[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Nagel's Mind Cosmos
Interesting, yes, but I think it misses the point. The first comment on that post does a good job explaining the real point, but Feser's response to it completely misses it again! The commenter quotes Chalmers at length, concluding with this: How can we explain why there is something it is like to entertain a mental image, or to experience an emotion? ...Why should physical processing give rise to a rich inner life at all? It seems objectively unreasonable that it should, and yet it does. To put it another way, the question isn't why things-- including mental experience--seem to us the way they do, but *why should there be such a thing as seeming* in the first place? So much philosophical discussion of consciousness takes seeming for granted, when it's the very thing that requires explanation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: This is an interesting blog post IMO: http://edwardfeser.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/nagel-and-his-critics-part-viii.html Or http://goo.gl/QulfS How much of our existential anguish can be laid at the feet of Monsieur R. Descartes? From the concrete material objects of everyday life, Descartes and the moderns who have followed him derived two abstractions (as I discussed in an earlier post). First, they abstracted out those features that could be captured in exclusively quantitative terms, reified this abstraction, and called that reified abstraction matter, or the physical, or that which is objective. Second, they abstracted those qualitative features that would not fit the first, quantitative picture, reified that abstraction, and called it the mental, or that which is subjective. Once this move was made, there was never in principle going to be a way to get mind and matter together again, since they were in effect defined by contrast with one another.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on polyamory
turquoiseb: Since I'm having fun rapping about this subject, and because I suspect it'll push a few buttons here ( and you know how I love that :-), So, it's all about sex, Uncle Tantra. LoL! I'll continue to use up my posts for this week early before heading into Amsterdam for the day. In retrospect my made-up word monogamaphobes was ill-considered, and probably should have been something like polyamoraphobes. I *have* met a few monogamaphobes among my extended family's polyamorous friends -- those who look down on monogamy as much as monogamists look down on polyamory -- but I have very little tolerance for them, as do my housemates. We're more of the different strokes for different folks and live and let live persuasion. Why this whole polyamory thing appeals to me is the some- what remarkable degrees of *honesty* I've found in some people who practice it. That and the lack of one of the afflictive emotions, jealousy. They tend to believe that requiring a romantic partner to love only them makes as little sense as feeling that one cannot love one's parents or friends if one has a wife or husband. (Or, obviously, that one cannot love one's primary spiritual teacher if one visits others.) That's just love as property thinking. Icky. Low vibe. Most of the sad history of planet Earth has been the result of people raised by nuclear monogamous families. That doesn't seem to me to be a great commercial for the concept. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on polyamory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agLGiMBqbPE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: turquoiseb: Since I'm having fun rapping about this subject, and because I suspect it'll push a few buttons here ( and you know how I love that :-), So, it's all about sex, Uncle Tantra. LoL! I'll continue to use up my posts for this week early before heading into Amsterdam for the day. In retrospect my made-up word monogamaphobes was ill-considered, and probably should have been something like polyamoraphobes. I *have* met a few monogamaphobes among my extended family's polyamorous friends -- those who look down on monogamy as much as monogamists look down on polyamory -- but I have very little tolerance for them, as do my housemates. We're more of the different strokes for different folks and live and let live persuasion. Why this whole polyamory thing appeals to me is the some- what remarkable degrees of *honesty* I've found in some people who practice it. That and the lack of one of the afflictive emotions, jealousy. They tend to believe that requiring a romantic partner to love only them makes as little sense as feeling that one cannot love one's parents or friends if one has a wife or husband. (Or, obviously, that one cannot love one's primary spiritual teacher if one visits others.) That's just love as property thinking. Icky. Low vibe. Most of the sad history of planet Earth has been the result of people raised by nuclear monogamous families. That doesn't seem to me to be a great commercial for the concept. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: If you are honest, you'll have to acknowledge that you have been doing precisely this since I called you on your psychiatric pseudo-diagnosis of Robin last December. I haven't. Yes, navashok, you have. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6kRqnfsBEc
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This time about Andrew Cohen: Making Sense of Post-Cult Trauma the Relational System of the Traumatizing Narcissist My Thirteen Years at EnlightenNext by William Yenner http://americanguru.net/news-and-reviews/making-sense-of-post-cult-trauma-the-relational-system-of-the-traumatizing-narcissist/ Amazing story, I wonder just how many groups like this there are at any one time? There ought to be a govt department keeping tabs on them all. If you include all the christian fundy cults there must be a significant shift of the nations money into the pockets of maniacs. Read a good book called Spying in guru land by William Shaw, he's a journalist who spent a year joining as many cults and secret religious/spiritual groups as he could find. Fascinating stuff, they range from multi-million pound organisations formed by early defectors from the TMO to a plumber and his girlfriend waffling shallow new age garbage in their council flat in Peckham. All of them have devoted members who will do pretty much anything to be near their teachers (and spend any amount of money). The cunning thing is the way they hide behind a screen of offering acceptable sounding relaxation techniques or just philosophy discussion classes and then they slowly reel you in to the belief system and the hidden Truth and before you know it you're standing on a hill at midnight waiting for UFO's, speaking in tongues with the master of the galaxy, or even hopping around on bits of foam thinking you are creating world peace! Nowt so queer as folk
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
turquoiseb More Cult News I studied with a guy who could turn huge rooms in convention centers gold, to the point where even the security guards saw it, but that never made me think he was enlightened, only that he could do cool things with light. - Unc LoL! This time about Andrew Cohen: Making Sense of Post-Cult Trauma the Relational System of the Traumatizing Narcissist My Thirteen Years at EnlightenNext by William Yenner http://americanguru.net/news-and-reviews/making-sense-of-post-cult-trauma-the-relational-system-of-the-traumatizing-narcissist/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
Yeah, the trick is not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There are tons of teachers out there, with the credence of infomercial hucksters. There is some value, IMO, in reflecting back on any spiritual context we are exposed to, and seeing it for what it is, or simply questioning everything that went on. After a while, though, it is the individuals, you and me, each of us, undertaking the spiritual journey, who are the central characters in it. So, if the objective in questioning a spiritual organization is a means to move forward in the journey, by all means, go for it. However, if the purpose of questioning a spiritual organization goes on long after one has left, perhaps the focus on such an organization, is no longer moving the person forward. Perhaps what was once a legitimate criticism of a past association, has now become a fixation, triggered emotionally - a screen preventing forward momentum on the spiritual journey. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This time about Andrew Cohen: Making Sense of Post-Cult Trauma the Relational System of the Traumatizing Narcissist My Thirteen Years at EnlightenNext by William Yenner http://americanguru.net/news-and-reviews/making-sense-of-post-cult-trauma-the-relational-system-of-the-traumatizing-narcissist/ Amazing story, I wonder just how many groups like this there are at any one time? There ought to be a govt department keeping tabs on them all. If you include all the christian fundy cults there must be a significant shift of the nations money into the pockets of maniacs. Read a good book called Spying in guru land by William Shaw, he's a journalist who spent a year joining as many cults and secret religious/spiritual groups as he could find. Fascinating stuff, they range from multi-million pound organisations formed by early defectors from the TMO to a plumber and his girlfriend waffling shallow new age garbage in their council flat in Peckham. All of them have devoted members who will do pretty much anything to be near their teachers (and spend any amount of money). The cunning thing is the way they hide behind a screen of offering acceptable sounding relaxation techniques or just philosophy discussion classes and then they slowly reel you in to the belief system and the hidden Truth and before you know it you're standing on a hill at midnight waiting for UFO's, speaking in tongues with the master of the galaxy, or even hopping around on bits of foam thinking you are creating world peace! Nowt so queer as folk
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
More Cult News Bhairitu: The CW's new series The Cult starts on the 19th. They've been running a short 15 second or so promo during commercial breaks... You guys seem to just love being in cults and reading about cults - obsessed with the comings-and-goings of the Maharishi. Go figure. You've started your own Cult Awareness Network' (CAN). LoL! I'd be interested in hearing anything you might have heard in your studies about these guys and how they are regarded in comparison to other religions or belief systems of the time or in any time. - Unc
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
I don't think you could not be struck by the similiarties of Robin's gig. I guess, luckily for everyone, Robin's deal blew up, or perhaps more accurately, petered out. As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about financial, or sexual impropieties with Robin. It was mostly the control stuff, and emotional abuse. On the other hand, with Andrew, there wasn't any mention of the teacher taking advantage of students sexually either. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This time about Andrew Cohen: Making Sense of Post-Cult Trauma the Relational System of the Traumatizing Narcissist My Thirteen Years at EnlightenNext by William Yenner http://americanguru.net/news-and-reviews/making-sense-of-post-cult-traum\ a-the-relational-system-of-the-traumatizing-narcissist/ Amazing story, I wonder just how many groups like this there are at any one time? There ought to be a govt department keeping tabs on them all. If you include all the christian fundy cults there must be a significant shift of the nations money into the pockets of maniacs. Read a good book called Spying in guru land by William Shaw, he's a journalist who spent a year joining as many cults and secret religious/spiritual groups as he could find. Fascinating stuff, they range from multi-million pound organisations formed by early defectors from the TMO to a plumber and his girlfriend waffling shallow new age garbage in their council flat in Peckham. All of them have devoted members who will do pretty much anything to be near their teachers (and spend any amount of money). The cunning thing is the way they hide behind a screen of offering acceptable sounding relaxation techniques or just philosophy discussion classes and then they slowly reel you in to the belief system and the hidden Truth and before you know it you're standing on a hill at midnight waiting for UFO's, speaking in tongues with the master of the galaxy, or even hopping around on bits of foam thinking you are creating world peace! Nowt so queer as folk
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: I don't think you could not be struck by the similiarties of Robin's gig. I guess, luckily for everyone, Robin's deal blew up, or perhaps more accurately, petered out. As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about financial, or sexual impropieties with Robin. No? What then was the story with Caitlin and Matthew? Robins advances to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her evil power of seduction later, when she had refused to give in, when at the same time he had asked her husband Matthew to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he himself wanted to become. (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.) It was mostly the control stuff, and emotional abuse. On the other hand, with Andrew, there wasn't any mention of the teacher taking advantage of students sexually either. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This time about Andrew Cohen: Making Sense of Post-Cult Trauma the Relational System of the Traumatizing Narcissist My Thirteen Years at EnlightenNext by William Yenner http://americanguru.net/news-and-reviews/making-sense-of-post-cult-traum\ a-the-relational-system-of-the-traumatizing-narcissist/ Amazing story, I wonder just how many groups like this there are at any one time? There ought to be a govt department keeping tabs on them all. If you include all the christian fundy cults there must be a significant shift of the nations money into the pockets of maniacs. Read a good book called Spying in guru land by William Shaw, he's a journalist who spent a year joining as many cults and secret religious/spiritual groups as he could find. Fascinating stuff, they range from multi-million pound organisations formed by early defectors from the TMO to a plumber and his girlfriend waffling shallow new age garbage in their council flat in Peckham. All of them have devoted members who will do pretty much anything to be near their teachers (and spend any amount of money). The cunning thing is the way they hide behind a screen of offering acceptable sounding relaxation techniques or just philosophy discussion classes and then they slowly reel you in to the belief system and the hidden Truth and before you know it you're standing on a hill at midnight waiting for UFO's, speaking in tongues with the master of the galaxy, or even hopping around on bits of foam thinking you are creating world peace! Nowt so queer as folk
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: I don't think you could not be struck by the similiarties of Robin's gig. Possibly more apparent than real. I guess, luckily for everyone, Robin's deal blew up, or perhaps more accurately, petered out. No, it was blown up by a sensational expose in the local newspaper that was instigated by Ann in collaboration with several others of Robin's followers. As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about financial, or sexual impropieties with Robin. No? What then was the story with Caitlin and Matthew? One would think it would be a good idea to hear Robin's side of this story. He was there; Howell was not. Robins advances to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her evil power of seduction later, when she had refused to give in, when at the same time he had asked her husband Matthew to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he himself wanted to become. (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.) It was mostly the control stuff, and emotional abuse. Just a reminder that this started happening only in the final couple of years. For Robin's perspective on the ten years of this group and his role in it, you can't do better than to read the extraordinary dialogue between Robin and Ann that begins with Ann's comments on posts of Robin to Xeno and raunchy. To be fair to Robin, if one has read Cult, one should read this dialogue as well. It's quite long, but not nearly as long as Cult. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/326991 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327053 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327243 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327546 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327566 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327058 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327442 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327572
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: (snip) As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about financial, or sexual impropieties with Robin. No? What then was the story with Caitlin and Matthew? Robins advances to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her evil power of seduction later, when she had refused to give in, when at the same time he had asked her husband Matthew to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he himself wanted to become. (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.) Navashok, yesterday: It is just amazing what kind of drama is revealed in the book, going much beyond what we knew here, but I won't get into it, I don't want to stir up all the mud here once again. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334705
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about financial, or sexual impropieties with Robin. No? What then was the story with Caitlin and Matthew? Robins advances to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her evil power of seduction later, when she had refused to give in, when at the same time he had asked her husband Matthew to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he himself wanted to become. (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.) Sorry, didn't read the book. I am going by what's been reported on this site both by detractors and supporters. But even still, if this is your solitary example, it sounds a little weak. Usually the sexual improprieties tend to be a little more rampant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about financial, or sexual impropieties with Robin. No? What then was the story with Caitlin and Matthew? Robins advances to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her evil power of seduction later, when she had refused to give in, when at the same time he had asked her husband Matthew to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he himself wanted to become. (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.) Sorry, didn't read the book. I am going by what's been reported on this site both by detractors and supporters. But even still, if this is your solitary example, it sounds a little weak. Usually the sexual improprieties tend to be a little more rampant. I think you should read it, you can easily obtain a copy, I was trying to spare you the details, because I don't want to get into another dog fight here.Surely the sexual component was not the dominant with Robin, but what he tried to do with Caitlin wasn't between two consenting adults, as far as the story goes. But I wasn't there, I have to depend on what is written in the book. Just if you say there is no accusation of sexual misbehavior, it is not true, there is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: (snip I think you should read it, you can easily obtain a copy, I was trying to spare you the details, because I don't want to get into another dog fight here. You won't get into a dog fight by simply reporting what's in the book. You *are* likely to get into a dog fight if you insist what's in the book must be the objective truth and use it to attack Robin (again, in his absence, one of your particularly dishonorable tendencies).
