date:20050308

omg...I had to reread it I initally thought it was a joke.How can this be possible, who in the H**L would even consider such a propsterous thing, I have forwarded this to everyone I know, we have to do something.
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Click here: Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts 

This is about shooting the Wisconsin kitties!
"CatHunting"
Please tell those that live there to stop it!
 Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/

RE: oreo

I am glad to hear that there is some progress, that is a great sign, Oreo biting is even a good sign if you ask me, good luck, healing vibes coming your way.
CherieHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







Thank you so much for asking. 
Oreo is trying to stand up and walk  right now, he falls after a step or two, but he CAN stand up for a few seconds on all four legs, which is very encouraging. We try to massage his leg, but it must hurt him, because he tries to bite us when we try to touch his legs (but his teeth are so small  much smaller than any of the kittens, so it wont hurt at all)  
He still likes eating steak  my holistic doc is going to do acupuncture on him tomorrow  I hope he can walk, and hop again soon.

But I am very overwhelmed by the fact that you asked me about Oreo  (which is most of you do on the list) 

Thank you,

Hideyo and Oreo

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:12 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: oreo


Hi Hideyo,



How is Oreo doing?



t

Re: [rescuecat] Update: Urgent: Cat in Pennsauken, NJ to be PTS - Happy Tails!

2005-03-08 Thread PEC2851




I LOVE HAPPY 
ENDINGS!!

Patti

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick





Anita,
 Try Immuno-regulin if your vet can get it; I think there are 
reports it has helped with FeLV-related anemia. There is an article on this 
group's web site about it. He will probably need a transfusion if he is to 
last long enough to try the Immuno-regulin, though. I would do a transfusion, 
doxicycline in case the anemia is from Hemobartanella, steroids in case he is 
killing his own red blood cell (dexamethasone and depomedrol), and 
Immuno-regulin. Though I think Immuno-regulin is supposed to work better 
without steroids...
Michelle

In a message dated 3/7/05 6:03:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  Anakin is very sick.All he does is 
  sleep.I checked his gums  tong are white.I am taking him to the vet 
  tomorrow,but they said his bone marrow is not producing blood cells.They said 
  there was not much they can do.If there is anything I can try or if you have 
  any suggestion please let me know.Thanks so much
   
  Anita

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick

2005-03-08 Thread carlas


Anita

Sending healing vibes Anakin's way.

Carla

Re: Please add Bethany Cat (BC) to the CLS

2005-03-08 Thread carlas

Danielle,

I am sorry to hear of your loss of BC my heart goes out to you.

Carla

Re: OT - We need your prayers

Here's hoping the therapy does work!! I (and my cats and other dog) know
what it's like to lose one of the family pack. We're all sending healing
zibes.
regards
barbara

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick

2005-03-08 Thread Belinda Sauro

   It really sounds like Anakin is very anemic, I would get him started 
right away on doxocycline just in case it is due to hemobartenella.  
There has also been some discussion recently of immunoregalin helping 
with anemia and a certain steroid whose name I can't remember 
Michelle??  A blood transfution may help get his system kick started 
until the other things can take effect (ask them to cross match the 
blood).  Also in the archives is a recipe for a liver shake that has 
helped some kitties.  From the sound of it he needs these things started 
immediately.

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Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.)

2005-03-08 Thread Samiluke




That is so awful! I am in WI  will be sure to let everyone I 
know about this  hopefully we can prevent this from happening. Thanks 
for the heads-up!

Yvonne

Intercat by Toray Industries

In reading the material that was posted yesterday Intercat looks like something that could wor or at least help, in some circumstances...my only dillema is how to obtain it, I have found this website but can not locate instructions on how to go about getting it...any thoughts
http://www.toray.co.jp/english/chemical/sehin/b_yoto/21cat.html

Cherie

RE: OT - Petitioning Oprah

2005-03-08 Thread Doljan, Joan

Title: Message



Thanks. Passed it on.

  
  -Original Message-From: Julie Johnson 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 
  10:55 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT - 
  Petitioning Oprah 
  Dear Friends,
  
  Here is a link to sign a petition asking that Oprah do a show on pet 
  overpopulation, puppy mills, and other animal issues.
  
  http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/621738786?ltl=1110297092
  
  Oprah is such a unique celebrity in American culture; I wrote to her 
  office about a year ago asking for a show like this and did not receive a 
  response; the goal for the petition is 100,000 signatures. Hopefully 
  they will consider it if that many folks make it clear they'd like to see this 
  issue addressed.
  
  Please consider signing!
  
  Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the 
  more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " 
  "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by 
  the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi 
  (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about 
  de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
  __Do You 
  Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
  http://mail.yahoo.com

RE: OT - Petitioning Oprah

Done, and passed it on also ;-))"Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks. Passed it on.


-Original Message-From: Julie Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:55 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT - Petitioning Oprah 
Dear Friends,

Here is a link to sign a petition asking that Oprah do a show on pet overpopulation, puppy mills, and other animal issues.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/621738786?ltl=1110297092

Oprah is such a unique celebrity in American culture; I wrote to her office about a year ago asking for a show like this and did not receive a response; the goal for the petition is 100,000 signatures. Hopefully they will consider it if that many folks make it clear they'd like to see this issue addressed.

Please consider signing!

Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. 
__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: OT - Petitioning Oprah

Title: Message



the little I've watched of the show, I dont' recall 
her ever doing any show on animals. and when I used to have a bookstore, always 
had requests for books she would mention or authors she'd host but never had a 
single request for any animal oriented book rec'd by her. You would think Oprah 
would be horrified at those "quaint Amish people" running puppy mills, 
etc. the only time I ever watched Tony Danza's talk show--for all of 2 
minutes, the moron surprised a young female guest with a choice of different 
puppies his staff had picked out from a pet store near their building. Ellen 
Degeneres expresses concern for animals and backs it up on her website also. 
will go sign petition for oprah...
barbara

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Doljan, Joan 
  To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:07 
  AM
  Subject: RE: OT - Petitioning Oprah
  
  Thanks. Passed it on.
  

-Original Message-From: Julie Johnson 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 
10:55 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: 
OT - Petitioning Oprah 
Dear Friends,

Here is a link to sign a petition asking that Oprah do a show on pet 
overpopulation, puppy mills, and other animal issues.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/621738786?ltl=1110297092

Oprah is such a unique celebrity in American culture; I wrote to her 
office about a year ago asking for a show like this and did not receive a 
response; the goal for the petition is 100,000 signatures. Hopefully 
they will consider it if that many folks make it clear they'd like to see 
this issue addressed.

Please consider signing!

Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, 
the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " 
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged 
by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi 
(1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking 
about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a 
pet. 
__Do You 
Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com

RE: OT - Petitioning Oprah

2005-03-08 Thread carlas


Me too

Re: Intercat by Toray Industries




went to the website, on the left side near bottom 
of column, click on inquiry and see if that will get you some 
results.
barbara

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Cherie A 
  Gabbert 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:52 
  AM
  Subject: Intercat by Toray 
  Industries
  
  In reading the material that was posted yesterday Intercat looks like 
  something that could wor or at least help, in some circumstances...my only 
  dillema is how to obtain it, I have found this website but can not locate 
  instructions on how to go about getting it...any thoughts
  http://www.toray.co.jp/english/chemical/sehin/b_yoto/21cat.html
  
  Cherie

Re: O.T. - Help for my shelter




i am still clicking on this every morning. wish I 
had known about this site years ago for its products.
barbara

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Brenda K. 
  Smith 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:10 
  PM
  Subject: Re: O.T. - Help for my 
  shelter
  Barbara. Here you are - http://www.handicappedpets.com/gallery/wfi0205/index.htm-- 

 Brenda.

 http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.


Barbara Lowe wrote:

oh darn please send the link again as my computer 
seems to have been hungry last night and i can't find any saved stuff from 
yesterday.
barbara

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Brenda K. 
  Smith 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 4:59 
  PM
  Subject: Re: O.T. - Help for my 
  shelter
  
Joan

 I just went there and a 
  person needs to view the Photo Gallery page and/or The Rainbow Bridge page for 
  it to count for a donation. One visit per day. I visited both and 
  will do so every day that I can.

-- 

 Brenda.

 http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.
  
  

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Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.)

2005-03-08 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH

This topic was on a call in show on Wisconsin Public Radio this 
morning. Most of the callers were enraged about the idea. The wildlife 
biologist who had studied the effects of cats on bird populations said 
he had been getting plenty of email too. But he did admit one thing - 
that development both here and in southern locations where birds spend 
the winter was the major cause of the decline in song bird populations. 

I suppose shooting developers might be a bit extreme but maybe we can 
confine them somehow :)

Bonnie

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2005 8:17 am
Subject: Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat 
Hunting in WI.)

 That is so awful!  I am in WI  will be sure to let everyone I  
 know about 
 this  hopefully we can prevent this from happening.  Thanks  for 
 the heads-up!
 
 Yvonne

Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.)

LOL. love it!!  
barbara
 
 I suppose shooting developers might be a bit extreme but maybe we can 
 confine them somehow :)

Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.)

2005-03-08 Thread Barb Moermond

http://www.wpr.org/ideas/programnotes.cfm

here's the link so you can listen to the show if you'd like.BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This topic was on a call in show on Wisconsin Public Radio this morning. Most of the callers were enraged about the idea. The wildlife biologist who had studied the effects of cats on bird populations said he had been getting plenty of email too. But he did admit one thing - that development both here and in southern locations where birds spend the winter was the major cause of the decline in song bird populations. I suppose shooting developers might be a bit extreme but maybe we can confine them somehow :)Bonnie- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2005 8:17 amSubject: Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.) That is so awful! I am in WI  will be sure to let everyone I  know about  this  hopefully we can prevent
 this from happening. Thanks for  the heads-up!  Yvonne Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!




calm down. your household is the equivalent of 
kitty kindergarten. one kid sneezes they all get colds, for example. worrying is 
sapping your postive energy and you need that right now. worrying does nothing 
but paralyze you. don't overwhelm yourself with such negative thoughts, okay? 

save your strength for when you will need it. 

good luck at vet's.
barbara

Re: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!

2005-03-08 Thread TenHouseCats

sending GLOW (prayers/white light/healing thoughts/love, whatever you
need!) for the little one. and for YOU.

but DO want to remind you that your adult cats are probably safe even
if this little one is FeLV--healthy adult cats usually throw the virus
off. it takes prolonger, persistent contact to pass the virus in the
first place--tho i wish someone would quantify what those two words
mean!

MC

RE: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!

2005-03-08 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto

You guys are so wonderful! - I and Uh-oh-oh feel better already!!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!

sending GLOW (prayers/white light/healing thoughts/love, whatever you
need!) for the little one. and for YOU.

but DO want to remind you that your adult cats are probably safe even
if this little one is FeLV--healthy adult cats usually throw the virus
off. it takes prolonger, persistent contact to pass the virus in the
first place--tho i wish someone would quantify what those two words
mean!

MC

Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.)

2005-03-08 Thread TenHouseCats

the same people who have bumper stickers that read, looking for you
cat? check under my rear tires. (have seen about 4 of those around
here)

Nina,
I am with you.I am sending healing vibes your wayhang in there and keep us posted
cherieMelbeach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sending payers your way now!-Kyle- Original Message - From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 12:42 AMSubject: OT - We need your prayers Hi Everyone, Bruce and I just got back from the Vet. Our 8 year old German Shepherd Dog, Zevon has been having trouble with his back legs for the last couple of months. I guess I've been in denial and have been giving him stuff for arthritis etc. The vet (not his regular ortho surgeon, he's out of town at conferences), suspects either a disc problem or something called, Degenerative Myelopathy, (a degenerative neurologic disease), something GSDs are prone to apparently. He had to stay at the vet overnight to treat him intravenously with steroids to see if whatever is
causing his paralysis lessens. The ER vet said that there is a chance that the steroid therapy alone could help him regain the full use of his legs, (let's hope so, tonight's therapy is costing over $1100 bucks and we haven't even started diagnostic work yet). If this doesn't help him, Bruce and I have a tough decision to make. About 4 years ago, Zevon took a leap off a very high cliff in Santa Barbara trying to get to the surf below. He sustained severe sprains on both his front legs and we were told by three vets to have him PTS before we found a surgeon that took on his case and saved his life. Zevon is a highly energetic dog that never lets pain get in his way of having a good time. The operations and months of recooperative down-stays were extremely hard on him. He is also vulnerable to reinjury of his front legs and now with his back legs in jeopardy, not to
mention the fact that he's no longer a young dog, make his prognosis for a quality life in a wheel chair very poor. Please include him in your prayers. Please pray that tonight's treatment brings us a miracle of at least temporary recovery. He's so important to our household, we all love him so much, dogs, cats and humans alike. He's such a sweet soul, I don't know how we'd get along without him. Thanks for caring, Nina

Re: Lucy doesn't need surgery (probably)!

2005-03-08 Thread Melbeach

Michelle,

Well that's great news! OMG you have a sick horse too? Your pets are lucky to
have you looking out for them! I'll keep you posted on Brissle.

-Kyle


- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:19 AM
Subject: Lucy doesn't need surgery (probably)!


