RE: Cat shampoo to recommend...

[Chris]

Well, I think Im going to work on
mats a bit before I do the deed!





Chris

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Talk alot. It calms them id you talk to the soothingly
while you bathe them. Give lots of reassurance.











I don't deal with mats here much, and I usually comb
them out BEFORE any bath, because once you get mats wet, they get tighter, and
more difficult to remove. I do however have a favorite shampoo, It's made by
TropiClean, it's their Aloe Moist shampoo. They have a phone number:
1-800-542-7387 It's made right here in the USA in Missouri, it's natural,
environmentally safe, and NOT tested on animals. It smells GREAT, and in fact,
I have used it myself a few times (on my hair). They make a whole line of
products, and they all smell good, but I really like the Aloe Moist one,
because my cats tend towards dry skin, and this really works good to get the
dander out, and keep them moist.






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RE: Cat shampoo to recommend...

[Chris]

Well, she does have long hair and its
gotten matted in those places where she absolutely refuses to be brushed!!!
Shes also sort of dirty from having worn a collar for two weeks. I
think, however, that Ill work on mats before I bathe herno easy
feat as some will have to be cut out.





Chris

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Chris,











I don't remember. Does your cat have long,
matted hair?











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I
don't know about taking her out someplace to bathe. I might consider if I
absolutely fail! 

Big Boy is fine. I've sort of renamed him Romeo as he is the mushiest, most
loving cat you can imagine and follows around my oldest female like a puppy
until she's had enough and gives him a swat! Aaaah, true love. My only
problem remains Tucson's absolute hatred of him and I am out of ideas. She
cannot see him moving without going balistic. Thing is, he runs away but if
she pins him down, he's a whole lot better at fighting than she is and she
always ends up with scratches, a couple of bites, etc. You'd think she'd be
afraid, but not, it just seems to incite her further. For a lot of reasons,
things have been a little chaotic here as I'm changing some furniture,
cleaning closets, etc. so everybody's a little crowded for a while which of
course does not help. Once things settle down, I'll try the reintros again
but its tough!

Chris
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i'm a coward when it comes to certain things--and bathing fractious
cats is definitely one of those things. therefore, my best answer to
this question is, whatever the really experienced cat groomer wants
to use!

we have a self-serve dog/cat wash facility an hour or so away: fully
equipped spaces to rent with all the accountrements (i guess fully
equipped implies that, tho, doesn't it...)--and, theoretcially,
trained professionals to save the human if required (good
first-aid kits?)

making friends with groomers is always a good thing to do! i
fostered/transported/placed 7 kitties that a groomer had rescued from
an abuse situation--free grooming for life! actually, just learning
the correct way to use clippers without being terrified has been the
biggest dividend

(how's big boy, btw?)



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Cat shampoo to recommend...

[Chris]

Title: Message



My Tucson has had to 
wear one of those wonderful collars for the last two weeks. The big day is 
coming up when it comes off. Here's the problem. On a good day, 
she's not too meticulous about self-grooming and with the collar, it became even 
harder. I tried to brush her and wipe her off but she likes only parts of 
her body brushed and wiping with something wet--well, you could hear the howls 
two blocks away.

S I'm getting my body armor out and going to try to 
bathe her. Never have done that to her since she was a little kitten so I 
know it will not be easy! But, she is a mess and I can't let her stay like 
this... 

?Anyone have handy 
dandy little tricks for the bathing of a large, strong angry cat (and she will 
be angry)? (Other than a stiff drink before I start!)
?Any particular 
brand of shampoo that might help with matting?

Chris
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RE: NJ feral group

[Chris]

Title: Message




Renee,
I 
brought Big Boy, aka Romeo, in during a bitter cold snap here in NY last 
year. I had been feeding him outside for 2 years and when I pulled up to 
the feeding area, I could hear him meow all the way across a parking lot--it was 
his way of telling me he was here, don't go! He would rub up against my 
legs but would jump away if he saw my hands coming towards him. I finally 
trapped him and brought him him. As we speak, he is lying on my bed sound 
asleep and has turned out to be the most affectionate of the brood, hence the 
name change to ROmeo. He still won't let me pick him up but absolutely 
craves attention. He was an adult cat when I got him. He turned out 
to be FELV+ (never sick) and I mix with my others (one of them is also 
FELV+). If you bring her in, I know there are a lot of folks here who can 
help you get her acclimated--trick is that once they understand the good life, 
they figure out its OK!