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: (snip I think you should read it, you can easily obtain a copy, I was trying to spare you the details, because I don't want to get into another dog fight here. You won't get into a dog fight by simply reporting what's in the book. You *are* likely to get into a dog fight if you insist what's in the book must be the objective truth and use it to attack Robin (again, in his absence, one of your particularly dishonorable tendencies). I only hint what is in the book and report it. Where on earth do I insist it is true? The book is there for all to read. It is your insinuations, pure fantasy by you, that is dishonest. It can't be a taboo talking about this, and I am not bringing it up from my site, I am just reacting to what Steve said. Nor do I get after you, as you continuously insinuate. If you are honest you will have to acknowledge this. And yes, I have no reason to believe that Bill Howell is not saying the truth. You may disagree, that's okay.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: (snip I think you should read it, you can easily obtain a copy, I was trying to spare you the details, because I don't want to get into another dog fight here. You won't get into a dog fight by simply reporting what's in the book. You *are* likely to get into a dog fight if you insist what's in the book must be the objective truth and use it to attack Robin (again, in his absence, one of your particularly dishonorable tendencies). I only hint what is in the book and report it. Where on earth do I insist it is true? In your post to Steve, you reported the Caitlin incident as if it were factual (although you backed off after I pointed out that we didn't have Robin's side of the story). The book is there for all to read. It is your insinuations, pure fantasy by you, that is dishonest. Oh, which insinuations were those, navashok? It can't be a taboo talking about this, Of course not. Nowhere did I suggest it was. I was addressing your silly contention that you'd get into a dog fight if you mentioned any details. and I am not bringing it up from my site, (Side, not site.) Again, I didn't say you were. I am just reacting to what Steve said. Nor do I get after you, as you continuously insinuate. If you are honest you will have to acknowledge this. If you are honest, you'll have to acknowledge that you have been doing precisely this since I called you on your psychiatric pseudo-diagnosis of Robin last December. (And I don't insinuate this, I say it right up front.) And yes, I have no reason to believe that Bill Howell is not saying the truth. You have no reason to believe he is telling the truth either, other than your antipathy toward Robin. You may disagree, that's okay. Much more importantly, does Robin disagree? When he commented on the book, Robin was surprisingly generous toward Howell; he didn't accuse him of lying. He did say his own memory differed from Howell's in several factual respects (he didn't say what they were). But he also indicated he felt Howell's overall presentation, albeit sincere, was significantly skewed. I cited an amazing discussion between Ann and Robin in which Robin gave his perspective on it all. Of course, far be it from you to read that discussion for balance. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/326991 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327053 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327243 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327546 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327566 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327058 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327442 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327572
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: I don't think you could not be struck by the similiarties of Robin's gig. Possibly more apparent than real. I guess, luckily for everyone, Robin's deal blew up, or perhaps more accurately, petered out. No, it was blown up by a sensational expose in the local newspaper that was instigated by Ann in collaboration with several others of Robin's followers. It would be interesting, for me at least, to know just how this played out, because so often, exposes such as this have little effect. I mean Andrew Cohen being one example. He seems to be doing okay as far as I know. You know, they chalk it up to disaffected students, who fell out of favor with the teacher. As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about financial, or sexual impropieties with Robin. No? What then was the story with Caitlin and Matthew? One would think it would be a good idea to hear Robin's side of this story. He was there; Howell was not. Robins advances to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her evil power of seduction later, when she had refused to give in, when at the same time he had asked her husband Matthew to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he himself wanted to become. (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.) It was mostly the control stuff, and emotional abuse. Just a reminder that this started happening only in the final couple of years. For Robin's perspective on the ten years of this group and his role in it, you can't do better than to read the extraordinary dialogue between Robin and Ann that begins with Ann's comments on posts of Robin to Xeno and raunchy. To be fair to Robin, if one has read Cult, one should read this dialogue as well. It's quite long, but not nearly as long as Cult. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/326991 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327053 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327243 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327546 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327566 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327058 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327442 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327572
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: (snip I think you should read it, you can easily obtain a copy, I was trying to spare you the details, because I don't want to get into another dog fight here. You won't get into a dog fight by simply reporting what's in the book. You *are* likely to get into a dog fight if you insist what's in the book must be the objective truth and use it to attack Robin (again, in his absence, one of your particularly dishonorable tendencies). I only hint what is in the book and report it. Where on earth do I insist it is true? In your post to Steve, you reported the Caitlin incident as if it were factual (although you backed off after I pointed out that we didn't have Robin's side of the story). You have to first read what Steve wrote: Steve said: 'you do not hear complaints about financial, or sexual impropieties' Factually this is wrong because we hear about complaints of sexual improprieties in the book the CULT. That there are complaints IS a fact. If these complains correspond to the actual truth is up to everybody's belief. The book is there for all to read. It is your insinuations, pure fantasy by you, that is dishonest. Oh, which insinuations were those, navashok? It can't be a taboo talking about this, Of course not. Nowhere did I suggest it was. I was addressing your silly contention that you'd get into a dog fight if you mentioned any details. and I am not bringing it up from my site, (Side, not site.) Again, I didn't say you were. I am just reacting to what Steve said. Nor do I get after you, as you continuously insinuate. If you are honest you will have to acknowledge this. If you are honest, you'll have to acknowledge that you have been doing precisely this since I called you on your psychiatric pseudo-diagnosis of Robin last December. I haven't. Just now, it was you responding to what I reported and making a couple of unfounded insinuations, like my supposed antipathy toward Robin. Right now, and visible to everybody, it is YOU getting after me, just because I have dared to mention Robin. It is like you are ready to jump any time. (And I don't insinuate this, I say it right up front.) And yes, I have no reason to believe that Bill Howell is not saying the truth. You have no reason to believe he is telling the truth either, other than your antipathy toward Robin. You have no reason to believe I have any antipathy toward Robin. I have no agenda with him, this is just your fantasy. You may disagree, that's okay. Much more importantly, does Robin disagree? But he didn't even read so far, he stopped after page 80 or so. There are hardly any revelations up to this page. When he commented on the book, Robin was surprisingly generous toward Howell; he didn't accuse him of lying. He did say his own memory differed from Howell's in several factual respects (he didn't say what they were). But he also indicated he felt Howell's overall presentation, albeit sincere, was significantly skewed. I cited an amazing discussion between Ann and Robin in which Robin gave his perspective on it all. Of course, far be it from you to read that discussion for balance. Well, Robin didn't even read the book which is all about him. He didn't really care to know, how what he did was reflected in the lives of the people who spend decades with him, and how they had to struggle to come to terms with it. I wish him the best and peace nevertheless, but I will give him no special credit over what others report here. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/326991 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327053 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327243 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327546 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327566 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327058 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327442 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327572
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: (snip) I guess, luckily for everyone, Robin's deal blew up, or perhaps more accurately, petered out. No, it was blown up by a sensational expose in the local newspaper that was instigated by Ann in collaboration with several others of Robin's followers. It would be interesting, for me at least, to know just how this played out, because so often, exposes such as this have little effect. I mean Andrew Cohen being one example. He seems to be doing okay as far as I know. You know, they chalk it up to disaffected students, who fell out of favor with the teacher. Robin had to close up shop and left town (Vancouver) after the expose came out. Unlike Cohen, Robin had the courage and honesty to realize he had gone off the rails--not immediately, but not long thereafter. He then withdrew from all but one of his former associates and friends and spent the next 25 years working on himself with the assistance of this one friend, an exceptionally painful process, according to him, that he almost didn't survive. (This is all based on what he's said here in his posts.) He had come out of that isolation only a few months before he showed up on FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: (snip) I think you should read it, you can easily obtain a copy, I was trying to spare you the details, because I don't want to get into another dog fight here. You won't get into a dog fight by simply reporting what's in the book. You *are* likely to get into a dog fight if you insist what's in the book must be the objective truth and use it to attack Robin (again, in his absence, one of your particularly dishonorable tendencies). I only hint what is in the book and report it. Where on earth do I insist it is true? In your post to Steve, you reported the Caitlin incident as if it were factual (although you backed off after I pointed out that we didn't have Robin's side of the story). You have to first read what Steve wrote: Steve said: 'you do not hear complaints about financial, or sexual impropieties' I know what Steve wrote. Here's what *you* wrote: Robins advances to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her evil power of seduction later, when she had refused to give in, when at the same time he had asked her husband Matthew to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he himself wanted to become. (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.) As I said, you reported it as if it were factual. Factually this is wrong because we hear about complaints of sexual improprieties in the book the CULT. That there are complaints IS a fact. Right, I never suggested otherwise. If these complains correspond to the actual truth is up to everybody's belief. Right. The book is there for all to read. It is your insinuations, pure fantasy by you, that is dishonest. Oh, which insinuations were those, navashok? It can't be a taboo talking about this, Of course not. Nowhere did I suggest it was. I was addressing your silly contention that you'd get into a dog fight if you mentioned any details. and I am not bringing it up from my site, (Side, not site.) Again, I didn't say you were. I am just reacting to what Steve said. Nor do I get after you, as you continuously insinuate. If you are honest you will have to acknowledge this. If you are honest, you'll have to acknowledge that you have been doing precisely this since I called you on your psychiatric pseudo-diagnosis of Robin last December. I haven't. Yes, navashok, you have. Just now, it was you responding to what I reported That's right. and making a couple of unfounded insinuations, like my supposed antipathy toward Robin. You need to check the meaning of insinuation. I didn't *insinuate* that you had antipathy toward Robin, I said it right out. (Or perhaps you use the word insinuate to falsely suggest sneakiness on my part.) You haven't exactly hidden your antipathy toward Robin. It's been evident for quite some time. Right now, and visible to everybody, it is YOU getting after me, just because I have dared to mention Robin. It was because you described the Caitlin incident as if it were established fact, not because you dared to mention Robin. Also because of your absurd claim that you didn't want to start a dog fight by mentioning details from the book, all the while hinting darkly that about the terrible things that were in it. It is like you are ready to jump any time. Only when you misbehave. (And I don't insinuate this, I say it right up front.) And yes, I have no reason to believe that Bill Howell is not saying the truth. You have no reason to believe he is telling the truth either, other than your antipathy toward Robin. You have no reason to believe I have any antipathy toward Robin. I have no agenda with him, this is just your fantasy. No, it's not. Your denial is dishonest. You may disagree, that's okay. Much more importantly, does Robin disagree? But he didn't even read so far, he stopped after page 80 or so. There are hardly any revelations up to this page. (He also read the Epilogue.) I'm not sure what revelations have to do with this. That's a red herring you've thrown in. When he commented on the book, Robin was surprisingly generous toward Howell; he didn't accuse him of lying. He did say his own memory differed from Howell's in several factual respects (he didn't say what they were). But he also indicated he felt Howell's overall presentation, albeit sincere, was significantly skewed. I cited an amazing discussion between Ann and Robin in which Robin gave his perspective on it all. Of course, far be it from you to read that discussion for balance. Well, Robin didn't even read the book which is all about him. He didn't really care to know, how what he did was reflected in the lives of the people who spend decades with him, The group only *lasted* 10 years, not
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: It would be interesting, for me at least, to know just how this played out, because so often, exposes such as this have little effect. I mean Andrew Cohen being one example. He seems to be doing okay as far as I know. You know, they chalk it up to disaffected students, who fell out of favor with the teacher. Robin had to close up shop and left town (Vancouver) after the expose came out. Unlike Cohen, Robin had the courage and honesty to realize he had gone off the rails--not immediately, but not long thereafter. He then withdrew from all but one of his former associates and friends and spent the next 25 years working on himself with the assistance of this one friend, an exceptionally painful process, according to him, that he almost didn't survive. (This is all based on what he's said here in his posts.) He had come out of that isolation only a few months before he showed up on FFL. Ok, thanks for timeline.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about financial, or sexual impropieties with Robin. No? What then was the story with Caitlin and Matthew? Robins advances to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her evil power of seduction later, when she had refused to give in, when at the same time he had asked her husband Matthew to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he himself wanted to become. (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.) Sorry, didn't read the book. I am going by what's been reported on this site both by detractors and supporters. But even still, if this is your solitary example, it sounds a little weak. Usually the sexual improprieties tend to be a little more rampant. I think you should read it, you can easily obtain a copy, I was trying to spare you the details, because I don't want to get into another dog fight here.Surely the sexual component was not the dominant with Robin, but what he tried to do with Caitlin wasn't between two consenting adults, as far as the story goes. But I wasn't there, I have to depend on what is written in the book. Just if you say there is no accusation of sexual misbehavior, it is not true, there is. I can pretty much tell you straight out that Robin was no sexual predator. There was no sexual exploitation, activity, innuendo, occurrence or suggestion between Robin and the rest of us. What he did behind closed doors with his girlfriend, later to become his wife, was private and confined to the privacy of his home. Not only did he not touch anyone physically I never caught a single vibe from him that suggested any sort of come on or flirtation let alone invitation to his boudoir. Sorry if that is not what you wanted to hear but that is that. Whatever occurred in that Chicago hotel room between him and the woman there will only truly be known to them and I think they have both moved on. It was at the end of days and was very out of character for the Robin we all knew.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Christmas Stories
Heh. Hit the nail on the head (no sexual pun intended, unless you want it to be.) haha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: No madam, it's quite healthy for males to have periodical sexual thoughts and fantasies but Barry shows abnormally unhealthy levels of these - his whole philosophy, shtick seems to be based on that - very stunted, twisted and sick almost - it doesn't look like he had any meaningful, healthy relationships with women, quite disrespectful - he makes me wanna throw up. On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@...wrote: ** Typical males - obsessed with their own organs, the functionality and size of these organs, whether women are faking it or not, and how they can get a virgin. Wait, am I reading too little into this? -- *From:* turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:09 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] More Christmas Stories --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Wow that poster in NYC proved it really IS the Age of Enlightenment. Thanks for posting that. Thought you'd like it. :-) snippus interruptus, cutting to the...uh...climax) Speaking of that [the mythology of Christmas] I was considering how consensual the whole Holy Ghost hook-up was back in the day...I mean if a boss comes on to an employee we cry foul and bust him for coercion. I think the whole Mary story is ripe for a feminist retelling as a tragedy. What choice did she really have when the creepy uncle of the Triune God made a play for her? Did he during what must have been a fairly clumsy seduction remind her of what he did to the dinosaurs, or was it like the greatest Justin Bieber concert display but in the end he takes her back to the dressing room? Did he at least let her finish or was it just a typical wham bam thank you mam? Did she feel obliged to fake it to sooth his monstrous ego. Oh baby, that was divine! These are the questions that swirl around my head as I gaze on my nativity. Did Mary know what he son was headed for when she signed up her uterus for this project, or was it presented like a Hollywood script with a lot of pages at the end with TBD at the top? Did her youth and inexperience, her cultural deference to men limit her ability to ask how it all ends before she signed on? What if she had told him she had a headache that night, would he have been a gentleman? And having been around a few babies in my time, when Mary changed his diaper did even the Oxen rear up their heads and lumber out of the manger grunting damn that holy guacamole is nasty! While your version of the Christmas Story is far more entertaining than most, I have to log in as saying that it still sets off my inner Occam's Razor Detector a tad too much. The reason is that it riffs off of, but still relies on, Mary's version of the Immaculate Conception. That is, that there actually *was* a human-ghost get-it-on. While there may be some anecdotal evidence of women who said that they were raped by non-physical beings, there is not a lot of evidence of anyone getting knocked up as the result of such an astral assignation. So Occam's Razor tells me that there must be a simpler -- and thus more likely -- explanation for her pregnancy. My theory revolves around the somewhat curious fact that Mary is continually referred to as a virgin. This despite the fact that she's married to this older guy, Joseph. What's up with that? Are we to assume that Joseph didn't diddle Mary because he was psychically seeing Jesus coming and didn't want to mess with a good myth? Or is it more likely that Joseph, as nice a guy as he may have been, was a little weak in the willy. A bit of erectile dysfunction, if you get what I mean. Voila. The problem of Mary's lingering virginity is solved -- Joe just couldn't get it up. So what's a young married babe (and you've seen the paint- ings of Mary...she *was* a babe) to do? She's stuck in what was probably an arranged marriage with this old fuck, and because he can't get it up she's deprived of even the sensual benefits of marriage. At this point Lem, the dim-witted but handsome and hunky stableboy next door starts looking better and better. So one day, while carpenter Joseph is off cutting wood instead of springing it, Mary sneaks next door and gets it on with Lem. You may assume that this indiscretion repeated itself or that it was a one-afternoon stand, depending on how religious you are, but eventually it resulted in Mary getting good and knocked up. So she's gotta tell Joe. What to do, what to do? Should Mary tell him the truth, and make him feel even shittier about his wilted
