Whitey
View full size ??? View full size For those of you without the history, Whitey came to me about six months ago relatively permanently.? She showed up and just sort of stayed.? When she came, she was boney (You could feel its ribs) and her long white fur was literally in huge mats all over her body. After months of feeding and brushing, I got her fur cleaned up and she put on a few pounds.? Last night I went? to feed her and found her so disoriented she couldn't even stand up, so Jeff took her to the vet this morning, and this is where the story picks up... Ok, guys.? Jeff just got back from the vet with Whitey.? Here's what we learned. (Pictures Attached.) ? She is a He? LOL ? He is about 10-12 years old. ? He has not been neutered. :( ? He has a severe inner-ear infection. ? He has a grade 3 heart murmur ? He has advanced/severe gingivitis.? Needs several teeth pulled. ? FeLV/FIV NEGATIVE. (Thank God for something!) ? He also has hyperthyroidism.? They found a benign tumor on his thyroid. ? We're starting with oral antibiotics to get the ear infection cleaned up.? They drew blood for a thyroid and kidney check, as well as a fecal sample.??? Doc wants to get the ear infection cleared up before we start with thyroid medicine and such to make sure its not the infection causing all those other problems.??? He also wanted to wait on vaccines until we get everything else cleared up.? They cleaned his ears and clipped his nails today.? He's going back for vaccines/teeth pulling when we get the infection cleared up. Now here's the dilemma.? First of all, I'm starting to feel bad about taking someone else's cat.? He just wandered to the house and sorta stayed, but he does go home from time to time for a few hours, but is always at teh house at night and in the morning for food.? I *think* I know who he belongs to, but I'm not certain.? The vet says he must stay indoors (at least for now) due to the severe infection and his imbalance, otherwise they said he couldn't run from cats/dogs or cars, he's very much at risk right now, so he's going in my Sun Room, which I suppose will become the kitty suite.? What do you guys? think?? I don't think I should feel bad for taking him, for the simple fact that if someone is so irresponsible a pet owner that they'd let him get in that shape, do they really care or deserve to own an animal?? I really do think its in HIS best interest that he stays with me, but again, he doesn't technically belong to me, so its a dilemma.? What do you guys think?? Another issue I'm having is his FeLV negative status.?? With two positives in the house, what do I do?? For now he's going to be isolated in the sunroom where he's safe, but if I keep him long term, should I let him back outdoors? I just don't know what to do.? I really don't feel good about mixing him with the positives and exposing him to FeLV.? My other negative had already been exposed before I knew.? But this is a totally different situation.? I could keep him isolated til he's better, then let him back out, that's one option. Another option is mixing :(? I really can't see leaving him in the sunroom the rest of his life, that just wouldn't be fair.? I'd appreciate input/opinions, guys. Michael Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
Re: Whitey
First of all, I need to tell you that if you are going to take this cat in and care for him properly, it is going to cost a good deal of . I would go to who you think owns him, explain what all is wrong with him and what will need to be done to fix it, and that you are willing to pay for it if they are willing to surrender the cat to you - if that's the case. The heart murmur at this point is of concern to me. I have a kitty with heart disease, and she can't have vaccines nor her teeth pulled. I would have an echo done to determine the cause of the heart murmur. This will be $280+. It could be benign or it could indicate heart disease. If he has heart disease he shouldn't have vaccines or his teeth pulled due to the risks of anasthesia, however the health benefits of being neutered might outweigh the risks of being under anasthesia. If he is able to be vaccinated, I'd wait until the series was done, then mix, but that's obviously a personal decision. Outside he is at risk of being run over by a car, eaten by a wild animal, God forbid taken by an animal hater and killed, drinking antifreeze and dying, being shot, etc etc. All worse than FELV IMHO. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Whitey
Michael, First I have to tell you, I love the pictures! You can tell he feels safe , loved and secure...maybe, for the first time in his life? I think it is wonderful that you and Jeff are helping him...I'm sorry , but when I see any animal, obviously neglected or in a dangerous situation, I consider the animal first and never the people who OWN the animal. Remember when Caroline was going through her thing, trying to figure out how to resolve her issue about the lost cat she found with the tags...that had the collar so tight around her neck and was so skinny and ratty? Well, she was trying to find the OWNER, but scared to give the cat over...It ended up being an amazing story, with a good ending , I hope??? I was all for Caroline just keeping the cat and I guess that was the wrong answer for that case, but if you actually do feel this cat has a home and is so neglected...oh well...I am always for the welfare of the animal...You guys have to be the best thing that ever happened to this cat... Feeling as you do, if I were you, I might go meet the people and have a talk with them...You can just say the cat kind of adopted you and Jeff and this is what you have done for the cat and discoverd about their cat... Nine chances out of ten they will be happy someone is doing all this...and you will then be able to do this in the open...It is a wonder Whitey is negative for diseases...maybe he was never even vaccinated and obviously is wandering around...I think everyone that knows cats knows that cats are always looking for that better home or that extra home...My