date:20051130

one of my bengal friends, who's on daily heart meds, SWEARS by the
3-fishy-flavor compounding flavor--he's nowhere near as fond of the
other choices

and i can't believe i was a catmom for more than 15 years before
someone taught me about scruffing

wonder how much of his attitude is his name? them brooklyn folks can
be tough! (yes, it's a joke--first cup of coffee and all that)
--
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Re: Saying Goodbye

allie,

i couldn't even respond to this when i first read it yesterday. thank
you for so much--for your eloquence, for your compassion, for your
deep understanding of how important it is to gift our furcompanions
with a gentle passing when their time has come. and for the knowing
that the greatest tribute we pay those who gave us so much love is to
pass that on to the next needy critter just waiting for the life they
so deserve.

blessings on lola that her last hours will be spent with such
wonderful energy, on the new kitty that will benefit from your love
and all you've learned from lola and others, and on you to heal from
the pain of her leaving.

MC
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Garfunkle

2005-11-30 Thread Gloria Lane

Hideyo, I am so sorry for your loss.  You had such a strong tie to  
Garfunkle.  I know your love will help light his way home.  I  
understand -


Gloria

On Nov 28, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


...

This morning, he crossed the bridge to his new and a better life..  
life

without no pain.  He fought so hard for me, and we fought so hard
together..he was with me in my arms when he took the last breath.   
Nina,

you were right,,, I am never going to be ready for them to leave.. but
at least, Garfunkle gave me the 2nd chance so that I could cherish the
time with him, and I did.  But, I wanted more.

OT: Interesting Paper about Vaccines and the problems they can cause

2005-11-30 Thread Belinda Sauro


   Thought this was an interesting read:

http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/DODDS-CHG-VACC-PROTOCOLS.HTM

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Allie,I'm so sorry you must part with Lola, but you must do what is best for her. Hugs,SharonAllie Deaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I took Lola in to get re-evaluated, regarless of the fact that she has been going downhill fast. The results of the second test and bloodpanel were not nice, especially with her emerging symptoms. The fluid in her chest is continuing to accumulate, she stopped eating (Ive been syringe feeding her a high-cal prescription diet), she is very anemic and very jaundiced. Her breathing has become very labored and she isn't really moving around much. After discussions with 2 vets and quite a few other sources of research (including this list), we've decided to help her over the bridge after we've had a chance to
say goodbye. She has too many things off in her bloodwork, her red blood cells appear to be committing suicide, kidney enzymes are elevated, despite my efforts (pedialyte) to keep her hydrated and her liver enzymes are high despite my efforts to keep her fed (Hill's a/d). She is so weak, and since she is a just a kitten, who was born with the disease, it looks highly unlikely that aggressive treatment would do anything except buy her a little time. I think I'm at peace with my decision. I had plans to take a foster in this weekend, which I think I'll go through with since it will give me something to do and a place to direct all of my love. Plus, what better tribute to Lola than to save the life of another cat in need? I've requested that the foster be vaccinated against FeLV this once, just to be extra careful.Thanks, everyone.Allie
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Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

Sandy, your story made me angry too.  That poor kitty.
 I am so glad that we have angels watching over us and
a God to pray to because we humans can really make a
mess of things.  It's a good thing there is something
better after life here because it can get very
depressing.  I don't even watch the evening news
anymore because it's SO depressing!!!  Your story made
me consider the elderly.  When our parents or aunts
and uncles or whoever we care about get elderly, and
have accidents or begin to become disoriented or get
terminal cancer or some other terminal ailment, we
don't give up on them because they are dear to us (I
know, in real life, this isn't always true, but
generally it is).  We love them, and we do WHATEVER we
have to to help them, just as they cared for us when
we were small and helpless.  We buy diapers for them,
along with groceries and essentials, as some can't
drive anymore.  We might even have to put the diapers
on them or bathe or feed our loved ones.  We make sure
they have the medical care and medication they need,
and in a timely manner.  We read to them if they can't
see well, or play cards with them, or cut their hair
for them or take them to get it cut.  We find a
quality rest home if they need more care than we can
provide them at home or if we are wealthy, we might
provide a full-time nurse for them at home.  And when
they are dying, we are there with them until they are
gone.  We don't tuck tail and run when times get
tough.  We aren't perfect, and we don't do everything
perfectly, but we do the best we can.  We ADJUST our
lives however we have to to see them through.  And it
should be that way with our animals too, and I don't
understand people who aren't that way.  

Thank goodness your two dogs have you now Sandy.  
 
:)
Wendy



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Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits


wendy wrote:


anymore because it's SO depressing!!!  Your story made
me consider the elderly.  When our parents or aunts
and uncles or whoever we care about get elderly, and
have accidents or begin to become disoriented or get
terminal cancer or some other terminal ailment, we
don't give up on them because they are dear to us (I
know, in real life, this isn't always true, but
generally it is).  


Sadly, it wasn't true in my family... My dad's parents lived with us for 
years, and despite the fact that there were 3 children other than my 
dad, 2 of them much better off financially, no one ever chipped in a 
minute of time or a dime. Granny and Paw both ended up in a facility in 
the end, but they lived with us for ten years before that.


When my grandmother died two years ago, she and I were very, very close. 
I went with one of my aunts to get her a dress to be burried in, she had 
gained a considerable amount of weight in the nursing home. My aunt 
refused to buy her shoes or underwear because No one will see it, so 
I'm not spending the money on it. At that point in our shopping trip 
(Friday night, big mall, packed out), she shoved the dress in my hand 
and walked off leaving me in the mall crying. Before we burried her the 
next day I checked to make sure she *still* had the shoes on. People 
like this make me so mad... I've not spoken to this aunt since, but I 
think of this often.


Last year when my kitty died (it's been a year today) at the vets my 
family thought I was sick for burrying her... Can you imagine people who 
don't burry/cremate their pets and just let the vet throw them away?


People are sick horrible creatures...

Steph

Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 242

2005-11-30 Thread veggiepugs

LOL MaryChristine-
You are too funny. You know us New Yawkas. LOL. Actually they just put up a 
sign as you leave Brooklyn, heading towards the Verrezanno bridge that says 
Now Leaving Brooklyn...Fugghetaboutit LOL. My boyfriend actually named him. 
We spent a lot of time in Brooklyn in the beginning of our relationship and it 
has special meaning to us because there are so many places we went that hold 
memories...and to him it's also significant because he has family history 
there. He's a huge genalogy buff. lol. More on that romance another time. lol

Well, Brooklyn's a tough cat only when it comes to meds otherwise he's a little 
mushenberry. I think he's upset at me though. Since I started medicating him 
(or trying to) he's been distant and not cuddling with me at bedtime, of course 
I'm sure he doesn't feel well either and that's part of it. He of course always 
accepts head scratching. That's his favorite. I pick him up and hug him and 
just walk around with him so that he knows that not EVERY time he gets picked 
up does it mean meds. Poor little guy. 10 more days of this! 

He took his meds this morning, but not without getting in a nice bite on my 
hand which i think was just an accident, him trying to bite down and close his 
mouth. I GOTTA do the scruff thing. I'm nervous and I think that makes things 
more difficult. He actually scares me a little when he wails and starts 
flailing about...I admit it. 

Anyhow, I'll get better at this, I HAVE TO! 

Hugggsss
Rebecca

  
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  Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:24:34 -0500
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  one of my bengal friends, who's on daily heart meds, SWEARS by the
  3-fishy-flavor compounding flavor--he's nowhere near as fond of the
  other choices
  
  and i can't believe i was a catmom for more than 15 years before
  someone taught me about scruffing
  
  wonder how much of his attitude is his name? them brooklyn folks can
  be tough! (yes, it's a joke--first cup of coffee and all that)
  --
  MaryChristine

Re: Saying Goodbye

Allie,

I am so sorry that Lola is in such dire straits.  You
are probably making the right decision about helping
her over the bridge, even though it's such a hard
decision to make.  But especially if she is suffering,
then you are doing the right thing.  I will keep you
and Lola in my prayers.  And you are right, what a
wonderful tribute to Lola to save another kitty's
life.  I am sending you peace, strength, and asking
for blessings for you for being such a wonderful
person.  Thank you for what you did for Lola, taking
her in when no one else wanted her.  

:)
Wendy




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euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

2005-11-30 Thread Lomaxturtle

This makes me very sick too. I had no idea how common this was - humans are the 
cruelest beings to ever walk the planet. Is it any wonder we prefer the company 
of our animals.

