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$200/30 = $6.66 per day. They also get room and board. Assuming that a minimum wage person spends about 50% of his income on room and board, that $200 + room and board is about 3-6x the minimum wage for someone living in India. They're not business workers living in the USA. They are religious workers, visiting our country under a special deal, doing a religious thing. They would likely be paid far less if they were back in India. L
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Richard, I finally got what your main complaint is with turq: he said he and others saw Lenz levitate many times and yet turq thinks the TMSP is a scam. Is that it in a nutshell? I starting to realize that most of us have some cognitive dissonance somewhere in our thinking. Maybe it's just part of the human condition. I wonder why we sometimes try so hard to change it (-: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:52 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/20/2014 12:07 PM, Share Long wrote: But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. I've been demonized on FFL for years, Share - by Barry and Judy and a few other informants. Barry once said I was a stupid prairie dog fucker for being born in Texas - everyone knows I only screw up groundhogs. It's not complicated. Judy once called me a slime-ball because of a political opinion I once posted. Hillary Clinton IS a liar - everyone already knew that. Go figure. It's been over ten years and they are still demonizing me and that probably won't change. Now it looks like they are out to demonize you. So, thanks for pointing out their low-down racist, nit-picking, ankle-biting, demonizing tactics. Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever you do with your time doesn't seem to fill enough of it lately, and you've been going out of your way to associate me with Rama and thus with a big, bad cult figure, I figure I should explain a couple of things. - Uncle Tantra
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Ann, right, they seemed like rhetorical questions to me which means they were meant to make a point rather than evoke a response. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! Thanks, but most of these weren't points but questions and you failed to answer one of them. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:44 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, right, they seemed like rhetorical questions to me which means they were meant to make a point rather than evoke a response. No, I was curious about your thoughts. You evidently don't have any answers or don't want to share them here. You make me laugh when you make responses like the one above. You completely fail to address the subject at hand with these funny little replies. Maybe you feel the questions were unanswerable. Now if you do what you normally do you will respond by not revealing your thoughts on the questions but will make a short sentence or two saying something like this: No, I didn't feel the questions were unanswerable, I just returned from the Dome though and now need to go dust the fridge. But I do think most people have their good points and bad points and I just love the smorgasbord that is FFL. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:02 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! Thanks, but most of these weren't points but questions and you failed to answer one of them. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:44 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : $200/30 = $6.66 per day. They also get room and board. Assuming that a minimum wage person spends about 50% of his income on room and board, that $200 + room and board is about 3-6x the minimum wage for someone living in India. They're not business workers living in the USA. They are religious workers, visiting our country under a special deal, doing a religious thing. They would likely be paid far less if they were back in India. Exactly. I am not sure if Bawwy's mission here is to primarily try to make us think the pandits are silly woo woo makers used as puppets by the greed-driven Movement or is trying to enrage us by portraying the pandits as downtrodden and exploited indentured servants. I'd be more inclined to agree with the former but even then, let chanters chant if if makes everyone think they feel better and at the same time can put some money in the pockets of those left at home. After all, how employable are pandits in India and what would they get paid there? L
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Judy, yes, I think I know why turq said he had gone over the top but since I don't mind read, I'm not 100% sure. BTW, I have been equating demonizing with thinking someone is all bad. They're not two separate items for me. Now again, I don't mind read, so when I think someone is demonizing a person or organization, that is, thinking they are all bad, I'm going by not only what they say about them, but also what they don't say. For example, if they also don't recognize the good in that person or organization, that's what I call demonizing. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:38 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you remember why he said he had gone over the top, Share? Also--one more time--nobody says anybody on FFL is ALL bad. That's a straw man, and you need to drop it. As for demonizing people, who would you say does that here more than anybody else? Doc, turq did admit to his over the topness at some point in the pundit discussions. I think that's healthy. Do you remember that? No one on FFL is ALL bad. Plus I don't think it's useful to demonize anyone. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: What I am waiting for, Barry, is to hear about your past relationships, with women. I am pretty sure you have not been married before, but if so, SHE dumped you, and that may be the problem with you, right there (they are all cunts and bitches, huh?). Without therapy and a lot of soul searching, such a stressful event could result in you being as sadistic, abusive, self-distracting, and at the same time, scared to death, as you are. Enjoy your day - I'll keep working on this. To help yourself out, I would suggest recognizing the distractions, which come out of your mouth, and shutting them down, until you have faced your past emotional trauma. Thank you for calling me by name - it spurs my interest, in revealing you, to yourself. Love, Doc
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On 3/20/2014 11:25 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: You really got Emily questioning your mental health today. Good work. I'm beginning to question her mental health too. Do you think Emily really believes Rama could levitate? Maybe I'm the only informant that doesn't believe in the TMSP. Is there anyone out there that has reached 2nd stage of yogic flying? The question is: Why do some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice? I just don't see Barry or Emily or anyone else being able to levitate themselves. If anyone could levitate themselves, they would be considered a God, or at least a highly accomplished enlightened siddha yogin, not just another guy. If you can't walk the walk, you'd be considered a fakir or a bhogi. Go figure.
