[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga is here!
Sat Yuga has been here since Guru Purnima last year, 2005. Where have you been? Sheesh, get with the program, will ya. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Dolphins won! The Giants won! Mahasamhita has been obtained. Sat yuga has arrived. Breakout the bagpipers! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:56:00 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: Why ascribe divine presence to something that doesn't need it? I think it's much more amazing to think of life as having started from nowhere and reaching this level of complexity unaided. Isn't it enough to know that a garden's beautiful without thinking there's fairies at the bottom of it as well? Well said, dude. I've grown so used to being surrounded by theists here that it's really refreshing to hear from someone who can even *conceive* of a universe that doesn't require a deity, and the fact that it would essentially be more interesting than a universe that did have one. Cheers! Shame I'm going away for long weekend and won't know if we've got any converts, perhaps everyone can wait for a week or talk about something else 'til I get back? LOL. I don't know about you, but I'm not looking for converts. Everyone is free to believe what they bloody well want to believe. I'm just looking for a few who seem to be able to conceive of some- thing *other* than what they want to believe. I figure that quest will keep me busy for easily the rest of the incarnation. :-) I quite agree, I was joking about converts we all live in our own universe, besides you can't reason someone out of something they weren't reasoned into! Have a great weekend. Going anywhere interesting? You're from the UK, right? Hope you're getting out into the countryside, or even off island. I'm going hiking in the peak district national park the backbone of England, which is nicely desolate and inspiring and far from the madding crowd. Me, I'm heading off this weekend into Cathar country. Probably going to spend a couple of nights up at Quéribus to blow the cobwebs out. This is what it looks like, if you've never heard of it: http://www.pbase.com/michael_w/image/39417073 Wow, that looks rather dramatic, enjoy! Have fun...be well... Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:51:20 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:48:27 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: Why ascribe divine presence to something that doesn't need it? I think it's much more amazing to think of life as having started from nowhere and reaching this level of complexity unaided. Isn't it enough to know that a garden's beautiful without thinking there's fairies at the bottom of it as well? Well said, dude. I've grown so used to being surrounded by theists here that it's really refreshing to hear from someone who can even *conceive* of a universe that doesn't require a deity, and the fact that it would essentially be more interesting than a universe that did have one. Cheers! Shame I'm going away for long weekend and won't know if we've got any converts, perhaps everyone can wait for a week or talk about something else 'til I get back? I just wrote a long response to your most recent post to me, but Yahoo ate it. I'll try to put it together again for when you return. FWIW, I'm not a theist. Actually what I described that Barry is trashing here is deism, not theism. But I'm not even a deist; I was just presenting the deist view as a more abstract and science-compatible alternative to the Creationism notion of a micromanaging deity, which is in conflict with science. Again Barry's confusing This theory says... with What this theory says is true! He doesn't seem able to conceive of describing a theory or belief without necessarily believing in it oneself. And for those keeping score, this is the third post of mine Barry has trashed after having sworn three days ago to avoid commenting on subjects that even a paranoid obsessive might think were about her personally. I only glanced at the feud thread and so don't know the whole story.But are you sure your History with Barry isn't clouding your judgement here? I didn't think he was trashing your post and maybe the thiest bit wasn't directed solely at you, I'm happy for anyone to pitch in, the more the merrier! Look forward to reading your post when I get back. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:54:57 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip It looked very much as though the dolphin had gotten bored and had decided to test the range of the researcher's hearing. Wouldn't surprise me, they alter the pitch of their voices to talk to humans as sound travels differently through the air. But I don't know about meditation, wouldn't they sink? They *sleep*, so why couldn't they meditate? Apparently they sleep with one half of their brains at a time so they still get to take the odd breath, a neat trick I think. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:51:20 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:48:27 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: Why ascribe divine presence to something that doesn't need it? I think it's much more amazing to think of life as having started from nowhere and reaching this level of complexity unaided. Isn't it enough to know that a garden's beautiful without thinking there's fairies at the bottom of it as well? Well said, dude. I've grown so used to being surrounded by theists here that it's really refreshing to hear from someone who can even *conceive* of a universe that doesn't require a deity, and the fact that it would essentially be more interesting than a universe that did have one. Cheers! Shame I'm going away for long weekend and won't know if we've got any converts, perhaps everyone can wait for a week or talk about something else 'til I get back? I just wrote a long response to your most recent post to me, but Yahoo ate it. I'll try to put it together again for when you return. FWIW, I'm not a theist. Actually what I described that Barry is trashing here is deism, not theism. But I'm not even a deist; I was just presenting the deist view as a more abstract and science-compatible alternative to the Creationism notion of a micromanaging deity, which is in conflict with science. Again Barry's confusing This theory says... with What this theory says is true! He doesn't seem able to conceive of describing a theory or belief without necessarily believing in it oneself. And for those keeping score, this is the third post of mine Barry has trashed after having sworn three days ago to avoid commenting on subjects that even a paranoid obsessive might think were about her personally. I only glanced at the feud thread and so don't know the whole story.But are you sure your History with Barry isn't clouding your judgement here? I didn't think he was trashing your post and maybe the thiest bit wasn't directed solely at you, I'm happy for anyone to pitch in, the more the merrier! If you were tuned in to the history, it would be obvious. It's absolutely typical of Barry's behavior; he's done it countless times in the past. He makes a stab at disguising what he's doing in an attempt to give himself plausible deniability, but it's quite transparent when you've seen it over and over again. Of course anybody's welcome to pitch in. But if you follow Barry's posts, you may notice that a great deal of the time, he doesn't pitch in to discuss ideas but to trash somebody, as here. Notice, by the way, the assumption in what he wrote that theists cannot conceive of a universe that does not require a deity. Of course they can. They've considered it and decided they don't believe it's the case. That sort of profound intellectual dishonesty--always in the service of a putdown--is also typical of Barry. (Not to mention that he doesn't even know what theism *is*.) I could go on, but I'll spare you. Look forward to reading your post when I get back. And I'll look forward to your comments. Have a great weekend! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:42:44 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think the seperation from nature is the whole issue with man, not as individuals but as an evolutionary thing. The seperateness comes from abstract thought, we are the only animal that knows that it will die. All other creatures are blissfully ignorant of this and thus joined to nature by lives of pure instinct. FWIW, there's some evidence that the higher apes are capable of abstract thought. If you paint a red splotch on an orangutan's head, then give it a mirror, it will look at itself in the mirror and then reach for its own head to find out what the splotch is. This is taken to mean that the orang has a sense of itself as an individual, some degree of self- awareneness. Whether it knows that it will die is another question. But do we really know we will die? I suggest that we know only that *others* die and extrapolate from that, but the bottom line is that this is really just a speculation, well founded though it may be. Our intuition, our gut sense, tells us otherwise: we literally cannot conceive--except on an intellectual level--that our consciousness will cease to exist (or that there was a time before our birth when it did not yet exist). We come to believe in the evidence that we will die because we see that others die, but it's still just a belief, and moreover a belief that contradicts our intuition. An orangutan also sees that others like itself die. The higher apes are known to mourn the deaths of others. Given the orangutan's sense of itself as an individual like other individuals it sees die, it's not *too* great a stretch to think it may also extrapolate to the idea that it too will die. In any case, my point is that it's not so much abstract thought that makes the difference, but rather the capacity for self-awareness, which must exist before any abstract thought can take place. But the capacity for self-awareness in and of itself may mandate some degree of abstract thought; and since some animals apparently do have self-awareness, it would follow that they also have some capacity for abstract thought. Yes, I guess as we share 98% of our DNA with these guys there ought to be more similarities than just physical appearance. Is it possible to teach one of the other apes to meditate though? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
From: peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: T Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:22:40 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] As far as I'm aware the yuga cycle takes billions of years to run, so it seems unlikely that it is real as there would have been no humans in existence to experience the last age of enlightenment, or even a universe for them to live in maybe! Aassignement: get a copy of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita. Read the commentary on the first stanza in chapter 4. Findings to be presented in this forum no later than 48 hours from now. Cheers for that! It's been a while since I had any homework but here goes; It starts well, the study of history has definate purpose in ensuring a better present by understanding the past. Yep the value of events is important. I agree that it's purpose is to ensure the path of righteousness for the well being of society. But it says timelines are impossible so let me help you out, One sat yuga=2 million years, thats before the modern human race existed. One chaturyugi=8 million years, hominids were just thinking about walking upright in africa. One manavantara takes us back to the dinosaurs when our ancestors were nibbling insects under cover of darkness. One kalpa or 14 manus is erm, long before the carboniferous when the worlds fossil fuels formed. Actually 14 manus is before the cambrian explosion when complex life first evolved, and all in the sea I hasten to add. So if one day of brahma equals 75 million years and there are 30 to a month, and 12 months to a year and one hundred years of brahma. shit! my calculator has run out of noughts. But, unless my maths has failed me completely, we are back to the dust cloud the sun has yet to form from. So maybe the universe was still here. Can we just say I was half right? Or how about three quarters because I doubt these ancient writings are be taken that literally, I would say they are more the history of the consciousness of that civilisation. So, perhaps asking if sat yuga is a fairy tale is not the right question, most human religions have tales of a blissfull life with god before a fall from grace, I like the idea that they symbolise the emergence of self awareness and the resultant seperateness from nature. All our meditating and rituals since then have been an attempt to regain that unity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or how about three quarters because I doubt these ancient writings are be taken that literally, I would say they are more the history of the consciousness of that civilisation. So, perhaps asking if sat yuga is a fairy tale is not the right question, most human religions have tales of a blissfull life with god before a fall from grace, I like the idea that they symbolise the emergence of self awareness and the resultant seperateness from nature. All our meditating and rituals since then have been an attempt to regain that unity. And the real joke of it all is that the myth is WRONG. There has never been a moment when anyone in human history has ever lost their unity and fallen from grace. They all -- each and every one of them -- have always already been enlightened. The entire issue of separation from nature is a non-issue, an illusion based on ignorance of what has always already been present. So the myth of the fall was developed to describe the ignorance and the illusion, *not* to describe any kind of reality. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
