Re: Ceasar is no longer in pain (please add him to the CLS)
Poor baby. No wonder. What a kindness you did for him. Big hugs to you for all you do. Goodnight, sweet Ceasar... =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Cool Catholic Stuff! Click Here -- www.TotallyCatholic.com/Theresa Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350Come check me out on MySpace at http://www.myspace.com/terricrazycatlady - Original Message - From: Nina To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; Paul Hendel Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: Ceasar is no longer in pain (please add him to the CLS) Hello my beloved group,I just got the call from the vet. Ceasar had deep puncture wounds that were abscessed all over his body, the deepest around his neck and the most infected on his rear leg, no wonder my brave little man was limping. He had a high fever and the worst news of all, he was felv+. They hadn't yet investigated why his nose was bleeding, or why there was blood in his saliva. The vet, who is always reluctant to recommend euthanasia, said if she were Ceasar she wouldn't want to wake up from the kind of pain he must have been living with. I still hesitated, I still thought maybe there was a way. I asked if there could be any doubt about his status, the answer was an unequivocal no. Before we left for the vet, he allowed me to stroke him through the grate of the trap. His skin was covered with small lesions, with that gritty feel that comes from flea infestation. Poor little lamb! He was angry, but he didn't try to scratch me, or even hiss. I spoke softly to him and told him how much he was loved and that he was finally home. I had so prayed that I would be bringing him back to comfort and security this afternoon. I had to finally decide to let him go. I'm so sick about not being able to trap him when I first met him, maybe he would be healthy today. I feel like I failed him, my only consolation is that he's no longer suffering, he's no longer confined, and he's no longer producing felv kittens. He lived the hard life of a cat on the street and I helped him as best I could. Thank you all for caring about a special little feral boy and understanding how he has left an imprint on my heart.Bless you my sweet, brave, clever friend. I will love you always.Nina
Re: Ceasar is no longer in pain (please add him to the CLS)
Dear Nina, I am so sorry about your loss of sweet little Caesar. All ferals hold a very special place in my heart I know that he held a very special place in yours. He definitely seemed to know that you were his special person he knew that you would take care of him in the most unselfish of ways. He left this world knowing that he is loved. Take care. Yvonne
Special Need List Add-On: Madison Lee
Belinda, Could you please add my darling little Madison Lee to the Special Needs list? She is one of my FeLV negatives who is a five (5) year old black and white tuxedo. On July the first I found a knot, the size of a quarter, at the base of her neck. I do not know if any of the original members who were active when I first joined the FElVtalk list back in 2002 (when my beloved Peeper was alive) remembers the college argumentative essay that I wrote regarding Feline Vaccine Aassociated Sarcomas (FVAS.) Anyway, that essay was written a year later in 2003 and that is the year I quit vaccinating my kitties...ALL of them. It is because of this that I am hoping my sweet little Madison does NOT have FVAS. She has not been vaccinated for FVRCP, Rabies or Feline Leukemia in the past three (3) years. We took her to the hospital for an external exam on Saturday July the 8th. Exactly one week later. Thanks to the blasted 4th of July holiday they were backed up and the 8th was the soonest that I could get in! Why in the hell do all medical emergencies occur on the holidays when regular veterinarian offices are closed?! This is the third time is has happened to me and my kids in the past ten years! Grrr! Unfortunately, our veterinarian informed us that cats can develop FVAS with or withOUT be vaccinated! I do not know if I agree with this statement. I will have to do more research. Perhaps there has been some new developing information in the last three (3) years that supports this theory. I do not know, but will find out. Amptuation surgery is scheduled immediately. If the tumor is indeed malignant, the longer it stays in her body the higher the risk of it metastasizing to other parts. A huge concern is cancer in her chest cavity. Surgey will begin on Wednesday July the 12th and once the tumor has been removed our veterinarian will dissect it and send it to pathology for confirmation. We are all praying that it is just a benign, fatty, subcutaneous tumor that will not require chemo, but unfortunately there is no way to tell until the tumor is physically out of her body and sent to pathology. Currently, Madison is asymptomatic. She is not showing any outward signs of cancer. She has not lost any weight, her appetite has remain normal and hardy, she is not running a temperature, her eyes and nose are clear, her coat is still shiny and her activity level has not slowed down. So, we sit and wait...and pray with positive thoughts. Out of 22 years of resuce work and a cat-mom to 14, never once have I ever encountered a feline with a tumor. This will be another first for me. 2006 is quickly turning out to be a bad year for me. With that said, we hope for the best, but are perpared for the worst. Please keep us in your thoughts. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
