan...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 
  wrote:
  
   Basically, the Gayatri moved me in a 
   more intelligent direction. It was like 
   tapping into a higher intelligence for 
   the betterment of my relative existence.
  
  Tapping into higher intelligence for the 
  betterment of relative existence pretty 
  much sums up what any spiritual pursuit 
  should do, seems to me. Congratulations on 
  finding something that really clicked. 
  
  If you don't mind my asking, what do you see 
  as the relationship between your TM time 
  and this recent transformation? Like, was/is 
  the TM preparing the ground? Wheel spinning? 
 
 I was initiated in 1974, at age 13, and I only meditated for about six 
 months. I can't really place a value on that six months of meditating. But, 
 eight years later, I was wound up tighter than a clock spring inside, and 
 starting TM again and moving to Fairfield really relaxed the worst of that. 
 Although I did reach the point where I'd practically crawl out of my skin if 
 I tried to meditate, I still regard TM as having been an overall positive 
 influence in my life. Ultimately, though, it was Waking Down and an amazing 
 therapist that brought about a transformation so profound that I feel like 
 I'm really living my life for the first time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[jpgillam]

Interesting. Thanks.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley 
j_alexander_stan...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 
  wrote:
  
   Basically, the Gayatri moved me in a 
   more intelligent direction. It was like 
   tapping into a higher intelligence for 
   the betterment of my relative existence.
  
  Tapping into higher intelligence for the 
  betterment of relative existence pretty 
  much sums up what any spiritual pursuit 
  should do, seems to me. Congratulations on 
  finding something that really clicked. 
  
  If you don't mind my asking, what do you see 
  as the relationship between your TM time 
  and this recent transformation? Like, was/is 
  the TM preparing the ground? Wheel spinning? 
 
 I was initiated in 1974, at age 13, and I only meditated for about six 
 months. I can't really place a value on that six months of meditating. But, 
 eight years later, I was wound up tighter than a clock spring inside, and 
 starting TM again and moving to Fairfield really relaxed the worst of that. 
 Although I did reach the point where I'd practically crawl out of my skin if 
 I tried to meditate, I still regard TM as having been an overall positive 
 influence in my life. Ultimately, though, it was Waking Down and an amazing 
 therapist that brought about a transformation so profound that I feel like 
 I'm really living my life for the first time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 fest...@... wrote:

 
 
 Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM practice was 
 considered a course, just like any other. It was a required course. Students 
 saying they are being forced to meditate is absurd. It's like students at 
 another uni saying they are forced to take a course in the humanities, or 
 forced to take English composition, in order to graduate. If you don't like 
 the mandatory courses at a college, go somewhere else, but don't whine about 
 being forced to take them. 
 

Thanks Feisty, as a conservative meditator I always really just knew we agreed 
on fundamentals.  Some these guys that are so quick to dump on TM and things 
meditator last week were liking, `bitch slapping'.  I hope you'll come along 
and welcome them sometime when they come out to visit us in Fairfield. 

With Best Regards.
JGD,
-Doug in FF




 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  
  
  
   Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
   going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate 
   by
   taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that 
   policy
   was dropped. 
  
  
  Such children they are.  They just don't know.  Young people need to be 
  looked out after until they are olde enough to take care of themselves.  If 
  they don't want to meditate and won't, let them go to Indian Skills 
  Community College.  Push them out of the Tee-pee, that will learn them.  
  They were lucky little shits and threw it all away. Tough love.
  
  JGD,
  -D in FF
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

 . 60% dreamers who want to change the world. They appreciate TM
 but don't see it as the lynchpin of that endeavor. They're into
 environmentalism and other causes.

Such children.
60% fricking dreamers.  They should wake up over in Ottumwa at Indian Skills 
Community College if they don't want to meditate.  If they aren't awake enough 
to understand what they have, get them out of the domes and out of town where 
they are just asleep dulling the spiritual practice for everyone else.  Damned 
yellowbellies. A dishonoring to themselves and their families, they don't 
deserve the opportunity of privilege to be with the truly disciplined spiritual 
student who are doing the school work of real life.  One bad apple rots the 
barrel so get them out of there for the good of everyone.  Don't be held 
hostage by a bunch of little non-meditation shits.  Stand with zero tolerance 
for non-meditation in consciousness-based education.  What is the point 
otherwise?

JGD, 
-Doug in FF


 
 
 Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM practice was 
 considered a course, just like any other. It was a required course. Students 
 saying they are being forced to meditate is absurd. It's like students at 
 another uni saying they are forced to take a course in the humanities, or 
 forced to take English composition, in order to graduate. If you don't like 
 the mandatory courses at a college, go somewhere else, but don't whine about 
 being forced to take them. 
 
 Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
 going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate by
 taking attendance at mandatory group meditations.


 
  
  
  
   Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
   going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate 
   by
   taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that 
   policy
   was dropped. 
  


  
  Such children they are.  They just don't know.  Young people need to be 
  looked out after until they are olde enough to take care of themselves.  If 
  they don't want to meditate and won't, let them go to Indian Skills 
  Community College.  Push them out of the Tee-pee, that will learn them.  
  They were lucky little shits and threw it all away. Tough love.
  
  JGD,
  -D in FF
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Vaj]

On Oct 11, 2009, at 11:22 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:

My first reaction to the fascinating post below is that ever since  
the advent of all the extras that the TMO sells and emphasizes  
these days -- schtapatyaveda, ayurveda, yagyas, sidhis, etc. etc.  
-- has, simply, watered down the core message of TM.


Bad rationale. I bet the students still get the same spiel they used  
to: boring SCI, and a required set of interdisciplinary courses  
filled with quantum nonsense that are simply transparent cult-crap to  
todays savvy students--even if they do try to censor the web from them.


They just don't fall for it like the glassy-eyed rounders of yesteryear.

Not only are people NOT starting TM in droves they way they did in  
the '70s but those that do start, such as the students described  
here, don't put much priority on it BECAUSE THE TMO DOESN'T EITHER.


Bullshit. TM is still the central core of their consciousness-based  
scam. In fact the sidhis don't even work (that is, if you believe  
they work at all) without TM.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

 Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
 going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate by
 taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that policy
 was dropped. 


Such children they are.  They just don't know.  Young people need to be looked 
out after until they are olde enough to take care of themselves.  If they don't 
want to meditate and won't, let them go to Indian Skills Community College.  
Push them out of the Tee-pee, that will learn them.  They were lucky little 
shits and threw it all away. Tough love.

JGD,
-D in FF

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:01 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments
 
  
I don't understand what or who mud people are.

Please elaborate.
It's a racial slur against dark-skinned people. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , It's just a ride
bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote:

 On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:22 PM, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote:
  My first reaction to the fascinating post below is that ever since the
advent of all the extras that the TMO sells and emphasizes these days --
schtapatyaveda, ayurveda, yagyas, sidhis, etc. etc. -- has, simply, watered
down the core message of TM.  Not only are people NOT starting TM in droves
they way they did in the '70s but those that do start, such as the students
described here, don't put much priority on it BECAUSE THE TMO DOESN'T
EITHER.  I mean, how can they when the message is watered down with all this
other stuff.  You can't say out of one side of your mouth that capturing the
fort with 20 minutes of TM is all you need to have access to the goldmines
that are in control of the fort and then, out of the other side of your
mouth, sell and promote all those goldmines as extras.  Something's gotta
give, and in this case it's TM.
 
 
 TM meditators were in the eyes of Maharishi lower than whale shit. I
 remember how low I was. Locked out of courses, couldn't see tapes,
 which tapes I can't understand why they need to be kept from the whale
 shit. Couldn't attend meetings, WPAs. It got down to a residence
 course a year offered at MIU if you were lucky. And the residence
 courses were offered for rising sidhas and as infomercials for the
 sidhis.
 
 So MUM can't have it both ways. There's no equation to factor
 meditators into the Dome numbers. The TMers don't count.
 Furthermore, when I go to the mens dorms, I don't see a single white
 face. Well, now there's one, an RA who's on IA. They are all mud
 people who came here because someone else was paying. These people
 don't give a shit for MUM, Fairfield, Iowa, the United States or TM.
 They came to get what they could because they couldn't join a pirate
 ship or score it big spending spam as a solicitor looking to smuggle
 money out of their countries.
 