neighbor's cat likes to hang at my house and my cat Bruno is crazy about my friend Beth's down the street...He eats and naps there, in the day and gets praise when he catches moles in her yard, they let Bruno keep what he catces...I rescue the moles and release...Bruno spends his day at Beth's and is home to eat dinner and sleep in my house at night...Bruno is a survivor...came from Maui Hawaii where he used to hustle the workers, men, at a sugar factory at lunch hour for handouts...ended up at the Maui Humane Society...carefully delivered by a worker, who later called to say what a great cat he was and to please find him a good home...I'm knowing some cats are better at hustling than others. Whitey might be such a cat...My friend Beth and her family are justs crazy about Bruno, especially her elderly father...Bruno is particularly fond of men...I always figured it was because of all those lunch hours at the sugar factory...Between lunch handouts, Bruno hunted rats...The bigger the rats the better...always left rat heads everywhere...Maui has zillions of rats...Where I lived we had over fifty avocado trees, lots of rats...I just am giving you a case study of my little survivor...thinking Whitey has picked you now for his life, because you are what he needs...As far as mixing your positives with Whitey...I just do not know what to say...I know you have vaccinated him...and being older he may be pretty immune to all the diseases out there ...One reason I mentioned maybe talking to the people you believe own Whitey is to gather history on Whitey and maybe just see if they would be able to offer him a little better attention at their house while he is with them...especially, since they will be aware someone is noticing...If you had a situation where everyone was negative at your house I would not even sweat it...I'd just take Whitey in...end of story...I do see where you are a bit stuck here, thinking about mixing your guys...You are the best...You and Jeff...Others will weigh in and probably say, since Whitey is already pretty old, just let them mix and give him tons of love. From what you have done for Whitey, so far, you guys have already saved his life once...no kidding...Best wishes , Glenda and family --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: View full size ??? View full size For those of you without the history, Whitey came to me about six months ago relatively permanently.? She showed up and just sort of stayed.? When she came, she was boney (You could feel its ribs) and her long white fur was literally in huge mats all over her body. After months of feeding and brushing, I got her fur cleaned up and she put on a few pounds.? Last night I went? to feed her and found her so disoriented she couldn't even stand up, so Jeff took her to the vet this morning, and this is where the story picks up... Ok, guys.? Jeff just got back from the vet with Whitey.? Here's what we learned. (Pictures Attached.) ? She is a He? LOL ? He is about 10-12 years old. ? He has not been neutered. :( ? He has a severe inner-ear infection. ? He has a grade 3 heart murmur ? He has advanced/severe gingivitis.? Needs several teeth pulled. ? FeLV/FIV NEGATIVE. (Thank God for something!) ? He also has hyperthyroidism.? They found a benign tumor on his thyroid. ? We're starting with oral
Re: Whitey
As far as the feeling guilty is concerned--anyone who lets their cat get into that condition doesn't deserve to have an animal of any type. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Whitey View full size View full sizeFor those of you without the history, Whitey came to me about six months ago relatively permanently. She showed up and just sort of stayed. When she came, she was boney (You could feel its ribs) and her long white fur was literally in huge mats all over her body. After months of feeding and brushing, I got her fur cleaned up and she put on a few pounds. Last night I went to feed her and found her so disoriented she couldn't even stand up, so Jeff took her to the vet this morning, and this is where the story picks up... Ok, guys. Jeff just got back from the vet with Whitey. Here's what we learned. (Pictures Attached.) She is a He LOL He is about 10-12 years old. He has not been neutered. :( He has a severe inner-ear infection. He has a grade 3 heart murmur He has advanced/severe gingivitis. Needs several teeth pulled. FeLV/FIV NEGATIVE. (Thank God for something!) He also has hyperthyroidism. They found a benign tumor on his thyroid. We're starting with oral antibiotics to get the ear infection cleaned up. They drew blood for a thyroid and kidney check, as well as a fecal sample. Doc wants to get the ear infection cleared up before we start with thyroid medicine and such to make sure its not the infection causing all those other problems.He also wanted to wait on vaccines until we get everything else cleared up. They cleaned his ears and clipped his nails today. He's going back for vaccines/teeth pulling when we get the infection cleared up. Now here's the dilemma. First of all, I'm starting to feel bad about taking someone else's cat. He just wandered to the house and sorta stayed, but he does go home from time to time for a few hours, but is always at teh house at night and in the morning for food. I *think* I know who he belongs to, but I'm not certain. The vet says he must stay indoors (at least for now) due to the severe infection and his imbalance, otherwise they said he couldn't run from cats/dogs or cars, he's very much at risk right now, so he's going in my Sun Room, which I suppose will become the kitty suite. What do you guys think? I don't think I should feel bad for taking him, for the simple fact that if someone is so irresponsible a pet owner that they'd let him get in that shape, do they really care or deserve to own an animal? I really do think its in HIS best interest that he stays with me, but again, he doesn't technically belong to me, so its a dilemma. What do you guys think? Another issue I'm having is his FeLV negative status. With two positives in the house, what do I do? For now he's going to be isolated in the sunroom where he's safe, but if I keep him long term, should I let him back outdoors? I just don't know what to do. I really don't feel good about mixing him with the positives and exposing him to FeLV. My other negative had already been exposed before I knew. But this is a totally different situation. I could keep him isolated til he's better, then let him back out, that's one option. Another option is mixing :( I really can't see leaving him in the sunroom the rest of his life, that just wouldn't be fair. I'd appreciate input/opinions, guys. Michael -- Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
