Re: The best food for Duncan??
I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place on Lake Buckhorn. I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their positive and negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I have done this over 10 years with no problems. I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special except 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) Royal Canin. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jane suggested that I ask the list for food recommendations for Duncan. What would you all suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily available at health food stores, but I'd like to know about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep it that way. He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others! All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily transmitted through saliva, and that very casual contact between cats is probably not enough to cause infection. Are there other modes of transmission that I should worry about? If he's walking around in the tortoise room, should I be concerned that I'm bringing the virus into other areas of my house on my shoes? I'm being really, really fussy in order to prevent cross-contamination, but perhaps I don't need to nitpick quite so much. Oh, Tonya, I live in Villa Rica, in Carroll county. Where are you located? Laura
Re: Ki still has a fever
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Re: Ki still has a fever
Thank you Belinda. I am off to the vet with Ki this AM. He still has a fever of 104.5 He did eat a little last nite and this AM, though. So, I am hoping that it it not a big deal. The last time, I had to add clin. to the baytril. So, i gave him a dose last nite. I will hold off on anything today until he sees the vet. My hubby will be here on July 1st. for good. Looking forward to that. Just pray he gets a job soon. These critters cost $ Dede --- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dede, I just ordered it from here, I've ordered a few things from here and have gotten everything very quickly, their prices are very competitve with other places I've checked. http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=1252 -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Re: Questions about FeLV treatments
Hi Jane, I have used both feline interferon omega, (injectable, non FDA approved, expensive), and human interferon Alpha, (oral, easily obtained, inexpensive). As far as I know I was the first list member to procure a special FDA dispensation for the fio and I have to say, I was disappointed at the results. While I do believe that it helps with symptoms the great hope I had for it as a cure was dashed. I do suspect that it might be something that would help those cats first exposed to throw the virus, but at least anequdotally, it doesn't seem to help them reconvert once the virus has taken hold. If the darn stuff wasn't so expensive and hard to get I'd consider it a valuable tool in our arsenal, as things stand, I just don't know. IA on the other hand is something that I would always keep on hand and feel is worth using, (that is what I was suggesting the last time I brought up your using interferon for MeMe). It's easy to administer and it does seem to help most cats, at the very least, feel better. I have never personally used Immuno-Regulin, but the reports from list members are enough to convince me that it is worth a shot, (no pun intended), when symptoms are not alleviated with more common treatments like antibiotics. There have been several accounts of it helping with symptoms of infection like fever spikes. From what I understand, it is a bacteria that when introduced causes a boost in immune response that also helps battle current unexplained symptoms. The recommended protocol is IV injection, but at least one of our list members had good results using it subq and Best Friends uses it IM on a monthly bases for their felv+ cats. Have you discussed using it with your vet? You might point her to the vets at Best Friends since you seem fortunate enough to have a vet that is willing to research options. What type of antibiotic has MeMe been prescribed? There are so many different abx out there you may not have hit on the right one to help with her symptoms. Have you tried the broad spectrum abx like Baytril and/or Doxi? I am sending prayers and good thoughts that the recent lump you discovered has dissipated by now and that it was nothing more than a stubbornly swollen lymph node. Hugs to both you and MeMe, Nina Jane Lyons wrote: I am trying to decide what the best treatment would be for my cat (MeMe) who has 'moderate, but improving symptoms' of FeLV. (we are having success with stomatitis and giardia, but still have some swollen glands and a runny nose). I asked one vet that I use to order Virbagen Omega for me. This is her response to my request: Jane, The info on this is not encouraging. Besides the expense, the European vets don't feel it's a cure all. Here's a brief summary of the one study: J vet Int Med July-Aug 2004. Therapeutic Effects of recombinant feline interferon-omega on felv-infected and felv/fiv infected symptomatic cats Recombinant feline interferon omega or felv and felv/fiv cats compared to 42 controls, 39 Ifn treated cats at 9 ms, mortality was 39% in the Ifn cats, 59% in controls; at 1yr, mortality was 47% v.59%. Ifn treatment gave minor but consistent improvement in blood parameters (rbc count, wbc count). So: statistical improvement but half still died by 1 year. Dr.E I have just read an article that was referenced on the Feline Leukemia site by Dr. Karen Thomas who was promoting the use of ImmunoRegulin. The article is not dated, and it is not clear if the information is current, or if there is any connection to interferon. Is there anyone who has experience with these treatments, or could direct me to someone who does? Thanks very much Jane
Re: Ki still has a fever
Hi Dede, I'm jumping in here without having read all of your posts... You can pick up probiotics like acidophilus at any health food store. I've been using one marketed specifically for pets, (I get it at the health food store too), called Petdopholus. They are tasteless and can be sprinkled on food. I was just writing to Jane about I-R helping with unexplained fever spikes, have you or your vet considered it? I hope Ki feels better soon. It's a good sign that he's eating again. Prayers that your hubby finds a well paying job very soon! Nina dede hicken wrote: Well, the vet is out for the day. This is only the 2nd day of baytril. His fever is 104, and he won't eat. Seems to be drinking, though. He is a stinker to feed. The vet doesn't carry any probiotics. Where cn i get the fortiflora (sp)?.. Any ideas on how to bring the fever down? I have a few meds here. I HATE it when they are sick!!! Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
RE: The best food for Duncan??
I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't have any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was able to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I spent a lot of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan for the future. But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this than I do-but that's just my own personal choice so far. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place on Lake Buckhorn. I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their positive and negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I have done this over 10 years with no problems. I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special except 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) Royal Canin. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jane suggested that I ask the list for food recommendations for Duncan. What would you all suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily available at health food stores, but I'd like to know about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep it that way. He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others! All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily transmitted through saliva, and that very casual contact between cats is probably not enough to cause infection. Are there other modes of transmission that I should worry about? If he's walking around in the tortoise room, should I be concerned that I'm bringing the virus into other areas of my house on my shoes? I'm being really, really fussy in order to prevent cross-contamination, but perhaps I don't need to nitpick quite so much. Oh, Tonya, I live in Villa Rica, in Carroll county. Where are you located? Laura
RE: Ki still has a fever
I can't remember the website where I got the FortiFlora. It didn't help Ashley with her cow-pie poops, but all the cats love it, so I just give it to them anyway since it must be good for them. They actually fight for the food dishes now; it's quite funny. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dede hicken Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Ki still has a fever Well, the vet is out for the day. This is only the 2nd day of baytril. His fever is 104, and he won't eat. Seems to be drinking, though. He is a stinker to feed. The vet doesn't carry any probiotics. Where cn i get the fortiflora (sp)?.. Any ideas on how to bring the fever down? I have a few meds here. I HATE it when they are sick!!! Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
RE: frustrated
That's another thing that bothered me-they'd take the kitties in the back for a shot or something minor like that-I thought I should be with the baby to support them and calm them. I'm definitely going to switch vets. I found one by my workplace, and I hear her mom has like 18 cats-sounds like a good place for me! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: frustrated I agree, Melissa. Someone who hates cats would not get my business. He shouldn't even be a vet. Yet there are many reports of vets who abuse the animals in their care. You have to be soo careful. I try not to let the vet take my cat 'to the back' for any procedure except surgery. tonya MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. That's shocking of a vet to say that---so unprofessional, apart from anything else. Glad you're planning to put your hard-earned $$ elsewhere, Melissa. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Lind Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: frustrated I was planning on doing the trap/alter/release program this summer with some help from the vet-but the good one left. Sadly, this morning as I was getting some meds from the regular vet, and he told me how much he hates his daughter's cats and how he threatened to kill them! He said the girls are wondering how come the cats are still around since they thought daddy was going to kill them. It just gets worse and worse around here! You can't even turn to the vet! Argh! I'm going to ask around this larger community where I work (Norfolk, NE), and see if there is such a program. I'm also going to start going to a different vet I think. Melissa IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: The best food for Duncan??