 
 Arise, wretched of the earth
 Arise, convicts of hunger
 Reason thunders in its crater
 This is the eruption of the end
 Of the past let us wipe the slate clean
 Enslaved masses, arise, arise
 The world is about to change its foundation
 We are nothing, let us be all
 This is the final struggle
 Let us group together, and tomorrow The Internationale
 Will be the human race.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[feste37]

Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM practice was considered 
a course, just like any other. It was a required course. Students saying they 
are being forced to meditate is absurd. It's like students at another uni 
saying they are forced to take a course in the humanities, or forced to 
take English composition, in order to graduate. If you don't like the mandatory 
courses at a college, go somewhere else, but don't whine about being forced 
to take them. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 
 
 
  Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
  going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate by
  taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that policy
  was dropped. 
 
 
 Such children they are.  They just don't know.  Young people need to be 
 looked out after until they are olde enough to take care of themselves.  If 
 they don't want to meditate and won't, let them go to Indian Skills Community 
 College.  Push them out of the Tee-pee, that will learn them.  They were 
 lucky little shits and threw it all away. Tough love.
 
 JGD,
 -D in FF

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Vaj]

On Oct 12, 2009, at 9:08 AM, feste37 wrote:

Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM practice  
was considered a course, just like any other. It was a required  
course. Students saying they are being forced to meditate is  
absurd. It's like students at another uni saying they are forced  
to take a course in the humanities, or forced to take English  
composition, in order to graduate. If you don't like the mandatory  
courses at a college, go somewhere else, but don't whine about  
being forced to take them.



Man were you brainwashed!

They may pass TM off as a course, but a course isn't something you  
repeat en masse two times a day for the rest of your college years. A  
course is also something where you are taught the state of the art  
for a certain relative truth. It is not something where you are  
supposed to be deliberately deceived as to what's going down!  
Normally you take your course, pass it and you move on. At MIU/MUM if  
you do not comply to daily trance induction, you're kicked out. As a  
mandatory element, daily, for years, it was a thought-reform exercise  
for those not into it (i.e. 90% on the current MUM student body).


For we know that the hypnotized never lie,
 Do ya?

-Pete Townsend
We Won't Get Fooled Again

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 fest...@... wrote:
 
 Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM
 practice was considered a course, just like any other.
 It was a required course. Students saying they are being
 forced to meditate is absurd. It's like students at
 another uni saying they are forced to take a course in
 the humanities, or forced to take English composition,
 in order to graduate. If you don't like the mandatory
 courses at a college, go somewhere else, but don't whine
 about being forced to take them.

Indeed.

MUM advertises its curriculum as consciousness-based
education in which all students practice TM twice
daily (according to the current Web site).

That's right up front and is presumably *why* someone
would go to MUM rather than someplace else. To
complain about this requirement after you get there
is absurd, as it is for MUM to cave on it.

(Plus which, obviously nobody can be forced to
meditate. They can be required to gather in a
group and sit with closed eyes for 20 minutes, but
not to meditate.)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
[quoting Rick]
   Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing
   that they were all going to drop out if the university
   didn't stop forcing them to meditate by taking
   attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved,
   and that policy was dropped.

I'd be interested to see the text of the petition.
Rick, can you get ahold of the petition and post it?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
  
  Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM
  practice was considered a course, just like any other.
  It was a required course. Students saying they are being
  forced to meditate is absurd. It's like students at
  another uni saying they are forced to take a course in
  the humanities, or forced to take English composition,
  in order to graduate. If you don't like the mandatory
  courses at a college, go somewhere else, but don't whine
  about being forced to take them.
 
 Indeed.
 
 MUM advertises its curriculum as consciousness-based
 education in which all students practice TM twice
 daily (according to the current Web site).
 
 That's right up front and is presumably *why* someone
 would go to MUM rather than someplace else. To
 complain about this requirement after you get there
 is absurd, as it is for MUM to cave on it.

It's right that you can't whine later about having
to meditate once you've agreed to a consciousness 
based education. Unless you aren't getting any of the
promised benefits of course.

But isn't all this a rather sad admission of the failure
of TM to create enlightened people and the coherent 
communities promised by MMY. If it's all failed let's
admit it and change the TM mythos to reflect how it 
*is* rather than try and promise students and the world 
some sort of mythical heaven on earth.

For instance, I'm sure they'd get more respect from the
scientific community if they kept it realistic and spoke
from the results of experiment rather than promising actual realisation of 
vedic beliefs like flying and creating world
peace. They'd get invited to more conferences for a start 
and the whole thing could be based on evidence rather than
Marshy's wild promises. It's hard to take it seriously when
it's so weird, I can't imagine what these kids think when
they turn up at MUM and find they have a king!



 (Plus which, obviously nobody can be forced to
 meditate. They can be required to gather in a
 group and sit with closed eyes for 20 minutes, but
 not to meditate.)
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ 
  wrote:
 [quoting Rick]
Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing
that they were all going to drop out if the university
didn't stop forcing them to meditate by taking
attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved,
and that policy was dropped.
 
 I'd be interested to see the text of the petition.
 Rick, can you get ahold of the petition and post it?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:


[snip]

 Man were you brainwashed!

[snip]

On a daily basis, Vajina, you insist on telling us how badly we TMers were 
brainwashed by the TMO.

Yes, I suppose the TMO has and continues still to brainwash and, yes, I suppose 
there are a certain contingent of TBers that will drink the kool-aid any chance 
they get.

But to paint the ENTIRE meditating population -- even those of us that went to 
MIU or were teachers -- is silly.  If we were brainwashed as much as you 
suggest we were, we'd all still be in the TMO...and certainly not posting on a 
rogue forum such as this.

Perhaps it was YOU who was brainwashed and you assume everyone else was like 
you? Why else would you keep insisting upon it...and to do it with such 
ferocity and so consistently for these many years -- nay, decades -- in itself 
suggests a kind of brainwashing, I suggest.

I think, Vajina, that you were a blind believer who was brainwashed yourself.  
But what you inadvertently reveal about yourself by your continual rants is 
that, if true, then you are as stupid as everyone else in the TMO.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
   
   Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM
   practice was considered a course, just like any other.
   It was a required course. Students saying they are being
   forced to meditate is absurd. It's like students at
   another uni saying they are forced to take a course in
   the humanities, or forced to take English composition,
   in order to graduate. If you don't like the mandatory
   courses at a college, go somewhere else, but don't whine
   about being forced to take them.
  
  Indeed.
  
  MUM advertises its curriculum as consciousness-based
  education in which all students practice TM twice
  daily (according to the current Web site).
  
  That's right up front and is presumably *why* someone
  would go to MUM rather than someplace else. To
  complain about this requirement after you get there
  is absurd, as it is for MUM to cave on it.
 
 It's right that you can't whine later about having
 to meditate once you've agreed to a consciousness 
 based education. Unless you aren't getting any of the
 promised benefits of course.

In which case you should probably just leave. To demand
to be allowed to stay without having to follow the
requirements doesn't make sense.

 But isn't all this a rather sad admission of the failure
 of TM to create enlightened people and the coherent 
 communities promised by MMY.

Dunno. I'm very dubious that we have the whole story
about this petition business.

The only way it would make sense to me is if the
students were resisting having to be in a specific
place at a specific time to meditate and were
demanding that they be trusted to do their meditation
when and where it was convenient for them.

I'm not particularly concerned about the failure of
coherent communities as defined by MMY. He had some
very weird notions along those lines. If what it means
to be part of the MUM community is becoming more
flexible, that's swell, and by no means necessarily a
failure--quite possibly the opposite.

But if students aren't getting anything from doing
TM, that's a different story. One has to wonder why
the current crop would not be benefiting when so many
previous ones did.

 If it's all failed let's
 admit it and change the TM mythos to reflect how it 
 *is* rather than try and promise students and the world 
 some sort of mythical heaven on earth.
 