Bad toilet habits can be due to many things as we know - people should be 
required to take a basic animal healthcare exam before being allowed to keep 
animals in my eyes. I hate it when people get animals just to entertain their 
kids too - this happened to a donkey at the sanctuary and when the kids grew up 
and he was old the owners didn't want him anymore so he went to sanctuary. He 
was at deaths door and despite treatment he was so depressed that he gave up 
and died. He was a lovely boy too. I hate stories like this about all animals. 
When Buddy first came home she pooped behind the sofa because she was too 
scared of her new environment to go to the litter box - so I put a box behind 
the sofa for her. She used that for a day before she came out of hiding. 
Minstrel and Buddy are both fussy as was Bramble - none like their feet dirty 
and try and stand on the sides of tray - so cute. I have to scoop and clean 
every day or scoop out twice a day and clean every other day if I'm lucky. In 
the last few years before we lost my dog Gemma - she became very incontinent - 
partly due to being overweight at one point and then she lost weight but her 
age meant her bladder was weaker. We tried medications but she was still 
incontinent and even more so after her CVA (lot of urine too as she was a big 
dog). We would never have dreamed about euthanasing her because of that. We put 
up with a smelly carpet and lots of cleaning and deodorising. Bad toileting is 
not the animals fault and to kill them because of it is sickening. People who 
can do that should not be allowed to own an animal as they don't deserve them.

Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy  Angel Bramble

Re: Saying Goodbye

Sherry,

What a wonderful tribute as well to Maizee Grace to
help out other kitties just like her!!!  You guys are
amazing

:)
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RE: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

Absolutely, I wish these people who kill animals for such reasons be
punished - I need justice for all kitties and doggies who have been
killed for these reasons.

If you guys remember, my neighbor abandoned the kitty to wild, Squeekie
who kept peeing outside of the litter box after she was being at her
house for two years (she was a feral cat, and my neighbor adopted her
inside of the house) - so I staked for a week or so, and re-trapped her
so that I could adopt her... she was never litter box trained right and
that's why she did not know to use a litter box.. so I re-introduced her
to a litter box after I finally was able to trap her.. and at my house,
she has no problem of using a litter box at all whatsoever ---I am
going to pray for all the animals who have been killed by us, human
beings are going to come back to have a better life...

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Subject: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

This makes me very sick too. I had no idea how common this was - humans
are the cruelest beings to ever walk the planet. Is it any wonder we
prefer the company of our animals.

Bad toilet habits can be due to many things as we know - people should
be required to take a basic animal healthcare exam before being allowed
to keep animals in my eyes. I hate it when people get animals just to
entertain their kids too - this happened to a donkey at the sanctuary
and when the kids grew up and he was old the owners didn't want him
anymore so he went to sanctuary. He was at deaths door and despite
treatment he was so depressed that he gave up and died. He was a lovely
boy too. I hate stories like this about all animals. When Buddy first
came home she pooped behind the sofa because she was too scared of her
new environment to go to the litter box - so I put a box behind the sofa
for her. She used that for a day before she came out of hiding. Minstrel
and Buddy are both fussy as was Bramble - none like their feet dirty and
try and stand on the sides of tray - so cute. I have to scoop and clean
every day or scoop out twice a day and clean every other day if I'm
lucky. In the last few years before we lost my dog Gemma - she became
very incontinent - partly due to being overweight at one point and then
she lost weight but her age meant her bladder was weaker. We tried
medications but she was still incontinent and even more so after her CVA
(lot of urine too as she was a big dog). We would never have dreamed
about euthanasing her because of that. We put up with a smelly carpet
and lots of cleaning and deodorising. Bad toileting is not the animals
fault and to kill them because of it is sickening. People who can do
that should not be allowed to own an animal as they don't deserve them.

Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy  Angel Bramble

Seperating the kitty household

I need a bit of advise... Right now I have two kitties, Rosie (15 y/o, 
mom was a stray, she's lived with me all her life, FIV+), and Chief 
(formerly TeeCee renamed while I was on vacation and adopted by my dad, 
FELV+ Intact male). Rosie hasn't handled Chief's addition to the 
household well, she hates him. Last week she moved behind the ironing 
board, refused to come out, and had bathroom accidents because Chief 
wouldn't let her out of hte kitchen. He's not mean, just wants to be 
friends, but he's 22lbs and she's 6... He's HUGE compared to her.


So, two nights ago I started taking her to her litter box. She'll potty 
if I do (boxes are in the bathroom), and then taking her to bed. We 
dont' have central heat, so sleeping with her locked in my room is 
chilly, but she's much happier and hasn't had accidents.


My problem is that Chief lays up against the door and wails. He doesn't 
meow or holler, he wails, long drawn out sounds that sounds like he's 
being tortured. All night... last night I got up and threw socks through 
the crack in the door until he left. (I had a migraine to boot and felt 
like ringing his oversize white neck).


What can I do to make the situation more peaceable?

Steph

RE: Separating the kitty household

I guess, I have a little bit concern regarding mixing FIV positive with
FeLV positive together even if they got along well.. both of their
immune system is compromised already, and there is a greater chance of
your 15 yr old baby is going to get FeLK from Chief - is there any way
to keep them separately.. I know many people on the list mix with FeLK
positives with negatives together and lots of people who has FIV cats
mix FIV positive and negatives together.. but when each of kitty already
has something that they are fighting against, I am concerned about the
situation.

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Seperating the kitty household

I need a bit of advise... Right now I have two kitties, Rosie (15 y/o, 
mom was a stray, she's lived with me all her life, FIV+), and Chief 
(formerly TeeCee renamed while I was on vacation and adopted by my dad, 
FELV+ Intact male). Rosie hasn't handled Chief's addition to the 
household well, she hates him. Last week she moved behind the ironing 
board, refused to come out, and had bathroom accidents because Chief 
wouldn't let her out of hte kitchen. He's not mean, just wants to be 
friends, but he's 22lbs and she's 6... He's HUGE compared to her.

So, two nights ago I started taking her to her litter box. She'll potty 
if I do (boxes are in the bathroom), and then taking her to bed. We 
dont' have central heat, so sleeping with her locked in my room is 
chilly, but she's much happier and hasn't had accidents.

My problem is that Chief lays up against the door and wails. He doesn't 
meow or holler, he wails, long drawn out sounds that sounds like he's 
being tortured. All night... last night I got up and threw socks through

the crack in the door until he left. (I had a migraine to boot and felt 
like ringing his oversize white neck).

What can I do to make the situation more peaceable?

Steph

Re: euthanizing/Now vet horror stories


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The greedy, in-it-for-the-money,  no compassion vet.  


I had one vet kill, purposely KILL one of my old cats. She was ailing 
with cancer, but was otherwise healthy and happy. She had gained weight 
since her diagnosis, her eating, drinking, sleeping, etc... She was 
leash trained and was one of the special ones. He OD her on Penicillin 
and she died a horrible death. The last 24 hours she was blind and the 
only place she would rest was in my arms, otherwise she walked around 
frantic running into things.


The big clinic in Charlotte tried to OD TeeCee on drugs, and I have 
complained to the BBB, a local TV station's investigative program, and 
the vet board. They wanted to PTS because he was FELV+ and was so sick. 
They told me there was no way he'd recover. Hmph... he's gained 12lbs in 
six months, he's healthy now, but still a tad thin... (Cheif/TeeCee's 
shoulders come right below my knee, probably around 16 - 18 at the 
shoulders, and he measures from nose to tail around 36, he's a damn big 
cat!)


Steph

OT - broken femur ball removal


Hi guys,
I know we've been really bad about OT stuff lately, but I was hoping I 
could sneak another way OT question in.  An associate of my husband was 
away on his honeymoon and returned home to find his cat injured.  His 
post is copied below.  Don't ask me who was watching the cat etc., I 
don't know these folks.  However it happened, they care enough to reach 
out to anyone who might have some advice for them to help their baby.  
Knowing how good you guys are at advice...  Any ideas?  Anyone have any 
similar problems that could provide insights?  I told him about 
anti-inflammatories such as Gluco/Chond, MSM, Lyprinol, because after 
Googling the subject it appears that there shouldn't be complications 
with pain after surgery.  I also mentioned suspicions of infection.

Thanks for any help you can give me to pass on!
Nina

 ... while we were away barry the cat had a fight with another cat 
underneath a car and broke his femur. the vet removed the ball of the 
femur from the pelvis and apparently cats can recover well without the 
bone once the muscle adapts. but there must have been some nerve damage 
because when we got home, he was dragging his leg and then he started to 
cry more and more until it got to the point where we had to take him 
back to the vet because he was obviously in pain.  so he's been at the 
vet for a week on painkillers and they're gradually reducing the dosages 
to try and work out what is hurting him. they have talked to specialists 
but still don't know whats causing the pain.   i wonder if you have 
heard of anything like this before.