Chris
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  Renee M. Simon 
  wrote: 
  



Oh Nina, Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU 
HAVE BEEN MY ANGEL TODAY. i was feeling so frustrated and your words really 
soothed my soul. I completely believe that the angels send certain kitties 
my way. Last summer a feral close to death arrived on my doorstep. After 
vetting and testing, wetook him in. He is sleeping next to me now. I 
found him collapsed on the grave of my beloved Miss Kitty.

I really loved your ideas about shelter. I 
think I will open my crawl space tomorrow. I can't believe I didn't think of 
that! And this is farm land, so free pallets are always around! Maybe my 
hubby could get some heavy totes from work and we can use them. See, all I 
had to do was ask and wonderful help arrived. I cannot thank you enough! you 
have just eased my mind tremendously. At least I have a good start and 
something constructive to do tommorrow for Emma and Abby, as well as the 
others who live in the marsh.

Three days ago, someone who was feeding one all 
summer decided to take him to the vet in hopes of adopting him. He tested 
positive, but was asymptomatic. I do not know if they kept him or pts. My 
boy Jasper was tested twice and was negative, so we were lucky. I currently 
have 4 cats and 2 dogs. I have over 3000sq ft so they all have their own 
places. My hope was to bring Emma into the house, but she seems to feral to 
me and I am not sure she would make the transition.She is about 2 yrs old I 
think. I don't know if she is positive or not and I don't have a room to 
keep her isolated safely. I am waiting for divine inspiration on that 
one!
I am also going to write to my local newspapers 
and see if they can help,maybe an article? I will also post an ad to see if 
anyone can donate supplies. It is a start. I have lived here for 7 yrs. I am 
not sure why I felt compelled to do something now and not earlier. All I can 
do is my best. Emma really stole my heart. I really feel a connection to 
her. I pray for her every night and during the day I try to learn how to 
help and what else I need to learn. Low cost spay here is running about $75 
a cat, which is hard for me to manage for more than a few. And certainly not 
for 30- 40.

Thanks so much for being my angel today. I went 
from tears to really feeling like it is not hopeless. I appreciate the 
kindness you have shown me. Have a wonderful night! 
  Renee

RE: Impossible

[Chris]

I think those things we
think are cats are really aliens who figured out it was not so bad to be a cat
in one of our homes!





Chris

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i've
heard rumors about cats who are easy to medicate--i put those
stories in the same category as alien-abduction







LOL!





Patti

RE: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

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I dont know about
that I have one who does this to get petted Somebody once told
mean that cats who were weaned too early do this and one who falls asleep
sometimes with part of her tongue hanging outgo figure





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You
guys have such a wealth of knowledge and experience. Does anyone know if
there's anything to worry about when a cat has a habit of











a)
pressing its forehead against your chest (Tiger, myobsessive compulsive
disorder/kitty Prozaccat)











OR
(different cat)











b)
poking its tongue out and leaving it in that position for several minutes.
(Pookie, my CRF foster)











(re:
a)Anitra Frasier's book states that a cat that pressesits forehead against
an object is in pain.)











Thanks
for any feedback anyone may have.











Kerry


























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RE: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

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Pressing head against chest
The person who told me that is one who has one cat who does this the minute
your pick him upvet told her about too early weaning





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Somebody once
told mean that cats who were weaned too early do this











Thanks Chrisd'you
mean the pressing forehead behavior (that Tiger doesmy vet already said
Tiger's wool-suckingis a result of too early weaning)











(Or d'you mean the tongue
thing?)



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I
dont know about that I have one who does this to get petted
Somebody once told mean that cats who were weaned too early do this and one who
falls asleep sometimes with part of her tongue hanging outgo
figure





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You
guys have such a wealth of knowledge and experience. Does anyone know if
there's anything to worry about when a cat has a habit of











a)
pressing its forehead against your chest (Tiger, myobsessive compulsive
disorder/kitty Prozaccat)











OR
(different cat)











b)
poking its tongue out and leaving it in that position for several minutes.
(Pookie, my CRF foster)











(re:
a)Anitra Frasier's book states that a cat that pressesits forehead
against an object is in pain.)











Thanks
for any feedback anyone may have.