I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't have any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was able to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I spent a lot of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan for the future. But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this than I do—but that's just my own personal choice so far. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place on Lake Buckhorn. I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their positive and negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I have done this over 10 years with no problems. I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special except 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) Royal Canin. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jane suggested that I ask the list for food recommendations for Duncan. What would you all suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily available at health food stores, but I'd like to know about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep it that way. He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others! All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily transmitted through saliva, and that very casual contact between cats is probably not enough to cause infection. Are there other modes of transmission that I should worry about? If he's walking around in the tortoise room, should I be concerned that I'm bringing the virus into other areas of my house on my shoes? I'm being really, really fussy in order to prevent cross-contamination, but perhaps I don't need to nitpick quite so much. Oh, Tonya, I live in Villa Rica, in Carroll county. Where are you located? Laura -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
RE: The best food for Duncan??
I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't have any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was able to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I spent a lot of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan for the future. But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this than I do-but that's just my own personal choice so far. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place on Lake Buckhorn. I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their positive and negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I have done this over 10 years with no problems. I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special except 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) Royal Canin. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jane suggested that I ask the list for food recommendations for Duncan. What would you all suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily available at health food stores, but I'd like to know about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep it that way. He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others! All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily transmitted through saliva, and that very casual contact between cats is probably not enough to cause infection. Are there other modes of transmission that I should worry about? If he's walking around in the tortoise room, should I be concerned that I'm bringing the virus into other areas of my house on my shoes? I'm being really, really fussy in order to prevent cross-contamination, but perhaps I don't need to nitpick quite so much. Oh, Tonya, I live in Villa Rica, in Carroll county. Where are you located? Laura -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
RE: The best food for Duncan??
I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't have any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was able to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I spent a lot of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan for the future. But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this than I do-but that's just my own personal choice so far. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place on Lake Buckhorn. I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their positive and negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I have done this over 10 years with no problems. I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special except 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) Royal Canin. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jane suggested that I ask the list for food recommendations for Duncan. What would you all suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily available at health food stores, but I'd like to know about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep it that way. He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others! All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily transmitted through saliva, and that very casual contact between cats is probably not enough to cause infection. Are there other modes of transmission that I should worry about? If he's walking around in the tortoise room, should I be concerned that I'm bringing the virus into other areas of my house on my shoes? I'm being really, really fussy in order to prevent cross-contamination, but perhaps I don't need to nitpick quite so much. Oh, Tonya, I live in Villa Rica, in Carroll county. Where are you located? Laura -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: The best food for Duncan??
My cats aren't stressed by vaccinations that I can tell. My vet is very good and most of the time they don't know they've had a vaccination. They don't make a peep. Would they rather not go to the vet, probably yes, but I wnat them to have yearly checkups anyway. I don't think there is any chance of her getting FELV from contact through a screen patio door. On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't have any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was able to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I spent a lot of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan for the future. But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this than I do-but that's just my own personal choice so far. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place on Lake Buckhorn. I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their positive and negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I have done this over 10 years with no problems. I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special except 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) Royal Canin. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jane suggested that I ask the list for food recommendations for Duncan. What would you all suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily available at health food stores, but I'd like to know about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep it that way. He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others! All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily transmitted through saliva, and that very casual contact between cats is probably not enough to cause infection. Are there other modes of transmission that I should worry about? If he's walking around in the tortoise room, should I be concerned that I'm bringing the virus into other areas of my house on my shoes? I'm being really, really fussy in order to prevent cross-contamination, but perhaps I don't need to nitpick quite so much. Oh, Tonya, I live in Villa Rica, in Carroll county. Where are you located? Laura -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store
Re: Questions about FeLV treatments
I used immuno regulin on my Smokey when he was having high fevers. The vet also gave him injections of Winstrol every other week for about a month or maybe a little longer. The immuno regulin helped Smokey. He hasn't had a fever since we started him on it (fingers crossed). I give it to him subq not IV. Smokey hates the vet so much I don't think they could even give it to him IV. He gets worst every visit. Now I give it to him every month or every other month. I did read hear that I think it is Best Friends uses it every month on their babies. I think I will do every month now. That is the only treatment I have used on Smokey. So far the only problem he has had was the fevers. I hope this might help you. Cindy Reasoner --- Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to decide what the best treatment would be for my cat (MeMe) who has 'moderate, but improving symptoms' of FeLV. (we are having success with stomatitis and giardia, but still have some swollen glands and a runny nose). I asked one vet that I use to order Virbagen Omega for me. This is her response to my request: Jane, The info on this is not encouraging. Besides the expense, the European vets don't feel it's a cure all. Here's a brief summary of the one study: J vet Int Med July-Aug 2004. Therapeutic Effects of recombinant feline interferon-omega on felv-infected and felv/fiv infected symptomatic cats Recombinant feline interferon omega or felv and felv/fiv cats compared to 42 controls, 39 Ifn treated cats at 9 ms, mortality was 39% in the Ifn cats, 59% in controls; at 1yr, mortality was 47% v.59%. Ifn treatment gave minor but consistent improvement in blood parameters (rbc count, wbc count). So: statistical improvement but half still died by 1 year. Dr.E I have just read an article that was referenced on the Feline Leukemia site by Dr. Karen Thomas who was promoting the use of ImmunoRegulin. The article is not dated, and it is not clear if the information is current, or if there is any connection to interferon. Is there anyone who has experience with these treatments, or could direct me to someone who does? Thanks very much Jane Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: Ki still has a fever