 For instance, I'm sure they'd get more respect from the
 scientific community if they kept it realistic and spoke
 from the results of experiment rather than promising actual
 realisation of vedic beliefs like flying and creating world
 peace. They'd get invited to more conferences for a start 
 and the whole thing could be based on evidence rather than
 Marshy's wild promises. It's hard to take it seriously when
 it's so weird, I can't imagine what these kids think when
 they turn up at MUM and find they have a king!

I doubt having a king affects them a whole lot.

But I agree that toning down the weirdness quotient would
be a big step in the right direction.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[It's just a ride]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrot



   *From:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *ShempMcGurk
 *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2009 12:01 AM
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments




 **

 I don't understand what or who mud people are.

 Please elaborate.

 It's a racial slur against dark-skinned people.


Wrong.  It's part of the beliefs of a Christian sect.  The sect follows the
Christian Identity Beliefs, vis
http://www.rickross.com/reference/christian_identity/christianidentity10.html

or

  http://tinyurl.com/3ybxd .  Rick is getting racism confused with religious
beliefs, which beliefs are protected by the Bill of Rights of the US
Constitution.**

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

 
  Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM practice  
  was considered a course, just like any other. It was a required  
  course. Students saying they are being forced to meditate is  
  absurd. It's like students at another uni saying they are forced  
  to take a course in the humanities, or forced to take English  
  composition, in order to graduate. If you don't like the mandatory  
  courses at a college, go somewhere else, but don't whine about  
  being forced to take them.
 
 
 Man were you brainwashed!
 

No,simply not true or honest.  We know our experience with it thank you.  
You're presuming a lot.  Is too large a statement to make.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Vaj]

On Oct 12, 2009, at 11:09 AM, ShempMcGurk wrote:




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

[snip]

 Man were you brainwashed!

[snip]

On a daily basis, Vajina, you insist on telling us how badly we  
TMers were brainwashed by the TMO.



I have only occasionally made this remark, and it is not one I like  
to make. I do not make it every day. You're exaggerating.


Yes, I suppose the TMO has and continues still to brainwash and,  
yes, I suppose there are a certain contingent of TBers that will  
drink the kool-aid any chance they get.


But to paint the ENTIRE meditating population -- even those of us  
that went to MIU or were teachers -- is silly. If we were  
brainwashed as much as you suggest we were, we'd all still be in  
the TMO...and certainly not posting on a rogue forum such as this.




I don't consider involvement in the TMO a prerequisite for being  
thought reformed or brainwashed. In fact, it seems like the majority  
of the brainwashed people here do not have an involvement in the TMO.  
So clearly, your assumption seems false, to me.


Perhaps it was YOU who was brainwashed and you assume everyone else  
was like you? Why else would you keep insisting upon it...and to do  
it with such ferocity and so consistently for these many years --  
nay, decades -- in itself suggests a kind of brainwashing, I suggest.




I am responding to the topics as they arise. It probably would be a  
good idea to find a more scientifically based term than brainwashed.  
Let me think about it a little more. Thanks.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
   
   Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM
   practice was considered a course, just like any other.
   It was a required course. Students saying they are being
   forced to meditate is absurd. It's like students at
   another uni saying they are forced to take a course in
   the humanities, or forced to take English composition,
   in order to graduate. If you don't like the mandatory
   courses at a college, go somewhere else, but don't whine
   about being forced to take them.
  
  Indeed.
  
  MUM advertises its curriculum as consciousness-based
  education in which all students practice TM twice
  daily (according to the current Web site).
  
  That's right up front and is presumably *why* someone
  would go to MUM rather than someplace else. To
  complain about this requirement after you get there
  is absurd, as it is for MUM to cave on it.
 



It's the same situation one faces at a religion-run school. If you sign up with 
the place, you are expected to follow THEIR rules of personal behavior and 
practices - even if those rules are nuts. 

YOU were the nut in the first place who agreed to their nutty requirements.

When I went to BYU, for example, I was required to take religion classes even 
though I wasn't a Mormon. So I took the classes. I was also expected to follow 
THEIR religious standards of behavior on 'and' off campus. 

At around 8 every morning they'd play the National Anthem on a speaker system 
that blasted over the whole multi-acre campus. Everyone stopped in their tracks 
and put their hands over their hearts. It made me think of the same kind of 
robotic political nationalism I'd seen in films of Nazi Germany.

Two semesters of attending that [what I perceived to be] fascist religious 
institution, was all I could stomach. At the first opportunity, I transferred 
to the U of Utah.



 It's right that you can't whine later about having
 to meditate once you've agreed to a consciousness 
 based education. Unless you aren't getting any of the
 promised benefits of course.
 
 But isn't all this a rather sad admission of the failure
 of TM to create enlightened people and the coherent 
 communities promised by MMY. If it's all failed let's
 admit it and change the TM mythos to reflect how it 
 *is* rather than try and promise students and the world 
 some sort of mythical heaven on earth.
 
 For instance, I'm sure they'd get more respect from the
 scientific community if they kept it realistic and spoke
 from the results of experiment rather than promising actual realisation of 
 vedic beliefs like flying and creating world
 peace. They'd get invited to more conferences for a start 
 and the whole thing could be based on evidence rather than
 Marshy's wild promises. It's hard to take it seriously when
 it's so weird, I can't imagine what these kids think when
 they turn up at MUM and find they have a king!
 
 
 
  (Plus which, obviously nobody can be forced to
  meditate. They can be required to gather in a
  group and sit with closed eyes for 20 minutes, but
  not to meditate.)
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ 
   wrote:
  [quoting Rick]
 Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing
 that they were all going to drop out if the university
 didn't stop forcing them to meditate by taking
 attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved,
 and that policy was dropped.
  
  I'd be interested to see the text of the petition.
  Rick, can you get ahold of the petition and post it?
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
   MUM advertises its curriculum as consciousness-based
   education in which all students practice TM twice
   daily (according to the current Web site).
   
   That's right up front and is presumably *why* someone
   would go to MUM rather than someplace else. To
   complain about this requirement after you get there
   is absurd, as it is for MUM to cave on it.
 
 It's the same situation one faces at a religion-run
 school. If you sign up with the place, you are expected
 to follow THEIR rules of personal behavior and practices -
 even if those rules are nuts.

It's the same situation one faces at *any* school
(and many other institutions and organizations with
which one signs up). It isn't peculiar to religious
schools by any means.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
 
 On Oct 12, 2009, at 11:09 AM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
snip 
  On a daily basis, Vajina, you insist on telling us how
  badly we TMers were brainwashed by the TMO.
 
 I have only occasionally made this remark, and it is
 not one I like to make.

Bullshit. Vaj makes it regularly, freely, and casually
(albeit not every day), typically as an ad hominem
retort rather than as a considered observation. (And
when he's not using the specific term, he has a 
repertoire of associated insults, such as references
to TMers' programming or indoctrination.)

Examples of his use of brainwashing (all referring
to TMers, individually or as a group, or including
TMers):

232064
Man were you brainwashed!

230976
Sheesh I didn't even go to Brainwash U. like you

225986
You're already brainwashed by Guru Bev

209032
Talk to Edg. He's spent a lot of time with Marshy kids 
brainwashing programs.

192361
Your TM brainwashing is showing.

184723
There are a number of brainwashing-like elements in any
cult like the TMO

178480
I guess I'll just have to chock [sic] it up to naivete
or to cult brainwashing

158457
These are the real anti-science people, all of whom were
apparently fooled, brainwashed or didn't really know what
science was in the first place.

157538
It's also one the hardest parts of TM indoctrination and
brainwashing for TMers to let go of 

143211
So IF the studies are just partially containing some
validity, it also means they may have come up with one
of the best brainwashing schemes ever.

139967
Methinks thou art brainwashed.  

128217
To propose that consistent *failure* to transcend is
success is TB and brainwashed nonsense.

126318
If something appeared to happen (or even if it didn't)
there was a clutch of brainwashed scientists to massage
the numbers 

107878
Like brainwashing you?

78827 
Truly Brainwashed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[yifuxero]

http://www.bju.edu/

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:

Have to agree with Doug here. When I was at MUM, the TM
practice was considered a course, just like any other.
It was a required course. Students saying they are being
forced to meditate is absurd. It's like students at
another uni saying they are forced to take a course in
the humanities, or forced to take English composition,
in order to graduate. If you don't like the mandatory
courses at a college, go somewhere else, but don't whine
about being forced to take them.
   