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On 3/21/2014 1:01 AM, lengli...@cox.net wrote: $200/30 = $6.66 per day. They also get room and board. Assuming that a minimum wage person spends about 50% of his income on room and board, that $200 + room and board is about 3-6x the minimum wage for someone living in India. They're not business workers living in the USA. They are religious workers, visiting our country under a special deal, doing a religious thing. They would likely be paid far less if they were back in India. Apparently by law, the pundits are allowed to only work part-time, twenty hours per week. When you factor in the room and board - $1000 per month - it looks like a pretty sweet deal for a poor person living in India. From what I've read, the housing is pretty plush and comfy and there have been no complaints about the food. It looks like the campus has a swimming pool.
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BT. Did you really think you were going to get away with that excuse, Share? Shame on you. You can be 100 percent sure of what someone has said in a post by reading the post. No mind-reading required. So the answer to my question is either No, I don't remember why he said he'd gone over the top, or I remember, but I don't want to have to say. So which is it? You didn't answer this question either: As for demonizing people, who would you say does that here more than anybody else? (You're welcome to use your own retrospective definition of demonizing for purposes of this question. But I'm going to read your mind: You aren't going to answer it by identifying anybody.) BTW, deciding that a person who criticizes someone or something thinks they're all bad because they don't recognize the good in the person or thing constitutes mind-reading. So you do indeed mind-read, by your very own admission. Judy, yes, I think I know why turq said he had gone over the top but since I don't mind read, I'm not 100% sure. BTW, I have been equating demonizing with thinking someone is all bad. They're not two separate items for me. Now again, I don't mind read, so when I think someone is demonizing a person or organization, that is, thinking they are all bad, I'm going by not only what they say about them, but also what they don't say. For example, if they also don't recognize the good in that person or organization, that's what I call demonizing. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:38 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Do you remember why he said he had gone over the top, Share? Also--one more time--nobody says anybody on FFL is ALL bad. That's a straw man, and you need to drop it. As for demonizing people, who would you say does that here more than anybody else? Doc, turq did admit to his over the topness at some point in the pundit discussions. I think that's healthy. Do you remember that? No one on FFL is ALL bad. Plus I don't think it's useful to demonize anyone. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: What I am waiting for, Barry, is to hear about your past relationships, with women. I am pretty sure you have not been married before, but if so, SHE dumped you, and that may be the problem with you, right there (they are all cunts and bitches, huh?). Without therapy and a lot of soul searching, such a stressful event could result in you being as sadistic, abusive, self-distracting, and at the same time, scared to death, as you are. Enjoy your day - I'll keep working on this. To help yourself out, I would suggest recognizing the distractions, which come out of your mouth, and shutting them down, until you have faced your past emotional trauma. Thank you for calling me by name - it spurs my interest, in revealing you, to yourself. Love, Doc
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From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice Apparently by law, the pundits are allowed to only work part-time, twenty hours per week. I think we all know that Richard made this up, but even assuming it were true, that would mean that the pandits are paid less than 63 cents per hour for work that the TM movement charges its yagya clients thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for. So far, Richard, Lawson, and Judy seem to have NO PROBLEM with this, and continue to defend the organization that similarly seems to have NO PROBLEM with this. Can you say Cultists? I think you can.
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But if you did say Cultists, you'd be wrong, of course. Apparently by law, the pundits are allowed to only work part-time, twenty hours per week. I think we all know that Richard made this up, but even assuming it were true, that would mean that the pandits are paid less than 63 cents per hour for work that the TM movement charges its yagya clients thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for. So far, Richard, Lawson, and Judy seem to have NO PROBLEM with this, and continue to defend the organization that similarly seems to have NO PROBLEM with this. Can you say Cultists? I think you can.
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We're waiting for you to rush in and correct my math, and point out that it was based on being paid $50 per month, and not the $200 you know it really is, and that therefore they're being paid a generous $2.50 per hour, and that you're perfectly OK with that, while the TMO charges tens of thousands of dollars for their work. I'm gonna stick with the point you're trying to D-E-F-L-E-C-T, and stand on Cultist. :-) From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice But if you did say Cultists, you'd be wrong, of course. Apparently by law, the pundits are allowed to only work part-time, twenty hours per week. I think we all know that Richard made this up, but even assuming it were true, that would mean that the pandits are paid less than 63 cents per hour for work that the TM movement charges its yagya clients thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for. So far, Richard, Lawson, and Judy seem to have NO PROBLEM with this, and continue to defend the organization that similarly seems to have NO PROBLEM with this. Can you say Cultists? I think you can.
