[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: snip I would be really curious to know how many people on this list drink two 6oz. glasses of wine each day and can claim that they feel no difference in the experience of deep meditation. If you drink right before you meditate, of course you're going to feel a difference. But alcohol gets metabolized by the system fairly quickly, so if you have a shot or two of something before you go to bed, say, at least in my experience, it doesn't affect meditation the next morning. Sometimes I have a drink before bed, sometimes I don't, and I've never noticed any difference. FWIW, a former boyfriend of mine who was a TMer would have profound witnessing experiences if he so much as drank a glass of beer. That's never happened to me! This (profound witnessing after having a drink or two) is far from uncommon. It is *all over* the literature of Tibet and India and Japan, an integral part of many of the stories about enlightened teachers there. The Sixth Dalai Lama used to drink everyone under the table and *then* stand up and create spontaneous poetry in Sanskrit that still hasn't been rivaled by any other Tibetan spiritual poet. The Zen Master poets Ikkyu and Bankei were famous for creating their best and most spir- itual poems and teachings while drunk. Hell, have you ever read any of Chogyam Trungpa's books? He wrote most of them *while* drunk. Go figure. Repeat after me: DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFERENT FOLKS! The whole problem is that people are trying to come up with some rule or law that says Booze is bad for you...if you are spiritual you have nothing to do with it Well, I'm sorry, but life is just not that simple, or simple-minded. It's the same thing with TM. Some here like it, and think it's a great technique of meditation that has taken them to some of the highest experiences they've ever had. Others think of it as a beginner's technique that got them started with meditation, but that it pales in comparison with other techniques they learned later on. BOTH sets of people would be RIGHT. For them. Any shades of gray in between would be RIGHT. For them. There are no panaceas or solutions or rules that work for everyone. Get over it. Very different with pot, again in my experience (many years ago). But there again, look into it and you will find whole spiritual traditions in India that smoke hashish as a sacrament, and in *huge* quantities. Different strokes for different folks. I jumped into this whole tempest in a shot glass because a couple of people got stupid behind the subject. One tried to declare alcohol a poison, as if there were no other point of view on the subject, and the other tried to say that the fact that he didn't drink made him somehow better than those who do. That's just elitism. It has nothing to do with fact, or with health, or with spiritual devel- opment. There are MANY stories out there in the world of spirituality about the use of alcohol, some of them within Shankara's own tradition. For me, the bottom line is simple. If you don't like to drink, don't drink. That's your right, and your choice. But when you start claiming that having made that choice makes you better than some other human being on this planet, IMO you've turned into something a great deal more offensive than a drunk.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
Mark David Chapman described his shooting of John Lennon as witnessing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: snip I would be really curious to know how many people on this list drink two 6oz. glasses of wine each day and can claim that they feel no difference in the experience of deep meditation. If you drink right before you meditate, of course you're going to feel a difference. But alcohol gets metabolized by the system fairly quickly, so if you have a shot or two of something before you go to bed, say, at least in my experience, it doesn't affect meditation the next morning. Sometimes I have a drink before bed, sometimes I don't, and I've never noticed any difference. FWIW, a former boyfriend of mine who was a TMer would have profound witnessing experiences if he so much as drank a glass of beer. That's never happened to me! This (profound witnessing after having a drink or two) is far from uncommon. It is *all over* the literature of Tibet and India and Japan, an integral part of many of the stories about enlightened teachers there. The Sixth Dalai Lama used to drink everyone under the table and *then* stand up and create spontaneous poetry in Sanskrit that still hasn't been rivaled by any other Tibetan spiritual poet. The Zen Master poets Ikkyu and Bankei were famous for creating their best and most spir- itual poems and teachings while drunk. Hell, have you ever read any of Chogyam Trungpa's books? He wrote most of them *while* drunk. Go figure. Repeat after me: DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFERENT FOLKS! The whole problem is that people are trying to come up with some rule or law that says Booze is bad for you...if you are spiritual you have nothing to do with it Well, I'm sorry, but life is just not that simple, or simple-minded. It's the same thing with TM. Some here like it, and think it's a great technique of meditation that has taken them to some of the highest experiences they've ever had. Others think of it as a beginner's technique that got them started with meditation, but that it pales in comparison with other techniques they learned later on. BOTH sets of people would be RIGHT. For them. Any shades of gray in between would be RIGHT. For them. There are no panaceas or solutions or rules that work for everyone. Get over it. Very different with pot, again in my experience (many years ago). But there again, look into it and you will find whole spiritual traditions in India that smoke hashish as a sacrament, and in *huge* quantities. Different strokes for different folks. I jumped into this whole tempest in a shot glass because a couple of people got stupid behind the subject. One tried to declare alcohol a poison, as if there were no other point of view on the subject, and the other tried to say that the fact that he didn't drink made him somehow better than those who do. That's just elitism. It has nothing to do with fact, or with health, or with spiritual devel- opment. There are MANY stories out there in the world of spirituality about the use of alcohol, some of them within Shankara's own tradition. For me, the bottom line is simple. If you don't like to drink, don't drink. That's your right, and your choice. But when you start claiming that having made that choice makes you better than some other human being on this planet, IMO you've turned into something a great deal more offensive than a drunk.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip FWIW, a former boyfriend of mine who was a TMer would have profound witnessing experiences if he so much as drank a glass of beer. That's never happened to me! This (profound witnessing after having a drink or two) is far from uncommon. It is *all over* the literature of Tibet and India and Japan, an integral part of many of the stories about enlightened teachers there. Yeah, except what we're talking about is how alcohol affects folks who *aren't* yet enlightened. snip Very different with pot, again in my experience (many years ago). But there again, look into it and you will find whole spiritual traditions in India that smoke hashish as a sacrament, and in *huge* quantities. Different strokes for different folks. Or maybe different qualities of THC... In any case, the practice of these traditions would seem to confirm what *I* said, that pot *does* affect one's meditation. (Unless these groups don't meditate, of course.) What we're debating here is whether psychoactive substances such as alcohol and pot interfere with one's progress toward enlightenment. So far, nothing that anyone has said constitutes actual evidence one way or the other.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip FWIW, a former boyfriend of mine who was a TMer would have profound witnessing experiences if he so much as drank a glass of beer. That's never happened to me! This (profound witnessing after having a drink or two) is far from uncommon. It is *all over* the literature of Tibet and India and Japan, an integral part of many of the stories about enlightened teachers there. Yeah, except what we're talking about is how alcohol affects folks who *aren't* yet enlightened. Everyone is always already enlightened. Some don't realize it yet, that's all. That's not just a throwaway neoAdvaitan oneliner; it's a very accurate way of describing the supposed difference between the enlightened and those who don't realize yet that they are enlightened. In other words, enlightenment *may* have nothing whatsoever to do with any physiological differences. It may be simply a matter of recognition. If it is, then alcohol or any other psychotropic substance may affect the enlightened *exactly* the same as it affects the so-called unenlightened because there has never been a point at which anyone was ever unenlightened. I'm riffing on alternative language here Jude, trying to get you to see that your choice of language creates a possibly artificial distinction between enlightened and non-enlightened, and is narrowing your field of possibilities, as opposed to expanding it. snip Very different with pot, again in my experience (many years ago). But there again, look into it and you will find whole spiritual traditions in India that smoke hashish as a sacrament, and in *huge* quantities. Different strokes for different folks. Or maybe different qualities of THC... In any case, the practice of these traditions would seem to confirm what *I* said, that pot *does* affect one's meditation. (Unless these groups don't meditate, of course.) What we're debating here is whether psychoactive substances such as alcohol and pot interfere with one's progress toward enlightenment. And again, you are assuming the unenlightened model, which believes that progress *has* to be made towards enlightenment. If you shift to another equally accurate model and description of the process -- that everyone is always already enlightened and that the *only* thing that marks enlightenment is a realization of what has always already been going on -- then there is no progress possible. So far, nothing that anyone has said constitutes actual evidence one way or the other. I would extend that statement to a description of the entirety of human history: So far, nothing that anyone has said about *anything* constitutes actual evidence one way or another. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip FWIW, a former boyfriend of mine who was a TMer would have profound witnessing experiences if he so much as drank a glass of beer. That's never happened to me! This (profound witnessing after having a drink or two) is far from uncommon. It is *all over* the literature of Tibet and India and Japan, an integral part of many of the stories about enlightened teachers there. Yeah, except what we're talking about is how alcohol affects folks who *aren't* yet enlightened. Everyone is always already enlightened. Some don't realize it yet, that's all. That's not just a throwaway neoAdvaitan oneliner; Sure it is. snip What we're debating here is whether psychoactive substances such as alcohol and pot interfere with one's progress toward enlightenment. And again, you are assuming the unenlightened model, which believes that progress *has* to be made towards enlightenment. If you shift to another equally accurate model and description of the process -- that everyone is always already enlightened and that the *only* thing that marks enlightenment is a realization of what has always already been going on -- then there is no progress possible. Except progress toward realization of what has always already been going on. See, the reason it's a throwaway neo-Advaita one-liner is that the distinction is still there, only now it's called not realizing vs. realizing what has always already been going on instead of unenlightened vs. enlightened. In other words: unenlightened = not realizing what has always already been going on enlightened = realizing what has always already been going on It's the same distinction. So all I have to do is change my wording: What we're debating here is whether psychoactive substances such as alcohol and pot interfere with one's progress toward realizing what has always already been going on. The only difference is that my original wording uses fewer words; the meaning is identical.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
snip snip What we're debating here is whether psychoactive substances such as alcohol and pot interfere with one's progress toward enlightenment. And again, you are assuming the unenlightened model, which believes that progress *has* to be made towards enlightenment. If you shift to another equally accurate model and description of the process -- that everyone is always already enlightened and that the *only* thing that marks enlightenment is a realization of what has always already been going on -- then there is no progress possible. Except progress toward realization of what has always already been going on. See, the reason it's a throwaway neo-Advaita one-liner is that the distinction is still there, only now it's called not realizing vs. realizing what has always already been going on instead of unenlightened vs. enlightened. In other words: unenlightened = not realizing what has always already been going on enlightened = realizing what has always already been going on It's the same distinction. So all I have to do is change my wording: What we're debating here is whether psychoactive substances such as alcohol and pot interfere with one's progress toward realizing what has always already been going on. The only difference is that my original wording uses fewer words; the meaning is identical. and because 'realizing' is the essential criteria and because 'not realizing' is devoid of meaning and what has always already been going on is not an object Libations: sometimes one has to stumble, to stumble onto something.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
Barry writes snipped: And again, you are assuming the unenlightened model, which believes that progress *has* to be made towards enlightenment. If you shift to another equally accurate model and description of the process -- that everyone is always already enlightened and that the *only* thing that marks enlightenment is a realization of what has always already been going on -- then there is no progress possible. TomT: The reason it is called ignorance is that one actually is able to ignore that which they always have been and will always be. It is not called stupid or smart or arrogant or gratuitous or a lie it is called IGNORANCE. Name and form.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry that your body is so out of balance that it can't handle a glass of wine without becoming dull. But to believe that this disability makes you better than those who do not have such a limitation? Turq, I'm thinking it may be because our brains are not made of a spunge like material so it doesn't absorb the alcohol in our brains causing the anesthesia effect that plagues him. In our non spunge like brains, the unabsorbed alcohol can get to the brain's charming repartee centers where it does the most good! Last I checked, 'spunge' was a colloquialism for ejaculate. I suspect that if one's brain IS made of spunge, alcohol might make it dull. Those of us with regular brains can probably skate by with just a light buzz and an apprec- iation of the smells and flavors of a good Cabernet. :-) The thing is, people on these forums sometimes forget how WEIRD they are compared to the world they live in. They believe that a glass of wine makes them dull and poisons them. Some of them believe that *ice cream* is bad for them. If that's how they choose to live their lives, cool. I have no problem with what they choose to believe. But when they try to present the weird things they've chosen to believe as if believing them makes them BETTER than other people in the world? Sorry...I'm not buyin' that. All 'me' and no glass 'o wine with a good meal makes Jack a dull egofuckin'maniac.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
Buh...buh...buh...but Curtis, you just don't understand! All these things you describe below are RELATIVE phen- omena. They have to do with the fallen aspect of life on Earth. You know, the planet that Maharishi refers to as this horrible place. How could you possibly find ANYTHING charming or fasc- inating about anything that happens in Maya. The alcohol must have REALLY dulled your brain if you are finding such things satisfying in any way. Everyone who is evolved knows that the only thing that can ever *really* satisfy is sitting with eyes closed lost in the bliss of the Absolute. End of story. Eating? That's just something we have to do from time to time so that we can continue to meditate. It's a horrible distraction from the bliss of the Absolute, but it's one of those drawbacks of having a body. Someday (soon, we hope) we won't have them any more, and then we can stay in the bliss ALL the time and NEVER have to stop meditating. Same with talking to all those horrible people. Some of the ones you mentioned don't even MEDITATE, for Krishnassake! How can you lower yourself to be in the same *room* with them, much less speak to them and share horrible, dulling alcohol with them. Friends? What are those. Isn't that another word for something that distracts you from the Absolute? As for sharing a drink with your father, I guess that's OK if he meditates and if you have to spend some time out of meditation hitting him up for money so that you can spend more time in meditation, the way we really evolved souls do. Get with the program, Curtis. This alcohol stuff has so dulled your mind that you have started to believe that life is something to be enjoyed and not something to run away from. That's Off The Program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe the spounge analagy was misplaced, but acting as an anesthetic it creates dullness. I understand the alcohol bad position and lived it for years. If that is how you enjoy to live, good for you. Dullness is the last attribute I would give alcohol's effect if you don't drink too much, and drink with the right people. Removing the drink from the set and setting that it can enhance, misses the point IMO. It can be a part of social customs and cuisines that I enjoy. A chilled martini at a jazz club with an acoustic jazz trio in the background. Some top shelf bourbon bought for you by a young couple after your last set, who had never listened to acoustic blues before, and have many questions about what blues artists they should download. A bottle of local Virginia wine over dinner with a friend who just came back from visiting Africa and has many stories to share. A chilled Czech Pilsner Urquell beer at boating picnic while eating Chesapeake Bay crabs. Greek brandy with your Greek friends as they tell you about how they survived during WWII in Greece on an olive farm, while eating sheep feta cheese and dipping crusty bread into oil from this year's olive harvest. Toasts with Hennessey cognac with the bridal party at your Vietnamese friend's wedding after all the other guests have left. A friend's homemade wine at their farm after riding their horses. Joining a Thai friend as he closes up his restaurant and eating home style fiery hot Thai food with the staff with Thai Singha beer. Drinking chilled vodka shots with your Russian girlfriend over the traditional meal she cooked for you. Sharing the Brazilian national drink, the Chaiparinya. (limes,sugar and Cachasa) with a raven haired Brazilian girl while watching World Cup soccer. A smoky Lagavulin scotch with my father over stories of his experiences in the South Pacific theater of WWII and the occupation of Japan. Making handmade pasta, covering them with fresh steamed clams, with a glass of Sauvignon Blanc and your best friends. A glass of sweet port with a plate of Stilton with your girlfriend while the snow falls outside. Some of these experiences would be plenty cool without the shared beverage. But sometime it is the ritual of sharing the drink that connects people. Alcohol is just sugar molecules with an attitude. It is a type of food, and each culture has it's special version. You may associate it with dullness if you prefer. I prefer to associate it with the way peoples eyes crinkle up at the edges during conversation. Ethanol is a two-carbon alcohol and can be considered an active brain- drug and an all-purpose cellular toxin. Even moderate alcohol abuse distorts the personality, emotions, and intellect of the `social drinker', which is a direct consequence of brain dysfunction caused by ethanol and other chemical pathogens in alcoholic beverages. Even low doses of alcohol interfere with memory and make it difficult for the hippocampus to process new information. As a brain drug, ethanol acts to depress the brain function
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
Maybe the spounge analagy was misplaced, but acting as an anesthetic
it creates dullness.
I understand the alcohol bad position and lived it for years. If
that is how you enjoy to live, good for you. Dullness is the last
attribute I would give alcohol's effect if you don't drink too much,
and drink with the right people. Removing the drink from the set and
setting that it can enhance, misses the point IMO. It can be a part
of social customs and cuisines that I enjoy.