 Lucy had her 30 day x-ray today, a little early, and her bladder stone is
 much, much smaller!  So the plan is to keep her on the food (S/D) and the
meds
 (Clavamox, pred, and some Chinese herbs) and re-xray her in another 30 days.
She
 is urinating less frequently and with less blood, so I think she is more
 comfortable (though she never really acted uncomfortable), but I was not
allowing
 myself to hope! The vet said well, you deserve some good news every once in
a
 while.  My horse Pepsi is doing worse, and I am still so grieved about
 Simon, so I am not feeling as elated as I should, but I am feeling somewhat
elated
 and very grateful about Lucy.  I was so scared that getting surgery would
 trigger her virus.  There is still a small chance that the stone will not
continue
 to dissolve all the way, because sometimes the outside is one kind of stone
 and the inside is another, but it dissolved so much that the vet thinks this
is
 not the case with her. He thinks she had an infection and the stone built
 around it, which happens sometimes, and which would make sense in her case
 because she is positive and thus prone to infections and had never had
crystals
 before.
 Michelle

RE: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!

Hideyo,
We all can get a little paranoid, but I am praying with all my heat UH-oh (oh) just has a little bug that can not be kicked easily...my thoughts and prayers are with you both.
CherieHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









Thank you, Barbara, I appreciate your kind words. You are right, there is one time when I opened a fortune cookie at a Chinese restaurant  never trouble a trouble until a trouble troubles you  I certainly do not sap the positive energy for Uh-oh (oh) by my worrying  please keep tell me this so that I wont fall back J

Hugs from Hideyo  Uh-oh-oh



-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara LoweSent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:46 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!


calm down. your household is the equivalent of kitty kindergarten. one kid sneezes they all get colds, for example. worrying is sapping your postive energy and you need that right now. worrying does nothing but paralyze you. don't overwhelm yourself with such negative thoughts, okay? 

save your strength for when you will need it. 

good luck at vet's.

barbara

Re: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!

2005-03-08 Thread Nina

Hideyo,
I hope you get good news at the vet today and Uh-oh-oh makes a speedy 
recovery.  I was just thinking about you this morning.  I've been trying 
to get myself to calm down and stop focusing on all the scary 
possibilities that a large household full of illness brings.  I was 
thinking of you and how you do the same thing I do, (most of us probably 
do), weaken ourselves with worry and panic, except you have so many more 
animals to care for.  I was sending you calming energy this morning even 
before I read your post on Uh-oh-oh.  You are so invested in each and 
every one and like me trying to be proactive and head off any problem 
before it gets bigger.  Please try to have faith, and trust that you 
will have the strength to deal with whatever happens.  Take a deep 
breath and know that the universe is supporting you.  Your ticket to 
Heaven has been paid for many times over, (you probably have so many 
frequent flyer miles accumulated that you could probably get some of us 
in as well!).  Many blessings to you and your family.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:
You guys are so wonderful! - I and Uh-oh-oh feel better already!!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!
sending GLOW (prayers/white light/healing thoughts/love, whatever you
need!) for the little one. and for YOU.
but DO want to remind you that your adult cats are probably safe even
if this little one is FeLV--healthy adult cats usually throw the virus
off. it takes prolonger, persistent contact to pass the virus in the
first place--tho i wish someone would quantify what those two words
mean!
MC

Re: OT - We need your prayers

2005-03-08 Thread Nina





Thank you Barbara, Kyle and Cherie, 
We appreciate your kind thoughts and prayers.
Nina

Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

  Nina,
  I am with you.I am sending healing vibes your wayhang in
there and keep us posted
  cherie
  
  Melbeach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Sending
payers your way now!
-Kyle

- Original Message - 
From: "Nina" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 12:42 AM
Subject: OT - We need your prayers


 Hi Everyone,
 Bruce and I just got back from the Vet. Our 8 year old German
Shepherd 
 Dog, Zevon has been having trouble with his back legs for the last

 couple of months. I guess I've been in denial and have been giving
him 
 stuff for arthritis etc. The vet (not his regular ortho surgeon,
he's 
 out of town at conferences), suspects either a disc problem or
something 
 called, Degenerative Myelopathy, (a degenerative neurologic
disease), 
 something GSDs are prone to apparently. He had to stay at the vet 
 overnight to treat him intravenously with steroids to see if
whatever is 
 causing his paralysis lessens. The ER vet said that there is a
chance 
 that the steroid therapy alone could help him regain the full use
of his 
 legs, (let's hope so, tonight's therapy is costing over $1100
bucks and 
 we haven't even started diagnostic work yet). If this doesn't help
him, 
 Bruce and I have a tough decision to make. About 4 years ago,
Zevon 
 took a leap off a very high cliff in Santa Barbara trying to get
to the 
 surf below. He sustained severe sprains on both his front legs and
we 
 were told by three vets to have him PTS before we found a surgeon
that 
 took on his case and saved his life. Zevon is a highly energetic
dog 
 that never lets pain get in his way of having a good time. The 
 operations and months of recooperative down-stays were extremely
hard on 
 him. He is also vulnerable to reinjury of his front legs and now
with 
 his back legs in jeopardy, not to mention the fact that he's no
longer a 
 young dog, make his prognosis for a quality life in a wheel chair
very 
 poor. Please include him in your prayers. Please pray that
tonight's 
 treatment brings us a miracle of at least temporary recovery. He's
so 
 important to our household, we all love him so much, dogs, cats
and 
 humans alike. He's such a sweet soul, I don't know how we'd get
along 
 without him.
 
 Thanks for caring,
 Nina

Re: OT - We need your prayers

2005-03-08 Thread tamara stickler

Nina, you have my prayers.

I've seen acupuncture work WONDERS for dogs that had lost the use of their back legs...even old dogs. If western medicine can no longer help...and you feel you aren't ready to give up...find an animal acupuncturistyou just might be amazed.

Good luck, God Bless you both.
Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Everyone,Bruce and I just got back from the Vet. Our 8 year old German Shepherd Dog, Zevon has been having trouble with his back legs for the last couple of months. I guess I've been in denial and have been giving him stuff for arthritis etc. The vet (not his regular ortho surgeon, he's out of town at conferences), suspects either a disc problem or something called, Degenerative Myelopathy, (a degenerative neurologic disease), something GSDs are prone to apparently. He had to stay at the vet overnight to treat him intravenously with steroids to see if whatever is causing his paralysis lessens. The ER vet said that there is a chance that the steroid therapy alone could help him regain the full use of his legs, (let's hope so, tonight's therapy is costing over $1100 bucks and we haven't even started diagnostic work yet). If this doesn't
help him, Bruce and I have a tough decision to make. About 4 years ago, Zevon took a leap off a very high cliff in Santa Barbara trying to get to the surf below. He sustained severe sprains on both his front legs and we were told by three vets to have him PTS before we found a surgeon that took on his case and saved his life. Zevon is a highly energetic dog that never lets pain get in his way of having a good time. The operations and months of recooperative down-stays were extremely hard on him. He is also vulnerable to reinjury of his front legs and now with his back legs in jeopardy, not to mention the fact that he's no longer a young dog, make his prognosis for a quality life in a wheel chair very poor. Please include him in your prayers. Please pray that tonight's treatment brings us a miracle of at least temporary recovery. He's so important to our household, we all love him so much, dogs, cats and humans alike. He's such
a sweet soul, I don't know how we'd get along without him.Thanks for caring,Nina
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RE: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!

