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Oh, okay. Thanks for your reply. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : xen, since you've asked, let's cut to the chase. let's take today's distortion, (imo), Do you think Rick believed Ravi's alleged claim that he was/is enlightened? I would not know what Rick believed. I tried to watch the Ravi video some time ago and it had been taken down. Or is this a distortion on Barry's part of what Rick believes? As I do not know what Rick thought, I could not know if what Barry said was a distortion. Or is it, perhaps, some kind of bait for either for Rick, or possibly, Ravi to respond? What do you think? Rick rarely responds on FFL, and does not seem particularly interested in what happens here, and Ravi has not been here for some time. I thought Ravi was a bit nuts, although on occasion he seemed sane enough. As for a conclusion whether Ravi was enlightened, I would not come to that conclusion based on the evidence I have seen, but I have not seen all that others have. I pray you won't go silent on me, as you are wont to do on occasion. I simply do not have the information to make even a barely educated guess. With regard to Richard's posts, they largely seem unconnected to what goes on here, almost as if a computer takes a few keywords from posts and then generates or copies content to make it seem as if they are a response to something. I almost always skip over them (and when using email, those posts are automatically put in the trash). This is the only poster whose posts I think are a total waste of time. Because Rick probably does not read the posts here much, if at all, he would not know this (and if he does, then there is probably just a wry smile that says 'deal with it'). Perception is a filter, there is always a distortion and an incompleteness in the way the data is manipulated by our sensory apparatus, processing, and by the mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : As I've said before, Rick believed Ravi Chivukula when he claimed to be enlightened, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Because our minds interpret what others say — they do not have direct access — it almost always comes across as a distortion, particularly if the participants have differing views of a subject. I think I am almost astonished at how wide that divergence is. Investigating the idea rather than the person is what keeps one on track, though at times that is rather difficult to do. I think it may depend on how much attachment a person has to a particular idea being 'right'. It is often difficult to tell if a person has deliberately misrepresented an idea or just does not understand it, or refuses to understand it. I seem to be in a conversation with jr-esq about good and evil, and while I have a sense of those terms, I find it difficult to think of them as real categories. I categorise experience as pleasant and unpleasant, safe or dangerous in relation to my own well being and those of others, not as good and evil or right and wrong which seem to me to be more a function of geography and cultural upbringing than any sort of reality. While it is easy to find fault with the TMO, the underlying issues seems to be related to the way people differ in how they regard the relationship of thought to reality. There are experiences and experience and there are words about those experiences, the words are not the experiences, but often seem to be mistaken for them. And most words we use are abstractions, combinations of words related to each other and not to an original experience or fact. The words, their meanings to us, and their relationships with each other become a separate, private reality disconnected from any wider connexion with the world. Cult thinking is just this disconnect become a fixed habit in regard to certain specific ideas related to a particular group of people. If it is just a particular individual that is trapped in this sort of private verbal world, then you might call it an obsession the person has. From a logical viewpoint though, whether a person is obsessed or in the grip of groupthink, each idea can stand independently of how you regard the person who stated them personally. What do you think is the most significant distortion you have come across on Fairfield Life? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your advice Jason. I'm sorry if you don't care for the content of my posts. And again, you have a knack for proving the points I am trying to make. I get it that individuals here find fault in the TM Organization. I find plenty of faults myself. But for those who have made a career of it, try to stay on course with the criticisms, instead of distorting what others say. Do
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. And you believed him? Has he run amok? His stated aim is to make this place unreadable because he doesn't like what some people say. He's a troll and an obviously mentally deranged on, if not actually autistic. You did him a big favour banning him from posting and a big mistake letting him back in. You should do HIM a favour by banning him again, maybe he can do something useful with his life if he's stopped from wasting his time being ignored by the people that actually LIKE posting here. The irony of Willytex is that he considers himself a big spiritual deal but any casual observer would consider him barking mad. And an unpleasant character to boot. I'm torn between saying should do spirituality a favour by keeping him out of sight or using him as an example that a life devoted to higher pursuits doesn't always lead where you want. Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. Just something I set up. The significant thing is the 175K or so people who watch or listen to the interviews each month. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 7:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. So now it's Rick that is the cause of your tribulations, Barry? My god, man, look at thyself! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise. I certainly agree with the latter statement, and with your assessment of Rick's non-involvement. Interesting, isn't it, that the forum he created to discuss the BATGAP interviews gets ZERO traffic, because it turned out so namby-pamby and insipid that no one stuck around. It's difficult for me to understand how someone like Rick who claims that his main interest is the enlightened people he interviews CAN'T TELL how insane Willytex is. Then again, Rick is the one who actually believed that *Ravi* was enlightened, too. Go figure.
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From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. Has he run amok? Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. The same is obviously true about Fairfield Life, Rick. You don't give a shit. You clearly haven't even bothered to *read* anything that Richard has posted. If you had, you would know what he posts, and why he posts -- to attack me. He's still doing the same things he was doing to Curtis, and that you dumped him for. Same with both Feste and Steve -- I challenge *either* of them to point us to a post they have made in the last six months that was NOT attacking me or Michael. Neither of them have *anything* to say unless it's attacking me. Therefore one can make a case that I do them a service -- if it weren't for me, both of them would be mistaken for rocks. :-)
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. And you believed him? As I've said before, Rick believed Ravi Chivukula when he claimed to be enlightened, too. Has he run amok? His stated aim is to make this place unreadable because he doesn't like what some people say. He's a troll and an obviously mentally deranged on, if not actually autistic. You did him a big favour banning him from posting and a big mistake letting him back in. I agree, and not just because he is obsessed with stalking me, and has been for 20 years. Rick made Ravi Chivukula's obvious mental illnesses WORSE by giving him a forum on which to act them out. He is doing the same thing to Willytex.
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From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Come on now Feste, be reasonable and be honest. All the things you lay at my and Barry's door, (plus Curtis, Sal etc) could equally be applied to those who post what you call abuse towards all of us who don't care for TM, Marshy and the Movement. Evidently you think abuse is ok as long as it is aimed at those who don't like what you like. It is a balanced scale on both sides I think. Except that it isn't. Both you and I (and certainly Curtis back when he was posting here) are willing and able to discuss the actual facts of any criticism we levy against TM, Maharishi, and the TM movement. We can cite historical examples and even reviews of bad research by scientists who point out how bad it really is. In contrast, the people who read from the Cult Playbook and attack us can *only* attack us. They are limited to Shoot the messenger. As far as I can tell, not one of them is even *capable* of dealing with the actual issues we bring up. What does that say about what TM does to a person's mind when practiced over a lifetime? And Fairfield when I was there and now (I know this because I have friends who still live there) is just like any other town. It has its good, it bad and its mixed. Unfortunately it also has the albatross around its neck of being home to a big ass cult, replete with stalag style quarters with razor wire running across the fences for the pundits, draconian style rules for Dome attendance and all the rest. And isn't it fascinating that the very people who claim that Fairfield is NOT a cult town, and that they are NOT cultists, are incapable of doing anything but acting right out of the Cult Playbook. Given a comparison between the recent $cientology reaction to HBO's upcoming doc Going Clear and Steve and Feste's unrelenting Shoot the messenger attacks on us, I would be willing that there is not a single lurker out there that sees any difference whatsoever between the Co$ cult and the TM cult. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 6:39 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Seventh is correct. He is one of the most level-headed and reasonable of all posters here, and usually what he gets for his trouble is abuse. But that is par for the course for FFL. People no longer post here because of the abusive atmosphere. Seventh explains it well, below. The hostile atmosphere is largely the responsibility of Turquoise B, who cannot carry on a reasonable conversation about anything to do with TM or spirituality. Same for MJ, but MJ does not have Turquoise's level of personal viciousness. Doesn't even come close. My best suggestion for Rick is to close down this forum or at the very least rename it. It has nothing to do with Fairfield. Almost nobody from Fairfield posts here any more. While Fairfield is a joyful, progressive, eclectic, supportive, spiritual community, FFL is a sinkhole of negativity, cynicism, and nastiness. One reason for this is slack to nonexistent moderation. I have no idea what the new name should be, but Fairfield Life has become a complete misnomer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Rick, FYI, there's one guy who runs the show here. He doesn't post, the place goes dead. Very few people like him, but they play off one another, as each serves some interest the other has, but all under the umbrella of TM Bad, and disagreement with this conclusion will get you mocked and labeled a cult apologist. There are some moderate voices, but their participation is somewhat limited in comparison to the prevailing sentiment. The posting totals tell the story. I believe most of Richard's posts go unread, as do mine. If I sound like I'm complaining, I'm not. I really find it rather amusing. Mostly a study of narcissism, I would say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. Has he run amok? Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. Just something I set up. The significant thing is the 175K or so people who watch or listen to the interviews each month. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 7:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. So now it's Rick that is the cause of your tribulations, Barry? My god, man, look at thyself! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :From: salyavin808 no_re
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That *does* sound like a promising idea. Keep him away from people, the internet, and fire extinguishers and I'm sure things will sort themselves out quickly, just as they did for the last person they locked in a basement to cure them. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Tex might not be deranged, it might jist be his vata that's deranged. Le's send him over to Vlodrop where they can lock him in the basement to calm his vata, then he'll be real normal. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:13 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. And you believed him? Has he run amok? His stated aim is to make this place unreadable because he doesn't like what some people say. He's a troll and an obviously mentally deranged on, if not actually autistic. You did him a big favour banning him from posting and a big mistake letting him back in. You should do HIM a favour by banning him again, maybe he can do something useful with his life if he's stopped from wasting his time being ignored by the people that actually LIKE posting here. The irony of Willytex is that he considers himself a big spiritual deal but any casual observer would consider him barking mad. And an unpleasant character to boot. I'm torn between saying should do spirituality a favour by keeping him out of sight or using him as an example that a life devoted to higher pursuits doesn't always lead where you want. Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. Just something I set up. The significant thing is the 175K or so people who watch or listen to the interviews each month. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 7:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. So now it's Rick that is the cause of your tribulations, Barry? My god, man, look at thyself! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise. I certainly agree with the latter statement, and with your assessment of Rick's non-involvement. Interesting, isn't it, that the forum he created to discuss the BATGAP interviews gets ZERO traffic, because it turned out so namby-pamby and insipid that no one stuck around. It's difficult for me to understand how someone
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
Ravi probably implictly claimed that he was enlightened (even though most people on this planet have no clue what it is) Rick acted in good faith. Perhaps he is much wiser man now. Should Ravi's interview still stand? Why did Rick dump it out? If some muck comes out on other interviewees, will Rick dump their interviews as well? Rick should be aware that the TMO dumped out material, when it become uncomfortable for them. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : A typical distortion. Never takes long. Take away Barry's distortions, what have you got? A few clever links now and then. But the distortions? That's his own clever way to draw you into a meaningless discussion. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : As I've said before, Rick believed Ravi Chivukula when he claimed to be enlightened, too. I agree, and not just because he is obsessed with stalking me, and has been for 20 years. Rick made Ravi Chivukula's obvious mental illnesses WORSE by giving him a forum on which to act them out. He is doing the same thing to Willytex. --- salyavin808@... wrote : His stated aim is to make this place unreadable because he doesn't like what some people say. He's a troll and an obviously mentally deranged on, if not actually autistic. You did him a big favour banning him from posting and a big mistake letting him back in.
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A typical distortion. Never takes long. Take away Barry's distortions, what have you got? A few clever links now and then. But the distortions? That's his own clever way to draw you into a meaningless discussion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : As I've said before, Rick believed Ravi Chivukula when he claimed to be enlightened, too.
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Tex might not be deranged, it might jist be his vata that's deranged. Le's send
him over to Vlodrop where they can lock him in the basement to calm his vata,
then he'll be real normal.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:13 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :
I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he
wanted to respond.
And you believed him?
Has he run amok?
His stated aim is to make this place unreadable because he doesn't like what
some people say. He's a troll and an obviously mentally deranged on, if not
actually autistic. You did him a big favour banning him from posting and a big
mistake letting him back in.
You should do HIM a favour by banning him again, maybe he can do something
useful with his life if he's stopped from wasting his time being ignored by the
people that actually LIKE posting here.
The irony of Willytex is that he considers himself a big spiritual deal but any
casual observer would consider him barking mad. And an unpleasant character to
boot. I'm torn between saying should do spirituality a favour by keeping him
out of sight or using him as an example that a life devoted to higher pursuits
doesn't always lead where you want.
Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. Just something I
set up. The significant thing is the 175K or so people who watch or listen to
the interviews each month. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 7:15 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. So now it's Rick that is
the cause of your tribulations, Barry? My god, man, look at thyself!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :From: salyavin808
no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
turquoiseb@... wrote :From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :Negativity or reality?
And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are
they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's
negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something -
I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie
reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really
negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre
that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The
fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve
Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that
they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any
more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder
what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion
one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this,
however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his
previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He
*clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I
understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this
pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick
clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links
to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the
dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is.
It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe
he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open
their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of
them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the
impact of long term meditation practise. I certainly agree with the latter
statement, and with your assessment of Rick's non-involvement. Interesting,
isn't it, that the forum he created to discuss the BATGAP interviews gets ZERO
traffic, because it turned out so namby-pamby and insipid that no one stuck
around.
It's difficult for me to understand how someone like Rick who claims that his
main interest is the enlightened people he interviews CAN'T TELL how insane
Willytex is. Then again, Rick is the one who actually believed that *Ravi* was
enlightened, too. Go figure.
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Relax Steve. None of the discussions here can actualy change reality. If you have disagreements, attack the idea and not the person. For some strange reason you have been complaining about his behaviour for the past one year. I think Judy's posts were giving you guys a high for years. You are addicted to it. Now that Judy and the mean girls are gone, you feel you are missing something? Withdrawal symptoms. Steve, all things pass, all things must end. Get used to it and put yourself into a new groove. Or post more at 'the peak'. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : Barry, you are far too modest. Let your hair down a little and declare to the world the great service you provide as Cult Slayer. Never mind you must distort most opposing points of view to make your point. I would say a more accurate term for what you do are is, Reaction Vampire From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. Has he run amok? Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : The same is obviously true about Fairfield Life, Rick. You don't give a shit. You clearly haven't even bothered to *read* anything that Richard has posted. If you had, you would know what he posts, and why he posts -- to attack me. He's still doing the same things he was doing to Curtis, and that you dumped him for. Same with both Feste and Steve -- I challenge *either* of them to point us to a post they have made in the last six months that was NOT attacking me or Michael. Neither of them have *anything* to say unless it's attacking me. Therefore one can make a case that I do them a service -- if it weren't for me, both of them would be mistaken for rocks. :-)
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From: jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Relax Steve. None of the discussions here can actualy change reality. If you have disagreements, attack the idea and not the person. That's certainly what a non-cultist would do. For some strange reason you have been complaining about his behaviour for the past one year. I think Judy's posts were giving you guys a high for years. You are addicted to it. Now that Judy and the mean girls are gone, you feel you are missing something? Withdrawal symptoms. Steve, all things pass, all things must end. Get used to it and put yourself into a new groove. Or post more at 'the peak'. Good advice. Either would be a more sane approach than another year of trying to act out the same old script from the same old Cult Playbook.
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Barry, you go around like a manic person plastering this label on anyone who disagrees with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jason_green2@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Relax Steve. None of the discussions here can actualy change reality. If you have disagreements, attack the idea and not the person. That's certainly what a non-cultist would do. For some strange reason you have been complaining about his behaviour for the past one year. I think Judy's posts were giving you guys a high for years. You are addicted to it. Now that Judy and the mean girls are gone, you feel you are missing something? Withdrawal symptoms. Steve, all things pass, all things must end. Get used to it and put yourself into a new groove. Or post more at 'the peak'. Good advice. Either would be a more sane approach than another year of trying to act out the same old script from the same old Cult Playbook.
