Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Mike Dixon]

I would say the real loser is the poor substance abuser. They're very unlikely 
to get out of their poverty while abusing drugs or alcohol. Kind of hard to 
soar like an eagle while wallowing in the mud. I don't have any objection to 
anyone choosing to wallow in that mud, just don't expect me, the tax payer, to 
subsidize their lifestyle.




On Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:15 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
I would say you lost this one, Mike.

I would say a small amount is *just enough*.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:51 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Would that include people who were busted for small amounts of marijuana?

Well, I couldn't give you an exact figure but you could start with those in the 
prison system, or have been, that were busted for drug posession. I doubt if 
many would not qualify as being poor.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:16 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
How many are just enough, Mike? I mean, let's get this nailed down.



Well Judy, I wouldn't go so far as to say *all* poor people are druggies, just 
enough to ruin it for those that aren't. We all know that the poor who aren't 
on drugs are usually saintly, creative, intelligent, wise,motivated, kind, 
sweet, adorable,cute, and
friendly but just down on their luck because some evil,rich, asshole is 
supressing them.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:17 PM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:

 
Right, Mike, all poor people are druggies, and they're poor because they spend 
all their money on drugs. Everybody knows that.


And while we're at it, to keep things balanced, we could implement a maximum
annual income. But I'm not sure how a minimum income would keep people off the 
streets and freeway exits. Seems to me that they would just have money to do 
drugs while begging to get more to have when they get
home, the 24 hour stone!



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 
All the  more reason it is the time to
implement the annual minimum income.  Yup, the same idea that the
librul Richard Nixon proposed.  Switzerland is doing it why not
the US?  It would get people off the streets and away from the
freeway exits. 



On 03/19/2014 10:39 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote:

 
Nope. I look at these guys carefully enough. I know about
the scammers, and you *can* tell the difference. I don't
give money to scammers, and I don't give a damn if those
who need it, spend my buck on booze. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote :


Yes,
most of the people that  Doc is
seeing near the freeway off ramps are scammers.  I
recall seeing
one guy with a walker awkwardly moving to a car window
to get the
money fools were giving him.  The tip off is that he
wasn't doing
a very good job of faking the walker bit.  Then the
next day I saw
him downtown running around  without the walker.

At the shopping center nearby there would be
panhandlers looking
for money too.  But I found out in some cases when
they got enough
money they went into the drug store and bought a pint
of malt
liquor.  There was a guy asking for money for food in
nice new
sneakers and an expensive bike.

In this town the Baptist church has free lunches for
the
homeless.  We have one schizo who lives at the
waterfront park but
he won't beg for anything.  One of the former managers
of
Starbucks had let him set up the tables and chairs
outside in
exchange for food and coffee.  The next manager
stopped that. 
Once he rescued a newborn in a garbage bin and that
made
headlines.  He had offers for jobs and people finding
him to give
gifts of food.  Nice guy but really out of his mind.

I don't know about buying them a burger but perhaps
keeping some
food bars on hand.  There was one guy downtown often
asking for
money for food.  One day as I was leaving the town
square I caught
him throwing away most of deli sandwich he had just
bought from
what people had given him.

Now as far as welfare goes what I said about
California was a
political issue started by Dubya who didn't like
Californians
voting against him. So they cut the money most states
would get
back from federal taxes.


On 03/19/2014 08:26 AM,
Mike Dixon wrote:
  
I remember the first time  I ever saw a
person
on a street corner holding a sign saying *will
work
for food*, back in the eighties. I thought my
heart
was being ripped out of my chest. Almost drove
to an
ATM to withdraw 20 bucks to give him, then
thought
about it and realized that was the response
intended,
to play on the heart strings of well meaning
people.
Later started hearing stories in the media that
these
people were raking in hundreds of dollars a day,
tax
free! They would drive their late model cars to
a
parking lot, get out and walk to a busy
intersection
and hold out their cardboard sign, begging for 
a days
work in exchange for food. So I decided that if 
I
ever saw a *regular*, I would either buy a
burger and
fries to give them or a new clean *T*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Share Long]

Good point, Mike, and I'd add that we're all losers in this situation, as in a 
mind is a terrible thing to waste, or better, a fellow human being is terrible 
to lose.





On Friday, March 21, 2014 9:27 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
I would say the real loser is the poor substance abuser. They're very unlikely 
to get out of their poverty while abusing drugs or alcohol. Kind of hard to 
soar like an eagle while wallowing in the mud. I don't have any objection to 
anyone choosing to wallow in that mud, just don't expect me, the tax payer, to 
subsidize their lifestyle.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:15 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
I would say you lost this one, Mike.

I would say a small amount is *just enough*.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:51 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Would that include people who were busted for small amounts of marijuana?

Well, I couldn't give you an exact figure but you could start with those in the 
prison system, or have been, that were busted for drug posession. I doubt if 
many would not qualify as being poor.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:16 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
How many are just enough, Mike? I mean, let's get this nailed down.



Well Judy, I wouldn't go so far as to say *all* poor people are druggies, just 
enough to ruin it for those that aren't. We all know that the poor who aren't 
on drugs are usually saintly, creative, intelligent, wise,motivated, kind, 
sweet, adorable,cute, and
friendly but just down on their luck because some evil,rich, asshole is 
supressing them.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:17 PM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:

 
Right, Mike, all poor people are druggies, and they're poor because they spend 
all their money on drugs. Everybody knows that.


And while we're at it, to keep things balanced, we could implement a maximum
annual income. But I'm not sure how a minimum income would keep people off the 
streets and freeway exits. Seems to me that they would just have money to do 
drugs while begging to get more to have when they get
home, the 24 hour stone!



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 
All the  more reason it is the time to
implement the annual minimum income.  Yup, the same idea that the
librul Richard Nixon proposed.  Switzerland is doing it why not
the US?  It would get people off the streets and away from the
freeway exits. 



On 03/19/2014 10:39 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote:

 
Nope. I look at these guys carefully enough. I know about
the scammers, and you *can* tell the difference. I don't
give money to scammers, and I don't give a damn if those
who need it, spend my buck on booze. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote :


Yes,
most of the people that  Doc is
seeing near the freeway off ramps are scammers.  I
recall seeing
one guy with a walker awkwardly moving to a car window
to get the
money fools were giving him.  The tip off is that he
wasn't doing
a very good job of faking the walker bit.  Then the
next day I saw
him downtown running around  without the walker.

At the shopping center nearby there would be
panhandlers looking
for money too.  But I found out in some cases when
they got enough
money they went into the drug store and bought a pint
of malt
liquor.  There was a guy asking for money for food in
nice new
sneakers and an expensive bike.

In this town the Baptist church has free lunches for
the
homeless.  We have one schizo who lives at the
waterfront park but
he won't beg for anything.  One of the former managers
of
Starbucks had let him set up the tables and chairs
outside in
exchange for food and coffee.  The next manager
stopped that. 
Once he rescued a newborn in a garbage bin and that
made
headlines.  He had offers for jobs and people finding
him to give
gifts of food.  Nice guy but really out of his mind.

I don't know about buying them a burger but perhaps
keeping some
food bars on hand.  There was one guy downtown often
asking for
money for food.  One day as I was leaving the town
square I caught
him throwing away most of deli sandwich he had just
bought from
what people had given him.

Now as far as welfare goes what I said about
California was a
political issue started by Dubya who didn't like
Californians
voting against him. So they cut the money most states
would get
back from federal taxes.


On 03/19/2014 08:26 AM,
Mike Dixon wrote:
 
I remember the first time  I ever saw a
person
on a street corner holding a sign saying *will
work
for food*, back in the eighties. I thought my
heart
was being ripped out of my chest. Almost drove
to an
ATM to withdraw 20 bucks to give him, then
thought
about it and realized that was the response
intended,
to play on the heart strings of well meaning
people.
Later started hearing stories in the media that
these
people were raking in hundreds of dollars a day,
tax
free! They would drive their late model cars to
a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Mike Dixon]

My very point Share! When we, as tax payers, subsidize that lifestyle, we 
become enablers and partially responsible for their actions, like the parent of 
a 200 pound five year old. He just won't stop eating and he eats all the wrong 
foods!




On Friday, March 21, 2014 7:34 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
Good point, Mike, and I'd add that we're all losers in this situation, as in a 
mind is a terrible thing to waste, or better, a fellow human being is terrible 
to lose.




On Friday, March 21, 2014 9:27 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
I would say the real loser is the poor substance abuser. They're very unlikely 
to get out of their poverty while abusing drugs or alcohol. Kind of hard to 
soar like an eagle while wallowing in the mud. I don't have any objection to 
anyone choosing to wallow in that mud, just don't expect me, the tax payer, to 
subsidize their lifestyle.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:15 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
I would say you lost this one, Mike.

I would say a small amount is *just enough*.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:51 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Would that include people who were busted for small amounts of marijuana?

Well, I couldn't give you an exact figure but you could start with those in the 
prison system, or have been, that were busted for drug posession. I doubt if 
many would not qualify as being poor.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:16 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
How many are just enough, Mike? I mean, let's get this nailed down.



Well Judy, I wouldn't go so far as to say *all* poor people are druggies, just 
enough to ruin it for those that aren't. We all know that the poor who aren't 
on drugs are usually saintly, creative, intelligent, wise,motivated, kind, 
sweet, adorable,cute, and
friendly but just down on their luck because some evil,rich, asshole is 
supressing them.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:17 PM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:

 
Right, Mike, all poor people are druggies, and they're poor because they spend 
all their money on drugs. Everybody knows that.


And while we're at it, to keep things balanced, we could implement a maximum
annual income. But I'm not sure how a minimum income would keep people off the 
streets and freeway exits. Seems to me that they would just have money to do 
drugs while begging to get more to have when they get
home, the 24 hour stone!



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 
All the  more reason it is the time to
implement the annual minimum income.  Yup, the same idea that the
librul Richard Nixon proposed.  Switzerland is doing it why not
the US?  It would get people off the streets and away from the
freeway exits. 



On 03/19/2014 10:39 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote:

 
Nope. I look at these guys carefully enough. I know about
the scammers, and you *can* tell the difference. I don't
give money to scammers, and I don't give a damn if those
who need it, spend my buck on booze. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote :


Yes,
most of the people that  Doc is
seeing near the freeway off ramps are scammers.  I
recall seeing
one guy with a walker awkwardly moving to a car window
to get the
money fools were giving him.  The tip off is that he
wasn't doing
a very good job of faking the walker bit.  Then the
next day I saw
him downtown running around  without the walker.

At the shopping center nearby there would be
panhandlers looking
for money too.  But I found out in some cases when
they got enough
money they went into the drug store and bought a pint
of malt
liquor.  There was a guy asking for money for food in
nice new
sneakers and an expensive bike.

In this town the Baptist church has free lunches for
the
homeless.  We have one schizo who lives at the
waterfront park but
he won't beg for anything.  One of the former managers
of
Starbucks had let him set up the tables and chairs
outside in
exchange for food and coffee.  The next manager
stopped that. 
Once he rescued a newborn in a garbage bin and that
made
headlines.  He had offers for jobs and people finding
him to give
gifts of food.  Nice guy but really out of his mind.

I don't know about buying them a burger but perhaps
keeping some
food bars on hand.  There was one guy downtown often
asking for
money for food.  One day as I was leaving the town
square I caught
him throwing away most of deli sandwich he had just
bought from
what people had given him.

Now as far as welfare goes what I said about
California was a
political issue started by Dubya who didn't like
Californians
voting against him. So they cut the money most states
would get
back from federal taxes.


On 03/19/2014 08:26 AM,
Mike Dixon wrote:
  
I remember the first time  I ever saw a
person
on a street corner holding a sign saying *will
work
for food*, back in the eighties. I thought my
heart
was being ripped out of my chest. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[authfriend]

Non sequitur, Mike. I think you're well aware of the statistics on who gets 
imprisoned for small amounts of marijuana. It's poor black people, way out of 
proportion to the number of people who possess those same small amounts. So 
you're going to need to rethink your story about the prison population. 

 As far as subsidizing druggie lifestyles is concerned, how are you going to 
arrange for your taxes to go only to poor people who don't do drugs? Frankly, I 
think that's just an excuse for opposing a minimum income.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

 I would say the real loser is the poor substance abuser. They're very unlikely 
to get out of their poverty while abusing drugs or alcohol. Kind of hard to 
soar like an eagle while wallowing in the mud. I don't have any objection to 
anyone choosing to wallow in that mud, just don't expect me, the tax payer, to 
subsidize their lifestyle.
 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:15 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   I would say you lost this one, Mike.
 

 I would say a small amount is *just enough*. 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:51 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Would that include people who were busted for small amounts of marijuana?
 

 Well, I couldn't give you an exact figure but you could start with those in 
the prison system, or have been, that were busted for drug posession. I doubt 
if many would not qualify as being poor. 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:16 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   How many are just enough, Mike? I mean, let's get this nailed down.
 

 
 Well Judy, I wouldn't go so far as to say *all* poor people are druggies, just 
enough to ruin it for those that aren't. We all know that the poor who aren't 
on drugs are usually saintly, creative, intelligent, wise,motivated, kind, 
sweet, adorable,cute, and friendly but just down on their luck because some 
evil,rich, asshole is supressing them.
 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Right, Mike, all poor people are druggies, and they're poor because they 
spend all their money on drugs. Everybody knows that.
 

 

 And while we're at it, to keep things balanced, we could implement a maximum 
annual income. But I'm not sure how a minimum income would keep people off the 
streets and freeway exits. Seems to me that they would just have money to do 
drugs while begging to get more to have when they get home, the 24 hour stone! 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 
   
 All the  more reason it is the time to implement the annual minimum income.  
Yup, the same idea that the librul Richard Nixon proposed.  Switzerland is 
doing it why not the US?  It would get people off the streets and away from the 
freeway exits. 
 
 On 03/19/2014 10:39 AM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
   Nope. I look at these guys carefully enough. I know about the scammers, and 
you *can* tell the difference. I don't give money to scammers, and I don't give 
a damn if those who need it, spend my buck on booze. 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Yes, most of the people that  Doc is seeing near the freeway off ramps are 
scammers.  I recall seeing one guy with a walker awkwardly moving to a car 
window to get the money fools were giving him.  The tip off is that he wasn't 
doing a very good job of faking the walker bit.  Then the next day I saw him 
downtown running around  without the walker.
 
 At the shopping center nearby there would be panhandlers looking for money 
too.  But I found out in some cases when they got enough money they went into 
the drug store and bought a pint of malt liquor.  There was a guy asking for 
money for food in nice new sneakers and an expensive bike.
 
 In this town the Baptist church has free lunches for the homeless.  We have 
one schizo who lives at the waterfront park but he won't beg for anything.  One 
of the former managers of Starbucks had let him set up the tables and chairs 
outside in exchange for food and coffee.  The next manager stopped that.  Once 
he rescued a newborn in a garbage bin and that made headlines.  He had offers 
for jobs and people finding him to give gifts of food.  Nice guy but really out 
of his mind.
 
 I don't know about buying them a burger but perhaps keeping some food bars on 
hand.  There was one guy downtown often asking for money for food.  One day as 
I was leaving the town square I caught him throwing away most of deli sandwich 
he had just bought from what people had given him.
 
 Now as far as welfare goes what I said about California was a political issue 
started by Dubya who didn't like Californians voting against him. So they cut 
the money most states would get back from federal taxes.
 