2005-03-08 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto

Dear Nina,

Nina, you are making me cry, Nina (here I go again)- 
Before I forget - I have surphur in my hand, then, now I can't find a
piece of paper that I wrote your address (please shoot me another email,
and I will get it out today- I am soo sorry).

It's very hard to have so many animals (du) - sometimes when I think
about all the pains that I will have to go through when they pass, I
just don't know how in the world I am supposed to get through it - one
is certainly hard enough, but 50 plus times - I must have been out of
mind - all I ask for every days is that they are healthy and they are
safe - but I know that's going to be something asking too much
eventually.  When I wake up, and start taking care of all the kitties
and dogs, and when I see all them doing their own regular routines,
that's when I feel like thank god - I can get through another day..

I hope your doggy, Zevon will get better asap.  Try acupuncture to see
if it works, too  - if one is not already paralyzed, sometimes, surgery
is not necessary, and many dogs will respond to acupuncture very well
(my vet said).  Unfortunately, I have two dogs with disc injuries -
different type - (out of 4 dogs), and they were already and (one was
closed to) paralyzed, and the surgery was necessary for both of them (I
really couldn't afford it, but I just had to create more debts, which is
a scary thing, too - and that's another entire story).   I am praying
for Zevon that he will heal with the current treatments.  In addition to
glucosamine, try V-C injections on fluid if the vet will recommend it, I
have so many positive things about the effect of V-C with any joint,
disc problems.

Regardless, I will pray every minute for you and Zevon.  Keep us posted!

Loves and Hugs to you and Zevon

Hideyo  all her little (and not so little) creatures



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Hideyo,
I hope you get good news at the vet today and Uh-oh-oh makes a speedy 
recovery.  I was just thinking about you this morning.  I've been trying

to get myself to calm down and stop focusing on all the scary 
possibilities that a large household full of illness brings.  I was 
thinking of you and how you do the same thing I do, (most of us probably

do), weaken ourselves with worry and panic, except you have so many more

animals to care for.  I was sending you calming energy this morning even

before I read your post on Uh-oh-oh.  You are so invested in each and 
every one and like me trying to be proactive and head off any problem 
before it gets bigger.  Please try to have faith, and trust that you 
will have the strength to deal with whatever happens.  Take a deep 
breath and know that the universe is supporting you.  Your ticket to 
Heaven has been paid for many times over, (you probably have so many 
frequent flyer miles accumulated that you could probably get some of us 
in as well!).  Many blessings to you and your family.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

You guys are so wonderful! - I and Uh-oh-oh feel better already!!

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Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:48 AM
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sending GLOW (prayers/white light/healing thoughts/love, whatever you
need!) for the little one. and for YOU.

but DO want to remind you that your adult cats are probably safe even
if this little one is FeLV--healthy adult cats usually throw the virus
off. it takes prolonger, persistent contact to pass the virus in the
first place--tho i wish someone would quantify what those two words
mean!

MC

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick





To get him to eat more, try making the liver shake. The recipe is in the 
archives or I can send it again if you can't find it. They will often eat this 
when they won't eat anything else, and it is full of nutrients so even if they 
just eat a little they get a lot out of it. Also try sour cream and also roast 
beef deli slices.
Michelle


In a message dated 3/7/05 10:18:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  The vet said it costs all  she 
  thinks at this time, she can't see putting him through that when it probably 
  won't do much.I went  got a cat of KMR mothers supplement to give to 
  him,because it has so many good vitamins  stuff in it.He is drinking 
  itI am hoping it might help.Thanks for all the emails of 
  suggestions,love  support.
   
  Anita

Re: OT - We need your prayers




Nina, my horse Shire had this, and of course it is impossible to deal with 
in horses, but I don't think it is in dogs. I am hoping and praying.
Michelle

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick





Dexamethasone, which works quickly, combined with Depomedrol, which works 
over time.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/8/05 9:17:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
a 
  certain steroid whose name I can't remember 
Michelle??

Re: Intercat by Toray Industries





I had thought it was the same thing as Virbagen Omega when I read the case 
studies. Is it different?

I noticed from the case studies that it did not seem to help increase PCV 
(i.e. help with anemia) but more with low white blood cell count, fever, and 
anorexia caused by unexplained effects of the virus.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/8/05 10:52:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  In reading the material that was posted yesterday Intercat looks like 
  something that could wor or at least help, in some circumstances...my only 
  dillema is how to obtain it, I have found this website but can not locate 
  instructions on how to go about getting it...any thoughts
  http://www.toray.co.jp/english/chemical/sehin/b_yoto/21cat.html
  
  Cherie

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick

2005-03-08 Thread Tad Burnett





Michelle
 I also wish you would repost the recipe for liver shake...
Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  To get him to eat more, try making the liver shake. The recipe
is in the archives or I can send it again if you can't find it. They
will often eat this when they won't eat anything else, and it is full
of nutrients so even if they just eat a little they get a lot out of
it. Also try sour cream and also roast beef deli slices.
  Michelle
  
  
  In a message dated 3/7/05 10:18:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
The vet said it
costs all  she thinks at this time, she can't see putting him
through that when it probably won't do much.I went  got a cat of
KMR mothers supplement to give to him,because it has so many good
vitamins  stuff in it.He is drinking itI am hoping it might
help.Thanks for all the emails of suggestions,love  support.

Anita

  
  
  
  

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Re: Lucy doesn't need surgery (probably)!





My horse is almost 29 and has bad leg problems that are age-related. Leg 
problems are serious in horses because if they can not stand and walk they can't 
live, unlike cats and dogs who can walk on 3 legs if necessary and/or use carts, 
be carried, etc.

We have been dealing with a lot here though. My dog Nubi died of cancer 2 
weeks before my cat Simon was diagnosed with it, and he died a month ago, and 
our remaining dog has cancer (doing well with it, but well beyond her prognosis 
at this point so still scary). So I am pretty wiped out.

Please advice how Brissle is doing on the VO if you started it.

Michelle


In a message dated 3/8/05 1:22:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle,Well that's great news! OMG you have a sick horse too? 
  Your pets are lucky tohave you looking out for them! I'll keep you posted 
  on Brissle.-Kyle

Re: Lucy doesn't need surgery (probably)!

Michelle,You are one brave and kind mommy...I would have to say you should be wiped outkeep up your own strength your family needs you ;-))
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



My horse is almost 29 and has bad leg problems that are age-related. Leg problems are serious in horses because if they can not stand and walk they can't live, unlike cats and dogs who can walk on 3 legs if necessary and/or use carts, be carried, etc.

We have been dealing with a lot here though. My dog Nubi died of cancer 2 weeks before my cat Simon was diagnosed with it, and he died a month ago, and our remaining dog has cancer (doing well with it, but well beyond her prognosis at this point so still scary). So I am pretty wiped out.

Please advice how Brissle is doing on the VO if you started it.

