[Felvtalk] vaccination questions

2010-03-03 Thread Laurieskatz
I don't currently have any FeLv+ cats. I am wondering what others do about
vaccinating non FeLV+ cats.

Some of my cats are older (12/13) and some have health issues ( asthma,
pancreatitis, allergies). I really hate to vaccinate these guys for anything
(including rabies).

 

Rabies is required but Coco has a terrible reaction every time she is
vaccinated for rabies (stops eating). I know the adjuvant is the suspected
caused of VAS. I know there is an adjuvant free distemper vaccine and also
an inter nasal. I do not know if there is an adjuvant free rabies vaccine. I
also know a smaller needle is recommended for all vaccinations to keep from
injecting the skin plug into the body. 

 

I don't like to vaccinate. I know that adult cats generally do not need the
panleukopenia part of the distemper series vaccination. All of mine have
been regularly vaccinated for years, except Tessa (she has been here 18
months and vaccinated once for rabies and distemper). We tried the titer
testing but my vet discourages that (I think for cost reasons).

 

I do not vaccinate for FeLV anymore (I would if I had an FeLV+ cat living
with my others). My vet believes the initial round of FeLV vaccinations
might be sufficient for life. 

 

Would others be willing to share what you do about vaccinating? 

 

Thanks,

Laurie

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Re: [Felvtalk] vaccination questions

2010-03-03 Thread Cougar Clan
Thoughts:  Your vet (at least in KY) can certify that the cat is not  
able to be vaccinated safely.  There are pros and cons.  I've done  
this with one cat and one dog.


There is a homeopathic remedy, thuja (sp??) that used before and after  
the vaccination helps.  Copper and Thomas had problems with their  
shots--became very aggressive tiny kittens.  I gave them this and it  
really helped.  To emphasize the issue, I waited until long after  
their shots were due to get them because they came from a pine thicket  
and needed time to grow and develop.  They have.  Wonderfully.  I am  
still very careful about their shots.


Check out http://horizonvetserv.com/ for vaccination information.

On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Laurieskatz wrote:

I don't currently have any FeLv+ cats. I am wondering what others do  
about

vacci




nating non FeLV+ cats.

Some of my cats are older (12/13) and some have health issues  
( asthma,
pancreatitis, allergies). I really hate to vaccinate these guys for  
anything

(including rabies).



Rabies is required but Coco has a terrible reaction every time she is
vaccinated for rabies (stops eating). I know the adjuvant is the  
suspected
caused of VAS. I know there is an adjuvant free distemper vaccine  
and also
an inter nasal. I do not know if there is an adjuvant free rabies  
vaccine. I
also know a smaller needle is recommended for all vaccinations to  
keep from

injecting the skin plug into the body.



I don't like to vaccinate. I know that adult cats generally do not  
need the
panleukopenia part of the distemper series vaccination. All of mine  
have
been regularly vaccinated for years, except Tessa (she has been here  
18
months and vaccinated once for rabies and distemper). We tried the  
titer

testing but my vet discourages that (I think for cost reasons).



I do not vaccinate for FeLV anymore (I would if I had an FeLV+ cat  
living
with my others). My vet believes the initial round of FeLV  
vaccinations

might be sufficient for life.



Would others be willing to share what you do about vaccinating?



Thanks,

Laurie

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Re: [Felvtalk] vaccination questions

2010-03-03 Thread Belinda Sauro
  I have asked my vet for a pass on vaccinations, my youngest is 8 yrs 
old and they have had enough vaccinations to be good for life.  I also 
have several with health issues.  She has OK'd it and so far no problems.


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Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

2010-03-03 Thread lernermichelle
PureVax makes a rabies vaccine with no adjuvant. That is what I get my cats. 
It's more expensive and it lasts only one year instead of 3, but is supposed to 
have no risk of vaccine-associated sarcoma so I think it is worth it.

I only revaccinate yearly because my town has cat licensing AND I am well-known 
to (and disliked by) the animal control officer because I got a TNR ordinance 
passed and run a TNR group. So I go by the book when it comes to my town's 
licensing ordinance in order to avoid any problems! I personally do not think 
cats need rabies updates on the schedule that is required by law, especially if 
they are indoor cats. Challenge studies have shown even one rabies vaccination 
to often last 4 years (without boostering). But I follow the law in my town, 
and try to mitigate any negative effects by only using PureVax.

