Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

2010-12-20 Thread Lorrie
Laura, I feel for you I had one like that!  He tore up all my
other cats, and it got so bad I had to keep him in one section of our
house. He was about two when we rescued him and we had to do this for
ten years until he finally got so old he decided he'd rather sleep 
than fight!

Lorrie

 On 12-19, LauraM wrote:
 I can handle a few spats. I can no longer handle the aggression
  displayed by one of my cats towards several of the others. It's so
  bad that I'm seriously considering? rehoming him into a single-cat
  household. Blizzard will literally try to kill Jet, Percy, Charlie
  and Tiger. They have to be kept separate at all times - 





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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

2010-12-20 Thread Lorrie
Natalie, I'd like to hear about your method of introductions. 
and I'd love to know how many cats you have. I assume you must
rescue too.

I have what I think is an excellent set up here. I have an entire
little guest cottage attached to our house that has never housed
guests other than cats :-) I have a screen door on the front and a
new cat lives in there for a few weeks while the other cats look at
him/her sniff, hiss etc.  When I finally let the new cat out they
are already well acquainted with my other cats.

I also own a cageless no kill shelter in a large building I bought in
town.  This is also for rescued cats, who can roam through 4 large
rooms furnished second hand furniture, cat condos etc. Oddly enough
the cats there get along fine, so I wonder if my cats at home are
fighting for my attention??  I give them all pets, kisses, bushing
and lap time, but when several cats want to get on my lap at once all
hell breaks loose :-(

Lorrie 

12-19, Natalie wrote:

 We probably have the largest number of cats!  Everyone gets along
 because of the way I introduce new ones.  There are a few cats who
 would love to be the only cat, but have learned to co-exist. 
 They know each others' space and respect it.  Once in a while,
 there's a little melee...nothing serious! Some make individual
 friends, others make group friends..a few are loners. They are so
 grateful to have a roof over their heads, a warm dry place to crash
 and plenty of food - some don't even use the outdoor enclosure(s)
 during the warm months!
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

2010-12-20 Thread Heather
My bf and I care for over 20 feral cat colonies a day (around 143 cats) and
what I see in the colonies is much more peaceful than what is going on in my
packed condo.   I do see some scuffles perhaps at larger colonies or those
in problematic spots, but most cohabitate pretty well though their
preference would be to each have their own feeding dish or pile of food
which is not always possible.  That's mainly when we see scuffles, or if an
unneutered male shows up (until they are done).

Of course once they finish eating, they've got all the room in the world to
spread out and ignore each other if desired so that is probably the key.

My place is a battle zone but it's definitely an issue of too little space.

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

 Wow, Lorrie, good for you for taking in 14 felines!
 I often wonder how these cat colonies one reads about manage, for I've
 never seen a totally peaceful group.  In my experience, everyone finds
 their spot where they are comfortable and secure, then that's it.  One
 furry body out of place and the whole bunch get in a tizzy.  But, as I told
 my little clan this morning while it was pouring rain outside, At least you
 guys are warm, dry, safe and don't have to hunt for your next meal.  So it
 beats the alternative!
 ~Bonnie
 - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along



 None of my cats sleep together either. They are affectionate with me,
 but not each other. They either ignore each other or have hiss, spit,
 yowling arguments along with a few well placed swats at each other.

 I wonder if this is because all 14 of my cats were rescues who all
 arrived here at different times. None of them were kittens who grew
 up together, tho some were kittens when I took them in. The kittens
 are accepted better by the others, and the most difficult cats to
 introduce are grown males who remain a threat to my other males even
 tho they've been neutered immediately.  Our house is large, and they
 have plenty of room, toys, climbing trees, cat condos as well as port
 holes to three outside enclosures.  You'd think this would make them
 happy, but the tension in our household is ongoing, unless all 14
 happen to be sleeping at the same time :-(