A chilled martini at a jazz club with an acoustic jazz trio in the
background.
Some top shelf bourbon bought for you by a young couple after your
last set, who had never listened to acoustic blues before, and have
many questions about what blues artists they should download.
A bottle of local Virginia wine over dinner with a friend who just
came back from visiting Africa and has many stories to share.
A chilled Czech Pilsner Urquell beer at boating picnic while eating
Chesapeake Bay crabs.
Greek brandy with your Greek friends as they tell you about how they
survived during WWII in Greece on an olive farm, while eating sheep
feta cheese and dipping crusty bread into oil from this year's olive
harvest.
Toasts with Hennessey cognac with the bridal party at your Vietnamese
friend's wedding after all the other guests have left.
A friend's homemade wine at their farm after riding their horses.
Joining a Thai friend as he closes up his restaurant and eating home
style fiery hot Thai food with the staff with Thai Singha beer.
Drinking chilled vodka shots with your Russian girlfriend over the
traditional meal she cooked for you.
Sharing the Brazilian national drink, the Chaiparinya. (limes,sugar
and Cachasa) with a raven haired Brazilian girl while watching World
Cup soccer.
A smoky Lagavulin scotch with my father over stories of his
experiences in the South Pacific theater of WWII and the occupation of
Japan.
Making handmade pasta, covering them with fresh steamed clams, with a
glass of Sauvignon Blanc and your best friends.
A glass of sweet port with a plate of Stilton with your girlfriend
while the snow falls outside.
Some of these experiences would be plenty cool without the shared
beverage. But sometime it is the ritual of sharing the drink that
connects people. Alcohol is just sugar molecules with an attitude.
It is a type of food, and each culture has it's special version. You
may associate it with dullness if you prefer. I prefer to associate
it with the way peoples eyes crinkle up at the edges during conversation.
Ethanol is a two-carbon alcohol and can be considered an active brain-
drug and an all-purpose cellular toxin. Even moderate alcohol abuse
distorts the personality, emotions, and intellect of the `social
drinker', which is a direct consequence of brain dysfunction caused
by ethanol and other chemical pathogens in alcoholic beverages. Even
low doses of alcohol interfere with memory and make it difficult for
the hippocampus to process new information. As a brain drug, ethanol
acts to depress the brain function from the top down, very much in
the style of an anesthetic. Acetaldehyde is particularly toxic.
{nutramed.com, Apr. 2003}
http://www.jrussellshealth.org/alcbfm.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'm guessing I'm gunna get even less approval with a story of sharing a spliff with a dreadlocked Rastafarian while eating Ital food and listening to live reggae... Thought you would enjoy that list, and I know you have one of your own.I'm just racking up the stories for when we're parked next to each other in our wheelchairs in the home for wayward yogis Turq. My chair will be rigged up with a flask of something that will enhance our meds! Jah, mon. I be lookin' forward to 't. If you pick a home for wayward yogis here in Spain, you can even grow your own herb for the spliff during gardening hour. It's legal here. I be listenin' right now to Brother Marley's re-release of No Woman, No Cry from beyond the grave. He must miss a few of these delights as well, because he's changed the lyrics of the chorus to say, No Maya, no fun. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Buh...buh...buh...but Curtis, you just don't understand! All these things you describe below are RELATIVE phen- omena. They have to do with the fallen aspect of life on Earth. You know, the planet that Maharishi refers to as this horrible place. How could you possibly find ANYTHING charming or fasc- inating about anything that happens in Maya. The alcohol must have REALLY dulled your brain if you are finding such things satisfying in any way. Everyone who is evolved knows that the only thing that can ever *really* satisfy is sitting with eyes closed lost in the bliss of the Absolute. End of story. Eating? That's just something we have to do from time to time so that we can continue to meditate. It's a horrible distraction from the bliss of the Absolute, but it's one of those drawbacks of having a body. Someday (soon, we hope) we won't have them any more, and then we can stay in the bliss ALL the time and NEVER have to stop meditating. Same with talking to all those horrible people. Some of the ones you mentioned don't even MEDITATE, for Krishnassake! How can you lower yourself to be in the same *room* with them, much less speak to them and share horrible, dulling alcohol with them. Friends? What are those. Isn't that another word for something that distracts you from the Absolute? As for sharing a drink with your father, I guess that's OK if he meditates and if you have to spend some time out of meditation hitting him up for money so that you can spend more time in meditation, the way we really evolved souls do. Get with the program, Curtis. This alcohol stuff has so dulled your mind that you have started to believe that life is something to be enjoyed and not something to run away from. That's Off The Program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Maybe the spounge analagy was misplaced, but acting as an anesthetic it creates dullness. I understand the alcohol bad position and lived it for years. If that is how you enjoy to live, good for you. Dullness is the last attribute I would give alcohol's effect if you don't drink too much, and drink with the right people. Removing the drink from the set and setting that it can enhance, misses the point IMO. It can be a part of social customs and cuisines that I enjoy. A chilled martini at a jazz club with an acoustic jazz trio in the background. Some top shelf bourbon bought for you by a young couple after your last set, who had never listened to acoustic blues before, and have many questions about what blues artists they should download. A bottle of local Virginia wine over dinner with a friend who just came back from visiting Africa and has many stories to share. A chilled Czech Pilsner Urquell beer at boating picnic while eating Chesapeake Bay crabs. Greek brandy with your Greek friends as they tell you about how they survived during WWII in Greece on an olive farm, while eating sheep feta cheese and dipping crusty bread into oil from this year's olive harvest. Toasts with Hennessey cognac with the bridal party at your Vietnamese friend's wedding after all the other guests have left. A friend's homemade wine at their farm after riding their horses. Joining a Thai friend as he closes up his restaurant and eating home style fiery hot Thai food with the staff with Thai Singha beer. Drinking chilled vodka shots with your Russian girlfriend over the traditional meal she cooked for you. Sharing the Brazilian national drink, the Chaiparinya. (limes,sugar and Cachasa) with a raven haired Brazilian girl while watching World Cup soccer. A smoky Lagavulin scotch with my father over stories of his experiences in the South Pacific theater of WWII and the
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
So I'm guessing I'm gunna get even less approval with a story of sharing a spliff with a dreadlocked Rastafarian while eating Ital food and listening to live reggae... Thought you would enjoy that list, and I know you have one of your own.I'm just racking up the stories for when we're parked next to each other in our wheelchairs in the home for wayward yogis Turq . My chair will be rigged up with a flask of something that will enhance our meds! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buh...buh...buh...but Curtis, you just don't understand! All these things you describe below are RELATIVE phen- omena. They have to do with the fallen aspect of life on Earth. You know, the planet that Maharishi refers to as this horrible place. How could you possibly find ANYTHING charming or fasc- inating about anything that happens in Maya. The alcohol must have REALLY dulled your brain if you are finding such things satisfying in any way. Everyone who is evolved knows that the only thing that can ever *really* satisfy is sitting with eyes closed lost in the bliss of the Absolute. End of story. Eating? That's just something we have to do from time to time so that we can continue to meditate. It's a horrible distraction from the bliss of the Absolute, but it's one of those drawbacks of having a body. Someday (soon, we hope) we won't have them any more, and then we can stay in the bliss ALL the time and NEVER have to stop meditating. Same with talking to all those horrible people. Some of the ones you mentioned don't even MEDITATE, for Krishnassake! How can you lower yourself to be in the same *room* with them, much less speak to them and share horrible, dulling alcohol with them. Friends? What are those. Isn't that another word for something that distracts you from the Absolute? As for sharing a drink with your father, I guess that's OK if he meditates and if you have to spend some time out of meditation hitting him up for money so that you can spend more time in meditation, the way we really evolved souls do. Get with the program, Curtis. This alcohol stuff has so dulled your mind that you have started to believe that life is something to be enjoyed and not something to run away from. That's Off The Program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Maybe the spounge analagy was misplaced, but acting as an anesthetic it creates dullness. I understand the alcohol bad position and lived it for years. If that is how you enjoy to live, good for you. Dullness is the last attribute I would give alcohol's effect if you don't drink too much, and drink with the right people. Removing the drink from the set and setting that it can enhance, misses the point IMO. It can be a part of social customs and cuisines that I enjoy. A chilled martini at a jazz club with an acoustic jazz trio in the background. Some top shelf bourbon bought for you by a young couple after your last set, who had never listened to acoustic blues before, and have many questions about what blues artists they should download. A bottle of local Virginia wine over dinner with a friend who just came back from visiting Africa and has many stories to share. A chilled Czech Pilsner Urquell beer at boating picnic while eating Chesapeake Bay crabs. Greek brandy with your Greek friends as they tell you about how they survived during WWII in Greece on an olive farm, while eating sheep feta cheese and dipping crusty bread into oil from this year's olive harvest. Toasts with Hennessey cognac with the bridal party at your Vietnamese friend's wedding after all the other guests have left. A friend's homemade wine at their farm after riding their horses. Joining a Thai friend as he closes up his restaurant and eating home style fiery hot Thai food with the staff with Thai Singha beer. Drinking chilled vodka shots with your Russian girlfriend over the traditional meal she cooked for you. Sharing the Brazilian national drink, the Chaiparinya. (limes,sugar and Cachasa) with a raven haired Brazilian girl while watching World Cup soccer. A smoky Lagavulin scotch with my father over stories of his experiences in the South Pacific theater of WWII and the occupation of Japan. Making handmade pasta, covering them with fresh steamed clams, with a glass of Sauvignon Blanc and your best friends. A glass of sweet port with a plate of Stilton with your girlfriend while the snow falls outside. Some of these experiences would be plenty cool without the shared beverage. But sometime it is the ritual of sharing the drink that connects people. Alcohol is just sugar molecules with an attitude. It is a type of food, and each culture has it's special version. You may associate it with dullness if you prefer. I
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
Yeah, Curtis, my folks; the back stories are equally interesting.
