Re: OT:my neighbour is moving and putting her own cat to sleep!
Does anyone know what came to be of this poor soul? I was personally following this particular thread, but an update was never posted. Please tell me that there is a happy ending... Poor baby. --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday, my neighbour college student girl came over and ask if I could adopt one of her cats, she has two and she is moving into a place where they only allow one cat -- what type of logic is this? Then, I asked what she is going to do if she cannot find a home and her BF said to me... well the vet suggests that PTS ---because he is too fragil and did not think that he can go through any stressful sitatuion... I just couldn't believe it. where I left is that I would come take a look at the cat. I am not sure what to do. I just know that this cat definitely does not deserve to be PTS just because these people are cruel and idiot enough to find a place where they only allow one cat when they already have two cats! I just don't get it. Any suggestions? As I need to vent and see if anyone has any ideas as to what I need to do. Hideyo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Smokey
Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: new to FeLV
Hi Peggy, I'm sorry to hear that Scooter has tested positive, but happy you found us. I'm even happier that you have decided to keep Scooter. I don't believe in accidents when it comes to cats; Scooter came to you guys for a reason. Bless you guys for taking him in. About FeLV and transmission. I had a stray give birth on my porch about five years ago. I found her a home and two of the three kittens a home. The third kitten I named Cricket and ended up keeping. He was my baby. I had two others in the house as well. Two years after Cricket was born, he got very sick and ended up testing positive for FeLV. He probably was born with it. We got him over that illness and he was fine for two more years, until he succumbed to FeLV related anemia that I believe was brought on by the stress of having a lot of family living with us for a week during Hurricane Rita last year. I lost him in November. None of my other cats are positive. Two of them lived with him more than four years (they are 10 now) and another lived with him for two years (she's 17). They all shared the same water and food bowls and litter boxes, but no grooming. There are a lot of people here who mix. The big thing you will need to worry about is fighting. If blood or bites are exchanged, then the FeLV is more easily transmitted. Scooter may still throw off the FeLV virus, so you'll need to retest in several months. I think the statistics say this happens 40% of the time. The two big things in keeping him healthy and helping him to throw the virus are his diet and keeping him stress free. Make sure he is getting a good, quality food (anything you can buy at Walmart does not count nor does Science Diet, which is what I fed mine before I joined this group; I feed mine Innova Evo now). Also, supplement his immune system by giving him L-Lysine (without propylene glycol) and Vitamin C. Others here use a few other supplements. He will have the upper hand by getting all the love that you and your husband will be giving him. I think that goes a long way in keeping any cat healthy. Please post if you have any more questions or just need an ear and good luck! :) Wendy Dallas, TX P.S. My grandma's name is Peggy, so I love that name! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Dharma update
Hi, I wanted to give you some update on Dharma she has been feline interferon almost a week now (every other day protocol) --- except that I am not sure how much I am getting it to her as every time I poke I see liquid outside of her skin, which means it went through her skin.. but I dont want to over dose her so I dont repeat it. I am so stupid (for some reason.. Dharmas skin is loser than others.. thats how it was with Naomi, too, I think.. its hard to stretch the skin to create a hole to poke sometimes) Anyway, I cannot tell accurately whether Interferon is working or making her feel sick due to my incapability to give her a shot.. anyhow,, last night I gave her one of homeopathic remedy which was suggested by this lady whom lots of people on FIP list thinks she is a nut.. but she is very intelligent.. and figure I am going to try everything if there is a chance to heal her from this deadly disease of FIP .. anyway,, I dont know exactly again if this is or not.. after I gave her this homeopathic remedy this lady suggested,, Dharma is doing GREAT she ate dry food a couple of times and she was walking around downstairs.. and she was at the TOP of the cat condo!!!.. again very subtle thing. as it does not mean she never has done this before.. but something is telling me she is feeling better since last night.. I will be continuing with interferon simultaneously.. please keep her in your prayers so that Dharma and I can beat this disease as it will take almost a miracle to make this happen! And I have a feeling that Dharma will make the miracle happen. Thank you!! Hideyo and Dharma
RE: Dharma update
Hideyo -- I'm glad you think Dharma is doing okay. Keep up the good work. As for the shots, are they supposed to be subQ and if so, are you injecting into a tent of skin that youpinch upwith your fingers? Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:51 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Dharma update Hi, I wanted to give you some update on Dharma she has been feline interferon almost a week now (every other day protocol) --- except that I am not sure how much I am getting it to her as every time I poke I see liquid outside of her skin, which means it went through her skin.. but I dont want to over dose her so I dont repeat it. I am so stupid (for some reason.. Dharmas skin is loser than others.. thats how it was with Naomi, too, I think.. its hard to stretch the skin to create a hole to poke sometimes) Anyway, I cannot tell accurately whether Interferon is working or making her feel sick due to my incapability to give her a shot.. anyhow,, last night I gave her one of homeopathic remedy which was suggested by this lady whom lots of people on FIP list thinks she is a nut.. but she is very intelligent.. and figure I am going to try everything if there is a chance to heal her from this deadly disease of FIP .. anyway,, I dont know exactly again if this is or not.. after I gave her this homeopathic remedy this lady suggested,, Dharma is doing GREAT she ate dry food a couple of times and she was walking around downstairs.. and she was at the TOP of the cat condo!!!.. again very subtle thing. as it does not mean she never has done this before.. but something is telling me she is feeling better since last night.. I will be continuing with interferon simultaneously.. please keep her in your prayers so that Dharma and I can beat this disease as it will take almost a miracle to make this happen! And I have a feeling that Dharma will make the miracle happen. Thank you!! Hideyo and Dharma This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: Dharma update
I dont think I am creating a good tent and I think thats the problem..:( she wiggles and sometimes its hard to I guess.. but I know that I cannot afford to miss it all the time..it could cost her life.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt, Diane Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Dharma update Hideyo -- I'm glad you think Dharma is doing okay. Keep up the good work. As for the shots, are they supposed to be subQ and if so, are you injecting into a tent of skin that youpinch upwith your fingers? Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Dharma update Hi, I wanted to give you some update on Dharma she has been feline interferon almost a week now (every other day protocol) --- except that I am not sure how much I am getting it to her as every time I poke I see liquid outside of her skin, which means it went through her skin.. but I dont want to over dose her so I dont repeat it. I am so stupid (for some reason.. Dharmas skin is loser than others.. thats how it was with Naomi, too, I think.. its hard to stretch the skin to create a hole to poke sometimes) Anyway, I cannot tell accurately whether Interferon is working or making her feel sick due to my incapability to give her a shot.. anyhow,, last night I gave her one of homeopathic remedy which was suggested by this lady whom lots of people on FIP list thinks she is a nut.. but she is very intelligent.. and figure I am going to try everything if there is a chance to heal her from this deadly disease of FIP .. anyway,, I dont know exactly again if this is or not.. after I gave her this homeopathic remedy this lady suggested,, Dharma is doing GREAT she ate dry food a couple of times and she was walking around downstairs.. and she was at the TOP of the cat condo!!!.. again very subtle thing. as it does not mean she never has done this before.. but something is telling me she is feeling better since last night.. I will be continuing with interferon simultaneously.. please keep her in your prayers so that Dharma and I can beat this disease as it will take almost a miracle to make this happen! And I have a feeling that Dharma will make the miracle happen. Thank you!! Hideyo and Dharma This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Dharma update
Congratulations to little Dharma, Hideyo! That is great news! :) Wendy --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanted to give you some update on Dharma - she has been feline interferon almost a week now (every other day protocol) --- except that I am not sure how much I am getting it to her as every time I poke I see liquid outside of her skin, which means it went through her skin.. but I don't want to over dose her so I don't repeat it. I am so stupid - (for some reason.. Dharma's skin is loser than others.. that's how it was with Naomi, too, I think.. it's hard to stretch the skin to create a hole to poke sometimes)- Anyway, I cannot tell accurately whether Interferon is working or making her feel sick due to my incapability to give her a shot.. anyhow,, last night I gave her one of homeopathic remedy which was suggested by this lady whom lots of people on FIP list thinks she is a nut.. but she is very intelligent.. and figure I am going to try everything if there is a chance to heal her from this deadly disease of FIP .. anyway,, I don't know exactly again if this is or not.. after I gave her this homeopathic remedy this lady suggested,, Dharma is doing GREAT - she ate dry food a couple of times and she was walking around downstairs.. and she was at the TOP of the cat condo!!!.. again very subtle thing. as it does not mean she never has done this before.. but something is telling me she is feeling better since last night.. I will be continuing with interferon simultaneously.. please keep her in your prayers so that Dharma and I can beat this disease as it will take almost a miracle to make this happen! And I have a feeling that Dharma will make the miracle happen. Thank you!! Hideyo and Dharma __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Need some IR data
Hello, So other than ear mites and coccidia (a worm) in Beatrix, she has been deemed healthy. These are easily treatable and as she has a week left of quarantine, will hopefully be handled by the time of introduction. Satch goes in for his chest X-ray tonight, I'll let you know the results of that. My vet did her IR/Interferon research and turned up literature that judged the IR to be ineffectual in control studies. She did online research as well and talked to internists, and again, IR was judged to not be worthwhile. The interferon mostly turned up similar results, but also some that were inconclusive, so we have agreed to at least go with the interferon. I have read such strong anecdotal evidence here that I didn't want to abandon the ImmunoRegulin avenue without first asking if any of you knew of other studies conducted that put IR ahead? Those of you whose vets have prescribed it - did you have to convince them? Had they heard of it? Without knowing which studies Darcy reviewed, I wonder if the populations tested were all immune suppressed, or general population. Could this make a difference? And then, finally, what is your response as observers of the difference IR has made to your cats to control studies disagreeing with those findings? I know that these questions may be unanswerable, Darcy is open to trying things, but it would be nice to not feel like I'm on a snipe hunt. I printed out and gave her the articles in this websites resource area already. Thank you! Leslie
Re: Smokey and food
I didn't know that you could get Innova Evo in can my vet only has it in dry. I have been getting Smokey the Fancy Feast medleys. At first he would clean his dish but now he acts like he doesn't like it. He acts fine other than his eating. I didn't know of any other foods that were good for him. I think my vet may sell Wysong I think is the name of it. I may try that. Thanks for your help. Cindy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cindy, I feed mine wet and dry Innova Evo. I also feed my geriatric kitty about a cup of cooked chicken and broth every night, which she is somewhat patiently waiting for when I get home from work, and a cup of chicken broth every morning, which she is impatiently waiting for as soon as I wake up in the morning. lol. I also feed mine as a treat the new Fancy Feast medleys, in the sea green cans. They have cool flavors like souffles and florentines. My cats LOVE them! You can get a coupon online at Fancy Feast right now. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Dharma update