Kerry





















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RE: Giving Pills

[Chris]

You can try Pill-Pockets--soft mushy treats made with a little pocket to put
pill inside--some cats, like one of mine, will take anything in pill
pockets.  Others, like another of mine, just sort of look at me like I'm
crazy  walk away.  Anyway, when I need to re-order, I google on Pill
Pockets and find whoever is selling them the cheapest.

Chris
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Subject: Giving Pills

OK so, Brooklyn figured it out that I crushed up some pills and put them in
his food. He was fine with the lysine pill in 
there but the Rx meds I got from the vet today he won't eat the food because
apparently it seems like he can smell 
them in there. He was sniffing and sniffing and finally put his paw in it
and decided instead to eat his kibble instead 
of the wet food! Which normally, he LOVES. So, the question is...how the
HECK can I give him his pills? One dose 
wasted already. Help!
-Rebecca

RE: Postive and Negative Cats?

[Chris]

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Four 
of my cats lived together for several years before I found out my Tucson was 
pos. They had not been felv vaccinated and two had come in as 
kittens. None of the other three tested pos and I vaccinate them every 
year. I did not even consider separating as they had all lived together 
for those years and no one had contracted felv. They eat together, use the 
same litter box, play with the same toys, groom each other, and on and on. 
I brought in a stray I had been feeding last year and it turned out he was pos 
but totally asymptomatic... So, I now have 5--2 pos, 3 neg and my biggest 
problem is that Tuscon hates the latest addition.


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  DeaverSent: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:17 PMTo: 
  Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Postive and Negative 
  Cats?Hey everyone-I was wondering...my other cat 
  hasn't been tested yet, but will be tomorrow. However, whether he is positive 
  or negative, we have a problem. He either has to live with a positive cat or, 
  when my FeLV+ kitty crosses teh bridge, or if he's positive and can't go into 
  remission (he shows no symptoms of anything, he's a very healthy cat overall, 
  except for the usual occassional kitty eye goobers and hairballs), he'll need 
  a companion, since he does NOT do well alone. I've been looking for someone 
  with FeLV+ cats for adoption in my area (Chicago), with no avail. That, and 
  the cats I take in tend to be needy, homeless strays that choose me (who are 
  then taken immediately to the vet to be tested, have inital rabies and FVRCP 
  vacs and an exam before they ever meet the other resident cat, since I can 
  only have 2 at a time). And anyway, if he's a neg, I have no plans to cast off 
  my kitten just because she has this diagnosis. So how do you guys do 
  it? Everything I've ever read says "remove all positive cats from the 
  household" or "elect euthanasia if you have a multi-cat household" as if it 
  were that easy. I'm aware that some of you keep both positives and 
  negatives together...so I have some questions and I would really love it if 
  you guys would share some of your experiences with me:-How do you do it? 
  Are they separated in any way within your home?-How do you control the 
  virus in terms of cleaning and separation of LB's and dishes?-CAN the 
  virus be contained? What other precautions do you take?-Does this mean I 
  have to stop bringing treated/vaccinated rescued negs into my house as long as 
  I have a positive cat, should Leo test positive?-In your experience, how 
  quickly and readily does the virus spread? Everything I've read basically says 
  that if you have one positive, you can count on having more if you're in a 
  multi-cat household. -In a household with both negs and positive cats, do 
  you vaccinate the negs? Why or why not?I've already gotten some input 
  from Belinda (thank you!) but I just kind of want to take a survey to see the 
  various outcomes and know all of my options. If anyone can spare some good 
  vibes that Leo is negative and Lola's symtoms remain under control at least 
  until we can seek further treatment options, I'd greatly appreciate 
  it!Thanks guy! You are a terrific 
group!Allie

Re: 20 CATS...

[chris]

I have 13 indoorcats, 2 dogs and a rabbit. Everyone gets along pretty good. The cats are not territorial at all with each other. In fact, they end up all curled together alot of times. I think it is really neat how close they all are to each other.

Chris

-- Original message --  I'm always amazed when people say that they have lots of cats. I would  probably have a lot more if my husband didn't stop me. I have always had  dogs my entire life, until we were adopted by our first cat, Miss, some  years ago. I remember the exact moment that I knew I loved her. I looked  into her eyes as she sat in the crook of my arm purring, just staring at me  with half closed eyes in contentment. I was amazed at how calming and  peaceful a cat is.   But on the other hand, I have 4 who are all indoors, and they barely get  along. I can't imagine what would happen if we added more. Aren't cats  notoriously territorial? I consider myself a cat novice, so I wonder what  those of you with lots of cats observe about yours.  Sandy  

RE: Annie is gone

[Chris]

Sounds like Annie left a piece of her heart with that little feral...  I'm
sure you will remember her everything time she snuggles up it will be just
like Annie.  What a wonderful story...  and how great you are to let these
little ones come to you on their own terms... 