And as you can see, the red wine (and the vodka) apparently haven't
diminished their capacities too much. It's just a life and every
life is a story that each one of us has the opportunity to enrich
every day. I always appreciate the stories shared on this forum with
a community I feel so lucky to be a member of.
Marek
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@
wrote:
Curtis, here's another story I think you might enjoy told last
year
to a local Saint Louis PBS station in Saint Louis, accompanied
with
some inexpensive red wine.
Totally blown away! Thanks for sending this Marek. Your folks?
What
a fascinating couple. What a life! I live for stories like this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0HVg1kCpxU
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Maybe the spounge analagy was misplaced, but acting as an
anesthetic
it creates dullness.
I understand the alcohol bad position and lived it for years.
If
that is how you enjoy to live, good for you. Dullness is the
last
attribute I would give alcohol's effect if you don't drink too
much,
and drink with the right people. Removing the drink from the
set
and
setting that it can enhance, misses the point IMO. It can be a
part
of social customs and cuisines that I enjoy.
A chilled martini at a jazz club with an acoustic jazz trio in
the
background.
Some top shelf bourbon bought for you by a young couple after
your
last set, who had never listened to acoustic blues before, and
have
many questions about what blues artists they should download.
A bottle of local Virginia wine over dinner with a friend who
just
came back from visiting Africa and has many stories to share.
A chilled Czech Pilsner Urquell beer at boating picnic while
eating
Chesapeake Bay crabs.
Greek brandy with your Greek friends as they tell you about how
they
survived during WWII in Greece on an olive farm, while eating
sheep
feta cheese and dipping crusty bread into oil from this year's
olive
harvest.
Toasts with Hennessey cognac with the bridal party at your
Vietnamese
friend's wedding after all the other guests have left.
A friend's homemade wine at their farm after riding their
horses.
Joining a Thai friend as he closes up his restaurant and eating
home
style fiery hot Thai food with the staff with Thai Singha beer.
Drinking chilled vodka shots with your Russian girlfriend over
the
traditional meal she cooked for you.
Sharing the Brazilian national drink, the Chaiparinya.
(limes,sugar
and Cachasa) with a raven haired Brazilian girl while watching
World
Cup soccer.
A smoky Lagavulin scotch with my father over stories of his
experiences in the South Pacific theater of WWII and the
occupation
of
Japan.
Making handmade pasta, covering them with fresh steamed clams,
with
a
glass of Sauvignon Blanc and your best friends.
A glass of sweet port with a plate of Stilton with your
girlfriend
while the snow falls outside.
Some of these experiences would be plenty cool without the
shared
beverage. But sometime it is the ritual of sharing the drink
that
connects people. Alcohol is just sugar molecules with an
attitude.
It is a type of food, and each culture has it's special
version.
You
may associate it with dullness if you prefer. I prefer to
associate
it with the way peoples eyes crinkle up at the edges during
conversation.
Ethanol is a two-carbon alcohol and can be considered an
active
brain-
drug and an all-purpose cellular toxin. Even moderate alcohol
abuse
distorts the personality, emotions, and intellect of the
`social
drinker', which is a direct consequence of brain dysfunction
caused
by ethanol and other chemical pathogens in alcoholic
beverages.
Even
low doses of alcohol interfere with memory and make it
difficult
for
the hippocampus to process new information. As a brain drug,
ethanol
acts to depress the brain function from the top down, very
much
in
the style of an anesthetic. Acetaldehyde is particularly
toxic.
{nutramed.com, Apr. 2003}
http://www.jrussellshealth.org/alcbfm.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
On Jan 29, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: here's another story I think you might enjoy told last year to a local Saint Louis PBS station in Saint Louis, accompanied with some inexpensive red wine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0HVg1kCpxU I always knew there was something special about you! What a wonderful story and historythanks so much for sharing this with all of us!
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
Curtis, here's another story I think you might enjoy told last year
to a local Saint Louis PBS station in Saint Louis, accompanied with
some inexpensive red wine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0HVg1kCpxU
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe the spounge analagy was misplaced, but acting as an
anesthetic
it creates dullness.
I understand the alcohol bad position and lived it for years. If
that is how you enjoy to live, good for you. Dullness is the last
attribute I would give alcohol's effect if you don't drink too much,
and drink with the right people. Removing the drink from the set
and
setting that it can enhance, misses the point IMO. It can be a part
of social customs and cuisines that I enjoy.
A chilled martini at a jazz club with an acoustic jazz trio in the
background.
Some top shelf bourbon bought for you by a young couple after your
last set, who had never listened to acoustic blues before, and have
many questions about what blues artists they should download.
A bottle of local Virginia wine over dinner with a friend who just
came back from visiting Africa and has many stories to share.
A chilled Czech Pilsner Urquell beer at boating picnic while eating
Chesapeake Bay crabs.
Greek brandy with your Greek friends as they tell you about how they
survived during WWII in Greece on an olive farm, while eating sheep
feta cheese and dipping crusty bread into oil from this year's olive
harvest.
Toasts with Hennessey cognac with the bridal party at your
Vietnamese
friend's wedding after all the other guests have left.
A friend's homemade wine at their farm after riding their horses.
Joining a Thai friend as he closes up his restaurant and eating home
style fiery hot Thai food with the staff with Thai Singha beer.
Drinking chilled vodka shots with your Russian girlfriend over the
traditional meal she cooked for you.
Sharing the Brazilian national drink, the Chaiparinya. (limes,sugar
and Cachasa) with a raven haired Brazilian girl while watching World
Cup soccer.
A smoky Lagavulin scotch with my father over stories of his
experiences in the South Pacific theater of WWII and the occupation
of
Japan.
Making handmade pasta, covering them with fresh steamed clams, with
a
glass of Sauvignon Blanc and your best friends.
A glass of sweet port with a plate of Stilton with your girlfriend
while the snow falls outside.
Some of these experiences would be plenty cool without the shared
beverage. But sometime it is the ritual of sharing the drink that
connects people. Alcohol is just sugar molecules with an attitude.
It is a type of food, and each culture has it's special version.
You
may associate it with dullness if you prefer. I prefer to associate
it with the way peoples eyes crinkle up at the edges during
conversation.