Michelle


In a message dated 3/8/05 1:22:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle,Well that's great news! OMG you have a sick horse too? Your pets are lucky tohave you looking out for them! I'll keep you posted on Brissle.-Kyle

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick

2005-03-08 Thread catstevens




Thank you for all your help everyone has been so 
great.I think last year sometime someone on the list had used a pet communicator 
or something.Does anyone know how to find one  how much it might 
cost.Thanks
 
Anita

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 12:13 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Please Help! Anakin is very 
  sick
  
  
  1. Kelp is a seaweed and spirulina is a single cell green food like 
  algae. Both are available at health food stores, either in powder or in 
  capsules that can be opened.
  
  2. The only person I know of on this list who has had a cat recover from 
  anemia long-term is someone (i can not remember who) whose cat was cured of 
  anemia through 6 months of Depomedrol shots (a steroid). Her cat was 
  killing his own red blood cells, which is an auto-immune problem that my 
  cat Simon got also while he was on chemotherapy.In this woman's 
  case, the steroids reversed it completely. My Simon got soanemic 
  at one point during his cancer that he had trouble breathing and I thought he 
  was dying. I loaded himup on steroids and his hematocrit went back 
  upsome, to about20,for about a month.It then went down 
  to 8 in less than 48 hours andwe could not bring it back up because he 
  would not allow a transfusion and the steroids did not workquickly 
  enough. Actually, someone else may have had a cat whose anemia was 
  caused by Hemobartanella,the blood parasite, and reversed it with doxicycline. 
  Oh, and also Belinda's Jean-Luc had anemia which was controlled for 2 years 
  with Epogen shots.
  
  Nina thinks that Paolo's cat Micia (Paolo is no longer on the list) may 
  also have had anemia. She recovered from being close to death with a 5 day 
  dosing of Virbagen Omega feline interferon, available only from Europe and you 
  have to get FDA approval. I would start that process right away if you are 
  interested in trying that. 
  
  
  There is an article on the group's web page by a vet who says he has 
  reversed anemia, I think, with Immuno-regulin. I would definitely try 
  that drug if I were you, along with a transfusion if his hematocrit is 13 or 
  lower.
  
  Finally, if Anakin has lymphoma in his bone marrow or kidneys, that can 
  cause anemia. That is what caused Simon's anemia. Chemotherapy can help. 
  When the chemo was working for Simon initially, his hematocrit went up from 13 
  to 33 in just 2 weeks.
  
  Michelle
  
  
  In a message dated 3/8/05 3:03:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
I got the recipe for the liver shake,but I have never herd of Kelp or 
Spirulina do you know if I can get that from any store or a special store? I 
am going to call my vet  ask if she will try so of the antibiotics.I am 
going to change my appointment to tomorrow to see if he is ant better.But 
today I noticed his glands are swollen again  I can feel his bones 
more.He was eating crunchy on Sunday not as much as normal,but he has not 
wanted his wet food for about 5 days.I don't know if anyone remembers me 
talking about Luke the one I lost in 2001 http://www.bemikitties.com/cls/luke.html
But Anakin is Grey other then thatit's likethey are the 
same.My husband thinks it is Luke reincarnated.They were bothborn in 
March.My husband thinks it's time for Anakin to go he doesn't want him to 
suffer.It's so hard.Does anyone knowif anyfur babies have 
recovered from beingAnemic?
 
Anita

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick





I have heard, and would believe, that cats' stomach acid is so much 
stronger that they do not get salmonella the way that humans do. Which would 
make sense, since in the wild they eat meat raw all the time. 

I know it is hard to digest liver. I don't know what to say about 
that. I have used it as a last resort when a cat is not eating enough to get 
by. In Simon's case, it was just lack of appetite rather than any 
digestive problems per se, so it was ok. I think it might be a problem if a cat 
has kidney problems. I probably would have listened to the vet in your 
case too. It's odd, I torture myself all day long about not having done 
the right things with my animals who have passed, but when I read someone else 
like you doing it is seems so obvious that you made a rational decision based on 
the information available to you, and that this is all you could do and there 
really is no way to tell if anything could have changed the outcome. I am not 
sure why I can not internalize this lesson and apply it to myself.

Michelle

In a message dated 3/8/05 3:35:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I gave 
  cooked liver becouse I often shared my cooked liver with them but one 
  thanskiving I wasgoing to give them a special treat and give them some 
  rawbut being used to cooked they wouldn'teat it raw and I had to cook 
  theirs anyway...Some people say there is a risk of salminila with 
  rawchicken.Any thoughts on my thinking 
  ?Tad

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick

2005-03-08 Thread Tad Burnett





Hi Anita
 Yes...I have a 14 year old FeLV+ that was so bad that the rescue
people that I got her from
didn't know if she would survive the 300 mile trip home..But she was
going to be PTS if
I didn't take herShe was loaded with fleas and that was the cause
of her anemia...
All I did was get rid of the fleas (advantage) and plenty of food and
water and love...
I have had her for a year and a half now and she is still doing well...

I guess it depends what is causing it but it is recoverable in some
cases...

Tad

  
  
.Does anyone knowif anyfur babies have recovered from
beingAnemic?
 Anita

  

  
  



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Re: New To List

2005-03-08 Thread Kris Kulak

Wow Sally, You are extremely informative and easier to comprehend than some sites I've been too. I greatly appreciate your response. I've had the older kitten tested IFA because he was so sick at the time, I wanted a complete check-up, never thinking this would happen since all of my cats are indoor creatures. The other 4 had the ELISA because I wanted an idea right away. I was so devastated at the time, I wanted to know ASAP.

I do have the 3 older ones isolated to the basement and the two little guys upstairs with me where we can keep a better eye on them. I hope this is only temporary because it is extremely hard on the cats and the rest of the family. We have to sneak in and out of the door which is not easy with 5 cats trying to sneak with you. They meow or howl or scratch back and forth at the door constantly.

The littlest guy (Luna) is about 4 months old. He acts totally and completely normal so far. Thor, the older kitten who got his name because he was extremely loud and thundrous, was the one that got sick, but tested negative twice before. It wasn't until shortly after we got the kitten that he got sick. Sylvester, the oldest and the leader of the pack, got sick too. At first I though it was a cold, and with Sylvester it was. But Thor couldn't shake it. After three weeks more with medication not working, I took him back in. That's when his blood work came back positive. Thor was really lethargic, not eating much, sweaty, isolated, etc. Since then, I've put him on this Retrovir. I don't like the side effects that could happen, but he seems to be getting better. Just this morning he was sounding like thunder again chasing the little guy around the house. I just got home from work (the first day back since I found out he was sick; I was never so scared to come home in my life; I
didn't know what to expect) and right away, he wanted to play. He meowed at me a few times. Then he threw up a nice, big, juicy fur ball right at my feet. After that, he started chasing a piece of material I was dragging on the floor.

