Re: [Felvtalk] Gary - info on acemannan, etc (web file storage info pass on)
Hello all, I've been lurking but haven't introduced myself yet. (I will soon.) Was reading up and wanted to pass on some info regarding file sharing. You might want to consider using an online service to share files . Would make it easier I think. One is called https://www.dropbox.com/ which is stable, works for both mac and pc plus is free up to 2 MB, (it does costs $ for larger storage amounts. Although, if you run out of space, you can just set up an account with another email address.) I use it all the time. Hope that helps. Dana Share something interesting today. --- www.twitter.com/smallspark --- On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:48 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: Jenny, Nothing was attached to this email, I don't know if the list allows attachments. Could you send the stuff directly to me a gcru...@centurytel.net please. Thanks, Gary -- From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:11 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gary - info on acemannan,etc okay, I have been trying to send this but it's too big to go through so I copied and pasted onto a word document the abstracts of four articles relating to acemannan (or related polysaccharides and viral infections) These were really to answer the specific question of oral mannose versus IP injection but if you want more articles on acemannan itself I can get them for you. Hope it helps. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Well actually dandelion has some nice therapeutic benefits. And they MIGHt consent to cheese. But I've never had one consent to hot sauce! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: c'mon, gloria, tell me you wouldn't try it, too, if you thought it'd work! (and my first calico LOVED hot sauce, so who can tell--of course, i'd boil the dandelions first to remove the bitterness.) On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.netwrote: Good luck feeding your cats dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce... -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy
Thanks, Mary Christine for all your tips and info! Yes, Ring-around-the-worm is no fun! I've been using tea tree soaps, shampoos and the oil itself, and also taking lots of olive leaf just in case. can't hurt! --- On Sat, 4/17/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 12:47 AM along that same vine, when you catch ringyworm FROM your cats (which can happen even without them having any symptoms if you're susceptible--maybe i AM genetically a persian, after all.) miconazole works great for the human, too as will any over-the-counter fungal cream, actually. i always forget about gentian violet, tho i think that i have always related it more to burns than to other skin problems (actually, i just always loved the sound of, gentian violet as a term.) MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy
that's interesting, I might have to get some to have on hand. (or on paw!) He runs from the smell of golden seal and he won't sit still enough for the gentian violet I bought - seeing that it's so purple and he's so wiggly, I haven't just tried to get what I could on him, for fear I would end up going to work looking like Barney --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 10:05 PM Interesting. I'm always a believer in Gentian Violet for ringworm and skin problems as well as Golden Seal. I first learned about Gentian Violet because when my dad was burned in the mid 1940's they used on some of his skin problems. Then in the 1950's my grandmother said to use it on ringworm. Guess my point is it's an old remedy lol. Anyhow, I have a siamese mix kitty, Dusty Blue, who's developed these weird skin problems that developed over the winter and into spring. Too much for Gentian Violet, which rubs purple on it's surroundings; and Golden Seal didn't work. One of our vets said here try this. And it was miconazole. So whenever I see a spot developing on Dusty's back or belly, I head for the Myconazol. I don't bathe him in it, just get a wet cloth and put some on it and then on Dusty. Works great. And none of the other cats have gotten it, whatever it is. Think it's almost gone. Gloria On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Emeraldkittee wrote: thanks, Heather, yes I think it's looking like seasonal allergies since it was triggered when we had our first snow melt. I didn't know him last Spring so I cannot tell what he went thru then. good reasons to bring him in:) --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 8:56 AM This sounds similar to a lot of allergy, or flea allergy, hair loss we've seen in outdoor cats here. Even if there aren't apparent fleas, allergic reactions can be triggered by just oneand of course, it could also be seasonal type allergies. Glad he is doing well! On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.comwrote: yes, and I brought up demodex too, but they said it wasn't that. I brought my gentian violet to show the vet and she said 'why not' - she's a great dr, because she is open to new ideas. he is a survivior :) and it's an honor to care for him:) --- On Thu, 