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Christmas Stories
I think you were writing this as I was riffing on a similar thing. In Catholic theology the immaculate conception is not about Mary being a virgin, but being uniquely born without original sin and therefor able to bear Jesus. So the jury is still out on Joseph's mojo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Wow that poster in NYC proved it really IS the Age of Enlightenment. Thanks for posting that. Thought you'd like it. :-) snippus interruptus, cutting to the...uh...climax) Speaking of that [the mythology of Christmas] I was considering how consensual the whole Holy Ghost hook-up was back in the day...I mean if a boss comes on to an employee we cry foul and bust him for coercion. I think the whole Mary story is ripe for a feminist retelling as a tragedy. What choice did she really have when the creepy uncle of the Triune God made a play for her? Did he during what must have been a fairly clumsy seduction remind her of what he did to the dinosaurs, or was it like the greatest Justin Bieber concert display but in the end he takes her back to the dressing room? Did he at least let her finish or was it just a typical wham bam thank you mam? Did she feel obliged to fake it to sooth his monstrous ego. Oh baby, that was divine! These are the questions that swirl around my head as I gaze on my nativity. Did Mary know what he son was headed for when she signed up her uterus for this project, or was it presented like a Hollywood script with a lot of pages at the end with TBD at the top? Did her youth and inexperience, her cultural deference to men limit her ability to ask how it all ends before she signed on? What if she had told him she had a headache that night, would he have been a gentleman? And having been around a few babies in my time, when Mary changed his diaper did even the Oxen rear up their heads and lumber out of the manger grunting damn that holy guacamole is nasty! While your version of the Christmas Story is far more entertaining than most, I have to log in as saying that it still sets off my inner Occam's Razor Detector a tad too much. The reason is that it riffs off of, but still relies on, Mary's version of the Immaculate Conception. That is, that there actually *was* a human-ghost get-it-on. While there may be some anecdotal evidence of women who said that they were raped by non-physical beings, there is not a lot of evidence of anyone getting knocked up as the result of such an astral assignation. So Occam's Razor tells me that there must be a simpler -- and thus more likely -- explanation for her pregnancy. My theory revolves around the somewhat curious fact that Mary is continually referred to as a virgin. This despite the fact that she's married to this older guy, Joseph. What's up with that? Are we to assume that Joseph didn't diddle Mary because he was psychically seeing Jesus coming and didn't want to mess with a good myth? Or is it more likely that Joseph, as nice a guy as he may have been, was a little weak in the willy. A bit of erectile dysfunction, if you get what I mean. Voila. The problem of Mary's lingering virginity is solved -- Joe just couldn't get it up. So what's a young married babe (and you've seen the paint- ings of Mary...she *was* a babe) to do? She's stuck in what was probably an arranged marriage with this old fuck, and because he can't get it up she's deprived of even the sensual benefits of marriage. At this point Lem, the dim-witted but handsome and hunky stableboy next door starts looking better and better. So one day, while carpenter Joseph is off cutting wood instead of springing it, Mary sneaks next door and gets it on with Lem. You may assume that this indiscretion repeated itself or that it was a one-afternoon stand, depending on how religious you are, but eventually it resulted in Mary getting good and knocked up. So she's gotta tell Joe. What to do, what to do? Should Mary tell him the truth, and make him feel even shittier about his wilted willy than he already does? So she thinks, Maybe I'll spare him all that pain and just make up some outlandish story about getting knocked up by God. Voila, Mary's version of the Immaculate Conception. I like this theory because it kinda leaves Joseph a nice, if cuckolded, guy and Mary is easy to develop compassion for because she was trying to spare his feelings. Plus, it suits the Occam's Razor the simplest explanation is the most likely explanation criterion. The only problem with this theory is that now we've got to develop a whole mythology around Lem. It was *his* genes that went on to become Jesus and change the world, after all. Isn't it time Lem had his own church?
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Christmas Stories
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I think you were writing this as I was riffing on a similar thing. That's just SO Woo Woo. Maybe what Jimbo meant when he talked about things we send each other privately was that we're in constant psychic communication. Either that or that our senses of humor are similarly warped. :-) In Catholic theology the immaculate conception is not about Mary being a virgin, but being uniquely born without original sin and therefor able to bear Jesus. So the jury is still out on Joseph's mojo. Catholic theology strikes me as a little light in the loafers there, dude. They're overlooking how easy it is for a person to be born without original sin. All they have to do is not be born Catholic, and thus become prey to all that guilt indoctrination. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Wow that poster in NYC proved it really IS the Age of Enlightenment. Thanks for posting that. Thought you'd like it. :-) snippus interruptus, cutting to the...uh...climax) Speaking of that [the mythology of Christmas] I was considering how consensual the whole Holy Ghost hook-up was back in the day...I mean if a boss comes on to an employee we cry foul and bust him for coercion. I think the whole Mary story is ripe for a feminist retelling as a tragedy. What choice did she really have when the creepy uncle of the Triune God made a play for her? Did he during what must have been a fairly clumsy seduction remind her of what he did to the dinosaurs, or was it like the greatest Justin Bieber concert display but in the end he takes her back to the dressing room? Did he at least let her finish or was it just a typical wham bam thank you mam? Did she feel obliged to fake it to sooth his monstrous ego. Oh baby, that was divine! These are the questions that swirl around my head as I gaze on my nativity. Did Mary know what he son was headed for when she signed up her uterus for this project, or was it presented like a Hollywood script with a lot of pages at the end with TBD at the top? Did her youth and inexperience, her cultural deference to men limit her ability to ask how it all ends before she signed on? What if she had told him she had a headache that night, would he have been a gentleman? And having been around a few babies in my time, when Mary changed his diaper did even the Oxen rear up their heads and lumber out of the manger grunting damn that holy guacamole is nasty! While your version of the Christmas Story is far more entertaining than most, I have to log in as saying that it still sets off my inner Occam's Razor Detector a tad too much. The reason is that it riffs off of, but still relies on, Mary's version of the Immaculate Conception. That is, that there actually *was* a human-ghost get-it-on. While there may be some anecdotal evidence of women who said that they were raped by non-physical beings, there is not a lot of evidence of anyone getting knocked up as the result of such an astral assignation. So Occam's Razor tells me that there must be a simpler -- and thus more likely -- explanation for her pregnancy. My theory revolves around the somewhat curious fact that Mary is continually referred to as a virgin. This despite the fact that she's married to this older guy, Joseph. What's up with that? Are we to assume that Joseph didn't diddle Mary because he was psychically seeing Jesus coming and didn't want to mess with a good myth? Or is it more likely that Joseph, as nice a guy as he may have been, was a little weak in the willy. A bit of erectile dysfunction, if you get what I mean. Voila. The problem of Mary's lingering virginity is solved -- Joe just couldn't get it up. So what's a young married babe (and you've seen the paint- ings of Mary...she *was* a babe) to do? She's stuck in what was probably an arranged marriage with this old fuck, and because he can't get it up she's deprived of even the sensual benefits of marriage. At this point Lem, the dim-witted but handsome and hunky stableboy next door starts looking better and better. So one day, while carpenter Joseph is off cutting wood instead of springing it, Mary sneaks next door and gets it on with Lem. You may assume that this indiscretion repeated itself or that it was a one-afternoon stand, depending on how religious you are, but eventually it resulted in Mary getting good and knocked up. So she's gotta tell Joe. What to do, what to do? Should Mary tell him the truth, and make him feel even shittier about his wilted willy than he already does? So she thinks, Maybe I'll spare him all that pain
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Christmas Stories
My theory revolves around the somewhat curious fact that Mary is continually referred to as a virgin. This despite the fact that she's married to this older guy, Joseph. What's up with that? Are we to assume that Joseph didn't diddle Mary because he was psychically seeing Jesus coming and didn't want to mess with a good myth? Or is it more likely that Joseph, as nice a guy as he may have been, was a little weak in the willy. A bit of erectile dysfunction, if you get what I mean. Voila. The problem of Mary's lingering virginity is solved -- Joe just couldn't get it up. So what's a young married babe (and you've seen the paint- ings of Mary...she *was* a babe) to do? She's stuck in what was probably an arranged marriage with this old fuck, and because he can't get it up she's deprived of even the sensual benefits of marriage. This is what I mean, Barry, you are full of your fantasies. You, a perennially single guy, mention marriage *four times* in the imaginings above. You, who cannot sustain lasting relationships with women, are commenting on...MARRIAGE?! This is just like your fantasies on TM, which you abstained from quite a while ago. My (unasked for) advice? Stick to what'cha know. Otherwise, you just come across as a phony. Oh, wait. You already do. Anyway, clean up your act, and we'll all get along fine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Wow that poster in NYC proved it really IS the Age of Enlightenment. Thanks for posting that. Thought you'd like it. :-) snippus interruptus, cutting to the...uh...climax) Speaking of that [the mythology of Christmas] I was considering how consensual the whole Holy Ghost hook-up was back in the day...I mean if a boss comes on to an employee we cry foul and bust him for coercion. I think the whole Mary story is ripe for a feminist retelling as a tragedy. What choice did she really have when the creepy uncle of the Triune God made a play for her? Did he during what must have been a fairly clumsy seduction remind her of what he did to the dinosaurs, or was it like the greatest Justin Bieber concert display but in the end he takes her back to the dressing room? Did he at least let her finish or was it just a typical wham bam thank you mam? Did she feel obliged to fake it to sooth his monstrous ego. Oh baby, that was divine! These are the questions that swirl around my head as I gaze on my nativity. Did Mary know what he son was headed for when she signed up her uterus for this project, or was it presented like a Hollywood script with a lot of pages at the end with TBD at the top? Did her youth and inexperience, her cultural deference to men limit her ability to ask how it all ends before she signed on? What if she had told him she had a headache that night, would he have been a gentleman? And having been around a few babies in my time, when Mary changed his diaper did even the Oxen rear up their heads and lumber out of the manger grunting damn that holy guacamole is nasty! While your version of the Christmas Story is far more entertaining than most, I have to log in as saying that it still sets off my inner Occam's Razor Detector a tad too much. The reason is that it riffs off of, but still relies on, Mary's version of the Immaculate Conception. That is, that there actually *was* a human-ghost get-it-on. While there may be some anecdotal evidence of women who said that they were raped by non-physical beings, there is not a lot of evidence of anyone getting knocked up as the result of such an astral assignation. So Occam's Razor tells me that there must be a simpler -- and thus more likely -- explanation for her pregnancy. My theory revolves around the somewhat curious fact that Mary is continually referred to as a virgin. This despite the fact that she's married to this older guy, Joseph. What's up with that? Are we to assume that Joseph didn't diddle Mary because he was psychically seeing Jesus coming and didn't want to mess with a good myth? Or is it more likely that Joseph, as nice a guy as he may have been, was a little weak in the willy. A bit of erectile dysfunction, if you get what I mean. Voila. The problem of Mary's lingering virginity is solved -- Joe just couldn't get it up. So what's a young married babe (and you've seen the paint- ings of Mary...she *was* a babe) to do? She's stuck in what was probably an arranged marriage with this old fuck, and because he can't get it up she's deprived of even the sensual benefits of marriage. At this point Lem, the dim-witted but handsome and hunky stableboy next door starts looking better and better. So one day, while carpenter Joseph is off cutting wood instead of springing it, Mary sneaks next door and gets it on with Lem. You
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
Raving Yogi Why bother indeed! You're such a drama queen. You are already Lucia - only without the knife. Just remember ... no matter how much you claim to love your Diva (cognate with deva) she'll fry you with onions for sheer entertainment if you become too much of a lunatickle. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Anyone actually watch it? Stop begging empty baby - this habit of yours is highly irritating - OK? I am not going to watch it. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:46 PM, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: ** Wonderful performances everyone. What brilliant addendums to the vocal ornamentations of Donizetti's Lucia. You all are of the highest literary amplitude by recreating the mad scene right here on FFL. And by the way. Remember that video the Judy was praising? Anyone actually watch it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hah! Yeah ⦠she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Oh yeah? Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ... it also is so hot. No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera singerââ¬â¢s repertoire, donââ¬â¢t you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I Itââ¬â¢s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. Itââ¬â¢s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. Itââ¬â¢s Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though. Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di Tito at the weekend. She is so hot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, sing the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
Anyone actually watch it? Stop begging empty baby - this habit of yours is highly irritating - OK? I am not going to watch it. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:46 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Wonderful performances everyone. What brilliant addendums to the vocal ornamentations of Donizetti's Lucia. You all are of the highest literary amplitude by recreating the mad scene right here on FFL. And by the way. Remember that video the Judy was praising? Anyone actually watch it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hah! Yeah … she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Oh yeah? Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ... it also is so hot. No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera singer’s repertoire, don’t you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I It’s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. It’s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. It’s Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though. Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di Tito at the weekend. She is so hot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, sing the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song. No wonder men are so easily spellbound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw Also, Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance in the palace at St. Petersburg (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
Just for fun, given Judy's claim of being offended by anything less than total historical accuracy... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: And with regard to the Mad Scene woman emptybill was talking about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and she has gone insane with grief. Real tricky on the woman's part, huh? There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he kills himself. The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th century Scotland. First, this is inaccurate. The opera is based on Sir Walter Scott's novel The Bride of Lammermoor. Scott at one point *claimed* that it was based on historical fact, but that seems not to have been true. From Wikipedia: The next five years of Stair's [Sir James Dalrymple's] life were comparatively uneventful, but in 1669 a family calamity, the exact facts of which will probably never be ascertained, overtook him. His daughter Janet, who had been betrothed to Lord Rutherfurd, was married to Dunbar of Baldoon, and some tragic incident occurred on the wedding night, from the effects of which she never recovered. As the traditions vary on the central fact, whether it was the bride who stabbed her husband, or the husband who stabbed the bride, no credence can be given to the mass of superstitions and spiteful slander http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander which surrounded it, principally leveled at Lady Stair. Sir Walter Scott http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Walter_Scott took the plot of his Bride of Lammermoor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_of_Lammermoor from this incident, but he disclaimed any intention of making Lord Stair the basis for Sir William Ashton. Second, now that Judy's description of the opera as being based on real events has been shown to be... uh...less than factual, can we expect her anytime soon to rag on it? That's what she did for the movie she never bothered to see when she found out that it was less than 100% historically accurate, after all. :-) Will she post a nasty putdown of the opera, claiming that either Sir Walter Scott or Gaetano Donizetti were Christian bigots trying to misrepresent true history? Only time will tell... :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
Barry is being compelled by some strange self- destructive impulse to behave like a brainless buffoon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Just for fun, given Judy's claim of being offended by anything less than total historical accuracy... :-) I never made any such claim. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And with regard to the Mad Scene woman emptybill was talking about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and she has gone insane with grief. Real tricky on the woman's part, huh? There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he kills himself. The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th century Scotland. First, this is inaccurate. The opera is based on Sir Walter Scott's novel The Bride of Lammermoor. Scott at one point *claimed* that it was based on historical fact, but that seems not to have been true. From Wikipedia: Actually, if you check out Wikipedia on The Bride of Lammermoor, you'll find that the novel, albeit fictional, is closely modeled on the historical events. The only area of real uncertainty historically is exactly what happened in the bridal chamber on the couple's wedding night: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bride_of_Lammermoor Barry didn't give a link for what he quoted. That's because he had to go rather far afield to find anything on Wikipedia that called in question any of the historical basis for the opera: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscount_Stair snip Second, now that Judy's description of the opera as being based on real events has been shown to be... uh...less than factual, The opera Lucia di Lammermoor certainly takes some liberties with the plot of the novel, but given that the novel is fairly accurate historically, it's entirely reasonable to say the opera is based on real events. (Based on does not imply 100 percent historical accuracy, but Barry knew that.) The point in context, of course, is the subjugation and oppression of women, specifically here with regard to arranged marriages. can we expect her anytime soon to rag on it? That's what she did for the movie she never bothered to see when she found out that it was less than 100% historically accurate, after all. :-) Will she post a nasty putdown of the opera, claiming that either Sir Walter Scott or Gaetano Donizetti were Christian bigots trying to misrepresent true history? Christianity came into this where, exactly? (Anybody who doesn't understand why Barry's contorted effort here is laughable--even if he were correct about the historical issues, which he isn't--let me know, and I'll be happy to explain.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:21 AM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Raving Yogi Why bother indeed! You're such a drama queen. You are already Lucia - only without the knife. Just remember ... no matter how much you claim to love your Diva (cognate with deva) she'll fry you with onions for sheer entertainment if you become too much of a lunatickle. Devi loves being lunatickled empty baby and no one can lunatickle her like me. I'm her real source of entertainment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Anyone actually watch it? Stop begging empty baby - this habit of yours is highly irritating - OK? I am not going to watch it. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:46 PM, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: ** Wonderful performances everyone. What brilliant addendums to the vocal ornamentations of Donizetti's Lucia. You all are of the highest literary amplitude by recreating the mad scene right here on FFL. And by the way. Remember that video the Judy was praising?