Thank you, Wendy.. since the virus could cause rollercoaster effect, I am afraid of being too excited .. but why not.. I want to be able to continue to send Dharma a good energy.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Dharma update Congratulations to little Dharma, Hideyo! That is great news! :) Wendy --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanted to give you some update on Dharma - she has been feline interferon almost a week now (every other day protocol) --- except that I am not sure how much I am getting it to her as every time I poke I see liquid outside of her skin, which means it went through her skin.. but I don't want to over dose her so I don't repeat it. I am so stupid - (for some reason.. Dharma's skin is loser than others.. that's how it was with Naomi, too, I think.. it's hard to stretch the skin to create a hole to poke sometimes)- Anyway, I cannot tell accurately whether Interferon is working or making her feel sick due to my incapability to give her a shot.. anyhow,, last night I gave her one of homeopathic remedy which was suggested by this lady whom lots of people on FIP list thinks she is a nut.. but she is very intelligent.. and figure I am going to try everything if there is a chance to heal her from this deadly disease of FIP .. anyway,, I don't know exactly again if this is or not.. after I gave her this homeopathic remedy this lady suggested,, Dharma is doing GREAT - she ate dry food a couple of times and she was walking around downstairs.. and she was at the TOP of the cat condo!!!.. again very subtle thing. as it does not mean she never has done this before.. but something is telling me she is feeling better since last night.. I will be continuing with interferon simultaneously.. please keep her in your prayers so that Dharma and I can beat this disease as it will take almost a miracle to make this happen! And I have a feeling that Dharma will make the miracle happen. Thank you!! Hideyo and Dharma __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Need some IR data
I used the immuno regulin because my Smokey was getting high fevers and nothing else helped. The vet would be succesfull getting his temp. down only for it to go up again in a few days. Since I started using the immuno regulin he hasn't had any fevers. I started using it back in Feb. or March of this year. I had read about immuno regulin on this list and asked my vet about it. She didn't have a problem with giving it to him. I know it says to give IV but my vet has me give Smokey the injections subq. I don't know about all the research on it but I do know that for the problem Smokey was having it has helped. Cindy Reasoner --- Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, So other than ear mites and coccidia (a worm) in Beatrix, she has been deemed healthy. These are easily treatable and as she has a week left of quarantine, will hopefully be handled by the time of introduction. Satch goes in for his chest X-ray tonight, I'll let you know the results of that. My vet did her IR/Interferon research and turned up literature that judged the IR to be ineffectual in control studies. She did online research as well and talked to internists, and again, IR was judged to not be worthwhile. The interferon mostly turned up similar results, but also some that were inconclusive, so we have agreed to at least go with the interferon. I have read such strong anecdotal evidence here that I didn't want to abandon the ImmunoRegulin avenue without first asking if any of you knew of other studies conducted that put IR ahead? Those of you whose vets have prescribed it - did you have to convince them? Had they heard of it? Without knowing which studies Darcy reviewed, I wonder if the populations tested were all immune suppressed, or general population. Could this make a difference? And then, finally, what is your response as observers of the difference IR has made to your cats to control studies disagreeing with those findings? I know that these questions may be unanswerable, Darcy is open to trying things, but it would be nice to not feel like I'm on a snipe hunt. I printed out and gave her the articles in this websites resource area already. Thank you! Leslie __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Dharma update
I am so glad to hear Dharma seems to be feeling better. I know what you mean about the injections. Sometimes I have a really hard time with Smokey. Cindy Reasoner --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanted to give you some update on Dharma - she has been feline interferon almost a week now (every other day protocol) --- except that I am not sure how much I am getting it to her as every time I poke I see liquid outside of her skin, which means it went through her skin.. but I don't want to over dose her so I don't repeat it. I am so stupid - (for some reason.. Dharma's skin is loser than others.. that's how it was with Naomi, too, I think.. it's hard to stretch the skin to create a hole to poke sometimes)- Anyway, I cannot tell accurately whether Interferon is working or making her feel sick due to my incapability to give her a shot.. anyhow,, last night I gave her one of homeopathic remedy which was suggested by this lady whom lots of people on FIP list thinks she is a nut.. but she is very intelligent.. and figure I am going to try everything if there is a chance to heal her from this deadly disease of FIP .. anyway,, I don't know exactly again if this is or not.. after I gave her this homeopathic remedy this lady suggested,, Dharma is doing GREAT - she ate dry food a couple of times and she was walking around downstairs.. and she was at the TOP of the cat condo!!!.. again very subtle thing. as it does not mean she never has done this before.. but something is telling me she is feeling better since last night.. I will be continuing with interferon simultaneously.. please keep her in your prayers so that Dharma and I can beat this disease as it will take almost a miracle to make this happen! And I have a feeling that Dharma will make the miracle happen. Thank you!! Hideyo and Dharma __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Smokey and food
Wysong is supposed to be good too. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that you could get Innova Evo in can my vet only has it in dry. I have been getting Smokey the Fancy Feast medleys. At first he would clean his dish but now he acts like he doesn't like it. He acts fine other than his eating. I didn't know of any other foods that were good for him. I think my vet may sell Wysong I think is the name of it. I may try that. Thanks for your help. Cindy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cindy, I feed mine wet and dry Innova Evo. I also feed my geriatric kitty about a cup of cooked chicken and broth every night, which she is somewhat patiently waiting for when I get home from work, and a cup of chicken broth every morning, which she is impatiently waiting for as soon as I wake up in the morning. lol. I also feed mine as a treat the new Fancy Feast medleys, in the sea green cans. They have cool flavors like souffles and florentines. My cats LOVE them! You can get a coupon online at Fancy Feast right now. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Need some IR data
I had to convince my vet to use IR with my sick kitty who was very anemic. He ended up getting two injections, IV, before he passed. I think he was too sick for the IR to help. My vet didn't know anything about it. So I can't say for sure either way, but it did not help my Cricket, but then again, it might have been too late, as he was given the IR just a week or so before he died. I think a lot of people definitely feel that Interferon has helped their cats though. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Need some IR data
Thank you, Cindy, it's much appreciated! Leslie From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Need some IR data I used the immuno regulin because my Smokey wasgetting high fevers and nothing else helped.The vet would be succesfull getting his temp. down only for itto go up again in a few days.Since I started usingthe immuno regulin he hasn't had any fevers.Istarted using it back in Feb. or March of this year. I had read about immuno regulin on this list and askedmy vet about it.She didn't have a problem withgiving it to him.I know it says to give IV but myvet has me give Smokey the injections subq.I don't know about all the research on it but I do know thatfor the problem Smokey was having it has helped.Cindy Reasoner
Re: Smokey
Cindy, I totally understand. I am so sensitive to eating habits, because to me it's the first sign of bigger things. My Satch has not approached his food with the gusto that he did before he got this cold. He's fine- he eats, but it's over a longer period and he'll leave a bite in the bowl, where before, no way. He'd stop and eat bits of dirt, buttons, spots on the carpet on the way to his bowl for breakfast and dinner, inhale it, lick it clean to make sure, inspect the area around the bowl, and try to eat everything nailed down and not on his way back to me to tell me that he could handle a helping of seconds. This cat would have been rounder than he is long if given his druthers. So now, even though he's eating okay - it's not his normal and I don't like it. I'm hoping that with the identification and treatment of the cough source that my ravenous beast will be plaguing me again. Anyway, Wysong is good, Solid Gold, Felidae, Innova Evo (which just came out with the wet food a few months ago), Max Cat, Merrill - these are all good foods and I'm sure that there are more. Fancy Feast actually isn't a bad one either. Satch loves his Innova kibble first, used to love my raw food (now leaves some uneaten) second, and then last is canned food. He always has gone in strong, but loses taste for it. So your Smokey could be the same. Only using it as a back up and then variety is my tactic. Raw or cooked chicken (depending on your comfort level) is usually a favorite with most cats (I usually cut off a bit of whatever meat I'm making for myself if there aren't spices involved to give to Satch). Good luck, they can be so picky. Leslie From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Smokey Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow allof the post because work has been very busy.I hopeeveryone's babies are doing fine.I had a questionabout Smokey.The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good.He nibbles but that isabout it.I had been feeding him EVO and can food.Ihave tried different foods.I gave him some PurinaCat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything.I am not sure how good that food is forhim. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet toget an injection of Winstrol to see if that mighthelp.He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we hadfor supper and he ate all of that.What kind of fooddo any of you use?He had a cbc done about 2 weeksago and the vet said it looked really good.I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advicewould be great.Cindy Reasoner
Re: Smokey and food
How do you get your cats to eat that stuff?! Mine turn their noses up as if I've put sprouts in front of them! On 9/21/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wysong is supposed to be good too.:)Wendy--- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that you could get Innova Evo in can my vet only has it in dry.I have been getting Smokey the Fancy Feast medleys.At first he would clean his dish but now he acts like he doesn't like it.He acts fine other than his eating.I didn't know of any other foods that were good for him.I think my vet may sell Wysong I think is the name of it.I may try that.Thanks for your help. Cindy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cindy, I feed mine wet and dry Innova Evo.I also feed my geriatric kitty about a cup of cooked chicken and broth every night, which she is somewhat patiently waiting for when I get home from work, and a cup of chicken broth every morning, which she is impatiently waiting for as soon as I wake up in the morning. lol. I also feed mine as a treat the new Fancy Feast medleys, in the sea green cans.They have cool flavors like souffles and florentines.My cats LOVE them!You can get a coupon online at Fancy Feast right now. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy.I hope everyone's babies are doing fine.I had a question about Smokey.The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good.He nibbles but that is about it.I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods.I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything.I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help.He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that.What kind of food do any of you use?He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good.I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com__ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com__ Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.com-- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Smokey and food