4/15/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:50 PM This sounds very good. Did the vet ever suggest demodex mite as the cause of the itching and fur loss? My vet says it's almost impossible to test for ringworm. He doesn't even test anymore. He tends to treat small patches with human fungal cream and larger patches with an oral medication. Whimsy sounds like a survivor! Thanks for taking care of him! L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy Whimsy - (the outdoor, used to be feral FeLV little boy who had a scary jerking/twitching episode a few weeks back you might recall) - had his check up and everything was normal. His bloodwork and stool came back normal too. His skin has been his only issue - he was bald on the left side, then the right, now it's down to his tail. This is the 8th week of this, and I had figured it was ringworm. He has no fleas nor mites, and the clinic didn't think it was ringworm, but of course tested him (it's ongoing, for those who aren't familiar - they put it in a jar, and see if it grows) It may have been self limiting and somehow he cleared it. Or, it could be severe allergies. He is a long hair (so hard to be an outside baby with long fur!) and matted so severely in the winter (before I could touch him) that it's also possible this is why there was hair loss. His itching is severe but the skin now is normal (used to have lesions) He hates fish oil, I was hoping he would take it to soothe the inflamation. My vet was surprised that everything was normal, since his IFA was positive, too. Or, can it be that if the immune system is just so out of whack it can't even register in the bloodwork? His heart/lungs/lymph nodes, etc are all normal too. We think he is just under 2 years old. He lost 7 ounces, but that was since the neutering in Jan, and could be normal. He's got a set up in the shed, but likes to sleep right on the patio and back door stoop; I am also showing him the sunroom,
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Hello This is my first post. 5 of 7 of my inner circle tested positive for feline leukemia using the more reliable test (per the vet). She advised 1 ml of acylovir twice a week plus 1 ml Hy-Vite drops twice a week. The following caught my attention: I know that they put cats on the HIV/AIDS cocktails of AZT and other drugs they use in humans; and continue to insist that the research that most researchers have come to accept is wrong. Feline leukmeia is totally new water. An outside feral was highly lethargic progressing into distress for reasons unknown. He tested positive. He had a two week access to a rescue kitten which later became part of my inner circle. I noticed increasing in size lymph nodes in her neck in early February. She tested positive. Her decline was precipitous. On March 1, I tested the rest of the inner circle, all adults but one of similar age to ToriRose, deceased - - approx 10 months now. Please comment on acyclovir. I am doing Evo for half of meals supplemented with vitamin C, DHA/EPA, raw egg yolk and raw liver plus the acyclovir and Hy-Vite drops. THANK YOU. m _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv
I did a little searching and found a more detailed paper on what was done with these few cats using antioxidant therapy and resulting change in viral status to negative. I copied and pasted it. EXAMPLES In vivo testing was performed to demonstrate the startling effectiveness of the treatment methods described herein. A series of laboratory tests were conducted on retrovirus-infected cats. In the preferred treatment regimen, the animal suffering from HIV(+), is administered relatively large doses of both water-soluble and fat-soluble antioxidants such as Vitamins C, A and E; an effective amount of at least one glutathione precursor such as N-acetyl cysteine; followed by an NFKB induction inhibitor such as one or more anti-inflammatory steroids or lazaroids. As summarized. in Table 4 below, seven cats heavily infected with HIV or FIV were treated according to the methods described and claimed herein. Each cat weighed approximately 10 to about 18 pounds. The cats were initially treated with a single dosage of an effective amount of an NFKB induction inhibitor, that is an anti-inflammatory steroid dose of DEPO-MEDROL (20-25 mg) and a series of oral dosages of a glutathione precursor, N-acetyl cysteine. The amount of N-acetyl cysteine administered with food to each cat was 1,200 mg per day. In addition, large dosages of fat-soluble and water-soluble antibxidants, Vitamins E, C, and A were administered to the cats orally every day by mixing in cat food. Vitamin E was administered at a dosage of 400 IU per day to each cat and Vitamin C was administered at a level of 500 mg per day to each cat. Vitamins A, K, and copper and zinc were also administered via 1 PET TABS per day to each cat. PET TABS is a commercially available multivitamin for pets such as cats, and is available from Smith-Kline Beecham. The treated cats: were monitored by ELISA assay for feline leukemia viruses antigen/feline immunodeficiency virus antibody test (CITE PRO COMBO: Programmed Biodetection available from IDEXX Corp. of Portland, Me.) for about two weeks. Of the