Re: Off topic, but why does my cat do this?

That's so very cute! What a doll-baby! It sounds like Miss is
bringing you fresh sock kill for you to learn how to hunt! I think
that's so adorable. Have you tried playing with some of the smaller
objects she brings? She's probably a good fetcher. Momma ferals, I
guess house cats may do it too, bring half dead critters to their
babies to help them learn how to hunt and kill for food. It sounds
like she loves you very much to make sure your education is not lacking
:).
Nina

Dudes wrote:

Message

I know this is off topic, but I have
a burning question that i'm hoping someone can answer! Maybe shed a
little light! Why does my cat do this:

My oldest female Miss is constantly
bringing us *gifts*. She does this while meowing very loudly. We
always know when she is coming with a gift, because she announces
itwhile she is bringing it.

She brings us her toysmostly,a
fuzzy ball,a toy mouse or sometimes it issomething of ours. She is
constantly bringing out our socks,a shoe if she can carry it in her
mouth,a bra, even a roll of toilet paper. She raids our closets and
climbs the shelves to find what she wants. If we shut the doors to the
closets, she tears up toilet paper or paper towels, so we just let her
do her thing.

Most of the time, we notice she does
this when she wakes up anddoesn't find anyone around. She will start
meowing and searching for something. We've leftthe house before, and
left her napping, only to come back to find a pile of toys and socks or
undergarments (clean, dirty, doesn't matter) in the front room.

It got really bad when she
firstcame to usand she had a litter of kittens. She would steal
shirts, towels, anything she could carry in to her kittens!So I think
it is her way of doing something for us.I wonder if she thinks of us
as her kittens, and she must take care of us.It's very endearing, but Iwould love to know why she
doesthis! I think if she went outside, neighbors would be missing
thier socks, too! We have caught her digging in our laundry, getting
anything she can find that she can carry in her mouth and bring to
us.Sometimes she will stomp on whatever it is, and then pretend to
wrestle it before she deposits it for us. Then she will look
expectantly up at us, and Meow? We tell her thank you, and then she
look proud of herself, and willgo offtoget something else. It's
harmless and kind of cute, but kind of quirky. Does anyone have any ideas why she might do
this?
Sandy

Re: medicating Brooklyn

Hey Rebecca,

I am glad you are feeling more confident about giving
Brooklyn his meds.  Good for you for sticking it out
and being persistent!  Good luck giving him his meds
and I hope that it gets easier really fast!  Tell
Brooklyn we said Meow, meow.  That means You're
welcome.  lol.

:)
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Re: Separating the kitty household


Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


I guess, I have a little bit concern regarding mixing FIV positive with
FeLV positive together even if they got along well.. 


I tried total seperation when we first got Chief. Rosie lived in my 
room, had seperate food, water, and litter. But, she wasn't happy locked 
 in my room unless I was in there. So, she pulled all her hair out that 
she could reach and started spraying things.



has something that they are fighting against, I am concerned about the
situation.


I worry, too... She's vacinated for it, spent a good bit of her early 
life outside, so I think she's pretty well immune.


Rosie goes to work with me everyday, so they're only together for a few 
hours. They do share litter boxes and a waterdish, but that's it.


Right now, she's happy in my room at night, but now Chief doesn't have 
anywhere to sleep and he's unhappy with my door shut...


Steph

Re: Off topic, but why does my cat do this?


Lora,
Take the milk ring from him and roll it on the floor.  My guess is he'll 
run after it, retrieve it, and bring it back to you for more play!  You 
may need to encourage him to bring it back the first few times.  My 
Ursula loves those dumb rings too.

Nina

Lora wrote:


Jenn,

LOL. Our Baby Mason does this! :) Only he prefers
plastic milk jug rings.

Late at night (or early in the morning, depending on
how you look at it) he walks through the entire house,
room to room, meowing to himself with this stupid ring
in his mouth. Neither are any of the other cats around
him nor are they interested in what he has to say! :)

Me and my husband just have assumed that he likes the
sound of his own voice. ??? Never figured this one out
either, but it sure is CUTE!

Out of all thirteen (13) kitties he is the only one
who does this. Even his biological sister (from the
same litter) does not behave in this odd fashion.

Lora

RE: Separating the kitty household

Oh... I am so sorry that you are torn... well.. one thing I can suggest
is that do the introduction process start all over again.  It will take
a while, but it's very doable.. I have two cats who wanted to kill each
other, (literally, one of the bigger one goes to a throat of a smaller
one to kill), but after re-introduction, now they are completely happy!
They don't groom each other or anything, they happily co-exist -

I usually use screen door between rooms instead of solid door and/or a
crate technique.. but never throw them into a room with no
protection..what have you tried?  

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Subject: Re: Separating the kitty household

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

 I guess, I have a little bit concern regarding mixing FIV positive
with
 FeLV positive together even if they got along well.. 

I tried total seperation when we first got Chief. Rosie lived in my 
room, had seperate food, water, and litter. But, she wasn't happy locked

  in my room unless I was in there. So, she pulled all her hair out that

she could reach and started spraying things.

 has something that they are fighting against, I am concerned about the
 situation.

I worry, too... She's vacinated for it, spent a good bit of her early 
life outside, so I think she's pretty well immune.

Rosie goes to work with me everyday, so they're only together for a few 
hours. They do share litter boxes and a waterdish, but that's it.

Right now, she's happy in my room at night, but now Chief doesn't have 
anywhere to sleep and he's unhappy with my door shut...

Steph

Re: medicating Brooklyn

Another hint for flavor compounding...  Banana.  I don't know why banana 
works so well to cut bitterness, but it does.  It's not a flavor that I 
would have every associated with cats, but it does work.

Nina

TenHouseCats wrote:


one of my bengal friends, who's on daily heart meds, SWEARS by the
3-fishy-flavor compounding flavor--he's nowhere near as fond of the
other choices

and i can't believe i was a catmom for more than 15 years before
someone taught me about scruffing

wonder how much of his attitude is his name? them brooklyn folks can
be tough! (yes, it's a joke--first cup of coffee and all that)
--
MaryChristine

Re: Saying Goodbye


Allie,
I'm so sorry about your baby Lola.  Words fail me, it's so very hard to 
lose them.  Please try to take some comfort in the fact you gave her a 
warm and loving home.  She had someone to care for her and to care 
about, in that you were both blessed.  Bless you for helping others, and 
for making your corner of the world a soft place to land.

Love and sympathy,
Nina

Allie Deaver wrote:

Well, I took Lola in to get re-evaluated, regarless of the fact that 
she has been going downhill fast. The results of the second test and 
bloodpanel were not nice, especially with her emerging symptoms. The 
fluid in her chest is continuing to accumulate, she stopped eating 
(Ive been syringe feeding her a high-cal prescription diet), she is 
very anemic and very jaundiced. Her breathing has become very labored 
and she isn't really moving around much. After discussions with 2 vets 
and quite a few other sources of research (including this list), we've 
decided to help her over the bridge after we've had a chance to say 
goodbye. She has too many things off in her bloodwork, her red blood 
cells appear to be committing suicide, kidney enzymes are elevated, 
despite my efforts (pedialyte) to keep her hydrated and her liver 
enzymes are high despite my efforts to keep her fed (Hill's a/d). She 
is so weak, and since she is a just a kitten, who was born with the 
disease, it looks highly unlikely that aggressive treatment would do 
anything except buy her a little time. I think I'm at peace with my 
decision. I had plans to take a foster in this weekend, which I think 
I'll go through with since it will give me something to do and a place 
to direct all of my love. Plus, what better tribute to Lola than to 
save the life of another cat in need? I've requested that the foster 
be vaccinated against FeLV this once, just to be extra careful.


Thanks, everyone.
Allie

Steph/grandmas

OMG Steph!  What a horrible thing for your aunt to do?
 Has she lost her marbles?  Is she always that way, or
was it her reacting to her mother's death?  People do
strange things when they are in emotional distress.  

