[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Yeah, it's like Canadians. They express their hatred for the US but they'll be the first ones in line for a Green Card... The majority of Canadians would NEVER move permanently to the US. You are again showing the thing the world laughs at in Americansyour ignorance of the world and its peoples. I'm a Canadian citizen and I speak from personal experience. I got here on the Green Card lottery. Virtually everyone I knew in my small sphere of influence back home applied (at least those that weren't already dual U.S./Canadian citizens). BS... I know tons of Canadians I've always wanted to know how many Canadians make up a ton. But that opens up a whole new can of worms: are there more Quebecers in a Canadian ton or more Newfoundlanders. I say Quebecers because they smoke more. not interested in living here. And plenty who got a green card but moved back to Canada anyway. Those that apply merely want civilised options like we have in Europe, where I can live and work in any of 15+ countries. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip There are 6 billion people in the world. about 5 billion of them are below the U.S. defined poverty line. ROFL - a lot of those are in the US. US has a lot of poverty. It is rampant. Being below the U.S. poverty line does NOT equal poverty...it is a relative measurement. There is zero poverty in the U.S. I would bet you that if given the chance virtually 90% of those 5 billion and about 50% of the other 1 billion would, indeed, come to the U.S. if given the chance. You have never travelled much have you. Most people are not interested. I've travelled enough to have seen real poverty and to know that no such poverty exists in the U.S. And it is an extreme insult to the real poor of the world to claim that our fat, bloated poor with their TVs, MacDonald's 5,000 calories-a-day diets, and designer sneakers are poor. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood My understanding is that it aired wthout commercials? Who paid for it? It was a dramatization to the drama that led up to the 9/11 'shock and awe'. It seemed fair in that it showed both the Clinton administration, as well as the Bush administration, screwing up. Of course they had to put in the Monica-gate episode; But we now know that a blow-job, and all the money the govenment spent on prosecuting Billy boy for his oval office blow-job; does not turn out to be an 'impeachable offence' or even a high misdemeanor. More like a traffic ticket I guess; certainly not as bad as taking a toke, and not inhaling, right? So, while the special prosecuter, whatever his name was; Wanted to know all the details of the blow-job; Billy boy, might have been a little distracted. But the neo-cons were not destracted from their goal. They got what they wanted, which is to invade Iraq. They wanted to invade Iraq, since the middle 1990's... Just hasn't worked out the way they thought it would. Shame our country is run by idiots... R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
In a message dated 9/11/06 8:29:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@... wrote: "No wonder everyone laughs at the USA." And then tries to move here.Well, if you travel abroad much you will find masses of Americans who have moved out of this country and never want to move back to it, More lies from Off World. Masses? If only it were true. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
In a message dated 9/11/06 8:48:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "No wonder everyone laughs at the USA." And then tries to move here. Or begs us to bail them out of their predicaments.ROFFLMFAO ! ! !You mean like when Bush and Rumsfeld BEGGED the UN for help about 6 months of a year after they invaded Iraq? Or when they BEGGED the UN to help in Lebanon after the Rice insisted that the Syrians get out of Lebanon (a country that was doing INCREDIBLY well, with a very happy population under the Syrian rule...they had expected a couple of million tourists this summer, but Rice strongly helped to fuck that up). OffWorld Nice try OFFWorld! Now who is diverting attention from the topic? Who does the world come to when they need help because they can't solve their own problems? Certainly not the U.N.! Let's talk about AIDS , drought and famine, civil war and genocide in Africa. How about The Balkins? How about Iran and their nuclear threat? Bush clearly told the European powers to negotiate that, yet they say they can't get anywhere and need us to help. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: , I've always wanted to know how many Canadians make up a ton. But that opens up a whole new can of worms: are there more Quebecers in a Canadian ton or more Newfoundlanders. I say Quebecers because they smoke more. Ontarians are precisely 1.1 tons, but that compares to Quebecers who average 1.12 Metric tonnes per cubic Algonquin. Now if you take Albertans and square that by the square root of one percent of BC'rs then you end up with aproximately 1.1 Americans per metric foot of the Inuits plus the Nufies. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: , I've always wanted to know how many Canadians make up a ton. But that opens up a whole new can of worms: are there more Quebecers in a Canadian ton or more Newfoundlanders. I say Quebecers because they smoke more. Ontarians are precisely 1.1 tons, but that compares to Quebecers who average 1.12 Metric tonnes per cubic Algonquin. Now if you take Albertans and square that by the square root of one percent of BC'rs then you end up with aproximately 1.1 Americans per metric foot of the Inuits plus the Nufies. OffWorld Could you do that in Imperial? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: BTW, yu never answered my question about what car your neighbor's kids are using to learn to drive with in the UK? I don't know and I don't care. Answer: they must drive a car with L on the license plate to show there's a learner and must have a UK registered driver (not someone with an EU license) sitting beside them at all times. If your neighbor doesn't have such a car, they almost certainly are learning from a professional instructor on a regular british-drive car, so the issue of keeping track of which hand drive is which is far less difficult than it would be otherwise. How old are your neighbor's kids, BTW? I don't know and I don't care. Approaching the minimum legal driving age, one would assume. That would be age 17 in order to sit behind the wheel unless they meet special requirements. Are you still trying to claim that people are too stupid to learn two different procedures at the same time? If so, I will graciously end the debate by admitting that I feel it is *completely* possible that YOU are too stupid to learn two different procedures at once. There. Debate over. :-) I'm starting to wonder if you have ever driven a car in England at all... Look, dude...I *get it* that with all your OCD and attachments and inability to change that it was HARD for you to learn to drive in England. I feel for you. But it really wasn't that hard for most people who've done it. They're more normal, and can learn many different things at once. It would seem that you can't. Let it go. The whole thing was a really dumb analogy thought up to support why Maharishi treats his students like children, and brow- beats them with a dogma that says it's dangerous for them to read books from or see teachers from other spiritual traditions. I *understand* that you are comfortable with this, and *like* being treated like a child. Your obvious problem with learning a simple thing like driving on the other side of the road indicates WHY you may feel this way. Being treated like a child enables you to feel safe, and taken care of. Cool. May you feel as safe as you want to. Others of us prefer being treated like adults, and being able to read what we want and learn what we want from whoever we want. We don't run on the F.E.A.R. operating system the way you seem to. So there's a place for each of us in the universe. You can stick with the TMO, and do what you've been told to do, and the rest of us can live like adults and make our own decisions about things. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: BTW, yu never answered my question about what car your neighbor's kids are using to learn to drive with in the UK? I don't know and I don't care. Answer: they must drive a car with L on the license plate to show there's a learner and must have a UK registered driver (not someone with an EU license) sitting beside them at all times. If your neighbor doesn't have such a car, they almost certainly are learning from a professional instructor on a regular british-drive car, so the issue of keeping track of which hand drive is which is far less difficult than it would be otherwise. How old are your neighbor's kids, BTW? I don't know and I don't care. Approaching the minimum legal driving age, one would assume. That would be age 17 in order to sit behind the wheel unless they meet special requirements. Are you still trying to claim that people are too stupid to learn two different procedures at the same time? If so, I will graciously end the debate by admitting that I feel it is *completely* possible that YOU are too stupid to learn two different procedures at once. There. Debate over. :-) I'm starting to wonder if you have ever driven a car in England at all... Look, dude...I *get it* that with all your OCD and attachments and inability to change that it was HARD for you to learn to drive in England. I feel for you. But it really wasn't that hard for most people who've done it. They're more normal, and can learn many different things at once. It would seem that you can't. So you haven't driven in Engliand, with a right- OR left-hand-drive car... Was there a need to bring up my mental disabilities and illnesses in order to deflect attention from yourself? I mean, lame... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: BTW, yu never answered my question about what car your neighbor's kids are using to learn to drive with in the UK? I don't know and I don't care. Answer: they must drive a car with L on the license plate to show there's a learner and must have a UK registered driver (not someone with an EU license) sitting beside them at all times. If your neighbor doesn't have such a car, they almost certainly are learning from a professional instructor on a regular british-drive car, so the issue of keeping track of which hand drive is which is far less difficult than it would be otherwise. How old are your neighbor's kids, BTW? I don't know and I don't care. Approaching the minimum legal driving age, one would assume. That would be age 17 in order to sit behind the wheel unless they meet special requirements. Are you still trying to claim that people are too stupid to learn two different procedures at the same time? If so, I will graciously end the debate by admitting that I feel it is *completely* possible that YOU are too stupid to learn two different procedures at once. There. Debate over. :-) I'm starting to wonder if you have ever driven a car in England at all... Look, dude...I *get it* that with all your OCD and attachments and inability to change that it was HARD for you to learn to drive in England. I feel for you. But it really wasn't that hard for most people who've done it. They're more normal, and can learn many different things at once. It would seem that you can't. So you haven't driven in Engliand, with a right- OR left-hand-drive car... Dozens of times over a period of forty years, driving both types of cars. I was just ignoring your attempts to call me as a liar because you've fallen prey to your compulsions once again. Driving in England is a snap, using either a rented left-hand-drive car or using a right-hand-drive car brought over from Europe. I'm truly sorry that you were confounded by it, and that it presented you with a problem, but it really didn't ever present one for me. Was there a need to bring up my mental disabilities and illnesses in order to deflect attention from yourself? I mean, lame... Was there any reason to call me a liar over a lame non-sequitur subject that I graciously let drop days ago, and that you are obviously still obsessing over? I mean, compulsive... For the record, I AM TRULY SORRY that you're so fucked up in the head with OCD or whatever that learning to drive on the other side of the street was such a big deal for you. Please be gracious enough to accept that it really ISN'T a big deal for others who are less fucked up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
TorquiseB writes snipped: 3. Do you believe that someone who justifies the lies of others, makes excuses for them, or in some way apologizes for the lies and explains them away is also guilty of lying? Just curious... Tom T: It has been my experience that whenever anyone accuses me of doing something like lying that upon close examination that the person doing the accusing is the quilty party and the pointing of the finger is to divert attention away from the guiltiest party in the group. When we point one finger out at others if we look at our own hands we will see that three fingers point back at ourselves. Simple observation of the nature of projection. Tom T To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Look, dude...I *get it* that with all your OCD and attachments and inability to change that it was HARD for you to learn to drive in England. I feel for you. But it really wasn't that hard for most people who've done it. They're more normal, and can learn many different things at once. It would seem that you can't. FWIW, my sister, who is an excellent and experienced driver, nearly went nuts trying to learn to drive on the other side of the road on a recent trip to England. When my family visited England many years ago, my father, also an excellent and experienced driver, nearly got us into an accident several times by instinctively turning into the wrong side of the road. Neither my sister nor my father has OCD. It's notoriously difficult for many, if not most, people. I've heard many stories from folks complaining about how tough it is. In fact, I can't recall anyone claiming it was easy when the subject came up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes snipped: 3. Do you believe that someone who justifies the lies of others, makes excuses for them, or in some way apologizes for the lies and explains them away is also guilty of lying? Just curious... Tom T: It has been my experience that whenever anyone accuses me of doing something like lying that upon close examination that the person doing the accusing is the quilty party and the pointing of the finger is to divert attention away from the guiltiest party in the group. So, Tom, what lies do you believe I'm guilty of? When we point one finger out at others if we look at our own hands we will see that three fingers point back at ourselves. Have you ever encountered the term thought-stopper? Simple observation of the nature of projection. Tom T Yes, I'd say that suggesting the person who has accused you of lying of *being* the liar is a pretty standard form of projection. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Look, dude...I *get it* that with all your OCD and attachments and inability to change that it was HARD for you to learn to drive in England. I feel for you. But it really wasn't that hard for most people who've done it. They're more normal, and can learn many different things at once. It would seem that you can't. FWIW, my sister, who is an excellent and experienced driver, nearly went nuts trying to learn to drive on the other side of the road on a recent trip to England. When my family visited England many years ago, my father, also an excellent and experienced driver, nearly got us into an accident several times by instinctively turning into the wrong side of the road. Sounds as if your family is as intellectually impaired as Sparaig is. My condolences. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes snipped: 3. Do you believe that someone who justifies the lies of others, makes excuses for them, or in some way apologizes for the lies and explains them away is also guilty of lying? Just curious... Tom T: It has been my experience that whenever anyone accuses me of doing something like lying that upon close examination that the person doing the accusing is the quilty party and the pointing of the finger is to divert attention away from the guiltiest party in the group. When we point one finger out at others if we look at our own hands we will see that three fingers point back at ourselves. Simple observation of the nature of projection. Tom T In other words: the one who smelt it, dealt it. And the finger we point at others should be pulled. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Look, dude...I *get it* that with all your OCD and attachments and inability to change that it was HARD for you to learn to drive in England. I feel for you. But it really wasn't that hard for most people who've done it. They're more normal, and can learn many different things at once. It would seem that you can't. FWIW, my sister, who is an excellent and experienced driver, nearly went nuts trying to learn to drive on the other side of the road on a recent trip to England. When my family visited England many years ago, my father, also an excellent and experienced driver, nearly got us into an accident several times by instinctively turning into the wrong side of the road. Neither my sister nor my father has OCD. It's notoriously difficult for many, if not most, people. I've heard many stories from folks complaining about how tough it is. In fact, I can't recall anyone claiming it was easy when the subject came up. Matthew Broderick, the actor, killed a local in Ireland driving as a tourist there, due to this confusion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: TorquiseB writes snipped: 3. Do you believe that someone who justifies the lies of others, makes excuses for them, or in some way apologizes for the lies and explains them away is also guilty of lying? Just curious... Tom T: It has been my experience that whenever anyone accuses me of doing something like lying that upon close examination that the person doing the accusing is the quilty party and the pointing of the finger is to divert attention away from the guiltiest party in the group. So, Tom, what lies do you believe I'm guilty of? I think you have continually lied to us about your hair color. And your weight. And, certainly, you're no author's friend. Name them. When we point one finger out at others if we look at our own hands we will see that three fingers point back at ourselves. Have you ever encountered the term thought-stopper? Simple observation of the nature of projection. Tom T Yes, I'd say that suggesting the person who has accused you of lying of *being* the liar is a pretty standard form of projection. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Look, dude...I *get it* that with all your OCD and attachments and inability to change that it was HARD for you to learn to drive in England. I feel for you. But it really wasn't that hard for most people who've done it. They're more normal, and can learn many different things at once. It would seem that you can't. FWIW, my sister, who is an excellent and experienced driver, nearly went nuts trying to learn to drive on the other side of the road on a recent trip to England. When my family visited England many years ago, my father, also an excellent and experienced driver, nearly got us into an accident several times by instinctively turning into the wrong side of the road. Sounds as if your family is as intellectually impaired as Sparaig is. My condolences. Picture this. Volkswagen Beetle. Spare Egg is driving. Barry in the back seat with one Stein sister on his left and the other Stein sister on his right. It's 8am Sunday morning and they're starting out in Atlantic City, New Jersey. Destination: Seattle, Washington. Only bathroom breaks and gas-tank fill-up stops allowed. There is a loaded snub-nose revolver under the front seat. How long before Barry offs himself? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Picture this. Volkswagen Beetle. Spare Egg is driving. Barry in the back seat with one Stein sister on his left and the other Stein sister on his right. It's 8am Sunday morning and they're starting out in Atlantic City, New Jersey. Destination: Seattle, Washington. Only bathroom breaks and gas-tank fill-up stops allowed. There is a loaded snub-nose revolver under the front seat. How long before Barry offs himself? Funny scenario, but illogical question at the end. Just outside Atlantic City, the guy in the back seat grabs the gun, points it at the driver and tells him to stop the car. Shortly thereafter there are three people standing on the side of the road and one guy driving away in the car. Assuming the VW isn't his, the guy drives it to the nearest sleazy-looking used car lot (a cinch to find in New Jersey) and sells it for cash. He then takes a cab to the airport and flies first class to somewhere far more interesting than Seattle. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Look, dude...I *get it* that with all your OCD and attachments and inability to change that it was HARD for you to learn to drive in England. I feel for you. But it really wasn't that hard for most people who've done it. They're more normal, and can learn many different things at once. It would seem that you can't. FWIW, my sister, who is an excellent and experienced driver, nearly went nuts trying to learn to drive on the other side of the road on a recent trip to England. When my family visited England many years ago, my father, also an excellent and experienced driver, nearly got us into an accident several times by instinctively turning into the wrong side of the road. Neither my sister nor my father has OCD. It's notoriously difficult for many, if not most, people. I've heard many stories from folks complaining about how tough it is. In fact, I can't recall anyone claiming it was easy when the subject came up. I spent 5 years i England. I drove more in England than I had in the States prior to getting assigned there while in the USAF 9didn't drive that much before I joined the USAF). Perhaps Barry doesn't remember how difficult it was for him when he first started 40 years ago, but there were 4000 American Airmen living on my base, plus another 5000 5 miles away PLUS their families, and I can assure anyone that's interested that the British government and the USAF were very aware of the issues involved in people adjusting to the left-hand road driving, especially when driving left-hand-drive Yank Tanks, which were wy too large for the roads and highways. It wasn't a trivial matter... Except for Barry, of course... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Look, dude...I *get it* that with all your OCD and attachments and inability to change that it was HARD for you to learn to drive in England. I feel for you. But it really wasn't that hard for most people who've done it. They're more normal, and can learn many different things at once. It would seem that you can't. FWIW, my sister, who is an excellent and experienced driver, nearly went nuts trying to learn to drive on the other side of the road on a recent trip to England. When my family visited England many years ago, my father, also an excellent and experienced driver, nearly got us into an accident several times by instinctively turning into the wrong side of the road. Sounds as if your family is as intellectually impaired as Sparaig is. My condolences. So you think ADHD/OCD is an intellectual impairment... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you think ADHD/OCD is an intellectual impairment... No, but it certainly makes a great excuse for you hanging onto your compulsions. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So you think ADHD/OCD is an intellectual impairment... No, but it certainly makes a great excuse for you hanging onto your compulsions. :-) So you don't have an excuse... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Look, dude...I *get it* that with all your OCD and attachments and inability to change that it was HARD for you to learn to drive in England. I feel for you. But it really wasn't that hard for most people who've done it. They're more normal, and can learn many different things at once. It would seem that you can't. FWIW, my sister, who is an excellent and experienced driver, nearly went nuts trying to learn to drive on the other side of the road on a recent trip to England. When my family visited England many years ago, my father, also an excellent and experienced driver, nearly got us into an accident several times by instinctively turning into the wrong side of the road. Sounds as if your family is as intellectually impaired as Sparaig is. My condolences. Nope, sorry, not intellectually impaired. It's notoriously difficult for many, if not most, people. I've heard many stories from folks complaining about how tough it is. In fact, I can't recall anyone claiming it was easy when the subject came up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Look, dude...I *get it* that with all your OCD and attachments and inability to change that it was HARD for you to learn to drive in England. I feel for you. But it really wasn't that hard for most people who've done it. They're more normal, and can learn many different things at once. It would seem that you can't. FWIW, my sister, who is an excellent and experienced driver, nearly went nuts trying to learn to drive on the other side of the road on a recent trip to England. When my family visited England many years ago, my father, also an excellent and experienced driver, nearly got us into an accident several times by instinctively turning into the wrong side of the road. Sounds as if your family is as intellectually impaired as Sparaig is. My condolences. Nope, sorry, not intellectually impaired. It's notoriously difficult for many, if not most, people. I've heard many stories from folks complaining about how tough it is. In fact, I can't recall anyone claiming it was easy when the subject came up. It is relatively simple to keep things straight as long as you NEVER EVER drive the wrong- drive car. You just change everything from a handed orientation to a driver's side orientation. Passengers go to the correct side of the road. Swerve away from the driver's side in a collision, etc. It takes a while to adjust but isn't that big a deal *in the long run*. The problem really happens when you switch driver's side vehicles while in the UK and have to constantly change your reflexes or don't switch your car (bring your own car to the UK as many airmen do) and have to relearn UK reflexes using the same car you've been driving Stateside. Barry was claiming that one can bounce back and forth without any problems at all, which was not my experience when I came back stateside for my Father's funeral. It takes some time to adjust and some time to adjust back. Eventually, I'm sure that one could get used to changing back and forth constantly, even using a wrong-drive car, but I wouldn't want to go through the learning curve while driving on public roads. The USAF wanted me to drive a military pickup (think smaller, modern version of the troop-carrier trucks you see in the WWII movies) while in the UIK, but I managed to avoid that. The damn things were so hard to drive anyway AND they were American drive trucks. Learning to keep my foot on both the gas and brake pedals as I put the thing in gear AND compensate for being in a wrong-side vehicle WAS too much for my ADHD/OCD brain. Worry about which foot to use for gas/brake as opposed to clutch AND worrying which side of the road when my visibility is poor and my reflexes say to go to the wrong side of the road to put the driver towards the middle? No thanks! Too many conflicting clues as to what is the correct thing to do. BTW: We say: drive on the right side. The Brits say: drive on the correct side. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So, Tom, what lies do you believe I'm guilty of? I think you have continually lied to us about your hair color. And your weight. Don't believe I've ever mentioned either, actually. I'm afraid you're hallucinating again. And, certainly, you're no author's friend. Name them. That's like asking a doctor to name her patients. I'll be happy to give you references, but not in public. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip So, Tom, what lies do you believe I'm guilty of? I think you have continually lied to us about your hair color. And your weight. Don't believe I've ever mentioned either, actually. I'm afraid you're hallucinating again. And, certainly, you're no author's friend. Name them. That's like asking a doctor to name her patients. I'll be happy to give you references, but not in public. As a small child she fell down, quite hard, from the humorless tree and hit every rung on the way down. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip There are 6 billion people in the world. about 5 billion of them are below the U.S. defined poverty line. ROFL - a lot of those are in the US. US has a lot of poverty. It is rampant. I would bet you that if given the chance virtually 90% of those 5 billion and about 50% of the other 1 billion would, indeed, come to the U.S. if given the chance. You have never travelled much have you. Most people are not interested. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, it's like Canadians. They express their hatred for the US but they'll be the first ones in line for a Green Card... The majority of Canadians would NEVER move permanently to the US. You are again showing the thing the world laughs at in Americansyour ignorance of the world and its peoples. I'm a Canadian citizen and I speak from personal experience. I got here on the Green Card lottery. Virtually everyone I knew in my small sphere of influence back home applied (at least those that weren't already dual U.S./Canadian citizens). BS... I know tons of Canadians not interested in living here. And plenty who got a green card but moved back to Canada anyway. Those that apply merely want civilised options like we have in Europe, where I can live and work in any of 15+ countries. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood My understanding is that it aired wthout commercials? Who paid for it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood I don't think any historians asked for it to be pulled. What happened is that some Democrats, terrified that some misinformation in the film would lose votes for their candidates in the next election, demanded that it be pulled. The hilarious part about this is that many of the same people calling for this film not to be aired (including our own Judy Stein) are the SAME people who threw a hissy fit and screamed to high heaven when Republicans tried to keep Fahrenheit 9/11 from being aired on public TV before the 2004 election (and for the exact same reason...they were afraid that film would lose votes for *their* candidates). Basically, it's a pretty fascinating study in hypocrisy. The bottom line for the censor's mindset seems to be that it's only censorship if the other guys are doing it. When *we* do it, it's something else, something noble. Yeah, right. My understanding is that it aired wthout commercials? Who paid for it? ABC. http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117949477?categoryid=14cs=1 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood I don't think any historians asked for it to be pulled. BTW, it would seem I was wrong about this. Judy posted some letter by supposed historians that I missed because I normally click past all of her posts without reading them. It was only when I saw some of the things she was quoted as saying about this film and what she wanted to do about it in other people's posts that I got involved in calling her what she is, a censor. Anyway, I was wrong above. The letter does exist, and it goes even further than Judy did in its appeal to censorship. It calls for the broadcast to be halted. Judy just wanted it to be moved to pay TV, where fewer people would see it... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood I don't think any historians asked for it to be pulled. BTW, it would seem I was wrong about this. Judy posted some letter by supposed historians That Barry has to attempt to cast doubt on the status of Arthur Schlesinger, of all people, as a legitimate historian speaks volumes about the validity of his position. All of the signatories to the letter, as it happens, are prominent historians. that I missed because I normally click past all of her posts without reading them. R-i-i-i-i-i-ght, Barry. snicker It was only when I saw some of the things she was quoted as saying about this film and what she wanted to do about it in other people's posts that I got involved in calling her what she is, a censor. Wrong, as I've already pointed out. Anyway, I was wrong above. The letter does exist, and it goes even further than Judy did in its appeal to censorship. It calls for the broadcast to be halted. Judy just wanted it to be moved to pay TV, where fewer people would see it... The letter says, We strongly urge you to halt the show's broadcast... Censorship is an enforceable order by an authority. To call an attempt to persuade (strongly urge) by members of the public, who have no power either to order or to enforce, censorship or even an appeal to censorship is a dangerous misuse of the term and a serious misunderstanding of the nature of free speech and the First Amendment. There would be nothing wrong with Barry making an argument that the broadcast should proceed as scheduled. Barry, however, fails to make such an argument and instead resorts, as is his unfortunate wont, to ad hominem and an appeal to emotions rather than facts or reason. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood I don't think any historians asked for it to be pulled. What happened is that some Democrats, terrified that some misinformation in the film would lose votes for their candidates in the next election, demanded that it be pulled. The hilarious part about this is that many of the same people calling for this film not to be aired (including our own Judy Stein) are the SAME people who threw a hissy fit and screamed to high heaven when Republicans tried to keep Fahrenheit 9/11 from being aired on public TV before the 2004 election (and for the exact same reason...they were afraid that film would lose votes for *their* candidates). Basically, it's a pretty fascinating study in hypocrisy. The bottom line for the censor's mindset seems to be that it's only censorship if the other guys are doing it. When *we* do it, it's something else, something noble. Yeah, right. My understanding is that it aired wthout commercials? Who paid for it? ABC. http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117949477?categoryid=14cs=1 So, when 9/11 was about to be aired, did the network offer to sponsor it? If you don't see dramatic distinctions between this situation and the F9/11 one, I suspect you're either a Republican shill, or bending ovr backwards to appear fair simply because Judy (and to a lesser extent, I) are expressing doubts about it. BTW, yu never answered my question about what car your neighbor's kids are using to learn to drive with in the UK? How old are your neighbor's kids, BTW? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood I don't think any historians asked for it to be pulled. What happened is that some Democrats, terrified that some misinformation in the film would lose votes for their candidates in the next election, demanded that it be pulled. The hilarious part about this is that many of the same people calling for this film not to be aired (including our own Judy Stein) are the SAME people who threw a hissy fit and screamed to high heaven when Republicans tried to keep Fahrenheit 9/11 from being aired on public TV before the 2004 election (and for the exact same reason...they were afraid that film would lose votes for *their* candidates). Basically, it's a pretty fascinating study in hypocrisy. The bottom line for the censor's mindset seems to be that it's only censorship if the other guys are doing it. When *we* do it, it's something else, something noble. Yeah, right. My understanding is that it aired wthout commercials? Who paid for it? ABC. http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117949477?categoryid=14cs=1 So, when 9/11 was about to be aired, did the network offer to sponsor it? Fahrenheit 9/11 was never scheduled to be broadcast, on either the networks or PBS. If you don't see dramatic distinctions between this situation and the F9/11 one, I suspect you're either a Republican shill, or bending ovr backwards to appear fair simply because Judy (and to a lesser extent, I) are expressing doubts about it. He's just making up facts to suit his own fantasy, as usual. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood I don't think any historians asked for it to be pulled. (Barry has acknowledged that he was mistaken on this point.) What happened is that some Democrats, terrified that some misinformation in the film would lose votes for their candidates in the next election, demanded that it be pulled. Barry conveniently neglects to mention that a significant number of conservative Republicans--including Bill Bennett and Bill O'Reilly--have *also* urged that it be pulled. The hilarious part about this is that many of the same people calling for this film not to be aired (including our own Judy Stein) are the SAME people who threw a hissy fit and screamed to high heaven when Republicans tried to keep Fahrenheit 9/11 from being aired on public TV before the 2004 election (and for the exact same reason...they were afraid that film would lose votes for *their* candidates). Actually, the Republicans tried to persuade *movie theaters* not to show the film. It was never scheduled for public television. At one point Moore had planned to show it on pay-per-view the night before the election, but decided against it, as I recall. The Republicans had every right to urge movie theaters not to show the film. They were exercising their right to free speech, and the movie theaters exercised *their* right to free speech by showing it despite the protests. Basically, it's a pretty fascinating study in hypocrisy. You can't get your facts straight enough to do any kind of study. The bottom line for the censor's mindset seems to be that it's only censorship if the other guys are doing it. When *we* do it, it's something else, something noble. It's not censorship in *either* case. Yeah, right. My understanding is that it aired wthout commercials? Who paid for it? ABC. http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117949477?categoryid=14cs=1 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't see dramatic distinctions between this situation and the F9/11 one, I suspect you're either a Republican shill, or bending ovr backwards