seven cats tested, all seven appeared to have been cured from their earlier infection of feline leukemia, feline AIDS or both. The treatment process lasted one to two months of continual treatment with N-acetyl cysteine and high dosages of Vitamins C, E and A and periodic administration of anti-inflammatory steroids. TABLE 4 EFFECT OF ANTIRETROVIRAL THERAPY ON RETROVIRUS-INFECTED CATS Age Sex Name Assay Symptoms Assay 8 F Champagne FELV(+), hair loss, lost teeth FELV(-), FIV(+) FIV(-) 8 M Precious FELV(+), vomiting, dental FELV(-), FIV(+) problems FIV(-) 9 F Missy FELV(+), Bloody diarrhea, FELV(-), FIV(+) problems dental FIV(-) 11 M Sampson FIV(+) vomiting, gum red FIV(-) 8 M Josey FELV(+) teeth loss, no FELV(-)appetite, lungproblem 10 M Patch FIV(+) poor appetite, FIV(-)lethargy 12 M Bud FIV(+) weight loss, no FIV(-) appetite Notes 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPO-MEDROL (anti-inflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered N-acetyl cysteine, 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champagne, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems, bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retrovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. Treatments were performed by a licensed veterinarian. The treatment methods were also performed by a second veterinarian. The second set of treatments were also successful. In an optional treatment regimen, to be followed when the animal suffering from HIV(+), is exhibiting AIDS (that is, a T-lymphocyte or CD 4 lymphocyte count less than 100 cells/mm 3 ), relatively large doses of both water-soluble and fat-soluble antioxidants and an effective amount of at least one glutathione precursor such as N-acetyl cysteine are administered. Before an NFKB induction inhibitor is administered, the CD 4 (T-lymphocyte) count is increased to about 100 cells/mm 3 or
[Felvtalk] new to the list and to FeLV (litter eating)
Hello I've just joined your list and have what might be an odd, maybe even really odd, question. I looked through the archives a bit but couldn't find a similar thread, so I apologize if there has been and I missed it. I work for a program that provides support (food pantry, vet vouchers, pet wellness clinics, education and in-home care) to folks living with HIV and AIDS to allow them to keep their pets at home with them when the financial and physical constraints of their illness might not otherwise allow them to. A number of our people have FeLV and FIV+ cats and while I'm somewhat familiar with FIV, having a FIV+ cat myself, I know nothing about FeLV and I'd like to learn from the list how to help my members better care for their + cats. I received a call from a client who is concerned about her FeLV cat - Precious has been somewhat more lethargic than usual but, most disturbingly to my client is that she has started, out of the blue, to eat cat litter. She wonders if this is something that FeLV cats do when there is a specific issue going on - is she looking for nutrients she isn't getting? Is she trying to calm some GI, oral, other upset? My first thought with positive cats is to bring them to the vet, but, in this case, my client does not have the resources personally and she has exhausted her benefits through our program. I am working all the places I can think of to try to find her some financial support ultimately, but in the meantime, I wonder if nayone out there has seen this sort of behavior and what it might mean? Thanks for any thoughts you might have. Best, d Diane 518-527-5739 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] new to the list and to FeLV (litter eating)
Diane, eating litter is a classic sign of anemia. Here is the link to a Yahoo Anemia group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/ Anemia is common with FeLV+ kitties. Your client could try adding some Super B Complex, B12 and folic acid to the kitty's food. Sharyl --- On Sat, 4/17/10, Diane dianeem...@aol.com wrote: From: Diane dianeem...@aol.com Subject: [Felvtalk] new to the list and to FeLV (litter eating) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 12:13 PM Hello I've just joined your list and have what might be an odd, maybe even really odd, question. I looked through the archives a bit but couldn't find a similar thread, so I apologize if there has been and I missed it. I work for a program that provides support (food pantry, vet vouchers, pet wellness clinics, education and in-home care) to folks living with HIV and AIDS to allow them to keep their pets at home with them when the financial and physical constraints of their illness might not otherwise allow them to. A number of our people have FeLV and FIV+ cats and while I'm somewhat familiar with FIV, having a FIV+ cat myself, I know nothing about FeLV and I'd like to learn from the list how to help my members better care for their + cats. I received a call from a client who is concerned about her FeLV cat - Precious has been somewhat more lethargic than usual but, most disturbingly to my client is that she has started, out of the blue, to eat cat litter. She wonders if this is something that FeLV cats do when there is a specific issue going on - is she looking for nutrients she isn't getting? Is she trying to calm some GI, oral, other upset? My first thought with positive cats is to bring them to the vet, but, in this case, my client does not have the resources personally and she has exhausted her benefits through our program. I am working all the places I can think of to try to find her some financial support ultimately, but in the meantime, I wonder if nayone out there has seen this sort of behavior and what it might mean? Thanks for any thoughts you might have. Best, d Diane 518-527-5739 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] new to the list and to FeLV (litter eating)