Thanks for this link, Belinda - I just ordered some for my Phelix. They had some other neat stuff too. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dede, I just ordered it from here, I've ordered a few things from here and have gotten everything very quickly, their prices are very competitve with other places I've checked. http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=1252 -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
overvaccination
The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't have any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was able to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I spent a lot of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan for the future. But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this than I do-but that's just my own personal choice so far. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place on Lake Buckhorn. I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their positive and negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I have done this over 10 years with no problems. I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special except 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) Royal Canin. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jane suggested that I ask the list for food recommendations for Duncan. What would you all suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily available at health food stores, but I'd like to know about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep it that way. He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others! All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily transmitted through saliva, and that very casual contact between cats is probably not enough to cause infection. Are there other modes of transmission that I should worry about? If he's walking around in the tortoise room, should I be concerned that I'm bringing the virus into other areas of my house on my shoes? I'm being really, really fussy in order to prevent cross-contamination, but perhaps I don't need to nitpick quite so much. Oh, Tonya, I live in Villa Rica, in Carroll county. Where are you
Re: Ki still has a fever
Yes thanks Belinda!. I ordered FortiFlora from Pet Food Direct and was reluctant to recommend it because it is more expensive and the shipping takes forever. I am giving so many supplements that I do not know what is doing what. That we now have actual stools in the litter box is 'big doins'. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 12:05 PM, elizabeth trent wrote: Thanks for this link, Belinda - I just ordered some for my Phelix. They had some other neat stuff too. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dede, I just ordered it from here, I've ordered a few things from here and have gotten everything very quickly, their prices are very competitve with other places I've checked. http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=1252 -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Ki just got back from vet
-OK, the vet DID have FortiFlora. The girl at the desk is not too smart. She also told me to continue the clin. with the baytril. The other product she sold me was called Feline immune system support by Standard Process. I had asked her about the IR and she said to try something homeopathic first. She also put him on metacam for a few days. The other thing about him I didn't mention is that he is really jumpy, like an overactive startle reflex (which has gotten better in the last few days) Anyone ever see that before? Thanks, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: overvaccination
I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too. My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living with us, I would have them vaccinated more often. I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've lost a baby to FeVL+. Both are heart-wrenching. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't have any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was able to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I spent a lot of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan for the future. But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this than I do-but that's just my own personal choice so far. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I was just there
To Melissa: RE: vaccinations
Melissa, I think you are right in keeping your young kitty away from any FeLV + kitties. They have not fully developed their immune systems yet. A lot of us here do not vaccinate our indoor only cats. I don't. I've seen some scary vaccination reactions on this site and another I belong to, including cancer at the vaccination site and reactions leading to downward spirals ending in death. It's really scary, so I feel my kitties are safer w/o vaccinations. If one does vaccinate, they should do it in a place that can be removed if cancer develops, like the back legs. Avoid the neck area. :) Wendy rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't have any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was able to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I spent a lot of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan for the future. But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this than I do-but that's just my own personal choice so far. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place on Lake Buckhorn. I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their positive and negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I have done this over 10 years with no problems. I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special except 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) Royal Canin. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jane suggested that I ask the list for food recommendations for Duncan. What would you all suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily available at health food stores, but I'd like to know about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep it that way. He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others! All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily transmitted through saliva, and that very casual contact between cats is probably not enough to cause infection. Are there other modes of transmission that I should worry about? If he's walking around in the tortoise room, should I be concerned that I'm bringing the virus into other areas of my house on my shoes? I'm being really, really fussy in order to prevent cross-contamination, but perhaps I don't need to nitpick quite so much. Oh, Tonya, I live in Villa Rica, in Carroll county. Where are you located? Laura -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~
Re: overvaccination
just go and do a search for avma vaccination protocols. you'll at least get PROFESSIONAL references. not that that means they are impartial, but at least they're a little better than a lot that gets passed around on the net--for example, ALL the vet schools in the country have adopted the every-three-year protocol, at least within the past year, if not longer ago. so any vet who doesn't know about it is not keeping up with their own profession. this article, which i'd never seen before, i found PARTICULARLY fascinating http://www.newvaccinationprotocols.com/Legal%20Considerations.htm On 6/21/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too. My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living with us, I would have them vaccinated more often. I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've lost a baby to FeVL+. Both are heart-wrenching. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk associated with vaccination and
Re: overvaccination
Inconsequential was probably a bad word to use, and I am sorry. I am sorry for those of you who have lost cats to this disease (or to anything else). I have a kitty with a heart murmur and I do not vaccinate her against anything. That's not because of the risk of cancer, though, it is because of the risk of heart attack. The chances of a cat contracting FELV are, in my opinion, a lot higher than contracting cancer from the vaccine. My vet has never seen a case, and there is now debate over whether the cancer is from the ingredients of the vaccine or from the injection itself. I'll dig up the email he sent me and post it. On 6/21/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too. My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living with us, I would have them vaccinated more often. I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've lost a baby to FeVL+. Both are heart-wrenching. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk
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OH yes, my vet does offer the 3 year rabies vaccine, but state law says if the owner brings the cat in a day late, he's not allowed to give it. So if I have a cat due 4/1 and I bring the cat in 4/2 the cat can't ahve the vaccine, he has to have the one year one. On 6/21/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inconsequential was probably a bad word to use, and I am sorry. I am sorry for those of you who have lost cats to this disease (or to anything else). I have a kitty with a heart murmur and I do not vaccinate her against anything. That's not because of the risk of cancer, though, it is because of the risk of heart attack. The chances of a cat contracting FELV are, in my opinion, a lot higher than contracting cancer from the vaccine. My vet has never seen a case, and there is now debate over whether the cancer is from the ingredients of the vaccine or from the injection itself. I'll dig up the email he sent me and post it. On 6/21/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too. My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living with us, I would have them vaccinated more often. I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've lost a baby to FeVL+. Both are heart-wrenching. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On