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I never said I was perfectly OK with it. You are hallucinating again, as well as reiterating your sophistry about what the pandits are actually paid. For the third time now: I have no reason to believe the pandit program is valuable in terms of furthering world peace. Whether it's of value to the pandits, I have no more idea than Barry does. Last week, yifuxero cited a scholar by the name of Michael Shermer concerning True Believers: TBs tend to believe in Absolutist terms (either l00% true or 100% false) and they can't tolerate situations in which: a. the truth is unknown b. the truth is midway between extremes, or c. simply unknowable, or d. variants such as true some of the time, but at other times not true, or true for some people but not others. In terms of that description, Barry is very much a TB, and I am very much not. We're waiting for you to rush in and correct my math, and point out that it was based on being paid $50 per month, and not the $200 you know it really is, and that therefore they're being paid a generous $2.50 per hour, and that you're perfectly OK with that, while the TMO charges tens of thousands of dollars for their work. I'm gonna stick with the point you're trying to D-E-F-L-E-C-T, and stand on Cultist. :-) From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice But if you did say Cultists, you'd be wrong, of course. Apparently by law, the pundits are allowed to only work part-time, twenty hours per week. I think we all know that Richard made this up, but even assuming it were true, that would mean that the pandits are paid less than 63 cents per hour for work that the TM movement charges its yagya clients thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for. So far, Richard, Lawson, and Judy seem to have NO PROBLEM with this, and continue to defend the organization that similarly seems to have NO PROBLEM with this. Can you say Cultists? I think you can.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. These TM bashers have nothing to say in that regard, making the point, instead, that they are living proponents of a lifetime spent bashing TM, Maharishi, Guru Dev, Hindus, Indians, mantras, pandits, yagyas, and anything else that they attach their failed lifetimes to. This misdirected anger, is then meant to buoy the TM skeptics out there, with the result that they, of course, want to emulate the TM bashers, vs. learning TM. What a joke. For one thing TM strengthens the ability for successful social relationships. Compare that to a TM basher, who sits alone in cafes and his room, watching TV and drinking beer. What would your choice be? Pretty obvious, huh? So, it doesn't work that way. People are attracted to leaders, and those with full hearts. The ones that live in the dark world of criticizing everything, want others to look up to them, but they are consistently crawling around on the ground, making such a desire impossible. I'll Bingo that ! :-) Post of the month, maybe of the year so far. Good work, Doc, I mean it.
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Comments in red ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision and freedom of thought to explore whatever avenue they wanted. It's that that enriches the world not new age foolishness. That, like all religion, holds you still and unevolving, not even question whether Your own ideas are correct. Some enlightenment This is why I never got on on the TMO, they think they know it all when really they are floundering in the dark. If you want examples I've got millions. It's the fundamentalist religious world view that depresses me and not the people that try and see through it. Anyone who challenges the people who make money keeping good folks like yourself in the stone age is fine by me. These TM bashers have nothing to say in that regard, making the point, instead, that they are living proponents of a lifetime spent bashing TM, Maharishi, Guru Dev, Hindus, Indians, mantras, pandits, yagyas, and anything else that they attach their failed lifetimes to. This misdirected anger, is then meant to buoy the TM skeptics out there, with the result that they, of course, want to emulate the TM bashers, vs. learning TM. What a joke. For one thing TM strengthens the ability for successful social relationships. Compare that to a TM basher, who sits alone in cafes and his room, watching TV and drinking beer. What would your choice be? Pretty obvious, huh? You're going to have to help me out, I can't remember anyone here ever slagging off TM, it's just a meditation technique for crissakes. And we've all done it so we all know what it's like and how it compares to others (provided you've had the imagination and desire to learn new things enough to try a different technique). So, it doesn't work that way. People are attracted to leaders, and those with full hearts. The ones that live in the dark world of criticizing everything, want others to look up to them, but they are consistently crawling around on the ground, making such a desire impossible. The other day I heard that the TMO was sued after someone had taken ayurvedic products while pregnant and their child was born with lead poisoning. Not only did the TMO hush it up, they still sell ayurveda as the ultimate system of health care. Talk about crawling around on the ground! Talk about a dark world! My desire is always education and knowledge and breaking free of rigid unhelpful beliefs and thought patterns. To do that you have to challenge what you have been told, I can see you are a long way from that Doc. But to make it easier, think of your own children caged behind barbed wire in a foreign country chanting prayers for the benefit of others. Something you'd be proud of? Pleased with their life choice? Maybe you would, maybe you think it's the highest honour, but you're in the crowd swigging Kool-aid so you can't be said to be objective. Breaking free of cults is hard and the TMO is brilliant at drawing you in with it's implausible rubbish. But we the newly free, will continue to try and help you open your eyes. Consider it a service.