I have missed this conversation too much too figure out what's going on.. Is the silica what is supposed to be hazardous???I just bought a 'horsetail reed' for my pond, and the lady told me the settlers used to break the reeds to get the silica out of it to wash dishes with..I have tried swheat scoop and got the meal worms/moths, and where I washed them outside they attracted flies and ants.. I liked it, but I gave up on it.tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Kat! The chicken feed certainly wouldn't work for Michelle, or anyone that might have a rodent problem. I can just see the little guys lined up at the buffet. Was it someone on the list that wrote about weevils being a problem with wheat litter? You'd think I had tons of time on my hands! I can't even remember where I read what.NinaKat wrote:Nina,There are 2 kinds of crumbles - one of them is laced with antibiotics, sodouble check when you call around.Kat (Mew Jersey)
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
Hi Tonya, Yeah, silica is a no no. Michelle started the thread with an article on clumping clay litter that talked about the dangers of sodium bentonite, esp to kittens, (respiratory, GI, etc), but silica is bad too. I don't know about the dangers it would pose in a horsetail reed. Maybe you could look it up under poisonous plants? I know I had a site bookmarked, but I can't find it. Let me know if you need help researching it. Nina catatonya wrote: I have missed this conversation too much too figure out what's going on.. Is the silica what is supposed to be hazardous??? I just bought a 'horsetail reed' for my pond, and the lady told me the settlers used to break the reeds to get the silica out of it to wash dishes with.. I have tried swheat scoop and got the meal worms/moths, and where I washed them outside they attracted flies and ants.. I liked it, but I gave up on it. t
RE: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
How do we know if they use sodium bentonite? Will they say it if they do,, or if they use clay, they have to use sodium bentonite? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:36 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health Hi Tonya, Yeah, silica is a no no. Michelle started the thread with an article on clumping clay litter that talked about the dangers of sodium bentonite, esp to kittens, (respiratory, GI, etc), but silica is bad too. I don't know about the dangers it would pose in a horsetail reed. Maybe you could look it up under poisonous plants? I know I had a site bookmarked, but I can't find it. Let me know if you need help researching it. Nina catatonya wrote: I have missed this conversation too much too figure out what's going on.. Is the silica what is supposed to be hazardous??? I just bought a 'horsetail reed' for my pond, and the lady told me the settlers used to break the reeds to get the silica out of it to wash dishes with.. I have tried swheat scoop and got the meal worms/moths, and where I washed them outside they attracted flies and ants.. I liked it, but I gave up on it. t
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
Here's a paste from Michelle's article: Sodium bentonite, a naturally swelling clay, is often added as an extremely effective clumping agent. When liquid is added, bentonite swells to approximately 15 times its original volume. But because sodium bentonite acts as an expandable cement would, litters containing sodium bentonite should never be flushed; when they expand they can block plumbing. I don't know if they are mandated to list ingredients like sodium bentonite, or silica on the labels of kitty litter. I think a good rule of thumb, (at least the one I'm going to follow), is, if it is a clumping clay litter, don't use it. I would certainly not use it for kittens or sick cats that might eat or lick litter. It seems to me it wouldn't be good for any cat because they will probably ingest at least some litter when grooming themselves after, um, visiting the box. And there's the problem with inhaling the stuff too. I did read that litters like Johnny cat, you know, plain clay litters, don't carry the same risks. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: How do we know if they use sodium bentonite? Will they say it if they do,, or if they use clay, they have to use sodium bentonite?