Like you, I was very close with my grandmother.  We
lived next door to her my whole life and I lived with
her when I was in high school (my mom and I aren't
very close; she's an alcoholic and I moved out when I
got tired of her crap) and when I started my first
teaching job out of college, and she was like a best
friend to me.  I loved her dearly.  She died almost 10
years ago, when I was 26, and I took it very hard.  I
miss her deeply, as you do your grandma.  After she
died, I would be at Walmart, and put something in my
basket that I knew she needed, and had to take it out
when I remembered that she was gone.  This went on for
a while.  It's so hard to let our loved ones go.  I
got really depressed and went to a counselor for a
while, which was the best thing I ever did for myself.
 I am sorry that you lost your grandma and I am even
sorrier that some of your family members don't
understand you.  Thank goodness for the grace of God,
when everything else that's supposed to be fine and
normal isn't.

:)
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Re: Off topic, but why does my cat do this?

Cricket used to play fetch with his toy.  It was
some feathers attached to the end of a plastic stick. 
He would bring it to me and I would throw it and he
would bring it back.  If I tried to use it like a
tickler, like normal kitties like, he wasn't
interested in it.  Only fetching and also jumping high
to catch it.  He also used to play hide-and-seek with
me.  I would hide and he would find me and then I
would run, laughing across the house, and he would
chase after me.  He was so cute.  I miss him so much.

--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's so very cute!  What a doll-baby!  It sounds
 like Miss is bringing 
 you fresh sock kill for you to learn how to hunt!  I
 think that's so 
 adorable.  Have you tried playing with some of the
 smaller objects she 
 brings?  She's probably a good fetcher.  Momma
 ferals, I guess house 
 cats may do it too, bring half dead critters to
 their babies to help 
 them learn how to hunt and kill for food.  It sounds
 like she loves you 
 very much to make sure your education is not lacking
 :).
 Nina
 
 Dudes wrote:
 
  I know this is off topic, but I have a burning
 question that i'm 
  hoping someone can answer!  Maybe shed a little
 light!  Why does my 
  cat do this:
   
  My oldest female Miss is constantly bringing us
 *gifts*.  She does 
  this while meowing very loudly.  We always know
 when she is coming 
  with a gift, because she announces it while she is
 bringing it.
   
  She brings us her toys mostly,a fuzzy ball, a toy
 mouse or sometimes 
  it is something of ours.  She is constantly
 bringing out our socks, a 
  shoe if she can carry it in her mouth, a bra, even
 a roll of toilet 
  paper.  She raids our closets and climbs the
 shelves to find what she 
  wants.  If we shut the doors to the closets, she
 tears up toilet paper 
  or paper towels, so we just let her do her thing.
   
  Most of the time, we notice she does this when she
 wakes up 
  and doesn't find anyone around.  She will start
 meowing and searching 
  for something.  We've left the house before, and
 left her napping, 
  only to come back to find a pile of toys and socks
 or undergarments 
  (clean, dirty, doesn't matter) in the front room. 
   
  It got really bad when she first came to us and
 she had a litter of 
  kittens.  She would steal shirts, towels, anything
 she could carry in 
  to her kittens!  So I think it is her way of doing
 something for 
  us.  I wonder if she thinks of us as her kittens,
 and she must take 
  care of us.  It's very endearing, but I would love
 to know why she 
  does this!  I think if she went outside, neighbors
 would be missing 
  thier socks, too!  We have caught her digging in
 our laundry, getting 
  anything she can find that she can carry in her
 mouth and bring to 
  us.  Sometimes she will stomp on whatever it is,
 and then pretend to 
  wrestle it before she deposits it for us.  Then
 she will look 
  expectantly up at us, and Meow?  We tell her thank
 you, and then she 
  look proud of herself, and will go off to get
 something else.  It's 
  harmless and kind of cute, but kind of quirky. 
 Does anyone have any 
  ideas why she might do this?   
  Sandy
 
 
   
 
 





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Re: Separating the kitty household





Steph,
I like Hideyo's idea of the screen door. Could you put one on your
bedroom door? That way poor lonely Chief might not feel so isolated.
I'd also rig him a wonderful cozy bed right by the door. You'd be able
to talk to him through the screen door too. I understand not wanting
to alienate Rosie, after all, she was there first. I also understand
the fears of mixing fiv and felv together, but I have made the decision
that once someone is a member of the household, their a member all the
way. I would keep talking to them and watching their behavior. For
instance, when you see Chief blocking Rosie's path in the kitchen, (for
whatever reason), I'd step between them and tell Chief to respect Rosie
and let her pass! Keep reminding him that he's lucky she allows him to
share her home, that she's the Grand Dam and he needs to honor her
majesty! I'd talk to Rosie and tell her how important it is to you to
have her help in smoothing out Chief's rough edges. Ask her to help
you get through to Chief that his behavior is not acceptable. That you
love her, but you want him to be happy too. It may take a while, but
you guys will figure this out. If Chief doesn't back off, give him a
time out, (a very short one, just a couple of minutes), behind a closed
door. Set him up with a room of his own, maybe a bathroom? Make it
comfortable in there, give him everything he needs and use that as his
time out space. Spend lots of time confined in there with him. When
you go in with Chief, (not after he's been naughty!), tell Rosie you're
going to spend some time with Chief to try and help him understand his
position in the family, (below Queen Rosie!). When he's pushy with
Rosie and doesn't back down when you tell him to, let him cool his
heels in his room. Then let him out and try again. Keep telling him
being in the house is a privilege, he has to follow the rules! It took
months for our socially retarded, cat hating, Kimba to get it, but get
it he finally did.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  Oh... I am so sorry that you are torn... well.. one thing I can suggest
is that do the introduction process start all over again.  It will take
a while, but it's very doable.. I have two cats who wanted to kill each
other, (literally, one of the bigger one goes to a throat of a smaller
one to kill), but after re-introduction, now they are completely happy!
They don't groom each other or anything, they happily co-exist -

I usually use screen door between rooms instead of solid door and/or a
crate technique.. but never throw them into a room with no
protection..what have you tried?  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Steph E
Caldwell
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Separating the kitty household

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  
  
I guess, I have a little bit concern regarding mixing FIV positive

  
  with
  
  
FeLV positive together even if they got along well.. 

  
  
I tried total seperation when we first got Chief. Rosie lived in my 
room, had seperate food, water, and litter. But, she wasn't happy locked

  in my room unless I was in there. So, she pulled all her hair out that

she could reach and started spraying things.

  
  
has something that they are fighting against, I am concerned about the
situation.

  
  
I worry, too... She's vacinated for it, spent a good bit of her early 
life outside, so I think she's pretty well immune.

Rosie goes to work with me everyday, so they're only together for a few 
hours. They do share litter boxes and a waterdish, but that's it.

Right now, she's happy in my room at night, but now Chief doesn't have 
anywhere to sleep and he's unhappy with my door shut...

Steph

RE: Separating the kitty household









Yep. I have a screen door everywhere in
the house, as I constantly introducing new kitties from time to time, some are
permanently installed, and others are just standing their (leaving the main
sold door open and just stick the screen door on and hold it by chair or
something)  they can sniff each other and see each other.. after all
they get used to smells of each other, they usually stop paying much attention 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005
10:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Separating the kitty
household





Steph,
I like Hideyo's idea of the screen door. Could you put one on your
bedroom door? That way poor lonely Chief might not feel so
isolated. I'd also rig him a wonderful cozy bed right by the door.
You'd be able to talk to him through the screen door too. I understand
not wanting to alienate Rosie, after all, she was there first. I also
understand the fears of mixing fiv and felv together, but I have made the
decision that once someone is a member of the household, their a member all the
way. I would keep talking to them and watching their behavior. For
instance, when you see Chief blocking Rosie's path in the kitchen, (for
whatever reason), I'd step between them and tell Chief to respect Rosie and let
her pass! Keep reminding him that he's lucky she allows him to share her
home, that she's the Grand Dam and he needs to honor her majesty! I'd
talk to Rosie and tell her how important it is to you to have her help in
smoothing out Chief's rough edges. Ask her to help you get through to Chief
that his behavior is not acceptable. That you love her, but you want him
to be happy too. It may take a while, but you guys will figure this
out. If Chief doesn't back off, give him a time out, (a very short one,
just a couple of minutes), behind a closed door. Set him up with a room
of his own, maybe a bathroom? Make it comfortable in there, give him
everything he needs and use that as his time out space. Spend lots of
time confined in there with him. When you go in with Chief, (not after
he's been naughty!), tell Rosie you're going to spend some time with Chief to
try and help him understand his position in the family, (below Queen
Rosie!). When he's pushy with Rosie and doesn't back down when you tell
him to, let him cool his heels in his room. Then let him out and try
again. Keep telling him being in the house is a privilege, he has to
follow the rules! It took months for our socially retarded, cat hating,
Kimba to get it, but get it he finally did.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:



Oh... I am so sorry that you are torn... well.. one thing I can suggestis that do the introduction process start all over again. It will takea while, but it's very doable.. I have two cats who wanted to kill eachother, (literally, one of the bigger one goes to a throat of a smallerone to kill), but after re-introduction, now they are completely happy!They don't groom each other or anything, they happily co-exist -I usually use screen door between rooms instead of solid door and/or acrate technique.. but never throw them into a room with noprotection..what have you tried? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Steph ECaldwellSent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:05 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Separating the kitty householdHideyo Yamamoto wrote: 

I guess, I have a little bit concern regarding mixing FIV positive 

with 

FeLV positive together even if they got along well.. 