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red Mine in this color ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done so to admit that they *are* lies. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision and freedom of thought to explore whatever avenue they wanted. It's that that enriches the world not new age foolishness. That, like all religion, holds you still and unevolving, not even question whether Your own ideas are correct. Some enlightenment I find it interesting that so far in all of this pandit kerfuffle, NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS PROPOSED A REASON WHY THE PUNDITS' CHANTING WOULD DO *ANYTHING* OF VALUE. Not one. Not Lawson, not Judy, not Jim Flanegin/Doctordumbass, not Nabby -- NO ONE. That's because they can't. The ONLY reason they blindly support this fairly obvious form of modern slavery and cynical exploitation of the gullible is because of one word -- Maharishisez. This is why I never got on on the TMO, they think they know it all when really they are floundering in the dark. If you want examples I've got millions. It's the fundamentalist religious world view that depresses me and not the people that try and see through it. Anyone who challenges the people who make money keeping good folks like yourself in the stone age is fine by me. This also amazes me -- their inability to realize when their backs are against the wall, and that they are pursuing a course that will END the TM movement. The biggest failing in this whole scenario IMO is that they've obviously hired a True Believer (Goldstein) as their lawyer and mouthpiece instead of a real lawyer. Any real lawyer would have looked at the facts and advised them (the TMO in America) to distance themselves as quickly as possible from Girish Varma, his Indian Mafia, his history of being a rapist, and his ongoing scams to exploit poor families in India to use their sons as slave labor for their cash-creation schemes. These TM bashers have nothing to say in that regard, making the point, instead, that they are living proponents of a lifetime spent
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Sorry, my bad below. The pandits are paid $1.66 per DAY, not per hour. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice My desire is always education and knowledge and breaking free of rigid unhelpful beliefs and thought patterns. To do that you have to challenge what you have been told, I can see you are a long way from that Doc. But to make it easier, think of your own children caged behind barbed wire in a foreign country chanting prayers for the benefit of others. Being paid $1.66 an hour to do so, while the TM movement charges thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for the benefits they're providing. Something you'd be proud of? Pleased with their life choice? Maybe you would, maybe you think it's the highest honour, but you're in the crowd swigging Kool-aid so you can't be said to be objective. Breaking free of cults is hard and the TMO is brilliant at drawing you in with it's implausible rubbish. But we the newly free, will continue to try and help you open your eyes. Consider it a service. And -- unlike the TM movement -- we're not even charging you for it...
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red Mine in this color Just a few more from me in this, erm, cerise (?) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done so to admit that they *are* lies. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision and freedom of thought to explore whatever avenue they wanted. It's that that enriches the world not new age foolishness. That, like all religion, holds you still and unevolving, not even question whether Your own ideas are correct. Some enlightenment I find it interesting that so far in all of this pandit kerfuffle, NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS PROPOSED A REASON WHY THE PUNDITS' CHANTING WOULD DO *ANYTHING* OF VALUE. Not one. Not Lawson, not Judy, not Jim Flanegin/Doctordumbass, not Nabby -- NO ONE. Apparently that's because they are two seperate issues, which I find odd because if it actually works it would justify pretty much any amount of people chanting all day Indian, or not. And it's not even the whirled peas, think of the new knowledge for science if we could prove that somehow the gods listen to our prayers. That's the sort of thing that used to get me excited about paranormal research but there are only so many nil-results before you have to move on to something a bit more likely. That's because they can't. The ONLY reason they blindly support this fairly obvious form of modern slavery and cynical exploitation of the gullible is because of one word -- Maharishisez. I endlessly thank Stephen Hawking for the fact that I never completely took the flight to Marshysezland, if I hadn't read A Brief History of Time I wouldn't have questioned the biggest aspect of the knowledge from day one. Actually I'm a questioner anyway but his chapter on Einstein and the search for the unified field made me sit up and say WTF? on the second day of checking when we learned about Marshy's viewpoint. Phew, saved me a lot of hard work later on that did. This is why I never got on on the TMO
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Here's the interesting thing: While painting himself and the other TM critics as practically saintly for calling attention to the dishonesty of the TMO, Barry himself continues to lie like a rug: I find it interesting that so far in all of this pandit kerfuffle, NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS PROPOSED A REASON WHY THE PUNDITS' CHANTING WOULD DO *ANYTHING* OF VALUE. Not one. Not Lawson, not Judy, not Jim Flanegin/Doctordumbass, not Nabby -- NO ONE. That's because they can't. The ONLY reason they blindly support this fairly obvious form of modern slavery and cynical exploitation of the gullible is because of one word -- Maharishisez. As Barry knows, here's what I said to him only a week ago, in direct response to his question: As far as the pundit program is concerned, I have no reason to believe it's valuable in terms of furthering world peace. Whether it's of value to the pundits, I have no more idea than Barry does. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/376222 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/376222 So much for what Barry calls my blind support of the pundit program.