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
Thanks for the chuckle, re: "ugh...". I know exactly what you mean. Ah, for the days of ignorant bliss... N catatonya wrote: Thanks Nina, I'll look it up. The reed is for my pond so the cats won't be getting into it, but still I guess I need to check up on my litter now too. ugh. t Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya, Yeah, silica is a no no. Michelle started the thread with an article on clumping clay litter that talked about the dangers of sodium bentonite, esp to kittens, (respiratory, GI, etc), but silica is bad too. I don't know about the dangers it would pose in a horsetail reed. Maybe you could look it up under poisonous plants? I know I had a site bookmarked, but I can't find it. Let me know if you need help researching it. Nina
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
yes... we should have all known that clumping litter was too good to be true. lol. maybe i'll just go back to regular. it's cheaper anyway.ALSO has anyone tried the 'sifting bags' for litter. They're expensive, but I love them. Cleaning the box is faster, and when you get down to the last layer the litter box isn't as hard to wash.The box says they are best for declawed cats, but my cats have all their claws. Sometimes they do rip through a layer or 2, but it's still worth it to me.tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a paste from Michelle's article:"Sodium bentonite, a naturally swelling clay, is often added as an extremely effective clumping agent. When liquid is added, bentonite swells to approximately 15 times its original volume. But because sodium bentonite acts as an expandable cement would, litters containing sodium bentonite should never be flushed; when they expand they can block plumbing."I don't know if they are mandated to list ingredients like sodium bentonite, or silica on the labels of kitty litter. I think a good rule of thumb, (at least the one I'm going to follow), is, if it is a clumping clay litter, don't use it. I would certainly not use it for kittens or sick cats that might eat or lick litter. It seems to me it wouldn't be good for any cat because they will probably ingest at least some litter when grooming themselves after, um, visiting the box. And there's the problem with inhaling the stuff too. I did read that litters like Johnny cat, you know, plain clay litters, don't carry the same risks.NinaHideyo Yamamoto wrote:How do we know if they use sodium bentonite? Will they say it if theydo,, or if they use clay, they have to use sodium bentonite?
Re: Special Need List Add-On: Madison Lee
Hi Lora, Prayers coming your way for your little Madison Lee's lump to be just a fatty tumor. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Lora wrote: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Special Need List Add-On: Madison Lee Belinda, Could you please add my darling little Madison Lee to the Special Needs list? She is one of my FeLV negatives who is a five (5) year old black and white tuxedo. On July the first I found a knot, the size of a quarter, at the base of her neck. I do not know if any of the original members who were active when I first joined the FElVtalk list back in 2002 (when my beloved Peeper was alive) remembers the college argumentative essay that I wrote regarding Feline Vaccine Aassociated Sarcomas (FVAS.) Anyway, that essay was written a year later in 2003 and that is the year I quit vaccinating my kitties...ALL of them. It is because of this that I am hoping my sweet little Madison does NOT have FVAS. She has not been vaccinated for FVRCP, Rabies or Feline Leukemia in the past three (3) years. We took her to the hospital for an external exam on Saturday July the 8th. Exactly one week later. Thanks to the blasted 4th of July holiday they were backed up and the 8th was the soonest that I could get in! Why in the hell do all medical emergencies occur on the holidays when regular veterinarian offices are closed?! This is the third time is has happened to me and my kids in the past ten years! Grrr! Unfortunately, our veterinarian informed us that cats can develop FVAS with or withOUT be vaccinated! I do not know if I agree with this statement. I will have to do more research. Perhaps there has been some new developing information in the last three (3) years that supports this theory. I do not know, but will find out. Amptuation surgery is scheduled immediately. If the tumor is indeed malignant, the longer it stays in her body the higher the risk of it metastasizing to other parts. A huge concern is cancer in her chest cavity. Surgey will begin on Wednesday July the 12th and once the tumor has been removed our veterinarian will dissect it and send it to pathology for confirmation. We are all praying that it is just a benign, fatty, subcutaneous tumor that will not require chemo, but unfortunately there is no way to tell until the tumor is physically out of her body and sent to pathology. Currently, Madison is asymptomatic. She is not showing any outward signs of cancer. She has not lost any weight, her appetite has remain normal and hardy, she is not running a temperature, her eyes and nose are clear, her coat is still shiny and her activity level has not slowed down. So, we sit and wait...and pray with positive thoughts. Out of 22 years of resuce work and a cat-mom to 14, never once have I ever encountered a feline with a tumor. This will be another first for me. 2006 is quickly turning out to be a bad year for me. With that said, we hope for the best, but are perpared for the worst. Please keep us in your thoughts. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Special Need List Add-On: Madison Lee
Me too, Lora. I'll be praying that the lump is nothing more than fatty tissue and be thinking about the two of you come Wed. Has it grown, or changed in anyway since you spotted it? Does it hurt her when you manipulate it? Does it seem to move as you play with it, or does it remain in one place, like it's attached to something? Please keep us informed. Try not to worry before you know if there's anything to be too concerned about. I know that's easier said than done, but you're on top of it and worry won't help. Hugs to you and your baby, Nina Kat wrote: <>Hi Lora, Prayers coming your way for your little Madison Lee's lump to be just a fatty tumor. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Lora wrote: Belinda, Could you please add my darling little Madison Lee to the "Special Needs" list? She is one of my FeLV negatives who is a five (5) year old black and white tuxedo.