I tried total seperation when we first got Chief. Rosie lived in my room, had seperate food, water, and litter. But, she wasn't happy locked in my room unless I was in there. So, she pulled all her hair out thatshe could reach and started spraying things. 

has something that they are fighting against, I am concerned about thesituation. 

I worry, too... She's vacinated for it, spent a good bit of her early life outside, so I think she's pretty well immune.Rosie goes to work with me everyday, so they're only together for a few hours. They do share litter boxes and a waterdish, but that's it.Right now, she's happy in my room at night, but now Chief doesn't have anywhere to sleep and he's unhappy with my door shut...Steph

Re: Separating the kitty household


Nina,

I've been running interference between these two since last December! 
Chief moved in three nights after my Alphie passed... I think part of it 
with Rosie is that she wasn't ready for another kitty in the household, 
and maybe she views him as taking Alphie from her? I let her see Alphie 
before he burried her, but we all took that hard. She didn't eat for a 
week afterwords unless I sat with her. Then I started bringing her to 
work because she couldn't handle being alone, and she still doesn't like 
to be alone.


I have talked to Chief and told him that, and I've talked to her, but 
she's just flat out scarred of him. He doesn't have a mean bone in his 
body, and if she approaches his dish while he's eating, he leaves and 
lets her have it, if he approahes her while she's eating, she doesn't 
leave, but won't eat, either. He's being playful, she's scarred, runs, 
and he chases her because he wants to play... It's gotten some better 
since he and I play (we play tag, when he's through playing he gets on 
his safe spot and I pet him), but she's scarred to come out because she 
can't defend herself.


Rosie's health is starting to fail, she's got some tumors growing in her 
abdomen, but right now she's in good weight, coat looks good, and she's 
eating, so my vet and I decided to leave them be and pray they're 
benign. I wouldn't put her through surgery if they're cancer, and I 
wouldn't treat her any different than I am now. She's old, and I'm not 
going to heroics to keep her alive. Her balance has also gotten poor and 
she's taken some pretty bad falls off previous perches and she literally 
can't get away from him other than this little hole behind the ironing 
board. Until her last fall from the top of the kitchen cabinets she had 
a few high perches that only she could get on, but now she's unable to 
jump more than a foot or so.


So, I'm not just dealing with the social aspect, but the ailing health 
of my Rosie... I lost her mom three years ago, she was at least 15, but 
probably older, and I lost her sister last year at 13... So, her family 
had a good long life, but she's still getting on up in years...


Steph


Steph,
I like Hideyo's idea of the screen door.  Could you put one on your 
bedroom door?  That way poor lonely Chief might not feel so isolated.  
I'd also rig him a wonderful cozy bed right by the door.  You'd be able 
to talk to him through the screen door too.  I understand not wanting to 
alienate Rosie, after all, she was there first.  I also understand the 
fears of mixing fiv and felv together, but I have made the decision that 
once someone is a member of the household, their a member all the way.  
I would keep talking to them and watching their behavior.  For instance, 
when you see Chief blocking Rosie's path in the kitchen, (for whatever 
reason), I'd step between them and tell Chief to respect Rosie and let 
her pass!  Keep reminding him that he's lucky she allows him to share 
her home, that she's the Grand Dam and he needs to honor her majesty!  
I'd talk to Rosie and tell her how important it is to you to have her 
help in smoothing out Chief's rough edges.  Ask her to help you get 
through to Chief that his behavior is not acceptable.  That you love 
her, but you want him to be happy too.  It may take a while, but you 
guys will figure this out.  If Chief doesn't back off, give him a time 
out, (a very short one, just a couple of minutes), behind a closed 
door.  Set him up with a room of his own, maybe a bathroom?  Make it 
comfortable in there, give him everything he needs and use that as his 
time out space.  Spend lots of time confined in there with him.  When 
you go in with Chief, (not after he's been naughty!), tell Rosie you're 
going to spend some time with Chief to try and help him understand his 
position in the family, (below Queen Rosie!).  When he's pushy with 
Rosie and doesn't back down when you tell him to, let him cool his heels 
in his room.  Then let him out and try again.  Keep telling him being in 
the house is a privilege, he has to follow the rules!  It took months 
for our socially retarded, cat hating, Kimba to get it, but get it he 
finally did.

Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


Oh... I am so sorry that you are torn... well.. one thing I can suggest
is that do the introduction process start all over again.  It will take
a while, but it's very doable.. I have two cats who wanted to kill each
other, (literally, one of the bigger one goes to a throat of a smaller
one to kill), but after re-introduction, now they are completely happy!
They don't groom each other or anything, they happily co-exist -

I usually use screen door between rooms instead of solid door and/or a
crate technique.. but never throw them into a room with no
protection..what have you tried?  


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Separating the kitty household

Well.. any stress is the biggest enemy when coming to the immune
compromising virus disease like FIV and FeLV --- I recommend that the
priority will be minimizing the stress for both kitties -  if he is
chasing her, I really think that he should not be freely interacting
with Rosie - I will be very concerned about her since she is a senior
cat in addition to FIV baby..

-Original Message-
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Caldwell
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Separating the kitty household

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:
 I usually use screen door between rooms instead of solid door and/or a
 crate technique.. but never throw them into a room with no
 protection..what have you tried?  

Well... At first Cheif lived solely in my room with the door closed. 
Then he got sick, and he lived in a crate in the living room. Then he 
moved to a 4 x 4 cage in the living room, coming out to visit and 
exercise a bit. Then he got run of the house a few weeks ago (provided 
he doesn't spray anything... I kind of overreacted last tiem he sprayed 
and carryied him around the house yelling at him for a few minutes, he 
hasn't done it again since then).

The problem is that he's finally feelign good. So, he hides and jumps 
out to play with Rosie. But, she's scarred and runs, and he thinks 
she's playing, and he chases her, and... It's not that their trying to 
hurt each other, she's just scarred senseless of him. She used to be a 
fighter and was top cat, but she's lost quite a few teeth, got hurt in

several falls from the bookcase and kitchen cabinets, and she just can't

defend herself anymore.

It's hard to see her get old and not be as mobile...

Steph

Re: Separating the kitty household


Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


chasing her, I really think that he should not be freely interacting
with Rosie - I will be very concerned about her since she is a senior
cat in addition to FIV baby..


Darn! I wanted some easy solution, but I think seperation is my only 
solution given her age and her health... it's teh only fair solution to 
her, and him... well, he'll just have to do without me for the 5 hours a 
night I sleep!


Rosie has gotten so loveable since I moved her into my room. She's 
purred constantly for the last two days, and at work has been much more 
social.


My family owns an insurance agency, so I can bring a sick animal to work 
with me... But, Rosie comes every day, and sometimes I take her out 
shopping, too... She's got a little harness and leash, and a little 
snuggly that I wrap her in, and we go to Lowes or Home Depot, she goes 
with us...


Rosie is very standoffish, but the past few days seems apprecaitive of 
havign her space and being able to sleep in bed, in peace instead of 
on the cold floor behind my ironing board... Rosie has a thing for 
sleeping on books and catalogs, so I put her a stack on my nightstand 
and she sleeps there, right under my lamp. I put an incandesant bulb in 
and leave it on at night for her warmth, and I can reach out and touch 
her whenever I happen to wake up, and she has steps made out of boxes to 
get on the bed, since it's so high and she can't jump... But, in the 
night if we have to go potty (she cries in my face if she needs to potty 
or water), then I'll carry her into the bathroom, close the door, she 
does her business, I carry her back and put her back to bed Sweet 
kitty, huh?


Steph

RE: Separating the kitty household

I personally recommend that you wait to get the third one at this
point,, it's too stressful for Rosie.. it might work out and it might
not - and if it did not, you will have a more headache than you do now..
I think, you might want to keep separating two with screen door for
now.. I want to really advise that you give a peaceful time for Rosie,
which could mean, she may not be integrated with the other kitty for
now.. I am just concerned how stressful she might be and I hate it
effecting her health.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Separating the kitty household

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

 Yep.  I have a screen door everywhere in the house, as I constantly 
 introducing new kitties from time to time, some are permanently 
 installed, and others are just standing their (leaving the main sold 
 door open and just stick the screen door on and hold it by chair or 
 something) - they can sniff each other and see each other.. after all 
 they get used to smells of each other, they usually stop paying much 
 attention ...