PureVax also makes an adjuvant free FeLV vaccine-- that one does not even use a 
needle! It's an air gun of some kind. It makes a little popping noise and 
pushes the vaccine under the skin. When I had positives, I got it for my one 
negative every year, even though I kept them separated, just in case. After my 
last positive died I stopped getting him FeLV vaccine because he stays inside.

Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

2010-03-03 Thread Barb Moermond
My clinic switched to the Purevax a few years ago because they'd been getting a 
LOT of reactions to the 3 year shot.
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his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 
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From: lernermiche...@aol.com lernermiche...@aol.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 12:25:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

PureVax makes a rabies vaccine with no adjuvant. That is what I get my cats. 
It's more expensive and it lasts only one year instead of 3, but is supposed to 
have no risk of vaccine-associated sarcoma so I think it is worth it.

I only revaccinate yearly because my town has cat licensing AND I am well-known 
to (and disliked by) the animal control officer because I got a TNR ordinance 
passed and run a TNR group. So I go by the book when it comes to my town's 
licensing ordinance in order to avoid any problems! I personally do not think 
cats need rabies updates on the schedule that is required by law, especially if 
they are indoor cats. Challenge studies have shown even one rabies vaccination 
to often last 4 years (without boostering). But I follow the law in my town, 
and try to mitigate any negative effects by only using PureVax.

PureVax also makes an adjuvant free FeLV vaccine-- that one does not even use a 
needle! It's an air gun of some kind. It makes a little popping noise and 
pushes the vaccine under the skin. When I had positives, I got it for my one 
negative every year, even though I kept them separated, just in case. After my 
last positive died I stopped getting him FeLV vaccine because he stays inside.

Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: vaccination questions

2010-03-03 Thread Avia Rauscher
You can have titre tests done to check the level of antibody in the cat's 
system. I would say just forgo the vaccinations and/or titres if you are sure 
that the cat won't be hospitalized or boarded. Many vet hospitals and boarding 
facilities will not allow an animal to be admitted without proof of 
vaccination. While a certificate from your vet may get you past any state laws 
(like in NY) that require rabies vaccination, vet hospitals and boarding 
facilities are breeding grounds for germs and your kitty may end up exposed and 
unprotected. My vet pointed this out to me when I brought Horus (who has 
asthma)  Blackie in for their annuals and questioned annual vaccinations.

Avia


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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: vaccination questions

2010-03-03 Thread Barb Moermond
Both of my babies are due for check-ups and I had them run estimates on titres 
and shots etc.  I personally believe that vaccinations should be reserved for 
when they're needed medically.  I have signed legal waivers in the past to 
forgo the rabies shots for my boys.  But when cost is an issue, things get 
complicated.

current prices @ my clinic:

FVRCP and rabies are each $22

The titre test for panleuk runs $47.50 (venipuncture charge here is $21.24, but 
they're pulling blood for the CBCs etc, so it's a wash).

The titre test for rabies? $130
 
It really really really bothers me that the medically reasonable course is over 
five times the cost
so while i really believe that a titre before a vaccination is the way to go, i 
simply can't afford it right now (we're condo-shopping).  and i certainly can't 
do what i used to and take both kits in at the same time for check-ups!


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My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living 
his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 
- Anonymous





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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 1:40:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Subject:  vaccination questions

You can have titre tests done to check the level of antibody in the cat's 
system. I would say just forgo the vaccinations and/or titres if you are sure 
that the cat won't be hospitalized or boarded. Many vet hospitals and boarding 
facilities will not allow an animal to be admitted without proof of 
vaccination. While a certificate from your vet may get you past any state laws 
(like in NY) that require rabies vaccination, vet hospitals and boarding 
facilities are breeding grounds for germs and your kitty may end up exposed and 
unprotected. My vet pointed this out to me when I brought Horus (who has 
asthma)  Blackie in for their annuals and questioned annual vaccinations.

Avia


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[Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat

2010-03-03 Thread Trish Sebben

Hi,

My foster kitty, Zelda, has been diagnosed FeLV+ (snap test and IFA). I am 
seeking advice on the best way to care for Zelda, who is about a year old and 
has no symptoms, and also looking for resources and ideas for adoption. She has 
had extensive bloodwork, and our vet says she is an otherwise healthy girl.

Any advice, particularly regarding adoption resources for FeLV+ cats, would be 
greatly appreciated. She has a home here as long as she needs it, and I will 
move mountains if necessary to find an adoptive home for her. She currently has 
her own room at my house, but I can tell she is a social girl, and she deserves 
a home of her own. I have four FeLV negative cats of my own, and don't want her 
to spend her life in a small room by herself.