   Indeed.
   
   MUM advertises its curriculum as consciousness-based
   education in which all students practice TM twice
   daily (according to the current Web site).
   
   That's right up front and is presumably *why* someone
   would go to MUM rather than someplace else. To
   complain about this requirement after you get there
   is absurd, as it is for MUM to cave on it.
  
 
 
 
 It's the same situation one faces at a religion-run school. If you sign up 
 with the place, you are expected to follow THEIR rules of personal behavior 
 and practices - even if those rules are nuts. 
 
 YOU were the nut in the first place who agreed to their nutty requirements.
 
 When I went to BYU, for example, I was required to take religion classes even 
 though I wasn't a Mormon. So I took the classes. I was also expected to 
 follow THEIR religious standards of behavior on 'and' off campus. 
 
 At around 8 every morning they'd play the National Anthem on a speaker system 
 that blasted over the whole multi-acre campus. Everyone stopped in their 
 tracks and put their hands over their hearts. It made me think of the same 
 kind of robotic political nationalism I'd seen in films of Nazi Germany.
 
 Two semesters of attending that [what I perceived to be] fascist religious 
 institution, was all I could stomach. At the first opportunity, I transferred 
 to the U of Utah.
 
 
 
  It's right that you can't whine later about having
  to meditate once you've agreed to a consciousness 
  based education. Unless you aren't getting any of the
  promised benefits of course.
  
  But isn't all this a rather sad admission of the failure
  of TM to create enlightened people and the coherent 
  communities promised by MMY. If it's all failed let's
  admit it and change the TM mythos to reflect how it 
  *is* rather than try and promise students and the world 
  some sort of mythical heaven on earth.
  
  For instance, I'm sure they'd get more respect from the
  scientific community if they kept it realistic and spoke
  from the results of experiment rather than promising actual realisation of 
  vedic beliefs like flying and creating world
  peace. They'd get invited to more conferences for a start 
  and the whole thing could be based on evidence rather than
  Marshy's wild promises. It's hard to take it seriously when
  it's so weird, I can't imagine what these kids think when
  they turn up at MUM and find they have a king!
  
  
  
   (Plus which, obviously nobody can be forced to
   meditate. They can be required to gather in a
   group and sit with closed eyes for 20 minutes, but
   not to meditate.)
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ 
wrote:
   [quoting Rick]
  Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing
  that they were all going to drop out if the university
  didn't stop forcing them to meditate by taking
  attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved,
  and that policy was dropped.
   
   I'd be interested to see the text of the petition.
   Rick, can you get ahold of the petition and post it?
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
  On Oct 12, 2009, at 11:09 AM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
 snip 
   On a daily basis, Vajina, you insist on telling us how
   badly we TMers were brainwashed by the TMO.
  
  I have only occasionally made this remark, and it is
  not one I like to make.
 
 Bullshit. Vaj makes it regularly, freely, and casually
 (albeit not every day), typically as an ad hominem
 retort rather than as a considered observation. (And
 when he's not using the specific term, he has a 
 repertoire of associated insults, such as references
 to TMers' programming or indoctrination.)
 
 Examples of his use of brainwashing (all referring
 to TMers, individually or as a group, or including
 TMers):
 
 232064
 Man were you brainwashed!
 
 230976
 Sheesh I didn't even go to Brainwash U. like you
 
 225986
 You're already brainwashed by Guru Bev
 
 209032
 Talk to Edg. He's spent a lot of time with Marshy kids 
 brainwashing programs.
 
 192361
 Your TM brainwashing is showing.
 
 184723
 There are a number of brainwashing-like elements in any
 cult like the TMO
 
 178480
 I guess I'll just have to chock [sic] it up to naivete
 or to cult brainwashing
 
 158457
 These are the real anti-science people, all of whom were
 apparently fooled, brainwashed or didn't really know what
 science was in the first place.
 
 157538
 It's also one the hardest parts of TM indoctrination and
 brainwashing for TMers to let go of 
 
 143211
 So IF the studies are just partially containing some
 validity, it also means they may have come up with one
 of the best brainwashing schemes ever.
 
 139967
 Methinks thou art brainwashed.  
 
 128217
 To propose that consistent *failure* to transcend is
 success is TB and brainwashed nonsense.
 
 126318
 If something appeared to happen (or even if it didn't)
 there was a clutch of brainwashed scientists to massage
 the numbers 
 
 107878
 Like brainwashing you?
 
 78827 
 Truly Brainwashed

BINGO !
He's so brainwashed by so-called Buddhism that he sees brainwashed people 
everywhere.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

  
 I wonder whether all this is related to Bevan Morris' recent withdrawal from
 the board of trustees?



Is Spirituality failing at MUM?  Nay, not unless Nature is failing and they are 
failing nature.

Thought and spiritual life move in spirals; each great spiral returning on 
itself, yet ever higher, ever onward.  Progression is the way of life.  Always 
at the passing of the old and the coming of the new is a period of apparent 
decline, as between the harvest of one year and the leaf stage of the next.  As 
in physical nature, so in spiritual life, organizations obey the tidal law of 
ebb and flood, the spiral law of retrogression and fresh advance.

One meditating student may be worth one whole student body with out meditation. 
 Nay, even a few meditators and a whole nation without meditation.  So the 
science says.  Meditators may not be scholars necessarily or necessarily people 
of genius.  In appearance they may also be simple; but they are with 
spirituality and people with spiritual ideas, and capable of sacrifice.  
Fairfield is a lot of just that.  MUM should stay that.  Spare the rod, spoil 
the child.  Bring back Bevan, if he can get in the country.

JGD,
-Doug in FF



 Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
 going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate by
 taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that policy
 was dropped. A study was then conducted that determined that the student
 body consists of 
  
 . 30% entrepreneurs - career-oriented kids who mainly want to learn
 skills and enter the workforce. TM and SCI aren't high priorities. 
 . 60% dreamers who want to change the world. They appreciate TM
 but don't see it as the lynchpin of that endeavor. They're into
 environmentalism and other causes.
 . 10% devotees
  
 The faculty are about 90% devotees, so their attempts to impose their values
 on the students weren't working. The university is trying to translate this
 assessment into practical steps to become more relevant and appealing to
 students.
  
 I wonder whether all this is related to Bevan Morris' recent withdrawal from
 the board of trustees?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[ShempMcGurk]

Judy:

Game, set, match.

Nabby:

Vaj is completely right as it applies to YOU.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
   
   On Oct 12, 2009, at 11:09 AM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
  snip 
On a daily basis, Vajina, you insist on telling us how
badly we TMers were brainwashed by the TMO.
   
   I have only occasionally made this remark, and it is
   not one I like to make.
  
  Bullshit. Vaj makes it regularly, freely, and casually
  (albeit not every day), typically as an ad hominem
  retort rather than as a considered observation. (And
  when he's not using the specific term, he has a 
  repertoire of associated insults, such as references
  to TMers' programming or indoctrination.)
  
  Examples of his use of brainwashing (all referring
  to TMers, individually or as a group, or including
  TMers):
  
  232064
  Man were you brainwashed!
  
  230976
  Sheesh I didn't even go to Brainwash U. like you
  
  225986
  You're already brainwashed by Guru Bev
  
  209032
  Talk to Edg. He's spent a lot of time with Marshy kids 
  brainwashing programs.
  
  192361
  Your TM brainwashing is showing.
  
  184723
  There are a number of brainwashing-like elements in any
  cult like the TMO
  
  178480
  I guess I'll just have to chock [sic] it up to naivete
  or to cult brainwashing
  
  158457
  These are the real anti-science people, all of whom were
  apparently fooled, brainwashed or didn't really know what
  science was in the first place.
  