From: sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: T Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:36:41 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:11:59 -0500 on 4/18/06 1:13 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. yeah-- very difficult to promote ideals during kali yuga because it is so hard to sustain them. we keep trying though. Just as a question, how many people believe that Sat Yuga ever existed? As far as I'm aware the yuga cycle takes billions of years to run, so it seems unlikely that it is real as there would have been no humans in existence to experience the last age of enlightenment, or even a universe for them to live in maybe! Of course, it depends which universe we're talking about... Standard Quantum Mechanics can lead to 4 levels of multiverse. The first is based on the assumption that the universe is really infinite even if we can't see past 15 or so billion lightyears where the local big bang happened. If the universe is infinite, EVERY possible permutation of elementary particles and forces exists somewhere, including infinitely many exact duplicates of our own universe. The second is the many worlds theory, where everything that can happen DOES happen, leading to the creation of alternate universes with every single one of an infinite number of possible outcomes for every single possible quantum mechanical event.This works out to being the same universe as the first, for all practical purposes. The third multiverse is like the first two, except that every single possible value of every cosmological constant exists. The fourth is where every possible mathematically consistent description of a universe is true, which means that ANYTHING that we can conceive of as a rule including anything that story-tellers and song-writers come up with, is true, in some universe, not to mention all the stuff we can't conceive of -- if its consistent, it exists. Those are the universes WE can conceive of andthey are all consisten with quantum mechanics. Who knows what else can exist if God exists (and of course, if the fourth level of multiverse exists, than God MUST exist). Of course, it could be something even wierder or perhaps much simpler, and how can we ever be sure that we have the right answer? But if this is what the writers of the vedas meant I'm sure they would have said so, unless consciousness really is the unified field, who knows? Not me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: Or how about three quarters because I doubt these ancient writings are be taken that literally, I would say they are more the history of the consciousness of that civilisation. So, perhaps asking if sat yuga is a fairy tale is not the right question, most human religions have tales of a blissfull life with god before a fall from grace, I like the idea that they symbolise the emergence of self awareness and the resultant seperateness from nature. All our meditating and rituals since then have been an attempt to regain that unity. And the real joke of it all is that the myth is WRONG. There has never been a moment when anyone in human history has ever lost their unity and fallen from grace. They all -- each and every one of them -- have always already been enlightened. The entire issue of separation from nature is a non-issue, an illusion based on ignorance of what has always already been present. So the myth of the fall was developed to describe the ignorance and the illusion, *not* to describe any kind of reality. :-) Maya is every bit as real (or more so) to the unenlightened as Unity is to the enlightened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: T Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:36:41 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: From: Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:11:59 -0500 on 4/18/06 1:13 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. yeah-- very difficult to promote ideals during kali yuga because it is so hard to sustain them. we keep trying though. Just as a question, how many people believe that Sat Yuga ever existed? As far as I'm aware the yuga cycle takes billions of years to run, so it seems unlikely that it is real as there would have been no humans in existence to experience the last age of enlightenment, or even a universe for them to live in maybe! Of course, it depends which universe we're talking about... Standard Quantum Mechanics can lead to 4 levels of multiverse. The first is based on the assumption that the universe is really infinite even if we can't see past 15 or so billion lightyears where the local big bang happened. If the universe is infinite, EVERY possible permutation of elementary particles and forces exists somewhere, including infinitely many exact duplicates of our own universe. The second is the many worlds theory, where everything that can happen DOES happen, leading to the creation of alternate universes with every single one of an infinite number of possible outcomes for every single possible quantum mechanical event.This works out to being the same universe as the first, for all practical purposes. The third multiverse is like the first two, except that every single possible value of every cosmological constant exists. The fourth is where every possible mathematically consistent description of a universe is true, which means that ANYTHING that we can conceive of as a rule including anything that story-tellers and song-writers come up with, is true, in some universe, not to mention all the stuff we can't conceive of -- if its consistent, it exists. Those are the universes WE can conceive of andthey are all consisten with quantum mechanics. Who knows what else can exist if God exists (and of course, if the fourth level of multiverse exists, than God MUST exist). Of course, it could be something even wierder or perhaps much simpler, and how can we ever be sure that we have the right answer? But if this is what the writers of the vedas meant I'm sure they would have said so, unless consciousness really is the unified field, who knows? Not me. How can consciousness NOT be the unified field? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:03:52 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or how about three quarters because I doubt these ancient writings are be taken that literally, I would say they are more the history of the consciousness of that civilisation. So, perhaps asking if sat yuga is a fairy tale is not the right question, most human religions have tales of a blissfull life with god before a fall from grace, I like the idea that they symbolise the emergence of self awareness and the resultant seperateness from nature. All our meditating and rituals since then have been an attempt to regain that unity. And the real joke of it all is that the myth is WRONG. There has never been a moment when anyone in human history has ever lost their unity and fallen from grace. They all -- each and every one of them -- have always already been enlightened. The entire issue of separation from nature is a non-issue, an illusion based on ignorance of what has always already been present. So the myth of the fall was developed to describe the ignorance and the illusion, *not* to describe any kind of reality. :-) I think the seperation from nature is the whole issue with man, not as individuals but as an evolutionary thing. The seperateness comes from abstract thought, we are the only animal that knows that it will die. All other creatures are blissfully ignorant of this and thus joined to nature by lives of pure instinct. Can we go back? Surely enlightenment, the living in the moment aspect, is paradise regained because we are at one with the needs of the moment and not worrying about past/present, but with the added bonus of total self awareness. I've never liked the idea that we are already enlightened as my experience of higher states has shown me amazing levels of perception and bliss with a definite progression in that direction day-to-day. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: Or how about three quarters because I doubt these ancient writings are be taken that literally, I would say they are more the history of the consciousness of that civilisation. So, perhaps asking if sat yuga is a fairy tale is not the right question, most human religions have tales of a blissfull life with god before a fall from grace, I like the idea that they symbolise the emergence of self awareness and the resultant seperateness from nature. All our meditating and rituals since then have been an attempt to regain that unity. And the real joke of it all is that the myth is WRONG. There has never been a moment when anyone in human history has ever lost their unity and fallen from grace. They all -- each and every one of them -- have always already been enlightened. The entire issue of separation from nature is a non-issue, an illusion based on ignorance of what has always already been present. So the myth of the fall was developed to describe the ignorance and the illusion, *not* to describe any kind of reality. :-) I think the seperation from nature is the whole issue with man, not as individuals but as an evolutionary thing. The seperateness comes from abstract thought, we are the only animal that knows that it will die. All other creatures are blissfully ignorant of this and thus joined to nature by lives of pure instinct. I'm not completely convinced this is true (about other animals being unaware of their mortality), but it's an interesting idea relating that to abstract thought. I have no opinion on the matter. Can we go back? Surely enlightenment, the living in the moment aspect, is paradise regained because we are at one with the needs of the moment and not worrying about past/present, but with the added bonus of total self awareness. But I wouldn't say 'paradise regained' because subjec- tively (at least for me, during periodic episodes) it was more of a realization of something that had always been present and not previously recognized than of gaining something new. There was never any sense of anything new; it had always been. I've never liked the idea that we are already enlightened as my experience of higher states has shown me amazing levels of perception and bliss with a definite progression in that direction day-to-day. My experience has been different. So it goes... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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From: sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:48:05 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can consciousness NOT be the unified field? By being nothing more than a product of our brains and disappearing when we die. I always thought the concept of transcending from the relative to oneness was simply analogous to the way the physical universe is structured. This seems likely as consciousness being the UF implies that consciousness was here first, which seems to contradict everything else we know about the universe. I'm sure a unified theory of life wouldn't do that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