 Lorrie

 On 12-15, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
 Beverly
 Oh, how I long for a home like yours! I agree about the intro, and
 I've tried to do it right with everyone.  The most recent one was
 Lucky, and he's doing well and seems accepted by all. But there are
 tensions, especially between Stormy and the other girl, Miya Chan
 (she's a rehabilitated feral).  I think boy cats are mellower, more
 accepting.  I would love to see everyone curled up together on the
 couch or my bed, or playing together.  Sigh. Thanks for another
 perspective! Bonnie


 - Original Message - From: Beverly

 Hi Bonnie,
 
 I must beg to differ that most cats prefer to be the only!  I have
 five male cats (aged fifteen years to six months) in our small
 apartment and they are all best buds.  They rumble and tumble and
 play, and curl up and sleep together when they get tired.  I don't
 think any of them would do well as an only cat.  Most of my
 friends and family also have multiple cats that are great friends.
 
 It's all about the introduction - a slow, careful introduction of
 a new cat to the resident cats can lead to a very happy
 relationship.
 
 Just my two cents.
 
 Beverly


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

2010-12-20 Thread Natalie
Yes, rescue group since 1992.
I have over 70 cats - in our house.  Huge garage, built condos there, and
they have outdoor enclosures for warmer weather. I use full-spectrum lights
and no one has been sick in years (unless they come in with something).
I put two large cages together, door to door, one half is for sleeping and
food, the other half for litter box. Liter boxes have holes punched on
edges, tied to cage with twistemsno horrible accidents with the whole
box tippedThen I use this double cage wherever the cat needs to be
introduced. Siometimes, it takes only a few days.  Then I open the cage, and
the new cat can use it freely fo privacy or not.  Most often, all the other
cats get into the cage (they love it!).
We also have built a screen door between a TV room and a bathroom where we
either introduce new cats to the others, or keep them when they're sick and
need to be medicated.  That way, they don't feel alone and can communicate
with other cats through the screen door.  I found a good site which I sent
it to the felvtalk group the other day - but it may have been too large and
not have gone through. Did you get it?
Am rushing right now - vet visits all afternoon.
Natalie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 8:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

Natalie, I'd like to hear about your method of introductions. 
and I'd love to know how many cats you have. I assume you must
rescue too.

I have what I think is an excellent set up here. I have an entire
little guest cottage attached to our house that has never housed
guests other than cats :-) I have a screen door on the front and a
new cat lives in there for a few weeks while the other cats look at
him/her sniff, hiss etc.  When I finally let the new cat out they
are already well acquainted with my other cats.

I also own a cageless no kill shelter in a large building I bought in
town.  This is also for rescued cats, who can roam through 4 large
rooms furnished second hand furniture, cat condos etc. Oddly enough
the cats there get along fine, so I wonder if my cats at home are
fighting for my attention??  I give them all pets, kisses, bushing
and lap time, but when several cats want to get on my lap at once all
hell breaks loose :-(

Lorrie 

12-19, Natalie wrote:

 We probably have the largest number of cats!  Everyone gets along
 because of the way I introduce new ones.  There are a few cats who
 would love to be the only cat, but have learned to co-exist. 
 They know each others' space and respect it.  Once in a while,
 there's a little melee...nothing serious! Some make individual
 friends, others make group friends..a few are loners. They are so
 grateful to have a roof over their heads, a warm dry place to crash
 and plenty of food - some don't even use the outdoor enclosure(s)
 during the warm months!
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

2010-12-20 Thread LauraM
Thank you, Dana, I will try this. I'm desperate and Blizzard is a good cat, I 
just can't understand why he is the way he is.



 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

2010-12-20 Thread Sally Davis
Right now there are five cats on my bed and it can be up to 7 maybe even 8.
That is not to say they don't hiss at each other. Once settled they look
like angel kitties.Mine arrived at different times as well. The hardest
one to adjust is Daisy. She lost her BEST BUD during the feline leukemia
crisis. She has only recently come around. She will never be an affectionate
kitty, but she settled in. She will still mark given the chance,

Sally
And 10 cats
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

2010-12-20 Thread POTT, BEVERLY
There's a book by a Dr. Nicholas Dodman called The Cat Who Cried For Help 
that has a chapter on feline aggression- it may not be the absolute answer for 
Blizzard (or others), but it is informative and it may help... :-)

http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl/9780553378542.html 


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From: LauraM [mailto:hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Thank you, Dana, I will try this. I'm desperate and Blizzard is a good cat, I 
just can't understand why he is the way he is.