to appear fair simply because Judy (and to a lesser extent, I) are expressing doubts about it. I'm merely pointing out that some people (Judy more than you) tend to be total hypocrites with regard to the Republicans you hate. There seems to be *no question* that this miniseries was an intentional hatchet job. But Judy and others were advocating a form of censorship (try to keep the film from being seen) that was obviously based on their *own* (Democratic) poliitcal goals. Judy's original suggestion was that the film not be shown until after the upcoming mid-term elections. There can be NO conceivable reason for her making that suggestion unless what she was *really* wanting to achieve was to keep potential voters from seeing something that might make them less likely to vote Democratic. It was *purely* a suggestion that was based on censoring what the public could see, with the idea of influencing an upcoming election. There is no other *conceivable* reason for suggesting that delay of the broadcast date. And *then* she further stipulated that when the miniseries *was* finally shown, it should be shown on pay TV and not free broadcast TV. She can claim all day that this was to make it seem more like entertainment, but I think that every thinking person in the FFL audience knows what she really had in mind. Fewer people watch pay TV than broadcast TV. Duh...Judy wanted the film *seen* by fewer people. I'm checking in on this tempest in a pisspot because ONCE AGAIN Judy has shown her willingness to do the *same* things herself that she decries in others. When it's *her* political goals that she wants advanced, she's willing to do the *same* things that she admon- ishes the Republicans for doing. As Shemp has pointed out often, her supposed outrage over lying and immorality doesn't seem to apply as strictly to Democrats as it does to Republicans. Shemp thinks this failing is because she's a Democrat; I think it's because she's a hypocrite, that's all. BTW, yu never answered my question about what car your neighbor's kids are using to learn to drive with in the UK? I don't know and I don't care. How old are your neighbor's kids, BTW? I don't know and I don't care. Approaching the minimum legal driving age, one would assume. Are you still trying to claim that people are too stupid to learn two different procedures at the same time? If so, I will graciously end the debate by admitting that I feel it is *completely* possible that YOU are too stupid to learn two different procedures at once. There. Debate over. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
Notice, by the way, that unlike what I have done, Barry will not engage with my arguments in the interests of furthering understanding of the issue. Barry prefers the hit-and-run approach, which relieves him of any need to do any thinking to justify his perspective. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: If you don't see dramatic distinctions between this situation and the F9/11 one, I suspect you're either a Republican shill, or bending ovr backwards to appear fair simply because Judy (and to a lesser extent, I) are expressing doubts about it. I'm merely pointing out that some people (Judy more than you) tend to be total hypocrites with regard to the Republicans you hate. There seems to be *no question* that this miniseries was an intentional hatchet job. But Judy and others were advocating a form of censorship (try to keep the film from being seen) that was obviously based on their *own* (Democratic) poliitcal goals. However, that was not advocating censorship. Censorship is *forcing* material to be withdrawn or changed. I do not have that power. The only entity that has that power is ABC itself. Judy's original suggestion was that the film not be shown until after the upcoming mid-term elections. There can be NO conceivable reason for her making that suggestion unless what she was *really* wanting to achieve was to keep potential voters from seeing something that might make them less likely to vote Democratic. My reasons were more complex than that, of course. It wasn't just the pre-election scheduling; it was the scheduling on the anniversary of 9/11, when people's emotions are likely to be raw and on the surface, and they are therefore more suggestible. It would have been *less* bad to show it a month later, even though that would be closer to the election, because its partisanship would then have been more obvious. It would have been a lot more difficult to pretend the film was some kind of public service, a respectful historical reenactment of a national tragedy based on authoritative documents. It was *purely* a suggestion that was based on censoring what the public could see No, it was not a suggestion based on censoring, as I've already pointed out. , with the idea of influencing an upcoming election. With the idea of *preventing* the *dishonest* influencing of a coming election. There is no other *conceivable* reason for suggesting that delay of the broadcast date. As noted below, it's *inherently* inappropriate for a historically inaccurate program pushing a partisan perspective to be shown on the public airwaves without giving equal time to the opposing perspective, regardless of the timing. And *then* she further stipulated that when the miniseries *was* finally shown, it should be shown on pay TV and not free broadcast TV. She can claim all day that this was to make it seem more like entertainment, but I think that every thinking person in the FFL audience knows what she really had in mind. Fewer people watch pay TV than broadcast TV. Duh...Judy wanted the film *seen* by fewer people. No, that isn't what I really had in mind, sorry. My first thought was, as you say, that it would be more obviously entertainment if it were on pay-TV. My second thought was more on target: partisan programs are unsuitable for the public airwaves, *unless* they're balanced by the opposite point of view. Hence my suggestion of showing the film as scheduled, followed by a rebuttal of the historical inaccuracies. I'm checking in on this tempest in a pisspot because ONCE AGAIN Judy has shown her willingness to do the *same* things herself that she decries in others. When it's *her* political goals that she wants advanced, she's willing to do the *same* things that she admon- ishes the Republicans for doing. It would be fully appropriate for Republicans to advocate that a partisan, historical inaccurate film that reflects badly on their party not be broadcast on national television, especially not before an election, and *especially* not on a day of national remembrance of a great tragedy when nobody is thinking about politics. So I would not admonish them for doing such a thing, to the contrary. They'd be quite correct to do so. Sorry, wrong again. As Shemp has pointed out often, her supposed outrage over lying and immorality doesn't seem to apply as strictly to Democrats as it does to Republicans. Shemp thinks this failing is because she's a Democrat; I think it's because she's a hypocrite, that's all. In fact, it *does* apply as strictly to Democrats as to Republicans. Sorry, wrong *again*. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: As Shemp has pointed out often, her supposed outrage over lying and immorality doesn't seem to apply as strictly to Democrats as it does to Republicans. Shemp thinks this failing is because she's a Democrat; I think it's because she's a hypocrite, that's all. In fact, it *does* apply as strictly to Democrats as to Republicans. Sorry, wrong *again*. If you honestly believe what you said above: 1. You obviously have a dislike for liars. Do you believe that you are consistent in your vehement denunciations of people who lie, no matter who they might be? That is, do you hold all liars to the same high standards? 2. Do you feel that when it's obvious that someone has lied that it's somehow your duty or responsibility to point out their lies and seriously chastise them for lying, no matter who they might be? If you do believe this, do you think you've been consistent at doing this in real life? 3. Do you believe that someone who justifies the lies of others, makes excuses for them, or in some way apologizes for the lies and explains them away is also guilty of lying? Just curious... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
In a message dated 9/11/06 6:11:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Basically, it's a pretty fascinating study in hypocrisy.The bottom line for the censor's mindset seems to bethat it's only censorship if the other guys are doing it.When *we* do it, it's something else, something noble. Bingo __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood It would not surprise me that it is not accurate. The Americans made a film in the '90s about a British sub that captured the German code Enigma machine and the Brits kept it secret for years during the war. Most US ships would have been sunk in the Atlantic by the U- boats if it were not for this capture. However, in the movie it was portrayed as an American sub captured it. So one of the most important parts of WW2 was made to be an American victory, and the whole war was portryed that way. Four main factors can be attributed to the winning of WW2: 1. Montgomery's defeat of Rommels tank divisions in northern Africa. 2. The Battle of Britain - a long air battle - Brits agains Germans - won by the Brits with the mass of the German Luftwafe being destroyed. 3. The invention of radar during the war - a British invention. 4. The capture of the Enigma machine - by the Brits. Once all this hard stuff had been done and the war had essentially been won, the Americans came in with their grunts. Finally, another illusion Americans are under is that they beat the Brits in their War of Independence. Not true. The Brits, instead of fighting the US, focused on a more important enemy - the French, Spanish, and Dutch were all at full-on war against Britain in Europe. Brtain won that war and gave the colonies to the landgrabbers in the US. Twelve years or so later...the Brits thrashed the Americans when the US tried to invade Canada. Now the right wingers are trying to re-write the 9/11 story. What a ridiculouos country. No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. OffWorld I am vacationing with friends. We watched V for Vendetta instead (which they had not seen). :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/11/06 6:11:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Basically, it's a pretty fascinating study in hypocrisy. The bottom line for the censor's mindset seems to be that it's only censorship if the other guys are doing it. When *we* do it, it's something else, something noble. Bingo Remember that Barry is using a very different definition of censorship than you are, MDixon. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