  157538
  It's also one the hardest parts of TM indoctrination and
  brainwashing for TMers to let go of 
  
  143211
  So IF the studies are just partially containing some
  validity, it also means they may have come up with one
  of the best brainwashing schemes ever.
  
  139967
  Methinks thou art brainwashed.  
  
  128217
  To propose that consistent *failure* to transcend is
  success is TB and brainwashed nonsense.
  
  126318
  If something appeared to happen (or even if it didn't)
  there was a clutch of brainwashed scientists to massage
  the numbers 
  
  107878
  Like brainwashing you?
  
  78827 
  Truly Brainwashed
 
 BINGO !
 He's so brainwashed by so-called Buddhism that he sees brainwashed people 
 everywhere.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[yifuxero]

Extinctions are part of evolution too. Lucy gives way to Ardi, and modern 
humans replaced Lucy. Other groups such as the Neanderthals met with extinction.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:

   
  I wonder whether all this is related to Bevan Morris' recent withdrawal from
  the board of trustees?
 
 
 
 Is Spirituality failing at MUM?  Nay, not unless Nature is failing and they 
 are failing nature.
 
 Thought and spiritual life move in spirals; each great spiral returning on 
 itself, yet ever higher, ever onward.  Progression is the way of life.  
 Always at the passing of the old and the coming of the new is a period of 
 apparent decline, as between the harvest of one year and the leaf stage of 
 the next.  As in physical nature, so in spiritual life, organizations obey 
 the tidal law of ebb and flood, the spiral law of retrogression and fresh 
 advance.
 
 One meditating student may be worth one whole student body with out 
 meditation.  Nay, even a few meditators and a whole nation without 
 meditation.  So the science says.  Meditators may not be scholars necessarily 
 or necessarily people of genius.  In appearance they may also be simple; but 
 they are with spirituality and people with spiritual ideas, and capable of 
 sacrifice.  Fairfield is a lot of just that.  MUM should stay that.  Spare 
 the rod, spoil the child.  Bring back Bevan, if he can get in the country.
 
 JGD,
 -Doug in FF
 
 
 
  Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
  going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate by
  taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that policy
  was dropped. A study was then conducted that determined that the student
  body consists of 
   
  . 30% entrepreneurs - career-oriented kids who mainly want to learn
  skills and enter the workforce. TM and SCI aren't high priorities. 
  . 60% dreamers who want to change the world. They appreciate TM
  but don't see it as the lynchpin of that endeavor. They're into
  environmentalism and other causes.
  . 10% devotees
   
  The faculty are about 90% devotees, so their attempts to impose their values
  on the students weren't working. The university is trying to translate this
  assessment into practical steps to become more relevant and appealing to
  students.
   
  I wonder whether all this is related to Bevan Morris' recent withdrawal from
  the board of trustees?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:

 On Oct 12, 2009, at 11:09 AM, ShempMcGurk wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 [snip]

  Man were you brainwashed!

 [snip]

 On a daily basis, Vajina, you insist on telling us how badly we TMers 
 were brainwashed by the TMO.


 I have only occasionally made this remark, and it is not one I like to 
 make. I do not make it every day. You're exaggerating.

 Yes, I suppose the TMO has and continues still to brainwash and, yes, 
 I suppose there are a certain contingent of TBers that will drink the 
 kool-aid any chance they get.

 But to paint the ENTIRE meditating population -- even those of us 
 that went to MIU or were teachers -- is silly. If we were brainwashed 
 as much as you suggest we were, we'd all still be in the TMO...and 
 certainly not posting on a rogue forum such as this.


 I don't consider involvement in the TMO a prerequisite for being 
 thought reformed or brainwashed. In fact, it seems like the majority 
 of the brainwashed people here do not have an involvement in the TMO. 
 So clearly, your assumption seems false, to me.


I don't know when you became involved with TM but I noted that the 
cultish aspects only began to appear towards the end of the 70's.  I 
wasn't much troubled because I wasn't looked upon as someone to knock 
the local shakers and movers off their thrown.  I only learned of some 
of their fanaticism years later.  After 1982 I didn't have much contract 
with the movement outside of their ayurvedic introductory lecture in 
1985 that they charged $185 for and should have been free.  That was it 
for me.

At least where I was the TM centers were pretty easy going in the mid 
1970s and a fun social group to hang out with.  We saw real cults all 
around and steered clear of those.  Even the president of my high school 
had a cult going in the Northwest.  Pretty funny.

When I went to TTC I had been informed of the minefields to be found 
there and steered clear of them.  Some of the professionals in my 
group almost got bumped off the course because they didn't  like the 
rules.  I played the game and in Maharishi parlance got the goods. :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[jpgillam]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 A study was then conducted that determined 
 that the student body consists of 
  
 . 30% entrepreneurs - career-oriented kids 
 who mainly want to learn skills and enter 
 the workforce. TM and SCI aren't high priorities. 

 . 60% dreamers who want to change the world. 
 They appreciate TM but don't see it as the 
 lynchpin of that endeavor. They're into
 environmentalism and other causes.

 . 10% devotees
  
 The faculty are about 90% devotees, so their 
 attempts to impose their values on the students 
 weren't working. The university is trying to 
 translate this assessment into practical steps 
 to become more relevant and appealing to
 students.

I immersed myself in the TM organization because 
I wanted to make things happen in my life and the 
world, and I embraced Maharishi's selling point 
that transcending influences relative life. Is the 
connection between transcending and success really 
so tenuous that the dreamers and entrepreneurs are 
not sold on its value? If such is the case, the 
faculty's course of action seems clear to me: 
establish the connection, through research and 
personal example. If they cannot make the connection, 
the University has no reason to exist.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Vaj]

On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


 I don't consider involvement in the TMO a prerequisite for being
 thought reformed or brainwashed. In fact, it seems like the majority
 of the brainwashed people here do not have an involvement in the  
TMO.

 So clearly, your assumption seems false, to me.


I don't know when you became involved with TM but I noted that the
cultish aspects only began to appear towards the end of the 70's. I
wasn't much troubled because I wasn't looked upon as someone to knock
the local shakers and movers off their thrown. I only learned of  
some
of their fanaticism years later. After 1982 I didn't have much  
contract

with the movement outside of their ayurvedic introductory lecture in
1985 that they charged $185 for and should have been free. That was it
for me.

At least where I was the TM centers were pretty easy going in the mid
1970s and a fun social group to hang out with. We saw real cults all
around and steered clear of those. Even the president of my high  
school

had a cult going in the Northwest. Pretty funny.

When I went to TTC I had been informed of the minefields to be found
there and steered clear of them. Some of the professionals in my
group almost got bumped off the course because they didn't like the
rules. I played the game and in Maharishi parlance got the  
goods. :-D


It became acutely obvious to me as the first people I knew came back  
from (then) MIU. TTC folks learned to hide it well or be gone. One of  
the most disturbing was the unspoken caste system where wealth = more  
support of nature = more evolved. And conversely less money = less  
support of nature = less evolved. Of course Fairfield has to be the  
only place I know where Utopia was a trailer park. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[ruthsimplicity]

I am just stopping in for a quick visit, after Vaj let me know about this 
development.

I note the number of suck it up posts.  I wouldn't be surprised if that was 
what had been done for years by the disenchanted.  Now the student population 
has changed.  Too many students no longer care about meditation.   They come to 
MUM primarily for reasons other than TM--foreign students interested in the 
computer courses, others interested in the environmental programs. Students 
talk, they get a feel of the lay of the land, and then they do a petition. 
Students are idealists.  This is the kind of thing they do.   They could have 
been kicked out, which would be in accordance with the rules.  But there were 
too many of them.  If the survey Rick mentions correctly states the attitudes 
of MUM students, unless MUM bends there will be no more university. 

I wonder what the current drop out rate is?  

There just isn't many new generation true believers in the United States. Look 
at who pisses and moans about TM pro and con on the net--a bunch of 50 plus 
year olds. Are there any new up and coming researchers or are most of them 60 
year old TBs? Who is Orme-Johnson's successor?  I would shed no tears if MUM 
went belly up. But MUM trustees may have enough sense to realize that survival 
depends on being more secular. 

In any event, it will be interesting.  