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Barry is being compelled by some strange self- destructive impulse to behave like a brainless buffoon. Barry is compelled by his frustration with you, your mind, the very person you are Judy. You drive him crazy. He just can't help himself. He HAS to read your posts, he HAS to stand ready to jump in when he feels there is an opening to undermine, call you out, find the achilles heel where there may or may not be one. He seems, frankly, obsessed with you but there is even more than that. He seems to relish the prospect of cutting the legs out from under those who are smarter, have a bigger vision or are just plain nicer than he is. In some strange way you are his muse, or at least his motivation to get out of bed in the morning. He has a lot to thank you for. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Just for fun, given Judy's claim of being offended by anything less than total historical accuracy... :-) I never made any such claim. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And with regard to the Mad Scene woman emptybill was talking about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and she has gone insane with grief. Real tricky on the woman's part, huh? There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he kills himself. The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th century Scotland. First, this is inaccurate. The opera is based on Sir Walter Scott's novel The Bride of Lammermoor. Scott at one point *claimed* that it was based on historical fact, but that seems not to have been true. From Wikipedia: Actually, if you check out Wikipedia on The Bride of Lammermoor, you'll find that the novel, albeit fictional, is closely modeled on the historical events. The only area of real uncertainty historically is exactly what happened in the bridal chamber on the couple's wedding night: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bride_of_Lammermoor Barry didn't give a link for what he quoted. That's because he had to go rather far afield to find anything on Wikipedia that called in question any of the historical basis for the opera: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscount_Stair snip Second, now that Judy's description of the opera as being based on real events has been shown to be... uh...less than factual, The opera Lucia di Lammermoor certainly takes some liberties with the plot of the novel, but given that the novel is fairly accurate historically, it's entirely reasonable to say the opera is based on real events. (Based on does not imply 100 percent historical accuracy, but Barry knew that.) The point in context, of course, is the subjugation and oppression of women, specifically here with regard to arranged marriages. can we expect her anytime soon to rag on it? That's what she did for the movie she never bothered to see when she found out that it was less than 100% historically accurate, after all. :-) Will she post a nasty putdown of the opera, claiming that either Sir Walter Scott or Gaetano Donizetti were Christian bigots trying to misrepresent true history? Christianity came into this where, exactly? (Anybody who doesn't understand why Barry's contorted effort here is laughable--even if he were correct about the historical issues, which he isn't--let me know, and I'll be happy to explain.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination. If only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-: From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hah! Yeah … she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Oh yeah? Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ... it also is so hot. No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera singer’s repertoire, don’t you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I It’s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. It’s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. It’s Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though. Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di Tito at the weekend. She is so hot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, sing the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song. No wonder men are so easily spellbound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw Also
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
Right. In this case, though, since the woman in question goes insane, murders the man she has just married, and then dies herself, not only are there no young to be protected, there never *will* be any young to be protected by her dirty fighting. It's always a good idea to view a video before one comments on it, lest one make a complete fool of oneself. (Although the words mad scene should perhaps have been a clue...) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination. If only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:  From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hah! Yeah ⦠she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Oh yeah? Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ... it also is so hot. No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera singerââ¬â¢s repertoire, donââ¬â¢t you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I Itââ¬â¢s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. Itââ¬â¢s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. Itââ¬â¢s Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics into one descriptive word like dirty is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex.  We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been present. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination. If only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:  Yessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. Can you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? Now ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be fine. If you find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there just weren't enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hah! Yeah ⦠she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Oh yeah? Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ... it also is so hot. No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a noninflammatory way. Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future. Ann, neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting. Which I thought, albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics into one descriptive word like dirty is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex.  We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been present. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination. If only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:  Yessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. Can you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? Now ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be fine. If you find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there just weren't enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hah! Yeah … she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Oh yeah
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (in this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. snip Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex. That's OK, he's an expert and a wise other. And with regard to the Mad Scene woman emptybill was talking about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and she has gone insane with grief. Real tricky on the woman's part, huh? There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he kills himself. The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th century Scotland.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
Do you think you have communicated with Ann and me here, Share? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a noninflammatory way. Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future. Ann, neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting. Which I thought, albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics into one descriptive word like dirty is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex. àWe had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been present. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.àIf only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:ààYessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. Can you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? Now ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be fine. If you find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there just weren't enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar. From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hah! Yeah ââ¬Â¦ she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
And with regard to the Mad Scene woman emptybill was talking about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and she has gone insane with grief. Real tricky on the woman's part, huh? There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he kills himself. The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th century Scotland. And people wonder why I prefer the relatively upbeat, comparatively happy themes of country music to opera. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a noninflammatory way. Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future. Ann, neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting. Which I thought, albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics into one descriptive word like dirty is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex. àWe had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been present. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.àIf only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:ààYessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. Can you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? Now ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be fine. If you find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there just weren't enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar. From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hah! Yeah ââ¬Â¦ she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here, that Judy did not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked a question, didn't make a statement, and the question was did Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. Take a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and are reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a noninflammatory way. Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future. Ann, neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting. Which I thought, albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics into one descriptive word like dirty is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex. àWe had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been present. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.àIf only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:ààYessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. Can you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? Now ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be fine. If you find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there just weren't enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar. From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here, that Judy did not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked a question, didn't make a statement, and the question was did Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. Take a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and are reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready. I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
Correct. Wolf didn't bother to read the relevant post, so she made a fool of herself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here, that Judy did not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked a question, didn't make a statement, and the question was did Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. Take a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and are reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready. I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Yeah, sorry, but she did make a fool of herself, in two ways. First, she didn't make any effort to find out what the video was that emptybill was talking about and just jumped in with something wildly inappropriate to the context. And second, what she was babbling about was, on its own terms (as Ann explained), stupidly chauvinistic, a dopey notion she picked up without asking herself if it made any sense. This wasn't the most egregious instance by any means of her making a fool of herself, but it *was* typical. If you really want the best for Share, feste, you need to let her take her lumps instead of trying to protect her from herself and from reality. You aren't even showing her any *respect* when you do the latter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a noninflammatory way. Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future. Ann, neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting. Which I thought, albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics into one descriptive word like dirty is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex. àWe had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been present. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.àIf only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:ààYessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. Can you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? Now ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be fine. If you find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there just weren't enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar. From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
We need to compile an authfriend lexicon that will help others to understand her. In this case making a fool of yourself means writing something I don't agree with. In doing so we need to acknowledge the fine work already done in this field by Turquoise B, a brilliant, pioneering scholar of authfriend speak, which we might define as a language developed entirely to browbeat and humiliate other people. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Yeah, sorry, but she did make a fool of herself, in two ways. First, she didn't make any effort to find out what the video was that emptybill was talking about and just jumped in with something wildly inappropriate to the context. And second, what she was babbling about was, on its own terms (as Ann explained), stupidly chauvinistic, a dopey notion she picked up without asking herself if it made any sense. This wasn't the most egregious instance by any means of her making a fool of herself, but it *was* typical. If you really want the best for Share, feste, you need to let her take her lumps instead of trying to protect her from herself and from reality. You aren't even showing her any *respect* when you do the latter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a noninflammatory way. Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future. Ann, neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting. Which I thought, albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics into one descriptive word like dirty is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex. àWe had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been present. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.àIf only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:ààYessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. Can you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? Now ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be fine. If you find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there just weren't enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar. From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Correct. Wolf didn't bother to read the relevant post, so she made a fool of herself. Sorry Feste, it takes a lot more than that to look like a fool. But it hardly takes anything at all to look like an asshole. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here, that Judy did not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked a question, didn't make a statement, and the question was did Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. Take a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and are reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready. I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here, that Judy did not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked a question, didn't make a statement, and the question was did Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. Take a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and are reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready. I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397 Thanks Alex, you just gave an example of correcting/clarifying something without coming across like a dink.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here, that Judy did not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked a question, didn't make a statement, and the question was did Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. Take a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and are reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready. I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397 Thanks Alex, you just gave an example of correcting/clarifying something without coming across like a dink. Ahem. Methinks Angry Ann forgot to include the part of her post that goes, I was W...W...W...WRONG. It was M...M...M...ME who made a fool of myself. Sorry. A real chip off the Robin blockheadedness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
Looks like someone is trying to cover her embarrassment at her foolish error. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Correct. Wolf didn't bother to read the relevant post, so she made a fool of herself. Sorry Feste, it takes a lot more than that to look like a fool. But it hardly takes anything at all to look like an asshole. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here, that Judy did not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked a question, didn't make a statement, and the question was did Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. Take a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and are reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready. I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Looks like someone is trying to cover her embarrassment at her foolish error. Sorry, not embarrassed, not covering, and definitely not foolish. I've been wrong, but not stupid. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Correct. Wolf didn't bother to read the relevant post, so she made a fool of herself. Sorry Feste, it takes a lot more than that to look like a fool. But it hardly takes anything at all to look like an asshole. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here, that Judy did not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked a question, didn't make a statement, and the question was did Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. Take a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and are reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready. I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: We need to compile an authfriend lexicon that will help others to understand her. In this case making a fool of yourself means writing something I don't agree with. And now you just made a fool of yourself again, feste. Go back and look at my original post In doing so we need to acknowledge the fine work already done in this field by Turquoise B, a brilliant, pioneering scholar of authfriend speak, which we might define as a language developed entirely to browbeat and humiliate other people. What is this compulsion to make yourself look stupid lately, feste? As if I could ever come anywhere near the ability of Barryspeak to browbeat and humiliate. You are way out of your league here, feste darling. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Yeah, sorry, but she did make a fool of herself, in two ways. First, she didn't make any effort to find out what the video was that emptybill was talking about and just jumped in with something wildly inappropriate to the context. And second, what she was babbling about was, on its own terms (as Ann explained), stupidly chauvinistic, a dopey notion she picked up without asking herself if it made any sense. This wasn't the most egregious instance by any means of her making a fool of herself, but it *was* typical. If you really want the best for Share, feste, you need to let her take her lumps instead of trying to protect her from herself and from reality. You aren't even showing her any *respect* when you do the latter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a noninflammatory way. Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future. Ann, neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting. Which I thought, albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics into one descriptive word like dirty is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex. àWe had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been present. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.àIf only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:ààYessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. Can you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? Now ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be fine. If you find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there just weren't enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Looks like someone is trying to cover her embarrassment at her foolish error. Sorry, not embarrassed, not covering, and definitely not foolish. I've been wrong, but not stupid. Like I said, a real chip off the old Robin blockheadedness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Correct. Wolf didn't bother to read the relevant post, so she made a fool of herself. Sorry Feste, it takes a lot more than that to look like a fool. But it hardly takes anything at all to look like an asshole. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here, that Judy did not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked a question, didn't make a statement, and the question was did Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. Take a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and are reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready. I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Like I said, a real chip off the old Robin blockheadedness. Hey, Barry, saying something RLY RLY STOOPID twice doesn't somehow make it any less STPID.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Like I said, a real chip off the old Robin blockheadedness. Hey, Barry, saying something RLY RLY STOOPID twice doesn't somehow make it any less STPID. See what I mean about them having used up all of the scurrilous accusations they're capable of thinking up, Michael? The most they can do now is add more vowels to them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
Most of this post is the usual authfriend crap, but I like the darling bit. I don't get called that nearly often enough, so I will take whatever I can get and hold my nose regarding the source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: We need to compile an authfriend lexicon that will help others to understand her. In this case making a fool of yourself means writing something I don't agree with. And now you just made a fool of yourself again, feste. Go back and look at my original post In doing so we need to acknowledge the fine work already done in this field by Turquoise B, a brilliant, pioneering scholar of authfriend speak, which we might define as a language developed entirely to browbeat and humiliate other people. What is this compulsion to make yourself look stupid lately, feste? As if I could ever come anywhere near the ability of Barryspeak to browbeat and humiliate. You are way out of your league here, feste darling. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Yeah, sorry, but she did make a fool of herself, in two ways. First, she didn't make any effort to find out what the video was that emptybill was talking about and just jumped in with something wildly inappropriate to the context. And second, what she was babbling about was, on its own terms (as Ann explained), stupidly chauvinistic, a dopey notion she picked up without asking herself if it made any sense. This wasn't the most egregious instance by any means of her making a fool of herself, but it *was* typical. If you really want the best for Share, feste, you need to let her take her lumps instead of trying to protect her from herself and from reality. You aren't even showing her any *respect* when you do the latter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a noninflammatory way. Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future. Ann, neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting. Which I thought, albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics into one descriptive word like dirty is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex. àWe had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been present. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.àIf only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:ààYessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:49 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Like I said, a real chip off the old Robin blockheadedness. Hey, Barry, saying something RLY RLY STOOPID twice doesn't somehow make it any less STPID. See what I mean about them having used up all of the scurrilous accusations they're capable of thinking up, Michael? The most they can do now is add more vowels to them. Barry baby - you are really losing it - you should get a room together with feste?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