The cat is eating litter because it's anemic. A cat I rescued used to eat litter too. He would also lick the ground a lot. Then one day he just stopped eating and wouldn't move. I took him to the vet and found out that he was severely anemic and felv+. --- On Sat, 4/17/10, Diane dianeem...@aol.com wrote: From: Diane dianeem...@aol.com Subject: [Felvtalk] new to the list and to FeLV (litter eating) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 9:13 AM Hello I've just joined your list and have what might be an odd, maybe even really odd, question. I looked through the archives a bit but couldn't find a similar thread, so I apologize if there has been and I missed it. I work for a program that provides support (food pantry, vet vouchers, pet wellness clinics, education and in-home care) to folks living with HIV and AIDS to allow them to keep their pets at home with them when the financial and physical constraints of their illness might not otherwise allow them to. A number of our people have FeLV and FIV+ cats and while I'm somewhat familiar with FIV, having a FIV+ cat myself, I know nothing about FeLV and I'd like to learn from the list how to help my members better care for their + cats. I received a call from a client who is concerned about her FeLV cat - Precious has been somewhat more lethargic than usual but, most disturbingly to my client is that she has started, out of the blue, to eat cat litter. She wonders if this is something that FeLV cats do when there is a specific issue going on - is she looking for nutrients she isn't getting? Is she trying to calm some GI, oral, other upset? My first thought with positive cats is to bring them to the vet, but, in this case, my client does not have the resources personally and she has exhausted her benefits through our program. I am working all the places I can think of to try to find her some financial support ultimately, but in the meantime, I wonder if nayone out there has seen this sort of behavior and what it might mean? Thanks for any thoughts you might have. Best, d Diane 518-527-5739 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] new to the list and to FeLV (litter eating)
Good for you for being there to help those very lucky clients of yours! One of the things you might think about is the UAN Lifeline grants... they can't always help, but its always worth asking... http://www.uan.org/index.cfm?navid=161 There's also the AAHA Helping Pets Fund http://www.aahanet.org/OtherSites/helpingpets.aspx And if you're near vet school, sometimes they have low cost services available.. Christiane Biagi -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] new to the list and to FeLV (litter eating) Hello I've just joined your list and have what might be an odd, maybe even really odd, question. I looked through the archives a bit but couldn't find a similar thread, so I apologize if there has been and I missed it. I work for a program that provides support (food pantry, vet vouchers, pet wellness clinics, education and in-home care) to folks living with HIV and AIDS to allow them to keep their pets at home with them when the financial and physical constraints of their illness might not otherwise allow them to. A number of our people have FeLV and FIV+ cats and while I'm somewhat familiar with FIV, having a FIV+ cat myself, I know nothing about FeLV and I'd like to learn from the list how to help my members better care for their + cats. I received a call from a client who is concerned about her FeLV cat - Precious has been somewhat more lethargic than usual but, most disturbingly to my client is that she has started, out of the blue, to eat cat litter. She wonders if this is something that FeLV cats do when there is a specific issue going on - is she looking for nutrients she isn't getting? Is she trying to calm some GI, oral, other upset? My first thought with positive cats is to bring them to the vet, but, in this case, my client does not have the resources personally and she has exhausted her benefits through our program. I am working all the places I can think of to try to find her some financial support ultimately, but in the meantime, I wonder if nayone out there has seen this sort of behavior and what it might mean? Thanks for any thoughts you might have. Best, d Diane 518-527-5739 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] new to the list and to FeLV (litter eating)