Chris
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Subject: Annie is gone

Sadly I have to report another FeLV+ has passed on today...
Annie was a beautiful calico with a white milk mustache...
She came to live with me about a year and a half ago...
She was a stray who was brought into a shelter in NJ...
She had a huge gash in her side probably from a car
but she was healing well from that but she tested pos
and had to live in a cage with the dogs at the vets...
The dogs didn't seem to bother her and she was friendly
with people and she was friendly with me until I brought
her in the room with my other FeLV+ cats...She established
her own corner with a window of her own and kept everyone
else out...I gave her her own food and box there and she
would let me pat her if no one else was around
 
About a month ago she stopped eating and we found she
had become anemic ...I put her in my isolation cage and
put her on vitamins the vet gave us and got her eating AD..
After a few days she seemed to be getting better and badly
wanted out of the cage so I let her out...
For a few days she was impossible to catch and didn't always
get her vitamins but soon she started to slide again and she was
easy to catch and medicate and we started seringe feeding...
She took that easily and we had her gaining weight again...
 
In the process she was spending more and more time on my
bed where the rest of the cats all hang out and soon my feral
cat who won't let me pat her but was very quick to make friends
with the other cats was able to snuggle with Annie
The best thing of this is now the feral cat has suddenly decided
it is OK to be touched by humans and she even let me pick her
up for a minute without struggling
 
I have been following Wendy and Cricket as it has been so close
to Annie...Yesterday she was too weak to make it to her litter box
even though I had placed it up level with the bed for her...This was
her first accidentI was struggling with the same thought of if I
should PTS but she seemed to rest comfortably and took the
seringe feedings fairly well...We had gone to smaller feedings more
oftenI was so happy when Wendy decided to try the feeding tube
yesterday as I was looking to Wendy for guidance But then it
was so very sad to here this morning that Cricket had passed during
the nightAnnie ate well for a bit but then stopped swallowing and
then again the next feeding she didn't want to take anything
Shortly after that she was resting on my stomach as I patted her
and she let out a cry and then I noticed that she had stopped breathing...
It was over...I believe she was comfortable and new she was loved
right up to the end...
 
Some are very close all their life and others. like Anie its just at the end
but it doesn't make it any easier to say good buy.
Michelle said it all.. But it does not get easier, as far as I can 
tell.  Just less surprising.
 
I will miss you sweet Annie and I hope we do get to meet again
Tad

RE: Need all your prayers - please!!

[Chris]

Title: Message









When I moved once, in the days with only
one cat, I had three burly moving men who just moved thru the apt quickly and
quietly. I thought cat had gone into the closet to hide but all of a
sudden the biggest of the moving men came running over to me pleading to get
the cat from under the bed as he was afraid of her!





Chris

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- please!!





because so many of my cats look alike (to
animal control officers) and so many run and hide when someone comes over











That's pretty funny
Tonya---reminds me of last winter when our building made it mandatory for us to
have their contractor come and check all our radiators. I knew the
radiatorin the cats' bedroom had a problem but I'd already put off fixing
it thru one winter for fear news of my 6furryroommates would leak
out. 





By the time the year
rolled around and I'd cottoned on to what feral really meant
Ifigured I had little to fear. And sure enough, the guy came,
checked and fixed the radiator without seeing so much as a whisker (I'd hidden
all the cat trees etc so it just looked like a room waiting to be furnished.)





All the furballsscooted
into the closet as soon as they heard the dcoorbell and didn'temerge till
he'd gone. Smart!.











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- please!!





Hideyo,











I know this has got to be awful for you. Are you
able to move? Could you put half your guys at your boyfriend's house?











I know we have a limit here where I live, but because
so many of my cats look alike (to animal control officers) and so many run and
hide when someone comes over.. they would never know how many I
actually have unless my vet ratted me out











t

Hideyo Yamamoto
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Hi, everyone  I am in a
situations where I need all your prayers!