Ethanol is a two-carbon alcohol and can be considered an active
brain-
drug and an all-purpose cellular toxin. Even moderate alcohol
abuse
distorts the personality, emotions, and intellect of the `social
drinker', which is a direct consequence of brain dysfunction
caused
by ethanol and other chemical pathogens in alcoholic beverages.
Even
low doses of alcohol interfere with memory and make it difficult
for
the hippocampus to process new information. As a brain drug,
ethanol
acts to depress the brain function from the top down, very much
in
the style of an anesthetic. Acetaldehyde is particularly toxic.
{nutramed.com, Apr. 2003}
http://www.jrussellshealth.org/alcbfm.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Curtis, here's another story I think you might enjoy told last year
to a local Saint Louis PBS station in Saint Louis, accompanied with
some inexpensive red wine.
Totally blown away! Thanks for sending this Marek. Your folks? What
a fascinating couple. What a life! I live for stories like this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0HVg1kCpxU
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Maybe the spounge analagy was misplaced, but acting as an
anesthetic
it creates dullness.
I understand the alcohol bad position and lived it for years. If
that is how you enjoy to live, good for you. Dullness is the last
attribute I would give alcohol's effect if you don't drink too much,
and drink with the right people. Removing the drink from the set
and
setting that it can enhance, misses the point IMO. It can be a part
of social customs and cuisines that I enjoy.
A chilled martini at a jazz club with an acoustic jazz trio in the
background.
Some top shelf bourbon bought for you by a young couple after your
last set, who had never listened to acoustic blues before, and have
many questions about what blues artists they should download.
A bottle of local Virginia wine over dinner with a friend who just
came back from visiting Africa and has many stories to share.
A chilled Czech Pilsner Urquell beer at boating picnic while eating
Chesapeake Bay crabs.
Greek brandy with your Greek friends as they tell you about how they
survived during WWII in Greece on an olive farm, while eating sheep
feta cheese and dipping crusty bread into oil from this year's olive
harvest.
Toasts with Hennessey cognac with the bridal party at your
Vietnamese
friend's wedding after all the other guests have left.
A friend's homemade wine at their farm after riding their horses.
Joining a Thai friend as he closes up his restaurant and eating home
style fiery hot Thai food with the staff with Thai Singha beer.
Drinking chilled vodka shots with your Russian girlfriend over the
traditional meal she cooked for you.
Sharing the Brazilian national drink, the Chaiparinya. (limes,sugar
and Cachasa) with a raven haired Brazilian girl while watching World
Cup soccer.
A smoky Lagavulin scotch with my father over stories of his
experiences in the South Pacific theater of WWII and the occupation
of
Japan.
Making handmade pasta, covering them with fresh steamed clams, with
a
glass of Sauvignon Blanc and your best friends.
A glass of sweet port with a plate of Stilton with your girlfriend
while the snow falls outside.
Some of these experiences would be plenty cool without the shared
beverage. But sometime it is the ritual of sharing the drink that
connects people. Alcohol is just sugar molecules with an attitude.
It is a type of food, and each culture has it's special version.
You
may associate it with dullness if you prefer. I prefer to associate
it with the way peoples eyes crinkle up at the edges during
conversation.
Ethanol is a two-carbon alcohol and can be considered an active
brain-
drug and an all-purpose cellular toxin. Even moderate alcohol
abuse
distorts the personality, emotions, and intellect of the `social
drinker', which is a direct consequence of brain dysfunction
caused
by ethanol and other chemical pathogens in alcoholic beverages.
Even
low doses of alcohol interfere with memory and make it difficult
for
the hippocampus to process new information. As a brain drug,
ethanol
acts to depress the brain function from the top down, very much
in
the style of an anesthetic. Acetaldehyde is particularly toxic.
{nutramed.com, Apr. 2003}
http://www.jrussellshealth.org/alcbfm.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
Thanks, Vaj, but we're all just members of the lucky sperm egg club, born more or less into affluence and engendered with the desire, for some reason or another, to explore consciousness. My parents' history was so unique (and improbable) that for years I never shared it because I wanted to 'write' a story for myself that, at the very least, didn't diminish their own by association. Within a week after that taping (February '07) my mother fell and broke her hip while out walking her two greyhounds. By April she was back out, on a cane, and by June was out walking them again everyday for a couple of miles. My father does about a half-an-hour every other day on the stationary bike in the basement. I can't say the alcohol helped, but it certainly doesn't seem to have hurt them too much. For me, alcohol has never been a draw, though I can appreciate a good wine or beer in the proper context. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 29, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: here's another story I think you might enjoy told last year to a local Saint Louis PBS station in Saint Louis, accompanied with some inexpensive red wine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0HVg1kCpxU I always knew there was something special about you! What a wonderful story and historythanks so much for sharing this with all of us!
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is just too good Curtis. This piece needs wider distribution. It
is along the lines of that great commericial, Beef, It's Whats For
Dinner, with the Irving Berlin musical accompaniment
Yeah, you busted me trying to suck up to booze companies to sponsor my
show! I'm working on a piece about how good it is for children next.
(hint, it makes them less hyper, like when they pass out)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Maybe the spounge analagy was misplaced, but acting as an anesthetic
it creates dullness.
I understand the alcohol bad position and lived it for years. If
that is how you enjoy to live, good for you. Dullness is the last
attribute I would give alcohol's effect if you don't drink too much,
and drink with the right people. Removing the drink from the set and
setting that it can enhance, misses the point IMO. It can be a part
of social customs and cuisines that I enjoy.
A chilled martini at a jazz club with an acoustic jazz trio in the
background.
Some top shelf bourbon bought for you by a young couple after your
last set, who had never listened to acoustic blues before, and have
many questions about what blues artists they should download.
A bottle of local Virginia wine over dinner with a friend who just
came back from visiting Africa and has many stories to share.
A chilled Czech Pilsner Urquell beer at boating picnic while eating
Chesapeake Bay crabs.
Greek brandy with your Greek friends as they tell you about how they
survived during WWII in Greece on an olive farm, while eating sheep
feta cheese and dipping crusty bread into oil from this year's olive
harvest.
Toasts with Hennessey cognac with the bridal party at your Vietnamese
friend's wedding after all the other guests have left.
A friend's homemade wine at their farm after riding their horses.
Joining a Thai friend as he closes up his restaurant and eating home
style fiery hot Thai food with the staff with Thai Singha beer.
Drinking chilled vodka shots with your Russian girlfriend over the
traditional meal she cooked for you.
Sharing the Brazilian national drink, the Chaiparinya. (limes,sugar
and Cachasa) with a raven haired Brazilian girl while watching World
Cup soccer.
A smoky Lagavulin scotch with my father over stories of his
experiences in the South Pacific theater of WWII and the occupation of
Japan.
Making handmade pasta, covering them with fresh steamed clams, with a
glass of Sauvignon Blanc and your best friends.
A glass of sweet port with a plate of Stilton with your girlfriend
while the snow falls outside.
Some of these experiences would be plenty cool without the shared
beverage. But sometime it is the ritual of sharing the drink that
connects people. Alcohol is just sugar molecules with an attitude.
It is a type of food, and each culture has it's special version. You
may associate it with dullness if you prefer. I prefer to associate
it with the way peoples eyes crinkle up at the edges during
conversation.
Ethanol is a two-carbon alcohol and can be considered an active
brain-
drug and an all-purpose cellular toxin. Even moderate alcohol abuse
distorts the personality, emotions, and intellect of the `social
drinker', which is a direct consequence of brain dysfunction caused
by ethanol and other chemical pathogens in alcoholic beverages. Even
low doses of alcohol interfere with memory and make it difficult for
the hippocampus to process new information. As a brain drug, ethanol
acts to depress the brain function from the top down, very much in
the style of an anesthetic. Acetaldehyde is particularly toxic.