Almost all cats I know that do this are anemic. She should get her to the vet and have blood work done specifically looking for anemia and hemobartonella a virus positives are very prone to get, it comes from fleas and even if the test is negative I would start the cat on doxocycline and prednisolone. It is very, very, very hard to find the parasites on a slide, I know of cats that have been tested 5 or 6 times before they actually found the parasite, thankfully their vets put them on the doxy and pred or they may very well have died. Hemobartonella is fatal if not treated. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv
Thank you for this information, could you provide a reference, so I could review the original work? I'd also like to strongly caution that even though something looks really good in a research article, it doesn't mean it is effective or even safe, especially when it involves animal testing for use in humans. First hand experience on this one. Thanks, Terry jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: = I did a little searching and found a more detailed paper on what was done with these few cats using antioxidant therapy and resulting change in viral status to negative. I copied and pasted it. EXAMPLES In vivo testing was performed to demonstrate the startling effectiveness of the treatment methods described herein. A series of laboratory tests were conducted on retrovirus-infected cats. In the preferred treatment regimen, the animal suffering from HIV(+), is administered relatively large doses of both water-soluble and fat-soluble antioxidants such as Vitamins C, A and E; an effective amount of at least one glutathione precursor such as N-acetyl cysteine; followed by an NFKB induction inhibitor such as one or more anti-inflammatory steroids or lazaroids. As summarized. in Table 4 below, seven cats heavily infected with HIV or FIV were treated according to the methods described and claimed herein. Each cat weighed approximately 10 to about 18 pounds. The cats were initially treated with a single dosage of an effective amount of an NFKB induction inhibitor, that is an anti-inflammatory steroid dose of DEPO-MEDROL (20-25 mg) and a series of oral dosages of a glutathione precursor, N-acetyl cysteine. The amount of N-acetyl cysteine administered with food to each cat was 1,200 mg per day. In addition, large dosages of fat-soluble and water-soluble antibxidants, Vitamins E, C, and A were administered to the cats orally every day by mixing in cat food. Vitamin E was administered at a dosage of 400 IU per day to each cat and Vitamin C was administered at a level of 500 mg per day to each cat. Vitamins A, K, and copper and zinc were also administered via 1 PET TABS per day to each cat. PET TABS is a commercially available multivitamin for pets such as cats, and is available from Smith-Kline Beecham. The treated cats: were monitored by ELISA assay for feline leukemia viruses antigen/feline immunodeficiency virus antibody test (CITE PRO COMBO: Programmed Biodetection available from IDEXX Corp. of Portland, Me.) for about two weeks. Of the seven cats tested, all seven appeared to have been cured from their earlier infection of feline leukemia, feline AIDS or both. The treatment process lasted one to two months of continual treatment with N-acetyl cysteine and high dosages of Vitamins C, E and A and periodic administration of anti-inflammatory steroids. TABLE 4 EFFECT OF ANTIRETROVIRAL THERAPY ON RETROVIRUS-INFECTED CATS Age Sex Name Assay Symptoms Assay 8 F Champagne FELV(+), hair loss, lost teeth FELV(-), FIV(+) FIV(-) 8 M Precious FELV(+), vomiting, dental FELV(-), FIV(+) problems FIV(-) 9 F Missy FELV(+), Bloody diarrhea, FELV(-), FIV(+) problems dental FIV(-) 11 M Sampson FIV(+) vomiting, gum red FIV(-) 8 M Josey FELV(+) teeth loss, no FELV(-)appetite, lungproblem 10 M Patch FIV(+) poor appetite, FIV(-)lethargy 12 M Bud FIV(+) weight loss, no FIV(-) appetite Notes 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPO-MEDROL (anti-inflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered N-acetyl cysteine, 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champagne, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems, bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retrovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. Treatments were performed by a licensed veterinarian. The treatment methods were also performed by a second veterinarian. The second set of treatments were also successful. In an optional treatment regimen, to be followed when the animal
Re: [Felvtalk] new to the list and to FeLV (litter eating)
Yes that should be added along with iron, all of these can be found in Nutrived: http://www.calvetsupply.com/product/Nutrived_B_Complex_4oz/Veterinary_Nutritional_Supplements this is the best palce I have found to buy this. BUT if the anemia is because of hemobatonella this will not help, you need to have the cat on doxy or some other tetrocycline family antibiotic and prednisolone. Diane, eating litter is a classic sign of anemia. Here is the link to a Yahoo Anemia group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/ Anemia is common with FeLV+ kitties. Your client could try adding some Super B Complex, B12 and folic acid to the kitty's food. Sharyl -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Felv vaccine and booster