I mentioned to you a couple of weeks
ago, where the animal control came over regarding having the multiple cats at
my house. Well, based on the current ordinance, I could only have 5
animals even with a permit (they have a very stupid way to calculate it)
 so, now I have to go to a hearing. According to the city
attorney, unless my neighbors has any objections (which no one does), they
usually allow you to have up to 15 animals  I have to now go to a hearing
and present my case  everyone, please pray that everything will go well
and they wont take my babies away from me! I dont know what
I would do without them!



Also, Ginger is still not eating like
she is supposed to  she sipped on Liver shake a bit, but not much, so I
am still force feeding she does not act like she is sick at all, which
is blessing  I might have to take her for a blood work if she does not
get her appetite back to see if anything is going on inside of her.. please
pray that she will gain her appetite back very very soon! 



Again, thank you for all your
support!








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RE: risk of contagion Q

[Chris]

Title: RE: risk of contagion Q









Well,
I vaccinate my 3 negs now but they were all exposed to one of my pos for
several years before I knew she was pos. I got them all as kittens so
they were exposed at a very early ageshared food, litter, groomed each
other and all those other things cats do! All tested neg starting last
year.





Chris

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Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005
10:03 AM
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Subject: RE: risk of contagion Q



Belinda, Gloria, Nina, Kerrywhat I don't know
about the cats involved (in accidentally eating the positive's food) is whether
they are vaccinated against FeLV.

Here's a Q that I keep meaning to ask you (and
everyone else who mixes): 
Do any of you mix successfully WITHOUT vaccinating your
negs? 

Kerry 

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Re: risk of contagion Q 



 Bailey (my positive) and all of
his housemates share everything 
including
food dishes, have for over 10 years. All of my negatives are 
still
negative. 

-- 
Belinda

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RE: Need all your prayers - please!!

[Chris]

There is film that comes in rolls--you should be able to buy at any Lowes or
Home Depot...

Chris
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Need all your prayers - please!!

On a bit separate note, do you know where I can get some type of
adhesive you can put it on your window - so that you can see from one
side, but not the other? I decide that I want my privacy and wanted to
explore the option - do you know what I am talking about?

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need all your prayers - please!!

Think that's what I'd do!

Gloria


On Nov 7, 2005, at 2:11 PM, wendy wrote:

 I wouldn't think they could take them away from you;
 rather, that they give you ample time to place them in
 other homes.  But if it was me, and I hope I don't
 offend anyone by saying this, if they told me I had to
 get rid of some of my animals, I would say ok, and
 take them to my moms until they came back to check,
 and then like a teenager, I would bring them right
 back home.  I've always been a little rebellious like
 that.

 --- Hideyo Yamamoto
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank you, I have a letter from my ex-vet who used
 to care for all my
 cats for the past 10 years and she is actually
 overseeing now the vet
 section at the animal control division, which I hope
 to build
 creditability as the letter says how responsible and
 caring I am for all
 my animals.

 Different officers came to inspect my place a few
 times and they were
 all very impressed with the set up (I spent $45,000
 a couple of years
 ago and built facility for my cats in addition to my
 main house -
 windows everywhere, sky lights, outside enclosures..
 etc.. and happy how
 well all my animals are taken care of.. but yes I
 will prepare for any
 possible ways for them to complain.

 I am also going to ask someone I know through
 rescuing.. she is with
 Animal protection service of my state and she has a
 lot of credibility
 with animal control.. so.. we will see.. I am still
 very nervous because
 they CAN take them away from me..

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of wendy
 Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:52 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Need all your prayers - please!!

 Hi Hideyo,

 I am sorry to hear about your city ordinance
 troubles.
  I agree with Kerry that having someone else there
 as
 an advocate for the care you are providing is a
 smart
 idea.  Also, be prepared to disprove with proof the
 very reasons they are having you in for a hearing in
 the first place (ie. unsanitary conditions,
 neighborhood disturbance, whatever their reasons may
 be).  Be well prepared, even overly prepared.  This
 is
 the very reason I hope to one day have some land out
 in the country.  The city government won't be able
 to
 tell me what to do with my life or my furballs.  I
 will also say prayers for Ginger to begin eating
 better again.  I am sorry for your troubles and I
 hope
 that things start looking up again.  In the
 meantime,
 don't let them get you down.  Keep going strong.