Re: Bandy's latest
I hope this email finds Bandy feeling better. tKerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:He is sick again...He started limping on the left leg Sunday and it seemed to be causing him some pain so I started giving him some pain meds and also a dex on Sunday..He is eating and drinking some, but since he was to go to eye spec. on today, I thought I had better have him checked out since he wasn't any better on Wed..So he had 105.5 temp and very out of it...I hope we caught this in time this time...anyway his vet here thinks we should go back to the internal med specialist to have a bone scan done cause the leg problems are just going back and forth...this is about the 4th or 5th time he has been in for this in the last 6 wks...he gets better then it goes to the other leg with some soft tissue swelling...Any of you had any sort of trouble like this? I did ask about the RA tests and she said sometimes they aren't conclusive...so MRI or bone scan or something on that line might tell us what is going on...She is suppose to call the specialist today...so I hope we get an appt. asap..We are going to start the IR on Monday cause his temp needs to be down when we give the first injection..Anyway, the eye appt is off for now..have to re-schedule.. Please keep him in your prayers once again... Hope everyone else is doing good today. Kerry and Bandy Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: Izzie is now positive
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Re: Special Need List Add-On: Madison Lee
Lora,More prayers for Madison Lee.tonyaNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me too, Lora. I'll be praying that the lump is nothing more than fatty tissue and be thinking about the two of you come Wed. Has it grown, or changed in anyway since you spotted it? Does it hurt her when you manipulate it? Does it seem to move as you play with it, or does it remain in one place, like it's attached to something? Please keep us informed. Try not to worry before you know if there's anything to be too concerned about. I know that's easier said than done, but you're on top of it and worry won't help.Hugs to you and your baby,NinaKat wrote: Hi Lora,Prayers coming your way for your little Madison Lee's lump to be just afatty tumor.Kat (Mew Jersey)On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Lora wrote:Belinda,Could you please add my darling little Madison Lee tothe "Special Needs" list? She is one of my FeLVnegatives who is a five (5) year old black and whitetuxedo.
OT-Rabies Vaccine
I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Doddsis trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to thedangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if thisannualvaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorrythis isOT butwith acanine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need tovaccinate more.Roxane,Horton, Iowa Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
RE: OT-Rabies Vaccine
Rabies vaccination is a state law driven than anything else ---I live in NM, either annual or every 3 years (they use a different vaccine type).. but my vet recommend does not require 3 year vaccine for cats (too strong for a small body). Regardless I hope that you do not vaccine your felk kitties I get a waiver letter from my vet for all my felk and fiv kitties so that they wont need to get vaccinations. I know of very scary stories from reaction of vaccinations.. so I dont get rabies on any of my cats whenever possible. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roxane Baldwin Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:18 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT-Rabies Vaccine I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Doddsis trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to thedangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if thisannualvaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorrythis isOT butwith acanine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need tovaccinate more. Roxane, Horton, Iowa Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
RE: OT-Rabies Vaccine
3 year and 1 year are very similar in their dosage according to my vet.. but 3 year has a bit more--- so she did not mind using it for dogs and was still not comfortable for using cats .. if you think about it.. a 70 lb dog gets the same dosage of rabies vaccine as a 6 lb of cats which is very scary.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT-Rabies Vaccine every state's regs are different--but many DO require an annual shot; around here (mid-Michigan), they're only giving the one-year shot (i don't have the citation, but i've heard that, in reality, the 3-year and the 1-year are actually the same dosage--anyone know anything about that?) my vets never used to check whether my cats were vaccinated for rabies, but now they are requiring proof if i bring in one they haven't seen the paperwork on before On 7/10/06, Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Doddsis trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to thedangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if thisannualvaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorrythis isOT butwith acanine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need tovaccinate more. Roxane, Horton, Iowa Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Special Need List Add-On: Madison Lee