Is it true that the felv vaccine can cause a cat to turn positive in the future? I heard this from a friend and it shocked me because another friend has a healthy cat who received her felv vaccine and booster last year. All her pets are indoor and outdoor animals. She has 1 cat and two dogs. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv vaccine and booster
I have never heard this before and have had FELV cats since 2003, and read up on it, used to more than I do now. I seriously doubt if there's any truth to it at all. Perhaps they're getting mixed up with the FIV vaccine causing a cat to TEST positive for FIV (not turn positive though). Gloria On Apr 17, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Emma Lively wrote: Is it true that the felv vaccine can cause a cat to turn positive in the future? I heard this from a friend and it shocked me because another friend has a healthy cat who received her felv vaccine and booster last year. All her pets are indoor and outdoor animals. She has 1 cat and two dogs. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv
The patent office website says the patent for this has been abandoned (they didn't pay the fee to keep it an active patent). What I find really strange about this is that if it is such an effective treatment - why did they abandon a patent that could make them a fortune? Gary -- From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv I did a little searching and found a more detailed paper on what was done with these few cats using antioxidant therapy and resulting change in viral status to negative. I copied and pasted it. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy
My one feral loses his hair sometimes then it grows back. One of my FeLV babies took months to grow her hair back where she was shaved when she was spade. I think it is just a result of the depressed immune system. Beth --Original Message-- From: Heather Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ReplyTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy Sent: Apr 16, 2010 9:56 AM This sounds similar to a lot of allergy, or flea allergy, hair loss we've seen in outdoor cats here. Even if there aren't apparent fleas, allergic reactions can be triggered by just oneand of course, it could also be seasonal type allergies. Glad he is doing well! On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.comwrote: yes, and I brought up demodex too, but they said it wasn't that. I brought my gentian violet to show the vet and she said 'why not' - she's a great dr, because she is open to new ideas. he is a survivior :) and it's an honor to care for him:) --- On Thu, 4/15/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:50 PM This sounds very good. Did the vet ever suggest demodex mite as the cause of the itching and fur loss? My vet says it's almost impossible to test for ringworm. He doesn't even test anymore. He tends to treat small patches with human fungal cream and larger patches with an oral medication. Whimsy sounds like a survivor! Thanks for taking care of him! L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy Whimsy - (the outdoor, used to be feral FeLV little boy who had a scary jerking/twitching episode a few weeks back you might recall) - had his check up and everything was normal. His bloodwork and stool came back normal too. His skin has been his only issue - he was bald on the left side, then the right, now it's down to his tail. This is the 8th week of this, and I had figured it was ringworm. He has no fleas nor mites, and the clinic didn't think it was ringworm, but of course tested him (it's ongoing, for those who aren't familiar - they put it in a jar, and see if it grows) It may have been self limiting and somehow he cleared it. Or, it could be severe allergies. He is a long hair (so hard to be an outside baby with long fur!) and matted so severely in the winter (before I could touch him) that it's also possible this is why there was hair loss. His itching is severe but the skin now is normal (used to have lesions) He hates fish oil, I was hoping he would take it to soothe the inflamation. My vet was surprised that everything was normal, since his IFA was positive, too. Or, can it be that if the immune system is just so out of whack it can't even register in the bloodwork? His heart/lungs/lymph nodes, etc are all normal too. We think he is just under 2 years old. He lost 7 ounces, but that was since the neutering in Jan, and could be normal. He's got a set up in the shed, but likes to sleep right on the patio and back door stoop; I am also showing him the sunroom, and he's slowly checking it out, so I hope he can stay in there. He's no longer terrified of ceilings, but only cautious, and is understanding that 'inside is good'. Every time I take him to the vet, he gets more loving, like he knows we are trying to help him. I guess I will take his results as good news for now, and try to be as preventative as we can. thanks for everyone's help. He's such an adorable character, with a high pitched meeew and jade green eyes. And he knows his daddy now too, and made sure he fell in love with him too (he seemed to know that was the ticket to getting 'in') Shannon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