He does eat a little more now. At 2 AM he woke me up hungry. I had to feed him. I sat on the floor, put soft food on my finger and rubbed in his mouth. He ate about a quarter of a can that way. He still has episodes where he stares at his food, but I rub a little on his teeth and he will eat out of my hand. Sometimes, he's even eating on his own. The nice thing though, is that he's is becoming more active and seems to be putting on more weight again. But, as I said before, I too scared to get my hopes up. I'm just hanging in there along with him.

I know it's not recommended, and my husband isn't even sure, but I would like to reunite my family after the incubation period is over and the cats have all been retested. I can't dream of putting the burden of raising possibly terminally ill cats onto someone else. I'd rather have the hea;thy cats go somewhere. The only problem, I am so emotional. My husband worries it will "kill" me. I keep telling him that it will be hard, but for the kitties' sake, I've got to keep them where they're used to and comfortable. The least amount of stress is recommended, right?

I so love this group. It is helping me a lot. And I'm learning a lot.Hopefully soon, I'll be able to relax a little and stop feeling like dread is looming behind me. Thanks again.

Kristina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Sally:Did the cats test positive on both an ELISA and an IFA test? If they were just tested with the ELISA (the in-house snap test), this test is much more sensitive to the antigen produced by the replicating virus so it can be an indication of an infection which may only be transitory and there is a chance the virus can be cleared. While this is more likely with an adult cat than a kitten, it is not impossible for a kitten who tests positive early on to later test negative. I have one who was positive at 6 weeks but retested negative a 6 mos. when he was neutered.If an IFA test was not done, I would strongly urge you to do so as this can give you an indication of what stage of infection the cats may be in and a better idea as to their chance for long-term survival. According to Dr. Richard Pitcairn, there are six stages of
FeLV infection. The ELISA is 100 times more sensitive so a positive result on this test can indicate the earlier stages of infection as well as the latter ones. A positive IFA correlates well with stage 4 and up. While it is possible for a cat in early stage to still clear the virus, it is more likely an IFA+ cat will remain persistently viremic. It is not until stage five that a cat is actively shedding the virus and so infectious to others, and it takes repeated and direct contact with a cat who is shedding the virus to result in infection. A cat persistently infected with FeLV and immunocompromised is actually more at risk of exposure to other cats than are healthy adult cats at risk from exposure to a cat which is infected with FeLV. Not all

RE: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!

2005-03-08 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto










Thank you, Anita. Thats very comforting to hear,
especially right now. Do I understand correctly that the mom and her kitten
were positive first and then became negative later on, too?  or did the mom and her kitten remain positive, but the rest
of 10 kitties are tested negative?



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need your support!





Hideyo
I am praying for you.I don't think you need to worry about all the other
kitties.A few years back we were ina similarsituation.Wefound
out a mom her kitten were FeLV positive  they had been with all
theothers grooming,sleeping,eating everything.I was in a panic with help
I took all of them to the vet to get tested  other then the mom  her
kitten all 10 of them were negative.






Anita







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I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!











Hideyo, I am praying Uh-Oh (love his name!) is negative. If he is
positive, though, you should know that it does not mean lots of your other cats
are. Many cats do not get it, even without vaccination. I think it is easiest
for kittens and cats with compromised immune systems to get it. I of course
would be worried too, but I do not want you to think that if Uh-Oh is positive
it means you will have an epidemic of FeLV on your hands. 





Michelle

Re: New To List

2005-03-08 Thread Kris Kulak

I'm just glad to know I'm NOT alone. Sometimes you get so overwhelmed that you forget this. Thanks.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



My partner Gray says the same thing about me. And it may be killing me, I am not sure. I know that I am really anxious and miserable each time they are sick, and Simon's death about did me in. It's hard not to feel like dread is looming over you. Little windows of time will come when everything seems ok, or at least better, and you can relax for a day or two. But then it starts again.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/8/05 4:54:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I know it's not recommended, and my husband isn't even sure, but I would like to reunite my family after the incubation period is over and the cats have all been retested. I can't dream of putting the burden of raising possibly terminally ill cats onto someone else. I'd rather have the hea;thy cats go somewhere. The only problem, I am so emotional. My husband worries it will "kill" me. I keep telling him that it will be hard, but for the kitties' sake, I've got to keep them where they're used to and comfortable. The least amount of stress is recommended, right?

I so love this group. It is helping me a lot. And I'm learning a lot.Hopefully soon, I'll be able to relax a little and stop feeling like dread is looming behind me. Thanks again.

Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.)

2005-03-08 Thread Kris Kulak

I live in Wisconsin and was totally shocked and mortified when I heard this. I started crying.I'm becoming an emotional wreck.Here I am trying to fight for the health of my own kitties who've just recently tested positive for FeLV,and there is some moron out there who thinks this is somehow justified!? I personally like your idea about the developers. I'll have to share that one with my husband.

KristinaBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://www.wpr.org/ideas/programnotes.cfm

here's the link so you can listen to the show if you'd like.BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This topic was on a call in show on Wisconsin Public Radio this morning. Most of the callers were enraged about the idea. The wildlife biologist who had studied the effects of cats on bird populations said he had been getting plenty of email too. But he did admit one thing - that development both here and in southern locations where birds spend the winter was the major cause of the decline in song bird populations. I suppose shooting developers might be a bit extreme but maybe we can confine them somehow :)Bonnie- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2005 8:17 amSubject: Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.) That is so awful! I am in WI will be sure to let everyone I know about this hopefully we can prevent
this from happening. Thanks for the heads-up! Yvonne Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous

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Re: Intercat by Toray Industries

2005-03-08 Thread Melbeach




It says "Recombinant feline interferon". So that's 
VO. Please let us know if they correspond with you.
-Kyle

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Cherie A 
  Gabbert 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:35 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Intercat by Toray 
  Industries
  
  Michelle, 
  It does seem to be very similar, I am just trying to explore everything 
  and see how fast I could get certain things when or if it comes time for that, 
  or maybe even be proactive I am not sure, Amber is doing great in the 
  Interferon, I just am worried for the future.
  Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  


I had thought it was the same thing as Virbagen Omega when I read the 
case studies. Is it different?

I noticed from the case studies that it did not seem to help increase 
PCV (i.e. help with anemia) but more with low white blood cell count, fever, 
and anorexia caused by unexplained effects of the virus.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/8/05 10:52:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  In reading the material that was posted yesterday Intercat looks like 
  something that could wor or at least help, in some circumstances...my only 
  dillema is how to obtain it, I have found this website but can not locate 
  instructions on how to go about getting it...any thoughts
  http://www.toray.co.jp/english/chemical/sehin/b_yoto/21cat.html
  
  Cherie

Re: New To List

2005-03-08 Thread Sally Quillian

Hi Sally . . .Thank you so very much for this informative response.  Is it
ok with you if I forward this information to our other two members?