I am be praying that your babie's lump is just a fatty cist... I have had a couple of cats who had a lump and I was so worried that it was cancer.. but neither of them ended up being.. so I will be praying that it's the case your Madison lee. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Special Need List Add-On: Madison Lee Hi Lora, Prayers coming your way for your little Madison Lee's lump to be just a fatty tumor. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Lora wrote: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Special Need List Add-On: Madison Lee Belinda, Could you please add my darling little Madison Lee to the Special Needs list? She is one of my FeLV negatives who is a five (5) year old black and white tuxedo. On July the first I found a knot, the size of a quarter, at the base of her neck. I do not know if any of the original members who were active when I first joined the FElVtalk list back in 2002 (when my beloved Peeper was alive) remembers the college argumentative essay that I wrote regarding Feline Vaccine Aassociated Sarcomas (FVAS.) Anyway, that essay was written a year later in 2003 and that is the year I quit vaccinating my kitties...ALL of them. It is because of this that I am hoping my sweet little Madison does NOT have FVAS. She has not been vaccinated for FVRCP, Rabies or Feline Leukemia in the past three (3) years. We took her to the hospital for an external exam on Saturday July the 8th. Exactly one week later. Thanks to the blasted 4th of July holiday they were backed up and the 8th was the soonest that I could get in! Why in the hell do all medical emergencies occur on the holidays when regular veterinarian offices are closed?! This is the third time is has happened to me and my kids in the past ten years! Grrr! Unfortunately, our veterinarian informed us that cats can develop FVAS with or withOUT be vaccinated! I do not know if I agree with this statement. I will have to do more research. Perhaps there has been some new developing information in the last three (3) years that supports this theory. I do not know, but will find out. Amptuation surgery is scheduled immediately. If the tumor is indeed malignant, the longer it stays in her body the higher the risk of it metastasizing to other parts. A huge concern is cancer in her chest cavity. Surgey will begin on Wednesday July the 12th and once the tumor has been removed our veterinarian will dissect it and send it to pathology for confirmation. We are all praying that it is just a benign, fatty, subcutaneous tumor that will not require chemo, but unfortunately there is no way to tell until the tumor is physically out of her body and sent to pathology. Currently, Madison is asymptomatic. She is not showing any outward signs of cancer. She has not lost any weight, her appetite has remain normal and hardy, she is not running a temperature, her eyes and nose are clear, her coat is still shiny and her activity level has not slowed down. So, we sit and wait...and pray with positive thoughts. Out of 22 years of resuce work and a cat-mom to 14, never once have I ever encountered a feline with a tumor. This will be another first for me. 2006 is quickly turning out to be a bad year for me. With that said, we hope for the best, but are perpared for the worst. Please keep us in your thoughts. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: OT-Rabies Vaccine
Unless it changed (last checked was 2005), the state of Iowa doesn't have a law dealing with feline vaccines, canine yes(rabies only). My FIV Felv will not have another vaccine ever. I'm just so upset because this vets office and others make it sound like it is the law to have every vaccine out there and that is so not true. I've been trying to find some set standard but your right, with all the different state laws, you cannot find any information on standards. I just have my blood boiling. Thanks for your reply : )RoxaneHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:3 year and 1 year are very similar in their dosage according to my vet.. but 3 year has a bit more--- so she did not mind using it for dogs and was still not comfortable for using cats .. if you think about it.. a 70 lb dog gets the same dosage of rabies vaccine as a 6 lb of cats which is very scary..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCatsSent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:24 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT-Rabies Vaccine every state's regs are different--but many DO require an annual shot; around here (mid-Michigan), they're only giving the one-year shot (i don't have the citation, but i've heard that, in reality, the 3-year and the 1-year are actually the same dosage--anyone know anything about that?) my vets never used to check whether my cats were vaccinated for rabies, but now they are requiring proof if i bring in one they haven't seen the paperwork on beforeOn 7/10/06, Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Doddsis trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to thedangers of over vaccinating.Does anyone know if thisannualvaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet?I'm sorrythis isOT butwith acanine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need tovaccinate more. Roxane,Horton, Iowa Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
RE: OT-Rabies Vaccine