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To be kind, Barry's behavior is completely predictable. Turns out that one's behavior *is* a predictor of how one thinks and feels. Who knew? FFL is Barry's World now, almost exclusively. It's his club. He has a viciously mean personality that no one else here can match. [Look how he treats Rick?! Unbelievable; the man who has considerately provided the space for Barry to expound all these years, day after day after day after day.] Women aren't allowed - they'll be tolerated as long as they *don't* rock Barry's boat and *do* waste their time stroking him. No one who disagrees with, or questions Barry, is tolerated long either - he's the blameless victim on all counts and disagreeing with Barry is tantamount to attacking him. He sets the tone. Everyone falls in line or is summarily dismissed. There will be no conversations here that will be worth subjecting oneself to abuse for - there will be only Barry's *opinion* and those that agree with him. So spiteful over here (to be kind); so much more relaxed over there on the Peak. I do believe this forum should stay in business; it's providing a service. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jason_green2@... wrote : Relax Steve. None of the discussions here can actualy change reality. If you have disagreements, attack the idea and not the person. For some strange reason you have been complaining about his behaviour for the past one year. I think Judy's posts were giving you guys a high for years. You are addicted to it. Now that Judy and the mean girls are gone, you feel you are missing something? Withdrawal symptoms. Steve, all things pass, all things must end. Get used to it and put yourself into a new groove. Or post more at 'the peak'. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : Barry, you are far too modest. Let your hair down a little and declare to the world the great service you provide as Cult Slayer. Never mind you must distort most opposing points of view to make your point. I would say a more accurate term for what you do are is, Reaction Vampire From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. Has he run amok? Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : The same is obviously true about Fairfield Life, Rick. You don't give a shit. You clearly haven't even bothered to *read* anything that Richard has posted. If you had, you would know what he posts, and why he posts -- to attack me. He's still doing the same things he was doing to Curtis, and that you dumped him for. Same with both Feste and Steve -- I challenge *either* of them to point us to a post they have made in the last six months that was NOT attacking me or Michael. Neither of them have *anything* to say unless it's attacking me. Therefore one can make a case that I do them a service -- if it weren't for me, both of them would be mistaken for rocks. :-)
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Jason, I guess you realize that you are proving my point. Yes, Rick acts in good faith, Whether he believes someone is enlightened is immaterial to the discussion. It is a distortion by Barry, evidently accepted by you. Rick's interviews are from people who are on some stage of the spiritual path, and are represented as such, and have a predisposition to talk about it. Ravi requested that his interview be removed. Is that really a problem? Maybe he was involved in a custody battle, or maybe he wanted a lower profile on social media. For you to make that into something more than it is, is a tad dishonest, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jason_green2@... wrote : Ravi probably implictly claimed that he was enlightened (even though most people on this planet have no clue what it is) Rick acted in good faith. Perhaps he is much wiser man now. Should Ravi's interview still stand? Why did Rick dump it out? If some muck comes out on other interviewees, will Rick dump their interviews as well? Rick should be aware that the TMO dumped out material, when it become uncomfortable for them. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : A typical distortion. Never takes long. Take away Barry's distortions, what have you got? A few clever links now and then. But the distortions? That's his own clever way to draw you into a meaningless discussion. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : As I've said before, Rick believed Ravi Chivukula when he claimed to be enlightened, too. I agree, and not just because he is obsessed with stalking me, and has been for 20 years. Rick made Ravi Chivukula's obvious mental illnesses WORSE by giving him a forum on which to act them out. He is doing the same thing to Willytex. --- salyavin808@... wrote : His stated aim is to make this place unreadable because he doesn't like what some people say. He's a troll and an obviously mentally deranged on, if not actually autistic. You did him a big favour banning him from posting and a big mistake letting him back in.
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Thanks for your advice Jason. I'm sorry if you don't care for the content of my posts. And again, you have a knack for proving the points I am trying to make. I get it that individuals here find fault in the TM Organization. I find plenty of faults myself. But for those who have made a career of it, try to stay on course with the criticisms, instead of distorting what others say. Do you really think I am under the impression that my input is going to change any minds? I am just a participant like anyone else here. In my case, if I see something that looks like a distortion, I will oftentimes speak up. Just as you are doing now, with me. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jason_green2@... wrote : Relax Steve. None of the discussions here can actualy change reality. If you have disagreements, attack the idea and not the person. For some strange reason you have been complaining about his behaviour for the past one year. I think Judy's posts were giving you guys a high for years. You are addicted to it. Now that Judy and the mean girls are gone, you feel you are missing something? Withdrawal symptoms. Steve, all things pass, all things must end. Get used to it and put yourself into a new groove. Or post more at 'the peak'. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : Barry, you are far too modest. Let your hair down a little and declare to the world the great service you provide as Cult Slayer. Never mind you must distort most opposing points of view to make your point. I would say a more accurate term for what you do are is, Reaction Vampire From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. Has he run amok? Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : The same is obviously true about Fairfield Life, Rick. You don't give a shit. You clearly haven't even bothered to *read* anything that Richard has posted. If you had, you would know what he posts, and why he posts -- to attack me. He's still doing the same things he was doing to Curtis, and that you dumped him for. Same with both Feste and Steve -- I challenge *either* of them to point us to a post they have made in the last six months that was NOT attacking me or Michael. Neither of them have *anything* to say unless it's attacking me. Therefore one can make a case that I do them a service -- if it weren't for me, both of them would be mistaken for rocks. :-)
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Rick wants to know if you are talking abut me or about Barry - we are both from Texas. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Tex might not be deranged, it might jist be his vata that's deranged. Le's send him over to Vlodrop where they can lock him in the basement to calm his vata, then he'll be real normal. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:13 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. And you believed him? Has he run amok? His stated aim is to make this place unreadable because he doesn't like what some people say. He's a troll and an obviously mentally deranged on, if not actually autistic. You did him a big favour banning him from posting and a big mistake letting him back in. You should do HIM a favour by banning him again, maybe he can do something useful with his life if he's stopped from wasting his time being ignored by the people that actually LIKE posting here. The irony of Willytex is that he considers himself a big spiritual deal but any casual observer would consider him barking mad. And an unpleasant character to boot. I'm torn between saying should do spirituality a favour by keeping him out of sight or using him as an example that a life devoted to higher pursuits doesn't always lead where you want. Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. Just something I set up. The significant thing is the 175K or so people who watch or listen to the interviews each month. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 7:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. So now it's Rick that is the cause of your tribulations, Barry? My god, man, look at thyself! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise. I certainly agree with the latter statement, and with your assessment of Rick's non-involvement. Interesting, isn't it, that the forum he created to discuss the BATGAP interviews gets ZERO traffic, because it turned out so namby-pamby and insipid that no one stuck around. It's difficult for me to understand how someone
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You must be talking about me - is it something I said? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : And you believed him? Has he run amok? His stated aim is to make this place unreadable because he doesn't like what some people say. He's a troll and an obviously mentally deranged on, if not actually autistic. You did him a big favour banning him from posting and a big mistake letting him back in. You should do HIM a favour by banning him again, maybe he can do something useful with his life if he's stopped from wasting his time being ignored by the people that actually LIKE posting here. The irony of Willytex is that he considers himself a big spiritual deal but any casual observer would consider him barking mad. And an unpleasant character to boot. I'm torn between saying should do spirituality a favour by keeping him out of sight or using him as an example that a life devoted to higher pursuits doesn't always lead where you want. Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. Just something I set up. The significant thing is the 175K or so people who watch or listen to the interviews each month. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 7:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. So now it's Rick that is the cause of your tribulations, Barry? My god, man, look at thyself! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise. I certainly agree with the latter statement, and with your assessment of Rick's non-involvement. Interesting, isn't it, that the forum he created to discuss the BATGAP interviews gets ZERO traffic, because it turned out so namby-pamby and insipid that no one stuck around. It's difficult for me to understand how someone like Rick who claims that his main interest is the enlightened people he interviews CAN'T TELL how insane Willytex is. Then again, Rick is the one who actually believed that *Ravi* was enlightened, too. Go figure.
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xen, since you've asked, let's cut to the chase. let's take today's distortion, (imo), Do you think Rick believed Ravi's alleged claim that he was/is enlightened? Or is this a distortion on Barry's part of what Rick believes? Or is it, perhaps, some kind of bait for either for Rick, or possibly, Ravi to respond? What do you think? I pray you won't go silent on me, as you are wont to do on occasion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : As I've said before, Rick believed Ravi Chivukula when he claimed to be enlightened, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Because our minds interpret what others say — they do not have direct access — it almost always comes across as a distortion, particularly if the participants have differing views of a subject. I think I am almost astonished at how wide that divergence is. Investigating the idea rather than the person is what keeps one on track, though at times that is rather difficult to do. I think it may depend on how much attachment a person has to a particular idea being 'right'. It is often difficult to tell if a person has deliberately misrepresented an idea or just does not understand it, or refuses to understand it. I seem to be in a conversation with jr-esq about good and evil, and while I have a sense of those terms, I find it difficult to think of them as real categories. I categorise experience as pleasant and unpleasant, safe or dangerous in relation to my own well being and those of others, not as good and evil or right and wrong which seem to me to be more a function of geography and cultural upbringing than any sort of reality. While it is easy to find fault with the TMO, the underlying issues seems to be related to the way people differ in how they regard the relationship of thought to reality. There are experiences and experience and there are words about those experiences, the words are not the experiences, but often seem to be mistaken for them. And most words we use are abstractions, combinations of words related to each other and not to an original experience or fact. The words, their meanings to us, and their relationships with each other become a separate, private reality disconnected from any wider connexion with the world. Cult thinking is just this disconnect become a fixed habit in regard to certain specific ideas related to a particular group of people. If it is just a particular individual that is trapped in this sort of private verbal world, then you might call it an obsession the person has. From a logical viewpoint though, whether a person is obsessed or in the grip of groupthink, each idea can stand independently of how you regard the person who stated them personally. What do you think is the most significant distortion you have come across on Fairfield Life? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your advice Jason. I'm sorry if you don't care for the content of my posts. And again, you have a knack for proving the points I am trying to make. I get it that individuals here find fault in the TM Organization. I find plenty of faults myself. But for those who have made a career of it, try to stay on course with the criticisms, instead of distorting what others say. Do you really think I am under the impression that my input is going to change any minds? I am just a participant like anyone else here. In my case, if I see something that looks like a distortion, I will oftentimes speak up. Just as you are doing now, with me. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jason_green2@... wrote : Relax Steve. None of the discussions here can actualy change reality. If you have disagreements, attack the idea and not the person. For some strange reason you have been complaining about his behaviour for the past one year. I think Judy's posts were giving you guys a high for years. You are addicted to it. Now that Judy and the mean girls are gone, you feel you are missing something? Withdrawal symptoms. Steve, all things pass, all things must end. Get used to it and put yourself into a new groove. Or post more at 'the peak'. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : Barry, you are far too modest. Let your hair down a little and declare to the world the great service you provide as Cult Slayer. Never mind you must distort most opposing points of view to make your point. I would say a more accurate term for what you do are is, Reaction Vampire From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. Has he run amok? Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : The same is obviously true about Fairfield Life, Rick. You don't give a shit.
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Because our minds interpret what others say — they do not have direct access — it almost always comes across as a distortion, particularly if the participants have differing views of a subject. I think I am almost astonished at how wide that divergence is. Investigating the idea rather than the person is what keeps one on track, though at times that is rather difficult to do. I think it may depend on how much attachment a person has to a particular idea being 'right'. It is often difficult to tell if a person has deliberately misrepresented an idea or just does not understand it, or refuses to understand it. I seem to be in a conversation with jr-esq about good and evil, and while I have a sense of those terms, I find it difficult to think of them as real categories. I categorise experience as pleasant and unpleasant, safe or dangerous in relation to my own well being and those of others, not as good and evil or right and wrong which seem to me to be more a function of geography and cultural upbringing than any sort of reality. While it is easy to find fault with the TMO, the underlying issues seems to be related to the way people differ in how they regard the relationship of thought to reality. There are experiences and experience and there are words about those experiences, the words are not the experiences, but often seem to be mistaken for them. And most words we use are abstractions, combinations of words related to each other and not to an original experience or fact. The words, their meanings to us, and their relationships with each other become a separate, private reality disconnected from any wider connexion with the world. Cult thinking is just this disconnect become a fixed habit in regard to certain specific ideas related to a particular group of people. If it is just a particular individual that is trapped in this sort of private verbal world, then you might call it an obsession the person has. From a logical viewpoint though, whether a person is obsessed or in the grip of groupthink, each idea can stand independently of how you regard the person who stated them personally. What do you think is the most significant distortion you have come across on Fairfield Life? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your advice Jason. I'm sorry if you don't care for the content of my posts. And again, you have a knack for proving the points I am trying to make. I get it that individuals here find fault in the TM Organization. I find plenty of faults myself. But for those who have made a career of it, try to stay on course with the criticisms, instead of distorting what others say. Do you really think I am under the impression that my input is going to change any minds? I am just a participant like anyone else here. In my case, if I see something that looks like a distortion, I will oftentimes speak up. Just as you are doing now, with me. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jason_green2@... wrote : Relax Steve. None of the discussions here can actualy change reality. If you have disagreements, attack the idea and not the person. For some strange reason you have been complaining about his behaviour for the past one year. I think Judy's posts were giving you guys a high for years. You are addicted to it. Now that Judy and the mean girls are gone, you feel you are missing something? Withdrawal symptoms. Steve, all things pass, all things must end. Get used to it and put yourself into a new groove. Or post more at 'the peak'. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : Barry, you are far too modest. Let your hair down a little and declare to the world the great service you provide as Cult Slayer. Never mind you must distort most opposing points of view to make your point. I would say a more accurate term for what you do are is, Reaction Vampire From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. Has he run amok? Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : The same is obviously true about Fairfield Life, Rick. You don't give a shit. You clearly haven't even bothered to *read* anything that Richard has posted. If you had, you would know what he posts, and why he posts -- to attack me. He's still doing the same things he was doing to Curtis, and that you dumped him for. Same with both Feste and Steve -- I challenge *either* of them to point us to a post they have made in the last six months that was NOT attacking me or Michael. Neither of them have *anything* to say unless it's attacking me. Therefore one can make a case that I do them a service -- if it weren't for me, both of them would be mistaken for rocks. :-)
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Barry, you are far too modest. Let your hair down a little and declare to the world the great service you provide as Cult Slayer. Never mind you must distort most opposing points of view to make your point. I would say a more accurate term for what you do are is, Reaction Vampire ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: 'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. Has he run amok? Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. The same is obviously true about Fairfield Life, Rick. You don't give a shit. You clearly haven't even bothered to *read* anything that Richard has posted. If you had, you would know what he posts, and why he posts -- to attack me. He's still doing the same things he was doing to Curtis, and that you dumped him for. Same with both Feste and Steve -- I challenge *either* of them to point us to a post they have made in the last six months that was NOT attacking me or Michael. Neither of them have *anything* to say unless it's attacking me. Therefore one can make a case that I do them a service -- if it weren't for me, both of them would be mistaken for rocks. :-)
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : xen, since you've asked, let's cut to the chase. let's take today's distortion, (imo), Do you think Rick believed Ravi's alleged claim that he was/is enlightened? I would not know what Rick believed. I tried to watch the Ravi video some time ago and it had been taken down. Or is this a distortion on Barry's part of what Rick believes? As I do not know what Rick thought, I could not know if what Barry said was a distortion. Or is it, perhaps, some kind of bait for either for Rick, or possibly, Ravi to respond? What do you think? Rick rarely responds on FFL, and does not seem particularly interested in what happens here, and Ravi has not been here for some time. I thought Ravi was a bit nuts, although on occasion he seemed sane enough. As for a conclusion whether Ravi was enlightened, I would not come to that conclusion based on the evidence I have seen, but I have not seen all that others have. I pray you won't go silent on me, as you are wont to do on occasion. I simply do not have the information to make even a barely educated guess. With regard to Richard's posts, they largely seem unconnected to what goes on here, almost as if a computer takes a few keywords from posts and then generates or copies content to make it seem as if they are a response to something. I almost always skip over them (and when using email, those posts are automatically put in the trash). This is the only poster whose posts I think are a total waste of time. Because Rick probably does not read the posts here much, if at all, he would not know this (and if he does, then there is probably just a wry smile that says 'deal with it'). Perception is a filter, there is always a distortion and an incompleteness in the way the data is manipulated by our sensory apparatus, processing, and by the mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : As I've said before, Rick believed Ravi Chivukula when he claimed to be enlightened, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Because our minds interpret what others say — they do not have direct access — it almost always comes across as a distortion, particularly if the participants have differing views of a subject. I think I am almost astonished at how wide that divergence is. Investigating the idea rather than the person is what keeps one on track, though at times that is rather difficult to do. I think it may depend on how much attachment a person has to a particular idea being 'right'. It is often difficult to tell if a person has deliberately misrepresented an idea or just does not understand it, or refuses to understand it. I seem to be in a conversation with jr-esq about good and evil, and while I have a sense of those terms, I find it difficult to think of them as real categories. I categorise experience as pleasant and unpleasant, safe or dangerous in relation to my own well being and those of others, not as good and evil or right and wrong which seem to me to be more a function of geography and cultural upbringing than any sort of reality. While it is easy to find fault with the TMO, the underlying issues seems to be related to the way people differ in how they regard the relationship of thought to reality. There are experiences and experience and there are words about those experiences, the words are not the experiences, but often seem to be mistaken for them. And most words we use are abstractions, combinations of words related to each other and not to an original experience or fact. The words, their meanings to us, and their relationships with each other become a separate, private reality disconnected from any wider connexion with the world. Cult thinking is just this disconnect become a fixed habit in regard to certain specific ideas related to a particular group of people. If it is just a particular individual that is trapped in this sort of private verbal world, then you might call it an obsession the person has. From a logical viewpoint though, whether a person is obsessed or in the grip of groupthink, each idea can stand independently of how you regard the person who stated them personally. What do you think is the most significant distortion you have come across on Fairfield Life? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your advice Jason. I'm sorry if you don't care for the content of my posts. And again, you have a knack for proving the points I am trying to make. I get it that individuals here find fault in the TM Organization. I find plenty of faults myself. But for those who have made a career of it, try to stay on course with the criticisms, instead of distorting what others say. Do you really think I am under the impression that my input is going to change any minds? I am
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I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. Has he run amok? Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. Just something I set up. The significant thing is the 175K or so people who watch or listen to the interviews each month. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 7:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. So now it's Rick that is the cause of your tribulations, Barry? My god, man, look at thyself! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise. I certainly agree with the latter statement, and with your assessment of Rick's non-involvement. Interesting, isn't it, that the forum he created to discuss the BATGAP interviews gets ZERO traffic, because it turned out so namby-pamby and insipid that no one stuck around. It's difficult for me to understand how someone like Rick who claims that his main interest is the enlightened people he interviews CAN'T TELL how insane Willytex is. Then again, Rick is the one who actually believed that *Ravi* was enlightened, too. Go figure.