I am observing normal sanitary protocols - she is separate from my cats with no 
contact, and I thoroughly wash up when entering and leaving her room.

Right now she is being treated for bartonella, which all of the cats from the 
colony she came from have tested positive for, and is two weeks into her three 
week treatment. We also treated her for coccydia.  She's been spayed and 
vaccinated.

Is there anything else I should be doing for her besides providing a warm, 
quiet environment and lots of love?
Thanks for any info you can provide - this is my rescue's first FeLV case. It 
was suggested that I send her to sanctuary, but I see that option as a last 
resort, and don't want to turn my back so quickly on this sweet girl who has 
put her trust in me.

Thanks!

Trish

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Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

2010-03-03 Thread Cougar Clan
Thanks for the information re the FeLVI have concerns about my  
boys not being vaccinated because of the what-ifs associated with  
travel and .well..thanks.  Having lost Dixie to this and being  
inclined to help out cats with no caregivers, the boys safety is a  
concern.

On Mar 3, 2010, at 12:25 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

PureVax makes a rabies vaccine with no adjuvant. That is what I get  
my cats. It's more expensive and it lasts only one year instead of  
3, but is supposed to have no risk of vaccine-associated sarcoma so  
I think it is worth it.


I only revaccinate yearly because my town has cat licensing AND I am  
well-known to (and disliked by) the animal control officer because I  
got a TNR ordinance passed and run a TNR group. So I go by the book  
when it comes to my town's licensing ordinance in order to avoid any  
problems! I personally do not think cats need rabies updates on the  
schedule that is required by law, especially if they are indoor  
cats. Challenge studies have shown even one rabies vaccination to  
often last 4 years (without boostering). But I follow the law in my  
town, and try to mitigate any negative effects by only using PureVax.


PureVax also makes an adjuvant free FeLV vaccine-- that one does not  
even use a needle! It's an air gun of some kind. It makes a little  
popping noise and pushes the vaccine under the skin. When I had  
positives, I got it for my one negative every year, even though I  
kept them separated, just in case. After my last positive died I  
stopped getting him FeLV vaccine because he stays inside.


Michelle
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[Felvtalk] ringworm

2010-03-03 Thread Emeraldkittee
just wondering if anyone had a FeLV baby with ringworm?  Whimsy is not inside 
yet, but has started to yank his own fur out - he's got a few red spots 
suddenly that look similiar to scraped knees in people.  I'm planning on doing 
a skin scrape per my vet's instructions but I'm concerned if a) the test takes 
time to send to a lab is ok to bring him in? b) I won't be able to bathe him / 
nor do the sulfar dips, so it would have to be oral meds c) can I treat him 
while he's outside for this? 
 
I can't risk our whole household being infected especially with two other 
immune supressed kitties. 
 
ugh, this throws a curve ball into the plan.  This just started about 1 wk ago 
with lesions appearing about 3 days ago.  I was hoping to get him back to the 
vet and inside over the next week.
 
Thanks so much, these posts are so helpful and interesting.
Shannon
 
anyone else's experiences would be interesting to hear.


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat

2010-03-03 Thread Cougar Clan
Consider another FeLV+ cat if adoption takes too long.  You can save a  
life, help both cats live happily and  well, two are always  
easier than one.

On Mar 3, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Trish Sebben wrote:



Hi,

My foster kitty, Zelda, has been diagnosed FeLV+ (snap test and  
IFA). I am seeking advice on the best way to care for Zelda, who is  
about a year old and has no symptoms, and also looking for resources  
and ideas for adoption. She has had extensive bloodwork, and our vet  
says she is an otherwise healthy girl.


Any advice, particularly regarding adoption resources for FeLV+  
cats, would be greatly appreciated. She has a home here as long as  
she needs it, and I will move mountains if necessary to find an  
adoptive home for her. She currently has her own room at my house,  
but I can tell she is a social girl, and she deserves a home of her  
own. I have four FeLV negative cats of my own, and don't want her to  
spend her life in a small room by herself.


I am observing normal sanitary protocols - she is separate from my  
cats with no contact, and I thoroughly wash up when entering and  
leaving her room.


Right now she is being treated for bartonella, which all of the cats  
from the colony she came from have tested positive for, and is two  
weeks into her three week treatment. We also treated her for  
coccydia.  She's been spayed and vaccinated.