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Ok, here is his answer about VAS. I was freaking out because there is so much out of date, scary stuff on the Internet. The term Vaccine Associated Sarcomas has fallen out of favor and now termed Injection Site Sarcoma because they now believe that it is not the vaccine, but the actual injection of a foreign substance. I use the Purevax for distemper vaccine. Sarcomas are difficult to completely remove if found in the scruff because of the different layers of tissue and extensions that the tumor extends between the layers. First time surgery (extremely invasive) is the best chance if sarcoma is diagnosed. We vaccinate in the leg so that if a sarcoma is diagnosed, then amputation may be performed if needed.I have not seen a fibrosarcoma that I thought was associated with a vaccine. But it is a possibility with any injection. On 6/21/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OH yes, my vet does offer the 3 year rabies vaccine, but state law says if the owner brings the cat in a day late, he's not allowed to give it. So if I have a cat due 4/1 and I bring the cat in 4/2 the cat can't ahve the vaccine, he has to have the one year one. On 6/21/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inconsequential was probably a bad word to use, and I am sorry. I am sorry for those of you who have lost cats to this disease (or to anything else). I have a kitty with a heart murmur and I do not vaccinate her against anything. That's not because of the risk of cancer, though, it is because of the risk of heart attack. The chances of a cat contracting FELV are, in my opinion, a lot higher than contracting cancer from the vaccine. My vet has never seen a case, and there is now debate over whether the cancer is from the ingredients of the vaccine or from the injection itself. I'll dig up the email he sent me and post it. On 6/21/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too. My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living with us, I would have them vaccinated more often. I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've lost a baby to FeVL+. Both are heart-wrenching. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact
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I have had my cats vaccinated every year but I need to talk to my vet about it. I sure don't want to take any chances. Have any of you heard of this new strain of calici virus? My vet sent a letter out to all his clients owned by cats. You have to go for a booster then go back in 3 weeks for the last shot. The letter said that the cat didn't have to come in contact with the infected cat. We can bring it in to them. It is highly contagious and a perfectly healthy cat can die within days if exposed. My vet was even considering making it mandatory that all of their feline clients be vaccinated for this. He told me about a vet in the northeast that had an infected cat come in and I think he said that vet's office couldn't have any cats in there for something like 45 days until they disinfected the office and were sure there was no more danger from exposure. I have 8 cats and I just got through with the 2nd shot for all of them. This disease just sounded to scary to take a chance. All of my cats are inside cats. They never go out. I think where I live (Tennessee)it is a law that you have to have your pets vaccinated for rabies. I am not sure though. Cindy Reasoner --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too. My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living with us, I would have them vaccinated more often. I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've lost a baby to FeVL+. Both are heart-wrenching. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even
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This is pretty interesting. I've heard for quite a while about the 3 year protocol, but out rescue still promotes a yearly protocol (although I don't do that). Was wondering about a good reference for this. I checked out the newvaccinationprotocols.com below, but see a lot of data without links. But particularly interesting is the info on the adjuvant stuff - not sure what we use, I know it's from Ft Dodge (Wyeth Labs)... Non adjuvanted vaccines cause much less inflammation, so are less likely to cause a fibrosarcoma. Although there have been a few reports of VAS from non adjuvanted vaccines, they are clearly much safer. Gloria On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:54 AM, MaryChristine wrote: just go and do a search for avma vaccination protocols. you'll at least get PROFESSIONAL references. not that that means they are impartial, but at least they're a little better than a lot that gets passed around on the net--for example, ALL the vet schools in the country have adopted the every-three-year protocol, at least within the past year, if not longer ago. so any vet who doesn't know about it is not keeping up with their own profession. this article, which i'd never seen before, i found PARTICULARLY fascinating http://www.newvaccinationprotocols.com/Legal%20Considerations.htm On 6/21/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too. My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living with us, I would have them vaccinated more often. I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've lost a baby to FeVL+. Both are heart-wrenching. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my
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The new calici virus, again, I think is scare tactics. The vaccine is made by Fort Dodge, and Ft Dodge is trying to make $ off it. They are the same ones who make the FIP vaccine. I do not use Ft Dodge vaccines on my cats. Again, this is something my vet has never seen a case of, no one has been able to prove it even exists. If you want the most recent recommendations for vaccines, go to the AAFP website and look. I believe they publish them yearly. On 6/21/07, cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had my cats vaccinated every year but I need to talk to my vet about it. I sure don't want to take any chances. Have any of you heard of this new strain of calici virus? My vet sent a letter out to all his clients owned by cats. You have to go for a booster then go back in 3 weeks for the last shot. The letter said that the cat didn't have to come in contact with the infected cat. We can bring it in to them. It is highly contagious and a perfectly healthy cat can die within days if exposed. My vet was even considering making it mandatory that all of their feline clients be vaccinated for this. He told me about a vet in the northeast that had an infected cat come in and I think he said that vet's office couldn't have any cats in there for something like 45 days until they disinfected the office and were sure there was no more danger from exposure. I have 8 cats and I just got through with the 2nd shot for all of them. This disease just sounded to scary to take a chance. All of my cats are inside cats. They never go out. I think where I live (Tennessee)it is a law that you have to have your pets vaccinated for rabies. I am not sure though. Cindy Reasoner --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too. My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living with us, I would have them vaccinated more often. I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've lost a baby to FeVL+. Both are heart-wrenching. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved.
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On 6/21/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new calici virus, again, I think is scare tactics. The vaccine is made by Fort Dodge, and Ft Dodge is trying to make $ off it. They are the same ones who make the FIP vaccine. I do not use Ft Dodge vaccines on my cats. Again, this is something my vet has never seen a case of, no one has been able to prove it even exists. If you want the most recent recommendations for vaccines, go to the AAFP website and look. I believe they publish them yearly. On 6/21/07, cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had my cats vaccinated every year but I need to talk to my vet about it. I sure don't want to take any chances. Have any of you heard of this new strain of calici virus? My vet sent a letter out to all his clients owned by cats. You have to go for a booster then go back in 3 weeks for the last shot. The letter said that the cat didn't have to come in contact with the infected cat. We can bring it in to them. It is highly contagious and a perfectly healthy cat can die within days if exposed. My vet was even considering making it mandatory that all of their feline clients be vaccinated for this. He told me about a vet in the northeast that had an infected cat come in and I think he said that vet's office couldn't have any cats in there for something like 45 days until they disinfected the office and were sure there was no more danger from exposure. I have 8 cats and I just got through with the 2nd shot for all of them. This disease just sounded to scary to take a chance. All of my cats are inside cats. They never go out. I think where I live (Tennessee)it is a law that you have to have your pets vaccinated for rabies. I am not sure though. Cindy Reasoner --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too. My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living with us, I would have them vaccinated more often. I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've lost a baby to FeVL+. Both are heart-wrenching. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio
Re: overvaccination