Most of this post is usual retarded feste stuff. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:01 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Most of this post is the usual authfriend crap, but I like the darling bit. I don't get called that nearly often enough, so I will take whatever I can get and hold my nose regarding the source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: We need to compile an authfriend lexicon that will help others to understand her. In this case making a fool of yourself means writing something I don't agree with. And now you just made a fool of yourself again, feste. Go back and look at my original post In doing so we need to acknowledge the fine work already done in this field by Turquoise B, a brilliant, pioneering scholar of authfriend speak, which we might define as a language developed entirely to browbeat and humiliate other people. What is this compulsion to make yourself look stupid lately, feste? As if I could ever come anywhere near the ability of Barryspeak to browbeat and humiliate. You are way out of your league here, feste darling. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Yeah, sorry, but she did make a fool of herself, in two ways. First, she didn't make any effort to find out what the video was that emptybill was talking about and just jumped in with something wildly inappropriate to the context. And second, what she was babbling about was, on its own terms (as Ann explained), stupidly chauvinistic, a dopey notion she picked up without asking herself if it made any sense. This wasn't the most egregious instance by any means of her making a fool of herself, but it *was* typical. If you really want the best for Share, feste, you need to let her take her lumps instead of trying to protect her from herself and from reality. You aren't even showing her any *respect* when you do the latter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a noninflammatory way. Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future. Ann, neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting. Which I thought, albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics into one descriptive word like dirty is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex.  We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been present. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination. If only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:  Yessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann
All of this post is the usual feste retarded crap. I am Ravi Chivukula (holding my clearly reddish, swollen nose hard) and I approve this message. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:01 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Most of this post is the usual authfriend crap, but I like the darling bit. I don't get called that nearly often enough, so I will take whatever I can get and hold my nose regarding the source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: We need to compile an authfriend lexicon that will help others to understand her. In this case making a fool of yourself means writing something I don't agree with. And now you just made a fool of yourself again, feste. Go back and look at my original post In doing so we need to acknowledge the fine work already done in this field by Turquoise B, a brilliant, pioneering scholar of authfriend speak, which we might define as a language developed entirely to browbeat and humiliate other people. What is this compulsion to make yourself look stupid lately, feste? As if I could ever come anywhere near the ability of Barryspeak to browbeat and humiliate. You are way out of your league here, feste darling. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's malicious spin. Yeah, sorry, but she did make a fool of herself, in two ways. First, she didn't make any effort to find out what the video was that emptybill was talking about and just jumped in with something wildly inappropriate to the context. And second, what she was babbling about was, on its own terms (as Ann explained), stupidly chauvinistic, a dopey notion she picked up without asking herself if it made any sense. This wasn't the most egregious instance by any means of her making a fool of herself, but it *was* typical. If you really want the best for Share, feste, you need to let her take her lumps instead of trying to protect her from herself and from reality. You aren't even showing her any *respect* when you do the latter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a noninflammatory way. Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future. Ann, neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting. Which I thought, albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics into one descriptive word like dirty is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex.  We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been present. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination. If only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
Wonderful performances everyone. What brilliant addendums to the vocal ornamentations of Donizetti's Lucia. You all are of the highest literary amplitude by recreating the mad scene right here on FFL. And by the way. Remember that video the Judy was praising? Anyone actually watch it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hah! Yeah she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Oh yeah? Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ... it also is so hot. No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera singerâs repertoire, donât you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I Itâs an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. Itâs breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. Itâs Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though. Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di Tito at the weekend. She is so hot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, sing the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song. No wonder men are so easily spellbound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw Also, Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance in the palace at St. Petersburg (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony
Couldn't agree more Barry. I'm a huge fan of both artists. Enjoy this one as my contribution to the Harmony that is Wednesday on FFL: http://youtu.be/_xX5XY49dSU --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Not everybody's cuppa tea (or, given the singer, whiskey), but definitely mine. As I said before, I'm a sucker for what Gram Parsons used to call high mountain harmony, two or more voices taking old melodies and soaring into the stratosphere with them. Few have ever done this as well as Gram did on his album Grievous Angel, singing with the then-unknown Emmylou Harris. I'm a Roy Orbison fan, but even he admitted that this is the best version of his song ever recorded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLUPWHTaceEfeature=fvsr The classic road song,...I just love Emmylou's rise at the end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PytxPaU6k4 A prayer, of sorts...with the ultimate Prodigal Son singing in the choir alongside the angel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhhkjqDGsAfeature=BFalist=AL94UKMTqg-9AndbSIHNuXsqW0DsVuIK3H
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: Couldn't agree more Barry. I'm a huge fan of both artists. Enjoy this one as my contribution to the Harmony that is Wednesday on FFL: http://youtu.be/_xX5XY49dSU Lovely song, and lovely tribute to her mentor and discoverer. Emmylou's talent, as commented on by so many other artists she's worked with over the years, such as Mark Knopfler, is that she's an intuitive harmonist. She doesn't need sheet music or a pre- agreement about what type of harmony she's going to add to a song, she just picks up the melody after the first verse (even if she's never heard it before) and adds the perfect harmony part. A number of musicians have this ability, including David Crosby and Graham Nash and, supposedly, Art Garfunkel, not to mention a number of Country stars. I tend to respect this *spontaneous* ability to add just the right harmony part more than I do the ability to sit down and chart out the harmonies in sheet music and then reproduce them vocally. Maybe it's a facet of that area of the brain that lights up when artists are improvising that I posted some research about earlier. You can feel it through the music. Gram was a hard-living dude whose lifestyle took him out far too early. But his influence on pop music was profound. He introduced the Byrds to his brand of high mountain harmonies, and then went on to found the seminal country-rock band The Flying Burrito Brothers, whose influence is still being felt. When he met Emmylou in a club and heard her voice, he knew immediately that he'd found his muse. I once owned an album -- very rare -- that Emmylou put out on an obscure label before she ever met Gram, and became famous in her own right. It was *terrible*. What had happened was that some lame studio exec had found her and tried to turn her into a Joni Mitchell clone. insert Ahnold's voice from Predator here Bahd idea. If you love her voice, and harmony, if you don't know her work with Mark Knopfler, or the two Trio albums she did in conjunction with Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt, you should. There are some magical moments in all of them. Here are a couple from these pairings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFdxvi2rlTw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_FLLz4UN2Q --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Not everybody's cuppa tea (or, given the singer, whiskey), but definitely mine. As I said before, I'm a sucker for what Gram Parsons used to call high mountain harmony, two or more voices taking old melodies and soaring into the stratosphere with them. Few have ever done this as well as Gram did on his album Grievous Angel, singing with the then-unknown Emmylou Harris. I'm a Roy Orbison fan, but even he admitted that this is the best version of his song ever recorded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLUPWHTaceEfeature=fvsr The classic road song,...I just love Emmylou's rise at the end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PytxPaU6k4 A prayer, of sorts...with the ultimate Prodigal Son singing in the choir alongside the angel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhhkjqDGsAfeature=BFalist=AL94UKMTqg-9AndbSIHNuXsqW0DsVuIK3H
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony
Thanks Barry for the background...I could listen all day to the stories you must have hidden in that brain of yours. (Ever thought of writing a book in that vein?) Now you've got me going! Consider this my last contribution for today (at least 'til I get home from work) for the Wednesday that is Harmony on FFL. http://youtu.be/B9Ihxi6d1qw --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: Couldn't agree more Barry. I'm a huge fan of both artists. Enjoy this one as my contribution to the Harmony that is Wednesday on FFL: http://youtu.be/_xX5XY49dSU Lovely song, and lovely tribute to her mentor and discoverer. Emmylou's talent, as commented on by so many other artists she's worked with over the years, such as Mark Knopfler, is that she's an intuitive harmonist. She doesn't need sheet music or a pre- agreement about what type of harmony she's going to add to a song, she just picks up the melody after the first verse (even if she's never heard it before) and adds the perfect harmony part. A number of musicians have this ability, including David Crosby and Graham Nash and, supposedly, Art Garfunkel, not to mention a number of Country stars. I tend to respect this *spontaneous* ability to add just the right harmony part more than I do the ability to sit down and chart out the harmonies in sheet music and then reproduce them vocally. Maybe it's a facet of that area of the brain that lights up when artists are improvising that I posted some research about earlier. You can feel it through the music. Gram was a hard-living dude whose lifestyle took him out far too early. But his influence on pop music was profound. He introduced the Byrds to his brand of high mountain harmonies, and then went on to found the seminal country-rock band The Flying Burrito Brothers, whose influence is still being felt. When he met Emmylou in a club and heard her voice, he knew immediately that he'd found his muse. I once owned an album -- very rare -- that Emmylou put out on an obscure label before she ever met Gram, and became famous in her own right. It was *terrible*. What had happened was that some lame studio exec had found her and tried to turn her into a Joni Mitchell clone. insert Ahnold's voice from Predator here Bahd idea. If you love her voice, and harmony, if you don't know her work with Mark Knopfler, or the two Trio albums she did in conjunction with Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt, you should. There are some magical moments in all of them. Here are a couple from these pairings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFdxvi2rlTw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_FLLz4UN2Q --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Not everybody's cuppa tea (or, given the singer, whiskey), but definitely mine. As I said before, I'm a sucker for what Gram Parsons used to call high mountain harmony, two or more voices taking old melodies and soaring into the stratosphere with them. Few have ever done this as well as Gram did on his album Grievous Angel, singing with the then-unknown Emmylou Harris. I'm a Roy Orbison fan, but even he admitted that this is the best version of his song ever recorded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLUPWHTaceEfeature=fvsr The classic road song,...I just love Emmylou's rise at the end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PytxPaU6k4 A prayer, of sorts...with the ultimate Prodigal Son singing in the choir alongside the angel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhhkjqDGsAfeature=BFalist=AL94UKMTqg-9AndbSIHNuXsqW0DsVuIK3H
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: Thanks Barry for the background...I could listen all day to the stories you must have hidden in that brain of yours. (Ever thought of writing a book in that vein?) Now you've got me going! Consider this my last contribution for today (at least 'til I get home from work) for the Wednesday that is Harmony on FFL. http://youtu.be/B9Ihxi6d1qw LOL. I don't have all that many stories, and have already told many of the ones I do have here already. I was never a musician myself, only on the periphery of the scene back in the late 60s when some friends and I put on light shows and promoted concerts and thus hired a lot of the bands of that era. It was a really FUN time, and something that one could not easily do today -- we were hippies, after all, without any money and without insurance. We'd just scrape together enough money to hire the bands and hire a hall and hope for the best. But we got to party with the bands, and experience trickle down groupie status, so it was all worth it. I only saw Gram perform with the Byrds and the Burrito Bros, never with Emmylou. THAT would have been a pairing I'd have loved to see live. I *did* see Linda Ronstadt early, back when she was still with a group called the Stone Poneys, and occasionally dueting with a folkie friend of mine named Steve Gillette. Then of course I saw her later, after she'd become famous. She had (and seems to still have, despite the added weight) a golden set of pipes, and was seemingly incapable of missing a note. This was important, because during many of those years she was so coked up that her mind was a sieve. You know how some artists have big cheat sheets of their set lists taped to the floor of the stage? Linda had big sheets containing the *lyrics*, because she could no longer remember them. But she survived, which is a lot more than a lot of artists of her generation did. Since I woke up in harmony mode and you've gotten me thinking about those days, here's a cut from a group that had a lot of talent but a fairly short shelf life, Moby Grape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioKodbNTljg Here is a cut from the aforementioned (and unknown to most people) folkie Steve Gillette, *much* later in life. He and his wife (I think) Cindy perform his most famous song, originally made famous by Ian Sylvia Tyson. I knew him from college, so I know the story of this song. He was a music major (Duh!), and wrote this song based on place names he'd found while hiking up in the Lake Tahoe area. He wanted to create his version of a real folk song. He submitted it to his professor as having been found in a book of old Wild West era songs, and got an A on the project. He only revealed the truth to the prof when he found he was about to submit the song to a folklore society as a new find. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioKodbNTljg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: Couldn't agree more Barry. I'm a huge fan of both artists. Enjoy this one as my contribution to the Harmony that is Wednesday on FFL: http://youtu.be/_xX5XY49dSU Lovely song, and lovely tribute to her mentor and discoverer. Emmylou's talent, as commented on by so many other artists she's worked with over the years, such as Mark Knopfler, is that she's an intuitive harmonist. She doesn't need sheet music or a pre- agreement about what type of harmony she's going to add to a song, she just picks up the melody after the first verse (even if she's never heard it before) and adds the perfect harmony part. A number of musicians have this ability, including David Crosby and Graham Nash and, supposedly, Art Garfunkel, not to mention a number of Country stars. I tend to respect this *spontaneous* ability to add just the right harmony part more than I do the ability to sit down and chart out the harmonies in sheet music and then reproduce them vocally. Maybe it's a facet of that area of the brain that lights up when artists are improvising that I posted some research about earlier. You can feel it through the music. Gram was a hard-living dude whose lifestyle took him out far too early. But his influence on pop music was profound. He introduced the Byrds to his brand of high mountain harmonies, and then went on to found the seminal country-rock band The Flying Burrito Brothers, whose influence is still being felt. When he met Emmylou in a club and heard her voice, he knew immediately that he'd found his muse. I once owned an album -- very rare -- that Emmylou put out on an obscure label before she ever met Gram, and became famous in her own right. It was *terrible*. What had happened was that some lame studio exec had found her and tried to turn her into a Joni Mitchell clone. insert
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Here is a cut from the aforementioned (and unknown to most people) folkie Steve Gillette, *much* later in life. He and his wife (I think) Cindy perform his most famous song, originally made famous by Ian Sylvia Tyson. I knew him from college, so I know the story of this song. He was a music major (Duh!), and wrote this song based on place names he'd found while hiking up in the Lake Tahoe area. He wanted to create his version of a real folk song. He submitted it to his professor as having been found in a book of old Wild West era songs, and got an A on the project. He only revealed the truth to the prof when he found he was about to submit the song to a folklore society as a new find. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioKodbNTljg Sorry. Bad link earlier. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJkB-dBj-HY
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Not everybody's cuppa tea (or, given the singer, whiskey), but definitely mine. As I said before, I'm a sucker for what Gram Parsons used to call high mountain harmony, two or more voices taking old melodies and soaring into the stratosphere with them. Still on my harmony kick, I'll pass along a different type of harmony, consisting of parallel thirds, in which each melody line can stand on its own as a separate melody, not just in conjunction with the other melody. The masters of this were, of course, the Everly Brothers. Here are a couple of more modern performers who also love good harmony -- Jackson Browne and Timothy B. Schmit (of the Eagles) -- doing their tribute to the Everlys' style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaDYWCti5yY
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony
On 12/05/2012 04:18 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: Couldn't agree more Barry. I'm a huge fan of both artists. Enjoy this one as my contribution to the Harmony that is Wednesday on FFL: http://youtu.be/_xX5XY49dSU Lovely song, and lovely tribute to her mentor and discoverer. Emmylou's talent, as commented on by so many other artists she's worked with over the years, such as Mark Knopfler, is that she's an intuitive harmonist. She doesn't need sheet music or a pre- agreement about what type of harmony she's going to add to a song, she just picks up the melody after the first verse (even if she's never heard it before) and adds the perfect harmony part. A number of musicians have this ability, including David Crosby and Graham Nash and, supposedly, Art Garfunkel, not to mention a number of Country stars. I tend to respect this *spontaneous* ability to add just the right harmony part more than I do the ability to sit down and chart out the harmonies in sheet music and then reproduce them vocally. Maybe it's a facet of that area of the brain that lights up when artists are improvising that I posted some research about earlier. You can feel it through the music. Gram was a hard-living dude whose lifestyle took him out far too early. But his influence on pop music was profound. He introduced the Byrds to his brand of high mountain harmonies, and then went on to found the seminal country-rock band The Flying Burrito Brothers, whose influence is still being felt. When he met Emmylou in a club and heard her voice, he knew immediately that he'd found his muse. I once owned an album -- very rare -- that Emmylou put out on an obscure label before she ever met Gram, and became famous in her own right. It was *terrible*. What had happened was that some lame studio exec had found her and tried to turn her into a Joni Mitchell clone. insert Ahnold's voice from Predator here Bahd idea. If you love her voice, and harmony, if you don't know her work with Mark Knopfler, or the two Trio albums she did in conjunction with Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt, you should. There are some magical moments in all of them. Here are a couple from these pairings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFdxvi2rlTw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_FLLz4UN2Q Worked a gig opening for the Byrds when Gram was in it. He was a high energy guy who never seemed to stop playing even off stage. The rest of the band hung out with Gram while I hung out with Mike Clark talking drums because he had gotten a set of Leedy's after using my Leedy set on an previous gig we did with them. Saw the Burrito Brothers a couple times and Gram's own band once. Saw EmmyLou at BumberShoot sometime in the 1990s. That was quite a show. I also have her DVD with her Spyboy band which is fusion jazz country.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Not everybody's cuppa tea (or, given the singer, whiskey), but definitely mine. As I said before, I'm a sucker for what Gram Parsons used to call high mountain harmony, two or more voices taking old melodies and soaring into the stratosphere with them. Still on my harmony kick, I'll pass along a different type of harmony, consisting of parallel thirds, in which each melody line can stand on its own as a separate melody, not just in conjunction with the other melody. The masters of this were, of course, the Everly Brothers. Here are a couple of more modern performers who also love good harmony -- Jackson Browne and Timothy B. Schmit (of the Eagles) -- doing their tribute to the Everlys' style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaDYWCti5yY Now you've done it Barry! If Bob Dylan was the poet of the 60s, then Jackson Browne gave him a run for his money in the 70s. Then there was Fogelberg...we wore HomeFree out the summer of '72 when we needed a smooth finish to an evening of hardy partying (if you get what I mean). The first cut off that first album: http://youtu.be/-_9qixMYrOg RIP Danny Boy...