Mine don't eat it; mine eat Evo. I just know others here have fed it to their furbabies, and it's supposed to be good quality food. :) Wendy --- Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *How do you get your cats to eat that stuff?! Mine turn their noses up as if I've put sprouts in front of them! * On 9/21/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wysong is supposed to be good too. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that you could get Innova Evo in can my vet only has it in dry. I have been getting Smokey the Fancy Feast medleys. At first he would clean his dish but now he acts like he doesn't like it. He acts fine other than his eating. I didn't know of any other foods that were good for him. I think my vet may sell Wysong I think is the name of it. I may try that. Thanks for your help. Cindy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cindy, I feed mine wet and dry Innova Evo. I also feed my geriatric kitty about a cup of cooked chicken and broth every night, which she is somewhat patiently waiting for when I get home from work, and a cup of chicken broth every morning, which she is impatiently waiting for as soon as I wake up in the morning. lol. I also feed mine as a treat the new Fancy Feast medleys, in the sea green cans. They have cool flavors like souffles and florentines. My cats LOVE them! You can get a coupon online at Fancy Feast right now. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Smokey
My Sister had two dogs, but I would think this would apply equally to cats. If a cat/dog can't smell it's food, it probably won't eat it. Therefore, if your cat/dog has a cold/stuffed nose or allergies with stuffiness, there's always a possibly of a decline in the interest of food. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/21/06 1:05:13 PM Cindy, I totally understand. I am so sensitive to eating habits, because to me it's the first sign of bigger things. My Satch has not approached his food with the gusto that he did before he got this cold. He's fine - he eats, but it's over a longer period and he'll leave a bite in the bowl, where before, no way. He'd stop and eat bits of dirt, buttons, spots on the carpet on the way to his bowl for breakfast and dinner, inhale it, lick it clean to make sure, inspect the area around the bowl, and try to eat everything nailed down and not on his way back to me to tell me that he could handle a helping of seconds. This cat would have been rounder than he is long if given his druthers. So now, even though he's eating okay - it's not his normal and I don't like it. I'm hoping that with the identification and treatment of the cough source that my ravenous beast will be plaguing me again. Anyway, Wysong is good, Solid Gold, Felidae, Innova Evo (which just came out with the wet food a few months ago), Max Cat, Merrill - these are all good foods and I'm sure that there are more. Fancy Feast actually isn't a bad one either. Satch loves his Innova kibble first, used to love my raw food (now leaves some uneaten) second, and then last is canned food. He always has gone in strong, but loses taste for it. So your Smokey could be the same. Only using it as a back up and then variety is my tactic. Raw or cooked chicken (depending on your comfort level) is usually a favorite with most cats (I usually cut off a bit of whatever meat I'm making for myself if there aren't spices involved to give to Satch). Good luck, they can be so picky. Leslie From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Smokey Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
Re: Smokey and food
This seems to be a problem. My three cats will eat Fancy Feast - but only certain limited flavors. They really don't care for the new Medleys. They don't care for Friskie's or Iams. I bought $150 worth of Wellness canned food in all of the flavors and they really aren't interested. So they probably won't like Wysong or the EVO. And when you open a can and have to throw the plateful away, it's very wasteful and expensive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/21/06 1:06:47 PM *How do you get your cats to eat that stuff?! Mine turn their noses up as if I've put sprouts in front of them! * On 9/21/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wysong is supposed to be good too. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that you could get Innova Evo in can my vet only has it in dry. I have been getting Smokey the Fancy Feast medleys. At first he would clean his dish but now he acts like he doesn't like it. He acts fine other than his eating. I didn't know of any other foods that were good for him. I think my vet may sell Wysong I think is the name of it. I may try that. Thanks for your help. Cindy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cindy, I feed mine wet and dry Innova Evo. I also feed my geriatric kitty about a cup of cooked chicken and broth every night, which she is somewhat patiently waiting for when I get home from work, and a cup of chicken broth every morning, which she is impatiently waiting for as soon as I wake up in the morning. lol. I also feed mine as a treat the new Fancy Feast medleys, in the sea green cans. They have cool flavors like souffles and florentines. My cats LOVE them! You can get a coupon online at Fancy Feast right now. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
Re: Smokey and food
What are the votes on Wellness canned??? My little fussies don't like it. I bought every flavor - I wonder if they don't like the texture, as it seems creamier than Fancy Feast. They will eat the Wellness dry, though, so they're at least getting some very nutritious into their systems. I want them to have good quality food, no matter the cost, but they seem to like Fancy Feast roasted chicken, chunky chicken, fish shrimp and beef and chicken. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/21/06 1:08:11 PM Mine don't eat it; mine eat Evo. I just know others here have fed it to their furbabies, and it's supposed to be good quality food. :) Wendy --- Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *How do you get your cats to eat that stuff?! Mine turn their noses up as if I've put sprouts in front of them! * On 9/21/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wysong is supposed to be good too. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that you could get Innova Evo in can my vet only has it in dry. I have been getting Smokey the Fancy Feast medleys. At first he would clean his dish but now he acts like he doesn't like it. He acts fine other than his eating. I didn't know of any other foods that were good for him. I think my vet may sell Wysong I think is the name of it. I may try that. Thanks for your help. Cindy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cindy, I feed mine wet and dry Innova Evo. I also feed my geriatric kitty about a cup of cooked chicken and broth every night, which she is somewhat patiently waiting for when I get home from work, and a cup of chicken broth every morning, which she is impatiently waiting for as soon as I wake up in the morning. lol. I also feed mine as a treat the new Fancy Feast medleys, in the sea green cans. They have cool flavors like souffles and florentines. My cats LOVE them! You can get a coupon online at Fancy Feast right now. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this
Re: Dharma - licking glass
Hideyo, I do know that Pica is the word for an animal that licks things that they don't normally lick, like anemic kitties licking cement or their litter. And Pica is a symptom of anemia. I don't know if glass would fall into that category, but it sounds like it might. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Smokey and food
You can get Innova EVO canned at www.petdirect.com.Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you get your cats to eat that stuff?! Mine turn their noses up as if I've put sprouts in front of them! On 9/21/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wysong is supposed to be good too.:)Wendy--- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that you could get Innova Evo in can my vet only has it in dry.I have been getting Smokey the Fancy Feast medleys.At first he would clean his dish but now he acts like he doesn't like it.He acts fine other than his eating.I didn't know of any other foods that were good for him.I think my vet may sell Wysong I think is the name of it.I may try that.Thanks for your help. Cindy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cindy, I feed mine wet and dry Innova Evo.I also feed my geriatric kitty about a cup of cooked chicken and broth every night, which she is somewhat patiently waiting for when I get home from work, and a cup of chicken broth every morning, which she is impatiently waiting for as soon as I wake up in the morning. lol. I also feed mine as a treat the new Fancy Feast medleys, in the sea green cans.They have cool flavors like souffles and florentines.My cats LOVE them!You can get a coupon online at Fancy Feast right now.:) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy.I hope everyone's babies are doing fine.I had a question about Smokey.The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good.He nibbles but that is about it.I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods.I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything.I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help.He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that.What kind of food do any of you use?He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good.I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com__ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com__ Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.com-- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: Hello / intro / new subscriber
Hi Andrew, Thank you for not putting those furbabies to sleep! Good decision! As far as mixing goes, I unknowingly mixed my FeLV+ with three other negs for about four years, and even though I have lost my +, the other negs are still neg. Those four kittens may very well 'throw' the virus, and begin testing negative. You can retest in 6 months or so and see what happens. In the meantime, give them a good quality food like Evo and keep them stress free. Give them immune system supplements like L-lysine (without propylene glycol) and Vitamin C, which will help them fight off the virus. I think the statistics say there is a 40% chance they will throw the virus, at which point you can adopt them out. You may not want to put them with PC. Kittens are more susceptible to illness and since enough is not known about this virus, we don't know if there are different strains, etc. Hope this helps and if you have any questions, just ask! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Smokey
Thanks. I called my vet and they sell Innova and California Natural. They don't have the EVO or California Natural in can though. Smokey has always seemed to like the wet food the best. I guess I could order the canned food over the internet. Cindy --- Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cindy, I totally understand. I am so sensitive to eating habits, because to me it's the first sign of bigger things. My Satch has not approached his food with the gusto that he did before he got this cold. He's fine - he eats, but it's over a longer period and he'll leave a bite in the bowl, where before, no way. He'd stop and eat bits of dirt, buttons, spots on the carpet on the way to his bowl for breakfast and dinner, inhale it, lick it clean to make sure, inspect the area around the bowl, and try to eat everything nailed down and not on his way back to me to tell me that he could handle a helping of seconds. This cat would have been rounder than he is long if given his druthers. So now, even though he's eating okay - it's not his normal and I don't like it. I'm hoping that with the identification and treatment of the cough source that my ravenous beast will be plaguing me again. Anyway, Wysong is good, Solid Gold, Felidae, Innova Evo (which just came out with the wet food a few months ago), Max Cat, Merrill - these are all good foods and I'm sure that there are more. Fancy Feast actually isn't a bad one either. Satch loves his Innova kibble first, used to love my raw food (now leaves some uneaten) second, and then last is canned food. He always has gone in strong, but loses taste for it. So your Smokey could be the same. Only using it as a back up and then variety is my tactic. Raw or cooked chicken (depending on your comfort level) is usually a favorite with most cats (I usually cut off a bit of whatever meat I'm making for myself if there aren't spices involved to give to Satch). Good luck, they can be so picky. Leslie From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Smokey Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Need some IR data
I got an emergency vet to give it to Ginger without any argument, but I brought a vial of it with me. My sense is that it really works well for URI's, but may not help as much with anemia as the anecdotal evidence in the article on our web page suggests. Personally for non-lymphoma anemia, I would try Acemannan first, at this point, based on what others on the list have found in terms of it helping. But for URI's I remain convinced that I-R is very effective, from my own experience with using it for two cats and with the reports of others on the list. Michelle In a message dated 9/21/2006 1:15:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those of you whose vets have prescribed it - did you have to convince them? Had they heard of it? Without knowing which studies Darcy reviewed, I wonder if the populations tested were all immune suppressed, or general population. Could this make a difference? And then, finally, what is your response as observers of the difference IR has made to your cats to control studies disagreeing with those findings?