Is there anything else I should be doing for her besides providing a  
warm, quiet environment and lots of love?
Thanks for any info you can provide - this is my rescue's first FeLV  
case. It was suggested that I send her to sanctuary, but I see that  
option as a last resort, and don't want to turn my back so quickly  
on this sweet girl who has put her trust in me.


Thanks!

Trish

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Re: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat

2010-03-03 Thread create_me_new
Hi Trish! I mix my FeVL
 Cats with my negative cats. I have for years with no problem. I simply 
vaccinate my negatives every 6 months. I am so happy to know your group has 
decided to give this kitty a chance. So many rescues simply euthanize them.
Beth
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-Original Message-
From: Trish Sebben trishseb...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:18:59 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat


Hi,

My foster kitty, Zelda, has been diagnosed FeLV+ (snap test and IFA). I am 
seeking advice on the best way to care for Zelda, who is about a year old and 
has no symptoms, and also looking for resources and ideas for adoption. She has 
had extensive bloodwork, and our vet says she is an otherwise healthy girl.

Any advice, particularly regarding adoption resources for FeLV+ cats, would be 
greatly appreciated. She has a home here as long as she needs it, and I will 
move mountains if necessary to find an adoptive home for her. She currently has 
her own room at my house, but I can tell she is a social girl, and she deserves 
a home of her own. I have four FeLV negative cats of my own, and don't want her 
to spend her life in a small room by herself.

I am observing normal sanitary protocols - she is separate from my cats with no 
contact, and I thoroughly wash up when entering and leaving her room.

Right now she is being treated for bartonella, which all of the cats from the 
colony she came from have tested positive for, and is two weeks into her three 
week treatment. We also treated her for coccydia.  She's been spayed and 
vaccinated.

Is there anything else I should be doing for her besides providing a warm, 
quiet environment and lots of love?
Thanks for any info you can provide - this is my rescue's first FeLV case. It 
was suggested that I send her to sanctuary, but I see that option as a last 
resort, and don't want to turn my back so quickly on this sweet girl who has 
put her trust in me.

Thanks!

Trish

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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

2010-03-03 Thread Diane Tyler
I've had lots of success using Program for ringworm. I've used it twice:
this year and several years ago for groups of four or more cats. The dosage
suggestions can be found at this website:

http://www.vetinfo.com/cringwrm.html

I know lots of people might not agree that this is an effective treatment,
but again, it has worked for me and is certainly a lot less stressful than
bathing or dipping.

Good luck!

Diane

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.comwrote:

 just wondering if anyone had a FeLV baby with ringworm?  Whimsy is not
 inside yet, but has started to yank his own fur out - he's got a few red
 spots suddenly that look similiar to scraped knees in people.  I'm planning
 on doing a skin scrape per my vet's instructions but I'm concerned if a) the
 test takes time to send to a lab is ok to bring him in? b) I won't be able
 to bathe him / nor do the sulfar dips, so it would have to be oral meds c)
 can I treat him while he's outside for this?

 I can't risk our whole household being infected especially with two other
 immune supressed kitties.

 ugh, this throws a curve ball into the plan.  This just started about 1 wk
 ago with lesions appearing about 3 days ago.  I was hoping to get him back
 to the vet and inside over the next week.

 Thanks so much, these posts are so helpful and interesting.
 Shannon

 anyone else's experiences would be interesting to hear.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat

2010-03-03 Thread Emeraldkittee
I just wanted to say how much I commend you and your rescue group for not 
making euthanasia an option! that is soo heartening to hear!  I hope the 
perfect solution comes together for you both.
 
Shannon

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Trish Sebben trishseb...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Trish Sebben trishseb...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:18 PM



Hi,

My foster kitty, Zelda, has been diagnosed FeLV+ (snap test and IFA). I am 
seeking advice on the best way to care for Zelda, who is about a year old and 
has no symptoms, and also looking for resources and ideas for adoption. She has 
had extensive bloodwork, and our vet says she is an otherwise healthy girl.

Any advice, particularly regarding adoption resources for FeLV+ cats, would be 
greatly appreciated. She has a home here as long as she needs it, and I will 
move mountains if necessary to find an adoptive home for her. She currently has 
her own room at my house, but I can tell she is a social girl, and she deserves 
a home of her own. I have four FeLV negative cats of my own, and don't want her 
to spend her life in a small room by herself.

I am observing normal sanitary protocols - she is separate from my cats with no 
contact, and I thoroughly wash up when entering and leaving her room.