{nutramed.com, Apr. 2003}
http://www.jrussellshealth.org/alcbfm.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread started with an article that a few glasses of wine each day with regular exercise is good for your heart. Unfortunately, it became an argument over who is better, drinkers or none drinkers, those who can enjoy life or don't enjoy life, if alcohol has a role in the 'glamour' of living or is alcohol a poison that dulls the mind. I guess my point is, if someone chooses to meditate twice a day and has good experiences, is it possible and recommended for TMers according to the instruction, that it makes no difference to have two 6oz. glasses of wine each day? Will they continue to have good experiences or not? Does the TMO not have any thing to say on this? For me personally, if I drank two 6oz. glasses of wine every day, my experience would be dramatically effected but that's me. I would be really curious to know how many people on this list drink two 6oz. glasses of wine each day and can claim that they feel no difference in the experience of deep meditation. I'm talking mainly about people who never drank for sometime and then began to drink later on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
This is just too good Curtis. This piece needs wider distribution. It
is along the lines of that great commericial, Beef, It's Whats For
Dinner, with the Irving Berlin musical accompaniment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe the spounge analagy was misplaced, but acting as an anesthetic
it creates dullness.
I understand the alcohol bad position and lived it for years. If
that is how you enjoy to live, good for you. Dullness is the last
attribute I would give alcohol's effect if you don't drink too much,
and drink with the right people. Removing the drink from the set and
setting that it can enhance, misses the point IMO. It can be a part
of social customs and cuisines that I enjoy.
A chilled martini at a jazz club with an acoustic jazz trio in the
background.
Some top shelf bourbon bought for you by a young couple after your
last set, who had never listened to acoustic blues before, and have
many questions about what blues artists they should download.
A bottle of local Virginia wine over dinner with a friend who just
came back from visiting Africa and has many stories to share.
A chilled Czech Pilsner Urquell beer at boating picnic while eating
Chesapeake Bay crabs.
Greek brandy with your Greek friends as they tell you about how they
survived during WWII in Greece on an olive farm, while eating sheep
feta cheese and dipping crusty bread into oil from this year's olive
harvest.
Toasts with Hennessey cognac with the bridal party at your Vietnamese
friend's wedding after all the other guests have left.
A friend's homemade wine at their farm after riding their horses.
Joining a Thai friend as he closes up his restaurant and eating home
style fiery hot Thai food with the staff with Thai Singha beer.
Drinking chilled vodka shots with your Russian girlfriend over the
traditional meal she cooked for you.
Sharing the Brazilian national drink, the Chaiparinya. (limes,sugar
and Cachasa) with a raven haired Brazilian girl while watching World
Cup soccer.
A smoky Lagavulin scotch with my father over stories of his
experiences in the South Pacific theater of WWII and the occupation of
Japan.
Making handmade pasta, covering them with fresh steamed clams, with a
glass of Sauvignon Blanc and your best friends.
A glass of sweet port with a plate of Stilton with your girlfriend
while the snow falls outside.
Some of these experiences would be plenty cool without the shared
beverage. But sometime it is the ritual of sharing the drink that
connects people. Alcohol is just sugar molecules with an attitude.
It is a type of food, and each culture has it's special version. You
may associate it with dullness if you prefer. I prefer to associate
it with the way peoples eyes crinkle up at the edges during
conversation.
Ethanol is a two-carbon alcohol and can be considered an active
brain-
drug and an all-purpose cellular toxin. Even moderate alcohol abuse
distorts the personality, emotions, and intellect of the `social
drinker', which is a direct consequence of brain dysfunction caused
by ethanol and other chemical pathogens in alcoholic beverages. Even
low doses of alcohol interfere with memory and make it difficult for
the hippocampus to process new information. As a brain drug, ethanol
acts to depress the brain function from the top down, very much in
the style of an anesthetic. Acetaldehyde is particularly toxic.
{nutramed.com, Apr. 2003}
http://www.jrussellshealth.org/alcbfm.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
steve.sundur@ wrote:
This is just too good Curtis. This piece needs wider
distribution. It
is along the lines of that great commericial, Beef, It's Whats
For
Dinner, with the Irving Berlin musical accompaniment
Yeah, you busted me trying to suck up to booze companies to sponsor
my
show! I'm working on a piece about how good it is for children
next.
(hint, it makes them less hyper, like when they pass out)
I went through a phase when I was about 7 years old when I wouldn't
eat anything and my doctor told my mother to give me a shot of brandy
(perhaps cut with something, I can't remember) about an hour before
supper.
Well, I sat down for dinner at the alloted time and promptly fell
asleep in the mashed potatoes.
If There will be blood reflects the times, the Daniel Day-Lewis
character gives his son alcohol along with his goat's milk...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Maybe the spounge analagy was misplaced, but acting as an
anesthetic
it creates dullness.
I understand the alcohol bad position and lived it for years.
If
that is how you enjoy to live, good for you. Dullness is the
last
attribute I would give alcohol's effect if you don't drink too
much,
and drink with the right people. Removing the drink from the
set and
setting that it can enhance, misses the point IMO. It can be a
part
of social customs and cuisines that I enjoy.
A chilled martini at a jazz club with an acoustic jazz trio in
the
background.
Some top shelf bourbon bought for you by a young couple after
your
last set, who had never listened to acoustic blues before, and
have
many questions about what blues artists they should download.
A bottle of local Virginia wine over dinner with a friend who
just
came back from visiting Africa and has many stories to share.
A chilled Czech Pilsner Urquell beer at boating picnic while
eating
Chesapeake Bay crabs.
Greek brandy with your Greek friends as they tell you about how
they
survived during WWII in Greece on an olive farm, while eating
sheep
feta cheese and dipping crusty bread into oil from this year's
olive
harvest.
Toasts with Hennessey cognac with the bridal party at your
Vietnamese
friend's wedding after all the other guests have left.
A friend's homemade wine at their farm after riding their
horses.
Joining a Thai friend as he closes up his restaurant and eating
home
style fiery hot Thai food with the staff with Thai Singha beer.
Drinking chilled vodka shots with your Russian girlfriend over
the
traditional meal she cooked for you.
Sharing the Brazilian national drink, the Chaiparinya.
(limes,sugar
and Cachasa) with a raven haired Brazilian girl while watching
World
Cup soccer.
A smoky Lagavulin scotch with my father over stories of his
experiences in the South Pacific theater of WWII and the
occupation of
Japan.
Making handmade pasta, covering them with fresh steamed clams,
with a
glass of Sauvignon Blanc and your best friends.
A glass of sweet port with a plate of Stilton with your
girlfriend
while the snow falls outside.
Some of these experiences would be plenty cool without the
shared
beverage. But sometime it is the ritual of sharing the drink
that
connects people. Alcohol is just sugar molecules with an
attitude.
It is a type of food, and each culture has it's special
version. You
may associate it with dullness if you prefer. I prefer to
associate
it with the way peoples eyes crinkle up at the edges during
conversation.
Ethanol is a two-carbon alcohol and can be considered an
active
brain-
drug and an all-purpose cellular toxin. Even moderate alcohol
abuse
distorts the personality, emotions, and intellect of the
`social
drinker', which is a direct consequence of brain dysfunction
caused
by ethanol and other chemical pathogens in alcoholic
beverages. Even
low doses of alcohol interfere with memory and make it
difficult for
the hippocampus to process new information. As a brain drug,
ethanol
acts to depress the brain function from the top down, very
much in
the style of an anesthetic. Acetaldehyde is particularly
toxic.
{nutramed.com, Apr. 2003}
http://www.jrussellshealth.org/alcbfm.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
On Jan 29, 2008, at 9:28 PM, suziezuzie wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread started with an article that a few glasses of wine each day with regular exercise is good for your heart. Unfortunately, it became an argument over who is better, drinkers or none drinkers, those who can enjoy life or don't enjoy life, if alcohol has a role in the 'glamour' of living or is alcohol a poison that dulls the mind. I guess my point is, if someone chooses to meditate twice a day and has good experiences, is it possible and recommended for TMers according to the instruction, that it makes no difference to have two 6oz. glasses of wine each day? Will they continue to have good experiences or not? Does the TMO not have any thing to say on this? For me personally, if I drank two 6oz. glasses of wine every day, my experience would be dramatically effected but that's me. I would be really curious to know how many people on this list drink two 6oz. glasses of wine each day and can claim that they feel no difference in the experience of deep meditation. I'm talking mainly about people who never drank for sometime and then began to drink later on. Author Ken Wilber claims to have been in continuous witnessing for years, but in one of his books (a spiritual diary of a years time) he claimed the witness was not experienced after drinking fair amounts of wine with his new girlfriend. On vacation--South Beach. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
Could be the beef commerical, or maybe the VISA commerical.