Re: Smokey
You can go on their website and type in your zip code and it will give you a list of dealers in your area. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I called my vet and they sell Innova and California Natural. They don't have the EVO or California Natural in can though. Smokey has always seemed to like the wet food the best. I guess I could order the canned food over the internet. Cindy --- Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cindy, I totally understand. I am so sensitive to eating habits, because to me it's the first sign of bigger things. My Satch has not approached his food with the gusto that he did before he got this cold. He's fine - he eats, but it's over a longer period and he'll leave a bite in the bowl, where before, no way. He'd stop and eat bits of dirt, buttons, spots on the carpet on the way to his bowl for breakfast and dinner, inhale it, lick it clean to make sure, inspect the area around the bowl, and try to eat everything nailed down and not on his way back to me to tell me that he could handle a helping of seconds. This cat would have been rounder than he is long if given his druthers. So now, even though he's eating okay - it's not his normal and I don't like it. I'm hoping that with the identification and treatment of the cough source that my ravenous beast will be plaguing me again. Anyway, Wysong is good, Solid Gold, Felidae, Innova Evo (which just came out with the wet food a few months ago), Max Cat, Merrill - these are all good foods and I'm sure that there are more. Fancy Feast actually isn't a bad one either. Satch loves his Innova kibble first, used to love my raw food (now leaves some uneaten) second, and then last is canned food. He always has gone in strong, but loses taste for it. So your Smokey could be the same. Only using it as a back up and then variety is my tactic. Raw or cooked chicken (depending on your comfort level) is usually a favorite with most cats (I usually cut off a bit of whatever meat I'm making for myself if there aren't spices involved to give to Satch). Good luck, they can be so picky. Leslie From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Smokey Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Smokey and food
I know if one of my cats aren't eating off I go to the store to buy every variety of food they sell. It gets very expensive. After I feed Smokey I will give him about an hour. If he hasn't touched his food here I go with a smorgasbord for him. I know he probably thinks I am crazy. Cindy --- Susan Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems to be a problem. My three cats will eat Fancy Feast - but only certain limited flavors. They really don't care for the new Medleys. They don't care for Friskie's or Iams. I bought $150 worth of Wellness canned food in all of the flavors and they really aren't interested. So they probably won't like Wysong or the EVO. And when you open a can and have to throw the plateful away, it's very wasteful and expensive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/21/06 1:06:47 PM *How do you get your cats to eat that stuff?! Mine turn their noses up as if I've put sprouts in front of them! * On 9/21/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wysong is supposed to be good too. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that you could get Innova Evo in can my vet only has it in dry. I have been getting Smokey the Fancy Feast medleys. At first he would clean his dish but now he acts like he doesn't like it. He acts fine other than his eating. I didn't know of any other foods that were good for him. I think my vet may sell Wysong I think is the name of it. I may try that. Thanks for your help. Cindy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cindy, I feed mine wet and dry Innova Evo. I also feed my geriatric kitty about a cup of cooked chicken and broth every night, which she is somewhat patiently waiting for when I get home from work, and a cup of chicken broth every morning, which she is impatiently waiting for as soon as I wake up in the morning. lol. I also feed mine as a treat the new Fancy Feast medleys, in the sea green cans. They have cool flavors like souffles and florentines. My cats LOVE them! You can get a coupon online at Fancy Feast right now. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Minnion has gone to the Bridge
My sisters 5 month old kitten has passed away. Minnion was a sweet fiesty girl and then started to not eat a lot. She was neg for FIV and FELV. We took her to the vet and by the time we got there she was almost gone. He gave he some meds and in less then 2 mins she was gone. I felt so good to be with her in her last moments. She was suffering and now she is not. I firmly believe everything happens for a reason. I have learned that I CAN NOT get another FELV infected kitten at this time. My son has been a wreck all day and wont eat. He is just crying for Minion. Minion was the runt of the bunch. She came from a barn cat. I did read him the Rainbow Bridge again and he still was upset. My mom cried to as how beautiful it was. Now Minion is playing with Pokies and all your babies. Hope all is good with everyone:) kayte and Crackers
Re: Smokey and food
No.Smokey is probably thinking how well he's trained you! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/21/06 1:56:59 PM I know if one of my cats aren't eating off I go to the store to buy every variety of food they sell. It gets very expensive. After I feed Smokey I will give him about an hour. If he hasn't touched his food here I go with a smorgasbord for him. I know he probably thinks I am crazy. Cindy --- Susan Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems to be a problem. My three cats will eat Fancy Feast - but only certain limited flavors. They really don't care for the new Medleys. They don't care for Friskie's or Iams. I bought $150 worth of Wellness canned food in all of the flavors and they really aren't interested. So they probably won't like Wysong or the EVO. And when you open a can and have to throw the plateful away, it's very wasteful and expensive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/21/06 1:06:47 PM *How do you get your cats to eat that stuff?! Mine turn their noses up as if I've put sprouts in front of them! * On 9/21/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wysong is supposed to be good too. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that you could get Innova Evo in can my vet only has it in dry. I have been getting Smokey the Fancy Feast medleys. At first he would clean his dish but now he acts like he doesn't like it. He acts fine other than his eating. I didn't know of any other foods that were good for him. I think my vet may sell Wysong I think is the name of it. I may try that. Thanks for your help. Cindy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cindy, I feed mine wet and dry Innova Evo. I also feed my geriatric kitty about a cup of cooked chicken and broth every night, which she is somewhat patiently waiting for when I get home from work, and a cup of chicken broth every morning, which she is impatiently waiting for as soon as I wake up in the morning. lol. I also feed mine as a treat the new Fancy Feast medleys, in the sea green cans. They have cool flavors like souffles and florentines. My cats LOVE them! You can get a coupon online at Fancy Feast right now. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to
Re: Minnion has gone to the Bridge
I am so sorry. As someone who has watched 4 positive cats die, I think that adopting multiple positives is a really hard thing to do. My partner has made me promise I will not do it anymore. So I understand your decision regarding your son. Michelle
RE: Minnion has gone to the Bridge
Oh, dear, that is so sad. Deepest condolences to your sister, your son and you, and gentlest of Bridge vibes to this little girl.I like to think that when they die so young, they're given a second chance. When she does, I hope she comes back to your sis. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:04 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Minnion has gone to the Bridge My sisters 5 month old kitten has passed away. Minnion was a sweet fiesty girl and then started to not eat a lot. She was neg for FIV and FELV. We took her to the vet and by the time we got there she was almost gone. He gave he some meds and in less then 2 mins she was gone. I felt so good to be with her in her last moments. She was suffering and now she is not. I firmly believe everything happens for a reason. I have learned that I CAN NOT get another FELV infected kitten at this time. My son has been a wreck all day and wont eat. He is just crying for Minion. Minion was the runt of the bunch. She came from a barn cat. I did read him the Rainbow Bridge again and he still was upset. My mom cried to as how beautiful it was. Now Minion is playing with Pokies and all your babies. Hope all is good with everyone:) kayte and Crackers This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Partners' reactions to FeLV+
Michelle brings up a good point that I have been wondering about lately. My boyfriend has gone through two FeLV+ losses with me. We do not live together and these are definitely MY cats, but he is supportive and comforting and mourns himself when the time has come to say goodbye. However, after the kitten, Azrael, passed (I had her for four days and many tears, and vet bills) and I was debating getting Beatrix, I could tell that his ability to empathize was waning. We have discussions about the sanity of adopting leukemia positive cats versus maintaining his 1979 Corvette. In my opinion, one of those things is ridiculous and the other worthy. He has the same opinion, but I suppose you can guess that what we select for each categoryis not the same. Anyway, our bottom line is that if I want to, it's my decision and he will support me, but it is hard to not have enthusiastic support. I was wondering what the other people in your life feel about the positive cats in their homes. As Nina's husband can attest, just because you may not have been the one to open your doors to them, doesn't mean that you won't have to personally adjust to the consequences thereof - and to be fair, those consequences can just as easily be good. Speaking of Nina, how is Spencer? I hope that your silence is not indicative of anything. Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Minnion has gone to the Bridge I am so sorry.As someone who has watched 4 positive cats die, Ithink thatadopting multiple positives is a really hard thing to do.Mypartner hasmade me promise I will not do it anymore. So I understand yourdecision regarding your son.Michelle
Re: Partners' reactions to FeLV+
Leslie, We have both FIV and FeLV (not together) and my husband is very supportive. The way we look at it is thatthey arelives... and every life is worth saving. I would not trade one single moment with one of the wonderfulcats or kittens we have lost over the years for the pain we sufferedwhen we lostthem (and believe me, the pain was horrid). We love all of them unconditionally. Unfortunately there are not as many of us who are willing to take on the FeLV or FIV kitties... and as you know, they are generally the most special cats. You may get a shorter time with them... but you are sure to get one of the most special cats you'll ever know... Just my 2 cents worth Leslie =^..^= On 9/21/06, Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle brings up a good point that I have been wondering about lately. My boyfriend has gone through two FeLV+ losses with me. We do not live together and these are definitely MY cats, but he is supportive and comforting and mourns himself when the time has come to say goodbye. However, after the kitten, Azrael, passed (I had her for four days and many tears, and vet bills) and I was debating getting Beatrix, I could tell that his ability to empathize was waning. We have discussions about the sanity of adopting leukemia positive cats versus maintaining his 1979 Corvette. In my opinion, one of those things is ridiculous and the other worthy. He has the same opinion, but I suppose you can guess that what we select for each categoryis not the same. Anyway, our bottom line is that if I want to, it's my decision and he will support me, but it is hard to not have enthusiastic support. I was wondering what the other people in your life feel about the positive cats in their homes. As Nina's husband can attest, just because you may not have been the one to open your doors to them, doesn't mean that you won't have to personally adjust to the consequences thereof - and to be fair, those consequences can just as easily be good. Speaking of Nina, how is Spencer? I hope that your silence is not indicative of anything. Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Minnion has gone to the Bridge I am so sorry.As someone who has watched 4 positive cats die, Ithink thatadopting multiple positives is a really hard thing to do.Mypartner has made me promise I will not do it anymore. So I understand yourdecision regarding your son.Michelle-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Partners' reactions to FeLV+
My husband thinks we have to many cats (8) although Smokey is the only one Felv+. When I found Smokey outside last November I told him that Smokey could be my Christmas present. He wouldn't admit it but he loves all of them. I did promise him that I wouldn't get anymore pets for now. I know financially it is hard caring for 8 cats, 2 dogs and a cockatiel. I also worry about if all of them are getting the attention they need from me. I know when any of our pets have passed away my husband has been upset too. Cindy --- Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle brings up a good point that I have been wondering about lately. My boyfriend has gone through two FeLV+ losses with me. We do not live together and these are definitely MY cats, but he is supportive and comforting and mourns himself when the time has come to say goodbye. However, after the kitten, Azrael, passed (I had her for four days and many tears, and vet bills) and I was debating getting Beatrix, I could tell that his ability to empathize was waning. We have discussions about the sanity of adopting leukemia positive cats versus maintaining his 1979 Corvette. In my opinion, one of those things is ridiculous and the other worthy. He has the same opinion, but I suppose you can guess that what we select for each category is not the same. Anyway, our bottom line is that if I want to, it's my decision and he will support me, but it is hard to not have enthusiastic support. I was wondering what the other people in your life feel about the positive cats in their homes. As Nina's husband can attest, just because you may not have been the one to open your doors to them, doesn't mean that you won't have to personally adjust to the consequences thereof - and to be fair, those consequences can just as easily be good. Speaking of Nina, how is Spencer? I hope that your silence is not indicative of anything. Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Minnion has gone to the Bridge I am so sorry. As someone who has watched 4 positive cats die, I think that adopting multiple positives is a really hard thing to do. My partner has made me promise I will not do it anymore. So I understand your decision regarding your son. Michelle __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Minnion has gone to the Bridge
Dear Kayte, I'm so sorry to hear about sweet little Minnion... It does feel comforting to know she is now with Pokies. And I'm sorry your son is having such a hard time - 2 losses so close together. I came across the following story a while ago - okay, it's about a little boy and his Dog, but wanted to share it with you in case you think your son might understand. (I do not know who the author is - sorry) Kat (Mew Jersey) --- Why Dogs don't Live As Long As People (Out of the mouths of Babes!) Being a veterinarian, I had been called to examine a ten-year-old Irish Wolfhound named Belker. The dog's owners; Ron, his wife, Lisa, and their little boy, Shane were all very attached to Belker and they were hoping for a miracle. I examined Belker and found he was dying of cancer. I told the family there were no miracles left for Belker, and offered to perform the euthanasia procedure for the old dog in their home. As we made arrangements, Ron and Lisa told me they thought it would be good for the four-year-old Shane to observe the procedure. They felt Shane could learn something from the experience. The next day, I felt the familiar catch in my throat as Belker's family surrounded him. Shane seemed so calm, petting the old dog for the last time, that I wondered if he understood what was going on. Within a few minutes, Belker slipped peacefully away. The little boy seemed to accept Belker's transition without any difficulty or confusion. We sat together for a while after Belker's death, wondering aloud about the sad fact that animal lives are shorter than human lives. Shane, who had been listening quietly, piped up, I know why. Startled, we all turned to him. What came out of his mouth next stunned me - I'd never heard a more comforting explanation. He said, Everybody is born so that they can learn how to live a good life - like loving everybody and being nice, right? The four-year-old continued, Well, animals already know how to do that, so they don't have to stay as long. --- My sisters 5 month old kitten has passed away. Minnion was a sweet fiesty girl and then started to not eat a lot. She was neg for FIV and FELV. We took her to the vet and by the time we got there she was almost gone. He gave he some meds and in less then 2 mins she was gone. I felt so good to be with her in her last moments. She was suffering and now she is not. I firmly believe everything happens for a reason. I have learned that I CAN NOT get another FELV infected kitten at this time. My son has been a wreck all day and wont eat. He is just crying for Minion. Minion was the runt of the bunch. She came from a barn cat. I did read him the Rainbow Bridge again and he still was upset. My mom cried to as how beautiful it was. Now Minion is playing with Pokies and all your babies. Hope all is good with everyone:) kayte and Crackers
Re: Partners' reactions to FeLV+
My husband did not really understand what I went through when I lost Cricket. Neither did my dad. A man who does is very special. We're just wired differently when it comes to this. My husband tried his best to comfort me, and do what he could to help out, but he didn't feel it the same way I did. And I certainly don't fault him for that. You and your boyfriend will have to strike that balance, especially financially if you get married. Of course, I agree with you, but I bet many men would agree with him. Thus the problem. lol. It is hard not to have enthusiastic support; I totally know what you mean. But, I settled for being happy with what my husband could give me since he did not feel the same way I did about Cricket. Even now, when I drop $100 at the vet's in one fell swoop, he just can't understand. He wants to wait a few more days to see how kitty fares as I'm running to the car with kitty in a towel. lol. Men ARE from Mars. hehe :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Welcome Beatrix!