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Not everybody's cuppa tea (or, given the singer, whiskey), but definitely mine. As I said before, I'm a sucker for what Gram Parsons used to call high mountain harmony, two or more voices taking old melodies and soaring into the stratosphere with them. Still on my harmony kick, I'll pass along a different type of harmony, consisting of parallel thirds, in which each melody line can stand on its own as a separate melody, not just in conjunction with the other melody. The masters of this were, of course, the Everly Brothers. Here are a couple of more modern performers who also love good harmony -- Jackson Browne and Timothy B. Schmit (of the Eagles) -- doing their tribute to the Everlys' style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaDYWCti5yY Now you've done it Barry! If Bob Dylan was the poet of the 60s, then Jackson Browne gave him a run for his money in the 70s. Then there was Fogelberg...we wore HomeFree out the summer of '72 when we needed a smooth finish to an evening of hardy partying (if you get what I mean). The first cut off that first album: http://youtu.be/-_9qixMYrOg RIP Danny Boy... Couldn't resist closing out this Wednesday of Harmony with two more offerings from Dan Fogelberg, again from his first album: http://youtu.be/XdFqqJvL-2Q http://youtu.be/Fmbx4Y1UmbA He may have been the most underrated musical poet of the 70s...
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hah! Yeah she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Oh yeah? Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ... it also is so hot. No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera singerâs repertoire, donât you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I Itâs an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. Itâs breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. Itâs Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though. Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di Tito at the weekend. She is so hot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, sing the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song. No wonder men are so easily spellbound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw Also, Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance in the palace at St. Petersburg (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hah! Yeah she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Oh yeah? Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ... it also is so hot. No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera singerâs repertoire, donât you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I Itâs an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. Itâs breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. Itâs Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though. Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di Tito at the weekend. She is so hot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, sing the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song. No wonder men are so easily spellbound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw Also, Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance in the palace at St. Petersburg (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
I doubt that because Sanskrit vowels (save *short* a-sound) are pure, like those e.g. in Italian and Finnish, whereas that Russian i-like sound (as in 'bit') would be, I believe, described as reduced (not sure about that, though), like many vowels for instance in English. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Can it be described in Sanskrit's five points of vocal articulation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: Kak molody my byli (How young we were) Yikes! Please don't try to pronounce that in Russian! :] y = #1099;, most difficult Russian vowel sound, with no equivalent in English. Closest sound is ei as in being, but vocalised from the back of the throat with the lips pulled back like a smile to show the front teeth http://listen2russian.com/lesson01/a/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:
I doubt that because Sanskrit vowels (save *short* a-sound) are pure, like
those e.g. in Italian and Finnish, whereas that Russian i-like sound (as in
'bit') would be, I believe, described as reduced (not sure about that,
though), like many vowels for instance in English.
BTW, I think it's possible that native speakers of English
might hear the *qualitative* difference between short (hrasva) and long
(diirgha) a-sound in Sanskrit easier that for instance myself, because they are
accustomed, so to speak, to reduced vowels, whereas
I prolly hear easier the difference in their length, because vowel
length is a so called distinctive feature in Finnish as well
as in Sanskrit!?
For intance:
Finnish 'sama' (same), 'saama' ([something] acquired [by someone])
(In context: Saama-ni soma siima: The cute [soma] (fishing)line
[siima] acquired [saama] by me [-ni].)
Sanskrit 'sama' (same), 'saama(n)':
2 sAman 1 n. (fr. 1. %{sA} = 1. %{san}) acquisition , possession ,
property , wealth , abundance RV. VS.
3 sAman 2 n. (m. only in TBr. ; prob. connected with %{sAntv} ; accord.
to some fr. 1. %{sA} ; cf. 3. %{sAman}) calming , tranquillizing , (esp.) kind
or gentle words for winning an adversary , conciliation , negotiation (one of
the 4 Upa7yas or means of success against an enemy , the other 3 being %{dAna}
, %{bheda} , and %{daNDa} , qq. vv. ; ibc. or instr. sg. and pl. , ` by
friendly means or in a friendly way , willingly , voluntarily ') TBr. c. c.
4 sAman 3 n. (of doubtful derivation ; accord. to Un2. iv , 152 fr.
%{so} = 2. %{sA} , as ` destroying sin ' ; in Nir. vii , 12 apparently
connected with %{sammita} ; by others derived fr. 1. %{san} , %{sA} , %{sAntv}
, and perhaps not to be separated fr. 1. and 2. %{sAman}) a metrical hymn or
song of praise , (esp.) a partic. kind of sacred text or verse called a Sa1man
(intended to be chanted , and forming , with %{Rc} , %{yajus} , %{chandas} ,
one of the 4 kinds of Vedic composition mentioned first in RV. x , 90 , 9) RV.
c. c. ; any song or tune (sacred or profane , also the hum of bees) MBh.
Ka1v. c. ; the faculty of uttering sounds (?) TBr. (Sch.)
sIman m. (see 2. %{sI} and %{sItA}) a separation or parting of the hair so as
to leave a line AV. Br. AitUp. ; a suture of the skull L. ; f. or n. a boundary
, border , bounds , limit , margin , frontier (lit. and fig.) Ya1jn5. Ka1v.
Pur. ; f. a ridge serving to mark the boundary of a field or village A1past.
VarBr2S. ; a bank , shore L. ; the horizon L. ; the utmost limit of anything ,
furthest extent , summit , acme , ne plus ultra Ka1v. Inscr. ; the scrotum Pat.
on Pa1n2. 2-3 , 36 ; a partic. high number Buddh. ; the nape of the neck L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
BTW, I think it's possible that native speakers of English
might hear the *qualitative* difference between short (hrasva) and long
(diirgha) a-sound in Sanskrit easier than for instance myself, because they are
accustomed, so to speak, to reduced vowels, whereas
I prolly hear easier the difference in their length, because vowel
length is a so called distinctive feature in Finnish as well
as in Sanskrit!?
For instance:
Finnish 'sama' (same), 'saama' ([something] acquired [by someone])
(In context: Saama-ni soma siima: The cute [soma] (fishing)line
[siima] acquired [saama] by me [-ni].)
Sanskrit 'sama' (same), 'saama(n)':
2 sAman 1 n. (fr. 1. %{sA} = 1. %{san}) acquisition , possession , property ,
wealth , abundance RV. VS.
3 sAman 2 n. (m. only in TBr. ; prob. connected with %{sAntv} ; accord. to some
fr. 1. %{sA} ; cf. 3. %{sAman}) calming , tranquillizing , (esp.) kind or gentle
words for winning an adversary , conciliation , negotiation (one of the 4
Upa7yas or means of success against an enemy , the other 3 being %{dAna} ,
%{bheda} , and %{daNDa} , qq. vv. ; ibc. or instr. sg. and pl. , ` by friendly
means or in a friendly way , willingly , voluntarily ') TBr. c. c.
4 sAman 3 n. (of doubtful derivation ; accord. to Un2. iv , 152 fr. %{so} = 2.
%{sA} , as ` destroying sin ' ; in Nir. vii , 12 apparently connected with
%{sammita} ; by others derived fr. 1. %{san} , %{sA} , %{sAntv} , and perhaps
not to be separated fr. 1. and 2. %{sAman}) a metrical hymn or song of praise ,
(esp.) a partic. kind of sacred text or verse called a Sa1man (intended to be
chanted , and forming , with %{Rc} , %{yajus} , %{chandas} , one of the 4 kinds
of Vedic composition mentioned first in RV. x , 90 , 9) RV. c. c. ; any song
or tune (sacred or profane , also the hum of bees) MBh. Ka1v. c. ; the faculty
of uttering sounds (?) TBr. (Sch.)
sIman m. (see 2. %{sI} and %{sItA}) a separation or parting of the hair so as to
leave a line AV. Br. AitUp. ; a suture of the skull L. ; f. or n. a boundary ,
border , bounds , limit , margin , frontier (lit. and fig.) Ya1jn5. Ka1v. Pur. ;
f. a ridge serving to mark the boundary of a field or village A1past. VarBr2S. ;
a bank , shore L. ; the horizon L. ; the utmost limit of anything , furthest
extent , summit , acme , ne plus ultra Ka1v. Inscr. ; the scrotum Pat. on Pa1n2.