Both cats were tested with the ELISA, but not the in-house snap. .
.bloodwork was sent to our local lab.  I've talked with our vet regarding
the IFA test. . .but the real problem is finding housing for these two. . .
we're willing to pay for transport anywhere in the U.S. . . .I've contacted
everyone I know regarding fostering, etc . . .even offered to take healthy
cats to adopt in exchange for each FeLV cat . . .but everyone is in the same
position . . .too many kitties .  . . overwhelmed with rescue . . .we are a
small group . . .just three of us . . .we just don't have room to isolate on
a long term basis . . .  : ( . . .would love to find a home for these
kitties . . .There are still two shelters (who take sick kitties) I have
contacted who haven't responded yet . . .but shelter placement will be a
stressful situation for them . . .I've been successful placing FIV kitties
in the past . . .maybe my luck is running out.

I've tried to post Bobbie's picture on the FeLV site . . . but haven't been
successful.  Her picture is on our Petfinder website.  I have not yet gotten
a picture of Twila, the adult.

The information you've provided is fantastic . . .I so very much appreciate
your taking the time to write. . .I won't give up trying to place these
kitties until I'm forced to.

Sally Q

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: New To List


 Dear Sally:

 Did the cats test positive on both an ELISA and an IFA test?  If they were
 just tested with the ELISA (the in-house snap test), this test is much
more
 sensitive to the antigen produced by the replicating virus so it can be an
 indication of an infection which may only be transitory and there is a
chance the
 virus can be cleared.  While this is more likely with an adult cat than a
kitten,
 it is not impossible for a kitten who tests positive early on to later
test
 negative. I have one who was positive at 6 weeks but retested negative a 6
mos.
 when he was neutered.

 If an IFA test was not done, I would strongly urge you to do so as this
can
 give you an indication of what stage of infection the cats may be in and a
 better idea as to their chance for long-term survival.  According to Dr.
Richard
 Pitcairn, there are six stages of FeLV infection.  The ELISA is 100 times
more
 sensitive so a positive result on this test can indicate the earlier
stages of
 infection as well as the latter ones. A positive IFA correlates well with
 stage 4 and up.  While it is possible for a cat in early stage to still
clear the
 virus, it is more likely an IFA+ cat will remain persistently viremic.  It
is
 not until stage five that a cat is actively shedding the virus and so
 infectious to others, and it takes repeated and direct contact with a cat
who is
 shedding the virus to result in infection. A cat persistently infected
with FeLV
 and immunocompromised is actually more at risk of exposure to other cats
than
 are healthy adult cats at risk from exposure to a cat which is infected
with
 FeLV.  Not all FeLV+ cats are shedding the virus, and it is not the
easiest
 virus to transmit...it does not live long outside its host.

 Kittens are most at risk of infection...not only because they have an
 immature immune system but because lymphocytes in a kitten produce 50
times more
 virus than those of an adult cat.  Kittens infected before birth by an
infected
 mom, or shortly after birth through nursing or mutual grooming, have the
worst
 prognosis for survival.  It is said around 50% won't make it through their
 first year.  Those that do may continue to do well until around age 2-3-4.
Some
 manage to live a relatively normal life span.  What seems to determine
this is
 whether or not the relatively benign FeLV-A subgroup of the virus, which
is
 the only form that is passed from one cat to another, eventually
recombines with
 the cat's  DNA and mutates into one of the more virulent subgroups.  The
 FeLV-A+B is the one associated with lymphomas and other cancers.  The
FeLV-A+C is
 the one associated with severe/non-regenerative anemia.  It is possible
for
 both mutations to occur and a cat to develop FeLV-A+B+C, which is the
worst case
 scenario.

 If both these cats are currently non-symptomatic, there is no reason to
 consider euthanasia at this point.  If they can be maintained in an
environment
 relatively free of stress -- and that includes such stressors to the
immune
 system as vaccines (which can actually trigger a latent infection into an
active
 one), toxic drugs and toxins in poor quality food -- and fed a good
quality diet
 (preferably raw-based) with some immune-boosting supplements, their chance
 for survival is much better than otherwise.

 Some of our listmembers have cats who are 6 years and older, some have
lived

Re: Intercat by Toray Industries

You guys will be the second to knowif I actually get a response.
CherieMelbeach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




It says "Recombinant feline interferon". So that's VO. Please let us know if they correspond with you.
-Kyle

- Original Message - 
From: Cherie A Gabbert 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Intercat by Toray Industries

Michelle, 
It does seem to be very similar, I am just trying to explore everything and see how fast I could get certain things when or if it comes time for that, or maybe even be proactive I am not sure, Amber is doing great in the Interferon, I just am worried for the future.
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I had thought it was the same thing as Virbagen Omega when I read the case studies. Is it different?

I noticed from the case studies that it did not seem to help increase PCV (i.e. help with anemia) but more with low white blood cell count, fever, and anorexia caused by unexplained effects of the virus.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/8/05 10:52:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In reading the material that was posted yesterday Intercat looks like something that could wor or at least help, in some circumstances...my only dillema is how to obtain it, I have found this website but can not locate instructions on how to go about getting it...any thoughts
http://www.toray.co.jp/english/chemical/sehin/b_yoto/21cat.html

Cherie

Re: Virbagen Feline Omega Interferon Example 6 (no seroconversion)

2005-03-08 Thread Gloria B. Lane

Wow, good work, Glenda! Thanks for all that -
Gloria
At 03:28 PM 3/7/2005, you wrote:
Example 6
A recombinant feline .omega.-interferon preparation (Trade Name: INTERCAT)
was administered to a 2-year-old crossbred male cat, which was observed to
have neutropenia due to a feline leukemia virus infection.

On the first day of examination, the cat had a weight of 3.9 kg and a body
temperature of 40.4.degree. C., and lymphatic swelling was observed. The
cat had an appetite and vigor. Blood test results were as follows: PCV
22%, WBC 5,800, neutrophil 696, lymphocyte 4,698, monocyte 116, eosinophil
290, and thrombocyte 200,000. In the virus test, an FeLV antigen was
detected and an FIV antibody was not detected.

After 5 days, although appetite and vigor were observed, the body
temperature was 39.2.degree. C., and blood test results were as follows:
PCV 22%, WBC 5,800, neutrophil 131, lymphocyte 4,963, monocyte 219,
eosinophil 483, and thrombocyte 200,000.

The INTERCAT was dissolved in a physiological saline solution and was
subcutaneously injected at a dose of 4 MU/day for six days. The dose was
1.03 MU/kg per cat weight. A transfusion (lactate Ringer's solution and
glucose) was injected by intravenous drip infusion at a dose of 500
ml/day, and an antibiotic (cephalexin) was intravenously injected at a
dose of 100 mg twice a day.

On the second day after the administration of the INTERCAT, the body
temperature was 39.5.degree. C., and blood test results were as follows:
PCV 24%, WBC 4,200, neutrophil 400, lymphocyte 3,400, monocyte 200,
eosinophil 200, and thrombocyte 200,000.