Nice to hear some good news!tkelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:14 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote:What absolutely wonderful newsKelly Good news, good news, I have good news!My vet gave the okay yesterday on bringing a new cat home - he said that Satch wasn't contagious and prescribed another symptomatic medecine for his cough. So I ran tout suite to the humane society and brought home the first leukemia kitten (sister to Azrael) whom I've name Beatrix. I'll reattach the link to her on the humane society page, but they didn't put up a new picture and that one is probably 6 weeks old. So she's much bigger, but the description holds true. http://www.oregonhumane.org/cats/detail.asp?animalID=45154I'm keeping my paws firmly crossed that her week quarantine develops no new URI's in her and that Satch's cough goes away completely even if he's not contagious. These two are going to LOVE each other. She is everywhere and she bites my nose, just like Satch does. (hopefully, they'll begin biting each other's noses and leave mine out of it!) She's fabulous and I'm so excited. Please cross your paws that they can be introduced in a week and that nothing delays the meeting!LeslieNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006
Re: Partners' reactions to FeLV+
When I lost Maizee my boyfriend was very upset too,he was right there petting her and telling her that he loved her as the dr gave her the shot(i'm crying now).He cried too. He took herand Ito the vet for her chemo treatments and even paid for her meds and couple of her more expensive visits,like 400.00 visits,I guess I got lucky when I found him.He has helped me through 4 of my fur babies passings and was very sweet in comforting me. :)He too tried to talk me out of adopting my 3 fiv boys,but he didn't fight it too hard. :) He loves them too!! Take care Kayte and I am so sorry about Minion.Hugs to you and all your family. Sherry and da boyzwendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My husband did not really understand what I wentthrough when I lost Cricket. Neither did my dad. Aman who does is very special. We're just wireddifferently when it comes to this. My husband triedhis best to comfort me, and do what he could to helpout, but he didn't feel it the same way I did. And Icertainly don't fault him for that. You and yourboyfriend will have to strike that balance, especiallyfinancially if you get married. Of course, I agreewith you, but I bet many men would agree with him. Thus the problem. lol. It is hard not to haveenthusiastic support; I totally know what you mean. But, I settled for being happy with what my husbandcould give me since he did not feel the same way I didabout Cricket. Even now, when I drop $100 at thevet's in one fell swoop, he just can't understand. Hewants to wait a few more days to see how kitty faresas I'm running to the car with kitty in a towel. lol.Men ARE from Mars. hehe:)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.
RE: Partners' reactions to FeLV+
This is really a hard one. My housemate, Gail, and I are both the biggest softies in the world -- someone tells us a sob story about a feral in a trailer park with autumn approaching, or another trailer park guy who doesn't seem as adaptable as the other strays there, and we're making room at the inn! And then there was Patches, who found us. Gail tends to be a little more practical than I am. We both say we can't handle another cat, but she's the one who believes it -- even while buying a toy for the new arrival. Unfortunately, and I hate this as I know everyone here does, there IS a financial bottom line to think of, and a time commitment bottom line to think of, and a sheer logistics bottom line to think of. We've nursed our share of sick kitties, and the demands have been utterly draining in every respect. Missy and the late Phoebe somehow ingested some unknown neurotoxin 2 months after we moved to this house and zapped their livers royally, and the two of us sat in their sickroom (ironically, the move that resulted in them getting sick also provided a spare room to be a sickroom), squirting A/D, subQ fluids and various meds down them for nearly 2 months, and it nearly drove us nuts. It wasn't a one-person job, so we each had to get up considerably earlier in the morning to do a session before work, and interrupt our evening for another, and although we had the satisfaction of having pulled them through, we were exhausted by the time we were done. Similarly, a co-worker of Gail's had a cat, spayed female she said, that she couldn't take with her when she moved. Beautiful cat, but turned out to be male, and diabetic. We spent a lot of time and money getting him regulated on his insulin, only to lose him one hurried morning when we didn't think to make sure he got some food after his shot. Gail bears the scars of this because she was the one who decided to close the upstairs door (this used to be a duplex) so that the big guys wouldn't trample her old Kitty, who had gone blind and who stayed up there where Gail sleeps and computes. The upstairs bowl was Wesley's food source when the more dominant guys commandeered the other one, and suddenly he couldn't get to it. Something like this just never occurred to us, it was just freakishly bad luck. You all know how Patches came to us, and how he stopped eating. This time, Gail was working 2nd shift and I'm 1st, so the two of us weren't home at the same time to feed him more than twice a day, and he needed more, and better. And then there was Luc, our heart-kitty, and his hepatic lipidosis and the intubation and overnight stay at the emergency vet that pretty much demolished my savings, which was proceeds from my mom's life insurance and which we had allocated to build a deck in her memory (this sounds like a no-brainer, but she never got to see our place but wanted to get us stuff to make it nice). We decided that since she had loved Luc, she would be happy that her money helped save his life. But we also knew, and hated ourselves for knowing, that if it had been any of the others besides Luc, or if it was something less treatable than the lipidosis, we might have had to make a hard decision about spending the money. What it boils down to is, I don't think, given a choice, that either of us would knowingly take in a cat like Wes, or Patches, with the financial, emotional and physical burden that they inevitably bring, simply because we don't have enough of any of those resources. But having taken them in, neither of us will desert them. Frankly, I don't know how we would have been able to do right by Patches, if he had lived longer, with the high-end food, the supplements, the meds, the vet bills. If we were richer, less frazzled and busy, had more resources, we would probably take in another unadoptable; as it is, once our numbers dwindle a bit, I would be willing to take an otherwise healthy HIV+ kitty and could probably talk Gail into it as well. But I think we can be pardoned for wishing, just once, in the back of our minds, for a perfect, healthy, beautiful, snuggly, bouncy little kitten with NO baggage. (Oh, and Gail wants a dachshund...) ;-) Diane --- Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle brings up a good point that I have been wondering about lately. My boyfriend has gone through two FeLV+ losses with me. We do not live together and these are definitely MY cats, but he is supportive and comforting and mourns himself when the time has come to say goodbye. However, after the kitten, Azrael, passed (I had her for four days and many tears, and vet bills) and I was debating getting Beatrix, I could tell that his ability to empathize was waning. We have discussions about the sanity of adopting leukemia positive cats versus maintaining his 1979 Corvette. In my opinion, one of those things is ridiculous and the other worthy. He has the same opinion, but I suppose you can guess that what we select for
Re: Partners' reactions to FeLV+
At 12:43 PM 9/21/2006, you wrote: My husband grumbles about the numbers but has helped build new quarters for this FELV cat now with us,,He know I would not have it any other way, I do not turn of his NASCAR eirther Kelly Michelle brings up a good point that I have been wondering about lately. My boyfriend has gone through two FeLV+ losses with me. We do not live together and these are definitely MY cats, but he is supportive and comforting and mourns himself when the time has come to say goodbye. However, after the kitten, Azrael, passed (I had her for four days and many tears, and vet bills) and I was debating getting Beatrix, I could tell that his ability to empathize was waning. We have discussions about the sanity of adopting leukemia positive cats versus maintaining his 1979 Corvette. In my opinion, one of those things is ridiculous and the other worthy. He has the same opinion, but I suppose you can guess that what we select for each category is not the same. Anyway, our bottom line is that if I want to, it's my decision and he will support me, but it is hard to not have enthusiastic support. I was wondering what the other people in your life feel about the positive cats in their homes. As Nina's husband can attest, just because you may not have been the one to open your doors to them, doesn't mean that you won't have to personally adjust to the consequences thereof - and to be fair, those consequences can just as easily be good. Speaking of Nina, how is Spencer? I hope that your silence is not indicative of anything. Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Minnion has gone to the Bridge I am so sorry. As someone who has watched 4 positive cats die, I think that adopting multiple positives is a really hard thing to do. My partner has made me promise I will not do it anymore. So I understand your decision regarding your son. Michelle No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.6/453 - Release Date: 9/20/2006
Re: Partners' reactions to FeLV+
Guess Mike is a keeper, for the most part he never asks how much anything concerning the cats cost, I take care of the money and as long as there aren't any turn off notices coming in he couldn't care less. In fact this month we'll be broke by Saturday (Joey Ultrasound will suck up the last of the bank account), so it's time to get creative with dinner next week :) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Minnion has gone to the Bridge
I am so sorry. elizabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 2:03 PM Subject: Minnion has gone to the Bridge My sisters 5 month old kitten has passed away. Minnion was a sweet fiesty girl and then started to not eat a lot. She was neg for FIV and FELV. We took her to the vet and by the time we got there she was almost gone. He gave he some meds and in less then 2 mins she was gone. I felt so good to be with her in her last moments. She was suffering and now she is not. I firmly believe everything happens for a reason. I have learned that I CAN NOT get another FELV infected kitten at this time. My son has been a wreck all day and wont eat. He is just crying for Minion. Minion was the runt of the bunch. She came from a barn cat. I did read him the Rainbow Bridge again and he still was upset. My mom cried to as how beautiful it was. Now Minion is playing with Pokies and all your babies. Hope all is good with everyone:) kayte and Crackers Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Partners' reactions to FeLV+
"$100 in one fell swoop" I am THRILLED if I can get out for under $200!!wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My husband did not really understand what I wentthrough when I lost Cricket. Neither did my dad. Aman who does is very special. We're just wireddifferently when it comes to this. My husband triedhis best to comfort me, and do what he could to helpout, but he didn't feel it the same way I did. And Icertainly don't fault him for that. You and yourboyfriend will have to strike that balance, especiallyfinancially if you get married. Of course, I agreewith you, but I bet many men would agree with him. Thus the problem. lol. It is hard not to haveenthusiastic support; I totally know what you mean. But, I settled for being happy with what my husbandcould give me since he did not feel the same way I didabout Cricket. Even now, when I drop $100 at thevet's in one fell swoop, he just can't understand. Hewants to wait a few more days to see how kitty faresas I'm running to the car with kitty in a towel. lol.Men ARE from Mars. hehe:)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.