I think if I had three cats that things would be better... another young

kitty for Chief to play with, but my family doesn't want another animal 
in the house...

Steph

RE: Separating the kitty household

You can perhaps take a turn every day who gets the entire house (except
one that the other stays) --- I have a friend who does it, and works
well)

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: Separating the kitty household

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

 I guess, I have a little bit concern regarding mixing FIV positive
with
 FeLV positive together even if they got along well.. 

I tried total seperation when we first got Chief. Rosie lived in my 
room, had seperate food, water, and litter. But, she wasn't happy locked

  in my room unless I was in there. So, she pulled all her hair out that

she could reach and started spraying things.

 has something that they are fighting against, I am concerned about the
 situation.

I worry, too... She's vacinated for it, spent a good bit of her early 
life outside, so I think she's pretty well immune.

Rosie goes to work with me everyday, so they're only together for a few 
hours. They do share litter boxes and a waterdish, but that's it.

Right now, she's happy in my room at night, but now Chief doesn't have 
anywhere to sleep and he's unhappy with my door shut...

Steph

Re: Steph/grandmas


wendy wrote:


OMG Steph!  What a horrible thing for your aunt to do?
 Has she lost her marbles?  Is she always that way, or
was it her reacting to her mother's death?  People do
strange things when they are in emotional distress.  


No she was always a heartless you-know-what. She told my grandmother to 
her face that country club people shouldn't mix with mill hill people 
(mill hills in the south are houses the textile mills built for their 
employs, my grandparents both worked in mills and we still own the mill 
house they bought... and we still live there!), that was her excuse for 
not including her mother in their thanksgiving plans that year.


I'm totally thrilled to be an only child... my dad's side isn't very 
nice, I look at the other three girls and wonder where he acme from 
'cause he's a wonderful man and very generous and honest... his sisters 
lack those traits... one of hte three is a wonderful woman, but a 
habitual liar and truth stretcher... she's the only one I'll speak to. 
Guess I'm lucky I got the good one of the family for a dad!



 I am sorry that you lost your grandma and I am even
sorrier that some of your family members don't
understand you.  Thank goodness for the grace of God,
when everything else that's supposed to be fine and
normal isn't.


Thanks... I've been weepy and sad today... This entire weekend really... 
and this group is the most suportive and understanding group around... I 
lost my aunt fifteen years ago this month, my granddad 5 years ago this 
month, Candy, the mother to my Rosie, three years ago last month, 
Alphie, Rosie's sister, a year ago today, several other of my kitties 
died this week in the past 15 years, my Rosie has ailing health and 
isn't getting any better, and my dad has heart disease and is getting 
worse. I'm just totally unprepared to deal with facing anything at this 
point and I'm not prepared to accept mortality right now... I'm tired of 
dealing with death and dying... Somehow I've ended up horribly depressed 
lately, and I gained 20lbs to boot and nothing fits.


Sorry for dumping my problems on you guys...

Steph

A feel good story

I thought we could all use a little warmth right
now...

We picked up my brother and his girlfriend Jill from
the airport yesterday.  They had been in Europe.  Jill
went in early August for a semester abroad in the
Netherlands, and since the semester only lasts a few
months there, and my brother just graduated and
doesn't have a job yet, he went over to spend three
weeks traveling Europe with her.  She has a kitty that
she couldn't take with her so her mom took care of
kitty while she was gone.  Jill said that her mom told
her yesterday that her kitty somehow knows she's
coming home.  For the last two days, instead of
prowling around and doing her normal kitty things, she
has been acting strangely.  Kitty has been sitting in
a chair watching the front door, waiting for her
guardian, and at the slightest noise, she is up and
alert.  Isn't that amazing?!

So now, animal communicators are sounding more
believable to me.  If a kitty can sense when it's
guardian is coming home, what else can they do?!!!

:)
Wendy



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Re: Separating the kitty household

Hmm...  Rosie's failing health,  and the fact that you've tried to 
dissuade Chief from initiating play changes things.  I'd suggest 
bringing in another fiv kid to interact with Chief, but that would 
probably upset Rosie...  You talked about a hole behind the ironing 
board and it gave me an idea.  Since Rosie is so much smaller than 
Chief, could you rig small safe houses in several rooms near, or on 
the floor where Rosie could retreat to?  You could make the openings 
small enough for Rosie, but not large enough for Chief and the interiors 
deep enough to give Rosie a sense of security.   I'm a big believer in 
allowing our geriatric friends the opportunity to live their last years 
in peace and harmony.  Chief's not making this easy for you guys!  How 
about a rigged kitty door that's only large enough for Rosie to 
squeeze through to your bedroom?  That way she'd have a room that she 
could come and go to, if she chooses, and Chief could only gain 
admittance when you're there to supervise.  Your sweet girl deserves 
some peace!  I'm sorry to hear about Rosie's tumors, I pray she recovers 
and the tumors remain small and benign.   It's wonderful that her mom 
and sister lived such long lives, but it makes the transition of moving 
on with our lives without them even harder.  It's so hard to adjust :( .

N

Steph E Caldwell wrote:


Nina,

I've been running interference between these two since last December! 
Chief moved in three nights after my Alphie passed... I think part of 
it with Rosie is that she wasn't ready for another kitty in the 
household, and maybe she views him as taking Alphie from her? I let 
her see Alphie before he burried her, but we all took that hard. She 
didn't eat for a week afterwords unless I sat with her. Then I started 
bringing her to work because she couldn't handle being alone, and she 
still doesn't like to be alone.


I have talked to Chief and told him that, and I've talked to her, but 
she's just flat out scarred of him. He doesn't have a mean bone in his 
body, and if she approaches his dish while he's eating, he leaves and 
lets her have it, if he approahes her while she's eating, she doesn't 
leave, but won't eat, either. He's being playful, she's scarred, runs, 
and he chases her because he wants to play... It's gotten some better 
since he and I play (we play tag, when he's through playing he gets on 
his safe spot and I pet him), but she's scarred to come out because 
she can't defend herself.


Rosie's health is starting to fail, she's got some tumors growing in 
her abdomen, but right now she's in good weight, coat looks good, and 
she's eating, so my vet and I decided to leave them be and pray 
they're benign. I wouldn't put her through surgery if they're cancer, 
and I wouldn't treat her any different than I am now. She's old, and 
I'm not going to heroics to keep her alive. Her balance has also 
gotten poor and she's taken some pretty bad falls off previous perches 
and she literally can't get away from him other than this little hole 
behind the ironing board. Until her last fall from the top of the 
kitchen cabinets she had a few high perches that only she could get 
on, but now she's unable to jump more than a foot or so.


So, I'm not just dealing with the social aspect, but the ailing health 
of my Rosie... I lost her mom three years ago, she was at least 15, 
but probably older, and I lost her sister last year at 13... So, her 
family had a good long life, but she's still getting on up in years...

Pictures of my Kitties


I just stuck some photos up of Rosie, Alphie, and TeeCee/Chief

http://photos.yahoo.com/stefffi_c album Kitties

Steph

Re: Steph/grandmas


Oh Steph,
I hadn't been following this thread, I'm so sorry for all your 
heartache.  This certainly is a bad month for you.  Ours seems to be 
Feb.  We're always losing someone, or having some catastrophic thing 
happen around that month.  Take a deep breath, give yourself permission 
to be weepy, indulge yourself in any way you can.  Know that you are 
cared about and make sure you do something nice/positive for yourself.  
I'm sending you hugs and support to gain the strength you need to see 
you through.  One thing about life, it never stays the same, things are 
always changing.  When things are dark, I close my eyes and hold on 
until the light shines again.  Surprisingly, it always does.  Hold on girl!

Nina

Steph E Caldwell wrote:


wendy wrote:


OMG Steph!  What a horrible thing for your aunt to do?
 Has she lost her marbles?  Is she always that way, or
was it her reacting to her mother's death?  People do
strange things when they are in emotional distress.  



No she was always a heartless you-know-what. She told my grandmother 
to her face that country club people shouldn't mix with mill hill 
people (mill hills in the south are houses the textile mills built for 
their employs, my grandparents both worked in mills and we still own 
the mill house they bought... and we still live there!), that was her 
excuse for not including her mother in their thanksgiving plans that 
year.