I hate to tell you this, but its true,, vaccines are easy on going money making tools for most of vets.. so whenever they can they will make it sound like its mandatory and most of people will comply it (this comment came from a vet that I know..).. also most of vets office has a commission that each veterinarian has to make every month. so.. thats one way to increase their income (this also came from another vet that I know..) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roxane Baldwin Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT-Rabies Vaccine Unless it changed (last checked was 2005), the state of Iowa doesn't have a law dealing with feline vaccines, canine yes(rabies only). My FIV Felv will not have another vaccine ever. I'm just so upset because this vets office and others make it sound like it is the law to have every vaccine out there and that is so not true. I've been trying to find some set standard but your right, with all the different state laws, you cannot find any information on standards. I just have my blood boiling. Thanks for your reply : ) Roxane Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3 year and 1 year are very similar in their dosage according to my vet.. but 3 year has a bit more--- so she did not mind using it for dogs and was still not comfortable for using cats .. if you think about it.. a 70 lb dog gets the same dosage of rabies vaccine as a 6 lb of cats which is very scary.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT-Rabies Vaccine every state's regs are different--but many DO require an annual shot; around here (mid-Michigan), they're only giving the one-year shot (i don't have the citation, but i've heard that, in reality, the 3-year and the 1-year are actually the same dosage--anyone know anything about that?) my vets never used to check whether my cats were vaccinated for rabies, but now they are requiring proof if i bring in one they haven't seen the paperwork on before On 7/10/06, Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Doddsis trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to thedangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if thisannualvaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorrythis isOT butwith acanine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need tovaccinate more. Roxane, Horton, Iowa Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
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Hi Roxane, One of the clinics here in NJ is also going to a one year rabies vaccine - I asked them in particular why, and they said it's a slightly different vaccine, one that uses a different adjuvant (delivery liquid), and that it has a shorter immunity duration. Since they are not my primary vet (only my emergency clinic) I did not push it, but if you want I can find out more about it. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Roxane Baldwin wrote: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT-Rabies Vaccine I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Dodds is trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to the dangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if this annual vaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorry this is OT but with a canine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need to vaccinate more. Roxane, Horton, Iowa - Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
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Isn't that just sad they let greed interfere with our pets health. RoxaneHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I hate to tell you this, but its true,, vaccines are easy on going money making tools for most of vets.. so whenever they can they will make it sound like its mandatory and most of people will comply it (this comment came from a vet that I know..).. also most of vets office has a commission that each veterinarian has to make every month. so.. thats one way to increase their income (this also came from another vet that I know..)From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roxane BaldwinSent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:36 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT-Rabies Vaccine Unless it changed (last checked was 2005), the state of Iowa doesn't have a law dealing with feline vaccines, canine yes(rabies only).My FIV Felv will not have another vaccine ever. I'm just so upset because this vets office and others make it sound like it is the law to have every vaccine out there and that is so not true. I've been trying to find some set standard but your right, with all the different state laws, you cannot find any information on standards.I just have my blood boiling.Thanks for your reply : )RoxaneHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3 year and 1 year are very similar in their dosage according to my vet.. but 3 year has a bit more--- so she did not mind using it for dogs and was still not comfortable for using cats .. if you think about it.. a 70 lb dog gets the same dosage of rabies vaccine as a 6 lb of cats which is very scary..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCatsSent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:24 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT-Rabies Vaccine every state's regs are different--but many DO require an annual shot; around here (mid-Michigan), they're only giving the one-year shot (i don't have the citation, but i've heard that, in reality, the 3-year and the 1-year are actually the same dosage--anyone know anything about that?) my vets never used to check whether my cats were vaccinated for rabies, but now they are requiring proof if i bring in one they haven't seen the paperwork on before On 7/10/06, Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Doddsis trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to thedangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if thisannualvaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorrythis isOT butwith acanine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need tovaccinate more.Roxane,Horton, Iowa Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Roxane,Horton, Iowa How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