 On 03/19/2014 08:26 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
   I remember the first time  I ever saw 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[authfriend]

See, Mike, it's a right-wing myth that people would rather be poor and do 
nothing, at least most people who would be getting the minimum income. The 
druggies, no doubt, but that's a relatively small proportion. 

 Yes Judy, I am adamantly against a minimum income  for that very reason. There 
is no way to know how it is going to be used or abused at the tax payers 
expense. Why would anyone try to make the effort to be a productive member of 
society and rise to their potential if the government will pay them to be poor 
and do nothing. Why work when you can be on paid vacation all the time.Combine 
that with drug use and any motivation to be better or have more just gets 
destroyed. If you're not happy with what you have, all you have to do is  smoke 
a joint and escape into your little*dream* world and further destroy any 
ambition and not worry about it because you're going to be taken care of. 
 
 On , Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote:
 
 To each, his own. At least the rich guy contributes to society by being 
productive and paying taxes and as long as his money is earned legally, as far 
as I'm concerned, he can do whatever he wishes with it. 
 
 
 On Friday, March 21, 2014 9:55 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
 
   noozguru, I guess it's too much to ask that the govt. be reasonable and 
practical. BTW, aren't the prisons now big business too? Maybe I read that 
here...
 

 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:29 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 
   
 The Swiss are going to pay out to each working age adult 2500 francs or almost 
$34K USD a year.  We could also start helping people understand why they want 
drugs in the first place rather than tossing them in prison which costs us a 
helluva lot more than $34K a year.
 
 On 03/20/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
   And while we're at it, to keep things balanced, we could implement a maximum 
annual income. But I'm not sure how a minimum income would keep people off the 
streets and freeway exits. Seems to me that they would just have money to do 
drugs while begging to get more to have when they get home, the 24 hour stone!
 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Bhairitu mailto:noozguru@... 
mailto:noozguru@... wrote:
 
   
 All the  more reason it is the time to implement the annual minimum income.  
Yup, the same idea that the librul Richard Nixon proposed.  Switzerland is 
doing it why not the US?  It would get people off the streets and away from the 
freeway exits. 
 
 On 03/19/2014 10:39 AM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote:

   Nope. I look at these guys carefully enough. I know about the scammers, and 
you *can* tell the difference. I don't give money to scammers, and I don't give 
a damn if those who need it, spend my buck on booze. 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Yes,most of the people that  Doc is seeing near the freeway off ramps are 
scammers.  I recall seeing one guy with a walker awkwardly moving to a car 
window to get the money fools were giving him.  The tip off is that he wasn't 
doing a very good job of faking the walker bit.  Then the next day I saw him 
downtown running around  without the walker.
 
 At the shopping center nearby there would be panhandlers looking for money 
too.  But I found out in some cases when they got enough money they went into 
the drug store and bought a pint of malt liquor.  There was a guy asking for 
money for food in nice new sneakers and an expensive bike.
 
 In this town the Baptist church has free lunches for the homeless.  We have 
one schizo who lives at the waterfront park but he won't beg for anything.  One 
of the former managers of Starbucks had let him set up the tables and chairs 
outside in exchange for food and coffee.  The next manager stopped that.  Once 
he rescued a newborn in a garbage bin and that made headlines.  He had offers 
for jobs and people finding him to give gifts of food.  Nice guy but really out 
of his mind.
 
 I don't know about buying them a burger but perhaps keeping some food bars on 
hand.  There was one guy downtown often asking for money for food.  One day as 
I was leaving the town square I caught him throwing away most of deli sandwich 
he had just bought from what people had given him.
 
 Now as far as welfare goes what I said about California was a political issue 
started by Dubya who didn't like Californians voting against him. So they cut 
the money most states would get back from federal taxes.
 
 On 03/19/2014 08:26 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
   I remember the first time  I ever saw a person on a street corner holding a 
sign saying *will work for food*, back in the eighties. I thought my heart was 
being ripped out of my chest. Almost drove to an ATM to withdraw 20 bucks to 
give him, then thought about it and realized that was the response intended, to 
play on the heart strings of well meaning people. Later started hearing 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Mike Dixon]

Right wing conspiracy? LOL! Right, and those 10-20 million *illegals*, mostly 
from south of the border, are here...why? Because they will do jobs that 
Americans refuse to do. So says even left wingers.that want to make them legal.
You're right that nobody wants to be poor but some just aren't motivated enough 
to get a job that they consider *below their dignity*, so they look for public 
assistance to hold them over till their ship comes in. They wait for that $15 
an hour burger flipping job! But  if you can get a better minimum income 
without even flipping a burger,why do that?



On Friday, March 21, 2014 12:45 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
See, Mike, it's a right-wing myth that people would rather be poor and do 
nothing, at least most people who would be getting the minimum income. The 
druggies, no doubt, but that's a relatively small proportion.

Yes Judy, I am adamantly against a minimum income  for that very reason. There 
is no way to know how it is going to be used or abused at the tax payers 
expense. Why would anyone try to make the effort to be a productive member of 
society and rise to their potential if the government will pay them to be poor 
and do nothing. Why work when you can be on paid vacation all the time.Combine 
that with drug use and any motivation to be better or have more just gets 
destroyed. If you're not happy with what you have, all you have to do is  smoke 
a joint and escape into your little*dream* world and further destroy any 
ambition and not worry about it because you're going to be taken care of.



On , Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote:

To each, his own. At least the rich guy contributes to society by being 
productive and paying taxes and as long as his money is earned legally, as far 
as I'm concerned, he can do whatever he wishes with it. 



On Friday, March 21, 2014 9:55 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 
noozguru, I guess it's too much to ask that the govt. be reasonable and 
practical. BTW, aren't the prisons now big business too? Maybe I read that 
here...





On Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:29 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 
The Swiss are going to pay out to each
working age adult 2500 francs or almost $34K USD a year.  We could
also start helping people understand why they want drugs in the
first place rather than tossing them in prison which costs us a
helluva lot more than $34K a year.


On 03/20/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:

 
And while we're at it, to keep things balanced,
we could implement a maximum annual income. But I'm
not sure how a minimum income would keep people off
the streets and freeway exits. Seems to me that they
would just have money to do drugs while begging to get
more to have when they get home, the 24 hour stone!



On
Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Bhairitu mailto:noozguru@... wrote:

 
All
the  more reason it is the time to
implement the annual minimum income. 
Yup, the same idea that the librul
Richard Nixon proposed.  Switzerland
is doing it why not the US?  It would
get people off the streets and away
from the freeway exits. 

On 03/19/2014 10:39 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote:

 
Nope. I look at these guys
carefully enough. I know about
the scammers, and you *can* tell
the difference. I don't give
money to scammers, and I don't
give a damn if those who need
it, spend my buck on booze. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote :


Yes,most of the people that  Doc
is seeing near the freeway
off ramps are scammers.  I
recall seeing one guy with a
walker awkwardly moving to a
car window to get the money
fools were giving him.  The
tip off is that he wasn't
doing a very good job of
faking the walker bit.  Then
the next day I saw him
downtown running around 
without the walker.

At the shopping center
nearby there would be
panhandlers looking for
money too.  But I found out
in some cases when they got
enough money they went into
the drug store and bought a
pint of malt liquor.  There
was a guy asking for money
for food in nice new
sneakers and an expensive
bike.

In this town the Baptist
church has free lunches for
the homeless.  We have one
schizo who lives at the
waterfront park but he won't
beg for anything.  One of
the former managers of
Starbucks had let him set up
the tables and chairs
outside in exchange for food
and coffee.  The next
manager stopped that.  Once
he rescued a newborn in a
garbage bin and that made
headlines.  He had offers
for jobs and people finding
him to give gifts of food. 
Nice guy but really out of
his mind.

I don't know about buying
them a burger but perhaps
keeping some food bars on
hand.  There was one guy
downtown often asking for
money for food.  One day as
I was leaving the town
square I caught him throwing
away most of deli sandwich
he had just bought from what
people had given him.

Now as far as welfare goes
what I said about California
was a political issue
started by Dubya who didn't
like Californians voting
against 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[authfriend]

I didn't say conspiracy, Mike. Don't misquote me, please. 

 I stand by what I did say.
 

 

 Right wing conspiracy? LOL! Right, and those 10-20 million *illegals*, mostly 
from south of the border, are here...why? Because they will do jobs that 
Americans refuse to do. So says even left wingers.that want to make them 
legal.You're right that nobody wants to be poor but some just aren't motivated 
enough to get a job that they consider *below their dignity*, so they look for 
public assistance to hold them over till their ship comes in. They wait for 
that $15 an hour burger flipping job! But  if you can get a better minimum 
income without even flipping a burger,why do that?
 
 
 On Friday, March 21, 2014 12:45 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   See, Mike, it's a right-wing myth that people would rather be poor and do 
nothing, at least most people who would be getting the minimum income. The 
druggies, no doubt, but that's a relatively small proportion.
 

 Yes Judy, I am adamantly against a minimum income  for that very reason. There 
is no way to know how it is going to be used or abused at the tax payers 
expense. Why would anyone try to make the effort to be a productive member of 
society and rise to their potential if the government will pay them to be poor 
and do nothing. Why work when you can be on paid vacation all the time.Combine 
that with drug use and any motivation to be better or have more just gets 
destroyed. If you're not happy with what you have, all you have to do is  smoke 
a joint and escape into your little*dream* world and further destroy any 
ambition and not worry about it because you're going to be taken care of. 
 
 On , Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote:
 
 To each, his own. At least the rich guy contributes to society by being 
productive and paying taxes and as long as his money is earned legally, as far 
as I'm concerned, he can do whatever he wishes with it. 
 
 
 On Friday, March 21, 2014 9:55 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
 
   noozguru, I guess it's too much to ask that the govt. be reasonable and 
practical. BTW, aren't the prisons now big business too? Maybe I read that 
here...
 

 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:29 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 
   
 The Swiss are going to pay out to each working age adult 2500 francs or almost 
$34K USD a year.  We could also start helping people understand why they want 
drugs in the first place rather than tossing them in prison which costs us a 
helluva lot more than $34K a year.
 
 On 03/20/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
   And while we're at it, to keep things balanced, we could implement a maximum 
annual income. But I'm not sure how a minimum income would keep people off the 
streets and freeway exits. Seems to me that they would just have money to do 
drugs while begging to get more to have when they get home, the 24 hour stone!
 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Bhairitu mailto:noozguru@... 
mailto:noozguru@... wrote:
 
   
 All the  more reason it is the time to implement the annual minimum income.  
Yup, the same idea that the librul Richard Nixon proposed.  Switzerland is 
doing it why not the US?  It would get people off the streets and away from the 
freeway exits. 
 
 On 03/19/2014 10:39 AM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote:

   Nope. I look at these guys carefully enough. I know about the scammers, and 
you *can* tell the difference. I don't give money to scammers, and I don't give 
a damn if those who need it, spend my buck on booze. 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Yes,most of the people that  Doc is seeing near the freeway off ramps are 
scammers.  I recall seeing one guy with a walker awkwardly moving to a car 
window to get the money fools were giving him.  The tip off is that he wasn't 
doing a very good job of faking the walker bit.  Then the next day I saw him 
downtown running around  without the walker.
 
 At the shopping center nearby there would be panhandlers looking for money 
too.  But I found out in some cases when they got enough money they went into 
the drug store and bought a pint of malt liquor.  There was a guy asking for 
money for food in nice new sneakers and an expensive bike.
 
 In this town the Baptist church has free lunches for the homeless.  We have 
one schizo who lives at the waterfront park but he won't beg for anything.  One 
of the former managers of Starbucks had let him set up the tables and chairs 
outside in exchange for food and coffee.  The next manager stopped that.  Once 
he rescued a newborn in a garbage bin and that made headlines.  He had offers 
for jobs and people finding him to give gifts of food.  Nice guy but really out 
of his mind.
 
 I don't know about buying them a burger but perhaps keeping some food bars on 
hand.  There was one guy downtown often asking for money for food.  One day as 
I was leaving the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[authfriend]

Right, Mike, all poor people are druggies, and they're poor because they spend 
all their money on drugs. Everybody knows that. 

 

 And while we're at it, to keep things balanced, we could implement a maximum 
annual income. But I'm not sure how a minimum income would keep people off the 
streets and freeway exits. Seems to me that they would just have money to do 
drugs while begging to get more to have when they get home, the 24 hour stone! 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 
   
 All the  more reason it is the time to implement the annual minimum income.  
Yup, the same idea that the librul Richard Nixon proposed.  Switzerland is 
doing it why not the US?  It would get people off the streets and away from the 
freeway exits. 
 
 On 03/19/2014 10:39 AM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
   Nope. I look at these guys carefully enough. I know about the scammers, and 
you *can* tell the difference. I don't give money to scammers, and I don't give 
a damn if those who need it, spend my buck on booze. 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Yes, most of the people that  Doc is seeing near the freeway off ramps are 
scammers.  I recall seeing one guy with a walker awkwardly moving to a car 
window to get the money fools were giving him.  The tip off is that he wasn't 
doing a very good job of faking the walker bit.  Then the next day I saw him 
downtown running around  without the walker.
 
 At the shopping center nearby there would be panhandlers looking for money 
too.  But I found out in some cases when they got enough money they went into 
the drug store and bought a pint of malt liquor.  There was a guy asking for 
money for food in nice new sneakers and an expensive bike.
 
 In this town the Baptist church has free lunches for the homeless.  We have 
one schizo who lives at the waterfront park but he won't beg for anything.  One 
of the former managers of Starbucks had let him set up the tables and chairs 
outside in exchange for food and coffee.  The next manager stopped that.  Once 
he rescued a newborn in a garbage bin and that made headlines.  He had offers 
for jobs and people finding him to give gifts of food.  Nice guy but really out 
of his mind.
 
 I don't know about buying them a burger but perhaps keeping some food bars on 
hand.  There was one guy downtown often asking for money for food.  One day as 
I was leaving the town square I caught him throwing away most of deli sandwich 
he had just bought from what people had given him.
 
 Now as far as welfare goes what I said about California was a political issue 
started by Dubya who didn't like Californians voting against him. So they cut 
the money most states would get back from federal taxes.
 
 On 03/19/2014 08:26 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
   I remember the first time  I ever saw a person on a street corner holding a 
sign saying *will work for food*, back in the eighties. I thought my heart was 
being ripped out of my chest. Almost drove to an ATM to withdraw 20 bucks to 
give him, then thought about it and realized that was the response intended, to 
play on the heart strings of well meaning people. Later started hearing stories 
in the media that these people were raking in hundreds of dollars a day, tax 
free! They would drive their late model cars to a parking lot, get out and walk 
to a busy intersection and hold out their cardboard sign, begging for  a days 
work in exchange for food. So I decided that if  I ever saw a *regular*, I 
would either buy a burger and fries to give them or a new clean *T* 
shirt.However, I'm not going to support somebodies meth or crack problem.
 
 
 On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:48 AM, mailto:doctordumbass@... 
mailto:doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... 
wrote:
 
   Perhaps, but it still pisses me off, to see people, in this area with untold 
wealth, standing at the freeway off ramps, begging, while endless new, shiny, 
freshly washed cars, pass these guys, without giving them a nickel. What's a 
spare buck? Too embarrassed to give to a beggar? Fuck those rich fools.


