Right now she is being treated for bartonella, which all of the cats from the 
colony she came from have tested positive for, and is two weeks into her three 
week treatment. We also treated her for coccydia.  She's been spayed and 
vaccinated.

Is there anything else I should be doing for her besides providing a warm, 
quiet environment and lots of love?
Thanks for any info you can provide - this is my rescue's first FeLV case. It 
was suggested that I send her to sanctuary, but I see that option as a last 
resort, and don't want to turn my back so quickly on this sweet girl who has 
put her trust in me.

Thanks!

Trish

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[Felvtalk] Casper is sick

2010-03-03 Thread Frank Sue Koren
Hello everyone, it's been a while since I posted to this list but I read 
everything that's going on.
I now have two FeLV+ cats.  I lost my first positive cat to anemia in November 
of 2008.  When he came into my home and tested positive I finally decided to 
mix my positives and negatives.  Before I lost Buzz, the two positive cats I 
have now came into my life.  I also have 1 FIV+ and 5 negatives in the 
household.  My negatives are all vaccinaated.  
Now Casper, who I thought was negative is acting an awful lot like Buzzy did 
when he became anemic.  I took him to the vet Monday and they did a CBC.  The 
vet was supposed to call yesterday with the results but did not.  : (
They also requested a re-test for FeLV.  I wish now that I had just asked them 
to do the snap test at the office, at least I would know.  If Casper has turned 
positive I will never forgive myself.
Sue
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Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is sick

2010-03-03 Thread Sally Davis
Frank,

I will pray for Casper to be negative. I hope you are able to resolve his
illness quickly. I mixed my cats none of the negatives became positive. Some
of them had exposure to Felv before I knew what was going on. So they
probably had a natural immunity. But fate added two more after this all
started. They were vaccinated and remain healthy. I no longer have any
positives. Unlike others in this group mine did not live long. Only junior
survived for two years,

Years ago however I lost a cat to this disease before testing was routine.
He was at least 11 and I am sure he had it all his life. He was always
somewhat sickly. Best cat I ever had.

Sally in VA



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Re: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat

2010-03-03 Thread Susan Hoffman
Yes, thsnk you and your group for roling with the punches and taking on the 
task of fostering and finding a home for an FeLV+ cat.  Let me offer a glimmer 
of hope -- We recently had a handsome Siamese boy tesrt FeLV+  We figured we 
would have to send him to Michael at Second Chance Meows (thank you Michael!) 
but we decided to also list him for adoption via normal routes (Petfinder and 
craigslist) and we actually found a wonderful home for him.  The woman who is 
adopting Sumo saw him on petfinder.  So i would really suggest going through 
the usual adoption channels, write a great bio, get great photos.  And just 
work it the way you would any other adoption.  Magic happpens.  Be open to the 
possibility.

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:29 PM
 I just wanted to say how much I
 commend you and your rescue group for not making euthanasia
 an option! that is soo heartening to hear!  I hope the
 perfect solution comes together for you both.
  
 Shannon
 
 --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Trish Sebben trishseb...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 
 From: Trish Sebben trishseb...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:18 PM
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 My foster kitty, Zelda, has been diagnosed FeLV+ (snap test
 and IFA). I am seeking advice on the best way to care for
 Zelda, who is about a year old and has no symptoms, and also
 looking for resources and ideas for adoption. She has had
 extensive bloodwork, and our vet says she is an otherwise
 healthy girl.
 
 Any advice, particularly regarding adoption resources for
 FeLV+ cats, would be greatly appreciated. She has a home
 here as long as she needs it, and I will move mountains if
 necessary to find an adoptive home for her. She currently
 has her own room at my house, but I can tell she is a social
 girl, and she deserves a home of her own. I have four FeLV
 negative cats of my own, and don't want her to spend her
 life in a small room by herself.
 
 I am observing normal sanitary protocols - she is separate
 from my cats with no contact, and I thoroughly wash up when
 entering and leaving her room.
 
 Right now she is being treated for bartonella, which all of
 the cats from the colony she came from have tested positive
 for, and is two weeks into her three week treatment. We also
 treated her for coccydia.  She's been spayed and
 vaccinated.
 
 Is there anything else I should be doing for her besides
 providing a warm, quiet environment and lots of love?
 Thanks for any info you can provide - this is my rescue's
 first FeLV case. It was suggested that I send her to
 sanctuary, but I see that option as a last resort, and don't
 want to turn my back so quickly on this sweet girl who has
 put her trust in me.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Trish
 
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