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in reality, the 3-year and the 1-year are actually the same dosage--anyone know anything about that?) I've also heard that. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Thank you Kat,You don't have to do that, I'm going to the office tonight, our oldest girl (Felv neg)had a small mass removed today, so I will give them the 21 questions. I found this website: http://critteradvocacy.org/Feline%20Recommendations.htmRoxane : ) PS, the mass looks ok but we will wait for the test to come back.Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Roxane,One of the clinics here in NJ is also going to a one year rabies vaccine -I asked them in particular why, and they said it's a slightly differentvaccine, one that uses a different adjuvant (delivery liquid), and that ithas a shorter immunity duration. Since they are not my primary vet (onlymy emergency clinic) I did not push it, but if you want I can find outmore about it.Kat (Mew Jersey)On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Roxane Baldwin wrote: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Roxane Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT-Rabies Vaccine I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Dodds is trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to the dangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if this annual vaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorry this is OT but with a canine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need to vaccinate more. Roxane, Horton, Iowa - Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.Roxane,Horton, Iowa Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
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I've had vets tell me they are the same.Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in reality, the 3-year and the 1-year are actually the same dosage--anyone know anything about that?) I've also heard that.-- Belindahappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design]http://HostDesign4U.comBMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Prayers for Madison. I had heard that VAS occurs withini a few weeks after vaccination only. Michelle
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There is a rabies vaccine (can't remember the name off the top of my head-- the company is something like Mirasol) that goes into the skin without a needle. My vet carries it (it is actually how I chose my current vet). It is a yearly shot, but it supposedly has no risk of associated sarcomas. Michelle
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My vet told me that the 1 year and the 3 years vaccines are different from each other in the way they are formulated. He said that in the areas where the 3 year vaccine has been in use, the rabies vector is higher. One way to get around the annual vaccine is to do titers - to actually test the blood to see if they need a new vaccine.If they don't need it - you're fine. Otherwise, you have to pay for the titers and the vaccine but at least you know you aren't over-vaccinating. In a message dated 7/10/2006 1:18:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Doddsis trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to thedangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if thisannualvaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorrythis isOT butwith acanine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need tovaccinate more.Roxane,Horton, Iowa Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
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The "one year" rabies vaccines have been shown to be effective for 3 years in many cases. The trouble is getting the studies done to prove it, and getting manufacturer's to relabel their products. The "2 year" and "3 year" vaccines have been the ones that they have completed the studies on so far, and that the manufacturer's have chosen to relabel. It's not something that will happen very quickly, as the drug companies make MORE MONEY the more often you shoot their product into your pet, thus, the industry resistance to relabel and study duration periods of the vaccines they already produce. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/2006
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Thats very true.. actually I read some research in the past that they can be as effective as 5 years (one year vaccine).. again, its just easier to make money at the expense of our pets health if they make it annually.. again.. its driven by state regulation. again, they dont do this to protect our animals so much but to protect human (unnecessarily) from rabies.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT-Rabies Vaccine The one year rabies vaccines have been shown to be effective for 3 years in many cases. The trouble is getting the studies done to prove it, and getting manufacturer's to relabel their products. The 2 year and 3 year vaccines have been the ones that they have completed the studies on so far, and that the manufacturer's have chosen to relabel. It's not something that will happen very quickly, as the drug companies make MORE MONEY the more often you shoot their product into your pet, thus, the industry resistance to relabel and study duration periods of the vaccines they already produce. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS!