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Mike Dixon]

Well Judy, I wouldn't go so far as to say *all* poor people are druggies, just 
enough to ruin it for those that aren't. We all know that the poor who aren't 
on drugs are usually saintly, creative, intelligent, wise,motivated, kind, 
sweet, adorable,cute, and friendly but just down on their luck because some 
evil,rich, asshole is supressing them.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:17 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
Right, Mike, all poor people are druggies, and they're poor because they spend 
all their money on drugs. Everybody knows that.


And while we're at it, to keep things balanced, we could implement a maximum 
annual income. But I'm not sure how a minimum income would keep people off the 
streets and freeway exits. Seems to me that they would just have money to do 
drugs while begging to get more to have when they get home, the 24 hour stone!



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 
All the  more reason it is the time to
implement the annual minimum income.  Yup, the same idea that the
librul Richard Nixon proposed.  Switzerland is doing it why not
the US?  It would get people off the streets and away from the
freeway exits. 


On 03/19/2014 10:39 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote:

 
Nope. I look at these guys carefully enough. I know about
the scammers, and you *can* tell the difference. I don't
give money to scammers, and I don't give a damn if those
who need it, spend my buck on booze. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote :


Yes,
most of the people that  Doc is
seeing near the freeway off ramps are scammers.  I
recall seeing
one guy with a walker awkwardly moving to a car window
to get the
money fools were giving him.  The tip off is that he
wasn't doing
a very good job of faking the walker bit.  Then the
next day I saw
him downtown running around  without the walker.

At the shopping center nearby there would be
panhandlers looking
for money too.  But I found out in some cases when
they got enough
money they went into the drug store and bought a pint
of malt
liquor.  There was a guy asking for money for food in
nice new
sneakers and an expensive bike.

In this town the Baptist church has free lunches for
the
homeless.  We have one schizo who lives at the
waterfront park but
he won't beg for anything.  One of the former managers
of
Starbucks had let him set up the tables and chairs
outside in
exchange for food and coffee.  The next manager
stopped that. 
Once he rescued a newborn in a garbage bin and that
made
headlines.  He had offers for jobs and people finding
him to give
gifts of food.  Nice guy but really out of his mind.

I don't know about buying them a burger but perhaps
keeping some
food bars on hand.  There was one guy downtown often
asking for
money for food.  One day as I was leaving the town
square I caught
him throwing away most of deli sandwich he had just
bought from
what people had given him.

Now as far as welfare goes what I said about
California was a
political issue started by Dubya who didn't like
Californians
voting against him. So they cut the money most states
would get
back from federal taxes.


On 03/19/2014 08:26 AM,
Mike Dixon wrote:
  
I remember the first time  I ever saw a
person
on a street corner holding a sign saying *will
work
for food*, back in the eighties. I thought my
heart
was being ripped out of my chest. Almost drove
to an
ATM to withdraw 20 bucks to give him, then
thought
about it and realized that was the response
intended,
to play on the heart strings of well meaning
people.
Later started hearing stories in the media that
these
people were raking in hundreds of dollars a day,
tax
free! They would drive their late model cars to
a
parking lot, get out and walk to a busy
intersection
and hold out their cardboard sign, begging for 
a days
work in exchange for food. So I decided that if 
I
ever saw a *regular*, I would either buy a
burger and
fries to give them or a new clean *T*
shirt.However,
I'm not going to support somebodies meth or crack problem.



On
Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:48 AM, mailto:doctordumbass@... 
mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote:

 
Perhaps, but it still pisses
me
off, to see people, in this area
with
untold wealth, standing at the
freeway
off ramps, begging, while
endless new,
shiny, freshly washed cars, pass
these
guys, without giving them a
nickel.
What's a spare buck? Too
embarrassed
to give to a beggar? Fuck those
rich
fools.

  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[authfriend]

How many are just enough, Mike? I mean, let's get this nailed down. 

 
 Well Judy, I wouldn't go so far as to say *all* poor people are druggies, just 
enough to ruin it for those that aren't. We all know that the poor who aren't 
on drugs are usually saintly, creative, intelligent, wise,motivated, kind, 
sweet, adorable,cute, and friendly but just down on their luck because some 
evil,rich, asshole is supressing them.
 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Right, Mike, all poor people are druggies, and they're poor because they 
spend all their money on drugs. Everybody knows that.
 

 

 And while we're at it, to keep things balanced, we could implement a maximum 
annual income. But I'm not sure how a minimum income would keep people off the 
streets and freeway exits. Seems to me that they would just have money to do 
drugs while begging to get more to have when they get home, the 24 hour stone! 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 
   
 All the  more reason it is the time to implement the annual minimum income.  
Yup, the same idea that the librul Richard Nixon proposed.  Switzerland is 
doing it why not the US?  It would get people off the streets and away from the 
freeway exits. 
 
 On 03/19/2014 10:39 AM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
   Nope. I look at these guys carefully enough. I know about the scammers, and 
you *can* tell the difference. I don't give money to scammers, and I don't give 
a damn if those who need it, spend my buck on booze. 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Yes, most of the people that  Doc is seeing near the freeway off ramps are 
scammers.  I recall seeing one guy with a walker awkwardly moving to a car 
window to get the money fools were giving him.  The tip off is that he wasn't 
doing a very good job of faking the walker bit.  Then the next day I saw him 
downtown running around  without the walker.
 
 At the shopping center nearby there would be panhandlers looking for money 
too.  But I found out in some cases when they got enough money they went into 
the drug store and bought a pint of malt liquor.  There was a guy asking for 
money for food in nice new sneakers and an expensive bike.
 
 In this town the Baptist church has free lunches for the homeless.  We have 
one schizo who lives at the waterfront park but he won't beg for anything.  One 
of the former managers of Starbucks had let him set up the tables and chairs 
outside in exchange for food and coffee.  The next manager stopped that.  Once 
he rescued a newborn in a garbage bin and that made headlines.  He had offers 
for jobs and people finding him to give gifts of food.  Nice guy but really out 
of his mind.
 
 I don't know about buying them a burger but perhaps keeping some food bars on 
hand.  There was one guy downtown often asking for money for food.  One day as 
I was leaving the town square I caught him throwing away most of deli sandwich 
he had just bought from what people had given him.
 
 Now as far as welfare goes what I said about California was a political issue 
started by Dubya who didn't like Californians voting against him. So they cut 
the money most states would get back from federal taxes.
 
 On 03/19/2014 08:26 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
   I remember the first time  I ever saw a person on a street corner holding a 
sign saying *will work for food*, back in the eighties. I thought my heart was 
being ripped out of my chest. Almost drove to an ATM to withdraw 20 bucks to 
give him, then thought about it and realized that was the response intended, to 
play on the heart strings of well meaning people. Later started hearing stories 
in the media that these people were raking in hundreds of dollars a day, tax 
free! They would drive their late model cars to a parking lot, get out and walk 
to a busy intersection and hold out their cardboard sign, begging for  a days 
work in exchange for food. So I decided that if  I ever saw a *regular*, I 
would either buy a burger and fries to give them or a new clean *T* 
shirt.However, I'm not going to support somebodies meth or crack problem.
 
 
 On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:48 AM, mailto:doctordumbass@... 
mailto:doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... 
wrote:
 
   Perhaps, but it still pisses me off, to see people, in this area with untold 
wealth, standing at the freeway off ramps, begging, while endless new, shiny, 
freshly washed cars, pass these guys, without giving them a nickel. What's a 
spare buck? Too embarrassed to give to a beggar? Fuck those rich fools.


















 


 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Mike Dixon]

Well, I couldn't give you an exact figure but you could start with those in the 
prison system, or have been, that were busted for drug posession. I doubt if 
many would not qualify as being poor.




On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:16 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
How many are just enough, Mike? I mean, let's get this nailed down.



Well Judy, I wouldn't go so far as to say *all* poor people are druggies, just 
enough to ruin it for those that aren't. We all know that the poor who aren't 
on drugs are usually saintly, creative, intelligent, wise,motivated, kind, 
sweet, adorable,cute, and friendly but just down on their luck because some 
evil,rich, asshole is supressing them.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:17 PM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:

 
Right, Mike, all poor people are druggies, and they're poor because they spend 
all their money on drugs. Everybody knows that.


And while we're at it, to keep things balanced, we could implement a maximum 
annual income. But I'm not sure how a minimum income would keep people off the 
streets and freeway exits. Seems to me that they would just have money to do 
drugs while begging to get more to have when they get
home, the 24 hour stone!



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 
All the  more reason it is the time to
implement the annual minimum income.  Yup, the same idea that the
librul Richard Nixon proposed.  Switzerland is doing it why not
the US?  It would get people off the streets and away from the
freeway exits. 



On 03/19/2014 10:39 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote:

 
Nope. I look at these guys carefully enough. I know about
the scammers, and you *can* tell the difference. I don't
give money to scammers, and I don't give a damn if those
who need it, spend my buck on booze. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote :


Yes,
most of the people that  Doc is
seeing near the freeway off ramps are scammers.  I
recall seeing
one guy with a walker awkwardly moving to a car window
to get the
money fools were giving him.  The tip off is that he
wasn't doing
a very good job of faking the walker bit.  Then the
next day I saw
him downtown running around  without the walker.

At the shopping center nearby there would be
panhandlers looking
for money too.  But I found out in some cases when
they got enough
money they went into the drug store and bought a pint
of malt
liquor.  There was a guy asking for money for food in
nice new
sneakers and an expensive bike.

In this town the Baptist church has free lunches for
the
homeless.  We have one schizo who lives at the
waterfront park but
he won't beg for anything.  One of the former managers
of
Starbucks had let him set up the tables and chairs
outside in
exchange for food and coffee.  The next manager
stopped that. 
Once he rescued a newborn in a garbage bin and that
made
headlines.  He had offers for jobs and people finding
him to give
gifts of food.  Nice guy but really out of his mind.

I don't know about buying them a burger but perhaps
keeping some
food bars on hand.  There was one guy downtown often
asking for
money for food.  One day as I was leaving the town
square I caught
him throwing away most of deli sandwich he had just
bought from
what people had given him.

Now as far as welfare goes what I said about
California was a
political issue started by Dubya who didn't like
Californians
voting against him. So they cut the money most states
would get
back from federal taxes.


On 03/19/2014 08:26 AM,
Mike Dixon wrote:
  
I remember the first time  I ever saw a
person
on a street corner holding a sign saying *will
work
for food*, back in the eighties. I thought my
heart
was being ripped out of my chest. Almost drove
to an
ATM to withdraw 20 bucks to give him, then
thought
about it and realized that was the response
intended,
to play on the heart strings of well meaning
people.
Later started hearing stories in the media that
these
people were raking in hundreds of dollars a day,
tax
free! They would drive their late model cars to
a
parking lot, get out and walk to a busy
intersection
and hold out their cardboard sign, begging for 
a days
work in exchange for food. So I decided that if 
I
ever saw a *regular*, I would either buy a
burger and
fries to give them or a new clean *T*
shirt.However,
I'm not going to support somebodies meth or crack problem.



On
Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:48 AM, mailto:doctordumbass@... 
mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote:

 
Perhaps, but it still pisses
me
off, to see people, in this area
with
untold wealth, standing at the
freeway
off ramps, begging, while
endless new,
shiny, freshly washed cars, pass
these
guys, without giving them a
nickel.
What's a spare buck? Too
embarrassed
to give to a beggar? Fuck those
rich
fools.



  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[authfriend]

Would that include people who were busted for small amounts of marijuana? 

 Well, I couldn't give you an exact figure but you could start with those in 
the prison system, or have been, that were busted for drug posession. I doubt 
if many would not qualify as being poor. 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:16 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   How many are just enough, Mike? I mean, let's get this nailed down.
 

 
 Well Judy, I wouldn't go so far as to say *all* poor people are druggies, just 
enough to ruin it for those that aren't. We all know that the poor who aren't 
on drugs are usually saintly, creative, intelligent, wise,motivated, kind, 
sweet, adorable,cute, and friendly but just down on their luck because some 
evil,rich, asshole is supressing them.
 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Right, Mike, all poor people are druggies, and they're poor because they 
spend all their money on drugs. Everybody knows that.
 

 

 And while we're at it, to keep things balanced, we could implement a maximum 
annual income. But I'm not sure how a minimum income would keep people off the 
streets and freeway exits. Seems to me that they would just have money to do 
drugs while begging to get more to have when they get home, the 24 hour stone! 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 
   
 All the  more reason it is the time to implement the annual minimum income.  
Yup, the same idea that the librul Richard Nixon proposed.  Switzerland is 
doing it why not the US?  It would get people off the streets and away from the 
freeway exits. 
 
 On 03/19/2014 10:39 AM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
   Nope. I look at these guys carefully enough. I know about the scammers, and 
you *can* tell the difference. I don't give money to scammers, and I don't give 
a damn if those who need it, spend my buck on booze. 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Yes, most of the people that  Doc is seeing near the freeway off ramps are 
scammers.  I recall seeing one guy with a walker awkwardly moving to a car 
window to get the money fools were giving him.  The tip off is that he wasn't 
doing a very good job of faking the walker bit.  Then the next day I saw him 
downtown running around  without the walker.
 
 At the shopping center nearby there would be panhandlers looking for money 
too.  But I found out in some cases when they got enough money they went into 
the drug store and bought a pint of malt liquor.  There was a guy asking for 
money for food in nice new sneakers and an expensive bike.
 
 In this town the Baptist church has free lunches for the homeless.  We have 
one schizo who lives at the waterfront park but he won't beg for anything.  One 
of the former managers of Starbucks had let him set up the tables and chairs 
outside in exchange for food and coffee.  The next manager stopped that.  Once 
he rescued a newborn in a garbage bin and that made headlines.  He had offers 
for jobs and people finding him to give gifts of food.  Nice guy but really out 
of his mind.
 
 I don't know about buying them a burger but perhaps keeping some food bars on 
hand.  There was one guy downtown often asking for money for food.  One day as 
I was leaving the town square I caught him throwing away most of deli sandwich 
he had just bought from what people had given him.
 
 Now as far as welfare goes what I said about California was a political issue 
started by Dubya who didn't like Californians voting against him. So they cut 
the money most states would get back from federal taxes.
 
 On 03/19/2014 08:26 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
   I remember the first time  I ever saw a person on a street corner holding a 
sign saying *will work for food*, back in the eighties. I thought my heart was 
being ripped out of my chest. Almost drove to an ATM to withdraw 20 bucks to 
give him, then thought about it and realized that was the response intended, to 
play on the heart strings of well meaning people. Later started hearing stories 
in the media that these people were raking in hundreds of dollars a day, tax 
free! They would drive their late model cars to a parking lot, get out and walk 
to a busy intersection and hold out their cardboard sign, begging for  a days 
work in exchange for food. So I decided that if  I ever saw a *regular*, I 
would either buy a burger and fries to give them or a new clean *T* 
shirt.However, I'm not going to support somebodies meth or crack problem.
 
 
 On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:48 AM, mailto:doctordumbass@... 
mailto:doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... 
wrote:
 
   Perhaps, but it still pisses me off, to see people, in this area with untold 
wealth, standing at the freeway off ramps, begging, while endless new, shiny, 
freshly washed cars, pass these guys, without giving them 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Mike Dixon]

 I would say a small amount is *just enough*.




On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:51 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
Would that include people who were busted for small amounts of marijuana?