Gloria, Please consider using Merial vaccines. They are more expensive, but much superior to Ft Dodge. The only reference I use for vaccination is the American Association of Feline Practitioners website, or Best Friends. Other web sites may or may not be accurate and may or may not have a financial agenda. http://www.aafponline.org/resources/guidelines/2006_Vaccination_Guidelines_JAVMA.pdf This is pretty good article from BF, a little dated. http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=59g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d On 6/21/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is pretty interesting. I've heard for quite a while about the 3 year protocol, but out rescue still promotes a yearly protocol (although I don't do that). Was wondering about a good reference for this. I checked out the newvaccinationprotocols.com below, but see a lot of data without links. But particularly interesting is the info on the adjuvant stuff - not sure what we use, I know it's from Ft Dodge (Wyeth Labs)... Non adjuvanted vaccines cause much less inflammation, so are less likely to cause a fibrosarcoma. Although there have been a few reports of VAS from non adjuvanted vaccines, they are clearly much safer. Gloria On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:54 AM, MaryChristine wrote: just go and do a search for avma vaccination protocols. you'll at least get PROFESSIONAL references. not that that means they are impartial, but at least they're a little better than a lot that gets passed around on the net--for example, ALL the vet schools in the country have adopted the every-three-year protocol, at least within the past year, if not longer ago. so any vet who doesn't know about it is not keeping up with their own profession. this article, which i'd never seen before, i found PARTICULARLY fascinating http://www.newvaccinationprotocols.com/Legal%20Considerations.htm On 6/21/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too. My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living with us, I would have them vaccinated more often. I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've lost a baby to FeVL+. Both are heart-wrenching. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I
Re: Smokey and Cindy
I am so glad that I found this site. All the info. I got was so helpful. All the wonderful people on this site saved Smokey's life. I remember one of his old vets was talking to me about having Smokey euthanized but I just couldn't do that. I was so discouraged because I didn't know what to do. The people on this site gave me so much support and I really appreciate all of you. Smokey still is skinny and I wish I could put some weight on him. He is so active now. He plays with his toys and gives me love bites. This site and the people on it are truly amazing. Cindy Reasoner --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Cindy, I was just thinking about your Smokey and I remember you coming here (a year ago?) and what bad shape he was in with the fevers. It's amazing the advancements in medicine. And Smokey possibly owes his life to the Internet, because had you not found the info. here regarding the IR, he could have succumbed to the fevers. Isn't everything just so amazing?!!! I am so glad Smokey is doing well. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: overvaccination
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. the new calici virus is neither new, nor a virus. like FIP, what has occurred, very infrequently, and only in hospital and shelter environments a FEW times since first identified is a MUTATED FORM OF ONE OF THE COMMON CALICI VIRUSES. each outbreak has been a different form, which means that NO VACCINE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT AGAINST THE NEXT FORM. why do you think there isn't an HIV vaccine yet?? this is a HUGE money-making scam by ft dodge. both phaewyrn and i have collected lots of data on this, and posted it to the lists. please go back in archives and do real research. the avma DOES NOT CONSIDER THE FT DODGE VACCINE A CORE VACCINE. read the CURRENT vaccine protocol at the uc davis site, or any of the other vet school sites. please. i can post all the info on the calici virus when i have a chance--if anyone who still reads this list has the copy i sent out a month or so ago, when ft dodge decided to capitalize on everyone's pet-food-recall panic, PLEASE post it AGAIN for people. MC who is, frankly, tired of repeating herself. On 6/21/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new calici virus, again, I think is scare tactics. The vaccine is made by Fort Dodge, and Ft Dodge is trying to make $ off it. They are the same ones who make the FIP vaccine. I do not use Ft Dodge vaccines on my cats. Again, this is something my vet has never seen a case of, no one has been able to prove it even exists. If you want the most recent recommendations for vaccines, go to the AAFP website and look. I believe they publish them yearly. On 6/21/07, cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had my cats vaccinated every year but I need to talk to my vet about it. I sure don't want to take any chances. Have any of you heard of this new strain of calici virus? My vet sent a letter out to all his clients owned by cats. You have to go for a booster then go back in 3 weeks for the last shot. The letter said that the cat didn't have to come in contact with the infected cat. We can bring it in to them. It is highly contagious and a perfectly healthy cat can die within days if exposed. My vet was even considering making it mandatory that all of their feline clients be vaccinated for this. He told me about a vet in the northeast that had an infected cat come in and I think he said that vet's office couldn't have any cats in there for something like 45 days until they disinfected the office and were sure there was no more danger from exposure. I have 8 cats and I just got through with the 2nd shot for all of them. This disease just sounded to scary to take a chance. All of my cats are inside cats. They never go out. I think where I live (Tennessee)it is a law that you have to have your pets vaccinated for rabies. I am not sure though. Cindy Reasoner --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too. My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living with us, I would have them vaccinated more often. I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've lost a baby to FeVL+. Both are heart-wrenching. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many
Re: overvaccination/new strain of calici
Hey Cindy, Check out this link from the FeLV talk archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg28478.html I remembered it being brought up before, and that there was controversy surrounding it. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had my cats vaccinated every year but I need to talk to my vet about it. I sure don't want to take any chances. Have any of you heard of this new strain of calici virus? My vet sent a letter out to all his clients owned by cats. You have to go for a booster then go back in 3 weeks for the last shot. The letter said that the cat didn't have to come in contact with the infected cat. We can bring it in to them. It is highly contagious and a perfectly healthy cat can die within days if exposed. My vet was even considering making it mandatory that all of their feline clients be vaccinated for this. He told me about a vet in the northeast that had an infected cat come in and I think he said that vet's office couldn't have any cats in there for something like 45 days until they disinfected the office and were sure there was no more danger from exposure. I have 8 cats and I just got through with the 2nd shot for all of them. This disease just sounded to scary to take a chance. All of my cats are inside cats. They never go out. I think where I live (Tennessee)it is a law that you have to have your pets vaccinated for rabies. I am not sure though. Cindy Reasoner --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too. My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living with us, I would have them vaccinated more often. I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've lost a baby to FeVL+. Both are heart-wrenching. elizabeth On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. Melissa -Original Message- From:
Please add Tsunade to CLS
Hello, I have not been able to keep up with this list much because things have been really chaotic in my life lately. Unfortunately, my sweet kitty Tsunade got very sick about 7 weeks ago. Several vet trips found that she had a huge amount of white bllood cells, so she was put on interfron and vitamins. She had her ups and downs but finally wed June 16 I made the decision to have her put down. She was howling (loud and painful) all night and she could not walk. She could not even hold her head straight. Tsunade was only about a year and a half old. She was my only kitty. I dont know if I will be able to get a kitten later this summer, but if I did could I reuse the cat condo and scratching post Tsunade had? Is there a good way to sterilize the leukemia germs or will I need to throw it away (already threw away water bowls and litter box)? down in the dumps, Chelsea
RE: Please add Tsunade to CLS
Chelsea, I am so sorry that Tsunade didn't make it. Gentle Bridge vibes to her and hugs to you. The leukemia virus can't survive in the open air for more than a few seconds, and is only transmitted through things like deep bites, so you probably don't have to worry about the condo and scratching post. If they make you nervous, give them a scrubbing with, say, a vinegar/water solution and let them dry in the sun. And this is way more than you really need to do. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add Tsunade to CLS Hello, I have not been able to keep up with this list much because things have been really chaotic in my life lately. Unfortunately, my sweet kitty Tsunade got very sick about 7 weeks ago. Several vet trips found that she had a huge amount of white bllood cells, so she was put on interfron and vitamins. She had her ups and downs but finally wed June 16 I made the decision to have her put down. She was howling (loud and painful) all night and she could not walk. She could not even hold her head straight. Tsunade was only about a year and a half old. She was my only kitty. I dont know if I will be able to get a kitten later this summer, but if I did could I reuse the cat condo and scratching post Tsunade had? Is there a good way to sterilize the leukemia germs or will I need to throw it away (already threw away water bowls and litter box)? down in the dumps, Chelsea This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: overvaccination