---Richard wrote: we are the only animal that knows that it will die. I'm not so sure about this. I seem to recall that gorillas who've learned sign language have talked about the end of life. Maybe it was Koko who talked about this. With her limited vocabulary she gave it a somewhat simplistic, poetic description, something like going to the place of sleep. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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From: Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:26:54 - ---Richard wrote: we are the only animal that knows that it will die. I'm not so sure about this. I seem to recall that gorillas who've learned sign language have talked about the end of life. Maybe it was Koko who talked about this. With her limited vocabulary she gave it a somewhat simplistic, poetic description, something like going to the place of sleep. That's really interesting, but wouldn't sign language be their first brush with abstract thought and thus first way of thinking about death? Or maybe they do know all about it and are totally at peace with the idea, who knows? One swift look around the internet later, and it would seem that Koko did talk about death, no details here but I shall keep looking. . http://dragon.zoo.utoronto.ca/~x19919/mylinkspage.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:48:05 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: How can consciousness NOT be the unified field? By being nothing more than a product of our brains and disappearing when we die. I always thought the concept of transcending from the relative to oneness was simply analogous to the way the physical universe is structured. This seems likely as consciousness being the UF implies that consciousness was here first, which seems to contradict everything else we know about the universe. I'm sure a unified theory of life wouldn't do that. Consciousness doesn't mean consciousness OF something, but rather the self-interacting dynamics of a non-differentiated thingie. Suggest you check out John Hagelin's lectures on the subject. The replay of the weekend with David Lynch found at http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org is a good place to start. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: Or how about three quarters because I doubt these ancient writings are be taken that literally, I would say they are more the history of the consciousness of that civilisation. So, perhaps asking if sat yuga is a fairy tale is not the right question, most human religions have tales of a blissfull life with god before a fall from grace, I like the idea that they symbolise the emergence of self awareness and the resultant seperateness from nature. All our meditating and rituals since then have been an attempt to regain that unity. And the real joke of it all is that the myth is WRONG. There has never been a moment when anyone in human history has ever lost their unity and fallen from grace. They all -- each and every one of them -- have always already been enlightened. The entire issue of separation from nature is a non-issue, an illusion based on ignorance of what has always already been present. So the myth of the fall was developed to describe the ignorance and the illusion, *not* to describe any kind of reality. :-) Actually it describes the reality of ignorance of the reality. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- Richard Hughes wrote: wouldn't sign language be their first brush with abstract thought and thus first way of thinking about death? Does abstract thought require language? I've run across that notion, and it's never made sense to me. I have preverbal hunches all the time. Language doesn't seem to make those hunches possible. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:48:05 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: How can consciousness NOT be the unified field? By being nothing more than a product of our brains and disappearing when we die. I always thought the concept of transcending from the relative to oneness was simply analogous to the way the physical universe is structured. This seems likely as consciousness being the UF implies that consciousness was here first, which seems to contradict everything else we know about the universe. What does it contradict that we know about the universe? According to the UF notion, the material universe (along with time and space) manifested *from* consciousness (which is said to be nonlocal and timeless). In other words--as I understand it-- the UF notion encompasses everything we know about the universe; further, there is nothing we *could* know about the universe that would not already be encompassed by the UF notion. I'm sure a unified theory of life wouldn't do that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think the seperation from nature is the whole issue with man, not as individuals but as an evolutionary thing. The seperateness comes from abstract thought, we are the only animal that knows that it will die. All other creatures are blissfully ignorant of this and thus joined to nature by lives of pure instinct. FWIW, there's some evidence that the higher apes are capable of abstract thought. If you paint a red splotch on an orangutan's head, then give it a mirror, it will look at itself in the mirror and then reach for its own head to find out what the splotch is. This is taken to mean that the orang has a sense of itself as an individual, some degree of self- awareneness. Whether it knows that it will die is another question. But do we really know we will die? I suggest that we know only that *others* die and extrapolate from that, but the bottom line is that this is really just a speculation, well founded though it may be. Our intuition, our gut sense, tells us otherwise: we literally cannot conceive--except on an intellectual level--that our consciousness will cease to exist (or that there was a time before our birth when it did not yet exist). We come to believe in the evidence that we will die because we see that others die, but it's still just a belief, and moreover a belief that contradicts our intuition. An orangutan also sees that others like itself die. The higher apes are known to mourn the deaths of others. Given the orangutan's sense of itself as an individual like other individuals it sees die, it's not *too* great a stretch to think it may also extrapolate to the idea that it too will die. In any case, my point is that it's not so much abstract thought that makes the difference, but rather the capacity for self-awareness, which must exist before any abstract thought can take place. But the capacity for self-awareness in and of itself may mandate some degree of abstract thought; and since some animals apparently do have self-awareness, it would follow that they also have some capacity for abstract thought. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:24:04 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:48:05 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: How can consciousness NOT be the unified field? By being nothing more than a product of our brains and disappearing when we die. I always thought the concept of transcending from the relative to oneness was simply analogous to the way the physical universe is structured. This seems likely as consciousness being the UF implies that consciousness was here first, which seems to contradict everything else we know about the universe. What does it contradict that we know about the universe? According to the UF notion, the material universe (along with time and space) manifested *from* consciousness (which is said to be nonlocal and timeless). In other words--as I understand it-- the UF notion encompasses everything we know about the universe; further, there is nothing we *could* know about the universe that would not already be encompassed by the UF notion. So why call the UF consciousness if it's no different from standard scientific models about reality? it confuses the issue with our own awareness (To me anyway) I always understood the vedic position to be that the UF is the mind of god and that it guides the creation of the universe. This how it's taught or that's the implication I get from reading Tony Naders book of discoveries about the ved, I could write an essay about the anthropomorphism there. And that, if I've understood it, does contradict what we know as the evolution of life is a blind process, and the universe didn't need any help getting from the big bang to here. Perhaps we try too hard to integrate ancient beliefs with modern understanding, mans existence wasn't pre-ordained and we are certainly not the ultimate statement of creation. Encompassed by UF yes, explained no. One of the things that annoys me about people you meet in TM circles is they always pass off every statement or new discovery about the universe etc.with a breezy oh it's all consciousness as though that explains anything at all. There are still very many mysteries, including the actual nature of fundamental reality, just try telling a non-movement phycisist that consciousness is the UF and they say well yes maybebut it's impossible to actually prove it so it's not a done deal. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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From: sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:52:52 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:48:05 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: How can consciousness NOT be the unified field? By being nothing more than a product of our brains and disappearing when we die. I always thought the concept of transcending from the relative to oneness was simply analogous to the way the physical universe is structured. This seems likely as consciousness being the UF implies that consciousness was here first, which seems to contradict everything else we know about the universe. I'm sure a unified theory of life wouldn't do that. Consciousness doesn't mean consciousness OF something, but rather the self-interacting dynamics of a non-differentiated thingie.I hope you're not trying to blind me with science But if we evolve from consciousnssdefined as non-differentiated then it must go through a hell of a transformation before it becomes our awareness I'm not convinced it's the same thing at all, always happy to be proved wrong though. Suggest you check out John Hagelin's lectures on the subject. The replay of the weekend with David Lynch found at http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org is a good place to start. Cheers for that, when I get onto a computer with more than 0.2 hz power I will take a look. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