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What I am waiting for, Barry, is to hear about your past relationships, with women. I am pretty sure you have not been married before, but if so, SHE dumped you, and that may be the problem with you, right there (they are all cunts and bitches, huh?). Without therapy and a lot of soul searching, such a stressful event could result in you being as sadistic, abusive, self-distracting, and at the same time, scared to death, as you are. Enjoy your day - I'll keep working on this. To help yourself out, I would suggest recognizing the distractions, which come out of your mouth, and shutting them down, until you have faced your past emotional trauma. Thank you for calling me by name - it spurs my interest, in revealing you, to yourself. Love, Doc ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red Mine in this color ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done so to admit that they *are* lies. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision and freedom of thought to explore whatever avenue they wanted. It's that that enriches the world not new age foolishness. That, like all religion, holds you still and unevolving, not even question whether Your own ideas are correct. Some enlightenment I find it interesting that so far in all of this pandit kerfuffle, NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS PROPOSED A REASON WHY THE PUNDITS' CHANTING WOULD DO *ANYTHING* OF VALUE. Not one. Not Lawson, not Judy, not Jim Flanegin/Doctordumbass, not Nabby -- NO ONE. That's because they can't. The ONLY reason they blindly support this fairly obvious form of modern slavery and cynical exploitation of the gullible is because of one word -- Maharishisez. This is why I never got on on the TMO, they think they know it all when really they are floundering in the dark. If you want examples I've got millions. It's the fundamentalist religious world view that depresses me and not the people that try and see through it. Anyone who challenges the people who make money keeping good
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Oh c'mon, the folks bashing yagyas and sidhis and the rest, ARE NOT on the forefront of some new revelation - It is the same old shit I have been reading about for years. The reality that you and a couple of others are able to look at these elements, objectively, finally, and find a flaw or two, is not news. It is boring, and like watching 3rd graders delight in simple math. Nope, what I see here, is a lot of distraction and misdirection from personal issues. I do quite agree that something has happened to Barry, in the past, most likely with a woman, and he hasn't been the same since. I could not care less about anyone saying negative crap about the TMO, or even a reasoned argument, as you have written. Doesn't matter to me. I don't have anything to do with the TMO - Just like the critics. I am looking for some personal honesty, though, and I don't turn away from seeing someone as clearly damaged as Barry is, simply because he draws an image of Maharishi butt-fucking the Pope. I continue to focus on the damage, and not the distraction. Get it? I hope so.
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On 3/19/2014 10:45 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: So, it doesn't work that way. People are attracted to leaders, and those with full hearts. The ones that live in the dark world of criticizing everything, want others to look up to them, but they are consistently crawling around on the ground, making such a desire impossible. Post of the month, maybe of the year so far. Good work, Doc, I mean it. Good work, Doc!
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Doc, turq did admit to his over the topness at some point in the pundit discussions. I think that's healthy. Do you remember that? No one on FFL is ALL bad. Plus I don't think it's useful to demonize anyone. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:51 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: What I am waiting for, Barry, is to hear about your past relationships, with women. I am pretty sure you have not been married before, but if so, SHE dumped you, and that may be the problem with you, right there (they are all cunts and bitches, huh?). Without therapy and a lot of soul searching, such a stressful event could result in you being as sadistic, abusive, self-distracting, and at the same time, scared to death, as you are. Enjoy your day - I'll keep working on this. To help yourself out, I would suggest recognizing the distractions, which come out of your mouth, and shutting them down, until you have faced your past emotional trauma. Thank you for calling me by name - it spurs my interest, in revealing you, to yourself. Love, Doc ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red Mine in this color ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done so to admit that they *are* lies. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision and freedom of thought to explore whatever avenue they wanted. It's that that enriches the world not new age foolishness. That, like all religion, holds you still and unevolving, not even question whether Your own ideas are correct. Some enlightenment I find it interesting that so far in all of this pandit kerfuffle, NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS PROPOSED A REASON WHY THE PUNDITS' CHANTING WOULD DO *ANYTHING* OF VALUE. Not one. Not Lawson, not Judy, not Jim Flanegin/Doctordumbass, not Nabby -- NO ONE. That's because they can't. The ONLY reason they blindly support this fairly obvious form of modern slavery and cynical exploitation of the gullible is because of one word -- Maharishisez. This is why I never got
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Why the left turn, down a dirt road? What you have written, has nothing to do with what I have written. I have no idea how to respond to you. Please examine your assumptions, below, and get back to me, if you want to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, turq did admit to his over the topness at some point in the pundit discussions. I think that's healthy. Do you remember that? No one on FFL is ALL bad. Plus I don't think it's useful to demonize anyone. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: What I am waiting for, Barry, is to hear about your past relationships, with women. I am pretty sure you have not been married before, but if so, SHE dumped you, and that may be the problem with you, right there (they are all cunts and bitches, huh?). Without therapy and a lot of soul searching, such a stressful event could result in you being as sadistic, abusive, self-distracting, and at the same time, scared to death, as you are. Enjoy your day - I'll keep working on this. To help yourself out, I would suggest recognizing the distractions, which come out of your mouth, and shutting them down, until you have faced your past emotional trauma. Thank you for calling me by name - it spurs my interest, in revealing you, to yourself. Love, Doc ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red Mine in this color ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done so to admit that they *are* lies. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision and freedom of thought to explore whatever avenue they wanted. It's that that enriches the world not new age foolishness. That, like all religion, holds you still and unevolving, not even question whether Your own ideas are correct. Some enlightenment I find it interesting that so far in all of this pandit kerfuffle, NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS PROPOSED A REASON WHY THE PUNDITS' CHANTING WOULD DO *ANYTHING* OF VALUE. Not one. Not Lawson