 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

2010-12-20 Thread Lorrie
Wow, Natalie, that is impressive.  You definitely have a lot
more cats than we have.  I'd take in more if my hubby and I
weren't so ancient (77 and 88)  but I'm afraid when we die
we'll leave a bunch of orphans. It's a constant worry, and 
we have no rescue group to help.. We're it!

No, I didn't get that site. 

Lorrie

 On 12-20, Natalie wrote: Yes, rescue group since 1992. I have over
 70 cats - in our house.  Huge garage, built condos there, and they
 have outdoor enclosures for warmer weather. I use full-spectrum
 lights and no one has been sick in years (unless they come in with
 something). I put two large cages together, door to door, one half
 is for sleeping and food, the other half for litter box. Liter
 boxes have holes punched on edges, tied to cage with twistemsno
 horrible accidents with the whole box tippedThen I use this
 double cage wherever the cat needs to be introduced. Sometimes, it
 takes only a few days.  Then I open the cage, and the new cat can
 use it freely fo privacy or not.  Most often, all the other cats
 get into the cage (they love it!).

 We also have built a screen door between a TV room and a bathroom
 where we either introduce new cats to the others, or keep them when
 they're sick and need to be medicated.  That way, they don't feel
 alone and can communicate with other cats through the screen door. 
 I found a good site which I sent it to the felvtalk group the other
 day - but it may have been too large and not have gone through. Did
 you get it?  Am rushing right now - vet visits all afternoon.
 Natalie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

2010-12-20 Thread Lorrie
Good for you with 10 cats. It's nice to know there are many of
us who either rescue or have ended up with lots of cats.

Lorrie

 On 12-20, Sally Davis wrote:
 Right now there are five cats on my bed and it can be up to 7 maybe even 8.
 That is not to say they don't hiss at each other. Once settled they look
 like angel kitties.Mine arrived at different times as well. The hardest
 one to adjust is Daisy. She lost her BEST BUD during the feline leukemia
 crisis. She has only recently come around. She will never be an affectionate
 kitty, but she settled in. She will still mark given the chance,
 
 Sally
 And 10 cats

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

2010-12-20 Thread MaiMaiPG
Consider providing for them in your will.  I had a lawyer draw up one  
leaving everything in trust for the care of my guys.

On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Lorrie wrote:


Wow, Natalie, that is impressive.  You definitely have a lot
more cats than we have.  I'd take in more if my hubby and I
weren't so ancient (77 and 88)  but I'm afraid when we die
we'll leave a bunch of orphans. It's a constant worry, and
we have no rescue group to help.. We're it!

No, I didn't get that site.

Lorrie


On 12-20, Natalie wrote: Yes, rescue group since 1992. I have over
70 cats - in our house.  Huge garage, built condos there, and they
have outdoor enclosures for warmer weather. I use full-spectrum
lights and no one has been sick in years (unless they come in with
something). I put two large cages together, door to door, one half
is for sleeping and food, the other half for litter box. Liter
boxes have holes punched on edges, tied to cage with twistemsno
horrible accidents with the whole box tippedThen I use this
double cage wherever the cat needs to be introduced. Sometimes, it
takes only a few days.  Then I open the cage, and the new cat can
use it freely fo privacy or not.  Most often, all the other cats
get into the cage (they love it!).