Ruth


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[yifuxero]

MUM would be better off setting up RV trailer parks in Quartzite, Arizona:
http://desertgardensrvpark.net/



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 
   I don't consider involvement in the TMO a prerequisite for being
   thought reformed or brainwashed. In fact, it seems like the majority
   of the brainwashed people here do not have an involvement in the  
  TMO.
   So clearly, your assumption seems false, to me.
  
 
  I don't know when you became involved with TM but I noted that the
  cultish aspects only began to appear towards the end of the 70's. I
  wasn't much troubled because I wasn't looked upon as someone to knock
  the local shakers and movers off their thrown. I only learned of  
  some
  of their fanaticism years later. After 1982 I didn't have much  
  contract
  with the movement outside of their ayurvedic introductory lecture in
  1985 that they charged $185 for and should have been free. That was it
  for me.
 
  At least where I was the TM centers were pretty easy going in the mid
  1970s and a fun social group to hang out with. We saw real cults all
  around and steered clear of those. Even the president of my high  
  school
  had a cult going in the Northwest. Pretty funny.
 
  When I went to TTC I had been informed of the minefields to be found
  there and steered clear of them. Some of the professionals in my
  group almost got bumped off the course because they didn't like the
  rules. I played the game and in Maharishi parlance got the  
  goods. :-D
 
 It became acutely obvious to me as the first people I knew came back  
 from (then) MIU. TTC folks learned to hide it well or be gone. One of  
 the most disturbing was the unspoken caste system where wealth = more  
 support of nature = more evolved. And conversely less money = less  
 support of nature = less evolved. Of course Fairfield has to be the  
 only place I know where Utopia was a trailer park. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 Judy:
 
 Game, set, match.
 
 Nabby:
 
 Vaj is completely right as it applies to YOU.

McGurk; Get a checking !

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Vaj]

On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:01 PM, jpgillam wrote:


 The faculty are about 90% devotees, so their
 attempts to impose their values on the students
 weren't working. The university is trying to
 translate this assessment into practical steps
 to become more relevant and appealing to
 students.

I immersed myself in the TM organization because
I wanted to make things happen in my life and the
world, and I embraced Maharishi's selling point
that transcending influences relative life. Is the
connection between transcending and success really
so tenuous that the dreamers and entrepreneurs are
not sold on its value?


Are you honestly just realizing this now?

It seems like the writing has been on the wall for sometime now, the  
importing of foreign students on corporate-sponsored job visas, the  
disreputable research has been known at least since the early 80's,  
the growing separation between true believers and people who think  
they're just getting a holistic education (only to find a more cultish  
mindset), etc.


When it became glaringly obvious was around the time of MMY's death  
when people began flocking to Vlodrop. The pictures looked like a day  
trip from an old folks home by and large, with a few grandkids  
straggling along. After the true believers aged, and their kids were  
grown, there was no one really left.


So they tried to go after the green/sustainable student market.  
Unfortunately for them, these kids turned out to be way too savvy for  
MUM and the TMO IMO.



If such is the case, the
faculty's course of action seems clear to me:
establish the connection, through research and
personal example. If they cannot make the connection,
the University has no reason to exist.


Unfortunately their scientific reputation is already quite bad, so  
barring something really good suddenly happening, it would be  
unrealistic to place any hope there. Their main hope for survival it  
seems is to tone down the Vedic crapola, drop the siddhis, promote TM,  
come clean on what it really is and push the sustainability and green  
aspects in a mainstream (not vedic) way--and/or whore off corporate  
visas should they remain. IMO the real future for the TM org is more  
likely South America, where a more superstitious population, less  
educated in general and hidden from much of the dirty laundry via a  
language gap which hides  what's already gone down.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Sal Sunshine]

On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:44 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
 I am just stopping in for a quick visit, after Vaj let me know about  
 this development.

 I note the number of suck it up posts.  I wouldn't be surprised if  
 that was what had been done for years by the disenchanted.  Now the  
 student population has changed.  Too many students no longer care  
 about meditation.   They come to MUM primarily for reasons other  
 than TM--foreign students interested in the computer courses, others  
 interested in the environmental programs. Students talk, they get a  
 feel of the lay of the land, and then they do a petition. Students  
 are idealists.  This is the kind of thing they do.   They could have  
 been kicked out, which would be in accordance with the rules.  But  
 there were too many of them.  If the survey Rick mentions correctly  
 states the attitudes of MUM students, unless MUM bends there will be  
 no more university.

 I wonder what the current drop out rate is?

Oh there is no drop-out rate, Ruth.
The university doesn't allow that--
they just kill em first. :)

  There just isn't many new generation true believers in the United  
 States. Look at who pisses and moans about TM pro and con on the  
 net--a bunch of 50 plus year olds. Are there any new up and coming  
 researchers or are most of them 60 year old TBs? Who is Orme- 
 Johnson's successor?  I would shed no tears if MUM went belly up.  
 But MUM trustees may have enough sense to realize that survival  
 depends on being more secular.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Sal Sunshine]

On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Vaj wrote:

Unfortunately their scientific reputation is already quite bad, so  
barring something really good suddenly happening, it would be  
unrealistic to place any hope there. Their main hope for survival it  
seems is to tone down the Vedic crapola, drop the siddhis, promote  
TM, come clean on what it really is and push the sustainability and  
green aspects in a mainstream (not vedic) way--and/or whore off  
corporate visas should they remain. IMO the real future for the TM  
org is more likely South America, where a more superstitious  
population, less educated in general and hidden from much of the  
dirty laundry via a language gap which hides  what's already gone  
down.


And if even that doesn't work out, I
have a suggestion for them:  robots.
I mean, why the hell not?  For one
thing, it would use up  a lot
of scrap metal--and that's sustainability,
right?  And for another, there'd be
no problem with programming them,
which would figure into their computer
science dept.
No problem with kids or pets either.
I can see a great future for the
university going this route.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[jpgillam]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
 
 On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:01 PM, jpgillam wrote:
 
   The faculty are about 90% devotees, so their
   attempts to impose their values on the students
   weren't working. The university is trying to
   translate this assessment into practical steps
   to become more relevant and appealing to
   students.
 
  I immersed myself in the TM organization because
  I wanted to make things happen in my life and the
  world, and I embraced Maharishi's selling point
  that transcending influences relative life. Is the
  connection between transcending and success really
  so tenuous that the dreamers and entrepreneurs are
  not sold on its value?
 
 Are you honestly just realizing this now?

Forgive me; realizing what? That the connection 
between transcending and success is indeed tenuous? 
Or that the MUM faculty have done a poor job of 
communicating that connection? Or of making that 
connection? Please clarify.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[yifuxero]

anything we do at time slot a influences events down the road; so in that 
respect, just seeing a lecture of a genuine Guru can change one's life, as to 
direction. Actualy practice will change it more, obviously, for example - in my 
case - meeting up with people like Charlie, Jerry, etc
 But such Butterfly Effect transformations are true with any endeavor. One 
could decide to join the Army, go to Afghanistan, and get some limbs blown off.
 But you're talking about transcendence, per se.  Hell no!  The initial 
expectation (per lectures of Jerry J.) would be that TM would eliminate the 
need for the entire profession of psychiatry; as well as eradicate the need for 
taking illegal drugs (since one could supposedly get a superior type of natural 
high, rather than partake of hard drugs).
 But the drug the TMO people took, was of course the hard core Kool-Aid, almost 
as insidious as heroin.
Anyway, imo, Transcendence doesn't do much since transcending cause and effect 
(relativity) is not setting causes into motion.
...
The bottom line is that we can (a) transcend changes, or (b) make changes.
The evidence for the making changes part simply isn't there!
I therefore agree with the other contributor. The connections are tenuous. 
There could actually be a negative payoff, in certain circumstances; although 
by no means approaching the levels suggested by Vaj.
Usually, people just quit since they haven't seen any results. 



- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
  On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:01 PM, jpgillam wrote:
  
The faculty are about 90% devotees, so their
attempts to impose their values on the students
weren't working. The university is trying to
translate this assessment into practical steps
to become more relevant and appealing to
students.
  