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Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:58 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Why the left turn, down a dirt road? What you have written, has nothing to do with what I have written. I have no idea how to respond to you. Please examine your assumptions, below, and get back to me, if you want to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, turq did admit to his over the topness at some point in the pundit discussions. I think that's healthy. Do you remember that? No one on FFL is ALL bad. Plus I don't think it's useful to demonize anyone. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: What I am waiting for, Barry, is to hear about your past relationships, with women. I am pretty sure you have not been married before, but if so, SHE dumped you, and that may be the problem with you, right there (they are all cunts and bitches, huh?). Without therapy and a lot of soul searching, such a stressful event could result in you being as sadistic, abusive, self-distracting, and at the same time, scared to death, as you are. Enjoy your day - I'll keep working on this. To help yourself out, I would suggest recognizing the distractions, which come out of your mouth, and shutting them down, until you have faced your past emotional trauma. Thank you for calling me by name - it spurs my interest, in revealing you, to yourself. Love, Doc ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red Mine in this color ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done so to admit that they *are* lies. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision
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Do you remember why he said he had gone over the top, Share? Also--one more time--nobody says anybody on FFL is ALL bad. That's a straw man, and you need to drop it. As for demonizing people, who would you say does that here more than anybody else? Doc, turq did admit to his over the topness at some point in the pundit discussions. I think that's healthy. Do you remember that? No one on FFL is ALL bad. Plus I don't think it's useful to demonize anyone. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: What I am waiting for, Barry, is to hear about your past relationships, with women. I am pretty sure you have not been married before, but if so, SHE dumped you, and that may be the problem with you, right there (they are all cunts and bitches, huh?). Without therapy and a lot of soul searching, such a stressful event could result in you being as sadistic, abusive, self-distracting, and at the same time, scared to death, as you are. Enjoy your day - I'll keep working on this. To help yourself out, I would suggest recognizing the distractions, which come out of your mouth, and shutting them down, until you have faced your past emotional trauma. Thank you for calling me by name - it spurs my interest, in revealing you, to yourself. Love, Doc
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
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Share, this is all in your own mind and if I saw a post like that come out of me, I would take a serious look at the assumptions behind it in my own head and heart. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:58 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: Why the left turn, down a dirt road? What you have written, has nothing to do with what I have written. I have no idea how to respond to you. Please examine your assumptions, below, and get back to me, if you want to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, turq did admit to his over the topness at some point in the pundit discussions. I think that's healthy. Do you remember that? No one on FFL is ALL bad. Plus I don't think it's useful to demonize anyone. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: What I am waiting for, Barry, is to hear about your past relationships, with women. I am pretty sure you have not been married before, but if so, SHE dumped you, and that may be the problem with you, right there (they are all cunts and bitches, huh?). Without therapy and a lot of soul searching, such a stressful event could result in you being as sadistic, abusive, self-distracting, and at the same time, scared to death, as you are. Enjoy your day - I'll keep working on this. To help yourself out, I would suggest recognizing the distractions, which come out of your mouth, and shutting them down, until you have faced your past emotional trauma. Thank you for calling me by name - it spurs my interest, in revealing you, to yourself. Love, Doc ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red Mine in this color ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done
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Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:44 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
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Share, you are missing the point, yet again. There is no demonizing going on except in your own mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:44 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
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jeez, Emily, talk about missing the point! I said I was demonizing the demonizers. But maybe you just wanted to echo that when you said demonizing was going on in my own mind. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:23 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, you are missing the point, yet again. There is no demonizing going on except in your own mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:44 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
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No, Emily didn't miss the point, you did. If you say you are demonizing the demonizers, that means you think there are demonizers to be demonized. Emily's telling you there aren't any demonizers except those in your imagination. Get it now? It's pretty simple. jeez, Emily, talk about missing the point! I said I was demonizing the demonizers. But maybe you just wanted to echo that when you said demonizing was going on in my own mind. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:23 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Share, you are missing the point, yet again. There is no demonizing going on except in your own mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:44 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
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Correct. Share, the point is that if you continue to use the word demonize, regardless of whether you attribute it to yourself or others, you are still indicating that you believe this is going on, which I am saying and which Judy is saying, is going on in your imagination, only. Maybe you should unpack that word for yourself so you understand what it means, really. I looked it up - you are way off base using this term. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : No, Emily didn't miss the point, you did. If you say you are demonizing the demonizers, that means you think there are demonizers to be demonized. Emily's telling you there aren't any demonizers except those in your imagination. Get it now? It's pretty simple. jeez, Emily, talk about missing the point! I said I was demonizing the demonizers. But maybe you just wanted to echo that when you said demonizing was going on in my own mind. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:23 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Share, you are missing the point, yet again. There is no demonizing going on except in your own mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:44 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