http://www.caberfeidh.com/Revax.htm This is a very thoughtful and well reasoned article about the over vaccination problem. It is written by a dog 'person', but her research includes felines, and the issues are the same. Jane ___ ___
Re: Please add Tsunade to CLS
Chelsea, I remember when you first came here. You were so eager to learn new info. and help Tsunade. I am so sorry she lost her battle with FeLV. It must be very hard for you. It sounds like you made the right decision in letting her go. It's one of the last and most selfless gifts we can give, for those of us who love our furbabies deeply. I hope you allow her sweet memories to comfort you as you grieve for her. I think it's safe to use her kitty condo and scratching post again. The virus does not live long outside the host's body. I'm betting Tsunade would love for another kitty to enjoy them. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: overvaccination
All I know is what my vet told me. I guess I am the idiot for trusting him. I will do research about it. I'm sorry I can't get on this site everyday to read what people post. Cindy Reasoner --- MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. the new calici virus is neither new, nor a virus. like FIP, what has occurred, very infrequently, and only in hospital and shelter environments a FEW times since first identified is a MUTATED FORM OF ONE OF THE COMMON CALICI VIRUSES. each outbreak has been a different form, which means that NO VACCINE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT AGAINST THE NEXT FORM. why do you think there isn't an HIV vaccine yet?? this is a HUGE money-making scam by ft dodge. both phaewyrn and i have collected lots of data on this, and posted it to the lists. please go back in archives and do real research. the avma DOES NOT CONSIDER THE FT DODGE VACCINE A CORE VACCINE. read the CURRENT vaccine protocol at the uc davis site, or any of the other vet school sites. please. i can post all the info on the calici virus when i have a chance--if anyone who still reads this list has the copy i sent out a month or so ago, when ft dodge decided to capitalize on everyone's pet-food-recall panic, PLEASE post it AGAIN for people. MC who is, frankly, tired of repeating herself. On 6/21/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new calici virus, again, I think is scare tactics. The vaccine is made by Fort Dodge, and Ft Dodge is trying to make $ off it. They are the same ones who make the FIP vaccine. I do not use Ft Dodge vaccines on my cats. Again, this is something my vet has never seen a case of, no one has been able to prove it even exists. If you want the most recent recommendations for vaccines, go to the AAFP website and look. I believe they publish them yearly. On 6/21/07, cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had my cats vaccinated every year but I need to talk to my vet about it. I sure don't want to take any chances. Have any of you heard of this new strain of calici virus? My vet sent a letter out to all his clients owned by cats. You have to go for a booster then go back in 3 weeks for the last shot. The letter said that the cat didn't have to come in contact with the infected cat. We can bring it in to them. It is highly contagious and a perfectly healthy cat can die within days if exposed. My vet was even considering making it mandatory that all of their feline clients be vaccinated for this. He told me about a vet in the northeast that had an infected cat come in and I think he said that vet's office couldn't have any cats in there for something like 45 days until they disinfected the office and were sure there was no more danger from exposure. I have 8 cats and I just got through with the 2nd shot for all of them. This disease just sounded to scary to take a chance. All of my cats are inside cats. They never go out. I think where I live (Tennessee)it is a law that you have to have your pets vaccinated for rabies. I am not sure though. Cindy Reasoner --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over vaccinating is to have blood work done for titers...but you could still end up paying for that test and still have to pay for the vaccine too. My vet doesn't like to vaccinate immuno-compromised or geriatric cats. I confess that I am very shell-shocked from my experience with Felicity...and I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. It might make more sense to have them vaccinated more often if they were outdoor types. I really think that if we still had FeVL+ babies living
RE: overvaccination
I hear you Cindy. Speaking for myself I think technology while truly wonderful has also resulted in us having to work harder and longer than ever before (I never ever want a Blackberry-type thing; I've used my recntly-acquired cellphone ONCE)my poor brain finds it impossible to retain information these days even when I do read up. Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cindy reasoner Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: overvaccination All I know is what my vet told me. I guess I am the idiot for trusting him. I will do research about it. I'm sorry I can't get on this site everyday to read what people post. Cindy Reasoner --- MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. the new calici virus is neither new, nor a virus. like FIP, what has occurred, very infrequently, and only in hospital and shelter environments a FEW times since first identified is a MUTATED FORM OF ONE OF THE COMMON CALICI VIRUSES. each outbreak has been a different form, which means that NO VACCINE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT AGAINST THE NEXT FORM. why do you think there isn't an HIV vaccine yet?? this is a HUGE money-making scam by ft dodge. both phaewyrn and i have collected lots of data on this, and posted it to the lists. please go back in archives and do real research. the avma DOES NOT CONSIDER THE FT DODGE VACCINE A CORE VACCINE. read the CURRENT vaccine protocol at the uc davis site, or any of the other vet school sites. please. i can post all the info on the calici virus when i have a chance--if anyone who still reads this list has the copy i sent out a month or so ago, when ft dodge decided to capitalize on everyone's pet-food-recall panic, PLEASE post it AGAIN for people. MC who is, frankly, tired of repeating herself. On 6/21/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new calici virus, again, I think is scare tactics. The vaccine is made by Fort Dodge, and Ft Dodge is trying to make $ off it. They are the same ones who make the FIP vaccine. I do not use Ft Dodge vaccines on my cats. Again, this is something my vet has never seen a case of, no one has been able to prove it even exists. If you want the most recent recommendations for vaccines, go to the AAFP website and look. I believe they publish them yearly. On 6/21/07, cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had my cats vaccinated every year but I need to talk to my vet about it. I sure don't want to take any chances. Have any of you heard of this new strain of calici virus? My vet sent a letter out to all his clients owned by cats. You have to go for a booster then go back in 3 weeks for the last shot. The letter said that the cat didn't have to come in contact with the infected cat. We can bring it in to them. It is highly contagious and a perfectly healthy cat can die within days if exposed. My vet was even considering making it mandatory that all of their feline clients be vaccinated for this. He told me about a vet in the northeast that had an infected cat come in and I think he said that vet's office couldn't have any cats in there for something like 45 days until they disinfected the office and were sure there was no more danger from exposure. I have 8 cats and I just got through with the 2nd shot for all of them. This disease just sounded to scary to take a chance. All of my cats are inside cats. They never go out. I think where I live (Tennessee)it is a law that you have to have your pets vaccinated for rabies. I am not sure though. Cindy Reasoner --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of cancer is abysmal. I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are formulated to be given every three years. Others are formulated for every year. Many say you don't want to give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine every 3 years. There have also been tests that indicate the three year vaccines are less effective. I'm told that currently the best way to ensure you aren't over
RE: overvaccination