On the fourth day, the body temperature was 38.7.degree. C., and blood
test results were as follows: PCV 23%, WBC 5,000, neutrophil 1,150,
lymphocyte 3,100, monocyte 450, eosinophil 200, and thrombocyte 200,000.
On the seventh day, the body temperature was 38.9.degree. C., and blood
test results were as follows: PCV 18%, WBC 6,100, neutrophil 1,769,
lymphocyte 3,050, monocyte 1,220, eosinophil 61, and thrombocyte 200,000.

In this example, significant recovery of neutrophils was not observed, and
abatement of fever and improved general condition were observed.

Take care,
Glenda
Our FeLV/FIV kitties other stuff:
http://community.webshots.com/user/sicky_iciclehttp://community.webshots.com/user/sicky_icicle

Some More Virbagen Omega Info

2005-03-08 Thread Melbeach

Found some more info on VO ya'll might be interested
in.

From Virbac's FAQ: http://www.virbagenomega.com/uk/faqcat

Q: After reconstitution of Virbagen® Omega, can the
vial be stored overnight and used on an animal the next
day?
A: Studies have demonstrated a stability of the
molecule up to 3 weeks minimum at +4°C. Nevertheless, taking into consideration
the fact that there is no preservative in the formulation of the product, the
risk of contamination with fungus or bacteria exists. Nevertheless, if
injections are performed in asepsis conditions (sterile needles...), the risk of
contamination will be minimum.
Q: Can Virbagen® Omega be frozen after
reconstitution?
A: Feline omega interferon is a glycoprotein which is
very stable in general. After resuspension, stability studies showed that the
solution was stable for at least 3 weeks at +4°C. According to knowledge on the
molecule, it does not seem there is any risk linked to freezing the solution.
Nevertheless, precise data concerning this type of storage are not available to
date. In any case, several cycles of freezing-thawing are not
recommended.

The official pdf documents filed with the European
Medicines Agency are here: http://www.emea.eu.int/vetdocs/vets/Epar/virbagenomega/virbagenomega.htm

The "Scientific Discussion" is real detailed and
informative.
The "Product Information" looks like the official
Product Insert info.

Australian FDA info: http://www.apvma.gov.au/gazette/gazette0111p14.shtml

A study where only 1 round of 5 injections was
applied for FeLV, instead of the recommended 3 rounds: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=55lang=eng

I was interested in possible interference with
Immunoregulin and/or continuing with Immunoregulin after VO therapy is complete.
The Scientific Discussion has a small blurb that says "Due to the indications
for use, concomitant use of immunological products is not recommended." Yet
interestingly, the Product Information is silent on this. So I emailed Virbac
and they said:
"Unfortunately, as far as I am aware, ImmunoRegulin
is not available in Europe and we do not have any data on the use of it either
concurrently with Virbagen Omega or before/after VO treatment. There are
products available in Europe (Baypamun HK and Acemannan) that are similar in
concept to ImmunoRegulin. My understanding of these products is that they work
by inducing the production of endogenous cytokines (including Interferons) but
that placebo controlled studies have failed to demonstrate a significant benefit
of treatment with these products. On this basis I can see little benefit in
continuing with ImmunoRegulin treatment as Virbagen Omega effectively bypasses
the need to produce endogenous type 1 interferons and will stimulate an
immunological cascade itself."
Anyone know what that means?

-Kyle

RE: New cat litter will detect illness in cats

2005-03-08 Thread Karolyn Lount

I use Wooden Pellets that are made for stoves. I pay $4.19 for 40 lbs.
I just cover the bottom of the pan. By doing this you do not have the
weight of other litters. After they pee on it, it turns to silt

Re: Thank you fm Del and Angel Effie

2005-03-08 Thread Karolyn Lount

May I suggest that when you need to replace bedspreads but large sheets
with a pattern. From a distance they look like a regular bedspread. They
are also a lot easier to wash. I picked this hint up from a neighbor of
mine that has 10 cats.

Re: Liver shake

2005-03-08 Thread Gloria B. Lane

You should be able to find it at the health food store.  I've used kelp 
before with my cats, but not spirulina.  Think they're both good 
nutrients.  Maybe somebody else knows...!

Gloria
At 07:22 PM 3/8/2005, you wrote:
I got the stuff but I couldn't get the Kelp or spirulina.What is the for 
does anyone know? should I just go ahead  give it to him anyway.Thanks
Anita

Re: Liver shake

2005-03-08 Thread Sue Feldbusch

Spirulina also is called blue algae, I think.  If you can't find it under 
spirulina, it could be under that.  Our big grocer has it.  Look in the 
vitamin section of your grocer.  For sure, a helath place will have it.  Ask 
if you can't find it.

From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Liver shake
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:08:28 -0600
You should be able to find it at the health food store.  I've used kelp 
before with my cats, but not spirulina.  Think they're both good nutrients. 
 Maybe somebody else knows...!

Gloria
At 07:22 PM 3/8/2005, you wrote:
I got the stuff but I couldn't get the Kelp or spirulina.What is the for 
does anyone know? should I just go ahead  give it to him anyway.Thanks
Anita

Re: New To This

2005-03-08 Thread Karolyn Lount

Hi, I use to have 18 cats both -+ and I had no choice but to mix them
because I live in a one bedroom condo. To the best of my knowledge none
of my - became +. 
Many of my + lived long enough to die because of problems that come with
old age. And then some of them died as young as 3mos. of age. It never
gets any easier, but I have been blessed with the number of cats that
have passe thru my life

Re: raising kittens???

2005-03-08 Thread Wheezercat42




Your welcome. I hope the diarrhea ends up being nothing to worry 
about.

Where there's Life, there's HopeKathy"There is nothing so strong as gentleness, 
and there is nothing so gentle as real strength." ~ Sir Francis de 
Sates

Re: Liver shake

2005-03-08 Thread catstevens




I asked at the health food store,he 
said they were out of kelp but the only spirulina they had in was a big jar of 
powder that was 48.00  I don't have much money.He asked what I wanted it 
for  I hold him he was very surprised that you could use either in the 
shake.He said that they are totally different he asked why we use those because 
the spirulina was an Iron supplement.
 
Anita
- Original Message - 
From: "Sue Feldbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Liver shake
 Spirulina also is called blue algae, I think. If you can't 
find it under  spirulina, it could be under that. Our big grocer 
has it. Look in the  vitamin section of your grocer. For 
sure, a helath place will have it. Ask  if you can't find 
it. From: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Liver shakeDate: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 
20:08:28 -0600You should be able to find it at the 
health food store. I've used kelp before with my cats, but not 
spirulina. Think they're both good nutrients.  Maybe 
somebody else knows...!GloriaAt 
07:22 PM 3/8/2005, you wrote:I got the stuff but I couldn't get 
the Kelp or spirulina.What is the for does anyone know? should I 
just go ahead  give it to him 
anyway.Thanks 
Anita

Re: Some More Virbagen Omega Info