How can consciousness NOT be the unified field? That 99.9% of professional physicists do not equate the unified field with consciousness says something to a layman like myself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: From: sparaig sparaig@ Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:48:05 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: How can consciousness NOT be the unified field? By being nothing more than a product of our brains and disappearing when we die. I always thought the concept of transcending from the relative to oneness was simply analogous to the way the physical universe is structured. This seems likely as consciousness being the UF implies that consciousness was here first, which seems to contradict everything else we know about the universe. What does it contradict that we know about the universe? According to the UF notion, the material universe (along with time and space) manifested *from* consciousness (which is said to be nonlocal and timeless). In other words--as I understand it-- the UF notion encompasses everything we know about the universe; further, there is nothing we *could* know about the universe that would not already be encompassed by the UF notion. So why call the UF consciousness if it's no different from standard scientific models about reality? it confuses the issue with our own awareness (To me anyway) I always understood the vedic position to be that the UF is the mind of god and that it guides the creation of the universe. This how it's taught or that's the implication I get from reading Tony Naders book of discoveries about the ved, I could write an essay about the anthropomorphism there. And that, if I've understood it, does contradict what we know as the evolution of life is a blind process, and the universe didn't need any help getting from the big bang to here. It's entirely possible to believe in an all-knowing, all- powerful God who planned everything and also accept evolution; such a God would be entirely capable of designing a blind process that would result in the creation and evolution of life without His/Her/Its tinkering once it was launched. But it would still look to us exactly as if the process emerged and operated entirely on its own; it wouldn't contradict anything we know about the evolution of life. Perhaps we try too hard to integrate ancient beliefs with modern understanding I think we try to interpret ancient beliefs too literally sometimes. The ancients had to use metaphor for their intuitive insights because they didn't have our scientific terminology. But the underlying concepts may well be very similar. , mans existence wasn't pre-ordained and we are certainly not the ultimate statement of creation. Encompassed by UF yes, explained no. One of the things that annoys me about people you meet in TM circles is they always pass off every statement or new discovery about the universe etc.with a breezy oh it's all consciousness as though that explains anything at all. There are still very many mysteries, including the actual nature of fundamental reality, just try telling a non-movement phycisist that consciousness is the UF and they say well yes maybebut it's impossible to actually prove it so it's not a done deal. It's theoretically possible to prove it, according to what MMY teaches, or at least to disprove the notion that there's nothing beyond standard materialism. Real levitation, for example, would demonstrate unequivocally that the materialist model is not the whole story. Orthodox science still doesn't have a clue about the nature of ordinary human consciousness; that's the biggest mystery of all. I doubt it will ever be cracked by orthodox science unless it figures out some way to quantify subjective experience and incorporate it into scientific theory--which is pretty much a contradiction in terms. I think a lot of TMers (and other New Age types) don't grasp much of the hard problem of consciousness and its epistemological ramifications. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [I wrote:] In any case, my point is that it's not so much abstract thought that makes the difference, but rather the capacity for self-awareness, which must exist before any abstract thought can take place. But the capacity for self-awareness in and of itself may mandate some degree of abstract thought; and since some animals apparently do have self-awareness, it would follow that they also have some capacity for abstract thought. Yes, I guess as we share 98% of our DNA with these guys there ought to be more similarities than just physical appearance. Is it possible to teach one of the other apes to meditate though? Probably not unless we learn to speak (other) ape! On the other hand, for all we know, they may meditate already, having discovered meditation on their own. Dolphins too, perhaps. One of my favorite (allegedly true) dolphin stories: A researcher was training a dolphin to make a sound on signal, to be rewarded with a fish. The dolphin picked it up quickly, but the researcher kept testing it over and over. At one point the dolphin suddenly stopped squeaking in response to the signals, although the researcher was signalling in exactly the same way. After several more tries, the dolphin began squeaking on signal again. The researcher was puzzled as to why it should have stopped for a while after it had mastered the trick. Then he looked at the recording instruments that were monitoring the sessions. Apparently the dolphin had been squeaking on signal all along, but at the point when it seemed to have stopped, it had actually lowered the frequency of its squeak well below the level of human hearing. Not only that, but when it didn't get a fish after its first low-pitched squeak, rather than returning to its normal frequency, it raised its squeaks in small increments until the researcher began giving it fish again. It looked very much as though the dolphin had gotten bored and had decided to test the range of the researcher's hearing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:21 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- Richard Hughes wrote: wouldn't sign language be their first brush with abstract thought and thus first way of thinking about death? Does abstract thought require language? I've run across that notion, and it's never made sense to me. I have preverbal hunches all the time. Language doesn't seem to make those hunches possible. In the mantric theory of speech there is an aspect of thought--mental speech--which occurs both before the thought divides into words which make up sentences and are in a sequential order. In other words, the style of speech which comes before sequential thought is basically an impulse or flash in which it is one unit and not in any sequence. This relates to the aspect of mentation in mantra use where the mantra becomes vague or seems to change in some abstract way. What's really happening when you think about such a level of thought is that you are trying to apprehend it using sequential thought and that just doesn't work, it's beyond sequential probing; it's not even in a sequence yet. People will often talk of it as having been seen in a flash and that's how the rishi's describe it as visionary speech: pashyanti. We all have it. Some people are able to communicate from this level consciously which can be annoying to those who can't--you're always getting what they're going to say, before they say it. Others will be able to grasp entire groups of concepts and idea, just by having that flash. In higher forms of perception, like samadhi, entire volumes of knowledge and wisdom can be acquired using this type of speech. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Richard Hughes wrote: wouldn't sign language be their first brush with abstract thought and thus first way of thinking about death? Does abstract thought require language? I've run across that notion, and it's never made sense to me. I have preverbal hunches all the time. Language doesn't seem to make those hunches possible. I don't think in words unless I have some intention to eventually communicate what I'm thinking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: [I wrote:] In any case, my point is that it's not so much abstract thought that makes the difference, but rather the capacity for self-awareness, which must exist before any abstract thought can take place. But the capacity for self-awareness in and of itself may mandate some degree of abstract thought; and since some animals apparently do have self-awareness, it would follow that they also have some capacity for abstract thought. Yes, I guess as we share 98% of our DNA with these guys there ought to be more similarities than just physical appearance. Is it possible to teach one of the other apes to meditate though? Probably not unless we learn to speak (other) ape! On the other hand, for all we know, they may meditate already, having discovered meditation on their own. Dolphins too, perhaps. One of my favorite (allegedly true) dolphin stories: A researcher was training a dolphin to make a sound on signal, to be rewarded with a fish. The dolphin picked it up quickly, but the researcher kept testing it over and over. At one point the dolphin suddenly stopped squeaking in response to the signals, although the researcher was signalling in exactly the same way. After several more tries, the dolphin began squeaking on signal again. The researcher was puzzled as to why it should have stopped for a while after it had mastered the trick. Then he looked at the recording instruments that were monitoring the sessions. Apparently the dolphin had been squeaking on signal all along, but at the point when it seemed to have stopped, it had actually lowered the frequency of its squeak well below the level of human hearing. Not only that, but when it didn't get a fish after its first low-pitched squeak, rather than returning to its normal frequency, it raised its squeaks in small increments until the researcher began giving it fish again. It looked very much as though the dolphin had gotten bored and had decided to test the range of the researcher's hearing. Very cool! Thanks for posting that. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:41:21 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: From: sparaig sparaig@ Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:48:05 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: It's entirely possible to believe in an all-knowing, all- powerful God who planned everything and also accept evolution; such a God would be entirely capable of designing a blind process that would result in the creation and evolution of life without His/Her/Its tinkering once it was launched. Possible to believe yes, but why bother? Why ascribe divine presence to something that doesn't need it? I think it's much more amazing to think of life as having started from nowhere and reaching this level of complexity unaided. Isn't it enough to know that a garden's beautiful without thinking there's fairies at the bottom of it as well? But it would still look to us exactly as if the process emerged and operated entirely on its own; it wouldn't contradict anything we know about the evolution of life. The problem I have here is that any god must be infinitely more complex than even the simplest thing in his creation so it doesn't explain anything, it's just a way to push the problem somewhere else. I think we try to interpret ancient beliefs too literally sometimes. The ancients had to use metaphor for their intuitive insights because they didn't have our scientific terminology. But the underlying concepts may well be very similar. No, they didn't have our scientific method, the whole point of the rennaisance was that, freed from the limits imposed by religious doctrine, we could really explore what is and what isn't and look at what we've done since then. Without that it's likely we would still think the earth was created in 6 days or had been here forever. Perhaps these intuitive insights are really attempts to bring order to a chaotic world, I can't deny the real wisdom and beauty of the Vedas but do we need to accept the whole thing as literally true? Encompassed by UF yes, explained no. One of the things that annoys me about people you meet in TM circles is they always pass off every statement or new discovery about the universe etc.with a breezy oh it's all consciousness as though that explains anything at all. There are still very many mysteries, including the actual nature of fundamental reality, just try telling a non-movement phycisist that consciousness is the UF and they say well yes maybebut it's impossible to actually prove it so it's not a done deal. It's theoretically possible to prove it, according to what MMY teaches, or at least to disprove the notion that there's nothing beyond standard materialism. Real levitation, for example, would demonstrate unequivocally that the materialist model is not the whole story. It most definately would, there is just one problem.. Orthodox science still doesn't have a clue about the nature of ordinary human consciousness; that's the biggest mystery of all. I doubt it will ever be cracked by orthodox science unless it figures out some way to quantify subjective experience and incorporate it into scientific theory--which is pretty much a contradiction in terms. There is an new science book called consciousness explained I have been dying to read, perhaps once I'm fully up with the latest discoveries I will be able to answer that. I get the impression from reviews the writers think they are on the case as far as the mystery goes, and it isn't all that mystical. We shall see, nothing is absolute yet as far as I am concerned. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why ascribe divine presence to something that doesn't need it? I think it's much more amazing to think of life as having started from nowhere and reaching this level of complexity unaided. Isn't it enough to know that a garden's beautiful without thinking there's fairies at the bottom of it as well? Well said, dude. I've grown so used to being surrounded by theists here that it's really refreshing to hear from someone who can even *conceive* of a universe that doesn't require a deity, and the fact that it would essentially be more interesting than a universe that did have one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:21 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- Richard Hughes wrote: wouldn't sign language be their first brush with abstract thought and thus first way of thinking about death? Does abstract thought require language? I've run across that notion, and it's never made sense to me. I have preverbal hunches all the time. Language doesn't seem to make those hunches possible. In the mantric theory of speech there is an aspect of thought--mental speech--which occurs both before the thought divides into words which make up sentences and are in a sequential order. In other words, the style of speech which comes before sequential thought is basically an impulse or flash in which it is one unit and not in any sequence. This relates to the aspect of mentation in mantra use where the mantra becomes vague or seems to change in some abstract way. What's really happening when you think about such a level of thought is that you are trying to apprehend it using sequential thought and that just doesn't work, it's beyond sequential probing; it's not even in a sequence yet. People will often talk of it as having been seen in a flash and that's how the rishi's describe it as visionary speech: pashyanti. We all have it. Some people are able to communicate from this level consciously which can be annoying to those who can't--you're always getting what they're going to say, before they say it. Others will be able to grasp entire groups of concepts and idea, just by having that flash. In higher forms of perception, like samadhi, entire volumes of knowledge and wisdom can be acquired using this type of speech. Thanks for bringing this up. I am frequently in the position of feeling or seeing the impulse of my thoughts at once, and then trying to figure out how to convey them sequentially. The process seems to be one of feeling the impulse and just letting it unravel out of my mouth or off my fingers. Do you have any info regarding the discrete elements of this pashyanti? I ask because the visionary speech appears to be a singular flash, that can be deconstructed, or parsed, into the values of time, emotion, logic, and emphasis, surrounding the information to be conveyed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:57:37 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [I wrote:] In any case, my point is that it's not so much abstract thought that makes the difference, but rather the capacity for self-awareness, which must exist before any abstract thought can take place. But the capacity for self-awareness in and of itself may mandate some degree of abstract thought; and since some animals apparently do have self-awareness, it would follow that they also have some capacity for abstract thought. Yes, I guess as we share 98% of our DNA with these guys there ought to be more similarities than just physical appearance. Is it possible to teach one of the other apes to meditate though? Probably not unless we learn to speak (other) ape! I was thinking of Koko and her sign language. On the other hand, for all we know, they may meditate already, having discovered meditation on their own. I doubt that but it does make me wonder about just how different we are and why that 2% difference gives us the capacity for mystical experience as well as everything else. Dolphins too, perhaps. One of my favorite (allegedly true) dolphin stories: A researcher was training a dolphin to make a sound on signal, to be rewarded with a fish. The dolphin picked it up quickly, but the researcher kept testing it over and over. At one point the dolphin suddenly stopped squeaking in response to the signals, although the researcher was signalling in exactly the same way. After several more tries, the dolphin began squeaking on signal again. The researcher was puzzled as to why it should have stopped for a while after it had mastered the trick. Then he looked at the recording instruments that were monitoring the sessions. Apparently the dolphin had been squeaking on signal all along, but at the point when it seemed to have stopped, it had actually lowered the frequency of its squeak well below the level of human hearing. Not only that, but when it didn't get a fish after its first low-pitched squeak, rather than returning to its normal frequency, it raised its squeaks in small increments until the researcher began giving it fish again. It looked very much as though the dolphin had gotten bored and had decided to test the range of the researcher's hearing. Wouldn't surprise me, they alter the pitch of their voices to talk to humans as sound travels differently through the air. But I don't know about meditation, wouldn't they sink? Seriously though, I think man is the only animal that could meditate and I would say we came pre-adapted for the ability when we evolved such complex speech centres in our brains. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can consciousness NOT be the unified field? That 99.9% of professional physicists do not equate the unified field with consciousness says something to a layman like myself. Are they meditators? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:48:27 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why ascribe divine presence to something that doesn't need it? I think it's much more amazing to think of life as having started from nowhere and reaching this level of complexity unaided. Isn't it enough to know that a garden's beautiful without thinking there's fairies at the bottom of it as well? Well said, dude. I've grown so used to being surrounded by theists here that it's really refreshing to hear from someone who can even *conceive* of a universe that doesn't require a deity, and the fact that it would essentially be more interesting than a universe that did have one. Cheers! Shame I'm going away for long weekend and won't know if we've got any converts, perhaps everyone can wait for a week or talk about something else 'til I get back? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: Why ascribe divine presence to something that doesn't need it? I think it's much more amazing to think of life as having started from nowhere and reaching this level of complexity unaided. Isn't it enough to know that a garden's beautiful without thinking there's fairies at the bottom of it as well? Well said, dude. I've grown so used to being surrounded by theists here that it's really refreshing to hear from someone who can even *conceive* of a universe that doesn't require a deity, and the fact that it would essentially be more interesting than a universe that did have one. Cheers! Shame I'm going away for long weekend and won't know if we've got any converts, perhaps everyone can wait for a week or talk about something else 'til I get back? LOL. I don't know about you, but I'm not looking for converts. Everyone is free to believe what they bloody well want to believe. I'm just looking for a few who seem to be able to conceive of some- thing *other* than what they want to believe. I figure that quest will keep me busy for easily the rest of the incarnation. :-) Have a great weekend. Going anywhere interesting? You're from the UK, right? Hope you're getting out into the countryside, or even off island. Me, I'm heading off this weekend into Cathar country. Probably going to spend a couple of nights up at Quéribus to blow the cobwebs out. This is what it looks like, if you've never heard of it: http://www.pbase.com/michael_w/image/39417073 Have fun...be well... Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
On Apr 19, 2006, at 1:49 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: In the mantric theory of speech there is an aspect of thought--mental speech--which occurs both before the thought divides into words which make up sentences and are in a sequential order. In other words, the style of speech which comes before sequential thought is basically an impulse or flash in which it is one unit and not in any sequence. This relates to the aspect of mentation in mantra use where the mantra becomes vague or seems to change in some abstract way. What's really happening when you think about such a level of thought is that you are trying to apprehend it using sequential thought and that just doesn't work, it's beyond sequential probing; it's not even in a sequence yet. People will often talk of it as having been seen in a flash and that's how the rishi's describe it as visionary speech: pashyanti. We all have it. Some people are able to communicate from this level consciously which can be annoying to those who can't--you're always getting what they're going to say, before they say it. Others will be able to grasp entire groups of concepts and idea, just by having that flash. In higher forms of perception, like samadhi, entire volumes of knowledge and wisdom can be acquired using this type of speech. Thanks for bringing this up. I am frequently in the position of feeling or seeing the impulse of my thoughts at once, and then trying to figure out how to convey them sequentially. The process seems to be one of feeling the impulse and just letting it unravel out of my mouth or off my fingers. Do you have any info regarding the discrete elements of this pashyanti? I ask because the visionary speech appears to be a singular flash, that can be deconstructed, or parsed, into the values of time, emotion, logic, and emphasis, surrounding the information to be conveyed. Yes, I do, quite a bit. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [...] Encompassed by UF yes, explained no. One of the things that annoys me about people you meet in TM circles is they always pass off every statement or new discovery about the universe etc.with a breezy oh it's all consciousness as though that explains anything at all. There are still very many mysteries, including the actual nature of fundamental reality, just try telling a non-movement phycisist that consciousness is the UF and they say well yes maybebut it's impossible to actually prove it so it's not a done deal. Again, check out John H's lectures online. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip It looked very much as though the dolphin had gotten bored and had decided to test the range of the researcher's hearing. Wouldn't surprise me, they alter the pitch of their voices to talk to humans as sound travels differently through the air. But I don't know about meditation, wouldn't they sink? They *sleep*, so why couldn't they meditate? Seriously though, I think man is the only animal that could meditate and I would say we came pre-adapted for the ability when we evolved such complex speech centres in our brains. I don't know whether the speech centers have anything to do with it, but I agree that it isn't likely any animal meditates. It's just an intriguing thought. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:52:52 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: From: sparaig sparaig@ Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:48:05 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: How can consciousness NOT be the unified field? By being nothing more than a product of our brains and disappearing when we die. I always thought the concept of transcending from the relative to oneness was simply analogous to the way the physical universe is structured. This seems likely as consciousness being the UF implies that consciousness was here first, which seems to contradict everything else we know about the universe. I'm sure a unified theory of life wouldn't do that. Consciousness doesn't mean consciousness OF something, but rather the self-interacting dynamics of a non-differentiated thingie.I hope you're not trying to blind me with science But if we evolve from consciousnssdefined as non-differentiated then it must go through a hell of a transformation before it becomes our awareness I'm not convinced it's the same thing at all, always happy to be proved wrong though. Yep. The process is instantaneous for much of the unfoldment. Until a certain level of complexity, there's no time, no space, no matter and no energy. Suggest you check out John Hagelin's lectures on the subject. The replay of the weekend with David Lynch found at http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org is a good place to start. Cheers for that, when I get onto a computer with more than 0.2 hz power I will take a look. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [..] There is an new science book called consciousness explained I have been dying to read, perhaps once I'm fully up with the latest discoveries I will be able to answer that. I get the impression from reviews the writers think they are on the case as far as the mystery goes, and it isn't all that mystical. We shall see, nothing is absolute yet as far as I am concerned. Anyone who claims to explain consciousness scientifically is talking mysticism at this point. I prefer the TM-style of mysticism to some other style. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