   I immersed myself in the TM organization because
   I wanted to make things happen in my life and the
   world, and I embraced Maharishi's selling point
   that transcending influences relative life. Is the
   connection between transcending and success really
   so tenuous that the dreamers and entrepreneurs are
   not sold on its value?
  
  Are you honestly just realizing this now?
 
 Forgive me; realizing what? That the connection 
 between transcending and success is indeed tenuous? 
 Or that the MUM faculty have done a poor job of 
 communicating that connection? Or of making that 
 connection? Please clarify.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Vaj]

On Oct 12, 2009, at 7:44 PM, jpgillam wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:01 PM, jpgillam wrote:

   The faculty are about 90% devotees, so their
   attempts to impose their values on the students
   weren't working. The university is trying to
   translate this assessment into practical steps
   to become more relevant and appealing to
   students.
 
  I immersed myself in the TM organization because
  I wanted to make things happen in my life and the
  world, and I embraced Maharishi's selling point
  that transcending influences relative life. Is the
  connection between transcending and success really
  so tenuous that the dreamers and entrepreneurs are
  not sold on its value?

 Are you honestly just realizing this now?

Forgive me; realizing what? That the connection
between transcending and success is indeed tenuous?
Or that the MUM faculty have done a poor job of
communicating that connection? Or of making that
connection? Please clarify.



Are you just realizing that MUM is no longer a TM school, teaching TM  
ideals to people who are actually interested in TM, SCI or Vedism?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[Vaj]

On Oct 12, 2009, at 8:07 PM, yifuxero wrote:

The bottom line is that we can (a) transcend changes, or (b) make  
changes.

The evidence for the making changes part simply isn't there!
I therefore agree with the other contributor. The connections are  
tenuous.
There could actually be a negative payoff, in certain circumstances;  
although by no means approaching the levels suggested by Vaj.

Usually, people just quit since they haven't seen any results.



I would beg to differ--I'd actually propose mental worship and/or  
meditation on an ishta-devata (e.g simple mental mantra recitation)  
can bring and is believed to bring relative benefits. YMMV. The  
question is: when someone isn't aware that the relative benefit is  
essentially a boon from a inner goddess radiating her effects via  
your nervous system onto your connection with the outer world; when  
that inner level of intention is missing through deception, does it  
work or does it work as well (as if you knew you were reciting, say, a  
mantra to the goddess of wisdom and inspired speech)? Or can the  
deception block that relative effect?


IME teachers who simply ask their students what are you looking for,  
or what do you want in life and then give a mantra for that benefit,  
at least the student has some involvement at the level of intention.  
They are aligned with the benefit. If the student is left in the dark,  
that specific intention is left as an ambiguity.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:


 On Oct 12, 2009, at 8:07 PM, yifuxero wrote:

  The bottom line is that we can (a) transcend changes, or (b) make
  changes.
  The evidence for the making changes part simply isn't there!
  I therefore agree with the other contributor. The connections are
  tenuous.
  There could actually be a negative payoff, in certain circumstances;
  although by no means approaching the levels suggested by Vaj.
  Usually, people just quit since they haven't seen any results.


 I would beg to differ--I'd actually propose mental worship and/or
 meditation on an ishta-devata (e.g simple mental mantra recitation)
 can bring and is believed to bring relative benefits. YMMV. The
 question is: when someone isn't aware that the relative benefit is
 essentially a boon from a inner goddess radiating her effects via
 your nervous system onto your connection with the outer world; when
 that inner level of intention is missing through deception, does it
 work or does it work as well (as if you knew you were reciting, say, a
 mantra to the goddess of wisdom and inspired speech)? Or can the
 deception block that relative effect?

 IME teachers who simply ask their students what are you looking for,
 or what do you want in life and then give a mantra for that benefit,
 at least the student has some involvement at the level of intention.
 They are aligned with the benefit. If the student is left in the dark,
 that specific intention is left as an ambiguity.


Seeking benefits is stupid.
Meditate and enjoy, that is Maharishi's advice.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[yifuxero]

To bring up an example:  I've been chanting mantras (japa - outloud or silently 
but separate from TM); since 1972 when I got my GOHONZON at a Buddhist Temple 
in Etiwanda, CA.  With TM, relative benefits are supposedly a byproduct 
(although unpredictable) of a more relaxed nervous system.  There's only a 
tenuous connection between transcendence and activity since one can attribute 
relative changes to the relaxation.
 Possibly, one might transcend and start reading books on Advaita.
OTOH, people in the Nichiren School - like myself - don't separate Spiritual 
from material, since the Founder - Nichiren, made no such distinction and in 
fact spent a lifetime criticizing orthodox Buddhism for that very reason: 
Orthodox Buddhism creates a monkish lifestyle while retreating from activity 
(and I might add - begging for alms).
 MMY has addressed the question of householder vs monk orientations but imo 
failed to come up with the goods. Back to you Vaj. What are you quibbling about 
now? I forgot. You'll find something to nitpick about.
  Anyway, I'm making the following assertions:  a. transcendence has 
unproven/demonstrated value in relation to the multitude of claims made by the 
TMO; but b. one can point to restful alertness as a valuable state of 
body-mind, IRRESPECTIVE of which technique induces the state.  Thus, fewer 
ulcers, etc; clearer thinking...but
c. In regard to making correct (Dharmic); productive actions, silent meditation 
if done in excess might be counterproductive - thus, BN: Bliss Ninnies or those 
who might borrow $$ to attend Mother Divine Courses.
My solution since 1972 has been to chant various mantras of Hindu and Buddhist 
origin; but I make no distinction between the WISDOM purpose and other purposes 
for chanting.  Indeed, if you google the Green Tara, you will find a long 
shopping list of Green Tara practice benefits, all intermingled, with no 
distinguishing the Wisdom aspect from the material benefits.
 The person making such a false dichotomy is you, Vaj, since your Guru Norbu 
does it! (makes such a distinction). He's obviously not a devotee of the Green 
Tara.  For example: Among the 21 Tara mantras, #11 addresses and counteracts 
the vil caused by robbers.  #14 averts evil affecting cattle, #16 that of 
poison, and so on.  But #7 is the Tara who increases Wisdom.
  Thus, certain Buddhist schools such as Nichiren's make no distinction between 
various types of desires: material vs Spiritual.
Neo-Advaitins typically make a distinction and attempt to capitalize on the 
supposed difference.
Andrew Cohen is an odd character.  He and his friend Ken Wilber tout 
evolutionary Consciousness and then beg for money.  One of his followers 
called me at work.  I basically told her to get lost and said that her Guru was 
a hypocrite.
 I therefore respectfully disagree with any Guru who makes the Wisdom vs 
material dichotomy; and give credit where it's due: to MMY for at least 
ATTEMPTING to fuse the two.  Unfortunately his (TMO) claims for material 
benefits have not panned out -whether the supposed results be due to relaxation 
or transcendence or Yagyas.
 OTOH, I recommend chanting various mantras such as the Gayatri, Om Mani Padme 
Hum, or any other legitimate mantras, to get things moving in the relative 
sphere of existence.
 A recent project of mine involves 2 young street people whom I pass by every 
day after work.  They're sitting on their butts on the sidewalk.  I'm 
considering teaching them a mantra to chant but am having a lot of difficulty 
getting started.  A mantra I've selected is excellent for manifestation: The 
preamble to the Gayatri mantra, which is: Om Bhur Bhuvah Svah.  That's it. Dont 
repeat the next part which is in the Rig Veda:. TAT through Prachodayat.
 All of the various mantras I chant have proven their worth at work. At times I 
have resorted to mantras to the Voodoo Deities to get rid of enemies.
To conclude, a. there's a tenuous connection between transcendence and making 
constructive changes, at least in the short run  b. relative benefits can be 
obtained through chanting mantras for specific purposes, or for no purpose.  
The result of chanting is that vibratory currents are set up in the throat 
chakra, body, and the environment which eventually spill over into manifested 
results.
I use various mantras to make mathematical discoveries (having over 4,000 
entries in a certain math Encyclopedia - ok bragging, but just establishing the 
facts).
MY advice:  Do NOT separate (conceptually, or in any other way), Spiritual from 
material: one type of desire vs another. Desires are desires, whether for 
Wisdom or $$. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Oct 12, 2009, at 8:07 PM, yifuxero wrote:
 