Re: Minnion has gone to the Bridge
Kayte, I'm sorry to hear about your sisters kitten, so young. I've added the baby to the Candle Light Service. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Partners' reactions to FeLV+
but even with the nice normal kittens, there can be a lot of things that cost!! When my boys came to me, we were at the vet once a week - various parasites and viruses etc - and I was still paying on Ninja's vet bills too - and then there was about a month where things were OK, then Smoky started getting the bloody diarrhea and here we go again - all sorts of fecal tests and special diets etc and then medicine twice a day for MONTHS and voila! his poop was fine - then a few months later, we moved and voila! back to soft and bloody - then Bandit - a 2 dimensional cat - LOST 2 POUNDS - this is a very slender kitty at 10 pounds... so tests and an ultrasound etc etc and then Smoky started with the interstitial cystitis... it seems like it's always something and my mom has asked me what I would do if I had a normal healthy kitty I wouldn't know what to do!!!"Rosenfeldt, Diane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is really a hard one. My housemate, Gail, and I are both thebiggest softies in the world -- someone tells us a sob story about aferal in a trailer park with autumn approaching, or another trailer parkguy who doesn't seem as adaptable as the other strays there, and we'remaking room at the inn! And then there was Patches, who found us. Gailtends to be a little more practical than I am. We both say we can'thandle another cat, but she's the one who believes it -- even whilebuying a toy for the new arrival. Unfortunately, and I hate this as Iknow everyone here does, there IS a financial bottom line to think of,and a time commitment bottom line to think of, and a sheer logisticsbottom line to think of. We've nursed our share of sick kitties, andthe demands have been utterly draining in every respect. Missy and thelate Phoebe somehow ingested some unknown neurotoxin 2 months after wemoved to this house and zapped their livers royally, and the two of ussat in their sickroom (ironically, the move that resulted in themgetting sick also provided a spare room to be a sickroom), squirtingA/D, subQ fluids and various meds down them for nearly 2 months, and itnearly drove us nuts. It wasn't a one-person job, so we each had to getup considerably earlier in the morning to do a session before work, andinterrupt our evening for another, and although we had the satisfactionof having pulled them through, we were exhausted by the time we weredone. Similarly, a co-worker of Gail's had a cat, spayed female shesaid, that she couldn't take with her when she moved. Beautiful cat,but turned out to be male, and diabetic. We spent a lot of time andmoney getting him regulated on his insulin, only to lose him one hurriedmorning when we didn't think to make sure he got some food after hisshot. Gail bears the scars of this because she was the one who decidedto close the upstairs door (this used to be a duplex) so that the bigguys wouldn't trample her old Kitty, who had gone blind and who stayedup there where Gail sleeps and computes. The upstairs bowl was Wesley'sfood source when the more dominant guys commandeered the other one, andsuddenly he couldn't get to it. Something like this just never occurredto us, it was just freakishly bad luck. You all know how Patches cameto us, and how he stopped eating. This time, Gail was working 2nd shiftand I'm 1st, so the two of us weren't home at the same time to feed himmore than twice a day, and he needed more, and better. And then therewas Luc, our heart-kitty, and his hepatic lipidosis and the intubationand overnight stay at the emergency vet that pretty much demolished mysavings, which was proceeds from my mom's life insurance and which wehad allocated to build a deck in her memory (this sounds like ano-brainer, but she never got to see our place but wanted to get usstuff to make it nice). We decided that since she had loved Luc, shewould be happy that her money helped save his life. But we also knew,and hated ourselves for knowing, that if it had been any of the othersbesides Luc, or if it was something less treatable than the lipidosis,we might have had to make a hard decision about spending the money. What it boils down to is, I don't think, given a choice, that either ofus would knowingly take in a cat like Wes, or Patches, with thefinancial, emotional and physical burden that they inevitably bring,simply because we don't have enough of any of those resources. Buthaving taken them in, neither of us will desert them. Frankly, I don'tknow how we would have been able to do right by Patches, if he had livedlonger, with the high-end food, the supplements, the meds, the vetbills. If we were richer, less frazzled and busy, had more resources,we would probably take in another unadoptable; as it is, once ournumbers dwindle a bit, I would be willing to take an otherwise healthyHIV+ kitty and could probably talk Gail into it as well. But I think wecan be pardoned for wishing, just once, in the back of our minds, for aperfect, healthy, beautiful, snuggly, bouncy little kitten with NObaggage.
Re: Partners' reactions to FeLV+
A lot to comment on on this one... First off, wasn't this about a Corvette too.. I can relate to that because 40 years ago my new wife pressured me into letting my 1957 vette go as an unpractical car... That hurt too.. An still does a bit when I see one sell at an auction for about 200 times what I sold mine for... And 40 years later here I am caring for a dozen pos. kitties and as many more seniors that were out of time at the shelter... I think Wendy mentioned "Waiting a few more days before going to the vet".. This sounds like my vet who is probably the most reasonable priced but I seem to have to bug him to try something.. These guys can be so normal one day and be gone the next... I now have a middle aged boy who I have had for a year and eats like a horse and his mouth looks good but in the past week he has started licking through my newspaper.. I have been loading his food up with vitamins and he gobbles it all up.. but he still licks the newspaper if I leave it around Makes me wonder if I should try the IR before he develops other problems... My vet read the report that says its no better than interferon but is that because its not given early enough ??? There...I covered the whole thread and didn't answer anything... Tad Barb Moermond wrote: but even with the nice normal kittens, there can be a lot of things that cost!! When my boys came to me, we were at the vet once a week - various parasites and viruses etc - and I was still paying on Ninja's vet bills too - and then there was about a month where things were OK, then Smoky started getting the bloody diarrhea and here we go again - all sorts of fecal tests and special diets etc and then medicine twice a day for MONTHS and voila! his poop was fine - then a few months later, we moved and voila! back to soft and bloody - then Bandit - a 2 dimensional cat - LOST 2 POUNDS - this is a very slender kitty at 10 pounds... so tests and an ultrasound etc etc and then Smoky started with the interstitial cystitis... it seems like it's always something and my mom has asked me what I would do if I had a normal healthy kitty I wouldn't know what to do!!! "Rosenfeldt, Diane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is really a hard one. My housemate, Gail, and I are both the biggest softies in the world -- someone tells us a sob story about a feral in a trailer park with autumn approaching, or another trailer park guy who doesn't seem as adaptable as the other strays there, and we're making room at the inn! And then there was Patches, who found us. Gail tends to be a little more practical than I am. We both say we can't handle another cat, but she's the one who believes it -- even while buying a toy for the new arrival. Unfortunately, and I hate this as I know everyone here does, there IS a financial bottom line to think of, and a time commitment bottom line to think of, and a sheer logistics bottom line to think of. We've nursed our share of sick kitties, and the demands have been utterly draining in every respect. Missy and the late Phoebe somehow ingested some unknown neurotoxin 2 months after we moved to this house and zapped their livers royally, and the two of us sat in their sickroom (ironically, the move that resulted in them getting sick also provided a spare room to be a sickroom), squirting A/D, subQ fluids and various meds down them for nearly 2 months, and it nearly drove us nuts. It wasn't a one-person job, so we each had to get up considerably earlier in the morning to do a session before work, and interrupt our evening for another, and although we had the satisfaction of having pulled them through, we were exhausted by the time we were done. Similarly, a co-worker of Gail's had a cat, spayed female she said, that she couldn't take with her when she moved. Beautiful cat, but turned out to be male, and diabetic. We spent a lot of time and money getting him regulated on his insulin, only to lose him one hurried morning when we didn't think to make sure he got some food after his shot. Gail bears the scars of this because she was the one who decided to close the upstairs door (this used to be a duplex) so that the big guys wouldn't trample her old Kitty, who had gone blind and who stayed up there where Gail sleeps and computes. The upstairs bowl was Wesley's food source when the more dominant guys commandeered the other one, and suddenly he couldn't get to it. Something like this just never occurred to us, it was just freakishly bad luck. You all know how Patches came to us, and how he stopped eating. This time, Gail was working 2nd shift and I'm 1st, so the two of us weren't home at the same time to feed him more than twice a day, and he needed more, and better. And then there was Luc, our heart-kitty, and his hepatic lipidosis and the intubation and overnight stay at the emergency vet that pretty much demolished my savings, which was proceeds from my mom's life insurance and which we had allocated to build a deck in her memory
Interferon sources
Okay, guys, my vet's pharmacy sells Interferon A at 30 international units per milliliter and she would prescribe a milliliter a day for each of them, so it would amount to $52.00 a month per cat (or $104.00 a month). Now I know that you all have found other sources for your Interferon, and it strikes me that you've mentioned prices a LOT lower than this. What are your sources? Again, each cat would need to get 30 international units of the Interferon daily - their pharmacy puts that amount in 1 milliliter of liquid. Are your Interferon dosages similar to this? I'm really eager to start them on this, but yowza, that's a little rich for my blood. Maybe a month or two, but I couldn't keep that up on an ongoing basis. I asked her about the week on, week off and she said that the sources she found recommended against doing that now. It had been the protocol a while back, but some people noticed their cats feeling good the week on and less good the week off, so they changed the recommendation to be continuous. Sounds to me, though, like not all of you would agree, or at least that that is not how you use the Interferon. Do tell! Thank you all!! Leslie
Re: Partners' reactions to FeLV+
Hehehe, you guys are all so interesting and clever. You're all such good writers, I just love this group. Anyway, I guess that those of us with enthusiastically supportive partners should add that to our list of blessings, and those of us with grumblely supportive partners should too. And in the 'vette vs cat black hole of money debate - in my heart of hearts, I love tooling around in the 'vette because it sounds like a dumptruck and when you get out after a long ride, your whole body is still slightly vibrating from whatever new part is about to fly loose and rattling under the hood, and in his heart of hearts, he has a pretty big soft spot for Satch, and I know will for Beatrix, too, so neither of us are really arguing that the other change anything, because each quirk makes us who we are in all of our mismatched glory (nothing in common but each other, as he says). BUT - when I stress over them, it affects him, too. He doesn't like to see me sad. And when either of us complain about the expense of a situation that we gladly enter back into time and time again, it's the kneejerk reaction after so long to point out how wouldn't it make more sense to trade it in for a Prius? Or wouldn't it be easier to get a healthy adult cat? And the answer is yes, it would both be easier and make sense, but that's not the call that we heed. And just thank God that you are all here to let me vent ad nauseum. :) Leslie From: Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Partners' reactions to FeLV+ A lot to comment on on this one...First off, wasn't this about a Corvette too..I can relate to that because 40 years ago my new wife pressured meinto letting my 1957 vette go as an unpractical car... That hurt too.. An still does a bit when I see one sell at an auction for about 200times what I sold mine for...And 40 years later here I am caring for a dozen pos. kitties and as manymore seniors that were out of time at the shelter... I think Wendy mentioned Waiting a few more days before going to the vet..This sounds like my vet who is probably the most reasonable priced but Iseem to have to bug him to try something.. These guys can be so normal one day and be gone the next...I now have a middle aged boy who I have had for a year and eats like a horseand his mouth looks good but in the past week he has started licking throughmy newspaper.. I have been loading his food up with vitamins and he gobbles it all up.. but he still licks the newspaper if I leave it aroundMakes me wonder if I should try the IR before he develops other problems...My vet read the report that says its no better than interferon but is that becauseits not given early enough ???There...I covered the whole thread and didn't answer anything...Tad
Re: Dharma - licking glass
Is this an empty glass or a glass window or..?wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hideyo,I do know that Pica is the word for an animal thatlicks things that they don't normally lick, likeanemic kitties licking cement or their litter. AndPica is a symptom of anemia. I don't know if glasswould fall into that category, but it sounds like itmight.:)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Dharma - licking glass
Glass window.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Dharma - licking glass Is this an empty glass or a glass window or..? wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hideyo, I do know that Pica is the word for an animal that licks things that they don't normally lick, like anemic kitties licking cement or their litter. And Pica is a symptom of anemia. I don't know if glass would fall into that category, but it sounds like it might. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Interferon sources