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Seventh is correct. He is one of the most level-headed and reasonable of all posters here, and usually what he gets for his trouble is abuse. But that is par for the course for FFL. People no longer post here because of the abusive atmosphere. Seventh explains it well, below. The hostile atmosphere is largely the responsibility of Turquoise B, who cannot carry on a reasonable conversation about anything to do with TM or spirituality. Same for MJ, but MJ does not have Turquoise's level of personal viciousness. Doesn't even come close. My best suggestion for Rick is to close down this forum or at the very least rename it. It has nothing to do with Fairfield. Almost nobody from Fairfield posts here any more. While Fairfield is a joyful, progressive, eclectic, supportive, spiritual community, FFL is a sinkhole of negativity, cynicism, and nastiness. One reason for this is slack to nonexistent moderation. I have no idea what the new name should be, but Fairfield Life has become a complete misnomer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Rick, FYI, there's one guy who runs the show here. He doesn't post, the place goes dead. Very few people like him, but they play off one another, as each serves some interest the other has, but all under the umbrella of TM Bad, and disagreement with this conclusion will get you mocked and labeled a cult apologist. There are some moderate voices, but their participation is somewhat limited in comparison to the prevailing sentiment. The posting totals tell the story. I believe most of Richard's posts go unread, as do mine. If I sound like I'm complaining, I'm not. I really find it rather amusing. Mostly a study of narcissism, I would say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. Has he run amok? Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. Just something I set up. The significant thing is the 175K or so people who watch or listen to the interviews each month. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 7:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. So now it's Rick that is the cause of your tribulations, Barry? My god, man, look at thyself! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term
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Rick, FYI, there's one guy who runs the show here. He doesn't post, the place goes dead. Very few people like him, but they play off one another, as each serves some interest the other has, but all under the umbrella of TM Bad, and disagreement with this conclusion will get you mocked and labeled a cult apologist. There are some moderate voices, but their participation is somewhat limited in comparison to the prevailing sentiment. The posting totals tell the story. I believe most of Richard's posts go unread, as do mine. If I sound like I'm complaining, I'm not. I really find it rather amusing. Mostly a study of narcissism, I would say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. Has he run amok? Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. Just something I set up. The significant thing is the 175K or so people who watch or listen to the interviews each month. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 7:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. So now it's Rick that is the cause of your tribulations, Barry? My god, man, look at thyself! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise. I certainly agree with the latter statement, and with your assessment of Rick's non-involvement. Interesting, isn't it, that the forum he created to discuss the BATGAP interviews gets ZERO traffic, because it turned out so namby-pamby and insipid that no one stuck around. It's difficult for me to understand how someone like Rick who claims that his main interest is the enlightened people he interviews CAN'T TELL how insane Willytex is. Then again, Rick is the one who actually believed that *Ravi* was enlightened, too. Go figure.
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It looks to me like they are attacking me, Rick. Go figure. Thanks for posting the the Batgap videos. Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here. Moderator! Texan Attack! Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderator! Texan Attack! http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg342009.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg342009.html Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderator! Texan Attack! http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg342009.html Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existenc... View on www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg342009.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. Has he run amok? Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. Just something I set up. The significant thing is the 175K or so people who watch or listen to the interviews each month. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 7:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. So now it's Rick that is the cause of your tribulations, Barry? My god, man, look at thyself! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise. I certainly agree with the latter statement, and with your assessment of Rick's non-involvement. Interesting, isn't it, that the forum he created to discuss the BATGAP interviews gets ZERO traffic, because it turned out so namby-pamby and insipid that no one stuck around. It's difficult for me to understand how someone like Rick who claims that his main interest is the enlightened people he interviews CAN'T TELL how insane Willytex is. Then again, Rick is the one who actually believed that *Ravi* was enlightened, too. Go figure.
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Come on now Feste, be reasonable and be honest. All the things you lay at my and Barry's door, (plus Curtis, Sal etc) could equally be applied to those who post what you call abuse towards all of us who don't care for TM, Marshy and the Movement. Evidently you think abuse is ok as long as it is aimed at those who don't like what you like. It is a balanced scale on both sides I think. And Fairfield when I was there and now (I know this because I have friends who still live there) is just like any other town. It has its good, it bad and its mixed. Unfortunately it also has the albatross around its neck of being home to a big ass cult, replete with stalag style quarters with razor wire running across the fences for the pundits, draconian style rules for Dome attendance and all the rest. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 6:39 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Seventh is correct. He is one of the most level-headed and reasonable of all posters here, and usually what he gets for his trouble is abuse. But that is par for the course for FFL. People no longer post here because of the abusive atmosphere. Seventh explains it well, below. The hostile atmosphere is largely the responsibility of Turquoise B, who cannot carry on a reasonable conversation about anything to do with TM or spirituality. Same for MJ, but MJ does not have Turquoise's level of personal viciousness. Doesn't even come close. My best suggestion for Rick is to close down this forum or at the very least rename it. It has nothing to do with Fairfield. Almost nobody from Fairfield posts here any more. While Fairfield is a joyful, progressive, eclectic, supportive, spiritual community, FFL is a sinkhole of negativity, cynicism, and nastiness. One reason for this is slack to nonexistent moderation. I have no idea what the new name should be, but Fairfield Life has become a complete misnomer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Rick, FYI, there's one guy who runs the show here. He doesn't post, the place goes dead. Very few people like him, but they play off one another, as each serves some interest the other has, but all under the umbrella of TM Bad, and disagreement with this conclusion will get you mocked and labeled a cult apologist. There are some moderate voices, but their participation is somewhat limited in comparison to the prevailing sentiment. The posting totals tell the story. I believe most of Richard's posts go unread, as do mine. If I sound like I'm complaining, I'm not. I really find it rather amusing. Mostly a study of narcissism, I would say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. Has he run amok? Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. Just something I set up. The significant thing is the 175K or so people who watch or listen to the interviews each month. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 7:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. So now it's Rick that is the cause of your tribulations, Barry? My god, man, look at thyself! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what
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The problem is mostly Turquoise B. I actually don't dislike you at all, MJ, and yes, you do have some connection with Fairfield, albeit a long time ago. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Come on now Feste, be reasonable and be honest. All the things you lay at my and Barry's door, (plus Curtis, Sal etc) could equally be applied to those who post what you call abuse towards all of us who don't care for TM, Marshy and the Movement. Evidently you think abuse is ok as long as it is aimed at those who don't like what you like. It is a balanced scale on both sides I think. And Fairfield when I was there and now (I know this because I have friends who still live there) is just like any other town. It has its good, it bad and its mixed. Unfortunately it also has the albatross around its neck of being home to a big ass cult, replete with stalag style quarters with razor wire running across the fences for the pundits, draconian style rules for Dome attendance and all the rest. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 6:39 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Seventh is correct. He is one of the most level-headed and reasonable of all posters here, and usually what he gets for his trouble is abuse. But that is par for the course for FFL. People no longer post here because of the abusive atmosphere. Seventh explains it well, below. The hostile atmosphere is largely the responsibility of Turquoise B, who cannot carry on a reasonable conversation about anything to do with TM or spirituality. Same for MJ, but MJ does not have Turquoise's level of personal viciousness. Doesn't even come close. My best suggestion for Rick is to close down this forum or at the very least rename it. It has nothing to do with Fairfield. Almost nobody from Fairfield posts here any more. While Fairfield is a joyful, progressive, eclectic, supportive, spiritual community, FFL is a sinkhole of negativity, cynicism, and nastiness. One reason for this is slack to nonexistent moderation. I have no idea what the new name should be, but Fairfield Life has become a complete misnomer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Rick, FYI, there's one guy who runs the show here. He doesn't post, the place goes dead. Very few people like him, but they play off one another, as each serves some interest the other has, but all under the umbrella of TM Bad, and disagreement with this conclusion will get you mocked and labeled a cult apologist. There are some moderate voices, but their participation is somewhat limited in comparison to the prevailing sentiment. The posting totals tell the story. I believe most of Richard's posts go unread, as do mine. If I sound like I'm complaining, I'm not. I really find it rather amusing. Mostly a study of narcissism, I would say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I let Richard back in because he said people were talking about him and he wanted to respond. Has he run amok? Batgap Yahoo group has never been of much importance to me. Just something I set up. The significant thing is the 175K or so people who watch or listen to the interviews each month. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 7:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. So now it's Rick that is the cause of your tribulations, Barry? My god, man, look at thyself! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any
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Anonymous posts don't have an X-Originating header. They have an X-Yahoo-Post-EncIP:header, which is probably the originating IP address in encrypted form, such that Yahoo could produce the originating IP if legally compelled to do so. Here is ak_ak's header: Return-Path: no_re...@yahoogroups.com X-Apparently-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29991 invoked by uid 102); 17 Mar 2015 22:41:14 - X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2015 22:41:14 - X-Received: (qmail 20358 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2015 22:41:14 - X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.170.167) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2015 22:41:14 - X-Received: from [66.196.81.178] by n2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2015 22:41:14 - X-Received: from [10.193.75.127] by t8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2015 22:41:14 - Date: 17 Mar 2015 15:41:14 -0700 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gapi5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2015 22:41:14 - To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: meaaia+147q...@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 References: me91er+vb...@yahoogroups.com 834839579.442659.1426591525130.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com mea8fs+147e...@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: mea8fs+147e...@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=9nlWnTS9ocNmxdhsK3FKVLWiM6a5jwOaA8HvrLV Reply-To: no_re...@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Post-EncIP: vHSxQG9-41yVGDwvNnmRbUWL2yLsgdxpYRTaeAxdvoxydfWXcQ Subject: Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=567158126; y=4G9Oe1ptG3WYv8tx1UQQlH9iK-bRz2FU6Dv3pg6so01gDiotW0iSTA; email=no X-Yahoo-Profile: ak_ak_0828 From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote : 98.136.x.x are the Yahoo IPs so you can ignore those. The X-Originating-IP field would contain the IP address if it's there and probably only when sent via email. On 03/18/2015 09:21 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com mailto:anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. Hmmm, I've done it before successfully. Even found my own local server. Maybe I'm wrong about this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
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Yes, was going to mention that but then we were already way deep into header code for the majority here. Plus I wanted to verify that other no_reply post had that encrypted field but didn't have time. On 03/18/2015 11:59 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Anonymous posts don't have an X-Originating header. They have an X-Yahoo-Post-EncIP: header, which is probably the originating IP address in encrypted form, such that Yahoo could produce the originating IP if legally compelled to do so. Here is ak_ak's header: Return-Path: no_re...@yahoogroups.com X-Apparently-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29991 invoked by uid 102); 17 Mar 2015 22:41:14 - X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2015 22:41:14 - X-Received: (qmail 20358 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2015 22:41:14 - X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.170.167) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2015 22:41:14 - X-Received: from [66.196.81.178] by n2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2015 22:41:14 - X-Received: from [10.193.75.127] by t8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2015 22:41:14 - Date: 17 Mar 2015 15:41:14 -0700 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gapi5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2015 22:41:14 - To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: meaaia+147q...@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 References: me91er+vb...@yahoogroups.com 834839579.442659.1426591525130.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com mea8fs+147e...@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: mea8fs+147e...@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=9nlWnTS9ocNmxdhsK3FKVLWiM6a5jwOaA8HvrLV Reply-To: no_re...@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Post-EncIP: vHSxQG9-41yVGDwvNnmRbUWL2yLsgdxpYRTaeAxdvoxydfWXcQ Subject: Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=567158126; y=4G9Oe1ptG3WYv8tx1UQQlH9iK-bRz2FU6Dv3pg6so01gDiotW0iSTA; email=no X-Yahoo-Profile: ak_ak_0828 From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote : 98.136.x.x are the Yahoo IPs so you can ignore those. The X-Originating-IP field would contain the IP address if it's there and probably only when sent via email. On 03/18/2015 09:21 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com mailto:anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. Hmmm, I've done it before successfully. Even found my own local server. Maybe I'm wrong about this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what'swrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad.
