Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites?
http://www.medicinenet.com/ascites/article.htm - this should answer some of your questions about ascites. Learn about ascites, accumulation of fluid in the abdominal cavity. Some common causes of ascites include liver disease or cirrhosis, portal hypertension, cancers. ... We had a cat with cancer, and he had to have ascites drained several times; unfortunately, our vet said that you can't do it only so often.. Don't jump to conclusions that it's FIP!~ Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Forgotten Felines Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:01 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Forgotten Felines toledoc...@gmail.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
Dozens of years re feeding. We trap, s/n and release. That is the price of free food. I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends. When I moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at that house. I visited when I could and furnished the food. We have fed ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember. And calling a shelter will probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for. On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Forgotten Felines toledoc...@gmail.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
Does your local shelter have any TNR programs or maybe can connect you with other feeders? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks _ From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ _ From: Forgotten Felines toledoc...@gmail.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
All too true. When I had a house fire in 2007 and moved I packed up my yard cats and brought them along. I still have two of them. One is 11 years old, absolutely untouchable, and she was my first TNR cat. Once you start feeding they learn to depend on you. You can't just walk away and leave them. Where are you located? There must be other feral feeders or TNR groups in your area. Perhaps we can help you find them and you could get some relief while you heal up. (Are the cats you've been feeding all spayed and neutered?) Please do NOT involve your local animal control agency. They very well might round up the cats and kill them. If you want to get those cats homes then take in one or two of the tame ones in at a time and foster until a home is found. From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Dozens of years re feeding. We trap, s/n and release. That is the price of free food. I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends. When I moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at that house. I visited when I could and furnished the food. We have fed ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember. And calling a shelter will probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for. On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Forgotten Felines toledoc...@gmail.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
There must be someone who could take over feeding them - especially with colder weather coming (don't know where you are)..they cannot be left without food after relying on it for so long. I have never liked TNR because there were never any people to take responsibility. Since I do rescue and care for many at home, I could not add the responsibility of caring for outside cats, too - there's just not enough time and energy. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight All too true. When I had a house fire in 2007 and moved I packed up my yard cats and brought them along. I still have two of them. One is 11 years old, absolutely untouchable, and she was my first TNR cat. Once you start feeding they learn to depend on you. You can't just walk away and leave them. Where are you located? There must be other feral feeders or TNR groups in your area. Perhaps we can help you find them and you could get some relief while you heal up. (Are the cats you've been feeding all spayed and neutered?) Please do NOT involve your local animal control agency. They very well might round up the cats and kill them. If you want to get those cats homes then take in one or two of the tame ones in at a time and foster until a home is found. From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Dozens of years re feeding. We trap, s/n and release. That is the price of free food. I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends. When I moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at that house. I visited when I could and furnished the food. We have fed ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember. And calling a shelter will probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for. On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Forgotten Felines toledoc...@gmail.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
Please do NOT involve animal control. Shelters everywhere are FULL and these cats will be euthanized. Are any of them socialized (tame) or are they feral? Ferals are not adoptable. I've been feeding and TNR a colony of feral cats for 10 years now. They count on you for food. Where are you located. Perhaps some of the people in this group can pitch in and help while you recover. On 08-27, dot winkler wrote: Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks __ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
I agree about not calling AC if at all possible. In many counties/cities it is illegal to feed outdoor cats and it could be that animal control will come pick them up. Like she just said, feral cats are not adoptable anyway and AC has no time or people to work with them to try and tame them (which usually isn't possible anyway) so they would be killed right away. AC wouldn't have a choice but to kill them because they can't have cage space taken up indefinitely by animals that will not ever be adopted and can't even be handled. I've been feeding for 11 years. My very first feral just died a few weeks ago of renal lymphoma. I'm not sure of her age but I'd been feeding her for 11 years, so depending on the situation sometimes it can go on forever. Course I've lost some to coyotes, the highway, etc. after just a couple years. Anyway, the few times I've been on vacation I bought a huge self feeder for dogs, like the Petmate things that hold almost a whole bag of food, and left that and it will last for several days or a week if raccoons and other animals aren't around to help eat it. You could do that and try to find someone to check on them and refill the feeder every few days. If you have the funds you could pay a pet sitter to do it. They would just have to go out every 3 days or so. Another thing I would suggest is calling all the local humane societies to see if they have a volunteer that does TNR. Just call the rescues, not Animal Control. You would be surprised at how many people there are that feed ferals. There's probably someone in your area doing it that you just don't know. One other thing is to contact the national group called Alley Cat Allies. They have a network called Feral Friends. They can tell you if there is anyone in your area that you can contact to help with the ferals for that six weeks you can't drive. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:33:22 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Please do NOT involve animal control. Shelters everywhere are FULL and these cats will be euthanized. Are any of them socialized (tame) or are they feral? Ferals are not adoptable. I've been feeding and TNR a colony of feral cats for 10 years now. They count on you for food. Where are you located. Perhaps some of the people in this group can pitch in and help while you recover. On 08-27, dot winkler wrote: Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks __ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
Hi, My bf and I feed around 140 cats in 20+ spots (colonies) each day. Unless they are adoptable and you find homes, or work with a rescue to find homes, their only option is basically death (which is what will most likely happen if taken to a shelter). Sadly so many very adoptable cats are euthanized due to the lack of homes each day. I have been doing this 8 years now...it really is a lifetime commitment (as far as the cats' lifetime goes, anyway), unless you find someone else willing to get involved or take over. Unless the cats are friendly/adoptable, I would caution you not to raise any attention to them such as the media...if unadoptable the best thing that you can do is ensure they are spayed/neutered, vaccinated ear tipped and tend to any medical needs that may arise, in which case you might need help or advise. Alley Cat Allies website is a great info resource, and also has feral friends by area, they might be able to put you in touch with someone if there is anyone in your area who has registered as a contact. There is also a great Feral Cats yahoo group where you can get a lot of great input. Ensuring they are all spayed/neutered is the most important part here, or there will be more cats with the same plight. I hope you can find someone to assist during your recovery, and that your surgery goes well--thank you for caring for these cats! If you can't find anyone to help feed, you could certainly try contacting rescue groups to see if anyone nearby can help while you are recovering. Heather On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks -- *From:* Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ -- *From:* Forgotten Felines toledoc...@gmail.com *To:* Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