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Cats can, and do, get Sarcoma cancer without being vaccinated. I would think that it would be a no brainer that cats can't get VACCINE ASSOCIATED Sarcoma without being vaccinated... DUH! So, perhaps your vet MEANT that cats can get Sarcoma without being vaccinated, and simply mis-spoke, or you mis-heard. Regardless, I wish you luck! Hopefully it is not cancer at all! Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/2006
Alice
Hello everyone, I amthe newbie from a few weeks back that had a litter of five, with oneFeLV positive. I was trying to find a home for her so that she could live out her life unsequestered,but didn't realize how terribly difficult that is. Nina, you wrote then that perhaps she had found her way to me for a reason, and that her home was meant to be with me. I believe you were right. I never did find anyone else to love her, thank goodness, becauseshe worked her way right into my heart.For the past monthI have spentall my free time with her, taking her outside on a leashevery evening and playing with her, snuggling with her, and justenjoying her company, knowing that her time may be short. Unfortunately, it was very short.Shecame down with a high fever, antibiotics helped for a few days, butshe began toswell withabdominal fluid and spikeda 106 degree temperature. FIP is likely, but not confirmed. An aspiration of the fluid showed it to be yellow, but notas dark a yellow as is normally seen with FIP, so it was inconclusive. She was suffering,struggling for each breath, I ammissing her terribly, but I couldn't let her keepon like that. She crossed over at 10:30 this morning.I have read with sorrow of the recent struggles and losses on this list (dear Ceasar!), how you folks in rescuehave the strength to go through thisover andover, I don't know. Bless you all, and thank you for all the advice and encouragement. Peace, Beth Peace, Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh Beth, I can't tell you how saddened I am to hear of your loss of sweet Alice. Such a special girl! Please try and take some comfort in the wonderful loving home you gave her and how happy you made each other in your brief time together. You have a little Angel watching over you and yours, and she'll always be with you in spirit. Nothing I can say will ease your pain right now, I realize that, but please know that we do understand the depth of emotion that these tiny little souls stir. Sweet little Alice is chasing butterflies in Heaven, telling everyone how special her Mom is and how big a heart you have. The unconditional love you showered on Alice knows no time frame, it will last forever. Isn't it amazing how such a tender little innocent can alter your life in ways you'd never have imagined? That's how and why we who rescue are able to continue to do what we do, heartbreak after heartbreak. Because those that touch our lives with grief also touch our lives with equal amounts of joy and gratitude. Blessings to you in your grief, may you soon be smiling through your tears at your memories of your darling little girl, Much love, Nina Gary Murphy wrote: Hello everyone, I amthe newbie from a few weeks back that had a litter of five, with oneFeLV positive. I was trying to find a home for her so that she could live out her life unsequestered,but didn't realize how terribly difficult that is. Nina, you wrote then that perhaps she had found her way to me for a reason, and that her home was meant to be with me. I believe you were right. I never did find anyone else to love her, thank goodness, becauseshe worked her way right into my heart.For the past monthI have spentall my free time with her, taking her outside on a leashevery evening and playing with her, snuggling with her, and justenjoying her company, knowing that her time may be short. Unfortunately, it was very short.Shecame down with a high fever, antibiotics helped for a few days, butshe began toswell withabdominal fluid and spikeda 106 degree temperature. FIP is likely, but not confirmed. An aspiration of the fluid showed it to be yellow, but notas dark a yellow as is normally seen with FIP, so it was inconclusive. She was suffering,struggling for each breath, I ammissing her terribly, but I couldn't let her keepon like that. She crossed over at 10:30 this morning.I have read with sorrow of the recent struggles and losses on this list (dear Ceasar!), how you folks in rescuehave the strength to go through thisover andover, I don't know. Bless you all, and thank you for all the advice and encouragement. Peace, Beth Peace, Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm sorry, Nina.tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys all know I caretake a couple of small colonies of ferals. You may have heard me talk about Caesar, "the one that got away". He's a big tabby Tom that I tried to trap for a very long time and nothing I came up with worked. He disappeared about a year ago and I figured he was either killed or found a new territory. Well, he showed up a couple of days ago looking really bad. He's emaciated, has open sores all over his body, hair loss from who knows what, and limping on his right rear leg. Yesterday he was in an area that, had I been prepared, I could have gotten a net over him. The feral group I belong to convinced me not to try to net him, since he's an adult intact Tom, even though he's sick. I was very lucky to find someone to borrow a drop trap from and the good news is, I got him tonight. The bad news is, he's even sadder looking up close. He was bleeding from the nose and his drool contained blood too. The vet's office where I take ferals to agreed to see him if I bring him in first thing tomorrow. I'm sick with worry over how bad he looks. I'm afraid she's going to tell me to pts. Please pray that whatever is going on with Ceaser, it's something he can recover from. Thanks everyone, I know how much power this group has, and as always, I appreciate your support,Nina