Call Island Pharamacy they will even dilute the formula for you prior to shipping at 800-328-7060 here are some information Paolo from this list forwarded to me regarding human interferon.. I agree with you some suggest daily dosage as opposed to on/off I also found some links regarding interferon dosage so I will forward it to you. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html uman recombinant alpha Interferon, in FeLV+ cats, is generally administered, orally, according to the well-established protocol 7-days-on-7-days-off, 30 units per time. Given in this way, alpha Interferon does not act interfering with the replication of the virus (as it does when given IV at million units), but instead triggering, through the typical target organs (tonsils and sub-tongue area), the production of the cat's OWN interferon (omega Interferon). So, the benefits for the cat come from HIS OWN interferon: oral alpha Interferon is just the switch to promote production of the cat's endogen omega Interferon. Almost all FeLV+ cats, if not given a particular therapy, such as Interferon, show the rollercoaster effect that we all know so well; the cats goes uphill and downhill, and the period of this up-and-down cycle is not necessarily regular. [ the period of any physical *repetitive* phenomenon is the TIME after which the phenomenon repeats identically; the period of earth's rotation is 24 hours, the period of its revolution is 365 days, the period of AC power from an USA mains outlet at 60 cycles per second is 1/60 = 0.01666 seconds] Now, if we take note of the period of the rollercoaster in a non-Interferon cat, we see that this period is NOT 14 days (that is the period of the Interferon administration protocol, 7+7). This means that the two periods (rollercoaster and Interferon) are asynchronous between them, and would tend to go out of phase. In the example below, an hypothetical rollercoaster behaviour (U= up day) is confronted to the Interferon therapy (I= Interferon day) III III III III III We see that, in certain moments, it happens that the last day of Interferon falls near or at the end of the up period (beginning of the downhill). It means that the Interferon is removed when the cat needs it more!!! The function of the 7 days off in the standard Interferon protocol is to avoid that the cat develops an immunity, i.e. insensitivity, against the oral Interferon that, being *human* interferon, is marked as alien. So, no problem arises, from this point of view, should the off period be LONGER than 7 days. In this light, we modified the protocol. Interferon was started only when I felt that Micia was beginning her downhill period (any of us can notice it from many little signs: drop of appetite, (s)he doesn't run to us when entering the room, sleepy behaviour...), and, after the 7th day, it was suspended, but NOT re-started after 7 days, but only at the beginning of the next down period. In this way, Interferon is given the very days the organism needs it more, and removed when it can walk on its legs. I observed that the behaviour of Micia, with the modified protocol, was much smoother and more uniform than under the old protocol. Not only. The oral way of administration spoils Interferon of ALL its *negative* side effects, that, as you know, can be heavy when given sub-Q or IV; to use someone else's words, in this way can't hurt, might help. Consider that about 89% of the ingested Interferon is lost, and that only the Interferon that comes in contact with tonsils and sub-tongue area switches on the cat's OWN Interferon production: the administration should be SLOW, to prolonge the time during which Interferon remains in contact with the target organs. Squirting it too fast makes it useless as squirting it directly down the esophagus. Most cats (and Micia between them) aren't particularly willing to withstand 10 minutes of Interferon drip... Supported in that by the vet literature, we concluded that the value of 30 units for *oral* Interferon is not to be considered as engraved in stone. I switched to 60 units per time, but you could give 200 or 300 units as well. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leslie Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:57 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Interferon sources Okay, guys, my vet's pharmacy sells Interferon A at 30 international units per milliliter and she would prescribe a milliliter a day for each of them, so it would amount to $52.00 a month per cat (or $104.00 a month). Now I know that you all have found other sources for your Interferon, and it strikes me that you've mentioned prices a LOT lower than this. What are your sources? Again, each cat would need to get 30
Vet Visit Frustration
Hello everyone, Today I took Smokey in for what I thought was to be a check-up visit with bloodwork. He just finished up with his Doxy treatment 2 - 3 days ago for the Hemobart. He had blood work done about 1 week ago that was clear of any hemobart parasites but he was still on the Doxy during that bloodwork. First of all I didn't get the vet I request for the appointment (that I asked specifically for when I scheduled). And second of all they did nothing with Smokey but look at him. They said it was too soon to do any more blood work spent less than five minutes with him. I mentioned that he had been off the Doxy for 2 -3 days and that it might have given the Hemobart Parasite a chance to sneak back in but they didn't think it was possibleyet. The only thing they did do was give him a shot that I brought with me (thought it might have been easier for them to give it to him since he was already there). If it wasn't for the shot, that I brought myself they didn't know I was bringing, they didn't do anything with him. I could have given him the shot at home myself. But I did find out he gained about 1/2 pound. So it was a wasted trip both for the stress that Smokey had to go through the $$$ involved for a pointless visit. Needless to say I'm not happy I don't appreciate Smokey being treated like a 2nd class citizen just because he is FeLV+. I need another vet for Smokey. We live in the Clarion County, Pennsylvania area. My frustration with this area is that there are only about four vets in this area, and most are livestock vets who also see domestic pets, no specialists. Pittsburgh is about 1:15 to 1:30 hours away. State College Erie are both about 2:30 hours away. I really don't want to travel more than an hour or so with Smokey since he hates it. Can anyone give me any vet recommendations that I may be able to contact? Both Smokey I thank you. ~Dee
Re: Vet Visit Frustration
Dee, I'm sosorry to hear about your wasted vet trip. Let me tell you, I know EXACTLY what you are talking about. I always felt as if Angel were treated differently because of her FeLV+ status. It is VERY frustrating and I wish vets would become more educated as far as this disease is concerned. Best of luck to you and Smokey. I'll keep my fingers crossed that you are able to find a good vet. KarenDee Evan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone,Today I took Smokey in for what I "thought" was to be a check-up visit with bloodwork. He just finished up with his Doxy treatment 2 - 3 days ago for the Hemobart. He had blood work done about 1 week ago that was clear of any hemobart parasites but he was still on the Doxy during that bloodwork. First of all I didn't get the vet I request for the appointment (that I asked specifically for when I scheduled). And second of all they did nothing with Smokey but look at him. They said it was too soon to do any more blood work spent less than five minutes with him. I mentioned that he had been off the Doxy for 2 -3 days and that it might have given the Hemobart Parasite a chance to "sneak" back in but they didn't think it was possibleyet. The only thing they did do was give him a shot that I brought with me (thought it might have been easier for them to give it to him since he was already there). If it wasn't for the shot, that I brought myself they didn't know I was bringing, they didn't do anything with him. I could have given him the shot at home myself. But I did find out he gained about 1/2 pound. So it was a wasted trip both for the stress that Smokey had to go through the $$$ involved for a pointless visit. Needless to say I'm not happy I don't appreciate Smokey being treated like a 2nd class citizen just because he is FeLV+. I need another vet for Smokey. We live in the Clarion County, Pennsylvania area. My frustration with this area is that there are only about four vets in this area, and most are livestock vets who also see domestic pets, no specialists. Pittsburgh is about 1:15 to 1:30 hours away. State College Erie are both about 2:30 hours away. I really don't want to travel more than an hour or so with Smokey since he hates it. Can anyone give me any vet recommendations that I may be able to contact? Both Smokey I thank you. ~Dee Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
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Could you please help Susan and Iona?thanks, tonyaSusan Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition, can someone assist me in changing my email address so I cancontinue to correspond with you allTHANKS!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/19/06 9:10:49 PM Can someone tell Iona how to join the group?I think you go to the website and sign up. And I 'think' it'swww.felv.org ??tonyaIoana-Dina Rican <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:01:43 -0700 (PDT)From: Ioana-Dina Rican <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: Fwd: positive catTo: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Hi Tonya,I don't know how to join your list.Ioanacatatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Hi all,Please send advice to [EMAIL PROTECTED] She has not joined thelist (yet, I hope)! Read below to see her questions.If you don't mind I'm going to forward this to the list. We have toeat veterinary diet food here because I have a cat that has crystals. Iwould certainly NOT worry about keeping these cats together. It isnearly impossible for an adult vaccinated cat to catch leukemia. Also,I let my vaccines lapse all the time and that hasn't made a differenceeither. Maybe you can join the list if you like. It is a wonderful list anda wonderful source of information.tonyaIoana-Dina Rican <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Hello Tonya,I am the one that found the cat and brought her in the house. Iretested her yesterday, they run the test twice and indeed it ispositive. One of the other cats, which is around 6 years old, is caughtup with the vaccines. The other one, which is 2 years old, had thevaccine and the booster in July 2004. I didn't do any vaccine in 2005because I gave up on chasing her to take her to the vet. I didvaccinate her now in July 2006, but nobody gave me an answer if I haveto give her a booster. What is your personal opinion? Lola, thepositive one, is doing fine for the moment. She's gaining weight. Fora medium cat she's 8.6 lbs. She would just eat all the time. I couldnot keep them separated because I didn't want to stress them and knowingthat stress is an important factor in their health. What food do youfeed your positive cats? My cats are used just with dry food. Do youknow any affordable brand that is recommended?Ioanacatatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Date: Fri, 28 Jul 200614:30:53 -0700 (PDT)From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: positive catTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Elizabeth.If both your other cats are negative, and especially if they arevaccinatedthere is very, very little chance your cats would contractthe disease. I have had mixed positives and negatives for years andhave never had anyone transfer the disease to any of my negatives. I'mon a list (and have been for over 10 years) of hundreds of people thatmix with NO PROBLEM. I would be glad to send your email to the list forsome reassurance if you are interested. There is really no reason youcan't keep this cat. If I weren't over full I would offer myself. Ifyou want more info. please feel free to contact me. If your negativecats are NOT vaccinated you could vaccinate them and then safelyintegrate. I have brought in strays after having had only their firstshot and not even a booster yet and had no problems.tonyaLouise Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Plz cross post and contact Elizabeth below if you can help.-- Forwarded MessageFrom: Elizabeth Burgner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:58:58 -0700 (PDT)To: Spot Society <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [atlantarescue] FeLV+ AND all-4 declawed cat needs home"Lola" was found at an apt complex in Norcross and has tested positivefor FeLV. I'm driving her to LAP tomorrow to see if she's spayed; nospay scar is evident, but if she's not spayed yet she will be aftertomorrow! The person who found Lola has 2 negative cat and nowhere to isolateLola, so she needs a foster ASAP.Elizabeth Burgner__._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) |href=""Starta new topic Messages width=106 border=0 You are receiving Individual Emails Change Delivery Settings Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe New Message SearchFind the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out theimproved message search.Share feedback on the new changes to GroupsRecent Activity4href=""NewMembersVisit Your Group
Re: Minnion has gone to the Bridge
I am very sorry about Minnion. Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sisters 5 month old kitten has passed away. Minnion was a sweet fiesty girl and then started to not eat a lot. She was neg for FIV and FELV. We took her to the vet and by the time we got there she was almost gone. He gave he some meds and in less then 2 mins she was gone. I felt so good to be with her in her last moments. She was suffering and now she is not. I firmly believe everything happens for a reason. I have learned that I CAN NOT get another FELV infected kitten at this time. My son has been a wreck all day and wont eat. He is just crying for Minion. Minion was the runt of the bunch. She came from a barn cat. I did read him the Rainbow Bridge again and he still was upset. My mom cried to as how beautiful it was. Now Minion is playing with Pokies and all your babies. Hope all is good with everyone:) kayte and CrackersPlease visitmy Tigger Tales site! On the fundraising page aremy merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales.I am going to donate100% ofthe proceeds to animal welfare organizations.This is a great way to shop your favorite online pet stores and give something to a worthy cause. Thank you in advance! Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
RE: OT- Strange kitty behavior
I wish I had a reason for Missy's change in behavior (behavior change is always worrisome), but I did want to let you know that Mio displays the exact same behavior. For her it increases when she is feeling well again after a period of being sick. My bed and the bathroom have always been comfort areas to Mio, I think in part because they smell more like me, but also because when I am in those areas I am holding still. Has your lifestyle changed recently? Could she just be seeking out a calm moment with you? Has her behavior changed in any other way? Wishing you and Missy the best Kiley From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT- Strange kitty behavior Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:07:14 -0500 My soul-kitty, Missy, has been acting strange lately. She insists on being held when I'm using the restroom (which is fine, but a little odd). She also bites my nose, chin and lips when I take her to bed with me. So if I want to be able to sleep I have to shut her out of the bedroom. Then I can't sleep because I am worried about her and that she will go into heart failure during the night. Does anyone know why she might be doing this? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20
Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior
Those are love nips. She wants your undivided attention and she wants it when you are at peace with yourself. Give it to her and you will not be sorry. You might try spraying yourself with Feliway. It will help (honest). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kiley Dozier-Bosanko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:43 PM Subject: RE: OT- Strange kitty behavior I wish I had a reason for Missy's change in behavior (behavior change is always worrisome), but I did want to let you know that Mio displays the exact same behavior. For her it increases when she is feeling well again after a period of being sick. My bed and the bathroom have always been comfort areas to Mio, I think in part because they smell more like me, but also because when I am in those areas I am holding still. Has your lifestyle changed recently? Could she just be seeking out a calm moment with you? Has her behavior changed in any other way? Wishing you and Missy the best Kiley From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT- Strange kitty behavior Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:07:14 -0500 My soul-kitty, Missy, has been acting strange lately. She insists on being held when I'm using the restroom (which is fine, but a little odd). She also bites my nose, chin and lips when I take her to bed with me. So if I want to be able to sleep I have to shut her out of the bedroom. Then I can't sleep because I am worried about her and that she will go into heart failure during the night. Does anyone know why she might be doing this? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20
Re: Jimi the stressed out cat?