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Emily, Share picked it up from Barry. It's his term; he uses it all the time, claiming it's what his critics are doing to him. I have on occasion used it back at him, because his attacks on his critics are so much worse than anything they say about him. I think one could say that if anybody does anything resembling demonizing around here, it's Barry. Correct. Share, the point is that if you continue to use the word demonize, regardless of whether you attribute it to yourself or others, you are still indicating that you believe this is going on, which I am saying and which Judy is saying, is going on in your imagination, only. Maybe you should unpack that word for yourself so you understand what it means, really. I looked it up - you are way off base using this term. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : No, Emily didn't miss the point, you did. If you say you are demonizing the demonizers, that means you think there are demonizers to be demonized. Emily's telling you there aren't any demonizers except those in your imagination. Get it now? It's pretty simple. jeez, Emily, talk about missing the point! I said I was demonizing the demonizers. But maybe you just wanted to echo that when you said demonizing was going on in my own mind. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:23 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Share, you are missing the point, yet again. There is no demonizing going on except in your own mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:44 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
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Speaking of , demonizing, remember, martinizing? Maybe we should do more of that around here. Or simonizing. After awhile, I used to mentally read the sign, as, Martini Zing!, whenever I'd see a dry cleaner, offering that option. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Emily, Share picked it up from Barry. It's his term; he uses it all the time, claiming it's what his critics are doing to him. I have on occasion used it back at him, because his attacks on his critics are so much worse than anything they say about him. I think one could say that if anybody does anything resembling demonizing around here, it's Barry. Correct. Share, the point is that if you continue to use the word demonize, regardless of whether you attribute it to yourself or others, you are still indicating that you believe this is going on, which I am saying and which Judy is saying, is going on in your imagination, only. Maybe you should unpack that word for yourself so you understand what it means, really. I looked it up - you are way off base using this term. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : No, Emily didn't miss the point, you did. If you say you are demonizing the demonizers, that means you think there are demonizers to be demonized. Emily's telling you there aren't any demonizers except those in your imagination. Get it now? It's pretty simple. jeez, Emily, talk about missing the point! I said I was demonizing the demonizers. But maybe you just wanted to echo that when you said demonizing was going on in my own mind. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:23 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Share, you are missing the point, yet again. There is no demonizing going on except in your own mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:44 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
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I'll bet you can really wax eloquent after a few martinis! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Speaking of , demonizing, remember, martinizing? Maybe we should do more of that around here. Or simonizing. After awhile, I used to mentally read the sign, as, Martini Zing!, whenever I'd see a dry cleaner, offering that option. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Emily, Share picked it up from Barry. It's his term; he uses it all the time, claiming it's what his critics are doing to him. I have on occasion used it back at him, because his attacks on his critics are so much worse than anything they say about him. I think one could say that if anybody does anything resembling demonizing around here, it's Barry. Correct. Share, the point is that if you continue to use the word demonize, regardless of whether you attribute it to yourself or others, you are still indicating that you believe this is going on, which I am saying and which Judy is saying, is going on in your imagination, only. Maybe you should unpack that word for yourself so you understand what it means, really. I looked it up - you are way off base using this term. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : No, Emily didn't miss the point, you did. If you say you are demonizing the demonizers, that means you think there are demonizers to be demonized. Emily's telling you there aren't any demonizers except those in your imagination. Get it now? It's pretty simple. jeez, Emily, talk about missing the point! I said I was demonizing the demonizers. But maybe you just wanted to echo that when you said demonizing was going on in my own mind. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:23 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Share, you are missing the point, yet again. There is no demonizing going on except in your own mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:44 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
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On 3/20/2014 12:07 PM, Share Long wrote: But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. I've been demonized on FFL for years, Share - by Barry and Judy and a few other informants. Barry once said I was a stupid prairie dog fucker for being born in Texas - everyone knows I only screw up groundhogs. It's not complicated. Judy once called me a slime-ball because of a political opinion I once posted. Hillary Clinton IS a liar - everyone already knew that. Go figure. It's been over ten years and they are still demonizing me and that probably won't change. Now it looks like they are out to demonize you. So, thanks for pointing out their low-down racist, nit-picking, ankle-biting, demonizing tactics. Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever you do with your time doesn't seem to fill enough of it lately, and you've been going out of your way to associate me with Rama and thus with a big, bad cult figure, I figure I should explain a couple of things. - Uncle Tantra
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! Thanks, but most of these weren't points but questions and you failed to answer one of them. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:44 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/20/2014 12:07 PM, Share Long wrote: But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. I've been demonized on FFL for years, Share - by Barry and Judy and a few other informants. Barry once said I was a stupid prairie dog fucker for being born in Texas - everyone knows I only screw up groundhogs. It's not complicated. Judy once called me a slime-ball because of a political opinion I once posted. Hillary Clinton IS a liar - everyone already knew that. Go figure. It's been over ten years and they are still demonizing me and that probably won't change. Now it looks like they are out to demonize you. So, thanks for pointing out their low-down racist, nit-picking, ankle-biting, demonizing tactics. Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever you do with your time doesn't seem to fill enough of it lately, and you've been going out of your way to associate me with Rama and thus with a big, bad cult figure, I figure I should explain a couple of things. - Uncle Tantra Oh poor you - Bawwy then proceeded to bore you to death, no doubt.