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I've chatted with him and have one of his books. They are fairly well written. That was at an ayurvedic conference held at UC Berkeley in the spring of 2002. Interesting thing about that conference was I was standing out in the hallway when a session finished and there was this woman with a group following her to the expo hall for book signing. I didn't know who it was at the time but it was Naomi Campbell who is appearing these days on the FOX series Empire. On 03/17/2015 12:41 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: what do you think of the Thomas Ashley Farrand books? *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:47 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Meditation isn't forever. At some point that third eye *is* open and will remain open regardless of whether you meditate or not. IOW, you're there. In that state I call it pure consciousness on demand. Last week I recommended Swami Radha's book Mantras Words of Power. She was a German woman who studied with a Swami Sivananda. Even Sivananda's books went into different methods of meditation. Ever wonder why it was okay for kids to use a walking mantra but not recommended for adults? Of course you can meditate with eyes open. And I frequently write about what I call adjunct mantras, particularly the ones for ayurveda. These can be used in additional to whatever practice you do be it TM or otherwise though maybe they'll throw you out of the domes if you let them know you use them. The ayurvedic mantras are very standard but not taught by MAPI (that I know of). If you've developed a degree of silence then you can evaluate mantras yourself. They're very useful to correct an imbalance. Of you might need to know a bit about ayurveda first. Point is a lot of this stuff, which Swami Radha points out, is for beginners. My tantra guru said the same thing. The main purpose of asanas is to develop the ability to sit in a half lotus pose for a long time. After a while the pose doesn't even matter. Why would I want to date at my age? I don't even have the karma for relationships. Any attempt gets thwarted mysteriously. My life's complicated enough right now to deal with such things. I'm cleaning house so I can put it on the market and get my equity and capital gains out of it. I don't need a 4 bedroom house. I want to downsize things. I also watch stuff on my TV a little differently than some folks because of working in the entertainment industry. For instance, I am monitoring the CSI Cyber show to see what they are presenting to their audience. It's very cartoonish and that's why the acting is stilted. Similarly l like to watch very low budget found footage movies to see what young folks are up to with the medium. Some of it's very entertaining and good story telling. I hang around the house because what work I do have is done at home. That's why I liked to go out to places like Starbucks to hang out and chat with locals. But folks aren't going there anymore nor even the locally owned shops. The economy is crashing down despite the lies the government gives you. On 03/17/2015 11:19 AM, rich...@rwilliams.us mailto:rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife] wrote: The point is that you and the other Barry seem to spend way too much time hanging around the house watching a boob tube and apparently you can't get a date, yet both of you are making tantric yogi status claims. Face it, niether of you seem to practicing any yoga poses or even meditating on your third eye. Of course there's nothing wrong with watching TV and movies on Saturday night. It's just that tantric yogis aren't supposed to be laying around in bed watching TV or movies by themselves - they are supposed to be practicing tantric yoga and meditation like normal spiritual householders with their family. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : You have a family and kids if I'm not mistaken? Your lifestyle then differs a bit from many of us here. Also we don't watch TV per se. Most of us are watching shows and movies at our convenience via streaming. It's a bit of a different world. Some of us work at computers all day and for me to watch a few things on a big screen TV in the evening is better on my eyes than reading a book. It may seem to some that TV is more important than it really is to us. My social lifestyle has been in a state of flux. Some of the folks I used to hang out with at Starbucks can no longer afford it and neither can I. I can tell that Starbucks is feeling the pinch due to the promos and what things they change about
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We should probably make a distinction between mantras and bija mantras. The former are the Sanskrit phrases used in the Hindu scriptures to address the demi-gods - the deified heroes of mythology; and the gods mentioned in the Vedas - the forces of nature. In contrast, bija mantras are esoteric sounds used in tantric yoga, given out in an initiation. In Buddhism and Hinduism, the Sanskrit term bija literally means seed, and is used as a mnemonic tool or a metaphor that is cognate with bindu. In Vajrayana, the term bija is used for mystical seed syllables. These seeds do not have precise meanings. The bijas are not the names of the Hindu Gods of the Vedas, such as Vishnu or Indra. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : That article is quoting from David Frawley's book which a lot of similar articles do. The three basic mantras I mentioned are also mentioned in a number of ayurvedic books and articles but here is one that breaks it out: http://www.care2.com/greenliving/the-right-mantra-for-your-type.html http://www.care2.com/greenliving/the-right-mantra-for-your-type.html The Ayurvedic Institute is a good resource and many of these people learned ayurveda there. https://www.ayurveda.com/ https://www.ayurveda.com/ Here's a link which has the base ingredients for vata, pitta and kapha teas at the bottom: https://www.ayurveda.com/online_resource/kitchari_recipe.html https://www.ayurveda.com/online_resource/kitchari_recipe.html I've been told that Maharishi first contacted Dr. Lad when he wanted an ayurvedic program but Lad turned him down. Lad has all kinds of kitchen cabinet remedies online and in his books. On 03/17/2015 12:46 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Naa, not from MAPI - I was just curious after your post and looked around and found this: Ayurveda And Mantras For Increasing Mind Power And Balancing Your Doshas | Ayurvedic Wellness Lifestyle Ayurveda And Mantras For Increasing Mind Power And B... Mantras have strong morphic fields and have been used by doctors, sages and saints for thousands of years to treat many specific conditions of the mind - you can al... View on planetwell.com Preview by Yahoo From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Did you find this on the MAPI site? Actually for vata Ram is most commonly used. But as noted for pitta shreem (or shring) is recommended and hoom for kapha. Having problems sleeping? You can repeat either the vata mantra or pitta one depending on which imbalance is causing the sleeplessness. Of course the kapha mantra will just make you more alert and is good for clearing a foggy morning mind. You can use these whenever you are noticing an imbalance but first you need to learn how to recognize imbalances which is not hard. On 03/17/2015 11:54 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is important to use mantras as part of your daily practice with yoga and Ayurveda. Choose a quite clean place at home. Take five minutes in the morning to chant your specific mantra for your dosha or one prescribed by an Ayurvedic practitioner or spiritual teacher. Giveyour mantra an intent or meaning and then let it resonate within. Vatadosha can chant the following: Hrim(pronounced hreem), Srim (pronounced shreem) , Klim (pronounced kleem), Saum (pronounced sa aum) Soft mantras are best for vata dosha. Pitta dosha can chant the following: Srim(pronounced shreem), Klim (pronounced kleem), Aim (pronounced aym), Saum (pronounced sa aum) Cooling and soft mantras are the best for pitta dosha. Kapha dosha can chant the following: Krim (pronounced kreem), Hum (pronounced hoom), Hrim (pronounced hreem), Dum (pronounced doom), Hsauh (pronounced hau sau) Warmand stimulating mantras are the best for kapha dosha. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Meditation isn't forever. At some point that third eye is open and will remain open regardless of whether you meditate or not. IOW, you're there. In that state I call it pure consciousness on demand. Last week I recommended Swami Radha's book Mantras Words of Power. She was a German woman who studied with a Swami Sivananda. Even Sivananda's books went into different methods of meditation. Ever wonder why it was okay for kids to use a walking mantra
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to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) TM never does any harm. Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It certainly wasn't mine. For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which several dozen people were placed in special twitching groups and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
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For some reason, you just don't seem to be able to get on a program. In TM you get only one single bija mantra - that's all you need in order to provide the ideal opportunity for transcending. But, look, if you failed to reach enlightenment in 5-7 years, you are probably not going to get enlightened in this lifetime - you're only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get. My advice to you would be to practice karma yoga and leave the intellectual stuff to the pundits. In karma yoga all you have to do is your duty - to provide for your family and to do as little harm as you can. Just dedicate all your actions to the benefit of all, and do not cling to the fruit of your actions. Stop seeking and just get on a program and be free. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Naa, not from MAPI - I was just curious after your post and looked around and found this: Ayurveda And Mantras For Increasing Mind Power And Balancing Your Doshas | Ayurvedic Wellness Lifestyle http://planetwell.com/ayurveda-and-mantras-for-increasing-mind-power-and-balancing-your-doshas/ http://planetwell.com/ayurveda-and-mantras-for-increasing-mind-power-and-balancing-your-doshas/ Ayurveda And Mantras For Increasing Mind Power And B... http://planetwell.com/ayurveda-and-mantras-for-increasing-mind-power-and-balancing-your-doshas/ Mantras have strong morphic fields and have been used by doctors, sages and saints for thousands of years to treat many specific conditions of the mind - you can al... View on planetwell.com http://planetwell.com/ayurveda-and-mantras-for-increasing-mind-power-and-balancing-your-doshas/ Preview by Yahoo From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Did you find this on the MAPI site? Actually for vata Ram is most commonly used. But as noted for pitta shreem (or shring) is recommended and hoom for kapha. Having problems sleeping? You can repeat either the vata mantra or pitta one depending on which imbalance is causing the sleeplessness. Of course the kapha mantra will just make you more alert and is good for clearing a foggy morning mind. You can use these whenever you are noticing an imbalance but first you need to learn how to recognize imbalances which is not hard. On 03/17/2015 11:54 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is important to use mantras as part of your daily practice with yoga and Ayurveda. Choose a quite clean place at home. Take five minutes in the morning to chant your specific mantra for your dosha or one prescribed by an Ayurvedic practitioner or spiritual teacher. Give your mantra an intent or meaning and then let it resonate within. Vata dosha can chant the following: Hrim (pronounced hreem), Srim (pronounced shreem) , Klim (pronounced kleem), Saum (pronounced sa aum) Soft mantras are best for vata dosha. Pitta dosha can chant the following: Srim (pronounced shreem), Klim (pronounced kleem), Aim (pronounced aym), Saum (pronounced sa aum) Cooling and soft mantras are the best for pitta dosha. Kapha dosha can chant the following: Krim (pronounced kreem), Hum (pronounced hoom), Hrim (pronounced hreem), Dum (pronounced doom), Hsauh (pronounced hau sau) Warm and stimulating mantras are the best for kapha dosha. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Meditation isn't forever. At some point that third eye is open and will remain open regardless of whether you meditate or not. IOW, you're there. In that state I call it pure consciousness on demand. Last week I recommended Swami Radha's book Mantras Words of Power. She was a German woman who studied with a Swami Sivananda. Even Sivananda's books went into different methods of meditation. Ever wonder why it was okay for kids to use a walking mantra but not recommended for adults? Of course you can meditate with eyes open. And I frequently write about what I call adjunct mantras, particularly the ones for ayurveda. These can be used in additional to whatever practice you do be it TM or otherwise though maybe they'll throw you out of the domes if you let them know you use them. The ayurvedic mantras are very standard but not taught by MAPI (that I know of). If you've developed a degree of silence then you can evaluate mantras yourself. They're very useful to correct an imbalance. Of you might need to know a bit about ayurveda first. Point is a lot of this stuff, which Swami Radha points out
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Can anyone define cognitive dissonance? Can anyone spell bat-shit crazy? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's difficult for me to understand how someone like Rick who claims that his main interest is the enlightened people he interviews CAN'T TELL how insane Willytex is. So, the pirate TB brought the heat down on himself, his family, Rick and his forum by calling in the Interpol and the Dutch police, causing a great schism, but Willytex is insane? Then again, Rick is the one who actually believed that *Ravi* was enlightened, too. Go figure. Non sequitur.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Self obsessed plus making money for most of them - I'll have to go back and pick out a couple of doozies to suggest - there was one TM burnout in particular who later after he left Marshy took up with Sai Baba. He comes across as one weird rascal. Sounds like fun. I'm wondering though if this is the sort of thing I would have been interested in when I was a newbie TMer. I remember being excited about meeting advanced long term TMers when I went on my first course. What would they be like I wondered, would they be floating? have light emanating from their skin? talking only pure radiant wisdom? I had no idea. I admit to being nervous that my unevolved state would be too obvious. As it was I needn't have worried obviously, it was like One flew over the cuckoos nest crossed with the Addam's family. A lot of people who had either done too much or not enough and we'll never know which. There were a few cool people who clearly had something but certainly not what I was expecting and maybe that's just as well... Still drank it up though, so maybe BATGAP is fulfilling a function for people on the path who want to see a sign that they aren't just wasting their time? A sign that it's eventually going to have been worth it. Or not... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the more crazies he has the happier he is. Are you kidding? Most of the crazies are over on BATGAP. Have you ever watched any of those interviews? Not all of them are whacked out mind you. Some like Francis Bennett are really enjoyable to watch and listen to. But a good many of these people are around the bend, especially some of the old TM burnouts. A lot of the others are just setting themselves up to be the next Marshy or Adyashanti. I've started to watch a few but it doesn't interest me for some reason. It seems like the sort of wild speculation about experiences that I just don't get off on. I'm happy if they are enjoying life but it's all a bit self obsessed isn't it? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise.
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for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering.../* *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : */Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? /* */ /* */It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-)/* */ /* */Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-)/* *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ** The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : */It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). /* */ /*
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It is important to use mantras as part of your daily practice with yoga and Ayurveda. Choose a quite clean place at home. Take five minutes in the morning to chant your specific mantra for your dosha or one prescribed by an Ayurvedic practitioner or spiritual teacher. Give your mantra an intent or meaning and then let it resonate within. Vata dosha can chant the following:Hrim (pronounced hreem), Srim (pronounced shreem) , Klim (pronounced kleem), Saum (pronounced sa aum)Soft mantras are best for vata dosha. Pitta dosha can chant the following:Srim (pronounced shreem), Klim (pronounced kleem), Aim (pronounced aym), Saum (pronounced sa aum)Cooling and soft mantras are the best for pitta dosha. Kapha dosha can chant the following:Krim (pronounced kreem), Hum (pronounced hoom), Hrim (pronounced hreem), Dum (pronounced doom), Hsauh (pronounced hau sau)Warm and stimulating mantras are the best for kapha dosha. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Meditation isn't forever. At some point that third eye is open and will remain open regardless of whether you meditate or not. IOW, you're there. In that state I call it pure consciousness on demand. Last week I recommended Swami Radha's book Mantras Words of Power. She was a German woman who studied with a Swami Sivananda. Even Sivananda's books went into different methods of meditation. Ever wonder why it was okay for kids to use a walking mantra but not recommended for adults? Of course you can meditate with eyes open. And I frequently write about what I call adjunct mantras, particularly the ones for ayurveda. These can be used in additional to whatever practice you do be it TM or otherwise though maybe they'll throw you out of the domes if you let them know you use them. The ayurvedic mantras are very standard but not taught by MAPI (that I know of). If you've developed a degree of silence then you can evaluate mantras yourself. They're very useful to correct an imbalance. Of you might need to know a bit about ayurveda first. Point is a lot of this stuff, which Swami Radha points out, is for beginners. My tantra guru said the same thing. The main purpose of asanas is to develop the ability to sit in a half lotus pose for a long time. After a while the pose doesn't even matter. Why would I want to date at my age? I don't even have the karma for relationships. Any attempt gets thwarted mysteriously. My life's complicated enough right now to deal with such things. I'm cleaning house so I can put it on the market and get my equity and capital gains out of it. I don't need a 4 bedroom house. I want to downsize things. I also watch stuff on my TV a little differently than some folks because of working in the entertainment industry. For instance, I am monitoring the CSI Cyber show to see what they are presenting to their audience. It's very cartoonish and that's why the acting is stilted. Similarly l like to watch very low budget found footage movies to see what young folks are up to with the medium. Some of it's very entertaining and good story telling. I hang around the house because what work I do have is done at home. That's why I liked to go out to places like Starbucks to hang out and chat with locals. But folks aren't going there anymore nor even the locally owned shops. The economy is crashing down despite the lies the government gives you. On 03/17/2015 11:19 AM, rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife] wrote: The point is that you and the other Barry seem to spend way too much time hanging around the house watching a boob tube and apparently you can't get a date, yet both of you are making tantric yogi status claims. Face it, niether of you seem to practicing any yoga poses or even meditating on your third eye. Of course there's nothing wrong with watching TV and movies on Saturday night. It's just that tantric yogis aren't supposed to be laying around in bed watching TV or movies by themselves - they are supposed to be practicing tantric yoga and meditation like normal spiritual householders with their family. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : You have a family and kids if I'm not mistaken? Your lifestyle then differs a bit from many of us here. Also we don't watch TV per se. Most of us are watching shows and movies at our convenience via streaming. It's a bit of a different world. Some of us work at computers all day and for me to watch a few things on a big screen TV in the evening is better on my eyes than reading a book. It may seem to some that TV is more important than it really is to us. My social lifestyle has been in a state of flux. Some of the folks I used to hang out with at Starbucks can
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@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about projecting your They hate Maharishi fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't true, at least in my case. How is that NOT assigning us beliefs, emotions, and motivations? I don't consider myself obsessed with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest propaganda (global repair mechanism) is ripped off from one of the current buzzword du jour you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. AGAIN. What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons pushed? AGAIN. Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) TM never does any harm. Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It certainly wasn't mine. For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which several dozen people were placed in special twitching groups and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org).
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So, I wonder how much money Salya got when he worked for the TMO and lived at the TM Center? It must have been pretty good pay for him to stay for over 12 years. He probably got free room and board plus a stipend to live on. Or, maybe he got nothing and lived like a pauper for all that time. Go figure. According to MJ, he worked on staff at MIU in the kitchen and dinning room. He got what, free food and a pod to sleep in and $50 every month? With that kind of money coming in he wouldn't even have enough money to buy himself a $10 lid every month.LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Self obsessed plus making money for most of them - I'll have to go back and pick out a couple of doozies to suggest - there was one TM burnout in particular who later after he left Marshy took up with Sai Baba. He comes across as one weird rascal. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sounds like fun. I'm wondering though if this is the sort of thing I would have been interested in when I was a newbie TMer. I remember being excited about meeting advanced long term TMers when I went on my first course. What would they be like I wondered, would they be floating? have light emanating from their skin? talking only pure radiant wisdom? I had no idea. I admit to being nervous that my unevolved state would be too obvious. As it was I needn't have worried obviously, it was like One flew over the cuckoos nest crossed with the Addam's family. A lot of people who had either done too much or not enough and we'll never know which. There were a few cool people who clearly had something but certainly not what I was expecting and maybe that's just as well... Still drank it up though, so maybe BATGAP is fulfilling a function for people on the path who want to see a sign that they aren't just wasting their time? A sign that it's eventually going to have been worth it. Or not... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the more crazies he has the happier he is. Are you kidding? Most of the crazies are over on BATGAP. Have you ever watched any of those interviews? Not all of them are whacked out mind you. Some like Francis Bennett are really enjoyable to watch and listen to. But a good many of these people are around the bend, especially some of the old TM burnouts. A lot of the others are just setting themselves up to be the next Marshy or Adyashanti. I've started to watch a few but it doesn't interest me for some reason. It seems like the sort of wild speculation about experiences that I just don't get off on. I'm happy if they are enjoying life but it's all a bit self obsessed isn't it? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex
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with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest propaganda (global repair mechanism) is ripped off from one of the current buzzword du jour you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. AGAIN. What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons pushed? AGAIN. Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) TM never does any harm. Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It certainly wasn't mine. For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which several dozen people were placed in special twitching groups and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org).