Well, I couldn't give you an exact figure but you could start with those in the 
prison system, or have been, that were busted for drug posession. I doubt if 
many would not qualify as being poor.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:16 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
How many are just enough, Mike? I mean, let's get this nailed down.



Well Judy, I wouldn't go so far as to say *all* poor people are druggies, just 
enough to ruin it for those that aren't. We all know that the poor who aren't 
on drugs are usually saintly, creative, intelligent, wise,motivated, kind, 
sweet, adorable,cute, and friendly but just down on their luck because some 
evil,rich, asshole is supressing them.



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:17 PM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:

 
Right, Mike, all poor people are druggies, and they're poor because they spend 
all their money on drugs. Everybody knows that.


And while we're at it, to keep things balanced, we could implement a maximum
annual income. But I'm not sure how a minimum income would keep people off the 
streets and freeway exits. Seems to me that they would just have money to do 
drugs while begging to get more to have when they get
home, the 24 hour stone!



On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 
All the  more reason it is the time to
implement the annual minimum income.  Yup, the same idea that the
librul Richard Nixon proposed.  Switzerland is doing it why not
the US?  It would get people off the streets and away from the
freeway exits. 



On 03/19/2014 10:39 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote:

 
Nope. I look at these guys carefully enough. I know about
the scammers, and you *can* tell the difference. I don't
give money to scammers, and I don't give a damn if those
who need it, spend my buck on booze. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote :


Yes,
most of the people that  Doc is
seeing near the freeway off ramps are scammers.  I
recall seeing
one guy with a walker awkwardly moving to a car window
to get the
money fools were giving him.  The tip off is that he
wasn't doing
a very good job of faking the walker bit.  Then the
next day I saw
him downtown running around  without the walker.

At the shopping center nearby there would be
panhandlers looking
for money too.  But I found out in some cases when
they got enough
money they went into the drug store and bought a pint
of malt
liquor.  There was a guy asking for money for food in
nice new
sneakers and an expensive bike.

In this town the Baptist church has free lunches for
the
homeless.  We have one schizo who lives at the
waterfront park but
he won't beg for anything.  One of the former managers
of
Starbucks had let him set up the tables and chairs
outside in
exchange for food and coffee.  The next manager
stopped that. 
Once he rescued a newborn in a garbage bin and that
made
headlines.  He had offers for jobs and people finding
him to give
gifts of food.  Nice guy but really out of his mind.

I don't know about buying them a burger but perhaps
keeping some
food bars on hand.  There was one guy downtown often
asking for
money for food.  One day as I was leaving the town
square I caught
him throwing away most of deli sandwich he had just
bought from
what people had given him.

Now as far as welfare goes what I said about
California was a
political issue started by Dubya who didn't like
Californians
voting against him. So they cut the money most states
would get
back from federal taxes.


On 03/19/2014 08:26 AM,
Mike Dixon wrote:
  
I remember the first time  I ever saw a
person
on a street corner holding a sign saying *will
work
for food*, back in the eighties. I thought my
heart
was being ripped out of my chest. Almost drove
to an
ATM to withdraw 20 bucks to give him, then
thought
about it and realized that was the response
intended,
to play on the heart strings of well meaning
people.
Later started hearing stories in the media that
these
people were raking in hundreds of dollars a day,
tax
free! They would drive their late model cars to
a
parking lot, get out and walk to a busy
intersection
and hold out their cardboard sign, begging for 
a days
work in exchange for food. So I decided that if 
I
ever saw a *regular*, I would either buy a
burger and
fries to give them or a new clean *T*
shirt.However,
I'm not going to support somebodies meth or crack problem.



On
Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:48 AM, mailto:doctordumbass@... 
mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote:

 
Perhaps, but it still pisses
me
off, to see people, in this area
with
untold wealth, standing at the
freeway
off ramps, begging, while
endless new,
shiny, freshly washed cars, pass
these
guys, without giving them a
nickel.
What's a spare buck? Too
embarrassed
to give to a beggar? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[authfriend]

I would say you lost this one, Mike. 

 I would say a small amount is *just enough*. 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:51 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Would that include people who were busted for small amounts of marijuana?
 

 Well, I couldn't give you an exact figure but you could start with those in 
the prison system, or have been, that were busted for drug posession. I doubt 
if many would not qualify as being poor. 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:16 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   How many are just enough, Mike? I mean, let's get this nailed down.
 

 
 Well Judy, I wouldn't go so far as to say *all* poor people are druggies, just 
enough to ruin it for those that aren't. We all know that the poor who aren't 
on drugs are usually saintly, creative, intelligent, wise,motivated, kind, 
sweet, adorable,cute, and friendly but just down on their luck because some 
evil,rich, asshole is supressing them.
 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Right, Mike, all poor people are druggies, and they're poor because they 
spend all their money on drugs. Everybody knows that.
 

 

 And while we're at it, to keep things balanced, we could implement a maximum 
annual income. But I'm not sure how a minimum income would keep people off the 
streets and freeway exits. Seems to me that they would just have money to do 
drugs while begging to get more to have when they get home, the 24 hour stone! 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 
   
 All the  more reason it is the time to implement the annual minimum income.  
Yup, the same idea that the librul Richard Nixon proposed.  Switzerland is 
doing it why not the US?  It would get people off the streets and away from the 
freeway exits. 
 
 On 03/19/2014 10:39 AM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
   Nope. I look at these guys carefully enough. I know about the scammers, and 
you *can* tell the difference. I don't give money to scammers, and I don't give 
a damn if those who need it, spend my buck on booze. 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Yes, most of the people that  Doc is seeing near the freeway off ramps are 
scammers.  I recall seeing one guy with a walker awkwardly moving to a car 
window to get the money fools were giving him.  The tip off is that he wasn't 
doing a very good job of faking the walker bit.  Then the next day I saw him 
downtown running around  without the walker.
 
 At the shopping center nearby there would be panhandlers looking for money 
too.  But I found out in some cases when they got enough money they went into 
the drug store and bought a pint of malt liquor.  There was a guy asking for 
money for food in nice new sneakers and an expensive bike.
 
 In this town the Baptist church has free lunches for the homeless.  We have 
one schizo who lives at the waterfront park but he won't beg for anything.  One 
of the former managers of Starbucks had let him set up the tables and chairs 
outside in exchange for food and coffee.  The next manager stopped that.  Once 
he rescued a newborn in a garbage bin and that made headlines.  He had offers 
for jobs and people finding him to give gifts of food.  Nice guy but really out 
of his mind.
 
 I don't know about buying them a burger but perhaps keeping some food bars on 
hand.  There was one guy downtown often asking for money for food.  One day as 
I was leaving the town square I caught him throwing away most of deli sandwich 
he had just bought from what people had given him.
 
 Now as far as welfare goes what I said about California was a political issue 
started by Dubya who didn't like Californians voting against him. So they cut 
the money most states would get back from federal taxes.
 
 On 03/19/2014 08:26 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
   I remember the first time  I ever saw a person on a street corner holding a 
sign saying *will work for food*, back in the eighties. I thought my heart was 
being ripped out of my chest. Almost drove to an ATM to withdraw 20 bucks to 
give him, then thought about it and realized that was the response intended, to 
play on the heart strings of well meaning people. Later started hearing stories 
in the media that these people were raking in hundreds of dollars a day, tax 
free! They would drive their late model cars to a parking lot, get out and walk 
to a busy intersection and hold out their cardboard sign, begging for  a days 
work in exchange for food. So I decided that if  I ever saw a *regular*, I 
would either buy a burger and fries to give them or a new clean *T* 
shirt.However, I'm not going to support somebodies meth or crack problem.
 
 
 On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:48 AM, mailto:doctordumbass@... 
mailto:doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... 
wrote:
 
   Perhaps, but it still pisses me off, to see 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[doctordumbass]

Perhaps, but it still pisses me off, to see people, in this area with untold 
wealth, standing at the freeway off ramps, begging, while endless new, shiny, 
freshly washed cars, pass these guys, without giving them a nickel. What's a 
spare buck? Too embarrassed to give to a beggar? Fuck those rich fools.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

 See? Even Bhairitu is against welfare, the rich supporting the poor. Now, it 
won't be a few rich hippies dictating what part of California secedes and joins 
up with whoever. It'll be Hispanics that decide if they join Mexico. Now here 
in Texas, we remember the Alamo!
 
 
 On Monday, March 17, 2014 9:17 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 
   
 No, we Californians want to secede and form a new country probably taking in 
Oregon and Washington.  Oh, SoCal can join Mexico though.  Why secede?  Because 
the Red States are getting more money back from the feds than Blue California 
and we pay in a lot.  And California has one of the largest economies in world.
 
 On 03/17/2014 07:23 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
   And ... and  and if the people of California want to secede and be part 
of Mexico again, what's wrong with that?
 
 
 On Monday, March 17, 2014 7:06 AM, Mike Dixon mailto:mdixon.6569@... 
mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote:
 
   Well, I'm sure the people of Austria and the Sudetenland wanted to be 
annexed as well back in the 30's. No biggie there.
 
 
 On Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:59 PM, mailto:steve.sundur@... 
mailto:steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote :
 
 Yes, I'd dispose of the nest for sure.  Look online...gotta bb gun?  
 yes, whole arsenal of bb and pellet guns.  (backyard activity) (no animals 
though)  have you ever seen aerosol paint cans explode?
 

 They've probably made a real mess in there. 
 understatement!!
 

  Wear a mask, maybe. 
 yes, definitely
 

  I had mice that came in the kitchen every year while we were on vacation in 
Whistler.  I would have to remove and clean everything and set traps. I killed 
7 one year in short order with peanut butter.  And we caught a few and took 
them to a nearby park.  And, the cat did a bang up job outside with mice and 
moles for several years. Then, after about a month, they would leave and I 
wouldn't see them until the next year.  I couldn't figure how they were getting 
in until I had water damage and found out there was a big hole in the drywall 
behind the sink.  Problem solved.  I wasn't a fan of poison but it was a huge 
hassle.  
 doesn't take much of an opening, to create an opening, if you know what I mean.
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 They've got the run of the whole length of the eves, and I have access to only 
one little part.  I think I will remove the nest, unblock the hole and try to 
coax them out.  
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote :
 
 Yeah, either that or just take the nest out.  They might have to abandon this 
year's chicks, but hopefully the birds will relocate.  It would be a lot easier 
if they find a new home.  
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 Great Idea.  I can get to the next.  It is reachable.  And I can open the 
window during the day.  So, I'll put the nest next to the window.  Thanks
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote :
 
 Can you get to the nest?  Open the window.  
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 Yes, I guess that would be a problem.   
 
 Here's what I was faced with today, (and I don't mean to belittle the Crimean 
Tatars), I am trying to fix up a building we own and turn it into rental 
property.  There was an area in the eves where a family of pigeons was getting 
in.  With all the noise, I thought they had left, and I blocked up the hole 
yesterday with some bricks.  But this morning I saw two of them running around, 
and a nest with two eggs in it.  I also saw that the eves area was much larger 
than I thought, so there was no way to try to catch them, or shoo them out of a 
window.
 
 
 So, I am resigned, I think to just let them die there.  But because the wall 
is all torn out, I may go up tomorrow, and open a window, and see if they will 
fly out.  
 
 
 But truthfully, I also think they may just be a casualty of the circumstances.
 
 
 So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the Crimea 
Tatars aren't oppressed?
 
 
 ---In 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Mike Dixon]

I remember the first time  I ever saw a person on a street corner holding a 
sign saying *will work for food*, back in the eighties. I thought my heart was 
being ripped out of my chest. Almost drove to an ATM to withdraw 20 bucks to 
give him, then thought about it and realized that was the response intended, to 
play on the heart strings of well meaning people. Later started hearing stories 
in the media that these people were raking in hundreds of dollars a day, tax 
free! They would drive their late model cars to a parking lot, get out and walk 
to a busy intersection and hold out their cardboard sign, begging for  a days 
work in exchange for food. So I decided that if  I ever saw a *regular*, I 
would either buy a burger and fries to give them or a new clean *T* shirt.
However, I'm not going to support somebodies meth or crack problem.



On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:48 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com 
doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
  
  
Perhaps, but it still pisses me off, to see people, in this area with untold 
wealth, standing at the freeway off ramps, begging, while endless new, shiny, 
freshly washed cars, pass these guys, without giving them a nickel. What's a 
spare buck? Too embarrassed to give to a beggar? Fuck those rich fools.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :


See? Even Bhairitu is against welfare, the rich supporting the poor. Now, it 
won't be a few rich hippies dictating what part of California secedes and joins 
up with whoever. It'll be Hispanics that decide if they join Mexico. Now here 
in Texas, we remember the Alamo!



On Monday, March 17, 2014 9:17 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 
No, we Californians want to secede and
form a new country probably taking in Oregon and Washington.  Oh, SoCal can 
join Mexico though.  Why secede?  Because the Red States
are getting more money back from the feds than Blue California and
we pay in a lot.  And California has one of the largest economies
in world.


On 03/17/2014 07:23 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:

 
And ... and  and if the people of
California want to secede and be part of Mexico again,
what's wrong with that?



On
Monday, March 17, 2014 7:06 AM, Mike Dixon mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote:

 
Well, I'm sure the people
of Austria and the Sudetenland
wanted to be annexed as well back
in the 30's. No biggie there.



On
Sunday, March 16, 2014
8:59 PM, mailto:steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:

 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote :


Yes,
I'd dispose of
the nest for
sure.  Look online...gotta bb gun?  
yes,
whole arsenal
of bb and pellet
guns.
 (backyard
activity) (no
animals
though)  have
you ever seen
aerosol paint
cans explode?


They've
probably made
a real mess in
there. 
understatement!!


 Wear
a mask,
maybe. 
yes,
definitely


 I
had mice that
came in the
kitchen every
year while we
were on
vacation in
Whistler.  I
would have to
remove and
clean
everything and
set traps. I
killed 7 one
year in short
order with
peanut butter.
 And we caught
a few and took
them to a
nearby park.
 And, the cat
did a bang up
job outside
with mice and
moles for
several years.
Then, after
about a month,
they would
leave and I
wouldn't see
them until the
next year.  I
couldn't
figure how
they were
getting in
until I had
water damage
and found out
there was a
big hole in
the drywall
behind the
sink.  Problem
solved.  I
wasn't a fan
of poison but
it was a huge
hassle.  
doesn't
take much of
an opening, to
create an
opening, if
you know what
I mean.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :


They've
got the run of
the whole
length of the
eves, and I
have access to
only one
little part.
 I think I
will remove
the nest,
unblock the
hole and try
to coax them
out.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote :


Yeah,
either that or
just take the
nest out.
 They might
have to
abandon this
year's chicks,
but hopefully
the birds will
relocate.  It
would be a lot
easier if they
find a new
home.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :


Great
Idea.  I can
get to the
next.  It is
reachable.
 And I can
open the
window during
the day.  So,
I'll put the
nest next to
the window.
 Thanks



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote :


Can
you get to the
nest?  Open
the window.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :


Yes, I
guess that
would be a
problem.  