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On 3/20/2014 9:01 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! Thanks, but most of these weren't points but questions and you failed to answer one of them. Maybe Share's job is not to answer questions, but to question answers. Everyone knows they have a little demon in them - that's what causes the ankle-biting. That little demon inside MJ made him think Buck was trying to kill him. That little demon in Barry made him think he could get away with bullshitting Shemp McGurk about the Rama levitation event. Now I've got a question: If it takes a chicken and a half a day and a half to lay an egg and a half, how long does it take a monkey with a wooden leg to fly out of my butt holding a dill pickle? Go figure.
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On 3/20/2014 9:14 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever you do with your time doesn't seem to fill enough of it lately, and you've been going out of your way to associate me with Rama and thus with a big, bad cult figure,I figure I should explain a couple of things. - Uncle Tantra Oh poor you - Bawwy then proceeded to bore you to death, no doubt. The quote above was about the most interesting part, considering that Barry is also from Texas, but now he's all hat, no cattle.
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Absolutely, and I drive *better*, too!
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/20/2014 9:01 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! Thanks, but most of these weren't points but questions and you failed to answer one of them. Maybe Share's job is not to answer questions, but to question answers. Everyone knows they have a little demon in them - that's what causes the ankle-biting. That little demon inside MJ made him think Buck was trying to kill him. That little demon in Barry made him think he could get away with bullshitting Shemp McGurk about the Rama levitation event. Now I've got a question: If it takes a chicken and a half a day and a half to lay an egg and a half, how long does it take a monkey with a wooden leg to fly out of my butt holding a dill pickle? Go figure. You really got Emily questioning your mental health today. Good work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
MUCH better to be enjoying the flute and guitar, eh? :-) People that simply strum their egos to make noise really bore me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Bingo ! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. These TM bashers have nothing to say in that regard, making the point, instead, that they are living proponents of a lifetime spent bashing TM, Maharishi, Guru Dev, Hindus, Indians, mantras, pandits, yagyas, and anything else that they attach their failed lifetimes to. This misdirected anger, is then meant to buoy the TM skeptics out there, with the result that they, of course, want to emulate the TM bashers, vs. learning TM. What a joke. For one thing TM strengthens the ability for successful social relationships. Compare that to a TM basher, who sits alone in cafes and his room, watching TV and drinking beer. What would your choice be? Pretty obvious, huh? So, it doesn't work that way. People are attracted to leaders, and those with full hearts. The ones that live in the dark world of criticizing everything, want others to look up to them, but they are consistently crawling around on the ground, making such a desire impossible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
Bingo ! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. These TM bashers have nothing to say in that regard, making the point, instead, that they are living proponents of a lifetime spent bashing TM, Maharishi, Guru Dev, Hindus, Indians, mantras, pandits, yagyas, and anything else that they attach their failed lifetimes to. This misdirected anger, is then meant to buoy the TM skeptics out there, with the result that they, of course, want to emulate the TM bashers, vs. learning TM. What a joke. For one thing TM strengthens the ability for successful social relationships. Compare that to a TM basher, who sits alone in cafes and his room, watching TV and drinking beer. What would your choice be? Pretty obvious, huh? So, it doesn't work that way. People are attracted to leaders, and those with full hearts. The ones that live in the dark world of criticizing everything, want others to look up to them, but they are consistently crawling around on the ground, making such a desire impossible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. These TM bashers have nothing to say in that regard, making the point, instead, that they are living proponents of a lifetime spent bashing TM, Maharishi, Guru Dev, Hindus, Indians, mantras, pandits, yagyas, and anything else that they attach their failed lifetimes to. This misdirected anger, is then meant to buoy the TM skeptics out there, with the result that they, of course, want to emulate the TM bashers, vs. learning TM. What a joke. For one thing TM strengthens the ability for successful social relationships. Compare that to a TM basher, who sits alone in cafes and his room, watching TV and drinking beer. What would your choice be? Pretty obvious, huh? So, it doesn't work that way. People are attracted to leaders, and those with full hearts. The ones that live in the dark world of criticizing everything, want others to look up to them, but they are consistently crawling around on the ground, making such a desire impossible. Post of the month, maybe of the year so far. Good work, Doc, I mean it.