Maya is every bit as real (or more so) to the unenlightened as Unity is to the enlightened. I agree with what you are trying to say here, but I would phrase it differently, with either: Avidya is every bit as real (or more so) to the unenlightened as Unity is to the enlightened. or Avidya is every bit as real (or more so) to the unenlightened as maya is to the enlightened. The point being unity is required to comprehend maya. --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: Or how about three quarters because I doubt these ancient writings are be taken that literally, I would say they are more the history of the consciousness of that civilisation. So, perhaps asking if sat yuga is a fairy tale is not the right question, most human religions have tales of a blissfull life with god before a fall from grace, I like the idea that they symbolise the emergence of self awareness and the resultant seperateness from nature. All our meditating and rituals since then have been an attempt to regain that unity. And the real joke of it all is that the myth is WRONG. There has never been a moment when anyone in human history has ever lost their unity and fallen from grace. They all -- each and every one of them -- have always already been enlightened. The entire issue of separation from nature is a non-issue, an illusion based on ignorance of what has always already been present. So the myth of the fall was developed to describe the ignorance and the illusion, *not* to describe any kind of reality. :-) Maya is every bit as real (or more so) to the unenlightened as Unity is to the enlightened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 1:13 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. yeah-- very difficult to promote ideals during kali yuga because it is so hard to sustain them. we keep trying though. Just as a question, how many people believe that Sat Yuga ever existed? I once would have told you that it definitely existed because the Vedas say it did and the Vedas are true. Now the best I can do is say that the Yuga cycles theory is an interesting one. I tend to believe in it, but who knows? I also believe that UFOs have been visiting Earth for a long time (the evidence for this is stronger than the evidence for Sat Yuga), that angels exist, the reincarnation is real, etc., etc., but I regard all these as theories that resonate with me that I'm willing to drop if proven wrong, rather than as gospel truths. A favorite expression of mine is ,if you can imagine it, it exists. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: T
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] As far as I'm aware the yuga cycle takes billions of years to run, so it seems unlikely that it is real as there would have been no humans in existence to experience the last age of enlightenment, or even a universe for them to live in maybe! Aassignement: get a copy of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita. Read the commentary on the first stanza in chapter 4. Findings to be presented in this forum no later than 48 hours from now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: T
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:11:59 -0500 on 4/18/06 1:13 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. yeah-- very difficult to promote ideals during kali yuga because it is so hard to sustain them. we keep trying though. Just as a question, how many people believe that Sat Yuga ever existed? As far as I'm aware the yuga cycle takes billions of years to run, so it seems unlikely that it is real as there would have been no humans in existence to experience the last age of enlightenment, or even a universe for them to live in maybe! Of course, it depends which universe we're talking about... Standard Quantum Mechanics can lead to 4 levels of multiverse. The first is based on the assumption that the universe is really infinite even if we can't see past 15 or so billion lightyears where the local big bang happened. If the universe is infinite, EVERY possible permutation of elementary particles and forces exists somewhere, including infinitely many exact duplicates of our own universe. The second is the many worlds theory, where everything that can happen DOES happen, leading to the creation of alternate universes with every single one of an infinite number of possible outcomes for every single possible quantum mechanical event.This works out to being the same universe as the first, for all practical purposes. The third multiverse is like the first two, except that every single possible value of every cosmological constant exists. The fourth is where every possible mathematically consistent description of a universe is true, which means that ANYTHING that we can conceive of as a rule including anything that story-tellers and song-writers come up with, is true, in some universe, not to mention all the stuff we can't conceive of -- if its consistent, it exists. Those are the universes WE can conceive of andthey are all consisten with quantum mechanics. Who knows what else can exist if God exists (and of course, if the fourth level of multiverse exists, than God MUST exist). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga ushered in but what does that mean??
It means that soon there will be new uniforms to supplement the Rajas' robes and crowns. If you can't come up with 3 mill to be a Raja, for only 100K you can become an Usher. You get a red uniform with a cute little usher's cap. And a flashlight. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had a lot of hot weather in the north east of late, but today is positively blissful. Warm, fresh air, satvic breeze blowing. Big yellow full moon coming up. Jai Guru Dev! OffWorld How NE is Sunnyvale? Sunnyvale, California (pop. 120K) is here in the San Francisco Bay Area, adjoining Santa Clara, where I live. How's Buffy? O wait, that's SunnyDALE... Somehow I saw the movie- never watched the series, but the movie was ok. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had a lot of hot weather in the north east of late, but today is positively blissful. Warm, fresh air, satvic breeze blowing. Big yellow full moon coming up. Jai Guru Dev! OffWorld How NE is Sunnyvale? Sunnyvale, California (pop. 120K) is here in the San Francisco Bay Area, adjoining Santa Clara, where I live. How's Buffy? O wait, that's SunnyDALE... Somehow I saw the movie- never watched the series, but the movie was ok. The same guy did the TV series as the movie. It wasn't a carbon copy of the movie, but definitely based on the same premise. Some very good writing went into that show. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had a lot of hot weather in the north east of late, but today is positively blissful. Warm, fresh air, satvic breeze blowing. Big yellow full moon coming up. Jai Guru Dev! OffWorld How NE is Sunnyvale? Sunnyvale, California (pop. 120K) is here in the San Francisco Bay Area, adjoining Santa Clara, where I live. How's Buffy? O wait, that's SunnyDALE... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I finished up all my sinning today in preparation for the descent of sat yuga. I'm looking out my window now...and waiting.I hope it's not going to be one of these pundit things ;-) Me, too. I danced with the Brazilian girls and got all my heavy-duty samskaras recharged, just in case no new ones ever come up. Be prepared was always the Boy Scout's motto. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
Great rap, and a great sentiment. And nice timing, too. For all we know, in Sat Yuga the Internet will be declared lowvibe and FFL will just poof! and go away. So thanks to all who've taught me things as well. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, last year this time I was seriously strung out on dope. The wife and I decided it was time to have kids now or never, so I took some months off to clean up. I haven't now touched anything in at least a few months. She has been stupendously awesome and has allowed me continued recovery time to get myself clean and to devote to us making a baby. So I have to say I have been the luckiest man on the face of the earth. I haven't had to work, all I do is meditate and practice my Dharma stuff, and fuck alot. If heaven on earth comes I know what it will look like. Alot like now. I want to say that for at least the last four months I have been doing TM and the Sidhis for about three hours average each day and my Buddhist stuff for about 1 - 2 hours. I start at about 4 - 5 am. Do a long meditation for about two solid hours then nap and then eat breakfast then do it again, then chant, then play around then do it again later if I can focus. I had a dream one night that the Governor's aid called me out of the blue and told me I was to be interim governor of Louisiana this year. She would get with me the next day to give me the details. It was a very clear dream, and really neat since I don't do politics. Later I thought, well of course, because I have been basically rounding in retreat for months it meant I am a Governor in the TM sense. I've come a long way. Whether I am a great person or not, or a lover or a hater, or not, or something or nothing or everything I know one thing. I have been practicing the Dharma and I am lucky to have the techniques and the wife. It's said that actual leisure to practice and to practice are a rare combination. But it's more rare to self rehab oneself from morphine and pot and cigarettes and booze and pull oneself back from the brink of death and then feel like one is finally resurfacing into the arena of life. I look back and find that I was almost dead. I was burnt and physically weak and would have probably bit the dust really soon if I hadn't taken a break. So I feel lucky beyond words for the practices and my wife. And I have to say that again I have been able to pull myself back from the brink of death through Dharma practice. So here's to dharma practice. May all people be so lucky as to find some practice which can heal their ills, and make them shine even though they have been under dense clouds for a long time. This time around, I will finally hold on to my gains as I'm not getting any younger. Thank you E, I dedicate this to you, my wife and love of my life. Also thank you who prayed for me when I asked for help to get off dope. It did work. I just thought it would be a good time to say thanks before the rapture or the cherry koolaid, whichever comes first. Long Live Maharishi! - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga At MIU in FF, somewhere in the mid-80s, Maharishi told us that Heaven was now descending on Earth and we could sit in our kitchen looking out the window and watch it as it descended. A friend of mine did exactly that. He stopped working and has steadfastly refused to work since. He sat inside and watched for Heaven's descent out his window and is now somewhere on the eastern seaboard doing the same. Perhaps you and he can get together! K --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I finished up all my sinning today in preparation for the descent of sat yuga. I'm looking out my window now...and waiting.I hope it's not going to be one of these pundit things ;-) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group FairfieldLife on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