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at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
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what do you think of the Thomas Ashley Farrand books? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Meditation isn't forever. At some point that third eye is open and will remain open regardless of whether you meditate or not. IOW, you're there. In that state I call it pure consciousness on demand. Last week I recommended Swami Radha's book Mantras Words of Power. She was a German woman who studied with a Swami Sivananda. Even Sivananda's books went into different methods of meditation. Ever wonder why it was okay for kids to use a walking mantra but not recommended for adults? Of course you can meditate with eyes open. And I frequently write about what I call adjunct mantras, particularly the ones for ayurveda. These can be used in additional to whatever practice you do be it TM or otherwise though maybe they'll throw you out of the domes if you let them know you use them. The ayurvedic mantras are very standard but not taught by MAPI (that I know of). If you've developed a degree of silence then you can evaluate mantras yourself. They're very useful to correct an imbalance. Of you might need to know a bit about ayurveda first. Point is a lot of this stuff, which Swami Radha points out, is for beginners. My tantra guru said the same thing. The main purpose of asanas is to develop the ability to sit in a half lotus pose for a long time. After a while the pose doesn't even matter. Why would I want to date at my age? I don't even have the karma for relationships. Any attempt gets thwarted mysteriously. My life's complicated enough right now to deal with such things. I'm cleaning house so I can put it on the market and get my equity and capital gains out of it. I don't need a 4 bedroom house. I want to downsize things. I also watch stuff on my TV a little differently than some folks because of working in the entertainment industry. For instance, I am monitoring the CSI Cyber show to see what they are presenting to their audience. It's very cartoonish and that's why the acting is stilted. Similarly l like to watch very low budget found footage movies to see what young folks are up to with the medium. Some of it's very entertaining and good story telling. I hang around the house because what work I do have is done at home. That's why I liked to go out to places like Starbucks to hang out and chat with locals. But folks aren't going there anymore nor even the locally owned shops. The economy is crashing down despite the lies the government gives you. On 03/17/2015 11:19 AM, rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife] wrote: The point is that you and the other Barry seem to spend way too much time hanging around the house watching a boob tube and apparently you can't get a date, yet both of you are making tantric yogi status claims. Face it, niether of you seem to practicing any yoga poses or even meditating on your third eye. Of course there's nothing wrong with watching TV and movies on Saturday night. It's just that tantric yogis aren't supposed to be laying around in bed watching TV or movies by themselves - they are supposed to be practicing tantric yoga and meditation like normal spiritual householders with their family. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : You have a family and kids if I'm not mistaken? Your lifestyle then differs a bit from many of us here. Also we don't watch TV per se. Most of us are watching shows and movies at our convenience via streaming. It's a bit of a different world. Some of us work at computers all day and for me to watch a few things on a big screen TV in the evening is better on my eyes than reading a book. It may seem to some that TV is more important than it really is to us. My social lifestyle has been in a state of flux. Some of the folks I used to hang out with at Starbucks can no longer afford it and neither can I. I can tell that Starbucks is feeling the pinch due to the promos and what things they change about their member program. This is happening to a lot of US business including even McDonalds (which I don't frequent). Needless to say I feel a bit pissed because even my simple low cost extras have been stolen from me. And because I started studying economics back in the late 1970s I know what has happened and why I should be pissed. The majority should be too but most are like in a sleepwalking fantasy land. It was not a big pick up truck that I purchased. It was a midsize, of what previously was a small size, before the 2015 redesign. I've been very pleased with it, especially coming off a very basic work truck with few amenities. That truck purchased in 2008 with the recession in mind, also
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Did you find this on the MAPI site? Actually for vata Ram is most commonly used. But as noted for pitta shreem (or shring) is recommended and hoom for kapha. Having problems sleeping? You can repeat either the vata mantra or pitta one depending on which imbalance is causing the sleeplessness. Of course the kapha mantra will just make you more alert and is good for clearing a foggy morning mind. You can use these whenever you are noticing an imbalance but first you need to learn how to recognize imbalances which is not hard. On 03/17/2015 11:54 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is important to use mantras as part of your daily practice with yoga and Ayurveda. Choose a quite clean place at home. Take five minutes in the morning to chant your specific mantra for your dosha or one prescribed by an Ayurvedic practitioner or spiritual teacher. Give your mantra an intent or meaning and then let it resonate within. * * *Vata dosha can chant the following:* Hrim (pronounced hreem), Srim (pronounced shreem) , Klim (pronounced kleem), Saum (pronounced sa aum) Soft mantras are best for vata dosha. * * *Pitta dosha can chant the following:* Srim (pronounced shreem), Klim (pronounced kleem), Aim (pronounced aym), Saum (pronounced sa aum) Cooling and soft mantras are the best for pitta dosha. * * *Kapha dosha can chant the following:* Krim (pronounced kreem), Hum (pronounced hoom), Hrim (pronounced hreem), Dum (pronounced doom), Hsauh (pronounced hau sau) Warm and stimulating mantras are the best for kapha dosha. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:47 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Meditation isn't forever. At some point that third eye *is* open and will remain open regardless of whether you meditate or not. IOW, you're there. In that state I call it pure consciousness on demand. Last week I recommended Swami Radha's book Mantras Words of Power. She was a German woman who studied with a Swami Sivananda. Even Sivananda's books went into different methods of meditation. Ever wonder why it was okay for kids to use a walking mantra but not recommended for adults? Of course you can meditate with eyes open. And I frequently write about what I call adjunct mantras, particularly the ones for ayurveda. These can be used in additional to whatever practice you do be it TM or otherwise though maybe they'll throw you out of the domes if you let them know you use them. The ayurvedic mantras are very standard but not taught by MAPI (that I know of). If you've developed a degree of silence then you can evaluate mantras yourself. They're very useful to correct an imbalance. Of you might need to know a bit about ayurveda first. Point is a lot of this stuff, which Swami Radha points out, is for beginners. My tantra guru said the same thing. The main purpose of asanas is to develop the ability to sit in a half lotus pose for a long time. After a while the pose doesn't even matter. Why would I want to date at my age? I don't even have the karma for relationships. Any attempt gets thwarted mysteriously. My life's complicated enough right now to deal with such things. I'm cleaning house so I can put it on the market and get my equity and capital gains out of it. I don't need a 4 bedroom house. I want to downsize things. I also watch stuff on my TV a little differently than some folks because of working in the entertainment industry. For instance, I am monitoring the CSI Cyber show to see what they are presenting to their audience. It's very cartoonish and that's why the acting is stilted. Similarly l like to watch very low budget found footage movies to see what young folks are up to with the medium. Some of it's very entertaining and good story telling. I hang around the house because what work I do have is done at home. That's why I liked to go out to places like Starbucks to hang out and chat with locals. But folks aren't going there anymore nor even the locally owned shops. The economy is crashing down despite the lies the government gives you. On 03/17/2015 11:19 AM, rich...@rwilliams.us mailto:rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife] wrote: The point is that you and the other Barry seem to spend way too much time hanging around the house watching a boob tube and apparently you can't get a date, yet both of you are making tantric yogi status claims. Face it, niether of you seem to practicing any yoga poses or even meditating on your third eye. Of course there's nothing wrong with watching TV and movies on Saturday night. It's just that tantric yogis aren't supposed to be laying around in bed watching TV or movies by themselves - they are supposed to be practicing tantric yoga
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Naa, not from MAPI - I was just curious after your post and looked around and found this: Ayurveda And Mantras For Increasing Mind Power And Balancing Your Doshas | Ayurvedic Wellness Lifestyle | | | | | | | | | | | Ayurveda And Mantras For Increasing Mind Power And B...Mantras have strong morphic fields and have been used by doctors, sages and saints for thousands of years to treat many specific conditions of the mind - you can al... | | | | View on planetwell.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Did you find this on the MAPI site? Actually for vata Ram is most commonly used. But as noted for pitta shreem (or shring) is recommended and hoom for kapha. Having problems sleeping? You can repeat either the vata mantra or pitta one depending on which imbalance is causing the sleeplessness. Of course the kapha mantra will just make you more alert and is good for clearing a foggy morning mind. You can use these whenever you are noticing an imbalance but first you need to learn how to recognize imbalances which is not hard. On 03/17/2015 11:54 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is important to use mantras as part of your daily practice with yoga and Ayurveda. Choose a quite clean place at home. Take five minutes in the morning to chant your specific mantra for your dosha or one prescribed by an Ayurvedic practitioner or spiritual teacher. Give your mantra an intent or meaning and then let it resonate within. Vata dosha can chant the following: Hrim (pronounced hreem), Srim (pronounced shreem) , Klim (pronounced kleem), Saum (pronounced sa aum) Soft mantras are best for vata dosha. Pitta dosha can chant the following: Srim (pronounced shreem), Klim (pronounced kleem), Aim (pronounced aym), Saum (pronounced sa aum) Cooling and soft mantras are the best for pitta dosha. Kapha dosha can chant the following: Krim (pronounced kreem), Hum (pronounced hoom), Hrim (pronounced hreem), Dum (pronounced doom), Hsauh (pronounced hau sau) Warm and stimulating mantras are the best for kapha dosha. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Meditation isn't forever. At some point that third eye is open and will remain open regardless of whether you meditate or not. IOW, you're there. In that state I call it pure consciousness on demand. Last week I recommended Swami Radha's book Mantras Words of Power. She was a German woman who studied with a Swami Sivananda. Even Sivananda's books went into different methods of meditation. Ever wonder why it was okay for kids to use a walking mantra but not recommended for adults? Of course you can meditate with eyes open. And I frequently write about what I call adjunct mantras, particularly the ones for ayurveda. These can be used in additional to whatever practice you do be it TM or otherwise though maybe they'll throw you out of the domes if you let them know you use them. The ayurvedic mantras are very standard but not taught by MAPI (that I know of). If you've developed a degree of silence then you can evaluate mantras yourself. They're very useful to correct an imbalance. Of you might need to know a bit about ayurveda first. Point is a lot of this stuff, which Swami Radha points out, is for beginners. My tantra guru said the same thing. The main purpose of asanas is to develop the ability to sit in a half lotus pose for a long time. After a while the pose doesn't even matter. Why would I want to date at my age? I don't even have the karma for relationships. Any attempt gets thwarted mysteriously. My life's complicated enough right now to deal with such things. I'm cleaning house so I can put it on the market and get my equity and capital gains out of it. I don't need a 4 bedroom house. I want to downsize things. I also watch stuff on my TV a little differently than some folks because of working in the entertainment industry. For instance, I am monitoring the CSI Cyber show to see what they are presenting to their audience. It's very cartoonish and that's why the acting is stilted. Similarly l like to watch very low budget found footage movies to see what young folks are up to with the medium. Some of it's very entertaining and good story telling. I hang around the house because what work I do have is done at home. That's why I liked to go out to places like Starbucks to hang out and chat with locals. But folks aren't going there anymore nor even the locally owned shops. The economy is crashing down
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Sometime, apply the real life test, Sal, and see how it comes out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise.
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You're pretty funny Barry. Someone who has a differing opinion about the things you write, is now stalking you. Well, it's not surprising, but it is revealing. Six months ago I looked at your facebook page. You know, the one you have in the public domain. At that time, you also accused me of stalking you. What you fail to miss, is that if that is your definition of stalking it brings into question all the other labels to which to accuse people of being, such as a cultist, or cult apologist Likely, this is beyond the scope of your comprehension, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Oh, and the real life test. Look at FFL today. I was never a member of alt.meditation, but it looks like FFL is enduring the same fate. And, surprise! Who was, is, the top poster of both forums? Why, it's Barry Wright! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad.
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So now it's Rick that is the cause of your tribulations, Barry? My god, man, look at thyself! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise. I certainly agree with the latter statement, and with your assessment of Rick's non-involvement. Interesting, isn't it, that the forum he created to discuss the BATGAP interviews gets ZERO traffic, because it turned out so namby-pamby and insipid that no one stuck around. It's difficult for me to understand how someone like Rick who claims that his main interest is the enlightened people he interviews CAN'T TELL how insane Willytex is. Then again, Rick is the one who actually believed that *Ravi* was enlightened, too. Go figure.
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what'swrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise. I certainly agree with the latter statement, and with your assessment of Rick's non-involvement. Interesting, isn't it, that the forum he created to discuss the BATGAP interviews gets ZERO traffic, because it turned out so namby-pamby and insipid that no one stuck around. It's difficult for me to understand how someone like Rick who claims that his main interest is the enlightened people he interviews CAN'T TELL how insane Willytex is. Then again, Rick is the one who actually believed that *Ravi* was enlightened, too. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
the more crazies he has the happier he is.
Are you kidding? Most of the crazies are over on BATGAP. Have you ever watched
any of those interviews? Not all of them are whacked out mind you. Some like
Francis Bennett are really enjoyable to watch and listen to. But a good many of
these people are around the bend, especially some of the old TM burnouts. A lot
of the others are just setting themselves up to be the next Marshy or
Adyashanti.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
Negativity or reality? And what'swrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of
folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading
the Gita?
One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or
something - I'm too tired to get a good line together
And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's
funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the
Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going
Yah Boo all day.
The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve
Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that
they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any
more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder
what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion
one can feel about either of them is pity.
The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all
respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard
Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read
anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick
*clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded.
That's very sad.
Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever
posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to
it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the
happier he is.
It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe
he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open
their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of
them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the
impact of long term meditation practise.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
Nobody can compare with the spiritual teachings of the informant Michael Jackson! I had never heard of propofol - after looking it up, I realize they must be spraying as an invisible mist in the Domes - that explains everything!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the more crazies he has the happier he is. Are you kidding? Most of the crazies are over on BATGAP. Have you ever watched any of those interviews? Not all of them are whacked out mind you. Some like Francis Bennett are really enjoyable to watch and listen to. But a good many of these people are around the bend, especially some of the old TM burnouts. A lot of the others are just setting themselves up to be the next Marshy or Adyashanti. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the more crazies he has the happier he is. Are you kidding? Most of the crazies are over on BATGAP. Have you ever watched any of those interviews? Not all of them are whacked out mind you. Some like Francis Bennett are really enjoyable to watch and listen to. But a good many of these people are around the bend, especially some of the old TM burnouts. A lot of the others are just setting themselves up to be the next Marshy or Adyashanti. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
Fascinating. Go figure. I had 14 years in the TMO and 20 more years in other organizations to work out those opinions, and stand by them fullly. - Uncle Tantra ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise. I certainly agree with the latter statement, and with your assessment of Rick's non-involvement. Interesting, isn't it, that the forum he created to discuss the BATGAP interviews gets ZERO traffic, because it turned out so namby-pamby and insipid that no one stuck around. It's difficult for me to understand how someone like Rick who claims that his main interest is the enlightened people he interviews CAN'T TELL how insane Willytex is. Then again, Rick is the one who actually believed that *Ravi* was enlightened, too. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
this, but so far you haven't. /* */ /* */But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest propaganda (global repair mechanism) is ripped off from one of the current buzzword du jour you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. AGAIN. /* */ /* */What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons pushed? AGAIN. /* */ /* */Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) TM never does any harm. Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It certainly wasn't mine. /* */ /* */For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which several dozen people were placed in special twitching groups and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering.../* *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : */Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? /* */ /* */It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-)/* */ /* */Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-)/* *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ** The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : */It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). /* */ /* */If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. /* *From:* Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the more crazies he has the happier he is. Are you kidding? Most of the crazies are over on BATGAP. Have you ever watched any of those interviews? Not all of them are whacked out mind you. Some like Francis Bennett are really enjoyable to watch and listen to. But a good many of these people are around the bend, especially some of the old TM burnouts. A lot of the others are just setting themselves up to be the next Marshy or Adyashanti. I've started to watch a few but it doesn't interest me for some reason. It seems like the sort of wild speculation about experiences that I just don't get off on. I'm happy if they are enjoying life but it's all a bit self obsessed isn't it? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion one can feel about either of them is pity. The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick *clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded. That's very sad. Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the happier he is. It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the impact of long term meditation practise.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
Self obsessed plus making money for most of them - I'll have to go back and
pick out a couple of doozies to suggest - there was one TM burnout in
particular who later after he left Marshy took up with Sai Baba. He comes
across as one weird rascal.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
the more crazies he has the happier he is.