2-3 , 36 ; a partic. high number Buddh. ; the nape of the neck L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera singerâs repertoire, donât you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I Itâs an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. Itâs breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. Itâs Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though. Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di Tito at the weekend. She is so hot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, sing the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song. No wonder men are so easily spellbound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw Also, Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance in the palace at St. Petersburg (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Robin Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology. However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the Dakini-s have shown me the reality. This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred vision reveals sacred world. This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out the Way. Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony I have seen Her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec As for Hvorostovsky: Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the great Parvarotti. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA Also Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation (It is also a remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror) Kak molody my byli (How young we were) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo Turn around unknown stranger Your uncompromising look is familiar Maybe that is me when I was younger We don't always recognize ourselves but Nothing on Earth passes without leaving a trace And this youth, which has passed, is after all undying ... How young we were, how truly young we were How we loved without doubt, believed in ourselves Everyone welcomed us with our sincere belief We forgave our friends when they were wrong But their treachery we couldn't forgive Dear Emptybill, Wonderful. All of it. I envy your knowledge of opera--no longer do I envy your love of it, for Dmitri Hvorostovsky has made me realize how beautiful opera is. I have a multitude of reactions, but the way Anna Netrebka looked into the eyes of Dmitri Hvorostovsky--as she sang to him--was the realization of an objective intimacy which, for me, represents about as personally intense as first person ontology can get! She was confronting him with the beauty of her character, held inside the extreme discipline of the aesthetic of opera. That was better than a WTS--but I certainly recognized the tremendous influx of what is most real (in its stillness)--although taking place within the artifice of the art form of opera. Thank you for so much for this, emptybill--Had I known you were so aware of this world I would have tried to find something more in our dialogues than I was able to find without this knowledge (and initiation)--Beginning with the aria: Largo al factotum from Rossini's Il Barbiere Desviglia (The Barber of Seville) I knew I had missed out on some important dimension of emptybill. And what has come afterwards: well, now I have to go through your posts with authfriend--which I will do before the day is finished. Magnificent. Dmitri, well he is better than Elvis. If first-person ontology had various state of consciousness, one would be DHC--when he is performing, that is. Dimitri Hvorostovsky is more disciplined than any athlete, more devoted to his art than any monk is to God (nowadays), and he has the supreme experience of that sensation of egotism which comes from having attained all the individual grace that was possible in making his voice sing those notes. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Emptybill, Dmitri is the first voice I will listen to in the morning. What he is making happen here (in this aria) is my aesthetic ideal. I want to be where he is to sing like this. Fabulous post, emptybill. I am switching from first person ontology to opera. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Emily, Here's the famous aria Largo al factotum from Rossini's The Barber of Seville (Il Barbiere desiviglia). You'll understand why you'llnever see this on American Idol or Britain's Got talent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
You're an amazing poet, merudanda. I love you. Thanks for gracing us with your beauty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCPufE8AeMg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCPufE8AeMg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6hKiM1zT2Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6hKiM1zT2Y Bravissimo empty one now a dream cast away in bitter winds, a hope slaughtered in dark, a heart punctured upon itself with ancient works of Muse long lost to time. Yes And when all the opera's end, and all All FFL's crowd has dimmed, When Golden Dome's wings are left to Be empty, and our stories are all done, We may sing a last eulogy and force it on Robin's raven wing, so that to the night, the Shining moon would cry with a wolf. The tears of a Rose would douse a flame which could not be quenched. The rotting of words, it too bicuspid Opulence could streak a frown across the Horizon with its somber, dismal inks Drowning all passion thick, all zeal Tore and cast to the wind of all prudence- Thorns of roses piercing our dreadful heart So throughout the night the stars will sing to Our emptybill's praises with more fervor than the now Closed opus: Yet a light will creep over us, Opened ways within us, we weep more Recognizing our solitude in our partners. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Robin Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology. However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the Dakini-s have shown me the reality. This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred vision reveals sacred world. This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out the Way. Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony I have seen Her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec As for Hvorostovsky: Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the great Parvarotti. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA Also Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation (It is also a remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror) Kak molody my byli (How young we were) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo Turn around unknown stranger Your uncompromising look is familiar Maybe that is me when I was younger We don't always recognize ourselves but Nothing on Earth passes without leaving a trace And this youth, which has passed, is after all undying ... How young we were, how truly young we were How we loved without doubt, believed in ourselves Everyone welcomed us with our sincere belief We forgave our friends when they were wrong But their treachery we couldn't forgive --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Emptybill, Dmitri is the first voice I will listen to in the morning. What he is making happen here (in this aria) is my aesthetic ideal. I want to be where he is to sing like this. Fabulous post, emptybill. I am switching from first person ontology to opera. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Emily, Here's the famous aria Largo al factotum from Rossini's The Barber of Seville (Il Barbiere desiviglia). You'll understand why you'llnever see this on American Idol or Britain's Got talent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
Elina G .. G?G-Effect...G-Force? from G-Factor.. to G-Spot? [:D] decide yourself during recording http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQR9d8Y96hY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQR9d8Y96hY during concert http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE0HXHirY7U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE0HXHirY7U Clemenza di Tito http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMX-s0L2wLo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMX-s0L2wLo Clemenza di Tito http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhJjY-ohBSk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhJjY-ohBSk the great B https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roo34ysqc4Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roo34ysqc4Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roo34ysqc4Y all without wardrobe malfunction I think-I hope- oh feste,feste37 why oh why you mentioned? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera singerâs repertoire, donât you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I Itâs an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. Itâs breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. Itâs Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though. Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di Tito at the weekend. She is so hot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, sing the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song. No wonder men are so easily spellbound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw Also, Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance in the palace at St. Petersburg (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: snip My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I Its an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. Its breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. Its Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdQU-N8b3HA
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
Thanks for that. It was hilarious. But did she have breast reduction surgery? What these divas will do to stay competitive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: snip My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I Its an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. Its breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. Its Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdQU-N8b3HA
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, sing the famous Flower duet (Lakmé Delibes). Doesn't hurt that they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song. No wonder men are so easily spellbound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw Also, Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance in the palace at St. Petersburg (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore). YEOW!! Have the smelling salts handy. This really packs a wallop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Oh yeah? Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ... it also is so hot. No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera singerâs repertoire, donât you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I Itâs an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. Itâs breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. Itâs Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though. Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di Tito at the weekend. She is so hot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, sing the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song. No wonder men are so easily spellbound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw Also, Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance in the palace at St. Petersburg (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
Hah! Yeah she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Oh yeah? Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ... it also is so hot. No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera singerâs repertoire, donât you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I Itâs an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. Itâs breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. Itâs Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though. Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di Tito at the weekend. She is so hot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, sing the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song. No wonder men are so easily spellbound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw Also, Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance in the palace at St. Petersburg (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Hah! Yeah she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Oh yeah? Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ... it also is so hot. No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera singerâs repertoire, donât you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I Itâs an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. Itâs breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. Itâs Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though. Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di Tito at the weekend. She is so hot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, sing the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song. No wonder men are so easily spellbound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw Also, Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance in the palace at St. Petersburg (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodwfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
Dear Emptybill, Dmitri is the first voice I will listen to in the morning. What he is making happen here (in this aria) is my aesthetic ideal. I want to be where he is to sing like this. Fabulous post, emptybill. I am switching from first person ontology to opera. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Emily, Here's the famous aria Largo al factotum from Rossini's The Barber of Seville (Il Barbiere desiviglia). You'll understand why you'llnever see this on American Idol or Britain's Got talent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Robin Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology. However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the Dakini-s have shown me the reality. This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred vision reveals sacred world. This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out the Way. Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony I have seen Her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec As for Hvorostovsky: Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the great Parvarotti. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA Also Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation (It is also a remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror) Kak molody my byli (How young we were) Yikes! Please don't try to pronounce that in Russian! :] y = #1099;, most difficult Russian vowel sound, with no equivalent in English. Closest sound is ei as in being, but vocalised from the back of the throat with the lips pulled back like a smile to show the front teeth http://listen2russian.com/lesson01/a/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Robin Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology. However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the Dakini-s have shown me the reality. This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred vision reveals sacred world. This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out the Way. Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony I have seen Her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec As for Hvorostovsky: Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the great Parvarotti. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA Also Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation (It is also a remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror) Kak molody my byli (How young we were) Yikes! Please don't try to pronounce that in Russian! :] y = #1099;, most difficult Russian vowel sound, with no equivalent in English. Closest sound is ei as in being, but vocalised from the back of the throat with the lips pulled back like a smile to show the front teeth http://listen2russian.com/lesson01/a/index.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo That drummer *sucks*, big time!? :o
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
Can it be described in Sanskrit's five points of vocal articulation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: Kak molody my byli (How young we were) Yikes! Please don't try to pronounce that in Russian! :] y = #1099;, most difficult Russian vowel sound, with no equivalent in English. Closest sound is ei as in being, but vocalised from the back of the throat with the lips pulled back like a smile to show the front teeth http://listen2russian.com/lesson01/a/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCPufE8AeMg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCPufE8AeMg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6hKiM1zT2Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6hKiM1zT2Y Bravissimo empty one now a dream cast away in bitter winds, a hope slaughtered in dark, a heart punctured upon itself with ancient works of Muse long lost to time. Yes And when all the opera's end, and all All FFL's crowd has dimmed, When Golden Dome's wings are left to Be empty, and our stories are all done, We may sing a last eulogy and force it on Robin's raven wing, so that to the night, the Shining moon would cry with a wolf. The tears of a Rose would douse a flame which could not be quenched. The rotting of words, it too bicuspid Opulence could streak a frown across the Horizon with its somber, dismal inks Drowning all passion thick, all zeal Tore and cast to the wind of all prudence- Thorns of roses piercing our dreadful heart So throughout the night the stars will sing to Our emptybill's praises with more fervor than the now Closed opus: Yet a light will creep over us, Opened ways within us, we weep more Recognizing our solitude in our partners. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Robin Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology. However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the Dakini-s have shown me the reality. This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred vision reveals sacred world. This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out the Way. Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony I have seen Her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec As for Hvorostovsky: Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the great Parvarotti. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA Also Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation (It is also a remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror) Kak molody my byli (How young we were) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo Turn around unknown stranger Your uncompromising look is familiar Maybe that is me when I was younger We don't always recognize ourselves but Nothing on Earth passes without leaving a trace And this youth, which has passed, is after all undying ... How young we were, how truly young we were How we loved without doubt, believed in ourselves Everyone welcomed us with our sincere belief We forgave our friends when they were wrong But their treachery we couldn't forgive --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Emptybill, Dmitri is the first voice I will listen to in the morning. What he is making happen here (in this aria) is my aesthetic ideal. I want to be where he is to sing like this. Fabulous post, emptybill. I am switching from first person ontology to opera. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Emily, Here's the famous aria Largo al factotum from Rossini's The Barber of Seville (Il Barbiere desiviglia). You'll understand why you'llnever see this on American Idol or Britain's Got talent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
Nice find with a better and longer translation. Without understanding how many people were killed or displayed by Stalin, for a Yank this is only a shadow of the one the Russians actually hear. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCPufE8AeMg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCPufE8AeMg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6hKiM1zT2Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6hKiM1zT2Y Bravissimo empty one now a dream cast away in bitter winds, a hope slaughtered in dark, a heart punctured upon itself with ancient works of Muse long lost to time. Yes And when all the opera's end, and all All FFL's crowd has dimmed, When Golden Dome's wings are left to Be empty, and our stories are all done, We may sing a last eulogy and force it on Robin's raven wing, so that to the night, the Shining moon would cry with a wolf. The tears of a Rose would douse a flame which could not be quenched. The rotting of words, it too bicuspid Opulence could streak a frown across the Horizon with its somber, dismal inks Drowning all passion thick, all zeal Tore and cast to the wind of all prudence- Thorns of roses piercing our dreadful heart So throughout the night the stars will sing to Our emptybill's praises with more fervor than the now Closed opus: Yet a light will creep over us, Opened ways within us, we weep more Recognizing our solitude in our partners. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Robin Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology. However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the Dakini-s have shown me the reality. This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred vision reveals sacred world. This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out the Way. Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony I have seen Her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec As for Hvorostovsky: Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the great Parvarotti. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA Also Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation (It is also a remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror) Kak molody my byli (How young we were) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo Turn around unknown stranger Your uncompromising look is familiar Maybe that is me when I was younger We don't always recognize ourselves but Nothing on Earth passes without leaving a trace And this youth, which has passed, is after all undying ... How young we were, how truly young we were How we loved without doubt, believed in ourselves Everyone welcomed us with our sincere belief We forgave our friends when they were wrong But their treachery we couldn't forgive --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Emptybill, Dmitri is the first voice I will listen to in the morning. What he is making happen here (in this aria) is my aesthetic ideal. I want to be where he is to sing like this. Fabulous post, emptybill. I am switching from first person ontology to opera. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Emily, Here's the famous aria Largo al factotum from Rossini's The Barber of Seville (Il Barbiere desiviglia). You'll understand why you'llnever see this on American Idol or Britain's Got talent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