  The bottom line is that we can (a) transcend changes, or (b) make  
  changes.
  The evidence for the making changes part simply isn't there!
  I therefore agree with the other contributor. The connections are  
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
snip
 The question is: when someone isn't aware that the
 relative benefit is essentially a boon from a inner
 goddess radiating her effects via your nervous system
 onto your connection with the outer world; when that
 inner level of intention is missing through deception,
 does it work or does it work as well (as if you knew
 you were reciting, say, a mantra to the goddess of
 wisdom and inspired speech)? Or can the deception block
 that relative effect?

holding sides

I think I hurt myself laughing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[dhamiltony2k5]

Our call to be meditators is something more than a casual circumstance.  I feel 
its force and realize its holiness.  As a meditator in the sphere of nature, I 
realize how enslaved we should have been to the fashions and life that gratify 
the merely animal passions.  As a conservative meditator in the spiritual 
family of Fairfield meditators, I am relieved from earthly servitude, and am a 
free being; free to live and be as pure as the heavens, with companions who are 
also pure.  

I am happy in my call to an entire consecration of soul and body in meditation, 
to a cause so noble; and though many rebel against the call of meditation, I 
know that the discipline of a meditating life is of God and that its principles 
in science can never fail, I have tasted the bread and waters of a regenerated 
and eternal life in meditation, and to every sincere seeker after truth, I send 
greeting, and welcome to share in meditation, in Fairfield.

Jai Adi Shankara,
-Doug in FF

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
 going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate by
 taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that policy
 was dropped. A study was then conducted that determined that the student
 body consists of 
  
 . 30% entrepreneurs - career-oriented kids who mainly want to learn
 skills and enter the workforce. TM and SCI aren't high priorities. 
 . 60% dreamers who want to change the world. They appreciate TM
 but don't see it as the lynchpin of that endeavor. They're into
 environmentalism and other causes.
 . 10% devotees
  
 The faculty are about 90% devotees, so their attempts to impose their values
 on the students weren't working. The university is trying to translate this
 assessment into practical steps to become more relevant and appealing to
 students.
  
 I wonder whether all this is related to Bevan Morris' recent withdrawal from
 the board of trustees?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[ShempMcGurk]

My first reaction to the fascinating post below is that ever since the advent 
of all the extras that the TMO sells and emphasizes these days -- 
schtapatyaveda, ayurveda, yagyas, sidhis, etc. etc. -- has, simply, watered 
down the core message of TM.  Not only are people NOT starting TM in droves 
they way they did in the '70s but those that do start, such as the students 
described here, don't put much priority on it BECAUSE THE TMO DOESN'T EITHER.  
I mean, how can they when the message is watered down with all this other 
stuff.  You can't say out of one side of your mouth that capturing the fort 
with 20 minutes of TM is all you need to have access to the goldmines that are 
in control of the fort and then, out of the other side of your mouth, sell and 
promote all those goldmines as extras.  Something's gotta give, and in this 
case it's TM.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
 going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate by
 taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that policy
 was dropped. A study was then conducted that determined that the student
 body consists of 
  
 . 30% entrepreneurs - career-oriented kids who mainly want to learn
 skills and enter the workforce. TM and SCI aren't high priorities. 
 . 60% dreamers who want to change the world. They appreciate TM
 but don't see it as the lynchpin of that endeavor. They're into
 environmentalism and other causes.
 . 10% devotees
  
 The faculty are about 90% devotees, so their attempts to impose their values
 on the students weren't working. The university is trying to translate this
 assessment into practical steps to become more relevant and appealing to
 students.
  
 I wonder whether all this is related to Bevan Morris' recent withdrawal from
 the board of trustees?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[It's just a ride]

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:22 PM, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@netscape.net wrote:
 My first reaction to the fascinating post below is that ever since the advent 
 of all the extras that the TMO sells and emphasizes these days -- 
 schtapatyaveda, ayurveda, yagyas, sidhis, etc. etc. -- has, simply, watered 
 down the core message of TM.  Not only are people NOT starting TM in droves 
 they way they did in the '70s but those that do start, such as the students 
 described here, don't put much priority on it BECAUSE THE TMO DOESN'T EITHER. 
  I mean, how can they when the message is watered down with all this other 
 stuff.  You can't say out of one side of your mouth that capturing the fort 
 with 20 minutes of TM is all you need to have access to the goldmines that 
 are in control of the fort and then, out of the other side of your mouth, 
 sell and promote all those goldmines as extras.  Something's gotta give, 
 and in this case it's TM.


TM meditators were in the eyes of Maharishi lower than whale shit.  I
remember how low I was.  Locked out of courses, couldn't see tapes,
which tapes I can't understand why they need to be kept from the whale
shit.  Couldn't attend meetings, WPAs.  It got down to a residence
course a year offered at MIU if you were lucky.  And the residence
courses were offered for rising sidhas and as infomercials for the
sidhis.

So MUM can't have it both ways.  There's no equation to factor
meditators into the Dome numbers.  The TMers don't count.
Furthermore, when I go to the mens dorms, I don't see a single white
face.  Well, now there's one, an RA who's on IA.  They are all mud
people who came here because someone else was paying.  These people
don't give a shit for MUM, Fairfield, Iowa, the United States or TM.
They came to get what they could because they couldn't join a pirate
ship or score it big spending spam as a solicitor looking to smuggle
money out of their countries.


Arise, wretched of the earth
Arise, convicts of hunger
Reason thunders in its crater
This is the eruption of the end
Of the past let us wipe the slate clean
Enslaved masses, arise, arise
The world is about to change its foundation
We are nothing, let us be all
This is the final struggle
Let us group together, and tomorrow  The Internationale
Will be the human race.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments

[ShempMcGurk]

I don't understand what or who mud people are.

Please elaborate.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride 
bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote:

 On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:22 PM, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote:
  My first reaction to the fascinating post below is that ever since the 
  advent of all the extras that the TMO sells and emphasizes these days -- 
  schtapatyaveda, ayurveda, yagyas, sidhis, etc. etc. -- has, simply, watered 
  down the core message of TM.  Not only are people NOT starting TM in droves 
  they way they did in the '70s but those that do start, such as the students 
  described here, don't put much priority on it BECAUSE THE TMO DOESN'T 
  EITHER.  I mean, how can they when the message is watered down with all 
  this other stuff.  You can't say out of one side of your mouth that 
  capturing the fort with 20 minutes of TM is all you need to have access to 
  the goldmines that are in control of the fort and then, out of the other 
  side of your mouth, sell and promote all those goldmines as extras.  
  Something's gotta give, and in this case it's TM.
 
 
 TM meditators were in the eyes of Maharishi lower than whale shit.  I
 remember how low I was.  Locked out of courses, couldn't see tapes,
 which tapes I can't understand why they need to be kept from the whale
 shit.  Couldn't attend meetings, WPAs.  It got down to a residence
 course a year offered at MIU if you were lucky.  And the residence
 courses were offered for rising sidhas and as infomercials for the
 sidhis.
 
 So MUM can't have it both ways.  There's no equation to factor
 meditators into the Dome numbers.  The TMers don't count.
 Furthermore, when I go to the mens dorms, I don't see a single white
 face.  Well, now there's one, an RA who's on IA.  They are all mud
 people who came here because someone else was paying.  These people
 don't give a shit for MUM, Fairfield, Iowa, the United States or TM.
 They came to get what they could because they couldn't join a pirate
 ship or score it big spending spam as a solicitor looking to smuggle
 money out of their countries.
 
 
 Arise, wretched of the earth
 Arise, convicts of hunger
 Reason thunders in its crater
 This is the eruption of the end
 Of the past let us wipe the slate clean
 Enslaved masses, arise, arise
 The world is about to change its foundation
 We are nothing, let us be all
 This is the final struggle
 Let us group together, and tomorrow  The Internationale
 Will be the human race.