Are you kidding? Most of the crazies are over on BATGAP. Have you ever watched
any of those interviews? Not all of them are whacked out mind you. Some like
Francis Bennett are really enjoyable to watch and listen to. But a good many of
these people are around the bend, especially some of the old TM burnouts. A lot
of the others are just setting themselves up to be the next Marshy or
Adyashanti.
I've started to watch a few but it doesn't interest me for some reason. It
seems like the sort of wild speculation about experiences that I just don't get
off on. I'm happy if they are enjoying life but it's all a bit self obsessed
isn't it?
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
Negativity or reality? And what'swrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of
folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading
the Gita?
One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or
something - I'm too tired to get a good line together
And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's
funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the
Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going
Yah Boo all day.
The fascinating thing from my point of view is that both of these guys -- Steve
Sundur and Richard Williams -- are so far gone into their cult psychosis that
they actually don't *know* that the only thing they're capable of doing any
more is stalking people they've taken a dislike to. One really has to wonder
what *happened* to them to make them this un-self-aware. The only valid emotion
one can feel about either of them is pity.
The real casualty in all of this, however, is Rick. I admit to having lost all
respect for him for reversing his previous sane decision and allowing Richard
Williams to return to FFL. He *clearly* has never even bothered to read
anything Richard posts. While I understand, what that means is that Rick
*clearly* doesn't CARE what this pyschopath has done to the forum he founded.
That's very sad.
Yes, Rick clearly has no interest in what goes on here any more and only ever
posts links to his BATGAP stuff. Maybe he uses this place as a counterpoint to
it - FFL the dark side of spirituality - and the more crazies he has the
happier he is.
It's hard to believe that Willytex is so unaware of how he comes across, maybe
he's beyond caring too and just wants to spread his misery around. I never open
their posts any more, life's too short, but the one useful function the pair of
them have is that any casual passing observer is going to think hard about the
impact of long term meditation practise.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
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: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
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Naw waddin' nuthin' wrong with them folk - it was jist that there global healing mechanism thingy the TM people yap about now. It uz all good. And I too have posted a number of comments on other cults here, other frauds, other so-called gurus like Amma, Muktananda and so forth, but Feste and Willy's clone Steve don't mind about that cuz they were never enamored of those guru-gees. I am interested in the whole follow the leader, drool over the guru mentality of cults. I have more to say about the Movement since I was part of it at one time. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about projecting your They hate Maharishi fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't true, at least in my case. How is that NOT assigning us beliefs, emotions, and motivations? I don't consider myself obsessed with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest propaganda (global repair mechanism) is ripped off from one of the current buzzword du jour you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. AGAIN. What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons pushed? AGAIN. Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) TM never does any harm. Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It certainly wasn't mine. For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which several dozen people were placed in special twitching groups and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org
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from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't
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What do you conceive the spiritual process to be? As far as I can see everyone is following it to a lesser or greater degree, unconsciously or consciously, lackadaisically or with focus. It seems to me Turq focuses on the pitfalls of the process, the things that lead one astray, he does not talk much about the positive aspects of the process, but that does not mean they are not there in his awareness. Opposition stimulates creativity and intelligence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I'm sorry you don't realize what you sound like here. You really don't understand the spiritual process, and as such, you've ended up in some lonely back water. You have a couple people here who think you are on to something. Everyone else has written you off. As Feste suggested, best to stick with TV reviews. BTW, we know what excessive TV watching does to the brain. Why not check out some peer review studies along those lines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about projecting your They hate Maharishi fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't true, at least in my case. How is that NOT assigning us beliefs, emotions, and motivations? I don't consider myself obsessed with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest propaganda (global repair mechanism) is ripped off from one of the current buzzword du jour you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. AGAIN. What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons pushed? AGAIN. Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) TM never does any harm. Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It certainly wasn't mine. For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which several dozen people were placed in special twitching groups and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb
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Just one other comment, for the record, before Barry gets carried away with the exaggerations, misrepresentations, and outright lies which have become his calling card over the past so many years. Those early courses were wild events. We all know that. But as in any experiment, the processes become refined over time. Barry, who fancies himself as the original renegade conveniently omits this, because it serves his larger purpose of denigrating the TM Organization, which, for the record, he has been obsessed with for some forty years, and which obsession continues unabated today. As one who had his share of twitching, you get through it after a short period, and then things resume a normal process. But, in the meantime, I'd say Barry has achieved his larger goal on turning FFL into his little bastion of negativity, where any discussion quickly descends into petty disputes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I'm sorry you don't realize what you sound like here. You really don't understand the spiritual process, and as such, you've ended up in some lonely back water. You have a couple people here who think you are on to something. Everyone else has written you off. As Feste suggested, best to stick with TV reviews. BTW, we know what excessive TV watching does to the brain. Why not check out some peer review studies along those lines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about projecting your They hate Maharishi fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't true, at least in my case. How is that NOT assigning us beliefs, emotions, and motivations? I don't consider myself obsessed with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest propaganda (global repair mechanism) is ripped off from one of the current buzzword du jour you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. AGAIN. What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons pushed? AGAIN. Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) TM never does any harm. Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It certainly wasn't mine. For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which several dozen people were placed in special twitching groups and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible
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I'm sorry you don't realize what you sound like here. You really don't understand the spiritual process, and as such, you've ended up in some lonely back water. You have a couple people here who think you are on to something. Everyone else has written you off. As Feste suggested, best to stick with TV reviews. BTW, we know what excessive TV watching does to the brain. Why not check out some peer review studies along those lines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about projecting your They hate Maharishi fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't true, at least in my case. How is that NOT assigning us beliefs, emotions, and motivations? I don't consider myself obsessed with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest propaganda (global repair mechanism) is ripped off from one of the current buzzword du jour you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. AGAIN. What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons pushed? AGAIN. Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) TM never does any harm. Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It certainly wasn't mine. For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which several dozen people were placed in special twitching groups and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop
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Maybe you are still in the cult and still in a trance induction state. There must be a reason you haven't visited a cult-exit counselor. Maybe you don't even realize that you are still brain-washed. Nothing you've posted here would indicate that you've gone beyond the cult-mindset, except that now you're in the anti-cult cult - it's almost like you've been programmed. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Naw waddin' nuthin' wrong with them folk - it was jist that there global healing mechanism thingy the TM people yap about now. It uz all good. And I too have posted a number of comments on other cults here, other frauds, other so-called gurus like Amma, Muktananda and so forth, but Feste and Willy's clone Steve don't mind about that cuz they were never enamored of those guru-gees. I am interested in the whole follow the leader, drool over the guru mentality of cults. I have more to say about the Movement since I was part of it at one time. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about projecting your They hate Maharishi fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't true, at least in my case. How is that NOT assigning us beliefs, emotions, and motivations? I don't consider myself obsessed with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest propaganda (global repair mechanism) is ripped off from one of the current buzzword du jour you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. AGAIN. What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons pushed? AGAIN. Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) TM never does any harm. Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It certainly wasn't mine. For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which several dozen people were placed in special twitching groups and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've
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So, it's all about Steve and Richard. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. On 03/16/2015 07:22 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: FFL has come into the same fate that befell Alt.meditation, mostly just a pool of negativity (and TV reviews)
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mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
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was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering.../* *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : */Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? /* */ /* */It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-)/* */ /* */Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-)/* *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ** The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : */It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). /* */ /* */If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. /* *From:* Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Negativity or reality? And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading the Gita? One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line together And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going Yah Boo all day. BTW, did you buy that big pickup truck? On 03/16/2015 07:22 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: FFL has come into the same fate that befell Alt.meditation, mostly just a pool of negativity (and TV reviews) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote : What do you conceive the spiritual process to be? As far as I can see everyone is following it to a lesser or greater degree, unconsciously or consciously, lackadaisically or with focus. It seems to me Turq focuses on the pitfalls of the process, the things that lead one astray, he does not talk much about the positive aspects of the process, but that does not mean they are not there in his awareness. Opposition stimulates creativity and intelligence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : I'm sorry you don't realize what you sound like here. You really don't understand the spiritual process, and as such, you've ended up in some lonely back water. You have a couple people here who think you are on to something. Everyone else has written you off. As Feste suggested, best to stick with TV reviews. BTW, we know what excessive TV watching does to the brain. Why not check out some peer review studies along those lines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about projecting your They hate Maharishi fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't true, at least in my case. How is that NOT assigning us beliefs, emotions, and motivations? I don't consider myself obsessed with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest propaganda (global repair mechanism) is ripped off from one of the current buzzword du jour you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. AGAIN. What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons pushed? AGAIN. Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) TM never does any harm. Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It certainly wasn't mine. For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which several dozen people were placed in special twitching groups and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Anyway, celebrity endorsement is gold and is what everyone aims for, for some reason things are considered more likely to be effective if some actor or model does it. Strange really that the quest for the deepest level of consciousness and the highest state of life depends ultimately on such shallow concerns as My skin looks better when I meditate, I could stay a model into my thirties or My football is better. I got into TM via a profound book about consciousness and human potential, I don't think I would have been so easily seduced if all they had to offer was an out-of-date picture of an actress and a simpering quote about happiness being easy. I have always assumed (and still do) that the reason TMers are such suckers for celebrity endorsement is that they are subconsciously painfully aware of how insignificant and unimportant they and their lives are, and always will be. One of the only ways they can feel good about themselves is by considering themselves part of a small, super-important group that has celebrities in it. I call this belief Importance by association. It really doesn't matter how famous the person you're a groupie to is...bottom line is that all you are and all you'll remain is a groupie, hoping that some of the famous person's fame will rub off on you. Sadly, that never happens.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Another intelligent post. Re The TM website . . . looks like a health page from a women's magazine: Indeed. A depressing insight into the concerns of current TMers. In my time at the TMO we had plenty of celebs who didn't want to be publicly associated with us because of yogic flying. It's seen as just too weird and would be the kiss of death for many a career. Russell Brand might get away with it but that's about it. Ditto the Maharishi Effect, I remember when the Washington Study was published and Geoffrey Clements made a stirring speech that we didn't have to be embarrassed any more as it was considered proper peer reviewed science. What he didn't mention was the editor's caveat in the Journal of Social Indicators Research saying that if the conclusion of this research was correct we might as well abandon the scientific method. I kick myself for this. When the journal was published I questioned why we didn't have an actual copy in the press office as I thought it would be good for our collection of published articles, but I didn't get a good answer and didn't question it. This is the danger of being a believer, you suspend critical faculties in favour of being told what to think and towing the party line. Same in every job I suppose but this involved a compromise I wouldn't have been happy with as I joined up thinking they were serious about using science to further their goals of spreading the word. You'd love the story about when I found out they were into astrology. Anyway, celebrity endorsement is gold and is what everyone aims for, for some reason things are considered more likely to be effective if some actor or model does it. Strange really that the quest for the deepest level of consciousness and the highest state of life depends ultimately on such shallow concerns as My skin looks better when I meditate, I could stay a model into my thirties or My football is better. I got into TM via a profound book about consciousness and human potential, I don't think I would have been so easily seduced if all they had to offer was an out-of-date picture of an actress and a simpering quote about happiness being easy. Re One of the main attractions [of TM], an immunity to what life throws at you: That's true for me. On many days, after my meditation session, I've felt that take-it-as-it-comes acceptance of what the day brings. It's nothing flashy. It's just the absence of those bad-tempered or petty thoughts and feelings that can mar one's enjoyment. I was always very up and down with it, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I used to tell myself it was all part of the process but got fed up with it all eventually. Stopping the TMSP was the best thing I ever did. There are many ways of achieving ones goals, I think the message of the TMO could be improved to be more embracing and realistic. Re Barry's comment: I would bet that it would be difficult to find even a single long-term TMer reporting good experiences who had NOT heard those experiences described to him or her beforehand.: I'd claim myself as an exception to Barry's rule. Within a week or so of learning TM I found my senses heightened and alive to the sights and sounds of nature. Out walking I would stop every few minutes in front of a garden in bloom simply amazed by the beauty of the flowers on display. Was anyone ever told to expect such an experience in advance? I certainly wasn't. In fact, the first time it happened I was seriously wondering if someone had spiked my lunch with a psychedelic (I'd fallen in with a bad crowd. I like that expression! Whenever I use it I always wonder if right now someone I knew back in the day is talking to a friend and - thinking of me - is shaking his head saying: I'd fallen in with a bad crowd). I was told that experiences like that were to be expected but not how so it was all very innocent at first. And very liberating. But my experience of the higher states one after the other looks suspicious with hindsight but they were real experiences or at least, changes in information processing in existing experiences - see how a slight change of focus alters the interpretation? I often get accused of being a TM hater but it isn't the case, I really like it. Not as much as I used to but that was mixed up with a belief in what it was going to do rather than a sober assessment of what it was doing. Taking the hyperbole seriously can slow you down, or is it the thing that keeps you going? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO
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Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about projecting your They hate Maharishi fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't true, at least in my case. How is that NOT assigning us beliefs, emotions, and motivations? I don't consider myself obsessed with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest propaganda (global repair mechanism) is ripped off from one of the current buzzword du jour you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. AGAIN. What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons pushed? AGAIN. Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) TM never does any harm. Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It certainly wasn't mine. For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which several dozen people were placed in special twitching groups and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has
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Excellent, excellent, excellent points Sal - thank you for writing this. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ;That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I honestly think that it can make people more eccentric, this can be endearing but can result in them just not fitting in with normal society any more. There are plenty like this in the long term movement in the UK and all of them are really genuine spiritual people but they don't realise that obsession with beliefs, routines and ritual has turned them into inflexible maniacs. Some of the people I've known have developed mental health problems since learning TM which isn't what you'd expect if you listen to the TMO. The claim is that releasing stress cures neuroses and makes problems less likely to arise. Clearly something wrong there. I know a lot of siddhi practitioners who see therapists, it was a standing joke at the academy in fact. But am I looking on the dark side and seeking out the worst case types to bolster my argument? I don't think so, I became aware of what was going on just by listening to others and that was only after I got past my own programming that everything was fine and I was on the fast track to enlightenment. But I have no idea about the actual percentages of TMers who didn't get what they expected are. The trick for any researchers is going to be finding people that learnt TM and weren't exposed to the belief system and so aren't full of BS, maybe a search for neurotic traits in long term meditators would be be a fun way to start. I'll volunteer. So what will be left if a proper root and branch examination of TM was carried out? The Maharishi Effect will be gone by the end of the day obviously. In fact, if you look at the TM website it seems to have gone already, the whole things looks like a health page from the sort of women's magazine that you see in dentist's waiting rooms: http://tmhome.com/ I think the mental health claims will be amended to Can be effective for some people with some conditions but may exacerbate the same thing in others. For yet others it works only at first and that's as long as you don't get swept up with the hyperbole and keep up another sort of professionally led treatment plan if you have a particular condition. Not very catchy but seems to reflect the sort of disappointments I've seen, it just doesn't deliver what is promised for a lot of people. Or maybe the people I met are so desperate for it to work they signed up for endless courses in the hope of forcing a breakthrough? One thing is for sure mental problems aren't caused by stress trapped in the nervous system that could be released by being more relaxed, that's just the sort of cultish snake oil that has tripped up the Scientologists too. and the TMO's attempts so far are just more vedic nonsense simply because they have no other way of looking at the world - it has to have a vedic solution because everything is vedic. They will come to see the error of that in the coming years if they keep up the inquisitiveness. If you don't have any actual problems TM may be more effective. I remember
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Same for me. I never see any of Steve-o's rants unless someone else quotes them, as below. Feste and Buck I let through because occasionally both of them actually find something interesting to say that is not mere compulsive cultist Gotta shoot the messenger...just gotta stuff. Not very often, but with them the possibility still exists. Not with the other two. Steve-o hasn't been able to post anything that was original and not putting down a TM critic in over a year, so at a certain point it became obvious that he was a full-blown cultists and that there was really no point in bothering to read anything he wrote. And Willytex is so psychotic that I'm amazed *anyone* reads anything he posts. :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Happily I still have Willy Tex and Steve his Clone's emails automatically routed to the trash so I never know what they are yapping about till someone else comments on it. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, theTM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology andpsychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ;That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Correction. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The trick for any researchers is going to be finding people that learnt TM and weren't exposed to the belief system and so aren't full of BS, maybe a search for neurotic traits in long term meditators would be be a fun way to start. I'll volunteer. Exactly. The whole teaching approach of the TMO almost by definition invalidates any research because you can't FIND any subjects who WEREN'T told what to expect, and what these expected things mean. All interesting points. I'm much happier with it since I dropped the beliefs of the TMO, not that all of them were wrong per se, but to have the 7 states of consciousness evolutionary thing as a path and a goal and to try plotting your progress using it is no way to go about keeping the innocence required just to do it when you feel like it and get on with life. But as I know all about it from many lectures it's impossible to scientifically say that I haven't been primed to have interesting spiritual experiences, in fact I had text book experiences of all the higher states in the correct order after hearing about them. Real to me but a psychologist would be sceptical I still do actually, and enjoy them, but I just accept it for what it is - whatever it is - and don't make any assumptions and try not to use other people's language to describe it. This can be fun, trying to work a non-spiritual explanation into things as it can give you an idea about what's really happening without loading everything with god this and higher that. Whether it's useful at the time is the most important thing and it helped me cruise through the supermarket this morning so it can't be all bad. Maybe a completely secular approach would be more popular? I don't think so actually, as it was the very Indian-ness of TM that attracted me in the first place, the mystic orient and all that. Perhaps a complete scientific breakdown of method and effect would repel more people than it attracted. Memes have their uses.