I'm totally thrilled to be an only child... my dad's side isn't very 
nice, I look at the other three girls and wonder where he acme from 
'cause he's a wonderful man and very generous and honest... his 
sisters lack those traits... one of hte three is a wonderful woman, 
but a habitual liar and truth stretcher... she's the only one I'll 
speak to. Guess I'm lucky I got the good one of the family for a dad!



 I am sorry that you lost your grandma and I am even
sorrier that some of your family members don't
understand you.  Thank goodness for the grace of God,
when everything else that's supposed to be fine and
normal isn't.



Thanks... I've been weepy and sad today... This entire weekend 
really... and this group is the most suportive and understanding group 
around... I lost my aunt fifteen years ago this month, my granddad 5 
years ago this month, Candy, the mother to my Rosie, three years ago 
last month, Alphie, Rosie's sister, a year ago today, several other of 
my kitties died this week in the past 15 years, my Rosie has ailing 
health and isn't getting any better, and my dad has heart disease and 
is getting worse. I'm just totally unprepared to deal with facing 
anything at this point and I'm not prepared to accept mortality right 
now... I'm tired of dealing with death and dying... Somehow I've ended 
up horribly depressed lately, and I gained 20lbs to boot and nothing 
fits.


Sorry for dumping my problems on you guys...

Steph

Re: Pictures of my Kitties

Thanks for sharing pictures of your babies.  Your Rosie looks like such 
a regal miss, like she knows she's important and doesn't appreciate it 
when others don't get that fact.  Chief is so mischievous looking!  I 
remember postings about TeeCee before, is this the same cat?  I'm 
telling you that boy could win my heart in an instant, (I love the 
naughty boys!).

N

Steph E Caldwell wrote:


I just stuck some photos up of Rosie, Alphie, and TeeCee/Chief

http://photos.yahoo.com/stefffi_c album Kitties

Steph

Re: Steph/grandmas

Hey Steph,

Don't apologize.  I bet many here have been where you
are feeling right now and have a compassion for you. 
It's so hard to believe that people can be like your
aunt.  I have no concept of how it's even possible to
go through life with thoughts like that; of thoughts
that I'm better than someone else or higher up on the
social ladder.  The only solace I gather in dealing
with people like this is that I know they are not
happy people, and that, in and of itself, is justice
enough for me, in a warped way.  

It sounds like the holidays are a hard time for you
and I can see why.  And I am so sorry to hear about
your dad.  I am close to my dad too, and if he was
ill, I would be beside myself too.  I will pray for
him and for you.  Is he able to be put on a waiting
list to have a heart transplant?  

Just remember Steph that what you are feeling is only
for a season, and happier feelings will eventually
replace those if you just hang in there.  Life is FULL
of ups AND downs.  As Newton said, what comes up must
go down, (and vice versa when dealing with life).  And
if you get too depressed, clinically depressed, then
go get help.  Tom Cruise is an idiot sometimes, and if
Katie Holmes gets post partum depression after she
delivers his baby, then maybe he will understand that
there is such a thing as drugs that help people's
psyche.  After my grandmother died, I wasn't eating or
sleeping right, I couldn't get along with anyone at
work, I was crying all the time for no reason, and
felt like my mind was literally slipping, which was
the scariest thing I've ever felt.  So I went to my
family doctor who I'd been going to since I was 14,
and told him my symptoms.  He said, Well, it sounds
like you're depressed.  I said, No sh_t, sherlock. 
lol.  He said, No, I mean clinically depressed.  I
said, Well how do we fix that? and he said, You
need to take anti-depressants to re-balance the
chemicals in your brain.  I said, I'm not taking
anti-depressants!  He said, Well, you can go on
feeling like you are.  I said, Write me a
prescription.  So I took those things for two and a
half months and I was back to myself again, thank God,
and then I stopped taking them, and I've been fine
ever since.  That was 10 years ago.  I'm not saying
you need medication.  I am just saying that if you get
too low, take care of yourself.  Don't be afraid to
ask for help or to take a prescription if you're too
low and your doctor(s) think it would help.  There are
so many negative stigmas associated with taking meds,
and if I wouldn't have had my own experience, I
wouldn't have the confidence I do in them, which is
weird for me, because I hate taking any pills for
anything at all.  Even vitamins.  So the last place
you will find me is strung out on pain killers!  lol. 
But seriously Steph, try to enjoy some things in your
life, like the kitties you do have, hang on, and keep
looking on the bright side.  And remember, this is
only for a season.  And we're always here for you to
vent to.  And stay away from your aunts during the
holidays!!!

Stay strong-
:)
Wendy



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Re: Pictures of my Kitties

Love the pic of TeeCee licking his chops.  That is
hilarious!  He looks like such a ham!  They are all
three beautiful!  I wish I had all those trees where I
live!  I love trees!





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RE: Toilet training for Michelle UK

2005-11-30 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.


Hi Michelle---thanks for this info, which will help with my own problem
(Tiger).

My Q yesterday tho was prompted by an email from my sister in UK who
writes a newspaper column and had received a letter from a reader with a
litterbox prob. I wanted to be able to give my sister the name of a
really good UK cat odour-remover that she could pass on to all readers
with same problem (my sister doesn't have cats herself). My thinking
being that if the info just helps prevent one poor cat being pts it's
worth the effort.

If you are able to find any info on the best odor-remover in UK that
would be great. But don't go out of your way--I have some great info
already from Barb and MC re the reader's main Q (how to toilet train
adult cats that you've had for years).

Kerry





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There are a few things that I'd like to ask if you've tried.

1) plug in pherimones - sometimes relaxes the animal so they don't get
so territorial. 

Are there any other animals sharing the house (their patch)? if so put
them in one room so that they develop a sense of security and keep that
room free from other animals. When they are let out supervised after a
while to explore then make sure that room is still kept free from other
animals as it will be their little secure haven.

2) Have you tried putting newspaper or a rubber backed rug with plastic
sheet under it on there toilet hotspot - you may need to gradually build
up to litter - sometimes shreaded paper or old piece of carpet in a
litter box may do, or material that you can wash.

3) Sometimes putting bits of food in there toilet hotspots helps as they
won't toilet where they eat so sometimes keep putting food down until
they learn where food doesn't go and they can safely toilet helps.

All this came from a tv program about unruly pets. Cats were toileting
on carpets etc - the trainer did all of the above and it cured itself
rapidly. I'm not saying this will work in your case but always worth a
try

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RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

2005-11-30 Thread catatonya

Hideyo,I'm so sorry for your loss. I hope you are doing ok with it. You are very right cherish the extra time you had with him and I truly think the fact that Ginger began eating is a gift from him. I don't know why we lose them when we do, but I always try to look for something good to come from it. It may be that another one of yours needs you more right now. I have noticed that when I lose one my relationships with the others often changes. I can't explain that, but it happens. I like to think it all happens for a reason, even when the pain is there too.take care, tonyaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, again thank you very much for all the prayers forGarfunkle.A miracle did
happened after he was so close to death a couple of weeksago, it was really a miracle and that Garfunkle's strong will power thatmade it happen (and all your prayers) so that he could come back for meso that I could spend more time with him. Every day I had with him, Itreasured it so much.. I loved him like there is no tomorrow.. and nowthere is no tomorrow.. at least in a physical sense.. I can't hold mybaby Garfunkle any more in my arms.. and can't stand a thought of notbeing able to.This morning, he crossed the bridge to his new and a better life.. lifewithout no pain. He fought so hard for me, and we fought so hardtogether..he was with me in my arms when he took the last breath. Nina,you were right,,, I am never going to be ready for them to leave.. butat least, Garfunkle gave me the 2nd chance so that I could cherish thetime with him, and I did. But, I wanted more.There are always, what if.. what if I did not give
him that.. what if Itook him to the vet sooner,.. what if I paid more attention to him...but I am try not to do that.. because Garfunlke gave me everything he'sgot to love me,,, and in my mind, I did the same... I loved him so muchand I still love him and I will ALWAYS love him. I just miss him soterribly... I can't imagine my life without him. Yeah... I have so manycats.. but it does not matter,,, each one of them are so special to me,and I can't stand the pain of not having any of them.. and Garfunlke wassure a special boy to me. He always came to say hi to me... everysingle time he sees him.. and I am going to miss it so bad.Garfunkle was and is such a fighter... such a caring soul.. everyone(kitty) loved and loves him so very much.. he is such a sweet potatolover.. god I miss him, and I want to cry.. but I am trying not to..because, I want Garfnkle to feel good about his new departure. Everyone, please join
celebrate Garfunlke's new departure. We (me andkitties) had a celebration party for Garfunkle this morning.. (they allgot tune treat!.. thanking Garfunkle for everything he has given to allof us.PS. My Ginger started eating yesterday after three months of noteating!!! This must be a genuine gift from Garfunkle to me and Ginger.