We also have built a screen door between a TV room and a bathroom
where we either introduce new cats to the others, or keep them when
they're sick and need to be medicated.  That way, they don't feel
alone and can communicate with other cats through the screen door.
I found a good site which I sent it to the felvtalk group the other
day - but it may have been too large and not have gone through. Did
you get it?  Am rushing right now - vet visits all afternoon.
Natalie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

2010-12-20 Thread Natalie
YES, we have provided for them, and I want someone to continue the work...am
actively assessing younger people who work here, how they interact with
cats, reliability, etc.  I still have a few good years in me..unless I'm
hit by a bus tomorrowNatalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 5:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

Consider providing for them in your will.  I had a lawyer draw up one  
leaving everything in trust for the care of my guys.
On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Lorrie wrote:

 Wow, Natalie, that is impressive.  You definitely have a lot
 more cats than we have.  I'd take in more if my hubby and I
 weren't so ancient (77 and 88)  but I'm afraid when we die
 we'll leave a bunch of orphans. It's a constant worry, and
 we have no rescue group to help.. We're it!

 No, I didn't get that site.

 Lorrie

 On 12-20, Natalie wrote: Yes, rescue group since 1992. I have over
 70 cats - in our house.  Huge garage, built condos there, and they
 have outdoor enclosures for warmer weather. I use full-spectrum
 lights and no one has been sick in years (unless they come in with
 something). I put two large cages together, door to door, one half
 is for sleeping and food, the other half for litter box. Liter
 boxes have holes punched on edges, tied to cage with twistemsno
 horrible accidents with the whole box tippedThen I use this
 double cage wherever the cat needs to be introduced. Sometimes, it
 takes only a few days.  Then I open the cage, and the new cat can
 use it freely fo privacy or not.  Most often, all the other cats
 get into the cage (they love it!).

 We also have built a screen door between a TV room and a bathroom
 where we either introduce new cats to the others, or keep them when
 they're sick and need to be medicated.  That way, they don't feel
 alone and can communicate with other cats through the screen door.
 I found a good site which I sent it to the felvtalk group the other
 day - but it may have been too large and not have gone through. Did
 you get it?  Am rushing right now - vet visits all afternoon.
 Natalie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

2010-12-20 Thread Natalie
There is something about that magic number of 8 cats that I've been hearing
about for so longwhen you have 8 cats, one is bound to pee where it
shouldn't!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

Right now there are five cats on my bed and it can be up to 7 maybe even 8.
That is not to say they don't hiss at each other. Once settled they look
like angel kitties.Mine arrived at different times as well. The hardest
one to adjust is Daisy. She lost her BEST BUD during the feline leukemia
crisis. She has only recently come around. She will never be an affectionate
kitty, but she settled in. She will still mark given the chance,

Sally
And 10 cats
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

2010-12-20 Thread Natalie
That's an excellent book - one of the best.  He tells it like it is!  I
highly recommend it - Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 1:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

There's a book by a Dr. Nicholas Dodman called The Cat Who Cried For Help
that has a chapter on feline aggression- it may not be the absolute answer
for Blizzard (or others), but it is informative and it may help... :-)

http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl/9780553378542.html 


-Original Message-
From: LauraM [mailto:hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

Thank you, Dana, I will try this. I'm desperate and Blizzard is a good cat,
I just can't understand why he is the way he is.



 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

2010-12-20 Thread Laurieskatz
I have a trust for my cats and a guardian and successor guardian identified.
Very important. We just helped find homes for 5 cats and 2 dogs when their
50 year old guardian/owner died unexpectedly. HASSLE. The animals were in TN
and those helping were in IA and CO. She had lots of money and could have
provided for them but didn't. I have had my trust since I was in my 40's.
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky


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Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 5:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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YES, we have provided for them, and I want someone to continue the work...am
actively assessing younger people who work here, how they interact with
cats, reliability, etc.  I still have a few good years in me..unless I'm
hit by a bus tomorrowNatalie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 5:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

Consider providing for them in your will.  I had a lawyer draw up one  
leaving everything in trust for the care of my guys.
On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Lorrie wrote:

 Wow, Natalie, that is impressive.  You definitely have a lot
 more cats than we have.  I'd take in more if my hubby and I
 weren't so ancient (77 and 88)  but I'm afraid when we die
 we'll leave a bunch of orphans. It's a constant worry, and
 we have no rescue group to help.. We're it!