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The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I honestly think that it can make people more eccentric, this can be endearing but can result in them just not fitting in with normal society any more. There are plenty like this in the long term movement in the UK and all of them are really genuine spiritual people but they don't realise that obsession with beliefs, routines and ritual has turned them into inflexible maniacs. Some of the people I've known have developed mental health problems since learning TM which isn't what you'd expect if you listen to the TMO. The claim is that releasing stress cures neuroses and makes problems less likely to arise. Clearly something wrong there. I know a lot of siddhi practitioners who see therapists, it was a standing joke at the academy in fact. But am I looking on the dark side and seeking out the worst case types to bolster my argument? I don't think so, I became aware of what was going on just by listening to others and that was only after I got past my own programming that everything was fine and I was on the fast track to enlightenment. But I have no idea about the actual percentages of TMers who didn't get what they expected are. The trick for any researchers is going to be finding people
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One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, theTM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology andpsychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ;That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I honestly think that it can make people more eccentric, this can be endearing but can result in them just not fitting in with normal society any more. There are plenty like this in the long term movement in the UK and all of them are really genuine spiritual people but they don't realise that obsession with beliefs, routines and ritual has turned them into inflexible maniacs. Some of the people I've known have developed mental health problems since learning TM which isn't what you'd expect if you listen to the TMO. The claim is that releasing stress cures neuroses and makes problems less likely to arise. Clearly something wrong there. I know a lot of siddhi practitioners who see therapists, it was a standing joke at the academy in fact. But am I looking on the dark side and seeking out the worst case types to bolster my argument? I don't think so, I became aware of what was going on just by listening to others and that was only after I got past my own programming that everything was fine and I was on the fast track to enlightenment. But I have no idea about the actual percentages of TMers who didn't get what they expected are. The trick for any researchers is going to be finding people that learnt TM and weren't exposed to the belief system and so aren't full of BS, maybe a search for neurotic traits in long term meditators would be be a fun way to start. I'll volunteer. So what will be left if a proper root and branch examination of TM was carried out? The Maharishi Effect will be gone by the end of the day obviously. In fact, if you look at the TM website it seems to have gone already, the whole things looks like a health page from the sort of women's magazine that you see in dentist's waiting rooms: http://tmhome.com/ I think the mental health claims will be amended to Can be effective for some people with some conditions but may exacerbate the same thing in others. For yet others it works only at first and that's as long as you don't get swept up with the hyperbole and keep up another sort of professionally led treatment plan if you have a particular condition. Not very catchy but seems to reflect the sort of disappointments I've seen, it just doesn't deliver what is promised for a lot of people. Or maybe the people I met are so desperate for it to work they signed up for endless courses in the hope of forcing a breakthrough? One thing is for sure mental problems aren't caused by stress trapped in the nervous system that could be released by being more relaxed, that's just the sort of cultish snake oil that has tripped up the Scientologists too
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Happily I still have Willy Tex and Steve his Clone's emails automatically routed to the trash so I never know what they are yapping about till someone else comments on it. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, theTM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology andpsychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ;That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I honestly think that it can make people more eccentric, this can be endearing but can result in them just not fitting in with normal society any more. There are plenty like this in the long term movement in the UK and all of them are really genuine spiritual people
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Same for me. I never see any of Steve-o's rants unless someone else quotes them, as below. Feste and Buck I let through because occasionally both of them actually find something interesting to say that is not mere compulsive cultist Gotta shoot the messenger...just gotta stuff. Not very often, but with them the possibility still exists. Not with the other two. Steve-o hasn't been able to post anything that was original and not putting down a TM critic in over a year, so at a certain point it became obvious that he was a full-blown cultists and that there was really no point in bothering to read anything he wrote. And Willytex is so psychotic that I'm amazed *anyone* reads anything he posts. :-) Good lord, are they still here? And still reading posts without contributing eh? Sounds like an obsession to me. Whatever lights your candle I suppose... From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Happily I still have Willy Tex and Steve his Clone's emails automatically routed to the trash so I never know what they are yapping about till someone else comments on it. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier.
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It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, theTM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology andpsychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ;That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I honestly think that it can make people more eccentric, this can be endearing but can result in them just not fitting in with normal society any more. There are plenty like this in the long term movement in the UK and all of them are really genuine spiritual people but they don't realise that obsession with beliefs, routines and ritual has turned them into inflexible maniacs. Some of the people I've known have developed mental health problems since learning TM which isn't what you'd expect if you listen to the TMO. The claim is that releasing stress cures neuroses and makes problems less likely to arise. Clearly something wrong there. I know a lot of siddhi practitioners who see therapists, it was a standing joke at the academy in fact. But am I looking on the dark side and seeking out the worst case types to bolster my argument? I don't think so, I became aware of what was going on just by listening to others and that was only after I got past my own programming that everything was fine and I was on the fast track to enlightenment. But I have no idea about the actual percentages of TMers who didn't get what they expected are. The trick for any researchers is going to be finding people that learnt TM and weren't exposed to the belief system and so aren't full of BS, maybe a search for neurotic traits in long term meditators would be be a fun way to start. I'll volunteer. So what will be left if a proper root and branch examination of TM was carried out? The Maharishi Effect will be gone by the end of the day obviously. In fact, if you look at the TM website it seems to have gone already, the whole things looks like a health
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From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
The trick for any researchers is going to be finding people that learnt TM and
weren't exposed to the belief system and so aren't full of BS, maybe a search
for neurotic traits in long term meditators would be be a fun way to start.
I'll volunteer.
Exactly. The whole teaching approach of the TMO almost by definition
invalidates any research because you can't FIND any subjects who WEREN'T told
what to expect, and what these expected things mean.
All interesting points. I'm much happier with it since I dropped the beliefs of
the TMO, not that all of them were wrong per se, but to have the 7 states of
consciousness evolutionary thing as a path and a goal and to try plotting your
progress using it is no way to go about keeping the innocence required just to
do it when you feel like it and get on with life.
But as I know all about it from many lectures it's impossible to scientifically
say that I haven't been primed to have interesting spiritual experiences, in
fact I had text book experiences of all the higher states in the correct order
after hearing about them. Real to me but a psychologist would be sceptical.
Exactly my point. Between the intro lecture, the several nights of checking
after instruction, and numerous advanced lectures heard at the local center
or on residence courses, I would bet that it would be difficult to find even a
single long-term TMer reporting good experiences who had NOT heard those
experiences described to him or her beforehand. That fact has a tendency to
move the experiences out of the realm of so-called innocence and into the
realm of placebo effect or self-fulfilling prophecy.
I still do actually, and enjoy them, but I just accept it for what it is -
whatever it is - and don't make any assumptions and try not to use other
people's language to describe it.
A good move, in my opinion, relying on your own language rather than someone
else's to describe your own experiences. If you'll remember, that can get you
in trouble in the TMO, because teachers want you to only describe your
experiences in the terms *they* used when describing these experiences to you
in the first place.
This can be fun, trying to work a non-spiritual explanation into things as it
can give you an idea about what's really happening without loading everything
with god this and higher that.
Exactly. The experiences we've had are still valid, in the sense that we had
them. What is often invalid in my opinion is the spin or interpretation that
the TM movement insisted we put on those experiences.
Whether it's useful at the time is the most important thing and it helped me
cruise through the supermarket this morning so it can't be all bad. Maybe a
completely secular approach would be more popular? I don't think so actually,
as it was the very Indian-ness of TM that attracted me in the first place, the
mystic orient and all that. Perhaps a complete scientific breakdown of method
and effect would repel more people than it attracted. Memes have their uses.
As sad as it makes me to say it, I actually expect that most people would be
happier with a Woo Woo explanation than a secular one.
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You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I honestly think that it can make people more eccentric, this can be endearing but can result in them just not fitting in with normal society any more. There are plenty like this in the long term movement in the UK and all of them are really genuine spiritual people but they don't realise that obsession with beliefs, routines and ritual has turned them into inflexible maniacs. Some of the people I've known have developed mental health problems since learning TM which isn't what you'd expect if you listen to the TMO. The claim is that releasing stress cures neuroses and makes problems less likely to arise. Clearly something wrong there. I know a lot of siddhi practitioners who see therapists, it was a standing joke at the academy in fact. But am I looking on the dark side and seeking out the worst case types to bolster my argument? I don't think so, I became aware of what was going on just by listening to others and that was only after I got past my own programming that everything was fine and I was on the fast track to enlightenment. But I have no idea about the actual percentages of TMers who didn't get what they expected are. The trick for any researchers is going to be finding people that learnt TM and weren't exposed to the belief system and so aren't full of BS, maybe a search for neurotic traits
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Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, theTM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology andpsychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ;That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I honestly think that it can make people more eccentric, this can be endearing but can result in them just not fitting in with normal society any more. There are plenty like this in the long term movement in the UK and all of them are really genuine spiritual people but they don't realise that obsession with beliefs, routines and ritual has turned them into inflexible maniacs. Some of the people I've known have developed mental health problems since learning TM which isn't what you'd expect if you listen to the TMO. The claim is that releasing stress cures neuroses and makes problems less likely to arise. Clearly something wrong there. I know a lot of siddhi practitioners who see therapists
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Willy might be a mad scientist - I think he actually cloned himself and the result was Steve. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Same for me. I never see any of Steve-o's rants unless someone else quotes them, as below. Feste and Buck I let through because occasionally both of them actually find something interesting to say that is not mere compulsive cultist Gotta shoot the messenger...just gotta stuff. Not very often, but with them the possibility still exists. Not with the other two. Steve-o hasn't been able to post anything that was original and not putting down a TM critic in over a year, so at a certain point it became obvious that he was a full-blown cultists and that there was really no point in bothering to read anything he wrote. And Willytex is so psychotic that I'm amazed *anyone* reads anything he posts. :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Happily I still have Willy Tex and Steve his Clone's emails automatically routed to the trash so I never know what they are yapping about till someone else comments on it. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, theTM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology andpsychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ;That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ;That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. This is an important topic, so I hope you don't mind me chiming in. I think that it may be safe to say that the worst part of any system of meditation or self-discovery -- and worse in the sense that it can actually prevent an otherwise effective technique from working -- is the dogma that organizations develop to explain things. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. Just think of a few of the people who have declared their enlightenment on this forum, completely oblivious to how other people perceived them on the basis of their actions. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I honestly think that it can make people more eccentric, this can be endearing but can result in them just not fitting in with normal society any more. There are plenty like this in the long term movement in the UK and all of them are really genuine spiritual people but they don't realise that obsession with beliefs, routines and ritual has turned them into inflexible maniacs. The most dangerous part of this is that if the new cult recruits wind up spending the majority of their time in a community of like-minded people, it becomes a kind of echo chamber in which they are very likely to lose touch with how eccentric and weird they have become, from the point of view of people in the outside world. There are probably people on this forum, for example, who think that it is perfectly normal to get up early in the middle of a blizzard and drive or walk across town like the Eloi in H.G. Wells' The Time Machine and disappear into a dome for 2+ hours, and then do it again in the afternoon. Every day, 365 days a year. And because they are so insulated from the outside world and cut off from it, they have actually come to think of this -- and themselves -- as normal. Some of the people I've known have developed mental health problems since learning TM which isn't what you'd expect if you listen to the TMO. The claim is that releasing stress cures neuroses and makes problems less likely to arise. Clearly something wrong there. I know a lot of siddhi practitioners who see therapists, it was a standing joke at the academy in fact. I left the TMO before the sidhis became as widespread among non-teachers as they are now, but I certainly saw the same trends among TM teachers. There were FAR more examples of neurosis and real psychosis than I would have found in similarly-sized populations out in the real world. But am I looking on the dark side and seeking out the worst case types to bolster my argument? I don't think so, I became aware of what was going on just by listening to others and that was only after I got past my own programming that everything was fine and I was on the fast track to enlightenment. But I have no idea about the actual percentages of TMers who didn't get what they expected are. The sad thing is that TMers were taught to settle, meaning that they were taught that a tiny, several-second-long flash of no-thought-no-mantra was a sign of something good happening and important enough to consider a great spiritual experience. Similarly, they were taught that witnessing sleep (which happens often even in non-meditating populations and thus has no relationship to spiritual progress of any kind) was a
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I honestly think that it can make people more eccentric, this can be endearing but can result in them just not fitting in with normal society any more. There are plenty like this in the long term movement in the UK and all of them are really genuine spiritual people but they don't realise that obsession with beliefs, routines and ritual has turned them into inflexible maniacs. Some of the people I've known have developed mental health problems since learning TM which isn't what you'd expect if you listen to the TMO. The claim is that releasing stress cures neuroses and makes problems less likely to arise. Clearly something wrong there. I know a lot of siddhi practitioners who see therapists, it was a standing joke at the academy in fact. But am I looking on the dark side and seeking out the worst case types to bolster my argument? I don't think so, I became aware of what was going on just by listening to others and that was only after I got past my own programming that everything was fine and I was on the fast track to enlightenment. But I have no idea about the actual percentages of TMers who didn't get what they expected are. The trick for any researchers is going to be finding people that learnt TM and weren't exposed to the belief system and so aren't full of BS, maybe a search for neurotic traits in long term meditators would be be a fun way to start. I'll volunteer. So what will be left if a proper root and branch examination of TM was carried out? The Maharishi Effect will be gone by the end of the day obviously. In fact, if you look at the TM website it seems to have gone already, the whole things looks like a health page from the sort of women's magazine that you see in dentist's waiting rooms: http://tmhome.com/ http://tmhome.com/ I think the mental health claims will be amended to Can be effective for some people with some conditions but may exacerbate the same thing in others. For yet others it works only at first and that's as long as you don't get swept up with the hyperbole and keep up another sort of professionally led treatment plan if you have a particular condition. Not very catchy but seems to reflect the sort of disappointments I've seen, it just doesn't deliver what is promised for a lot of people. Or maybe the people I met are so desperate for it to work they signed up for endless courses in the hope of forcing a breakthrough? One thing is for sure mental problems aren't caused by stress trapped in the nervous system that could be released by being more relaxed, that's just the sort of cultish snake oil that has tripped up the Scientologists too. and the TMO's attempts so far are just more vedic nonsense simply because they have no other way of looking at the world - it has to have a vedic solution because everything is vedic. They will come to see the error of that in the coming years if they keep up the inquisitiveness. If you don't have any actual problems TM may be more effective. I remember a Buddhist I knew saying that anyone with problems should get them sorted before they learn to meditate. Maybe it will still turn out to be the best thing ever, just with a lot more
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Correction. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The trick for any researchers is going to be finding people that learnt TM and weren't exposed to the belief system and so aren't full of BS, maybe a search for neurotic traits in long term meditators would be be a fun way to start. I'll volunteer. Exactly. The whole teaching approach of the TMO almost by definition invalidates any research because you can't FIND any subjects who WEREN'T told what to expect, and what these expected things mean.