Question
How old do the kittens need to be to use advantage on them or any other flea product? Don't worry I don't use over the counter stuff. These are four and half weeks old now. Thanks! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: Whitey
I urge you to never let this cat outside again (with the obvious implication that he will never go home again). His previous people are totally irresponsible or terribly misinformed about cat care. His health depends on him staying inside. Even in one room, he is better off than in the previous conditions that resulted in his current state. I have rescued strays and decided that if anyone ever approached me I could give them the vet bill and tell them they can have the cat back after they pay the vet bill. Anyone who cared this little or who knows this little about cat care is highly unlikely to want their kitty back with this condition. No one has come looking. In one case I went to the owner's home in another city (the cat had a mirco-chip and lived in a different city than where I found him in bad shape ~ dislocated jaw and broken leg) and left the cat at my home. I did not contact the man again and did not give him the cat back. I believe these cats cross our paths for a reason. I know some might not agree but this is the path I have chosen. Laurie
Re: Question
My vet strongly recommends Frontline so I don't use any other--it may be used on kittens 8 weeks or older. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: Question How old do the kittens need to be to use advantage on them or any other flea product? Don't worry I don't use over the counter stuff. These are four and half weeks old now. Thanks! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ -- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
Re: Brian Please add him to the CLS :(
I am so sorry. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: Brian Please add him to the CLS :( I am sad to say that we lost sweet Brian today.His otitis caused severe neurological conditions.I just saw him last Thursday and he seemed to be doing so good.But he took a turn for the worse.I am so grateful that I got one more chance to give him love one more time.I will miss his beautiful soul. Sherry -- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos.
HELP! More sick kittens!
I just got another litter of kittens that have the big C wordYAY for me! One has already died today. I noticed it had blood in his stools and was bleeding inside. I know that smell and the color was yellow...yuck! One isn't looking so hot but drinking and eating. Others are doing well and playing. They came from a kill shelter from unknown sources. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: Question
Advantage and Revolution are also 8 weeks and older. Sally Davis On 10/9/07, Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vet strongly recommends Frontline so I don't use any other--it may be used on kittens 8 weeks or older. - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:10 PM *Subject:* Question How old do the kittens need to be to use advantage on them or any other flea product? Don't worry I don't use over the counter stuff. These are four and half weeks old now. Thanks! *TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker *http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/* * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue* * http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html* * http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html* * http://www.felineleukemia.org/* * http://www.petloss.com/*** TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS *https://www.paypal.com/ -- See what's new at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?NCID=AOLCMP0030001170and Make AOL Your Homepagehttp://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP0030001169 . -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: Brian Please add him to the CLS :(
Sherry, I'm so sorry Brian is gone. I remember his sweet face...You are a blessing to all the kitties you help and love. Thank you for everything you do. I still get the posts from the original list...I'm not back ,but it is not possible for me to completely close off. So many wonderful people on both lists... Responding to two lists is very time consuming... However, I just want to tell you, my heart hurts for every kitty lost and for those everywhere who love them...Glenda --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sad to say that we lost sweet Brian today.His otitis caused severe neurological conditions.I just saw him last Thursday and he seemed to be doing so good.But he took a turn for the worse.I am so grateful that I got one more chance to give him love one more time.I will miss his beautiful soul. Sherry - Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Update Re: Ember and weight loss