I am one of the few peope that doesn't have a computer at home. I use my work computer. So it is difficult for me to do alot of research. Honestly after working on a computer all day I probably wouldn't want to get on one when I got home. Cindy Reasoner --- MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear you Cindy. Speaking for myself I think technology while truly wonderful has also resulted in us having to work harder and longer than ever before (I never ever want a Blackberry-type thing; I've used my recntly-acquired cellphone ONCE)my poor brain finds it impossible to retain information these days even when I do read up. Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cindy reasoner Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: overvaccination All I know is what my vet told me. I guess I am the idiot for trusting him. I will do research about it. I'm sorry I can't get on this site everyday to read what people post. Cindy Reasoner --- MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. the new calici virus is neither new, nor a virus. like FIP, what has occurred, very infrequently, and only in hospital and shelter environments a FEW times since first identified is a MUTATED FORM OF ONE OF THE COMMON CALICI VIRUSES. each outbreak has been a different form, which means that NO VACCINE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT AGAINST THE NEXT FORM. why do you think there isn't an HIV vaccine yet?? this is a HUGE money-making scam by ft dodge. both phaewyrn and i have collected lots of data on this, and posted it to the lists. please go back in archives and do real research. the avma DOES NOT CONSIDER THE FT DODGE VACCINE A CORE VACCINE. read the CURRENT vaccine protocol at the uc davis site, or any of the other vet school sites. please. i can post all the info on the calici virus when i have a chance--if anyone who still reads this list has the copy i sent out a month or so ago, when ft dodge decided to capitalize on everyone's pet-food-recall panic, PLEASE post it AGAIN for people. MC who is, frankly, tired of repeating herself. On 6/21/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new calici virus, again, I think is scare tactics. The vaccine is made by Fort Dodge, and Ft Dodge is trying to make $ off it. They are the same ones who make the FIP vaccine. I do not use Ft Dodge vaccines on my cats. Again, this is something my vet has never seen a case of, no one has been able to prove it even exists. If you want the most recent recommendations for vaccines, go to the AAFP website and look. I believe they publish them yearly. On 6/21/07, cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had my cats vaccinated every year but I need to talk to my vet about it. I sure don't want to take any chances. Have any of you heard of this new strain of calici virus? My vet sent a letter out to all his clients owned by cats. You have to go for a booster then go back in 3 weeks for the last shot. The letter said that the cat didn't have to come in contact with the infected cat. We can bring it in to them. It is highly contagious and a perfectly healthy cat can die within days if exposed. My vet was even considering making it mandatory that all of their feline clients be vaccinated for this. He told me about a vet in the northeast that had an infected cat come in and I think he said that vet's office couldn't have any cats in there for something like 45 days until they disinfected the office and were sure there was no more danger from exposure. I have 8 cats and I just got through with the 2nd shot for all of them. This disease just sounded to scary to take a chance. All of my cats are inside cats. They never go out. I think where I live (Tennessee)it is a law that you have to have your pets vaccinated for rabies. I am not sure though. Cindy Reasoner --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro sarcoma http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html They've changed the vaccine now, however...there is less risk. There is still risk, however. I can tell you though that with an aggressive fibro sarcoma, amputating the paw can prolong the life but it cannot save it. Felicity had her leg amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching story. The survival rate even for humans with this type of
Re: overvaccination
What you didn't mention is that Drs Dodds Schultz need funding for this research. I am contributing thru a group I belong to and, unfortunately, don't have the link any more. Perhaps someone else can provide the link on the research and funding??? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:03 AM Subject: overvaccination The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't have any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was able to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I spent a lot of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan for the future. But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this than I do-but that's just my own personal choice so far. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place on Lake Buckhorn. I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their positive and negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I have done this over 10 years with no problems. I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special except 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) Royal Canin. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jane suggested that I ask the list for food recommendations for Duncan. What would you all suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily available at health food stores, but I'd like to know about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now Duncan's appetite
Re: To Melissa: RE: vaccinations
I think you can have titers run on the little one when she is older to see what her immunity level is.I believe they are relatively expensive compared to vaccinations but even rabies titers are accepted in many states including Ky which is not a pet friendly state. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: To Melissa: RE: vaccinations Melissa, I think you are right in keeping your young kitty away from any FeLV + kitties. They have not fully developed their immune systems yet. A lot of us here do not vaccinate our indoor only cats. I don't. I've seen some scary vaccination reactions on this site and another I belong to, including cancer at the vaccination site and reactions leading to downward spirals ending in death. It's really scary, so I feel my kitties are safer w/o vaccinations. If one does vaccinate, they should do it in a place that can be removed if cancer develops, like the back legs. Avoid the neck area. :) Wendy rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't have any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was able to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I spent a lot of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan for the future. But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this than I do-but that's just my own personal choice so far. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place on Lake Buckhorn. I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their positive and negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I have done this over 10 years with no problems. I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special except 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) Royal Canin. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jane suggested that I ask the list for food recommendations for Duncan. What would you all suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily available at health food stores, but I'd like to know about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep it that way. He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others! All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily transmitted through saliva, and that very casual contact between cats is probably not enough to cause infection. Are there other modes of transmission that I should worry about? If he's walking around in the tortoise room, should I be concerned that I'm bringing the virus into other areas of my house on my shoes? I'm being really, really fussy in order to prevent cross-contamination, but perhaps I don't need to nitpick quite so much.
Re: overvaccination
On Jun 21, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Marylyn wrote: What you didn't mention is that Drs Dodds Schultz need funding for this research. I am contributing thru a group I belong to and, unfortunately, don't have the link any more. Perhaps someone else can provide the link on the research and funding??? http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/ Thanks Marylyn ..this is the website for the rabies research project. The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not inconsequential. Many veterinarians have altered their vaccination protocols to every three years because recent studies that have indicated we are over vaccinating our animals. In many instances one vaccination can protect an animal for its lifetime, and revaccination and boosters are driven by the economics of a practice and pharmaceutical companies. Dr Jean Dodds DVM and Ronald Schultz DVM are now conducting the 'Rabies Challenge research, which is an effort to prove that one rabies vaccination is sufficient for the lifetime of an animal. I did not intend to get into a vaccination discussion, other than to say it is prudent to research the type and frequency of vaccinations. There are many practices that now inoculate cats just above the paw, so that in the event of a sarcoma, the paw can be amputated and the animals life saved. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: I had heard that on the radio or something--about not needing vaccinations every year. If I don't have to put them through the stress...I think I'll approach my new vet about the distemper. I guess my reasoning for not vaccinating the youngest is simply because she doesn't ever go outside. She doesn't even sneak out, or try to sneak out. The chances of her getting FeLV from contact through the screen patio door are so slim, that I just would rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't have any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was able to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I spent a lot of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan for the future. But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this than I do-but that's just my own personal choice so far. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place on Lake Buckhorn. I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their positive and negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I have done this over 10 years with no problems. I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special except 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) Royal Canin. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jane suggested that I ask the list for food recommendations for Duncan. What would you all suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily available at health food stores, but I'd like to know about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep it that way. He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others! All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily transmitted through saliva, and that very casual contact between cats is probably not