Here's
what I was
faced with
today, (and I
don't mean to
belittle the
Crimean
Tatars), I am
trying to fix
up a building
we own and
turn it into
rental
property.
 There was an
area in the
eves where a
family of
pigeons was
getting in.
 With all the
noise, I
thought they
had left, and
I blocked up
the hole
yesterday with
some bricks.
 But this
morning I saw
two of them
running
around, and a
nest with two
eggs in it.  I
also saw that
the eves area
was much
larger than I
thought, so

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[doctordumbass]

Nope. I look at these guys carefully enough. I know about the scammers, and you 
*can* tell the difference. I don't give money to scammers, and I don't give a 
damn if those who need it, spend my buck on booze. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Yes, most of the people that  Doc is seeing near the freeway off ramps are 
scammers.  I recall seeing one guy with a walker awkwardly moving to a car 
window to get the money fools were giving him.  The tip off is that he wasn't 
doing a very good job of faking the walker bit.  Then the next day I saw him 
downtown running around  without the walker.
 
 At the shopping center nearby there would be panhandlers looking for money 
too.  But I found out in some cases when they got enough money they went into 
the drug store and bought a pint of malt liquor.  There was a guy asking for 
money for food in nice new sneakers and an expensive bike.
 
 In this town the Baptist church has free lunches for the homeless.  We have 
one schizo who lives at the waterfront park but he won't beg for anything.  One 
of the former managers of Starbucks had let him set up the tables and chairs 
outside in exchange for food and coffee.  The next manager stopped that.  Once 
he rescued a newborn in a garbage bin and that made headlines.  He had offers 
for jobs and people finding him to give gifts of food.  Nice guy but really out 
of his mind.
 
 I don't know about buying them a burger but perhaps keeping some food bars on 
hand.  There was one guy downtown often asking for money for food.  One day as 
I was leaving the town square I caught him throwing away most of deli sandwich 
he had just bought from what people had given him.
 
 Now as far as welfare goes what I said about California was a political issue 
started by Dubya who didn't like Californians voting against him. So they cut 
the money most states would get back from federal taxes.
 
 On 03/19/2014 08:26 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
   I remember the first time  I ever saw a person on a street corner holding a 
sign saying *will work for food*, back in the eighties. I thought my heart was 
being ripped out of my chest. Almost drove to an ATM to withdraw 20 bucks to 
give him, then thought about it and realized that was the response intended, to 
play on the heart strings of well meaning people. Later started hearing stories 
in the media that these people were raking in hundreds of dollars a day, tax 
free! They would drive their late model cars to a parking lot, get out and walk 
to a busy intersection and hold out their cardboard sign, begging for  a days 
work in exchange for food. So I decided that if  I ever saw a *regular*, I 
would either buy a burger and fries to give them or a new clean *T* 
shirt.However, I'm not going to support somebodies meth or crack problem.
 
 
 On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:48 AM, doctordumbass@... 
mailto:doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
   Perhaps, but it still pisses me off, to see people, in this area with untold 
wealth, standing at the freeway off ramps, begging, while endless new, shiny, 
freshly washed cars, pass these guys, without giving them a nickel. What's a 
spare buck? Too embarrassed to give to a beggar? Fuck those rich fools.

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote :
 
 See? Even Bhairitu is against welfare, the rich supporting the poor. Now, it 
won't be a few rich hippies dictating what part of California secedes and joins 
up with whoever. It'll be Hispanics that decide if they join Mexico. Now here 
in Texas, we remember the Alamo!
 
 
 On Monday, March 17, 2014 9:17 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... 
wrote:
 
   No, we Californians want to secede and form a new country probably taking in 
Oregon and Washington.  Oh, SoCal can join Mexico though.  Why secede?  Because 
the Red States are getting more money back from the feds than Blue California 
and we pay in a lot.  And California has one of the largest economies in world.
 
 On 03/17/2014 07:23 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
   And ... and  and if the people of California want to secede and be part 
of Mexico again, what's wrong with that?
 
 
 On Monday, March 17, 2014 7:06 AM, Mike Dixon mailto:mdixon.6569@... 
mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote:
 
   Well, I'm sure the people of Austria and the Sudetenland wanted to be 
annexed as well back in the 30's. No biggie there.
 
 
 On Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:59 PM, mailto:steve.sundur@... 
mailto:steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote :
 
 Yes, I'd dispose of the nest for sure.  Look online...gotta bb gun?  
 yes, whole arsenal of bb and pellet guns.  (backyard activity) (no animals 
though)  have you ever seen aerosol paint cans explode?
 

 They've 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Mike Dixon]

See? Even Bhairitu is against welfare, the rich supporting the poor. Now, it 
won't be a few rich hippies dictating what part of California secedes and joins 
up with whoever. It'll be Hispanics that decide if they join Mexico. Now here 
in Texas, we remember the Alamo!




On Monday, March 17, 2014 9:17 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
  
  
No, we Californians want to secede and form a new country probably taking in 
Oregon and Washington.  Oh, SoCal can join Mexico though.  Why secede?  Because 
the Red States are getting more money back from the feds than Blue California 
and we pay in a lot.  And California has one of the largest economies in world.

On 03/17/2014 07:23 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
  
And ... and  and if the people of California want to secede and be part of 
Mexico again, what's wrong with that? 



On Monday, March 17, 2014 7:06 AM, Mike Dixon mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
  
  
Well, I'm sure the people of Austria and the Sudetenland wanted to be annexed 
as well back in the 30's. No biggie there. 



On Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:59 PM, mailto:steve.sun...@yahoo.com 
mailto:steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote :


Yes, I'd dispose of the nest for sure.  Look online...gotta bb gun?   
yes, whole arsenal of bb and pellet guns.  (backyard activity) (no animals 
though)  have you ever seen aerosol paint cans explode? 

 
They've probably made a real mess in there.  
understatement!! 

 
 Wear a mask, maybe.  
yes, definitely 

 
 I had mice that came in the kitchen every year while we were on vacation in 
Whistler.  I would have to remove and clean everything and set traps. I killed 
7 one year in short order with peanut butter.  And we caught a few and took 
them to a nearby park.  And, the cat did a bang up job outside with mice and 
moles for several years. Then, after about a month, they would leave and I 
wouldn't see them until the next year.  I couldn't figure how they were 
getting in until I had water damage and found out there was a big hole in the 
drywall behind the sink.  Problem solved.  I wasn't a fan of poison but it was 
a huge hassle.   
doesn't take much of an opening, to create an opening, if you know what I mean.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :


They've got the run of the whole length of the eves, and I have access to only 
one little part.  I think I will remove the nest, unblock the hole and try to 
coax them out.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote :


Yeah, either that or just take the nest out.  They might have to abandon this 
year's chicks, but hopefully the birds will relocate.  It would be a lot 
easier if they find a new home.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :


Great Idea.  I can get to the next.  It is reachable.  And I can open the 
window during the day.  So, I'll put the nest next to the window.  Thanks
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote :


Can you get to the nest?  Open the window.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :


Yes, I guess that would be a problem.   

 
Here's what I was faced with today, (and I don't mean to belittle the Crimean 
Tatars), I am trying to fix up a building we own and turn it into rental 
property.  There was an area in the eves where a family of pigeons was getting 
in.  With all the noise, I thought they had left, and I blocked up the hole 
yesterday with some bricks.  But this morning I saw two of them running 
around, and a nest with two eggs in it.  I also saw that the eves area was 
much larger than I thought, so there was no way to try to catch them, or shoo 
them out of a window. 

 
So, I am resigned, I think to just let them die there.  But because the wall 
is all torn out, I may go up tomorrow, and open a window, and see if they will 
fly out.   

 
But truthfully, I also think they may just be a casualty of the circumstances. 

 
So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the Crimea 
Tatars aren't oppressed?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:punditster@... wrote :


On 3/16/2014 6:36 PM, steve.sundur@... wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
If the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia, why is it that big 
of a deal?

Maybe because
  the indigenous
  inhabitants,
  the Crimean
  Tatars, want
  to be free and
  not deported
  to Siberia
  gain?
   

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Mike Dixon]

Well, I'm sure the people of Austria and the Sudetenland wanted to be annexed 
as well back in the 30's. No biggie there.




On Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:59 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com 
steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :


Yes, I'd dispose of the nest for sure.  Look online...gotta bb gun?  
yes, whole arsenal of bb and pellet guns.  (backyard activity) (no animals 
though)  have you ever seen aerosol paint cans explode?

They've probably made a real mess in there. 
understatement!!

 Wear a mask, maybe. 
yes, definitely

 I had mice that came in the kitchen every year while we were on vacation in 
Whistler.  I would have to remove and clean everything and set traps. I killed 
7 one year in short order with peanut butter.  And we caught a few and took 
them to a nearby park.  And, the cat did a bang up job outside with mice and 
moles for several years. Then, after about a month, they would leave and I 
wouldn't see them until the next year.  I couldn't figure how they were getting 
in until I had water damage and found out there was a big hole in the drywall 
behind the sink.  Problem solved.  I wasn't a fan of poison but it was a huge 
hassle.  
doesn't take much of an opening, to create an opening, if you know what I mean.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


They've got the run of the whole length of the eves, and I have access to only 
one little part.  I think I will remove the nest, unblock the hole and try to 
coax them out.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :


Yeah, either that or just take the nest out.  They might have to abandon this 
year's chicks, but hopefully the birds will relocate.  It would be a lot easier 
if they find a new home.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


Great Idea.  I can get to the next.  It is reachable.  And I can open the 
window during the day.  So, I'll put the nest next to the window.  Thanks



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :


Can you get to the nest?  Open the window.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


Yes, I guess that would be a problem.  

Here's what I was faced with today, (and I don't mean to belittle the Crimean 
Tatars), I am trying to fix up a building we own and turn it into rental 
property.  There was an area in the eves where a family of pigeons was getting 
in.  With all the noise, I thought they had left, and I blocked up the hole 
yesterday with some bricks.  But this morning I saw two of them running around, 
and a nest with two eggs in it.  I also saw that the eves area was much larger 
than I thought, so there was no way to try to catch them, or shoo them out of a 
window.

So, I am resigned, I think to just let them die there.  But because the wall is 
all torn out, I may go up tomorrow, and open a window, and see if they will fly 
out.  

But truthfully, I also think they may just be a casualty of the circumstances.

So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the Crimea 
Tatars aren't oppressed?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :


On 3/16/2014 6:36 PM, steve.sundur@... wrote:

If the people of Crimea wish to
be a part of Russia, why is it that big of a deal?

Maybe because the indigenous inhabitants, the Crimean Tatars, want
to be free and not deported to Siberia gain?
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Mike Dixon]

And ... and  and if the people of California want to secede and be part of 
Mexico again, what's wrong with that?




On Monday, March 17, 2014 7:06 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
Well, I'm sure the people of Austria and the Sudetenland wanted to be annexed 
as well back in the 30's. No biggie there.



On Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:59 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com 
steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :


Yes, I'd dispose of the nest for sure.  Look online...gotta bb gun?  
yes, whole arsenal of bb and pellet guns.  (backyard activity) (no animals 
though)  have you ever seen aerosol paint cans explode?

They've probably made a real mess in there. 
understatement!!

 Wear a mask, maybe. 
yes, definitely

 I had mice that came in the kitchen every year while we were on vacation in 
Whistler.  I would have to remove and clean everything and set traps. I killed 
7 one year in short order with peanut butter.  And we caught a few and took 
them to a nearby park.  And, the cat did a bang up job outside with mice and 
moles for several years. Then, after about a month, they would leave and I 
wouldn't see them until the next year.  I couldn't figure how they were getting 
in until I had water damage and found out there was a big hole in the drywall 
behind the sink.  Problem solved.  I wasn't a fan of poison but it was a huge 
hassle.  
doesn't take much of an opening, to create an opening, if you know what I mean.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


They've got the run of the whole length of the eves, and I have access to only 
one little part.  I think I will remove the nest, unblock the hole and try to 
coax them out.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :


Yeah, either that or just take the nest out.  They might have to abandon this 
year's chicks, but hopefully the birds will relocate.  It would be a lot easier 
if they find a new home.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


Great Idea.  I can get to the next.  It is reachable.  And I can open the 
window during the day.  So, I'll put the nest next to the window.  Thanks



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :


Can you get to the nest?  Open the window.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


Yes, I guess that would be a problem.  

Here's what I was faced with today, (and I don't mean to belittle the Crimean 
Tatars), I am trying to fix up a building we own and turn it into rental 
property.  There was an area in the eves where a family of pigeons was getting 
in.  With all the noise, I thought they had left, and I blocked up the hole 
yesterday with some bricks.  But this morning I saw two of them running around, 
and a nest with two eggs in it.  I also saw that the eves area was much larger 
than I thought, so there was no way to try to catch them, or shoo them out of a 
window.

So, I am resigned, I think to just let them die there.  But because the wall is 
all torn out, I may go up tomorrow, and open a window, and see if they will fly 
out.  

But truthfully, I also think they may just be a casualty of the circumstances.

So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the Crimea 
Tatars aren't oppressed?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :


On 3/16/2014 6:36 PM, steve.sundur@... wrote:

If the people of Crimea wish to
be a part of Russia, why is it that big of a deal?

Maybe because the indigenous inhabitants, the Crimean Tatars, want
to be free and not deported to Siberia gain?
   

  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Bhairitu]

No, we Californians want to secede and form a new country probably 
taking in Oregon and Washington.  Oh, SoCal can join Mexico though.  Why 
secede?  Because the Red States are getting more money back from the 
feds than Blue California and we pay in a lot.  And California has one 
of the largest economies in world.


On 03/17/2014 07:23 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
And ... and  and if the people of California want to secede and be 
part of Mexico again, what's wrong with that?



On Monday, March 17, 2014 7:06 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
Well, I'm sure the people of Austria and the Sudetenland wanted to be 
annexed as well back in the 30's. No biggie there.



On Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:59 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com 
steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

Yes, I'd dispose of the nest for sure.  Look online...gotta bb gun?
yes, whole arsenal of bb and pellet guns.  (backyard activity) (no 
animals though)  have you ever seen aerosol paint cans explode?


They've probably made a real mess in there.
understatement!!

 Wear a mask, maybe.
yes, definitely

 I had mice that came in the kitchen every year while we were on 
vacation in Whistler.  I would have to remove and clean everything and 
set traps. I killed 7 one year in short order with peanut butter.  And 
we caught a few and took them to a nearby park.  And, the cat did a 
bang up job outside with mice and moles for several years. Then, after 
about a month, they would leave and I wouldn't see them until the next 
year.  I couldn't figure how they were getting in until I had water 
damage and found out there was a big hole in the drywall behind the 
sink.  Problem solved.  I wasn't a fan of poison but it was a huge 
hassle.
doesn't take much of an opening, to create an opening, if you know 
what I mean.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

They've got the run of the whole length of the eves, and I have access 
to only one little part.  I think I will remove the nest, unblock the 
hole and try to coax them out.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

Yeah, either that or just take the nest out.  They might have to 
abandon this year's chicks, but hopefully the birds will relocate.  It 
would be a lot easier if they find a new home.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

Great Idea.  I can get to the next.  It is reachable.  And I can open 
the window during the day.  So, I'll put the nest next to the window. 
 Thanks



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

Can you get to the nest?  Open the window.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

Yes, I guess that would be a problem.

Here's what I was faced with today, (and I don't mean to belittle the 
Crimean Tatars), I am trying to fix up a building we own and turn it 
into rental property.  There was an area in the eves where a family of 
pigeons was getting in.  With all the noise, I thought they had left, 
and I blocked up the hole yesterday with some bricks.  But this 
morning I saw two of them running around, and a nest with two eggs in 
it.  I also saw that the eves area was much larger than I thought, so 
there was no way to try to catch them, or shoo them out of a window.