Just quote whatever you believe I've said that's inconsistent, Barry, and I'll be happy to address it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: As Shemp has pointed out often, her supposed outrage over lying and immorality doesn't seem to apply as strictly to Democrats as it does to Republicans. Shemp thinks this failing is because she's a Democrat; I think it's because she's a hypocrite, that's all. In fact, it *does* apply as strictly to Democrats as to Republicans. Sorry, wrong *again*. If you honestly believe what you said above: 1. You obviously have a dislike for liars. Do you believe that you are consistent in your vehement denunciations of people who lie, no matter who they might be? That is, do you hold all liars to the same high standards? 2. Do you feel that when it's obvious that someone has lied that it's somehow your duty or responsibility to point out their lies and seriously chastise them for lying, no matter who they might be? If you do believe this, do you think you've been consistent at doing this in real life? 3. Do you believe that someone who justifies the lies of others, makes excuses for them, or in some way apologizes for the lies and explains them away is also guilty of lying? Just curious... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. snip I am vacationing with friends. We watched V for Vendetta instead (which they had not seen). :) And in honor of 9/11 we've been watching Alex Jone's TerrorStorm. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. And then tries to move here. Well, if you travel abroad much you will find masses of Americans who have moved out of this country and never want to move back to it, and billions of people who would never want to move here. (I came here by an accident - not intentional) OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood It would not surprise me that it is not accurate. The Americans made a film in the '90s about a British sub that captured the German code Enigma machine and the Brits kept it secret for years during the war. Most US ships would have been sunk in the Atlantic by the U- boats if it were not for this capture. However, in the movie it was portrayed as an American sub captured it. So one of the most important parts of WW2 was made to be an American victory, and the whole war was portryed that way. Four main factors can be attributed to the winning of WW2: 1. Montgomery's defeat of Rommels tank divisions in northern Africa. 2. The Battle of Britain - a long air battle - Brits agains Germans - won by the Brits with the mass of the German Luftwafe being destroyed. 3. The invention of radar during the war - a British invention. 4. The capture of the Enigma machine - by the Brits. Once all this hard stuff had been done and the war had essentially been won, the Americans came in with their grunts. Finally, another illusion Americans are under is that they beat the Brits in their War of Independence. Not true. The Brits, instead of fighting the US, focused on a more important enemy - the French, Spanish, and Dutch were all at full-on war against Britain in Europe. Brtain won that war and gave the colonies to the landgrabbers in the US. Twelve years or so later...the Brits thrashed the Americans when the US tried to invade Canada. Now the right wingers are trying to re-write the 9/11 story. What a ridiculouos country. No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. And then tries to move here. Yeah, it's like Canadians. They express their hatred for the US but they'll be the first ones in line for a Green Card... The majority of Canadians would NEVER move permanently to the US. You are again showing the thing the world laughs at in Americansyour ignorance of the world and its peoples. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood It would not surprise me that it is not accurate. The Americans made a film in the '90s about a British sub that captured the German code Enigma machine and the Brits kept it secret for years during the war. Most US ships would have been sunk in the Atlantic by the U- boats if it were not for this capture. However, in the movie it was portrayed as an American sub captured it. So one of the most important parts of WW2 was made to be an American victory, and the whole war was portryed that way. Four main factors can be attributed to the winning of WW2: 1. Montgomery's defeat of Rommels tank divisions in northern Africa. 2. The Battle of Britain - a long air battle - Brits agains Germans - won by the Brits with the mass of the German Luftwafe being destroyed. 3. The invention of radar during the war - a British invention. 4. The capture of the Enigma machine - by the Brits. Once all this hard stuff had been done and the war had essentially been won, the Americans came in with their grunts. Finally, another illusion Americans are under is that they beat the Brits in their War of Independence. Not true. The Brits, instead of fighting the US, focused on a more important enemy - the French, Spanish, and Dutch were all at full-on war against Britain in Europe. Brtain won that war and gave the colonies to the landgrabbers in the US. Twelve years or so later...the Brits thrashed the Americans when the US tried to invade Canada. Now the right wingers are trying to re-write the 9/11 story. What a ridiculouos country. No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
,We have our flaws. We have our greatness. It is America baby and I love it. Sure, but you will be the first to denounce it . OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have our flaws. We have our greatness. It is America baby and I love it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. And then tries to move here. Yeah, it's like Canadians. They express their hatred for the US but they'll be the first ones in line for a Green Card... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood It would not surprise me that it is not accurate. The Americans made a film in the '90s about a British sub that captured the German code Enigma machine and the Brits kept it secret for years during the war. Most US ships would have been sunk in the Atlantic by the U- boats if it were not for this capture. However, in the movie it was portrayed as an American sub captured it. So one of the most important parts of WW2 was made to be an American victory, and the whole war was portryed that way. Four main factors can be attributed to the winning of WW2: 1. Montgomery's defeat of Rommels tank divisions in northern Africa. 2. The Battle of Britain - a long air battle - Brits agains Germans - won by the Brits with the mass of the German Luftwafe being destroyed. 3. The invention of radar during the war - a British invention. 4. The capture of the Enigma machine - by the Brits. Once all this hard stuff had been done and the war had essentially been won, the Americans came in with their grunts. Finally, another illusion Americans are under is that they beat the Brits in their War of Independence. Not true. The Brits, instead of fighting the US, focused on a more important enemy - the French, Spanish, and Dutch were all at full-on war against Britain in Europe. Brtain won that war and gave the colonies to the landgrabbers in the US. Twelve years or so later...the Brits thrashed the Americans when the US tried to invade Canada. Now the right wingers are trying to re-write the 9/11 story. What a ridiculouos country. No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood I don't think any historians asked for it to be pulled. BTW, it would seem I was wrong about this. Judy posted some letter by supposed historians that I missed because I normally click past all of her posts without reading them. It was only when I saw some of the things she was quoted as saying about this film and what she wanted to do about it in other people's posts that I got involved in calling her what she is, a censor. Anyway, I was wrong above. The letter does exist, and it goes even further than Judy did in its appeal to censorship. It calls for the broadcast to be halted. ... Yep, I was going to do a search for this but that is what I was talking about. Anyways...it'll all comeout in the wash. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/11/06 12:37:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. And then tries to move here. Or begs us to bail them out of their predicaments. ROFFLMFAO ! ! ! You mean like when Bush and Rumsfeld BEGGED the UN for help about 6 months of a year after they invaded Iraq? Or when they BEGGED the UN to help in Lebanon after the Rice insisted that the Syrians get out of Lebanon (a country that was doing INCREDIBLY well, with a very happy population under the Syrian rule...they had expected a couple of million tourists this summer, but Rice strongly helped to fuck that up). OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: If you don't see dramatic distinctions between this situation and the F9/11 one, I suspect you're either a Republican shill, or bending ovr backwards to appear fair simply because Judy (and to a lesser extent, I) are expressing doubts about it. I'm merely pointing out that some people (Judy more than you) tend to be total hypocrites with regard to the Republicans you hate. There seems to be *no question* that this miniseries was an intentional hatchet job. But Judy and others were advocating a form of censorship (try to keep the film from being seen) snip So there will be no call for self-censorship (which is what this was a call for) when I get my film aired about the prez having sex with a donkey (and a python), and old fuck you Cheney underground doing illegal shenanigans with those that are not to have shenanigans imposed upon them. You will not object?? So Turquoise, Gerbal and Shempgurk think that the prez had sex with a donkey and cheney is doing unseemly shenanigans undergroundis that what you are claiming? ? I think you will be called upon to explain yourself when you are saying that the prez had sex with a donkey and cheney is doing unseemly shenanigans underground. It is a strange claim you are making here. Please back up your claim with evidence please ! ...instead of smearing the internet with these imprecise rumors of yours. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: BTW, yu never answered my question about what car your neighbor's kids are using to learn to drive with in the UK? I don't know and I don't care. Answer: they must drive a car with L on the license plate to show there's a learner and must have a UK registered driver (not someone with an EU license) sitting beside them at all times. If your neighbor doesn't have such a car, they almost certainly are learning from a professional instructor on a regular british-drive car, so the issue of keeping track of which hand drive is which is far less difficult than it would be otherwise. How old are your neighbor's kids, BTW? I don't know and I don't care. Approaching the minimum legal driving age, one would assume. That would be age 17 in order to sit behind the wheel unless they meet special requirements. Are you still trying to claim that people are too stupid to learn two different procedures at the same time? If so, I will graciously end the debate by admitting that I feel it is *completely* possible that YOU are too stupid to learn two different procedures at once. There. Debate over. :-) I'm starting to wonder if you have ever driven a car in England at all... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
I think you guys are on to something. I need to find out what I am missing out on in Canada. It is so smart to take advantage of shared borders. I am taking notes brother. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. And then tries to move here. Yeah, it's like Canadians. They express their hatred for the US but they'll be the first ones in line for a Green Card... The majority of Canadians would NEVER move permanently to the US. You are again showing the thing the world laughs at in Americansyour ignorance of the world and its peoples. I'm a Canadian citizen and I speak from personal experience. I got here on the Green Card lottery. Virtually everyone I knew in my small sphere of influence back home applied (at least those that weren't already dual U.S./Canadian citizens). OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood It would not surprise me that it is not accurate. The Americans made a film in the '90s about a British sub that captured the German code Enigma machine and the Brits kept it secret for years during the war. Most US ships would have been sunk in the Atlantic by the U- boats if it were not for this capture. However, in the movie it was portrayed as an American sub captured it. So one of the most important parts of WW2 was made to be an American victory, and the whole war was portryed that way. Four main factors can be attributed to the winning of WW2: 1. Montgomery's defeat of Rommels tank divisions in northern Africa. 2. The Battle of Britain - a long air battle - Brits agains Germans - won by the Brits with the mass of the German Luftwafe being destroyed. 3. The invention of radar during the war - a British invention. 4. The capture of the Enigma machine - by the Brits. Once all this hard stuff had been done and the war had essentially been won, the Americans came in with their grunts. Finally, another illusion Americans are under is that they beat the Brits in their War of Independence. Not true. The Brits, instead of fighting the US, focused on a more important enemy - the French, Spanish, and Dutch were all at full-on war against Britain in Europe. Brtain won that war and gave the colonies to the landgrabbers in the US. Twelve years or so later...the Brits thrashed the Americans when the US tried to invade Canada. Now the right wingers are trying to re-write the 9/11 story. What a ridiculouos country. No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. And then tries to move here. Well, if you travel abroad much you will find masses of Americans who have moved out of this country and never want to move back to it, and billions of people who would never want to move here. (I came here by an accident - not intentional) OffWorld There are 6 billion people in the world. about 5 billion of them are below the U.S. defined poverty line. I would bet you that if given the chance virtually 90% of those 5 billion and about 50% of the other 1 billion would, indeed, come to the U.S. if given the chance. So I think your billions claim above is, simply, wrong. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood It would not surprise me that it is not accurate. The Americans made a film in the '90s about a British sub that captured the German code Enigma machine and the Brits kept it secret for years during the war. Most US ships would have been sunk in the Atlantic by the U- boats if it were not for this capture. However, in the movie it was portrayed as an American sub captured it. So one of the most important parts of WW2 was made to be an American victory, and the whole war was portryed that way. Four main factors can be attributed to the winning of WW2: 1. Montgomery's defeat of Rommels tank divisions in northern Africa. 2. The Battle of Britain - a long air battle - Brits agains Germans - won by the Brits with the mass of the German Luftwafe being destroyed. 3. The invention of radar during the war - a British invention. 4. The capture of the Enigma machine - by the Brits. Once all this hard stuff had been done and the war had essentially been won, the Americans came in with their grunts. Finally, another illusion Americans are under is that they beat the Brits in their War of Independence. Not true. The Brits, instead of fighting the US, focused on a more important enemy - the French, Spanish, and Dutch were all at full-on war against Britain in Europe. Brtain won that war and gave the colonies to the landgrabbers in the US. Twelve years or so later...the Brits thrashed the Americans when the US tried to invade Canada. Now the right wingers are trying to re-write the 9/11 story. What a ridiculouos country. No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. And then tries to move here. Yeah, it's like Canadians. They express their hatred for the US but they'll be the first ones in line for a Green Card... The majority of Canadians would NEVER move permanently to the US. You are again showing the thing the world laughs at in Americansyour ignorance of the world and its peoples. I'm a Canadian citizen and I speak from personal experience. I got here on the Green Card lottery. Virtually everyone I knew in my small sphere of influence back home applied (at least those that weren't already dual U.S./Canadian citizens). OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood It would not surprise me that it is not accurate. The Americans made a film in the '90s about a British sub that captured the German code Enigma machine and the Brits kept it secret for years during the war. Most US ships would have been sunk in the Atlantic by the U- boats if it were not for this capture. However, in the movie it was portrayed as an American sub captured it. So one of the most important parts of WW2 was made to be an American victory, and the whole war was portryed that way. Four main factors can be attributed to the winning of WW2: 1. Montgomery's defeat of Rommels tank divisions in northern Africa. 2. The Battle of Britain - a long air battle - Brits agains Germans - won by the Brits with the mass of the German Luftwafe being destroyed. 3. The invention of radar during the war - a British invention. 4. The capture of the Enigma machine - by the Brits. Once all this hard stuff had been done and the war had essentially been won, the Americans came in with their grunts. Finally, another illusion Americans are under is that they beat the Brits in their War of Independence. Not true. The Brits, instead of fighting the US, focused on a more important enemy - the French, Spanish, and Dutch were all at full-on war against Britain in Europe. Brtain won that war and gave the colonies to the landgrabbers in the US. Twelve years or so later...the Brits thrashed the Americans when the US tried to invade Canada. Now the right wingers are trying to re-write the 9/11 story. What a ridiculouos country. No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you guys are on to something. I need to find out what I am missing out on in Canada. A few acres of snow -- Voltaire on Canada It is so smart to take advantage of shared borders. I am taking notes brother. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. And then tries to move here. Yeah, it's like Canadians. They express their hatred for the US but they'll be the first ones in line for a Green Card... The majority of Canadians would NEVER move permanently to the US. You are again showing the thing the world laughs at in Americansyour ignorance of the world and its peoples. I'm a Canadian citizen and I speak from personal experience. I got here on the Green Card lottery. Virtually everyone I knew in my small sphere of influence back home applied (at least those that weren't already dual U.S./Canadian citizens). OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood It would not surprise me that it is not accurate. The Americans made a film in the '90s about a British sub that captured the German code Enigma machine and the Brits kept it secret for years during the war. Most US ships would have been sunk in the Atlantic by the U- boats if it were not for this capture. However, in the movie it was portrayed as an American sub captured it. So one of the most important parts of WW2 was made to be an American victory, and the whole war was portryed that way. Four main factors can be attributed to the winning of WW2: 1. Montgomery's defeat of Rommels tank divisions in northern Africa. 2. The Battle of Britain - a long air battle - Brits agains Germans - won by the Brits with the mass of the German Luftwafe being destroyed. 3. The invention of radar during the war - a British invention. 4. The capture of the Enigma machine - by the Brits. Once all this hard stuff had been done and the war had essentially been won, the Americans came in with their grunts. Finally, another illusion Americans are under is that they beat the Brits in their War of Independence. Not true. The Brits, instead of fighting the US, focused on a more important enemy - the French, Spanish, and Dutch were all at full-on war against Britain in Europe. Brtain won that war and gave the colonies to the landgrabbers in the US. Twelve years or so later...the Brits thrashed the Americans when the US tried to invade Canada. Now the right wingers are trying to re-write the 9/11 story. What a ridiculouos country. No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood It would not surprise me that it is not accurate. The Americans made a film in the '90s about a British sub that captured the German code Enigma machine and the Brits kept it secret for years during the war. Most US ships would have been sunk in the Atlantic by the U- boats if it were not for this capture. However, in the movie it was portrayed as an American sub captured it. So one of the most important parts of WW2 was made to be an American victory, and the whole war was portryed that way. Four main factors can be attributed to the winning of WW2: One main factor can be attributed to the winning of WW2: 1. The Soviet Union. The madman Stalin didn't give a shit for human life, particularly those of his own countrymen. So, through the principle of attrition, he threw as many Russians at the Germans as possible and, eventually, they drove the Germans right back to Berlin. Of course, it cost 20 million Soviet lives... 1. Montgomery's defeat of Rommels tank divisions in northern Africa. 2. The Battle of Britain - a long air battle - Brits agains Germans - won by the Brits with the mass of the German Luftwafe being destroyed. 3. The invention of radar during the war - a British invention. 4. The capture of the Enigma machine - by the Brits. Once all this hard stuff had been done and the war had essentially been won, the Americans came in with their grunts. Finally, another illusion Americans are under is that they beat the Brits in their War of Independence. Not true. The Brits, instead of fighting the US, focused on a more important enemy - the French, Spanish, and Dutch were all at full-on war against Britain in Europe. Brtain won that war and gave the colonies to the landgrabbers in the US. Twelve years or so later...the Brits thrashed the Americans when the US tried to invade Canada. Now the right wingers are trying to re-write the 9/11 story. What a ridiculouos country. No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. And then tries to move here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood It would not surprise me that it is not accurate. The Americans made a film in the '90s about a British sub that captured the German code Enigma machine and the Brits kept it secret for years during the war. Most US ships would have been sunk in the Atlantic by the U- boats if it were not for this capture. However, in the movie it was portrayed as an American sub captured it. So one of the most important parts of WW2 was made to be an American victory, and the whole war was portryed that way. Four main factors can be attributed to the winning of WW2: 1. Montgomery's defeat of Rommels tank divisions in northern Africa. 2. The Battle of Britain - a long air battle - Brits agains Germans - won by the Brits with the mass of the German Luftwafe being destroyed. 3. The invention of radar during the war - a British invention. 4. The capture of the Enigma machine - by the Brits. Once all this hard stuff had been done and the war had essentially been won, the Americans came in with their grunts. Finally, another illusion Americans are under is that they beat the Brits in their War of Independence. Not true. The Brits, instead of fighting the US, focused on a more important enemy - the French, Spanish, and Dutch were all at full-on war against Britain in Europe. Brtain won that war and gave the colonies to the landgrabbers in the US. Twelve years or so later...the Brits thrashed the Americans when the US tried to invade Canada. Now the right wingers are trying to re-write the 9/11 story. What a ridiculouos country. No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. And then tries to move here. Yeah, it's like Canadians. They express their hatred for the US but they'll be the first ones in line for a Green Card... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood It would not surprise me that it is not accurate. The Americans made a film in the '90s about a British sub that captured the German code Enigma machine and the Brits kept it secret for years during the war. Most US ships would have been sunk in the Atlantic by the U- boats if it were not for this capture. However, in the movie it was portrayed as an American sub captured it. So one of the most important parts of WW2 was made to be an American victory, and the whole war was portryed that way. Four main factors can be attributed to the winning of WW2: 1. Montgomery's defeat of Rommels tank divisions in northern Africa. 2. The Battle of Britain - a long air battle - Brits agains Germans - won by the Brits with the mass of the German Luftwafe being destroyed. 3. The invention of radar during the war - a British invention. 4. The capture of the Enigma machine - by the Brits. Once all this hard stuff had been done and the war had essentially been won, the Americans came in with their grunts. Finally, another illusion Americans are under is that they beat the Brits in their War of Independence. Not true. The Brits, instead of fighting the US, focused on a more important enemy - the French, Spanish, and Dutch were all at full-on war against Britain in Europe. Brtain won that war and gave the colonies to the landgrabbers in the US. Twelve years or so later...the Brits thrashed the Americans when the US tried to invade Canada. Now the right wingers are trying to re-write the 9/11 story. What a ridiculouos country. No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The path to 9/11 and other myths.
We have our flaws. We have our greatness. It is America baby and I love it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. And then tries to move here. Yeah, it's like Canadians. They express their hatred for the US but they'll be the first ones in line for a Green Card... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The path to 9/11 and other myths. All I heard about this is that it is not historically accurate, and historians have asked for it to be pulled, and that it was orchestrated by some right wing shennanigans in Holywood It would not surprise me that it is not accurate. The Americans made a film in the '90s about a British sub that captured the German code Enigma machine and the Brits kept it secret for years during the war. Most US ships would have been sunk in the Atlantic by the U- boats if it were not for this capture. However, in the movie it was portrayed as an American sub captured it. So one of the most important parts of WW2 was made to be an American victory, and the whole war was portryed that way. Four main factors can be attributed to the winning of WW2: 1. Montgomery's defeat of Rommels tank divisions in northern Africa. 2. The Battle of Britain - a long air battle - Brits agains Germans - won by the Brits with the mass of the German Luftwafe being destroyed. 3. The invention of radar during the war - a British invention. 4. The capture of the Enigma machine - by the Brits. Once all this hard stuff had been done and the war had essentially been won, the Americans came in with their grunts. Finally, another illusion Americans are under is that they beat the Brits in their War of Independence. Not true. The Brits, instead of fighting the US, focused on a more important enemy - the French, Spanish, and Dutch were all at full-on war against Britain in Europe. Brtain won that war and gave the colonies to the landgrabbers in the US. Twelve years or so later...the Brits thrashed the Americans when the US tried to invade Canada. Now the right wingers are trying to re-write the 9/11 story. What a ridiculouos country. No wonder everyone laughs at the USA. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