Re: Please add Tsunade to CLS
Chelsea, Others on the list can advise you on spreading FeLV, but I just wanted to say how sorry I was for your loss. I remember you when I joined. You will be able to open your heart to another furkid. There are so many waiting to be loved by someone just like you. Dede --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have not been able to keep up with this list much because things have been really chaotic in my life lately. Unfortunately, my sweet kitty Tsunade got very sick about 7 weeks ago. Several vet trips found that she had a huge amount of white bllood cells, so she was put on interfron and vitamins. She had her ups and downs but finally wed June 16 I made the decision to have her put down. She was howling (loud and painful) all night and she could not walk. She could not even hold her head straight. Tsunade was only about a year and a half old. She was my only kitty. I dont know if I will be able to get a kitten later this summer, but if I did could I reuse the cat condo and scratching post Tsunade had? Is there a good way to sterilize the leukemia germs or will I need to throw it away (already threw away water bowls and litter box)? down in the dumps, Chelsea When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
RE: Please add Tsunade to CLS
So sorry to hear about Tsunade. I hope your grief eases. My good vet said the same thing-that the virus can only live for a few seconds. I hope you find the strength to get through this and take in more kitties in need. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add Tsunade to CLS Hello, I have not been able to keep up with this list much because things have been really chaotic in my life lately. Unfortunately, my sweet kitty Tsunade got very sick about 7 weeks ago. Several vet trips found that she had a huge amount of white bllood cells, so she was put on interfron and vitamins. She had her ups and downs but finally wed June 16 I made the decision to have her put down. She was howling (loud and painful) all night and she could not walk. She could not even hold her head straight. Tsunade was only about a year and a half old. She was my only kitty. I dont know if I will be able to get a kitten later this summer, but if I did could I reuse the cat condo and scratching post Tsunade had? Is there a good way to sterilize the leukemia germs or will I need to throw it away (already threw away water bowls and litter box)? down in the dumps, Chelsea
Fwd: Questions about FeLV treatments
subject: Re: Questions about FeLV treatments Thank you all for your input. I've sent the information on Immuno-Regulen to the allopathic vet that I use. I appreciate your time and experience very much. Jane On Jun 21, 2007, at 9:09 AM, Nina wrote: Hi Jane, I have used both feline interferon omega, (injectable, non FDA approved, expensive), and human interferon Alpha, (oral, easily obtained, inexpensive). As far as I know I was the first list member to procure a special FDA dispensation for the fio and I have to say, I was disappointed at the results. While I do believe that it helps with symptoms the great hope I had for it as a cure was dashed. I do suspect that it might be something that would help those cats first exposed to throw the virus, but at least anequdotally, it doesn't seem to help them reconvert once the virus has taken hold. If the darn stuff wasn't so expensive and hard to get I'd consider it a valuable tool in our arsenal, as things stand, I just don't know. IA on the other hand is something that I would always keep on hand and feel is worth using, (that is what I was suggesting the last time I brought up your using interferon for MeMe). It's easy to administer and it does seem to help most cats, at the very least, feel better. I have never personally used Immuno-Regulin, but the reports from list members are enough to convince me that it is worth a shot, (no pun intended), when symptoms are not alleviated with more common treatments like antibiotics. There have been several accounts of it helping with symptoms of infection like fever spikes. From what I understand, it is a bacteria that when introduced causes a boost in immune response that also helps battle current unexplained symptoms. The recommended protocol is IV injection, but at least one of our list members had good results using it subq and Best Friends uses it IM on a monthly bases for their felv+ cats. Have you discussed using it with your vet? You might point her to the vets at Best Friends since you seem fortunate enough to have a vet that is willing to research options. What type of antibiotic has MeMe been prescribed? There are so many different abx out there you may not have hit on the right one to help with her symptoms. Have you tried the broad spectrum abx like Baytril and/or Doxi? I am sending prayers and good thoughts that the recent lump you discovered has dissipated by now and that it was nothing more than a stubbornly swollen lymph node. Hugs to both you and MeMe, Nina Jane Lyons wrote: I am trying to decide what the best treatment would be for my cat (MeMe) who has 'moderate, but improving symptoms' of FeLV. (we are having success with stomatitis and giardia, but still have some swollen glands and a runny nose). I asked one vet that I use to order Virbagen Omega for me. This is her response to my request: Jane, The info on this is not encouraging. Besides the expense, the European vets don't feel it's a cure all. Here's a brief summary of the one study: J vet Int Med July-Aug 2004. Therapeutic Effects of recombinant feline interferon-omega on felv-infected and felv/fiv infected symptomatic cats Recombinant feline interferon omega or felv and felv/fiv cats compared to 42 controls, 39 Ifn treated cats at 9 ms, mortality was 39% in the Ifn cats, 59% in controls; at 1yr, mortality was 47% v.59%. Ifn treatment gave minor but consistent improvement in blood parameters (rbc count, wbc count). So: statistical improvement but half still died by 1 year. Dr.E I have just read an article that was referenced on the Feline Leukemia site by Dr. Karen Thomas who was promoting the use of ImmunoRegulin. The article is not dated, and it is not clear if the information is current, or if there is any connection to interferon. Is there anyone who has experience with these treatments, or could direct me to someone who does? Thanks very much Jane
Question re treatment differences ?????
Is immuno-reglan or interferon and rolferon all the same thing ??? Thank you. Sheila Nebraska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question re treatment differences ?????
No they are all different -- you might want to read the felk group website as it explains different treatment there. - Original Message - From: Sheila Coylemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Question re treatment differences ? Is immuno-reglan or interferon and rolferon all the same thing ??? Thank you. Sheila Nebraska [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: overvaccination
incidentally, this is written by christie keith, one of the people from www.petconnection.com who've been on top of the pet-food recall from the beginning, and the person who did the chat on homemade cat food that i posted about awhile back; she does a weekly holistic pet chat at www.doghobbyist.com; writes a weekly column for the SFGate called Your Whole Pet, and is one of the people who hired and trained me as a chat host over seven years ago. On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.caberfeidh.com/Revax.htm This is a very thoughtful and well reasoned article about the over vaccination problem. It is written by a dog 'person', but her research includes felines, and the issues are the same. Jane ___ ___ -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: overvaccination
Yes ... she is a talented woman, very conscious. On Jun 21, 2007, at 8:46 PM, MaryChristine wrote: incidentally, this is written by christie keith, one of the people from www.petconnection.com who've been on top of the pet-food recall from the beginning, and the person who did the chat on homemade cat food that i posted about awhile back; she does a weekly holistic pet chat at www.doghobbyist.com; writes a weekly column for the SFGate called Your Whole Pet, and is one of the people who hired and trained me as a chat host over seven years ago. On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:http://www.caberfeidh.com/Revax.htm This is a very thoughtful and well reasoned article about the over vaccination problem. It is written by a dog 'person', but her research includes felines, and the issues are the same. Jane __ _ ___ -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Keera and Carolina Please add to CLS
This has been a tough week in rescue here.First Camden with Victor and now Carolina a beautiful Dilute calico who finally found a furever home with Camdens mom passed away today.And Keera a feisty girl who was being fostered by one of our volunteers boyfriend also passed today.Jen sais it is days like these that she feels like hanging up her stethescope.Thank you all. Sherry - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