So, I am resigned, I think to just let them die there.  But because 
the wall is all torn out, I may go up tomorrow, and open a window, and 
see if they will fly out.


But truthfully, I also think they may just be a casualty of the 
circumstances.


So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the 
Crimea Tatars aren't oppressed?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

On 3/16/2014 6:36 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:


If the people of Crimea wish to be a part
of Russia, why is it that big of a deal?


Maybe because the indigenous inhabitants,
the Crimean Tatars, want to be free and
not deported to Siberia gain?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Bhairitu]

A grim reminder of what nuclear war could be like with this 1984 BBC 
produced drama:

http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY

On 03/15/2014 09:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 He won't have any problem converting rubles to yuan and the EU wants
 his natural gas so they won't cut him off from the euro.

Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him - there's no way either will
survive economic sanctions, if enforced to the limit.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[salyavin808]

 Gosh, I remember that! It really caused a stir, the government were hopping 
mad about it and gave them more of an excuse to hate the BBC for it's alleged 
left-wing bias. Which is a bullshit accusation, they just wanted Murdoch to be 
the main provider of bullshit in the UK and successive governments have 
supported this in return for favourable coverage from his tawdry rags. But the 
phone hacking scandal emerged just in time to send Murdoch back to the USA with 
his tail between his legs and before he could start a Fox style UK news 
channel. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
 

 Good film though. It's lucky we averted a nuclear war I think, I doubt I would 
have enjoyed it much apart from the initial photo opportunities.
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 A grim reminder of what nuclear war could be like with this 1984 BBC produced 
drama:
 http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY
 
 On 03/15/2014 09:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
 
   On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
  He won't have any problem converting rubles to yuan and the EU wants 
  his natural gas so they won't cut him off from the euro.
 
 Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him - there's no way either will 
 survive economic sanctions, if enforced to the limit.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Richard J. Williams]

Thanks for the reminder. Your president just voted for economic 
sanctions against Putin's Russia. How's that smart diplomacy coming along?


On 3/16/2014 11:48 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
 A grim reminder of what nuclear war could be like with this 1984 BBC 
 produced drama:
 http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY

 On 03/15/2014 09:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

 On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
  He won't have any problem converting rubles to yuan and the EU wants
  his natural gas so they won't cut him off from the euro.
 
 Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him - there's no way either will
 survive economic sanctions, if enforced to the limit.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Bhairitu]

Thanks for the background info.  The modern version of it is the movie I 
mentioned the other day How I Live Now.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1894476/

Speaking of o' Rupert here's what he tweeted today regarding the missing 
airliner:

https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/444645058575630336

On 03/16/2014 10:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote:



Gosh, I remember that! It really caused a stir, the government were 
hopping mad about it and gave them more of an excuse to hate the BBC 
for it's alleged left-wing bias. Which is a bullshit accusation, they 
just wanted Murdoch to be the main provider of bullshit in the UK and 
successive governments have supported this in return for favourable 
coverage from his tawdry rags. But the phone hacking scandal emerged 
just in time to send Murdoch back to the USA with his tail between his 
legs and before he could start a Fox style UK news channel. Good 
riddance to bad rubbish.


Good film though. It's lucky we averted a nuclear war I think, I doubt 
I would have enjoyed it much apart from the initial photo opportunities.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

A grim reminder of what nuclear war could be like with this 1984 BBC 
produced drama:

http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY

On 03/15/2014 09:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 He won't have any problem converting rubles to yuan and the EU wants
 his natural gas so they won't cut him off from the euro.

Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him - there's no way either will
survive economic sanctions, if enforced to the limit.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[salyavin808]

 They had a debate on TV after the Threads movie was shown and the defence 
secretary, Michael Heseltine was livid. They were a bit embarrassed that they 
didn't have any civil defence plans beyond putting a bag over your head and 
hiding under tables. 
 

 They produced a leaflet called protect and survive full of tips about 
surviving the post apocalypse nightmare but it just made people even more 
scared LOL! I guess there's no smiley face you can put on nuclear war...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Thanks for the background info.  The modern version of it is the movie I 
mentioned the other day How I Live Now.
 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1894476/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1894476/
 

 Thanks, I'm going to check it out. I always like apocalypse stories, the end 
of the world is a rich potential source of drama but few ever go there.
 
 Speaking of o' Rupert here's what he tweeted today regarding the missing 
airliner:
 https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/444645058575630336 
https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/444645058575630336
 
He might be right about that one thing anyway. I've been worrying that it's 
being filled with explosives or worse for the next Al-Queda extravaganza. Soon 
find out I guess
 On 03/16/2014 10:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 Gosh, I remember that! It really caused a stir, the government were hopping 
mad about it and gave them more of an excuse to hate the BBC for it's alleged 
left-wing bias. Which is a bullshit accusation, they just wanted Murdoch to be 
the main provider of bullshit in the UK and successive governments have 
supported this in return for favourable coverage from his tawdry rags. But the 
phone hacking scandal emerged just in time to send Murdoch back to the USA with 
his tail between his legs and before he could start a Fox style UK news 
channel. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
 
 
 Good film though. It's lucky we averted a nuclear war I think, I doubt I would 
have enjoyed it much apart from the initial photo opportunities.
 
 
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 A grim reminder of what nuclear war could be like with this 1984 BBC produced 
drama:
 http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY
 
 On 03/15/2014 09:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
 
   On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
  He won't have any problem converting rubles to yuan and the EU wants 
  his natural gas so they won't cut him off from the euro.
 
 Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him - there's no way either will 
 survive economic sanctions, if enforced to the limit.


 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Bhairitu]

My president?  He's your president too.  For the record, I'm not a 
Democrat.  I'm a decline to state or whatever California is currently 
calling independent votes (not affiliated with the Independent Party 
either).  There are lots of liberals are criticizing administration 
foreign policy.  Just the Demobots seem to march in lockstep.


You think Romney would have been any better?  You might be digging 
through the dust for something to eat if he was voted president.


On 03/16/2014 11:58 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


Thanks for the reminder. Your president just voted for economic
sanctions against Putin's Russia. How's that smart diplomacy coming along?

On 3/16/2014 11:48 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
 A grim reminder of what nuclear war could be like with this 1984 BBC
 produced drama:
 http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY

 On 03/15/2014 09:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

 On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
  He won't have any problem converting rubles to yuan and the EU wants
  his natural gas so they won't cut him off from the euro.
 
 Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him - there's no way either will
 survive economic sanctions, if enforced to the limit.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Bhairitu]

Back in the 1950s we had duck and cover PSAs and folks building 
bunkers.  Then I lived a short distance from a major target.  I watched 
high school girls (and some boys) cry in October 1962 when they thought 
the end was coming (little did they know the USSR was already bankrupt).


Nowadays we have Doomsday Preppers on the NatGeo channel with some 
fairly good ideas from folks who have prepared.  In my area these aren't 
scoffed at so much because even the state guvmint suggests we be 
prepared for a BIG earthquake and the shaking off the coast the other 
day got them reiterating this again.


On 03/16/2014 12:36 PM, salyavin808 wrote:



They had a debate on TV after the Threads movie was shown and the 
defence secretary, Michael Heseltine was livid. They were a bit 
embarrassed that they didn't have any civil defence plans beyond 
putting a bag over your head and hiding under tables.


They produced a leaflet called protect and survive full of tips 
about surviving the post apocalypse nightmare but it just made people 
even more scared LOL! I guess there's no smiley face you can put on 
nuclear war...


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

Thanks for the background info.  The modern version of it is the movie 
I mentioned the other day How I Live Now.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1894476/

Thanks, I'm going to check it out. I always like apocalypse stories, 
the end of the world is a rich potential source of drama but few ever 
go there.


Speaking of o' Rupert here's what he tweeted today regarding the 
missing airliner:

https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/444645058575630336

He might be right about that one thing anyway. I've been worrying that 
it's being filled with explosives or worse for the next Al-Queda 
extravaganza. Soon find out I guess


On 03/16/2014 10:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote:



Gosh, I remember that! It really caused a stir, the government were 
hopping mad about it and gave them more of an excuse to hate the BBC 
for it's alleged left-wing bias. Which is a bullshit accusation, they 
just wanted Murdoch to be the main provider of bullshit in the UK and 
successive governments have supported this in return for favourable 
coverage from his tawdry rags. But the phone hacking scandal emerged 
just in time to send Murdoch back to the USA with his tail between 
his legs and before he could start a Fox style UK news channel. Good 
riddance to bad rubbish.


Good film though. It's lucky we averted a nuclear war I think, I 
doubt I would have enjoyed it much apart from the initial photo 
opportunities.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... 
mailto:noozguru@... wrote :


A grim reminder of what nuclear war could be like with this 1984 BBC 
produced drama:

http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY

On 03/15/2014 09:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 He won't have any problem converting rubles to yuan and the EU wants
 his natural gas so they won't cut him off from the euro.

Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him - there's no way either will
survive economic sanctions, if enforced to the limit.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[salyavin808]

 A friend of a friend thought that society was going to breakdown in the 80's 
and stocked up loads of foodstuffs and bottles of this and that in his house. 
He's nearly finished it all now, apparently he didn't want to waste the 
multipacks of beans and spaghetti he'd filled his shed with LOL. He's 
embarrassed too but I can't see the harm in getting ready for any eventuality 
and learning to grow your own food. Especially living off-grid, that really 
appeals to me. 
 

 It's a great way of life anyway and if you can do it without paranoia it's 
probably really satisfying, I always wanted to do it. It isn't like there 
aren't loads of ways that we could wipe ourselves out either, global warming is 
only going to get worse and that won't be a walk in the park that's for sure. 
Probably a lot more rapid ways than that too even if nature doesn't get 
involved with volcanoes or something...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Back in the 1950s we had duck and cover PSAs and folks building bunkers.  
Then I lived a short distance from a major target.  I watched high school girls 
(and some boys) cry in October 1962 when they thought the end was coming 
(little did they know the USSR was already bankrupt).  
 
 Nowadays we have Doomsday Preppers on the NatGeo channel with some fairly 
good ideas from folks who have prepared.  In my area these aren't scoffed at so 
much because even the state guvmint suggests we be prepared for a BIG 
earthquake and the shaking off the coast the other day got them reiterating 
this again.
 
 On 03/16/2014 12:36 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 They had a debate on TV after the Threads movie was shown and the defence 
secretary, Michael Heseltine was livid. They were a bit embarrassed that they 
didn't have any civil defence plans beyond putting a bag over your head and 
hiding under tables. 
 
 
 They produced a leaflet called protect and survive full of tips about 
surviving the post apocalypse nightmare but it just made people even more 
scared LOL! I guess there's no smiley face you can put on nuclear war...
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Thanks for the background info.  The modern version of it is the movie I 
mentioned the other day How I Live Now.
 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1894476/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1894476/
 

 Thanks, I'm going to check it out. I always like apocalypse stories, the end 
of the world is a rich potential source of drama but few ever go there.
 
 Speaking of o' Rupert here's what he tweeted today regarding the missing 
airliner:
 https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/444645058575630336 
https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/444645058575630336
 
 He might be right about that one thing anyway. I've been worrying that it's 
being filled with explosives or worse for the next Al-Queda extravaganza. Soon 
find out I guess
 On 03/16/2014 10:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 Gosh, I remember that! It really caused a stir, the government were hopping 
mad about it and gave them more of an excuse to hate the BBC for it's alleged 
left-wing bias. Which is a bullshit accusation, they just wanted Murdoch to be 
the main provider of bullshit in the UK and successive governments have 
supported this in return for favourable coverage from his tawdry rags. But the 
phone hacking scandal emerged just in time to send Murdoch back to the USA with 
his tail between his legs and before he could start a Fox style UK news 
channel. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
 
 
 Good film though. It's lucky we averted a nuclear war I think, I doubt I would 
have enjoyed it much apart from the initial photo opportunities.
 
 
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 A grim reminder of what nuclear war could be like with this 1984 BBC produced 
drama:
 http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY
 
 On 03/15/2014 09:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
 
   On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
  He won't have any problem converting rubles to yuan and the EU wants 
  his natural gas so they won't cut him off from the euro.
 
 Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him - there's no way either will 
 survive economic sanctions, if enforced to the limit.


 



 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Share Long]

noozguru, in the early 60s at my all girls Catholic high school, we had 
something called survival kits in our lockers, basically a box full of candy, 
if I remember correctly which I probably don't (-:





On Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:55 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
Back in the 1950s we had duck and cover PSAs and folks building bunkers.  
Then I lived a short distance from a major target.  I watched high school girls 
(and some boys) cry in October 1962 when they thought the end was coming 
(little did they know the USSR was already bankrupt).  

Nowadays we have Doomsday Preppers on the NatGeo channel with
  some fairly good ideas from folks who have prepared.  In my area
  these aren't scoffed at so much because even the state guvmint
  suggests we be prepared for a BIG earthquake and the shaking off
  the coast the other day got them reiterating this again.

On 03/16/2014 12:36 PM, salyavin808 wrote:

  


They had a debate on TV after the Threads movie was shown and the defence 
secretary, Michael Heseltine was livid. They were a bit embarrassed that they 
didn't have any civil defence plans beyond putting a bag over your head and 
hiding under tables. 


They produced a leaflet called protect and survive full of tips about 
surviving the post apocalypse nightmare but it just made people even more 
scared LOL! I guess there's no smiley face you can put on nuclear war...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :


Thanks for the background info.  The modern version of it is the movie I 
mentioned the other day How I Live Now.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1894476/


Thanks, I'm going to check it out. I always like apocalypse stories, the end 
of the world is a rich potential source of drama but few ever go there.

Speaking of o' Rupert here's what he tweeted today
  regarding the
  missing airliner:
https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/444645058575630336

He might be right about that one thing anyway. I've been worrying that it's 
being filled with explosives or worse for the next Al-Queda extravaganza. Soon 
find out I guess

On 03/16/2014 10:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

  


Gosh, I remember that! It really caused a stir, the government were hopping 
mad about it and gave them more of an excuse to hate the BBC for it's alleged 
left-wing bias. Which is a bullshit accusation, they just wanted Murdoch to 
be the main provider of bullshit in the UK and successive governments have 
supported this in return for favourable coverage from his tawdry rags. But 
the phone hacking scandal emerged just in time to send Murdoch back to the 
USA with his tail between his legs and before he could start a Fox style UK 
news channel. Good riddance to bad rubbish.


Good film though. It's lucky we averted a nuclear war I think, I doubt I 
would have enjoyed it much apart from the initial photo opportunities.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :


A grim reminder of what nuclear war could be like with this 1984 BBC produced 
drama:
http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY


On 03/15/2014 09:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

  
On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 He won't have any problem converting
  rubles
  to yuan
  and the EU wants 
 his natural gas so they won't cut him
  off
  from the
  euro.

Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him
  -
  there's no
  way either will 
survive economic sanctions, if enforced to
  the
  limit.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Bhairitu]

Probably about 13 years ago I bought an earthquake survival kit at the 
local hardware store.  Good thing we didn't have a bad earthquake 
because when the kit was nearing expiration I tried the food bars which 
number one ingredient was sugar!  I see a number of such survival food 
bars that way.  Bad idea.