We had a lot of hot weather in the north east of late, but today is positively blissful. Warm, fresh air, satvic breeze blowing. Big yellow full moon coming up.Jai Guru Dev!OffWorldHow NE is Sunnyvale? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
The full moon, if it was, it felt more like last stages before full, had a very full feeling. I meditated at about 10:00 pm but it was rather flat as it usually is if I meditate at night before 4:00 am. I said some vajra guru mantras and went to bed, and woke up and here we are. Because no matter where we are there we are. So I sat in my Yugo. - Original Message - From: Rory Goff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Jai Guru Dev!Jai Guru Dev! May the radiantly divine love of the ever-present Sat Yuga arise tonight in the heart of every One of Us. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had a lot of hot weather in the north east of late, but today is positively blissful. Warm, fresh air, satvic breeze blowing. Big yellow full moon coming up. Jai Guru Dev! OffWorld How NE is Sunnyvale? Sunnyvale, California (pop. 120K) is here in the San Francisco Bay Area, adjoining Santa Clara, where I live. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had a lot of hot weather in the north east of late, but today is positively blissful. Warm, fresh air, satvic breeze blowing. Big yellow full moon coming up. Jai Guru Dev! OffWorld How NE is Sunnyvale? Sunnyvale, California (pop. 120K) is here in the San Francisco Bay Area, adjoining Santa Clara, where I live. I welcomed in Sat Yuga last night in my backyard, meditating under the full moon from about 10:00 pm to 12:00am. Quite pleasant. Lots of dancing devas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga- wtf?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had a lot of hot weather in the north east of late, but today is positively blissful. Warm, fresh air, satvic breeze blowing. Big yellow full moon coming up. Jai Guru Dev! OffWorld How NE is Sunnyvale? Sunnyvale, California (pop. 120K) is here in the San Francisco Bay Area, adjoining Santa Clara, where I live. I welcomed in Sat Yuga last night in my backyard, meditating under the full moon from about 10:00 pm to 12:00am. Quite pleasant. Lots of dancing devas. Nice!! It's cool again today here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
I celebrated Guru Purnima with Amma during a public program in MA which lasted from 7:30 Wednesday night until 5:30 Thursday morning. After the usual hugs, Amma talked, then Amma was treated to garlands and the 108 names of Mother Divine, and then Amma handed out prasad to everyone, one at a time. I was up on the stage watching from nearby. It was an amazing night. Nice moon, too. I tried to go over to Rick Archer, who was also on the stage at the end, and sneer welcome to sat yuga, but he took off. --- Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had a lot of hot weather in the north east of late, but today is positively blissful. Warm, fresh air, satvic breeze blowing. Big yellow full moon coming up. Jai Guru Dev! OffWorld How NE is Sunnyvale? Sunnyvale, California (pop. 120K) is here in the San Francisco Bay Area, adjoining Santa Clara, where I live. I welcomed in Sat Yuga last night in my backyard, meditating under the full moon from about 10:00 pm to 12:00am. Quite pleasant. Lots of dancing devas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I finished up all my sinning today in preparation for the descent of sat yuga. I'm looking out my window now...and waiting.I hope it's not going to be one of these pundit things ;-) Me, too. I danced with the Brazilian girls and got all my heavy-duty samskaras recharged, just in case no new ones ever come up. Be prepared was always the Boy Scout's motto. :-) Reminds me of Be Prepared, Tom Lehrer's paean to the Boy Scouts (especially the last verse): Be prepared, that's the Boy Scout's marching song Be prepared, as through life you march along Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell Be prepared to hide that pack of cigarettes Don't make book if you cannot cover bets Keep those reefers hidden where you're sure that they will not be found And be careful not to smoke them when the scoutmaster's around For he only will insist that it be shared Be prepared Be prepared, that's the Boy Scouts' solemn creed Be prepared, and be clean in word and deed Don't solicit for your sister, that's not nice Unless you get a good percentage of her price Be prepared, and be careful not to do Your good deeds when there's no one watching you If you're looking for adventure of a new and different kind And you come across a Girl Scout who is similarly inclined Don't be nervous, don't be flustered, don't be scared, Be prepared To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I finished up all my sinning today in preparation for the descent of sat yuga. I'm looking out my window now...and waiting.I hope it's not going to be one of these pundit things ;-) Here in the SF Bay Area we have had the oddest weather day. Normally this time of year the sun blazes away and we wouldn't see a drop of rain until October or November. It has been clouded over today, even sprinkled some. Won't be able to see the full moon tonight. Probably 10-15 degrees cooler than normal. Feels great, though I can't recall if this is the beginning of 10,000 years of peace...or not...;) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
At MIU in FF, somewhere in the mid-80s, Maharishi told us that Heaven was now descending on Earth and we could sit in our kitchen looking out the window and watch it as it descended. A friend of mine did exactly that. He stopped working and has steadfastly refused to work since. He sat inside and watched for Heaven's descent out his window and is now somewhere on the eastern seaboard doing the same. Perhaps you and he can get together! K --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I finished up all my sinning today in preparation for the descent of sat yuga. I'm looking out my window now...and waiting.I hope it's not going to be one of these pundit things ;-) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I finished up all my sinning today in preparation for the descent of sat yuga. I'm looking out my window now...and waiting.I hope it's not going to be one of these pundit things ;-) Here in the SF Bay Area we have had the oddest weather day. Normally this time of year the sun blazes away and we wouldn't see a drop of rain until October or November. It has been clouded over today, even sprinkled some. Won't be able to see the full moon tonight. Probably 10-15 degrees cooler than normal. We had a lot of hot weather in the north east of late, but today is positively blissful. Warm, fresh air, satvic breeze blowing. Big yellow full moon coming up. Jai Guru Dev! OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jai Guru Dev! Jai Guru Dev! May the radiantly divine love of the ever-present Sat Yuga arise tonight in the heart of every One of Us. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I finished up all my sinning today in preparation for the descent of sat yuga. I'm looking out my window now...and waiting.I hope it's not going to be one of these pundit things ;-) Here in the SF Bay Area we have had the oddest weather day. Normally this time of year the sun blazes away and we wouldn't see a drop of rain until October or November. It has been clouded over today, even sprinkled some. Won't be able to see the full moon tonight. Probably 10-15 degrees cooler than normal. We had a lot of hot weather in the north east of late, but today is positively blissful. Warm, fresh air, satvic breeze blowing. Big yellow full moon coming up. Jai Guru Dev! OffWorld After reading your message, I went outside and the sky has cleared, htough I don't think the full moon has risen yet. It was 68 degrees today vs. 91 degrees yesterday. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So is Sat Yuga still starting Guru Purnima? uhjha. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Rudra Joe's question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought this was funny and all too true. Partying isn't bad is it? Making friends is one of the greatest pastimes. It's what we're here for isn't it? If you wish to continually create new karmas which must be worked out and therefore continue in the wheel of birth and death, then yes have fun! It isn't the pastime suggested by the wise. Om Shanti - Original Message - From: off_world_beings To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is what happened to Buddha. He looked around late one evening, post party, and thought what is all this sensory nonsense for? There must be something more. And we all know the REST of the story, good day! -Peter Do you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Rudra Joe's question
But I'm a bodhisattva. I am going nowhere. Hahahahha, all you people running around going somewhere. Hahahhahahhaa - Original Message - From: sadhak108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Rudra Joe's question --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: I thought this was funny and all too true. Partying isn't bad is it? Making friends is one of the greatest pastimes. It's what we're here for isn't it?If you wish to continually create new karmas which must be worked out and therefore continue in the wheel of birth and death, then yes have fun!It isn't the pastime suggested by the wise.Om Shanti - Original Message - From: off_world_beings To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is what happened to Buddha. He looked around late one evening, post party, and thought what is all this sensory nonsense for? There must be something more. And we all know the REST of the story, good day! -Peter Do you? To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
Which is what happened to Buddha. He looked around late one evening, post party, and thought what is all this sensory nonsense for? There must be something more. And we all know the REST of the story, good day! -Peter --- Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was a kid, I used to go to an amusement park in Santa Monica where you paid one price and could ride anything all day long, and I would ride the roller coaster (not as stressful an experience as modern roller coasters are because they could not engineer as much stress into the ride back in the old days) many many times until I got tired of it. The Sat Yuga's saving grace (in terms of gaining enlightenment) is that people live very long lives, on the order of 250K years is possible, so people get tired eventually riding the roller coaster of the abundance of enjoyable things found in that Golden Age, and want to transcend and gain enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble with the Sat Yuga is that life is so delightful that people are less motivated to close their eyes and transcend the ugliness which is all around in the Kaliyuga. Reminds me of the following quote from Guru Dev: To be born a human is more fortunate than to be born a deva. Taking birth as a deva is considered comparable to taking birth as any other life form. Birth as a god is attained by those who perform certain sacrifices and karma, etc. associated with divinity, with the intention to enjoy divine pleasures. The minds of the devatas wander incessantly because of the abundance of enjoyable things in the heavenly realms, and hence they cannot perform purushartha [actions consistent with the goals of human life and evolution]. For this reason, the human birth is considered superior, because here, by doing as much purushartha as possible, one can eventually become one with God. A human being is like a lump of pure gold, whereas gods are like pieces of fine jewelry. Having been perfected as jewelry, their progression is complete, and they cannot be further improved. On the other hand, gold which has not yet been crafted by the jeweler is completely unrestricted in its potential. Hence the birth of a human being is said to be the very best birth for action. Having attained this birth, one should not act carelessly, but should conscientiously perform the best purushartha. Fulfilling one's own dharma while keeping faith in Paramatma is the greatest purushartha. Strive to become one with God in this lifetime. Have firm faith in the Vedas and shastras and keep the company of those wise people who also have faith in them. Only then will the purpose of your life be fulfilled. --- Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dang...I was just thinking of the famous story of the sage who said spiritual progess was much, much faster in kali yuga than in any other yuga. * That's why Krishna lets the Kaliyuga happen -- if Krishna only wanted the Sat era to exist, that is what would happen. The trouble with the Sat Yuga is that life is so delightful that people are less motivated to close their eyes and transcend the ugliness which is all around in the Kaliyuga. However, there reaches a point where life is simply unsustainable because of the vile behavior on earth, and MMY has apparently announced that the breaking point has been reached, regardless of the benefit to spiritual seekers who manage to survive the turmoil of the Kaliyuga and gain enlightenment. It's like Jesus' saying Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. People whose surroundings are satisfying and fun lack are less motivated to seek to unfold the inner light than those with surroundings that are not satisfying. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is what happened to Buddha. He looked around late one evening, post party, and thought what is all this sensory nonsense for? There must be something more. And we all know the REST of the story, good day! -Peter I hope Bert Christina pick up on this. Weave in a little ego talk and you got it made. lurk Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dang...I was just thinking of the famous story of the sage who said spiritual progess was much, much faster in kali yuga than in any other yuga. ** That's why Krishna lets the Kaliyuga happen -- if Krishna only wanted the Sat era to exist, that is what would happen. The trouble with the Sat Yuga is that life is so delightful that people are less motivated to close their eyes and transcend the ugliness which is all around in the Kaliyuga. However, there reaches a point where life is simply unsustainable because of the vile behavior on earth, and MMY has apparently announced that the breaking point has been reached, regardless of the benefit to spiritual seekers who manage to survive the turmoil of the Kaliyuga and gain enlightenment. It's like Jesus' saying Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. People whose surroundings are satisfying and fun are less motivated to seek to unfold the inner light than those with surroundings that are not satisfying. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
The trouble with the Sat Yuga is that life is so delightful that people are less motivated to close their eyes and transcend the ugliness which is all around in the Kaliyuga. Reminds me of the following quote from Guru Dev: To be born a human is more fortunate than to be born a deva. Taking birth as a deva is considered comparable to taking birth as any other life form. Birth as a god is attained by those who perform certain sacrifices and karma, etc. associated with divinity, with the intention to enjoy divine pleasures. The minds of the devatas wander incessantly because of the abundance of enjoyable things in the heavenly realms, and hence they cannot perform purushartha [actions consistent with the goals of human life and evolution]. For this reason, the human birth is considered superior, because here, by doing as much purushartha as possible, one can eventually become one with God. A human being is like a lump of pure gold, whereas gods are like pieces of fine jewelry. Having been perfected as jewelry, their progression is complete, and they cannot be further improved. On the other hand, gold which has not yet been crafted by the jeweler is completely unrestricted in its potential. Hence the birth of a human being is said to be the very best birth for action. Having attained this birth, one should not act carelessly, but should conscientiously perform the best purushartha. Fulfilling one's own dharma while keeping faith in Paramatma is the greatest purushartha. Strive to become one with God in this lifetime. Have firm faith in the Vedas and shastras and keep the company of those wise people who also have faith in them. Only then will the purpose of your life be fulfilled. --- Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dang...I was just thinking of the famous story of the sage who said spiritual progess was much, much faster in kali yuga than in any other yuga. * That's why Krishna lets the Kaliyuga happen -- if Krishna only wanted the Sat era to exist, that is what would happen. The trouble with the Sat Yuga is that life is so delightful that people are less motivated to close their eyes and transcend the ugliness which is all around in the Kaliyuga. However, there reaches a point where life is simply unsustainable because of the vile behavior on earth, and MMY has apparently announced that the breaking point has been reached, regardless of the benefit to spiritual seekers who manage to survive the turmoil of the Kaliyuga and gain enlightenment. It's like Jesus' saying Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. People whose surroundings are satisfying and fun lack are less motivated to seek to unfold the inner light than those with surroundings that are not satisfying. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
--- Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dang...I was just thinking of the famous story of the sage who said spiritual progess was much, much faster in kali yuga than in any other yuga. * That's why Krishna lets the Kaliyuga happen -- if Krishna only wanted the Sat era to exist, that is what would happen. The trouble with the Sat Yuga is that life is so delightful that people are less motivated to close their eyes and transcend the ugliness which is all around in the Kaliyuga. However, there reaches a point where life is simply unsustainable because of the vile behavior on earth, and MMY has apparently announced that the breaking point has been reached, regardless of the benefit to spiritual seekers who manage to survive the turmoil of the Kaliyuga and gain enlightenment. It's like Jesus' saying Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. People whose surroundings are satisfying and fun lack are less motivated to seek to unfold the inner light than those with surroundings that are not satisfying. Gold chains or iron chains. It doesn't matter. A chain is a chain. -MMY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
The greatest gurus are born in the Kali yuga and the greatest spiritual progress is made in Kali yuga. Just living in the Kali yuga with a spiritual nature is an amazing tapas! Almost everything conspires against a spiritual path: parents, food,culture,work, etc. It's incredible we have and can maintain a spiritual intent at all. Spiritual masters in India are amazed when they see serious Western spiritual practitioners. We should all give ourselves a well deserved pat on the back. Sat yuga will be a cake walk compared to our little stroll through the heart of Kali yuga.Bravo! Well done my fellow guru bhais! -Peter --- Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dang...I was just thinking of the famous story of the sage who said spiritual progess was much, much faster in kali yuga than in any other yuga. ** That's why Krishna lets the Kaliyuga happen -- if Krishna only wanted the Sat era to exist, that is what would happen. The trouble with the Sat Yuga is that life is so delightful that people are less motivated to close their eyes and transcend the ugliness which is all around in the Kaliyuga. However, there reaches a point where life is simply unsustainable because of the vile behavior on earth, and MMY has apparently announced that the breaking point has been reached, regardless of the benefit to spiritual seekers who manage to survive the turmoil of the Kaliyuga and gain enlightenment. It's like Jesus' saying Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. People whose surroundings are satisfying and fun are less motivated to seek to unfold the inner light than those with surroundings that are not satisfying. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga
When I was a kid, I used to go to an amusement park in Santa Monica where you paid one price and could ride anything all day long, and I would ride the roller coaster (not as stressful an experience as modern roller coasters are because they could not engineer as much stress into the ride back in the old days) many many times until I got tired of it. The Sat Yuga's saving grace (in terms of gaining enlightenment) is that people live very long lives, on the order of 250K years is possible, so people get tired eventually riding the roller coaster of the abundance of enjoyable things found in that Golden Age, and want to transcend and gain enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble with the Sat Yuga is that life is so delightful that people are less motivated to close their eyes and transcend the ugliness which is all around in the Kaliyuga. Reminds me of the following quote from Guru Dev: To be born a human is more fortunate than to be born a deva. Taking birth as a deva is considered comparable to taking birth as any other life form. Birth as a god is attained by those who perform certain sacrifices and karma, etc. associated with divinity, with the intention to enjoy divine pleasures. The minds of the devatas wander incessantly because of the abundance of enjoyable things in the heavenly realms, and hence they cannot perform purushartha [actions consistent with the goals of human life and evolution]. For this reason, the human birth is considered superior, because here, by doing as much purushartha as possible, one can eventually become one with God. A human being is like a lump of pure gold, whereas gods are like pieces of fine jewelry. Having been perfected as jewelry, their progression is complete, and they cannot be further improved. On the other hand, gold which has not yet been crafted by the jeweler is completely unrestricted in its potential. Hence the birth of a human being is said to be the very best birth for action. Having attained this birth, one should not act carelessly, but should conscientiously perform the best purushartha. Fulfilling one's own dharma while keeping faith in Paramatma is the greatest purushartha. Strive to become one with God in this lifetime. Have firm faith in the Vedas and shastras and keep the company of those wise people who also have faith in them. Only then will the purpose of your life be fulfilled. --- Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dang...I was just thinking of the famous story of the sage who said spiritual progess was much, much faster in kali yuga than in any other yuga. * That's why Krishna lets the Kaliyuga happen -- if Krishna only wanted the Sat era to exist, that is what would happen. The trouble with the Sat Yuga is that life is so delightful that people are less motivated to close their eyes and transcend the ugliness which is all around in the Kaliyuga. However, there reaches a point where life is simply unsustainable because of the vile behavior on earth, and MMY has apparently announced that the breaking point has been reached, regardless of the benefit to spiritual seekers who manage to survive the turmoil of the Kaliyuga and gain enlightenment. It's like Jesus' saying Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. People whose surroundings are satisfying and fun lack are less motivated to seek to unfold the inner light than those with surroundings that are not satisfying. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