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Ooops. I actually pushed the Send button while carrying my laptop back to a plug to recharge it. So I'll continue my previous rap below in this color. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ;That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. This is an important topic, so I hope you don't mind me chiming in. I think that it may be safe to say that the worst part of any system of meditation or self-discovery -- and worse in the sense that it can actually prevent an otherwise effective technique from working -- is the dogma that organizations develop to explain things. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. Just think of a few of the people who have declared their enlightenment on this forum, completely oblivious to how other people perceived them on the basis of their actions. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I honestly think that it can make people more eccentric, this can be endearing but can result in them just not fitting in with normal society any more. There are plenty like this in the long term movement in the UK and all of them are really genuine spiritual people but they don't realise that obsession with beliefs, routines and ritual has turned them into inflexible maniacs. The most dangerous part of this is that if the new cult recruits wind up spending the majority of their time in a community of like-minded people, it becomes a kind of echo chamber in which they are very likely to lose touch with how eccentric and weird they have become, from the point of view of people in the outside world. There are probably people on this forum, for example, who think that it is perfectly normal to get up early in the middle of a blizzard and drive or walk across town like the Eloi in H.G. Wells' The Time Machine and disappear into a dome for 2+ hours, and then do it again in the afternoon. Every day, 365 days a year. And because they are so insulated from the outside world and cut off from it, they have actually come to think of this -- and themselves -- as normal. Some of the people I've known have developed mental health problems since learning TM which isn't what you'd expect if you listen to the TMO. The claim is that releasing stress cures neuroses and makes problems less likely to arise. Clearly something wrong there. I know a lot of siddhi practitioners who see therapists, it was a standing joke at the academy in fact. I left the TMO before the sidhis became as widespread among non-teachers as they are now, but I certainly saw the same trends among TM teachers. There were FAR more examples of neurosis and real psychosis than I would have found in similarly-sized populations out in the real world. But am I looking on the dark side and seeking out the worst case types to bolster my argument? I don't think so, I became aware of what was going on just by listening to others and that was only after I got past my own programming that everything was fine and I was on the fast track to enlightenment. But I have no idea about the actual percentages of TMers who didn't get what they expected are. The sad thing
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So, you took a bus up to Iowa to join a religious cult; worked in the kitchen for free; lived in a small pod for two years; got down on your hands and knees twice every day to pray to the Hindu gods; and tried to fly inside a golden dome, but Willy is the mad scientist? Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Willy might be a mad scientist - I think he actually cloned himself and the result was Steve. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Same for me. I never see any of Steve-o's rants unless someone else quotes them, as below. Feste and Buck I let through because occasionally both of them actually find something interesting to say that is not mere compulsive cultist Gotta shoot the messenger...just gotta stuff. Not very often, but with them the possibility still exists. Not with the other two. Steve-o hasn't been able to post anything that was original and not putting down a TM critic in over a year, so at a certain point it became obvious that he was a full-blown cultists and that there was really no point in bothering to read anything he wrote. And Willytex is so psychotic that I'm amazed *anyone* reads anything he posts. :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Happily I still have Willy Tex and Steve his Clone's emails automatically routed to the trash so I never know what they are yapping about till someone else comments on it. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace
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It looks like the TB is taking this message board really seriously. Using Yahoo Mail in preview mode; making folders and filters for all the members messages; reviewing the daily FFL Post Count; and posting cafe rants for the other informants to read. Gawd, it must be lonely over there! The TB must be feeling really powerful now after getting rid of Judy and Robin, and calling the cops on the other gals on the forum. Maybe he thinks he won the religious debate. Go figure. There's what, all of five old guys carrying on a conversation on FFL? I guess we know now what they do with their time on Saturday nights. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Same for me. I never see any of Steve-o's rants unless someone else quotes them, as below. Feste and Buck I let through because occasionally both of them actually find something interesting to say that is not mere compulsive cultist Gotta shoot the messenger...just gotta stuff. Not very often, but with them the possibility still exists. Not with the other two. Steve-o hasn't been able to post anything that was original and not putting down a TM critic in over a year, so at a certain point it became obvious that he was a full-blown cultists and that there was really no point in bothering to read anything he wrote. And Willytex is so psychotic that I'm amazed *anyone* reads anything he posts. :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Happily I still have Willy Tex and Steve his Clone's emails automatically routed to the trash so I never know what they are yapping about till someone else comments on it. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Same for me. I never see any of Steve-o's rants unless someone else quotes them, as below. Feste and Buck I let through because occasionally both of them actually find something interesting to say that is not mere compulsive cultist Gotta shoot the messenger...just gotta stuff. Not very often, but with them the possibility still exists. Not with the other two. Steve-o hasn't been able to post anything that was original and not putting down a TM critic in over a year, so at a certain point it became obvious that he was a full-blown cultists and that there was really no point in bothering to read anything he wrote. And Willytex is so psychotic that I'm amazed *anyone* reads anything he posts. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Good lord, are they still here? And still reading posts without contributing eh? Sounds like an obsession to me. Whatever lights your candle I suppose... Isn't that just like cultists - say something they don't like or don't agree with and they shun you and then try to get the rest of the group to shun you too. So brainwashed by cults they can't even carry on a normal conversation anymore. Go figure. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Happily I still have Willy Tex and Steve his Clone's emails automatically routed to the trash so I never know what they are yapping about till someone else comments on it. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier.
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Re: ...he was a full-blown cultists.. Ah ha ha ha...here's a quote for you. Give your dog a big wet kiss, today, Barry. That they could treat me so! I, the mind of the past, to be driven under the ground, outcast like dirt! The wind I breathe is fury and utter hate. ~Aeschylus, the furies in The Eumenides ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Same for me. I never see any of Steve-o's rants unless someone else quotes them, as below. Feste and Buck I let through because occasionally both of them actually find something interesting to say that is not mere compulsive cultist Gotta shoot the messenger...just gotta stuff. Not very often, but with them the possibility still exists. Not with the other two. Steve-o hasn't been able to post anything that was original and not putting down a TM critic in over a year, so at a certain point it became obvious that he was a full-blown cultists and that there was really no point in bothering to read anything he wrote. And Willytex is so psychotic that I'm amazed *anyone* reads anything he posts. :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Happily I still have Willy Tex and Steve his Clone's emails automatically routed to the trash so I never know what they are yapping about till someone else comments on it. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even
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Calm down Barry. Just calm yourself down. But hold on. This is just a little too precious to let go. I always love your sense of time. I believe it is you who can write three or four pages of text in a matter of two or three minutes, never proof read them and have your message come out just as you want it, first time, every time. And let's not even go into all the famous people you have crossed paths with. I'm afraid, Barry, the archives are full of exaggerations, and yes, outright lies, that you have been caught with over the years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I
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smart move on your part, as well, Barry. Jesus, you wouldn't want to cut into any of that TV time. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Same for me. I never see any of Steve-o's rants unless someone else quotes them, as below. Feste and Buck I let through because occasionally both of them actually find something interesting to say that is not mere compulsive cultist Gotta shoot the messenger...just gotta stuff. Not very often, but with them the possibility still exists. Not with the other two. Steve-o hasn't been able to post anything that was original and not putting down a TM critic in over a year, so at a certain point it became obvious that he was a full-blown cultists and that there was really no point in bothering to read anything he wrote. And Willytex is so psychotic that I'm amazed *anyone* reads anything he posts. :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Happily I still have Willy Tex and Steve his Clone's emails automatically routed to the trash so I never know what they are yapping about till someone else comments on it. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect
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You used to write some half way interesting stuff, Michael. Then you found it easier just to continually lambaste the TM movement. And sadly, Barry, also had designs to write original content. Christ, come to think of it, I guess he feels he somewhat succeeded in that, if you consider a decades long mission to push people's buttons, (or at least try), on an internet chat room site, with about a dozen participants, a success in that regard. It seems Barry's greatest contribution to writing has been his fearsome two post rule. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Willy might be a mad scientist - I think he actually cloned himself and the result was Steve. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Same for me. I never see any of Steve-o's rants unless someone else quotes them, as below. Feste and Buck I let through because occasionally both of them actually find something interesting to say that is not mere compulsive cultist Gotta shoot the messenger...just gotta stuff. Not very often, but with them the possibility still exists. Not with the other two. Steve-o hasn't been able to post anything that was original and not putting down a TM critic in over a year, so at a certain point it became obvious that he was a full-blown cultists and that there was really no point in bothering to read anything he wrote. And Willytex is so psychotic that I'm amazed *anyone* reads anything he posts. :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Happily I still have Willy Tex and Steve his Clone's emails automatically routed to the trash so I never know what they are yapping about till someone else comments on it. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Maybe Barry has had a career he didn't tell us about, as a Fed Watcher during the Greenspan, or Paul Volcker era, where he learned to dissect and analyze every little nuance that came out of a Federal Reserve speech, or from the transcripts of a meeting. Cuz that sure as hell is what they seem to be doing now with this TM stuff!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I honestly think that it can make people more eccentric, this can be endearing but can result in them just not fitting in with normal society any more. There are plenty like this in the long term movement in the UK and all of them are really genuine spiritual people but they don't realise that obsession with beliefs, routines and ritual has turned them into inflexible maniacs. Some of the people I've known have developed mental health problems since learning TM which isn't what you'd expect if you listen to the TMO. The claim is that releasing stress cures neuroses and makes problems less likely to arise. Clearly something wrong there. I know a lot of siddhi practitioners who see therapists, it was a standing joke at the academy in fact. But am I looking on the dark side and seeking out
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smart move on your part, Michael. I wouldn't want to be reminded of the fool you make yourself out to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Happily I still have Willy Tex and Steve his Clone's emails automatically routed to the trash so I never know what they are yapping about till someone else comments on it. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I honestly think that it can make
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You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I honestly think that it can make people more eccentric, this can be endearing but can result in them just not fitting in with normal society any more. There are plenty like this in the long term movement in the UK and all of them are really genuine
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You express things well, Feste. Much better than I. I can't help but marvel at how off course Barry has gotten. I suppose it was only a degree or so at the start, but it has morphed into its own weird journey. And I think even those who may have liked him at some point, have just moved away so as to not offend him. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television programs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is: Has anyone here ever heard of this business - As published research has indicated, the TM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology and psychology of everyone Global repair mechanism? When did the Movement ever or Marshy ever talk about something like that? And when was it ever in any research papers the Movement loves to blabber about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't
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Just tow the party line, Sal, and you be okay. But, be aware, that as a regular (TM) meditater, you are on a bit of thin ice. On the other hand, the fact that you still practice TM is in evidence in that you do come off as more balanced that the other two. Be thankful for small favors. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Same for me. I never see any of Steve-o's rants unless someone else quotes them, as below. Feste and Buck I let through because occasionally both of them actually find something interesting to say that is not mere compulsive cultist Gotta shoot the messenger...just gotta stuff. Not very often, but with them the possibility still exists. Not with the other two. Steve-o hasn't been able to post anything that was original and not putting down a TM critic in over a year, so at a certain point it became obvious that he was a full-blown cultists and that there was really no point in bothering to read anything he wrote. And Willytex is so psychotic that I'm amazed *anyone* reads anything he posts. :-) Good lord, are they still here? And still reading posts without contributing eh? Sounds like an obsession to me. Whatever lights your candle I suppose... From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Happily I still have Willy Tex and Steve his Clone's emails automatically routed to the trash so I never know what they are yapping about till someone else comments on it. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well. Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the answer. That's obsession? It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in the crafting of its propaganda. :-) Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase global repair mechanism was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible. :-) From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You guys crack me up. I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it. Keep it up. It gives you something to fill your days! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the exact phrase global repair mechanism plus the exact phrase transcendental meditation, it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). If you go a Google search for *only* global repair mechanism, you'll understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new buzzword du jour and decided to appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans Selye's buzzword stress many years earlier.
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Another intelligent post. Re The TM website . . . looks like a health page from a women's magazine: Indeed. A depressing insight into the concerns of current TMers. Re Thanks, but no [you're not] a writer: My main trade was being a sub editor - actually a chief sub. Trust me - compared with some of the insipid articles (for the BBC) I had to edit, your posts are engaging and well argued. The essential point is to have a point! If you know precisely what message you want to get across the writing usually takes care of itself. Re One of the main attractions [of TM], an immunity to what life throws at you: That's true for me. On many days, after my meditation session, I've felt that take-it-as-it-comes acceptance of what the day brings. It's nothing flashy. It's just the absence of those bad-tempered or petty thoughts and feelings that can mar one's enjoyment. Re Barry's comment: I would bet that it would be difficult to find even a single long-term TMer reporting good experiences who had NOT heard those experiences described to him or her beforehand.: I'd claim myself as an exception to Barry's rule. Within a week or so of learning TM I found my senses heightened and alive to the sights and sounds of nature. Out walking I would stop every few minutes in front of a garden in bloom simply amazed by the beauty of the flowers on display. Was anyone ever told to expect such an experience in advance? I certainly wasn't. In fact, the first time it happened I was seriously wondering if someone had spiked my lunch with a psychedelic (I'd fallen in with a bad crowd. I like that expression! Whenever I use it I always wonder if right now someone I knew back in the day is talking to a friend and - thinking of me - is shaking his head saying: I'd fallen in with a bad crowd). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points : MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a document now is an encouraging sign of progress ; As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all be dead by the time it develops a sober assessment of TM's (undoubted) strengths and limitations. What limitations? Well, I don't rule out the possibility that for some disturbed individuals doing TM could actually exacerbate their condition. It can indeed, and maybe not even in extreme cases. I lived and worked with the TMO for ten years and met a lot of people and talked a lot about TM and what it does or doesn't do. My overriding impression is that there is sometimes a huge disconnect between what people expect TM to do (or claim it has already done) and what they have actually achieved using it. I've met people who would talk endlessly about how spiritual they are and the benefits they've gained but when I've got to know them better it's turned out that they are seriously damaged and/or unpleasant people to greater or lesser degrees. The funny thing is they had no idea, one girl I knew was astonished when I told her that she had no self awareness whatsoever, she was amazingly unpleasant when you got past her social persona. I wondered what the point of devoting your life to meditation is if it can't touch the very things that probably drive you to seek it out as a therapy in the first place. But here's the thing, they don't know that it hasn't worked, part of the TM teaching is elitist in that you are taught from day one that you are a better person for being in touch with the transcendent. I honestly think that it can make people more eccentric, this can be endearing but can result in them just not fitting in with normal society any more. There are plenty like this in the long term movement in the UK and all of them are really genuine spiritual people but they don't realise that obsession with beliefs, routines and ritual has turned them into inflexible maniacs. Some of the people I've known have developed mental health problems since learning TM which isn't what you'd expect if you listen to the TMO. The claim is that releasing stress cures neuroses and makes problems less likely to arise. Clearly something wrong there. I know a lot of siddhi practitioners who see therapists, it was a standing joke at the academy in fact. But am I looking on the dark side and seeking out the worst case types to bolster my argument? I don't think so, I became aware of what was going on just by listening to others and that was only after I got past my own programming that everything was fine and I was on the fast track to enlightenment. But I have no idea about the actual percentages of TMers who didn't get what they expected are. The trick for any researchers is going to be finding people that learnt TM and weren't exposed to the belief system and so aren't full of BS,