On 03/16/2014 01:50 PM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, in the early 60s at my all girls Catholic high school, we 
had something called survival kits in our lockers, basically a box 
full of candy, if I remember correctly which I probably don't (-:



On Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:55 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
Back in the 1950s we had duck and cover PSAs and folks building 
bunkers.  Then I lived a short distance from a major target.  I 
watched high school girls (and some boys) cry in October 1962 when 
they thought the end was coming (little did they know the USSR was 
already bankrupt).


Nowadays we have Doomsday Preppers on the NatGeo channel with some 
fairly good ideas from folks who have prepared.  In my area these 
aren't scoffed at so much because even the state guvmint suggests we 
be prepared for a BIG earthquake and the shaking off the coast the 
other day got them reiterating this again.


On 03/16/2014 12:36 PM, salyavin808 wrote:


They had a debate on TV after the Threads movie was shown and the 
defence secretary, Michael Heseltine was livid. They were a bit 
embarrassed that they didn't have any civil defence plans beyond 
putting a bag over your head and hiding under tables.


They produced a leaflet called protect and survive full of tips 
about surviving the post apocalypse nightmare but it just made people 
even more scared LOL! I guess there's no smiley face you can put on 
nuclear war...


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... 
mailto:noozguru@... wrote :


Thanks for the background info. The modern version of it is the movie 
I mentioned the other day How I Live Now.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1894476/

Thanks, I'm going to check it out. I always like apocalypse stories, 
the end of the world is a rich potential source of drama but few ever 
go there.


Speaking of o' Rupert here's what he tweeted today regarding the 
missing airliner:

https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/444645058575630336

He might be right about that one thing anyway. I've been worrying 
that it's being filled with explosives or worse for the next Al-Queda 
extravaganza. Soon find out I guess


On 03/16/2014 10:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote:



Gosh, I remember that! It really caused a stir, the government were 
hopping mad about it and gave them more of an excuse to hate the BBC 
for it's alleged left-wing bias. Which is a bullshit accusation, 
they just wanted Murdoch to be the main provider of bullshit in the 
UK and successive governments have supported this in return for 
favourable coverage from his tawdry rags. But the phone hacking 
scandal emerged just in time to send Murdoch back to the USA with 
his tail between his legs and before he could start a Fox style UK 
news channel. Good riddance to bad rubbish.


Good film though. It's lucky we averted a nuclear war I think, I 
doubt I would have enjoyed it much apart from the initial photo 
opportunities.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... 
mailto:noozguru@... wrote :


A grim reminder of what nuclear war could be like with this 1984 BBC 
produced drama:

http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY

On 03/15/2014 09:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 He won't have any problem converting rubles to yuan and the EU wants
 his natural gas so they won't cut him off from the euro.

Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him - there's no way either 
will

survive economic sanctions, if enforced to the limit.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Bhairitu]

My approach is to stock survival foods that I eat and use regularly 
but there is enough on hands in case of an emergency.  This way I won't 
be surprised if I don't like the foods.  One of the local TV stations 
bought some kits that Costco sells (the hip big box store to shop in 
the US) and their staff tested it and  thought the food was terrible.


On 03/16/2014 01:36 PM, salyavin808 wrote:



A friend of a friend thought that society was going to breakdown in 
the 80's and stocked up loads of foodstuffs and bottles of this and 
that in his house. He's nearly finished it all now, apparently he 
didn't want to waste the multipacks of beans and spaghetti he'd filled 
his shed with LOL. He's embarrassed too but I can't see the harm in 
getting ready for any eventuality and learning to grow your own food. 
Especially living off-grid, that really appeals to me.


It's a great way of life anyway and if you can do it without paranoia 
it's probably really satisfying, I always wanted to do it. It isn't 
like there aren't loads of ways that we could wipe ourselves out 
either, global warming is only going to get worse and that won't be a 
walk in the park that's for sure. Probably a lot more rapid ways than 
that too even if nature doesn't get involved with volcanoes or 
something...


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

Back in the 1950s we had duck and cover PSAs and folks building 
bunkers.  Then I lived a short distance from a major target.  I 
watched high school girls (and some boys) cry in October 1962 when 
they thought the end was coming (little did they know the USSR was 
already bankrupt).


Nowadays we have Doomsday Preppers on the NatGeo channel with some 
fairly good ideas from folks who have prepared. In my area these 
aren't scoffed at so much because even the state guvmint suggests we 
be prepared for a BIG earthquake and the shaking off the coast the 
other day got them reiterating this again.


On 03/16/2014 12:36 PM, salyavin808 wrote:



They had a debate on TV after the Threads movie was shown and the 
defence secretary, Michael Heseltine was livid. They were a bit 
embarrassed that they didn't have any civil defence plans beyond 
putting a bag over your head and hiding under tables.


They produced a leaflet called protect and survive full of tips 
about surviving the post apocalypse nightmare but it just made people 
even more scared LOL! I guess there's no smiley face you can put on 
nuclear war...


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... 
mailto:noozguru@... wrote :


Thanks for the background info.  The modern version of it is the 
movie I mentioned the other day How I Live Now.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1894476/

Thanks, I'm going to check it out. I always like apocalypse stories, 
the end of the world is a rich potential source of drama but few ever 
go there.


Speaking of o' Rupert here's what he tweeted today regarding the 
missing airliner:

https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/444645058575630336

He might be right about that one thing anyway. I've been worrying 
that it's being filled with explosives or worse for the next Al-Queda 
extravaganza. Soon find out I guess


On 03/16/2014 10:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote:



Gosh, I remember that! It really caused a stir, the government were 
hopping mad about it and gave them more of an excuse to hate the BBC 
for it's alleged left-wing bias. Which is a bullshit accusation, 
they just wanted Murdoch to be the main provider of bullshit in the 
UK and successive governments have supported this in return for 
favourable coverage from his tawdry rags. But the phone hacking 
scandal emerged just in time to send Murdoch back to the USA with 
his tail between his legs and before he could start a Fox style UK 
news channel. Good riddance to bad rubbish.


Good film though. It's lucky we averted a nuclear war I think, I 
doubt I would have enjoyed it much apart from the initial photo 
opportunities.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... 
mailto:noozguru@... wrote :


A grim reminder of what nuclear war could be like with this 1984 BBC 
produced drama:

http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY

On 03/15/2014 09:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 He won't have any problem converting rubles to yuan and the EU wants
 his natural gas so they won't cut him off from the euro.

Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him - there's no way either 
will

survive economic sanctions, if enforced to the limit.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Mike Dixon]

Who knows what Romney or McCain would be doing under the current circumstances. 
But this began with the *apology tour*, when Obama traveled the world 
apologizing for America's leadership in world events. When he sold out new 
allies in Poland and the Czech republic, canceling our plans for a missile 
shield ,so as not to offend Putin and pushing the *reset* button with Russia. 
Refusing to take sides in the Iranian revolt, taking the side of the Muslim 
brotherhood in Egypt, drawing false red lines in the sand in Syria. Abandoning 
Iraq and current plans to abandon Afghanistan. Putin knows he dealing with a 
first class pussy, who's hands are tied with a 17 trillion dollar debt and just 
as many domestic fiascoes. But, other than that, Obama's done a *wonderful* job.




On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:48 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
  
  
My president?  He's your president too.  For the record, I'm not a Democrat.  
I'm a decline to state or whatever California is currently calling 
independent votes (not affiliated with the Independent Party either).  There 
are lots of liberals are criticizing administration foreign policy.  Just the 
Demobots seem to march in lockstep.

You think Romney would have been any better?  You might be digging
  through the dust for something to eat if he was voted president.

On 03/16/2014 11:58 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
 
  
Thanks for the reminder. Your president just voted for economic 
sanctions against Putin's Russia. How's that smart
  diplomacy coming along?

On 3/16/2014 11:48 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
 A grim reminder of what nuclear war could be like
  with this 1984 BBC 
 produced drama:
 http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY

 On 03/15/2014 09:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

 On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
  He won't have any problem converting rubles
  to yuan and the EU wants
  his natural gas so they won't cut him off
  from the euro.
 
 Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him -
  there's no way either will
 survive economic sanctions, if enforced to the
  limit.


   
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Richard J. Williams]

On 3/16/2014 6:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 Probably about 13 years ago I bought an earthquake survival kit at the 
 local hardware store.  Good thing we didn't have a bad earthquake 
 because when the kit was nearing expiration I tried the food bars 
 which number one ingredient was sugar!  I see a number of such 
 survival food bars that way.  Bad idea.
 
We've been stockpiling all kinds of survival supplies for the past few 
years at Dad's place. If anything happens we will be heading up there - 
he lives on a lake, so we will have plenty of water. Here's what you 
need to survive a disaster: fuel; water; canned beans and molasses. 
That's a good start.

Survival is the struggle to remain living. Hardly anyone is prepared for 
surviving a catastrophic event. In such case, you'd want to at least 
have water to drink for your family, right? One guy I know doesn't have 
any water to speak of and no matches to start a fire - however, he does 
have a Bic lighter n the kitchen drawer.

But, in order to survive, you'd need not only water and fire, but fuel 
and food. Lot's of folks around here have cellars stocked with canned 
goods and all the necessities to survive for several weeks. Others 
probably wouldn't last a week at most. Keep in mind that all the store 
shelves will probably be empty by the 2nd day. So, stock up on potable 
water, food, fuel, and other resources.

In a major disaster if we lost electric power for a year or two, you'd 
want to have some arms as well. Go figure.

Survival Cache:
http://survivalcache.com/

Books to read:

'How to Survive the End of the World as We Know It: Tactics, Techniques, 
and Technologies for Uncertain Times'
by James Wesley Rawles
Plume, 2009

'Survival Wisdom  Know How: Everything You Need to Know to Thrive in 
the Wilderness'
by The Editors of Stackpole Books
Black Dog  Leventhal Publishers, 2007

'Survival Guide for Beginners'
by Vitaly Pedchenko
Amazon Kindle Edition

'SAS Survival Handbook, Revised Edition:
For Any Climate, in Any Situation'
by John 'Lofty' Wiseman
William Morrow Paperbacks, 2009)

'Practical Wilderness Skills and Thoughts on Survival'
by White Wolf Von Atzingen
Amazon Digital Services, Inc.

'Survival Gardening: How To Grow Your Own Food and
Feed Your Family No Matter What Happens'
by Will Cook
Vertical Gardening Group, 2013

'Survival Gear You Can Live With'
(Practical Survival Series)
by Tony Nester
Diamond Creek Press, 2013

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[steve.sundur]

If the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia, why is it that big of a 
deal? 

 The problem arises if Russia starts to invade territories or countries that 
don't wish to be annexed.

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

 Who knows what Romney or McCain would be doing under the current 
circumstances. But this began with the *apology tour*, when Obama traveled the 
world apologizing for America's leadership in world events. When he sold out 
new allies in Poland and the Czech republic, canceling our plans for a missile 
shield ,so as not to offend Putin and pushing the *reset* button with Russia. 
Refusing to take sides in the Iranian revolt, taking the side of the Muslim 
brotherhood in Egypt, drawing false red lines in the sand in Syria. Abandoning 
Iraq and current plans to abandon Afghanistan. Putin knows he dealing with a 
first class pussy, who's hands are tied with a 17 trillion dollar debt and just 
as many domestic fiascoes. But, other than that, Obama's done a *wonderful* job.
 
 
 On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:48 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 
   
 My president?  He's your president too.  For the record, I'm not a Democrat.  
I'm a decline to state or whatever California is currently calling 
independent votes (not affiliated with the Independent Party either).  There 
are lots of liberals are criticizing administration foreign policy.  Just the 
Demobots seem to march in lockstep.
 
 You think Romney would have been any better?  You might be digging through the 
dust for something to eat if he was voted president.
 
 On 03/16/2014 11:58 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
 
   Thanks for the reminder. Your president just voted for economic 
 sanctions against Putin's Russia. How's that smart diplomacy coming along?
 
 On 3/16/2014 11:48 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
  A grim reminder of what nuclear war could be like with this 1984 BBC 
  produced drama:
  http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY
 
  On 03/15/2014 09:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
 
  On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
   He won't have any problem converting rubles to yuan and the EU wants
   his natural gas so they won't cut him off from the euro.
  
  Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him - there's no way either will
  survive economic sanctions, if enforced to the limit.
 
 



 

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Richard J. Williams]

On 3/16/2014 6:15 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
Who knows what Romney or McCain would be doing under the current 
circumstances. But this began with the *apology tour*, when Obama 
traveled the world apologizing for America's leadership in world 
events. When he sold out new allies in Poland and the Czech republic, 
canceling our plans for a missile shield ,so as not to offend Putin 
and pushing the *reset* button with Russia. Refusing to take sides in 
the Iranian revolt, taking the side of the Muslim brotherhood in 
Egypt, drawing false red lines in the sand in Syria. Abandoning Iraq 
and current plans to abandon Afghanistan. Putin knows he dealing with 
a first class pussy, who's hands are tied with a 17 trillion dollar 
debt and just as many domestic fiascoes. But, other than that, Obama's 
done a *wonderful* job.


USA TODAY: Perhaps the most surprising thing about Russia’s weekend 
invasion of Crimea is that the U.S. and its allies were caught so 
flat-footed, groping for a response that didn’t look weak and 
ineffectual...


http://www.usatoday.com/opinion/ukraine-crimea-russian-president/ 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/03/02/ukraine-crimea-russian-president-vladimir-putin-editorials-debates/5953493/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Richard J. Williams]

On 3/16/2014 6:36 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
If the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia, why is it that 
big of a deal?


Maybe because the indigenous inhabitants, the Crimean Tatars, want to be 
free and not deported to Siberia gain?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[authfriend]

No such thing as an apology tour. That's another of the right-wing canards 
you specialize in promoting, Mike. This one was dreamed up by Karl Rove and 
perpetuated by the Heritage Foundation. 

 The Washington Post Fact Checker gave it four Pinocchios (awarded to 
Whoppers):
 
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/02/obamas_apology_tour.html 
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/02/obamas_apology_tour.html
 

 

 Who knows what Romney or McCain would be doing under the current 
circumstances. But this began with the *apology tour*, when Obama traveled the 
world apologizing for America's leadership in world events. When he sold out 
new allies in Poland and the Czech republic, canceling our plans for a missile 
shield ,so as not to offend Putin and pushing the *reset* button with Russia. 
Refusing to take sides in the Iranian revolt, taking the side of the Muslim 
brotherhood in Egypt, drawing false red lines in the sand in Syria. Abandoning 
Iraq and current plans to abandon Afghanistan. Putin knows he dealing with a 
first class pussy, who's hands are tied with a 17 trillion dollar debt and just 
as many domestic fiascoes. But, other than that, Obama's done a *wonderful* job.
 
 
 On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:48 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 
   
 My president?  He's your president too.  For the record, I'm not a Democrat.  
I'm a decline to state or whatever California is currently calling 
independent votes (not affiliated with the Independent Party either).  There 
are lots of liberals are criticizing administration foreign policy.  Just the 
Demobots seem to march in lockstep.
 
 You think Romney would have been any better?  You might be digging through the 
dust for something to eat if he was voted president.
 
 On 03/16/2014 11:58 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
 
   Thanks for the reminder. Your president just voted for economic 
 sanctions against Putin's Russia. How's that smart diplomacy coming along?
 