May I ask where you are located? Kiley From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jimi the stressed out cat? Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:50:40 EDT He has been here 5 months now so he will never settle. Its a catch 22 cant put weight on him under stress cant adopt him out looking like he hasnt eaten in 5 monthssigh
Re: timing on FeLV+ test
Are you all saying that if my 5 kitties have been vaccinated and boostered for FeLV (July 2006) that Ellie, my FeLV+ kitty, can join them now I have her separated and planned to keep her separated from the others until I get the results of her IFA on October 13. October 13 will be 120 days from the first positive IFA; she tested positive on the ELISSA a month before that. Even if she's still positive after the second IFA, is it okay to integrate her with the others? I have one kitty who would wrestle and hiss and spit playfully with her because he already has. Oreo tested positive on the ELISSA after contact with Ellie but tested negative on his IFA a month later. I now know that the vet retested him too soon but I'm too scared to have him retested with another IFA. I couldn't bear to know that my boy, my favorite, is still infected. I'd rather not know. Right after the negative IFA, I added Oreo to the bunch. Ellie, on the other hand, is a different story. I need to know what to do before I integrate her. She's SO very lonely in a bedroom all by herself. I just would feel like a horrible mother if any of my others came down with FeLV and it was because of Ellie. Please tell me what to do. I want the best for everyone -- me, my negs and my one positive! Kathi From: Susan Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:05:43 -0500 Thank you thank you thank you. My girls go for their second booster on September 26. Gunnar is having his first IFA test on December 1. So you think TWO WEEKS after the last booster and Gunnar can join the family?? That is so wonderful to hear! He's a sweetie and I can't wait for him to be a part of us - learning the routines, teaching us stuff he knows and just being a family together. From the bottom of my heart, thank you all for your encouraging words, your knowledge and your love. P.S. Can anyone tell me how I can change my email address for this chat site?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/16/06 8:02:25 PM Once your negative cats are vaccinated, boostered and then wait maybe 2 weeks... I would mix without worrying about dishes and litters at all. t Susan Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys, as I've said before, are FANTASTIC. Whenever I get down about stuff I read on other Internet sites regarding mixing or throwing off the virus, I can always count on coming to you and getting an optimistic, truthful and knowledgeable answer. Thank you, thank you, thank you I will reschedule Gunnar's appointment for 120 days from August 3. Instead of re-testing with the ELISA, I will have the IFA test done. That is correct?? And if, God forbid, the IFA is positive after 120 days, how many more days would you recommend I wait before I retest again?? And are you guys okay with mixing?? My girls are 16 and almost 8. Gunnar is 1-1/2 or 2. The girls are in the process of being vaccinated. I'm sure they won't be grooming each other, so all I need to do is keep the litter box clean and worry about the food/water bowls. I can pick up breakfast/lunch/dinner dishes immediately after meals, but what's the best route to take regarding the water bowl? And I guess I would clean the litter box in the morning and when I get home each night from work. Does this sound like a safe plan? Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Again, thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your advice and words of wisdom. You've made a nervous sister to three cats a more calmer person. Like I told our vet, who said don't count on it when I told her we were literally praying to throw the virus, I trust and believe more in what I read on this site than I would the vet's office. You guys have been there, done that. And you've got love, which is the strongest feeling of all. God bless all of you and your kitties!! Keep the faith. Susan F. Chicago, Illinois sister to Kelly (16 - just had her Sweet 16 on Saturday), Meagan (7-1/2) and Gunnar (1-1/2-2). [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/06 3:07:48 PM retest using the IFA at a minimum of 90 days--i go for 120 days since most times it takes between three and four months to clear the virus--so unless you are absolutely sure that he couldn't have been in contact with an infected cat that entire amount, better to wait. statistically, 70% of those originally tested positive on the ELISA will test negative on the IFA--if you do not test too soon. as belinda says, even if an IFA is positive after 90-120 days, it's still not a definite--the virus can still clear itself. On 9/11/06, Nina wrote: I'm confused about who is asking what here. Who's the person that is using caps to talk with? Anyway, this was just posted on my feral list in answer to questions about ELISA vs IFA. I don't know this person, (and I hope he wouldn't mind my copying his post for our list), but his response
Re: Minnion has gone to the Bridge
Crying is not a bad thing. It helps was away hurt so the true feelings of love can take hold and grow. If there were no tears Minnion would have meant nothing and that would be so very sad. Teach him that it is ok to grieve. This is very hard for someone who would rightfully want only laughter for a little one but it is very much part of having a wonderful caring adult. Blessings to all of you. Know that very strong men who have witnessed great tragedies in their jobswithout tears have choked up and turned away so people would not see their tears over the sickness or lose of a beloved pet and over Rainbow Bridge. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Gina WN To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: Minnion has gone to the Bridge I am very sorry about Minnion. Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sisters 5 month old kitten has passed away. Minnion was a sweet fiesty girl and then started to not eat a lot. She was neg for FIV and FELV. We took her to the vet and by the time we got there she was almost gone. He gave he some meds and in less then 2 mins she was gone. I felt so good to be with her in her last moments. She was suffering and now she is not. I firmly believe everything happens for a reason. I have learned that I CAN NOT get another FELV infected kitten at this time. My son has been a wreck all day and wont eat. He is just crying for Minion. Minion was the runt of the bunch. She came from a barn cat. I did read him the Rainbow Bridge again and he still was upset. My mom cried to as how beautiful it was. Now Minion is playing with Pokies and all your babies. Hope all is good with everyone:) kayte and Crackers Please visitmy Tigger Tales site! On the fundraising page aremy merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales.I am going to donate100% ofthe proceeds to animal welfare organizations.This is a great way to shop your favorite online pet stores and give something to a worthy cause. Thank you in advance! Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
two postive kittens need a forever or foster home
Hi, A vet tech at my work who was fostering two kits since they were 1 week old, just came up postive. They are 8 weeks old and she needs to find them a forever or foster home right now. she found temporary foster home for the next two weeks, but can not take them back in her home due to her own 5 cats and the 10-15 foster kits she is taking care of. Need help...they are healthy and sweet and cute of course! We are in the new york area and willing to travel. Help!! thank you Jeni
Re: Partners' reactions to FeLV+
It was my husband Mike's idea to adopt Pippin in the first place. He wasn't really a cat lover when we got together 15 years ago. Recently, when I shared the idea of keeping Pippin and mixing her with our negatives, I could see the reliefon his face and the happiness that we were going to keep her. He's very attached to his girl.Years agomy pet cockatiels had babies and the father bird killed one of the babies and had to be removed from the nest box.The mother bird took over for two weeks, but then started to feather pick the babies. They had to be hand-raised.Mike got right in there and helped me hand feed them for 13 weeks, at first coming home on his lunchhour and getting up in the night. This was before we were married.GinaLeslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hehehe, you guys are all so interesting and clever. You're all such good writers, I just love this group. Anyway, I guess that those of us with enthusiastically supportive partners should add that to our list of blessings, and those of us with grumblely supportive partners should too. And in the 'vette vs cat black hole of money debate - in my heart of hearts, I love tooling around in the 'vette because it sounds like a dumptruck and when you get out after a long ride, your whole body is still slightly vibrating from whatever new part is about to fly loose and rattling under the hood, and in his heart of hearts, he has a pretty big soft spot for Satch, and I know will for Beatrix, too, so neither of us are really arguing that the other change anything, because each quirk makes us who we are in all of our mismatched glory (nothing in common but each other, as he says). BUT - when I stress over them, it affects him, too. He doesn't like to see me sad. And when either of us complain about the expense of a situation that we gladly enter back into time and time again, it's the kneejerk reaction after so long to point out how wouldn't it make more sense to trade it in for a Prius? Or wouldn't it be easier to get a healthy adult cat? And the answer is yes, it would both be easier and make sense, but that's not the call that we heed. And just thank God that you are all here to let me vent ad nauseum. :)Leslie From: Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Partners' reactions to FeLV+ A lot to comment on on this one...First off, wasn't this about a Corvette too..I can relate to that because 40 years ago my new wife pressured meinto letting my 1957 vette go as an unpractical car... That hurt too.. An still does a bit when I see one sell at an auction for about 200times what I sold mine for...And 40 years later here I am caring for a dozen pos. kitties and as manymore seniors that were out of time at the shelter... I think Wendy mentioned "Waiting a few more days before going to the vet"..This sounds like my vet who is probably the most reasonable priced but Iseem to have to bug him to try something.. These guys can be so normal one day and be gone the next...I now have a middle aged boy who I have had for a year and eats like a horseand his mouth looks good but in the past week he has started licking throughmy newspaper.. I have been loading his food up with vitamins and he gobbles it all up.. but he still licks the newspaper if I leave it aroundMakes me wonder if I should try the IR before he develops other problems...My vet read the report that says its no better than interferon but is that becauseits not given early enough ???There...I covered the whole thread and didn't answer anything...TadPlease visitmy Tigger Tales site! On the fundraising page aremy merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales.I am going to donate100% ofthe proceeds to animal welfare organizations.This is a great way to shop your favorite online pet stores and give something to a worthy cause. Thank you in advance! Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