RE: Postive and Negative Cats?

2005-11-30 Thread catatonya

I'm glad you saw that, Kerry! I'm behind on my email. I definitely meant NOT expose a kitten."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would, however, knowingly expose a kitten, vaccinated or not. Tonya---just forbenefit of new members---you mean*not* expose, right. Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Sunday, November
27, 2005 9:17 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Postive and Negative Cats? Allie,I truly think you are safe to mix them. I always have, but I have vaccinated the negatives at least twice before doing so. However, sometimes with strays I haven't had that luxury. They were given one vaccination and mixed with the household. So far I haven't had any negatives contract the disease. I would, however, knowingly expose a kitten, vaccinated or not.tonyaAllie Deaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone. Leo tested negative today and was vaccinated. Right now, he and Lola are separate, just because she's resting and he's trying to play with her and that's causing some problems. Being as how she
might not have much time left and he's a 4 year old, very strong cat, I think I'll let them mix for Lola's remaining time on th! e planet. She's starting to lose a little weight (despite having a normal appetite) and the fluid in her lungs is...there...which is not a good sign. She's still acting quite happy and normal other than those two things.Allie On 11/26/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Allie,Nice to meet you and welcome. I haven't read your other emails to the group, but I thought I'd weigh in here with mo.I mixed. None of my negatives, (all adults, all vaccinated), turned up positive in the two years that my pos babies lived. I never worried about separate feeding dishes, grooming,
playing, or litterboxes, (they had already been mixed when I found out they were pos). I did however stop taking in any young, old! er, sick cats, or kittens. I still have one cat from my pos litter of bottle babies, (Tim). He tested negative and has remained asymptomatic. I haven't had him retested since, I figure if he ever gets sick, that will be time enough. There is one other kitten from the litter, Lucky, (litter of 6 I found at the back door of a spay/neuter clinic when they were only 2 1/2 weeks old), that was adopted out before we learned about their status. He too is doing wonderfully well, but lives alone and is an inside only cat. Lucky has never been tested. It's a tough decision about mixing, I don't want to live in a separated household, but I worried for a very long time about subjecting my negs to the possibility of contracting this terrible disease. Usually when faced with these hard choices, I go with quality
of life over quantity.Nina Chris wrote:Four of my cats lived together for several years before I found out my Tucson was pos. They had not been felv vaccinated and two had come in as kittens. None of the other three tested pos and I vaccinate them every year. I did not even consider separating as they had all lived together for those years and no one had contracted felv. They eat together, use the same litter box, play with the same toys, groom each other, and on and on. I brought in a stray I had been feeding last year and it turned out he was pos but totally asymptomatic... So, I now have 5--2 pos, 3 neg and my biggest problem is that Tuscon hates the
latest addition. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Allie DeaverSent: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:17 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Postive and Negative Cats?Hey everyone-I was wondering...my other cat hasn't been tested yet, but will be tomorrow. However, whether he is positive or negative, we have a problem. He either has to live with a positive cat or, when my FeLV+ kitty crosses teh bridge, or if he's positive and can't go into remission (he shows no symptoms of anything, he's a very healthy cat overall, except for the usual occassional kitty eye goobers and hairballs), he'll need a companion, since he does NOT do well alone. I've been looking for someone with FeLV+ cats for adoption in my area (Chicago), with no avail. That, and the cats I take in tend to be needy, homeless strays that choose me (who are then taken immediately to the vet to be tested, have inital rabies and FVRCP vacs and an exam before they ever meet the other
resident cat, since I can only have 2 at a time). And anyway, if he's a neg, I ! have no plans to cast off my kitten just because she has this diagnosis. So how do you guys do it? Everything I've ever read says "remove all positive cats from the household" or "elect euthanasia if you have a multi-cat household" as if it were that easy. I'm aware that some of you keep both positives and negatives together...so I have some questions and I would really love it if you guys would share some of your

Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

Aw, Thank you Wendy.  I did not tell you all that to toot my own horn,
because I have made some mistakes in my life with animal companions that
make me cringe to think about.  But I do feel like more people need to be
more understanding and patient with fuzzies, especially after they get a
little older.
And boy, some days like today, it sure was hard not to scold the dogs while
I was cleaning up pee when I got home today.  :)  I kept telling myself,
they are only dogs,and they get anxious when we are not home.  The pee
cleans right up.  But it's hard to come home after a long day at work, when
I've been on my feet all day and all I can think about is getting home so I
can take off my bra and my shoes!  But I can't because if I did, I would
have wet socks!  So I had to clean up pee first.
And Wendy, I do relate what we are talking about to the elderly, too.  I
never knew my grandparents, and I really enjoy elderly patients.  In my
doctor's practice, we see a lot more elderly folks than we do young folks
just because of the nature of his specialty.  I lost my parents young, so I
always consider it such a blessing when I am acquainted with elderly
patients.  I always wonder if their children, grandchildren etc, are aware
of how lucky they are to still have them around, no matter how much trouble
they are, they are worth it! I try to make sure that I am as cheery as I can
be when we are in clinic, and treat them like gold because I never knew my
grandparents, either.  I love hearing stories about way back when.  :)
There's so much value in what they still have to tell us, if we only listen.
Sandy


San

Re: Off topic, but why does my cat do this?




Nina, you make me smile! I will be 
sure to watch carefully the next timewe are out stalking 
socks!Miss is a real sweetie,and 
shelovesfetching. She used to jump very acrobatically, but 
alas, her weight prohibits her from it now.
Sandy

That's so very cute! What a doll-baby! It sounds like Miss is 
bringing you fresh sock kill for you to learn how to hunt! I think that's 
so adorable. Have you tried playing with some of the smaller objects she 
brings? She's probably a good fetcher. Momma ferals, I guess house 
cats may do it too, bring half dead critters to their babies to help them learn 
how to hunt and kill for food. It sounds like she loves you very much to 
make sure your education is not lacking :).Nina

Re: Off topic, but why does my cat do this?

ya know, someplace in cyberspace there's a message board with a
heading, OT--why does my human DO this? written by our cats. i'm
not sure i want to see what odd things THEY comment upon


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Re: litter/Pills/and another good deal!





Tonya,
My friend has one, and callsit 
herHelen Keller because it can't see or hear, but it functions very 
well! That's not very P.C. , I know, but I thought it was funny. Her 
cats are also fascinated by it, and enjoy watching it.
Sandy

Also, I don't know if anyone else has one, but I bought one of 
those "roomba" robot vacuum cleaners. I absolutely LOVE it! I 
would recommend it to anyone with pets!

Re: litter/Pills/and another good deal!

thanks for sharing this--i've really wondered how these little
critters work with fur and litter-crumbs i'm SURE the cats would
love it. except, of course, for jess, the small-pony-of-a-coonie
FIV--he was terrified of kittens!

On 11/30/05, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am using cat attract.  someone on the list recommended it.  I have had far
 less problems since using it.  Not perfection!  But a lot closer!!  It's
 also very dust free and clumps well.  It is, unfortunately, very expensive
 if you have a lot of cats.

 Also, I don't know if anyone else has one, but I bought one of those
 roomba robot vacuum cleaners.  I absolutely LOVE it!  I would recommend it
 to anyone with pets!

 You turn it on and it vacuums for a few hours by itself and then docks
 itself back to recharge!  It is programmed not to fall off of steps! I
 really doubted it could possibly work, but it does.  Instead of coming home
 and vacuuming every day, now I just turn on the roomba!  I still have to get
 out the vacuum for baseboards, furniture, beds, etc... but I spend a lot
 less time vacuuming.  It does a great job on cat hair AND LITTER

 It's my new best friend. lol.  And I think the cats think it's some kind of
 animal.  They will try to stare it down and chase it away, but it just keeps
 coming. lol.  When it keeps coming they run away p*ssed off at it, but not
 really scared of it like I thought they'd be.

 t

 veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Has anyone heard of Cat Attract Litter?

 http://www.preciouscat.com/WebPages/catattract.html

 I just read about this on a kitty behavior page. The website owner swears by
 it. Not the manufacturer, a person with cats. lol.

 Patti
 I do happen to have a mortar and pestle. Yay!
 =)
 Rebecca





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Off topic, but I have a food question