Thank you Jane, MC, Marylyn, Caroline, Tonya, Belinda and Wendy for your thoughts and advice. I wanted to wait for a week or so in order to report back what I hoped would be a uptick in Ember's weight. Unfortunately, she's still hanging around the general 9 1/12 pounds area. Probably optimistic of me to think that just more regular Sheba would push it up. I picked up a baby scale last week so that I can weigh her here at home. I ordered small bags of Wellness CORE, Wellness Adult Complete Health Chicken and EVO based on what y'all said. I'm going to try the EVO again in smaller portions, and since it's something of a kitten food, I'm hoping it'll help put some weight back on. If there's a problem with it, I have the Wellness options to fall back on. Marylyn, I looked at Just Born and may pick up some. I'm just unsure about mixing that and Transfer Factor, since TF has colostrum (or something colostrum-esque). Looked interesting, though, especially since they mentioned giving it to pregnant or nursing adults. Once I get the dry food (hopefully by the end of the week), I'm going to give Ember a few more weeks before I take her back in, hoping that her weight will go up. If not, I'll definitely look into the thyroid tests. My vet didn't seem to think the thyroid could be the problem, and the symptoms I've read about for kitty thyroid issues don't seem to match what's going on here, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. Thank you all again for your replies. Lance
Re: Whitey
I certainly agree with that - no guilt! The kitty needs help and wasn't getting it. He's lucky to find you. Gloria On Oct 9, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Pat Kachur wrote: As far as the feeling guilty is concerned--anyone who lets their cat get into that condition doesn't deserve to have an animal of any type. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Whitey View full size View full size For those of you without the history, Whitey came to me about six months ago relatively permanently. She showed up and just sort of stayed. When she came, she was boney (You could feel its ribs) and her long white fur was literally in huge mats all over her body. After months of feeding and brushing, I got her fur cleaned up and she put on a few pounds. Last night I went to feed her and found her so disoriented she couldn't even stand up, so Jeff took her to the vet this morning, and this is where the story picks up... Ok, guys. Jeff just got back from the vet with Whitey. Here's what we learned. (Pictures Attached.) She is a He LOL He is about 10-12 years old. He has not been neutered. :( He has a severe inner-ear infection. He has a grade 3 heart murmur He has advanced/severe gingivitis. Needs several teeth pulled. FeLV/FIV NEGATIVE. (Thank God for something!) He also has hyperthyroidism. They found a benign tumor on his thyroid. We're starting with oral antibiotics to get the ear infection cleaned up. They drew blood for a thyroid and kidney check, as well as a fecal sample.Doc wants to get the ear infection cleared up before we start with thyroid medicine and such to make sure its not the infection causing all those other problems.He also wanted to wait on vaccines until we get everything else cleared up. They cleaned his ears and clipped his nails today. He's going back for vaccines/teeth pulling when we get the infection cleared up. Now here's the dilemma. First of all, I'm starting to feel bad about taking someone else's cat. He just wandered to the house and sorta stayed, but he does go home from time to time for a few hours, but is always at teh house at night and in the morning for food. I *think* I know who he belongs to, but I'm not certain. The vet says he must stay indoors (at least for now) due to the severe infection and his imbalance, otherwise they said he couldn't run from cats/dogs or cars, he's very much at risk right now, so he's going in my Sun Room, which I suppose will become the kitty suite. What do you guys think? I don't think I should feel bad for taking him, for the simple fact that if someone is so irresponsible a pet owner that they'd let him get in that shape, do they really care or deserve to own an animal? I really do think its in HIS best interest that he stays with me, but again, he doesn't technically belong to me, so its a dilemma. What do you guys think? Another issue I'm having is his FeLV negative status. With two positives in the house, what do I do? For now he's going to be isolated in the sunroom where he's safe, but if I keep him long term, should I let him back outdoors? I just don't know what to do. I really don't feel good about mixing him with the positives and exposing him to FeLV. My other negative had already been exposed before I knew. But this is a totally different situation. I could keep him isolated til he's better, then let him back out, that's one option. Another option is mixing :( I really can't see leaving him in the sunroom the rest of his life, that just wouldn't be fair. I'd appreciate input/opinions, guys. Michael Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
Re: OT: Another Kitten Question
I would keep them on all wet and not switch between dry and wet until the diarrhea clears up. Even if it's the same brand I would do that. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/4/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: I have another question about so-called normal kittens. Does anyone know approximately how much weight they should be gaining each week? Mine are June babies and I want to do a more accurate/better job of monitoring their weight and how much they should be fed. Per my vet, and various websites: They should be 3-4 oz when born, and gain roughly 4 oz per week (1 lb per month). So a rough rule of thumb is 1 lb at 4 weeks, 2 lb at 8 weeks, 3 lb at 12 weeks. http://www.eastbayspca.org/volunteer/FelineManual.pdf In and of itself, small size is not a concern - I have fully grown female cats that weigh 5 lbs. But at some point you should have them vet checked if they are not gaining weight, or definitely if they are losing weight. I find the instructions for feeding on the backs of cans and dry food to be confusing and not very helpfulespecially if you are mixing wet and dry like me. I personally would prefer to feed nothing but wet, but I can't afford it. I give them wet once a day and free feed dry. Scales - my vet recommended pediatric scales. Like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Baby-Weight-Scale-Infant-Pet-Digital-Scales-44lbs_W0QQitemZ330172207502QQihZ014QQcategoryZ117016QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