 On 3/16/2014 11:48 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
  A grim reminder of what nuclear war could be like with this 1984 BBC 
  produced drama:
  http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY http://youtu.be/5AUYCnzmDJY
 
  On 03/15/2014 09:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
 
  On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
   He won't have any problem converting rubles to yuan and the EU wants
   his natural gas so they won't cut him off from the euro.
  
  Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him - there's no way either will
  survive economic sanctions, if enforced to the limit.
 
 



 

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[steve.sundur]

Yes, I guess that would be a problem.   

 Here's what I was faced with today, (and I don't mean to belittle the Crimean 
Tatars), I am trying to fix up a building we own and turn it into rental 
property.  There was an area in the eves where a family of pigeons was getting 
in.  With all the noise, I thought they had left, and I blocked up the hole 
yesterday with some bricks.  But this morning I saw two of them running around, 
and a nest with two eggs in it.  I also saw that the eves area was much larger 
than I thought, so there was no way to try to catch them, or shoo them out of a 
window.
 

 So, I am resigned, I think to just let them die there.  But because the wall 
is all torn out, I may go up tomorrow, and open a window, and see if they will 
fly out.  
 

 But truthfully, I also think they may just be a casualty of the circumstances.
 

 So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the Crimea 
Tatars aren't oppressed?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 3/16/2014 6:36 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:

 If the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia, why is it that big of a 
deal? 
 Maybe because the indigenous inhabitants, the Crimean Tatars, want to be free 
and not deported to Siberia gain?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[emilymaenot]

Can you get to the nest?  Open the window.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Yes, I guess that would be a problem.   

 Here's what I was faced with today, (and I don't mean to belittle the Crimean 
Tatars), I am trying to fix up a building we own and turn it into rental 
property.  There was an area in the eves where a family of pigeons was getting 
in.  With all the noise, I thought they had left, and I blocked up the hole 
yesterday with some bricks.  But this morning I saw two of them running around, 
and a nest with two eggs in it.  I also saw that the eves area was much larger 
than I thought, so there was no way to try to catch them, or shoo them out of a 
window.
 

 So, I am resigned, I think to just let them die there.  But because the wall 
is all torn out, I may go up tomorrow, and open a window, and see if they will 
fly out.  
 

 But truthfully, I also think they may just be a casualty of the circumstances.
 

 So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the Crimea 
Tatars aren't oppressed?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 3/16/2014 6:36 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:

 If the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia, why is it that big of a 
deal? 
 Maybe because the indigenous inhabitants, the Crimean Tatars, want to be free 
and not deported to Siberia gain?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[steve.sundur]

Great Idea.  I can get to the next.  It is reachable.  And I can open the 
window during the day.  So, I'll put the nest next to the window.  Thanks
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Can you get to the nest?  Open the window.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Yes, I guess that would be a problem.   

 Here's what I was faced with today, (and I don't mean to belittle the Crimean 
Tatars), I am trying to fix up a building we own and turn it into rental 
property.  There was an area in the eves where a family of pigeons was getting 
in.  With all the noise, I thought they had left, and I blocked up the hole 
yesterday with some bricks.  But this morning I saw two of them running around, 
and a nest with two eggs in it.  I also saw that the eves area was much larger 
than I thought, so there was no way to try to catch them, or shoo them out of a 
window.
 

 So, I am resigned, I think to just let them die there.  But because the wall 
is all torn out, I may go up tomorrow, and open a window, and see if they will 
fly out.  
 

 But truthfully, I also think they may just be a casualty of the circumstances.
 

 So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the Crimea 
Tatars aren't oppressed?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 3/16/2014 6:36 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:

 If the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia, why is it that big of a 
deal? 
 Maybe because the indigenous inhabitants, the Crimean Tatars, want to be free 
and not deported to Siberia gain?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Richard J. Williams]

On 3/16/2014 8:44 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the 
Crimea Tatars aren't oppressed?


Speaking of birds, my Dad had a habit of leaving open one side of the 
double garage doors during the day during the summer. A bird couple 
spent the entire summer building an elaborate next in the garage up by 
one of the lights. And the couple hatched a family of birds. Dad didn't 
want to disturb them so he just left the door open all summer until 
winter came. He did this for four summers and each year the birds 
returned to the same nest - but not the parents - the offspring! Go figure.


As for the Crimean Tatars, the international community will probably do 
as much for them as they did for the Tibetans - nothing.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[emilymaenot]

Yeah, either that or just take the nest out.  They might have to abandon this 
year's chicks, but hopefully the birds will relocate.  It would be a lot easier 
if they find a new home.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Great Idea.  I can get to the next.  It is reachable.  And I can open the 
window during the day.  So, I'll put the nest next to the window.  Thanks
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Can you get to the nest?  Open the window.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Yes, I guess that would be a problem.   

 Here's what I was faced with today, (and I don't mean to belittle the Crimean 
Tatars), I am trying to fix up a building we own and turn it into rental 
property.  There was an area in the eves where a family of pigeons was getting 
in.  With all the noise, I thought they had left, and I blocked up the hole 
yesterday with some bricks.  But this morning I saw two of them running around, 
and a nest with two eggs in it.  I also saw that the eves area was much larger 
than I thought, so there was no way to try to catch them, or shoo them out of a 
window.
 

 So, I am resigned, I think to just let them die there.  But because the wall 
is all torn out, I may go up tomorrow, and open a window, and see if they will 
fly out.  
 

 But truthfully, I also think they may just be a casualty of the circumstances.
 

 So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the Crimea 
Tatars aren't oppressed?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 3/16/2014 6:36 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:

 If the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia, why is it that big of a 
deal? 
 Maybe because the indigenous inhabitants, the Crimean Tatars, want to be free 
and not deported to Siberia gain?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[steve.sundur]

to the nest  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Great Idea.  I can get to the next.  It is reachable.  And I can open the 
window during the day.  So, I'll put the nest next to the window.  Thanks
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Can you get to the nest?  Open the window.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Yes, I guess that would be a problem.   

 Here's what I was faced with today, (and I don't mean to belittle the Crimean 
Tatars), I am trying to fix up a building we own and turn it into rental 
property.  There was an area in the eves where a family of pigeons was getting 
in.  With all the noise, I thought they had left, and I blocked up the hole 
yesterday with some bricks.  But this morning I saw two of them running around, 
and a nest with two eggs in it.  I also saw that the eves area was much larger 
than I thought, so there was no way to try to catch them, or shoo them out of a 
window.
 

 So, I am resigned, I think to just let them die there.  But because the wall 
is all torn out, I may go up tomorrow, and open a window, and see if they will 
fly out.  
 

 But truthfully, I also think they may just be a casualty of the circumstances.
 

 So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the Crimea 
Tatars aren't oppressed?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 3/16/2014 6:36 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:

 If the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia, why is it that big of a 
deal? 
 Maybe because the indigenous inhabitants, the Crimean Tatars, want to be free 
and not deported to Siberia gain?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[steve.sundur]

I'm hatching a plan in my mind now, about best way to get them to leave.  I 
don't think the eggs will make it, but I'm debating whether to move the next 
next to the hole I blocked up, and remove the bricks temporarily, or put the 
next next to the window as Emily suggested.  (-:  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 3/16/2014 8:44 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:

 So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the Crimea 
Tatars aren't oppressed? 
 Speaking of birds, my Dad had a habit of leaving open one side of the double 
garage doors during the day during the summer. A bird couple spent the entire 
summer building an elaborate next in the garage up by one of the lights. And 
the couple hatched a family of birds. Dad didn't want to disturb them so he 
just left the door open all summer until winter came. He did this for four 
summers and each year the birds returned to the same nest - but not the parents 
- the offspring! Go figure.
 
 As for the Crimean Tatars, the international community will probably do as 
much for them as they did for the Tibetans - nothing.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[steve.sundur]

They've got the run of the whole length of the eves, and I have access to only 
one little part.  I think I will remove the nest, unblock the hole and try to 
coax them out.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Yeah, either that or just take the nest out.  They might have to abandon this 
year's chicks, but hopefully the birds will relocate.  It would be a lot easier 
if they find a new home.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Great Idea.  I can get to the next.  It is reachable.  And I can open the 
window during the day.  So, I'll put the nest next to the window.  Thanks
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Can you get to the nest?  Open the window.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Yes, I guess that would be a problem.   

 Here's what I was faced with today, (and I don't mean to belittle the Crimean 
Tatars), I am trying to fix up a building we own and turn it into rental 
property.  There was an area in the eves where a family of pigeons was getting 
in.  With all the noise, I thought they had left, and I blocked up the hole 
yesterday with some bricks.  But this morning I saw two of them running around, 
and a nest with two eggs in it.  I also saw that the eves area was much larger 
than I thought, so there was no way to try to catch them, or shoo them out of a 
window.
 

 So, I am resigned, I think to just let them die there.  But because the wall 
is all torn out, I may go up tomorrow, and open a window, and see if they will 
fly out.  
 

 But truthfully, I also think they may just be a casualty of the circumstances.
 

 So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the Crimea 
Tatars aren't oppressed?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 3/16/2014 6:36 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:

 If the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia, why is it that big of a 
deal? 
 Maybe because the indigenous inhabitants, the Crimean Tatars, want to be free 
and not deported to Siberia gain?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[emilymaenot]

Yes, I'd dispose of the nest for sure.  Look online...gotta bb gun?  They've 
probably made a real mess in there.  Wear a mask, maybe.  I had mice that came 
in the kitchen every year while we were on vacation in Whistler.  I would have 
to remove and clean everything and set traps. I killed 7 one year in short 
order with peanut butter.  And we caught a few and took them to a nearby park.  
And, the cat did a bang up job outside with mice and moles for several years. 
Then, after about a month, they would leave and I wouldn't see them until the 
next year.  I couldn't figure how they were getting in until I had water damage 
and found out there was a big hole in the drywall behind the sink.  Problem 
solved.  I wasn't a fan of poison but it was a huge hassle.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 They've got the run of the whole length of the eves, and I have access to only 
one little part.  I think I will remove the nest, unblock the hole and try to 
coax them out.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Yeah, either that or just take the nest out.  They might have to abandon this 
year's chicks, but hopefully the birds will relocate.  It would be a lot easier 
if they find a new home.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Great Idea.  I can get to the next.  It is reachable.  And I can open the 
window during the day.  So, I'll put the nest next to the window.  Thanks
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Can you get to the nest?  Open the window.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Yes, I guess that would be a problem.   

 Here's what I was faced with today, (and I don't mean to belittle the Crimean 
Tatars), I am trying to fix up a building we own and turn it into rental 
property.  There was an area in the eves where a family of pigeons was getting 
in.  With all the noise, I thought they had left, and I blocked up the hole 
yesterday with some bricks.  But this morning I saw two of them running around, 
and a nest with two eggs in it.  I also saw that the eves area was much larger 
than I thought, so there was no way to try to catch them, or shoo them out of a 
window.
 

 So, I am resigned, I think to just let them die there.  But because the wall 
is all torn out, I may go up tomorrow, and open a window, and see if they will 
fly out.  
 

 But truthfully, I also think they may just be a casualty of the circumstances.
 

 So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the Crimea 
Tatars aren't oppressed?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 3/16/2014 6:36 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:

 If the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia, why is it that big of a 
deal? 
 Maybe because the indigenous inhabitants, the Crimean Tatars, want to be free 
and not deported to Siberia gain?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[steve.sundur]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Yes, I'd dispose of the nest for sure.  Look online...gotta bb gun?  
 yes, whole arsenal of bb and pellet guns.  (backyard activity) (no animals 
though)  have you ever seen aerosol paint cans explode?
 

 They've probably made a real mess in there. 
 understatement!!
 

  Wear a mask, maybe. 
 yes, definitely
 

  I had mice that came in the kitchen every year while we were on vacation in 
Whistler.  I would have to remove and clean everything and set traps. I killed 
7 one year in short order with peanut butter.  And we caught a few and took 
them to a nearby park.  And, the cat did a bang up job outside with mice and 
moles for several years. Then, after about a month, they would leave and I 
wouldn't see them until the next year.  I couldn't figure how they were getting 
in until I had water damage and found out there was a big hole in the drywall 
behind the sink.  Problem solved.  I wasn't a fan of poison but it was a huge 
hassle.  
 doesn't take much of an opening, to create an opening, if you know what I mean.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 They've got the run of the whole length of the eves, and I have access to only 
one little part.  I think I will remove the nest, unblock the hole and try to 
coax them out.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Yeah, either that or just take the nest out.  They might have to abandon this 
year's chicks, but hopefully the birds will relocate.  It would be a lot easier 
if they find a new home.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Great Idea.  I can get to the next.  It is reachable.  And I can open the 
window during the day.  So, I'll put the nest next to the window.  Thanks
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Can you get to the nest?  Open the window.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Yes, I guess that would be a problem.   

 Here's what I was faced with today, (and I don't mean to belittle the Crimean 
Tatars), I am trying to fix up a building we own and turn it into rental 
property.  There was an area in the eves where a family of pigeons was getting 
in.  With all the noise, I thought they had left, and I blocked up the hole 
yesterday with some bricks.  But this morning I saw two of them running around, 
and a nest with two eggs in it.  I also saw that the eves area was much larger 
than I thought, so there was no way to try to catch them, or shoo them out of a 
window.
 

 So, I am resigned, I think to just let them die there.  But because the wall 
is all torn out, I may go up tomorrow, and open a window, and see if they will 
fly out.  
 

 But truthfully, I also think they may just be a casualty of the circumstances.
 

 So, how far do we, or the international community go, to make sure the Crimea 
Tatars aren't oppressed?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 3/16/2014 6:36 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:

 If the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia, why is it that big of a 
deal? 
 Maybe because the indigenous inhabitants, the Crimean Tatars, want to be free 
and not deported to Siberia gain?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Mike Dixon]

He won't have any problem converting rubles to yuan and the EU wants his 
natural gas so they won't cut him off from the euro.




On Friday, March 14, 2014 6:30 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com 
wrote:
  
  
On 3/14/2014 7:57 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 I doubt Putin takes Kerry or Obama seriously, nobody else does.

Putin will take the EU bankers very seriously when Russia goes broke and 
can't exchange any rubles for euros or dollars. Go figure.
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Richard J. Williams]

On 3/15/2014 7:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 He won't have any problem converting rubles to yuan and the EU wants 
 his natural gas so they won't cut him off from the euro.
 
Or, Putin may bring down the yuan with him - there's no way either will 
survive economic sanctions, if enforced to the limit.

[FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Bhairitu]

More saber rattling:

Secretary of State John Kerry warned of serious repercussions for 
Russia on Monday if last-ditch talks over the weekend to resolve the 
crisis in Ukraine failed to persuade Moscow to soften its stance.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/john-kerry-russia-has-until-monday-to-reverse-course-in-ukraine/article/2545610

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Mike Dixon]

I doubt Putin takes Kerry or Obama seriously, nobody else does.




On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:55 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
  
  
More saber rattling:

Secretary of State John Kerry warned of serious repercussions for 
Russia on Monday if last-ditch talks over the weekend to resolve the 
crisis in Ukraine failed to persuade Moscow to soften its stance.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/john-kerry-russia-has-until-monday-to-reverse-course-in-ukraine/article/2545610

  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Springtime is Wartime for Washington

[Richard J. Williams]

On 3/14/2014 7:57 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 I doubt Putin takes Kerry or Obama seriously, nobody else does.
 
Putin will take the EU bankers very seriously when Russia goes broke and 
can't exchange any rubles for euros or dollars. Go figure.