Dear FullyEmpty and MeruDandy and JudyLilly: I think you have all discovered the secret to the holiday season. Opera.a real miracle, opera is. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 4:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCPufE8AeMg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6hKiM1zT2Y Bravissimo empty one now a dream cast away in bitter winds, a hope slaughtered in dark, a heart punctured upon itself with ancient works of Muse long lost to time. Yes And when all the opera's end, and all All FFL's crowd has dimmed, When Golden Dome's wings are left to Be empty, and our stories are all done, We may sing a last eulogy and force it on Robin's raven wing, so that to the night, the Shining moon would cry with a wolf. The tears of a Rose would douse a flame which could not be quenched. The rotting of words, it too bicuspid Opulence could streak a frown across the Horizon with its somber, dismal inks Drowning all passion thick, all zeal Tore and cast to the wind of all prudence- Thorns of roses piercing our dreadful heart So throughout the night the stars will sing to Our emptybill's praises with more fervor than the now Closed opus: Yet a light will creep over us, Opened ways within us, we weep more Recognizing our solitude in our partners. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Robin Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology. However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the Dakini-s have shown me the reality. This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred vision reveals sacred world. This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out the Way. Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony …I have seen Her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec As for Hvorostovsky: Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the great Parvarotti. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA Also … Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation … (It is also a remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror) Kak molody my byli (How young we were) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo Turn around unknown stranger Your uncompromising look is familiar Maybe that is me … when I was younger We don't always recognize ourselves but Nothing on Earth passes without leaving a trace And this youth, which has passed, is after all undying ... How young we were, how truly young we were How we loved without doubt, believed in ourselves Everyone welcomed us with our sincere belief We forgave our friends when they were wrong But their treachery we couldn't forgive --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Emptybill, Dmitri is the first voice I will listen to in the morning. What he is making happen here (in this aria) is my aesthetic ideal. I want to be where he is to sing like this. Fabulous post, emptybill. I am switching from first person ontology to opera. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Emily, Here's the famous aria Largo al factotum from Rossini's The Barber of Seville (Il Barbiere desiviglia). You'll understand why you'llnever see this on American Idol or Britain's Got talent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8feature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
Whatever...what a great songisn't it great to have rhythm, card? From: card cardemais...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 3:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Robin Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology. However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the Dakini-s have shown me the reality. This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred vision reveals sacred world. This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out the Way. Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony …I have seen Her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURYfeature=watch-vrec As for Hvorostovsky: Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the great Parvarotti. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8 And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA Also … Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation … (It is also a remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror) Kak molody my byli (How young we were) Yikes! Please don't try to pronounce that in Russian! :] y = #1099;, most difficult Russian vowel sound, with no equivalent in English. Closest sound is ei as in being, but vocalised from the back of the throat with the lips pulled back like a smile to show the front teeth http://listen2russian.com/lesson01/a/index.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo That drummer *sucks*, big time!? :o
[FairfieldLife] Re: More than the Will to Succeed?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rwr dick.richardson@... wrote: More than the Will to Succeed? [ Optimism is fine, but it takes far more than a dream and optimism to succeed. ] I know it does. It also requires the will to succeed. But even that is not enough. But first must come the dream, and then the will to succeed, and then the optimism that it can be done, but then the real work starts practicing to do it. Doing the actual work that without which it could never succeed. THIS is what is meant by stop talking the talk and start walking it. Stop dreaming the dream and start making it happen. Success does not float down out the blue as a gift, you have to make it work. This means pushing on the doors of your own limitations until that door opens. Also, if at first you don't succeed then try try and try again. Give it one hundred percent of yourself. Never give up. These things are learned the hard way amigo. The only way. The time to give up is when you don't exist anymore. But if and when that time ever comes could well be a long way off. In the meantime use what you have got. Don't waste it. And don't sit around picking you nose and complain and waiting for somebody else to do it. We are the stuff that dreams are made on. Know your SELF. Dick Richardson Right on! Something MMY and the TMorg hear too little of! Meditation *helps you* DO that, which would otherwise seem impossible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More cool Raymond Chandler quotes
This shit is as bad as Robin's shit. Dude post it in some other forum and not here. --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Even more: The man in the powder-blue suit which wasn't powder-blue under the lights of the Club Bolivar was tall, with wide- set gray eyes, a thin nose, a jaw of stone. He had a rather sensitive mouth His hair was crisp and black, ever so faintly touched with gray, as by an almost diffident hand. His clothes fitted him as though they had a soul of their own, not just a doubtful past. His name happened to be Mallory. He's doing his next week's drinking too soon. I don't like drunks in the first place and in the second place I don't like them getting drunk in here, and in the third place, I don't like them in the first place. The dark guy took a week to fall down. He stumbled, caught himself, waved one arm, stumbled again. His hat fell off, and then he hit the floor with his face. After he hit it he might have been poured concrete for all the fuss he made. The drunk slid down off the stool and scooped his dimes into a pocket and slid towards the door. He turned sideways, holding the gun across his body. I didn't have a gun. I hadn't thought I needed one to buy a glass of beer. The door swung shut. I started to rush it from long practice in doing the wrong thing. In this case it didn't matter. The car outside let out a roar and when I got onto the sidewalk it was flicking a red smear of tail-light around the nearby corner. I got its license number the way I got my first million. He took his felt hat off and tousled up his ratty blond hair and leaned his head on his hands. He had a long mean horse face. He got a handkerchief out and mopped it, and the back of his neck and the back of his hands. He got a comb out and combed his hair he looked worse with it combed and put his hat back on. She smoothed her hair with that quick gesture, like a bird preening itself. Ten thousand years of practice behind it. We were almost at my door. I jammed the key in and shook the lock around and heaved the door inward. I reached in far enough to switch lights on. She went in past me like a wave. Sandalwood floated on the air, very faint. I shut the door, threw my hat into a chair and watched her stroll over to a card table on which I had a chess problem set out that I couldn't solve. Once inside, with the door locked, her panic had left her. So you're a chess player, she said, in that guarded tone, as if she had come to look at my etchings. I wished she had. Her eyes were set like rivets now and had the same amount of expression. I sipped my drink. I like an effect as well as the next guy. Her eyes ate me. He's really dead? she whispered, Really? He's dead, I said. Dead, dead, dead. Lady, he's dead. Her face fell apart like a bride's piecrust. Her mouth wasn't large, but I could have got my fist into it at that moment. In the silence the elevator stopped at my floor. Scream, I rapped, and I'll give you two black eyes. It didn't sound nice, but it worked. It jarred her out of it. Her mouth shut like a trap. He came close to me and breathed in my face. No mistakes, pal about this story of ours. His breath was bad. It would be. When I left the party across the street was still doing all that a party can do. I noticed the walls of the house were still standing. That seemed a pity. The hammer clicked back on Copernik's gun and I watched his big bony finger slide in farther around the trigger. The back of my neck was as wet as a dog's nose. Back and forth in front of them, strutting, trucking, preening herself like a magpie, arching her arms and her eyebrows, bending her fingers back until the carmine nails almost touched her arms, a metallic blonde swayed and went to town on the music. Her voice was a throaty screech, without melody, as false as her eyebrows and as sharp as her nails. He took out a leather keyholder and studied the lock of the door. It looked like it would listen to reason. A swarthy iron-gray Italian in a cutaway coat stood in front of the curtained door of the red brick funeral home, smoking a cigar and waiting for someone to die. She had a mud-colored face, stringy hair, gray cotton stockings everything a Bunker Hill landlady should have. She looked at Steve with the interested eye of a dead goldfish. The cigar was burning unevenly and it smelled as if someone had set fire to the doormat. In a moment the door opened again and Ellen Macintosh came in. Maybe you don't like tall girls with honey-colored hair and skin like the first strawberry peach the grocer sneaks out of the box for himself. If you don't, I feel sorry for you. Ellen lowered her long silky eyelashes at me and when she does that I go limp as a scrubwoman's back hair. The hotel was upstairs, the steps being
[FairfieldLife] Re: More cool Raymond Chandler quotes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: This shit is as bad as Robin's shit. Dude post it in some other forum and not here. Chandler, in three words, 'pulp fiction writer'. Robin in one, 'enigma'. --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Even more: The man in the powder-blue suit which wasn't powder-blue under the lights of the Club Bolivar was tall, with wide- set gray eyes, a thin nose, a jaw of stone. He had a rather sensitive mouth His hair was crisp and black, ever so faintly touched with gray, as by an almost diffident hand. His clothes fitted him as though they had a soul of their own, not just a doubtful past. His name happened to be Mallory. He's doing his next week's drinking too soon. I don't like drunks in the first place and in the second place I don't like them getting drunk in here, and in the third place, I don't like them in the first place. The dark guy took a week to fall down. He stumbled, caught himself, waved one arm, stumbled again. His hat fell off, and then he hit the floor with his face. After he hit it he might have been poured concrete for all the fuss he made. The drunk slid down off the stool and scooped his dimes into a pocket and slid towards the door. He turned sideways, holding the gun across his body. I didn't have a gun. I hadn't thought I needed one to buy a glass of beer. The door swung shut. I started to rush it from long practice in doing the wrong thing. In this case it didn't matter. The car outside let out a roar and when I got onto the sidewalk it was flicking a red smear of tail-light around the nearby corner. I got its license number the way I got my first million. He took his felt hat off and tousled up his ratty blond hair and leaned his head on his hands. He had a long mean horse face. He got a handkerchief out and mopped it, and the back of his neck and the back of his hands. He got a comb out and combed his hair he looked worse with it combed and put his hat back on. She smoothed her hair with that quick gesture, like a bird preening itself. Ten thousand years of practice behind it. We were almost at my door. I jammed the key in and shook the lock around and heaved the door inward. I reached in far enough to switch lights on. She went in past me like a wave. Sandalwood floated on the air, very faint. I shut the door, threw my hat into a chair and watched her stroll over to a card table on which I had a chess problem set out that I couldn't solve. Once inside, with the door locked, her panic had left her. So you're a chess player, she said, in that guarded tone, as if she had come to look at my etchings. I wished she had. Her eyes were set like rivets now and had the same amount of expression. I sipped my drink. I like an effect as well as the next guy. Her eyes ate me. He's really dead? she whispered, Really? He's dead, I said. Dead, dead, dead. Lady, he's dead. Her face fell apart like a bride's piecrust. Her mouth wasn't large, but I could have got my fist into it at that moment. In the silence the elevator stopped at my floor. Scream, I rapped, and I'll give you two black eyes. It didn't sound nice, but it worked. It jarred her out of it. Her mouth shut like a trap. He came close to me and breathed in my face. No mistakes, pal about this story of ours. His breath was bad. It would be. When I left the party across the street was still doing all that a party can do. I noticed the walls of the house were still standing. That seemed a pity. The hammer clicked back on Copernik's gun and I watched his big bony finger slide in farther around the trigger. The back of my neck was as wet as a dog's nose. Back and forth in front of them, strutting, trucking, preening herself like a magpie, arching her arms and her eyebrows, bending her fingers back until the carmine nails almost touched her arms, a metallic blonde swayed and went to town on the music. Her voice was a throaty screech, without melody, as false as her eyebrows and as sharp as her nails. He took out a leather keyholder and studied the lock of the door. It looked like it would listen to reason. A swarthy iron-gray Italian in a cutaway coat stood in front of the curtained door of the red brick funeral home, smoking a cigar and waiting for someone to die. She had a mud-colored face, stringy hair, gray cotton stockings everything a Bunker Hill landlady should have. She looked at Steve with the interested eye of a dead goldfish. The cigar was burning unevenly and it smelled as if someone had set fire to the doormat. In a moment the door opened again and Ellen Macintosh came in. Maybe you don't like tall girls with honey-colored hair and skin like the first
[FairfieldLife] Re: More cool Raymond Chandler quotes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oxcart49 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: This shit is as bad as Robin's shit. Dude post it in some other forum and not here. Chandler, in three words, 'pulp fiction writer'. Robin in one, 'enigma'. With all due respect, for Robin it takes two words: bad writer. :-) For Chandler, it takes a few more (from Wikipedia). Some of Chandler's novels are considered to be important literary works, and three are often considered to be masterpieces: Farewell, My Lovely (1940), The Little Sister (1949), and The Long Goodbye (1953). The Long Goodbye is praised within an anthology of American crime stories as arguably the first book since Hammett's The Glass Key, published more than twenty years earlier, to qualify as a serious and significant mainstream novel that just happened to possess elements of mystery Critics and writers from W. H. Auden to Evelyn Waugh to Ian Fleming greatly admired Chandler's prose.[6] In a radio discussion with Chandler, Fleming said that Chandler offered some of the finest dialogue written in any prose today. Chandler wrote like a slumming angel and invested the sun-blinded streets of Los Angeles with a romantic presence. Ross Macdonald Raymond Chandler invented a new way of talking about America, and America has never looked the same to us since. Paul Auster The prose rises to heights of unselfconscious eloquence, and we realize with a jolt of excitement that we are in the presence of not a mere action-tale teller, but a stylist, a writer with a vision The reader is captivated by Chandler's seductive prose. Joyce Carol Oates, New York Review of Books Chandler is one of my favorite writers. His books bear rereading every few years. The novels are a perfect snapshot of an American past, and yet the ruined romanticism of the voice is as fresh as if they were written yesterday. Jonathan Lethem Chandler seems to have invented our post-war dream livesthe tough but tender hero, the dangerous blonde, the rain-washed sidewalks, and the roar of the traffic (and the ocean) in the distance Chandler is the classic lonely romantic outsider for our times, and American literature, as well as English, would be the poorer for his absence. Pico Iyer --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Even more: The man in the powder-blue suit which wasn't powder-blue under the lights of the Club Bolivar was tall, with wide- set gray eyes, a thin nose, a jaw of stone. He had a rather sensitive mouth His hair was crisp and black, ever so faintly touched with gray, as by an almost diffident hand. His clothes fitted him as though they had a soul of their own, not just a doubtful past. His name happened to be Mallory. He's doing his next week's drinking too soon. I don't like drunks in the first place and in the second place I don't like them getting drunk in here, and in the third place, I don't like them in the first place. The dark guy took a week to fall down. He stumbled, caught himself, waved one arm, stumbled again. His hat fell off, and then he hit the floor with his face. After he hit it he might have been poured concrete for all the fuss he made. The drunk slid down off the stool and scooped his dimes into a pocket and slid towards the door. He turned sideways, holding the gun across his body. I didn't have a gun. I hadn't thought I needed one to buy a glass of beer. The door swung shut. I started to rush it from long practice in doing the wrong thing. In this case it didn't matter. The car outside let out a roar and when I got onto the sidewalk it was flicking a red smear of tail-light around the nearby corner. I got its license number the way I got my first million. He took his felt hat off and tousled up his ratty blond hair and leaned his head on his hands. He had a long mean horse face. He got a handkerchief out and mopped it, and the back of his neck and the back of his hands. He got a comb out and combed his hair he looked worse with it combed and put his hat back on. She smoothed her hair with that quick gesture, like a bird preening itself. Ten thousand years of practice behind it. We were almost at my door. I jammed the key in and shook the lock around and heaved the door inward. I reached in far enough to switch lights on. She went in past me like a wave. Sandalwood floated on the air, very faint. I shut the door, threw my hat into a chair and watched her stroll over to a card table on which I had a chess problem set out that I couldn't solve. Once inside, with the door locked, her panic had left her. So you're a chess player, she said, in that guarded tone, as if she had come to look at my etchings. I wished she had.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More recent info on sale of heavenly mountain
So what's new?! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: http://www.motherdivine.org/email/updates/2012_4_hm.html VIEW EMAIL WITH IMAGES http://www.motherdivine.org/ The Mother Divine Program: Blissful Life in Freedom, Fullness, and Enlightenment http://www.motherdivine.org/email/images/yellow_leftcolumn.jpg Dearest friends and supporters of the Mother Divine Program, We'd like to bring you up to date with recent developments regarding Heavenly Mountain, North Carolina. As all of you are probably aware, last year we purchased the East Campus property of Heavenly Mountain (Mother Divine's former home) as a permanent home for the Mother Divine Program and Maharishi University of Enlightenment in North America. Since the purchase last May, renovations of the campus have been in progress, and by and large have been going well. However, we are writing now to inform you of the very recent decision we have had to make with respect to these renovations and our property there. After deep consideration and taking advice from experts as well as wise leaders of our Movement, we have concluded that we must stop the renovations on the Heavenly Mountain property and try to sell it. We wanted you to know that this decision was not made lightly, or without careful thought and a very complete assessment of our situation. In the past two months as we started a detailed investigation of all the suites and common areas in the large building and the dining hall, aided by a team of expert subcontractors, we began to uncover more and more work that needed to be done in order for the buildings to meet the basic requirements for occupancy. Even though we had performed thorough due diligence on all the buildings prior to purchase, additional and more extensive damage came to light once the renovations were in process. At first we thought we would be able to overcome these challenges, but this month we received a comprehensive summary report from our project manager and renovations team outlining the scope of work and related costs necessary to achieve partial occupancy of the campus. The report indicated a time line of one year or more with costs exceeding our budget by many millions. In addition, we considered once again the very high operating costs and ongoing maintenance of an older facility such as this and the pressure that would inevitably be put on our future financial requirements. Even though this was factored into our original fundraising goal, we had not counted on the renovations taking so long or being so extensive and costly. We feel that new construction with recent energy saving designs could significantly lower ongoing operating costs and be more sustainable for us in the future. There is still a great need and desire to create a permanent and comfortable home for the Mother Divine Program in North America, a place where we can all be together, expand our numbers, and welcome ladies from all over the world to join us for courses and special programs. The Heavenly Mountain property remains very valuable and for the right person with plentiful resources could be a great investment. We are all very optimistic that the sale of this property will yield a nice profit that can be the seed money for the permanent home for Mother Divine. We have the sense that Nature is organizing for us in the best possible way and guiding us in a very positive direction. We have already started to explore some promising options. We deeply appreciate your continuing support of the Mother Divine Program, and look forward to sharing with you our future plans for a new home for Mother Divine and Maharishi University of Enlightenment that will be sustainable and ideal in every way. Jai Guru Dev With all our love and gratitude, The Raj Rajeshwaris and members of the Mother Divine Program http://www.motherdivine.org/email/images/yellow_rightcolumn.jpg http://www.motherdivine.org/email/images/yellow_footer.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Rumors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Oh my God and the first time I brought tofu to my sister's house. Her five year old Matthew just stood there staring at it. Then totally serious, as only a five year old can be, he asked, Aunt Sharon, can I pet it? Took one look at tofu and realized it was something other than food... smart kid!
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Rumors
refined sugar (is) for (people with) refined consciousness. Maybe what he meant is that you could eat lots of refined sugar after you already had refined consciousness/physiology and were producing soma and all that. (Problem is many (most) people think they are much more evolved than they actually arejust a thot.) Caveat, most of the nutrition ideas we had back in the day, have turned out to be false notions. I for one, cannot live on an all carbohydrate veggie diet...unless being pasty, jiggly and low energy is acceptable.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on Rumors
That was 30 years ago and they still like to tell that story. What's fascinating to me is that now tofu is sold in plain old grocery stores. I remember a time when it could only be found in health food stores. And more: now up to date Boomers know that unfermented tofu is not healthy. Too much estrogen. From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on Rumors --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Oh my God and the first time I brought tofu to my sister's house. Her five year old Matthew just stood there staring at it. Then totally serious, as only a five year old can be, he asked, Aunt Sharon, can I pet it? Took one look at tofu and realized it was something other than food... smart kid!