One bottle very dry Virginia wine $14.00. One bottle Czech Pilslner
$8.00.
Chatting with your old man about South Pacific Theatre--Priceless
This is just too good Curtis. This piece needs wider distribution.
It
is along the lines of that great commericial, Beef, It's Whats For
Dinner, with the Irving Berlin musical accompaniment
Yeah, you busted me trying to suck up to booze companies to sponsor my
show! I'm working on a piece about how good it is for children next.
(hint, it makes them less hyper, like when they pass out)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Maybe the spounge analagy was misplaced, but acting as an
anesthetic
it creates dullness.
I understand the alcohol bad position and lived it for years. If
that is how you enjoy to live, good for you. Dullness is the last
attribute I would give alcohol's effect if you don't drink too
much,
and drink with the right people. Removing the drink from the set
and
setting that it can enhance, misses the point IMO. It can be a
part
of social customs and cuisines that I enjoy.
A chilled martini at a jazz club with an acoustic jazz trio in the
background.
Some top shelf bourbon bought for you by a young couple after your
last set, who had never listened to acoustic blues before, and
have
many questions about what blues artists they should download.
A bottle of local Virginia wine over dinner with a friend who just
came back from visiting Africa and has many stories to share.
A chilled Czech Pilsner Urquell beer at boating picnic while
eating
Chesapeake Bay crabs.
Greek brandy with your Greek friends as they tell you about how
they
survived during WWII in Greece on an olive farm, while eating
sheep
feta cheese and dipping crusty bread into oil from this year's
olive
harvest.
Toasts with Hennessey cognac with the bridal party at your
Vietnamese
friend's wedding after all the other guests have left.
A friend's homemade wine at their farm after riding their horses.
Joining a Thai friend as he closes up his restaurant and eating
home
style fiery hot Thai food with the staff with Thai Singha beer.
Drinking chilled vodka shots with your Russian girlfriend over the
traditional meal she cooked for you.
Sharing the Brazilian national drink, the Chaiparinya.
(limes,sugar
and Cachasa) with a raven haired Brazilian girl while watching
World
Cup soccer.
A smoky Lagavulin scotch with my father over stories of his
experiences in the South Pacific theater of WWII and the
occupation of
Japan.
Making handmade pasta, covering them with fresh steamed clams,
with a
glass of Sauvignon Blanc and your best friends.
A glass of sweet port with a plate of Stilton with your girlfriend
while the snow falls outside.
Some of these experiences would be plenty cool without the shared
beverage. But sometime it is the ritual of sharing the drink that
connects people. Alcohol is just sugar molecules with an attitude.
It is a type of food, and each culture has it's special version.
You
may associate it with dullness if you prefer. I prefer to
associate
it with the way peoples eyes crinkle up at the edges during
conversation.
Ethanol is a two-carbon alcohol and can be considered an active
brain-
drug and an all-purpose cellular toxin. Even moderate alcohol
abuse
distorts the personality, emotions, and intellect of the `social
drinker', which is a direct consequence of brain dysfunction
caused
by ethanol and other chemical pathogens in alcoholic beverages.
Even
low doses of alcohol interfere with memory and make it difficult
for
the hippocampus to process new information. As a brain drug,
ethanol
acts to depress the brain function from the top down, very much
in
the style of an anesthetic. Acetaldehyde is particularly toxic.
{nutramed.com, Apr. 2003}
http://www.jrussellshealth.org/alcbfm.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
On Jan 29, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Vaj wrote: Author Ken Wilber claims to have been in continuous witnessing for years, but in one of his books (a spiritual diary of a years time) he claimed the witness was not experienced after drinking fair amounts of wine with his new girlfriend. On vacation--South Beach. :-) Actually he's able to even dissolve Witness after vino sessions: Each day we hit the beach around eleven A.M. and stay until around four P.M. This is truly one of the nicest beaches I've ever seen. Besides being pure sand--you can wade out forever and never hit a rock or shell--the water temperature is perfect, somewhere around eighty degrees so you never get chilled, no matter how long you stay in. And, as a matter of fact, I spend about three hours in the water each day, exactly up to my neck, gently bobbing up and down, tiptoes barely touching the bottom to hold me up. Marci, a champion swimmer, swims circles around me, literally. Where does that woman hide all her muscles? She's too curvaceous to be this athletic. Don't triathlon women have, like, 0% body fat? Actually, aren't they in negative fat space? Don't they like owe the world some fat? I had fully expected to lose all access to the Witness, given our vino schcdule. And for the first night and day this happened. But floating in the water has not only brought back the Witness, it seems to have facilitated the disappearance of the Witness into nondual One Taste, at least on occasion. (The Witness, or pure witnessing awareness, tends to be of the causal, since there is usually a primitive trace of subject/object duality you equanimously Witness the world as transparent and shimmering object But with further development, the Witness itself disappears into everything that is witnessed, subject and object become One Taste, or simple Suchness, and this is the nondual estate. In short: ego to soul to pure Witness to One Taste.) So I am utterly, pleasantly surprised, floating here in nature's blood, to be dipped Into One Taste which in Case, is nicely salty. There is no time in this estate, though time passes through it. thoughts float by in the sky, thoughts float by in the mind, waves float by in the ocean, and I am all of that. I am looking at none of it, for there is no center around which perception is organized. It is simply that everything is arising, moment to moment, and I am all of that. I do not see the sky, I am the sky, which sees itself. I do not feel the ocean, I am the ocean, which feels itself. I do not hear the birds, I am the birds, which hear themselves. There is nothing outside of me, there is nothing inside of me, because there is no me--there is simply all of this, and it has always been so. Nothing pushes me, nothing pulls me, because there is no me there is simply all of this, and it has always been so. Ken Wilber, One Taste: Daily Reflections on Integral Spirituality; Shambhala [Sunday, May 18th, South Beach]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I would be really curious to know how many people on this list drink two 6oz. glasses of wine each day and can claim that they feel no difference in the experience of deep meditation. If you drink right before you meditate, of course you're going to feel a difference. But alcohol gets metabolized by the system fairly quickly, so if you have a shot or two of something before you go to bed, say, at least in my experience, it doesn't affect meditation the next morning. Sometimes I have a drink before bed, sometimes I don't, and I've never noticed any difference. FWIW, a former boyfriend of mine who was a TMer would have profound witnessing experiences if he so much as drank a glass of beer. That's never happened to me! Very different with pot, again in my experience (many years ago).