 No, I didn't get that site.

 Lorrie

 On 12-20, Natalie wrote: Yes, rescue group since 1992. I have over
 70 cats - in our house.  Huge garage, built condos there, and they
 have outdoor enclosures for warmer weather. I use full-spectrum
 lights and no one has been sick in years (unless they come in with
 something). I put two large cages together, door to door, one half
 is for sleeping and food, the other half for litter box. Liter
 boxes have holes punched on edges, tied to cage with twistemsno
 horrible accidents with the whole box tippedThen I use this
 double cage wherever the cat needs to be introduced. Sometimes, it
 takes only a few days.  Then I open the cage, and the new cat can
 use it freely fo privacy or not.  Most often, all the other cats
 get into the cage (they love it!).

 We also have built a screen door between a TV room and a bathroom
 where we either introduce new cats to the others, or keep them when
 they're sick and need to be medicated.  That way, they don't feel
 alone and can communicate with other cats through the screen door.
 I found a good site which I sent it to the felvtalk group the other
 day - but it may have been too large and not have gone through. Did
 you get it?  Am rushing right now - vet visits all afternoon.
 Natalie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

2010-12-20 Thread MaiMaiPG
It is amazing how many people don't bother to provide but trust  
friends, family, whomever to take care of their little  
friends...that is why so many go to the pound, are killed,  
or..

On Dec 20, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Natalie wrote:

YES, we have provided for them, and I want someone to continue the  
work...am
actively assessing younger people who work here, how they interact  
with
cats, reliability, etc.  I still have a few good years in  
me..unless I'm

hit by a bus tomorrowNatalie

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Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 5:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

Consider providing for them in your will.  I had a lawyer draw up one
leaving everything in trust for the care of my guys.
On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Lorrie wrote:


Wow, Natalie, that is impressive.  You definitely have a lot
more cats than we have.  I'd take in more if my hubby and I
weren't so ancient (77 and 88)  but I'm afraid when we die
we'll leave a bunch of orphans. It's a constant worry, and
we have no rescue group to help.. We're it!

No, I didn't get that site.

Lorrie


On 12-20, Natalie wrote: Yes, rescue group since 1992. I have over
70 cats - in our house.  Huge garage, built condos there, and they
have outdoor enclosures for warmer weather. I use full-spectrum
lights and no one has been sick in years (unless they come in with
something). I put two large cages together, door to door, one half
is for sleeping and food, the other half for litter box. Liter
boxes have holes punched on edges, tied to cage with twistemsno
horrible accidents with the whole box tippedThen I use this
double cage wherever the cat needs to be introduced. Sometimes, it
takes only a few days.  Then I open the cage, and the new cat can
use it freely fo privacy or not.  Most often, all the other cats
get into the cage (they love it!).



We also have built a screen door between a TV room and a bathroom
where we either introduce new cats to the others, or keep them when
they're sick and need to be medicated.  That way, they don't feel
alone and can communicate with other cats through the screen door.
I found a good site which I sent it to the felvtalk group the other
day - but it may have been too large and not have gone through. Did
you get it?  Am rushing right now - vet visits all afternoon.
Natalie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

2010-12-20 Thread Sally Davis
Daisy started marking when she came in heat. She had an appt for spaying. It
was at a low cost clinic so I  could not get an earlier date. That was the
first of many times she peed on my headboard. Nothing like waking up to
that., Oh and yes she has very strong scented pee. It has actually gotten
better, but I cwould recognize her pee amell anywhere. She came form animal
control. I am thinking maybe out of feral cats. Who knows. She also
comunicates differently. She will bat at me or scratch my legs to get my
attention. Usually means she wants outside. Silly cat.  Yep I heard that
about 8 cats as well. I have had over eight cats for at least 10 years and
yes my oldest displayed this problem as well.

Sally






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 Black(MIA), Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and
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