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: snip I would be really curious to know how many people on this list drink two 6oz. glasses of wine each day and can claim that they feel no difference in the experience of deep meditation. If you drink right before you meditate, of course you're going to feel a difference. But alcohol gets metabolized by the system fairly quickly, so if you have a shot or two of something before you go to bed, say, at least in my experience, it doesn't affect meditation the next morning. Sometimes I have a drink before bed, sometimes I don't, and I've never noticed any difference. FWIW, a former boyfriend of mine who was a TMer would have profound witnessing experiences if he so much as drank a glass of beer. That's never happened to me! Very different with pot, again in my experience (many years ago). My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1706768,00.html? cnn=yes * Alcohol is a poison and every drop you drink weakens the heart muscle... That's probably what killed that lush Jesus. *** Water was always unhealthy to drink back then, so people drank wine, kind of like how people today drink Coke in India to avoid the nasty water -- doesn't mean alcohol is a good thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1706768,00.html? cnn=yes * Alcohol is a poison and every drop you drink weakens the heart muscle... That's probably what killed that lush Jesus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1706768,00.html? cnn=yes * Alcohol is a poison and every drop you drink weakens the heart muscle... That's probably what killed that lush Jesus. *** Water was always unhealthy to drink back then, so people drank wine, kind of like how people today drink Coke in India to avoid the nasty water -- doesn't mean alcohol is a good thing. And you believing that alcohol is a bad thing doesn't make alcohol a bad thing. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: And you believing that alcohol is a bad thing doesn't make alcohol a bad thing. :-) A balanced life is a good thing. Be active, drink a little, eat a moderate amount. Meditate. Don't work too hard. Do good. Be kind. See the difference between this prescription and Bob's absolute condemnation of alcohol? One is balanced; the other is not. *Especially* when the unbalanced one was in response to an article about the proven beneficial effects of moderate wine intake on health. It's starting to look as if there is a perfect inverse relationship between how *sure* certain posters on FFL are about what they believe to be true, and the likelihood that those things actually *are* true.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you believing that alcohol is a bad thing doesn't make alcohol a bad thing. :-) A balanced life is a good thing. Be active, drink a little, eat a moderate amount. Meditate. Don't work too hard. Do good. Be kind.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
In a message dated 1/28/08 11:16:34 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A balanced life is a good thing. Be active, drink a little, eat a moderate amount. Meditate. Don't work too hard. Do good. Be kind. See the difference between this prescription and Bob's absolute condemnation of alcohol? One is balanced; the other is not. *Especially* when the unbalanced one was in response to an article about the proven beneficial effects of moderate wine intake on health. It's starting to look as if there is a perfect inverse relationship between how *sure* certain posters on FFL are about what they believe to be true, and the likelihood that those things actually *are* true. I think Krishna says someplace in the Gita that moderation is the key to a long healthy life. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
I always considered alcohol as an apathetic, which when absorbed into the spunge like material of the brain, anesthetizes or numbs the brain cells. The brain has been described as the most complex creation in the universe so does anesthetizing it make sense?. It's true that brain cells well 'wake up' eventually after being anesthetized but over time, they simply die. My brother drank wine with his meals after believing in the horse shit about how good it is for the heart and then quit this ridiculous habit. He told me after being off wine for sometime, that his mind was so clear, he didn't know what to do with himself. The definition of an alcoholic is one who likes to feel dullness at least once a day. My daughter who attends university told me that when her friends come up to her drunk or high, she tells them, you're high or stoned, don't waste my time, get yourself in order and then come back and we'll talk.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always considered alcohol as an apathetic, which when absorbed into the spunge like material of the brain, anesthetizes or numbs the brain cells. The brain has been described as the most complex creation in the universe so does anesthetizing it make sense?. It's true that brain cells well 'wake up' eventually after being anesthetized but over time, they simply die. My brother drank wine with his meals after believing in the horse shit about how good it is for the heart and then quit this ridiculous habit. He told me after being off wine for sometime, that his mind was so clear, he didn't know what to do with himself. The definition of an alcoholic is one who likes to feel dullness at least once a day. I'm sorry that your body is so out of balance that it can't handle a glass of wine without becoming dull. But to believe that this disability makes you better than those who do not have such a limitation? Get a life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
suziezuzie My daughter who attends university told me that when her friends come up to her drunk or high, she tells them, you're high or stoned, don't waste my time, get yourself in order and then come back and we'll talk. Edg: Would your daughter also say that to someone who's tamping down their emotions with Xanax or other medical chemicals? A lot of folks use alcohol for medicine that's cheap and works. Gotta have some compassion for those who are driven into corners they simply cannot imagine escaping. This isn't Sat Yuga where a sniff a cork would lower one's ability to, well, smell God. This is Kali, they say, and I believe it. With murderers in high office, with war and the down-trodden on every continent, nay, in every single country, a brewski after a day fending off the wild dogs of the mercantile might just be a better thing to do than spending the time investing in egoic angst. What's better a numb mind or a roiling mind? A very hard call for those who do pop a top. And the euphoria of alcohol is, if anything, as deep a metaphor for bliss as life ever will offer to most folks on Earthsurely, spiritually, we aim at just such a background feeling of well being, and this, however mis-used according to dogma, can be a spiritual lesson symbolically. Like tasting honey and thinking that one could be this pleased in the afterlife not just on the tongue but by every sense imaginable, just so getting high can serve. Robert DeRopp wrote a book called The Master Game in which he said that LSD etc. experiences could reveal a target that the sober brain could strive for. Who here does not have MANY tales of those in their families who struggle with some form of chemical use? Those who eat nothing but industrial pastes, goos, and rainbow colors, could equally be said to be addicted users whose brains are saturated with the toxins allowed in foods today -- anyone here willing to drink a glass of water with a teaspoon of MSG dissolved in it? What does one think when one sees a 55 gallon drum of it in a food factory? Consult the GRAS list for where each of us is compromising one's chemical virginity. Thank your stars if you do not have life knocking on your door with the fever of a SWAT team. In a foxhole, everyone believes in God and a good stiff drink! One of my elementary school teachers confessed to my class, I smoked while being a soldier in WWII, but everyone did. Mr. Sendrak, thanks -- that was what I needed then, and just now I got a chance to use your wisdom. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always considered alcohol as an apathetic, which when absorbed into the spunge like material of the brain, anesthetizes or numbs the brain cells. The brain has been described as the most complex creation in the universe so does anesthetizing it make sense?. It's true that brain cells well 'wake up' eventually after being anesthetized but over time, they simply die. My brother drank wine with his meals after believing in the horse shit about how good it is for the heart and then quit this ridiculous habit. He told me after being off wine for sometime, that his mind was so clear, he didn't know what to do with himself. The definition of an alcoholic is one who likes to feel dullness at least once a day. My daughter who attends university told me that when her friends come up to her drunk or high, she tells them, you're high or stoned, don't waste my time, get yourself in order and then come back and we'll talk.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
Amen, Ruth. It doesn't have to one thing or the other; we're all just looking for the line that defines our life and then follow it with the least amount of hullabaloo. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: And you believing that alcohol is a bad thing doesn't make alcohol a bad thing. :-) A balanced life is a good thing. Be active, drink a little, eat a moderate amount. Meditate. Don't work too hard. Do good. Be kind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
I'm sorry that your body is so out of balance that it can't handle a glass of wine without becoming dull. But to believe that this disability makes you better than those who do not have such a limitation? Turq, I'm thinking it may be because our brains are not made of a spunge like material so it doesn't absorb the alcohol in our brains causing the anesthesia effect that plagues him. In our non spunge like brains, the unabsorbed alcohol can get to the brain's charming repartee centers where it does the most good! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: I always considered alcohol as an apathetic, which when absorbed into the spunge like material of the brain, anesthetizes or numbs the brain cells. The brain has been described as the most complex creation in the universe so does anesthetizing it make sense?. It's true that brain cells well 'wake up' eventually after being anesthetized but over time, they simply die. My brother drank wine with his meals after believing in the horse shit about how good it is for the heart and then quit this ridiculous habit. He told me after being off wine for sometime, that his mind was so clear, he didn't know what to do with himself. The definition of an alcoholic is one who likes to feel dullness at least once a day. I'm sorry that your body is so out of balance that it can't handle a glass of wine without becoming dull. But to believe that this disability makes you better than those who do not have such a limitation? Get a life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry that your body is so out of balance that
it can't handle a glass of wine without becoming dull.
But to believe that this disability makes you better
than those who do not have such a limitation?
Turq,
I'm thinking it may be because our brains are not made of a spunge
like material so it doesn't absorb the alcohol in our brains
causing
the anesthesia effect that plagues him. In our non spunge like
brains, the unabsorbed alcohol can get to the brain's charming
repartee centers where it does the most good!
Maybe the spounge analagy was misplaced, but acting as an anesthetic
it creates dullness.
Ethanol is a two-carbon alcohol and can be considered an active brain-
drug and an all-purpose cellular toxin. Even moderate alcohol abuse
distorts the personality, emotions, and intellect of the `social
drinker', which is a direct consequence of brain dysfunction caused
by ethanol and other chemical pathogens in alcoholic beverages. Even
low doses of alcohol interfere with memory and make it difficult for
the hippocampus to process new information. As a brain drug, ethanol
acts to depress the brain function from the top down, very much in
the style of an anesthetic. Acetaldehyde is particularly toxic.
{nutramed.com, Apr. 2003}
http://www.jrussellshealth.org/alcbfm.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: recipe for good health
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1706768,00.html? cnn=yes * Alcohol is a poison and every drop you drink weakens the heart muscle, but skid row winos have arteries as smooth as a baby's bottom because alcohol is good for that -- so there is some health effect from alcohol for those with unhealthy diets. But it's a mistake to confuse this for a healthy lifestyle...