 :)
 Wendy


  
  
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RE: To Ken and Max

[Chris]

WOW!! Im not
been keeping up with posts but are you anywhere near Vet Schoolsometimes
you can get care there by interns for substantially less





Chris

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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005
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Subject: Re: To Ken and Max



Hi A blood transfusion is almost 1000 dollars.
I am totally broke. If there was any way, I would get it done but I have
no credit left and things have been very rough.

RE: RE: To Ken and Max

[Chris]

Cornell University in Itaca is the one that comes off the top of my head
Not sure about vet schools in New Jersey.





Chris

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Subject: Re: RE: To Ken and Max




 anywhere near Vet School



Good idea. I don't know but will begin
checking. i am in the New york?Jersey area

RE: Max 2000? Nov 2005 GA

[Chris]

No matter what his early years were, Max
was a very lucky little guy to have found you. And you will have him
forever in your heart. 





Chris

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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005
9:29 PM
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Subject: Max 2000? Nov 2005 GA



Thank you all. This is what i posted on the feline
diabetes board. I have immuno regulan coming tomorrow and will donate it to the
first person that I get the email from. I wish you all the best of luck
and long lives for the ones you care for.

 Max was put to sleep on my bed in my
house with me holding him tonight

 Normally I named my animals based on what
I think fits. Max went nameless for a long time as I got to know him from
feeding him outside. It was a last resort name as I didn't have his
personality down pat since he was a stray at the time. If I had known him
better when I named him, it would have been zoid which would have been short
for skitzoid. If I walked the wrong way, he would growl and slink away
but then realize it was okay so he would roll and stretch. When he saw debbie
he would hiss until she talked to him, Once she spoke he melted. The eyes would
go soft, the face would light up and he would go to her and try to give her a
concussion with his head bumps. 
 One thing Max did was wear his emotions on his face and body and you
would know exactly how he felt at all times. When he wanted to go
outside, it was urgent and an emergency and he would tell you and his eyes were
narrow and he would sulk. At night, all cats have to be inside the house and it
took a 3 day grounding' of Max before he dutifully learned the rules.
If he wanted to go out late and we wouldn't let him,we counted on the
zoid part. I would sit on the sofa as he was crying at the door and call him.
He would come running over, strech, roll over and proceed to play with me
totally forgetting that he wanted to do something else.
Zoid wouldn't have been a fair name either. Sparkle maybe because of the
sparkles that were in his eyes. Also because of the way he looked at me with
such faith and trust even after having his trust and heart broken by the
bastards that threw him away. He's better than me that way.
Loverboy because of the way he loved me so damm much. All I had to do was sit
on the couch, lean back and offer my chest and he was up there in 2 seconds
kissing my face and neck.
 I'm sorry we didn't have more time together Max. I'm sorry for the times
I yelled at you. You were so young and happy. I'm grateful for what you
gave to me and taught me. I thank you for the love you always gave me.
Fly free my boy.

Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction

[chris]

I have had 2 positive cats among a household of 13 and none of the other cats have contracted FeLV! One of my positives did pass away in June and the other was just re-tested and confirmed to now be negative!

Chris

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Re: Emilio and Frito

[Chris]

Angel's Gate in Long Island-Original Message- From: Terri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Oct 27, 2005 3:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Emilio and Frito 



Hmm, I don't know if there's one on Long Island.

Terri in NJ

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Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Emilio and Frito
I was wondering about Tabby's Place, but couldn't remember the name. Isn't there one one on Long Island too? Again, can't remember the name!GloriaAt 06:40 PM 10/26/2005, you wrote:Hi Chrissy,Wow. What a big heart you have.There are no FeLV+ shelters in this area (I'm in Bordentown, right around the corner from you). Taffy's Place in the Flemington area is full I think. Any shelter you take them to will PTS. I think Nikki's FeLV Rescue is full too. She's way up in the Sparta, NJ area.No doubt you've got your hands full. I'm full myself (in a 1 bedroom apartment), and all the cats are FeLV free at the moment. I mostly lurk on the list nowadays -- I've been with the group since 1999.Since we're so close (geographically), maybe give me a call sometime and we can chat. If nothing else, at least I can be a sounding board for you.324-1604Terri in Bordentown, NJ=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec  Salome' =^..^=Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350- Original Message -From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Christine OttTo: mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:43 PMSubject: Emilio and FritoHi everyone,I'm brand new here, and am so happy to have found you! How wonderful tohave found such a group! Of course, it's sad news in my life thatbrings me here, though, but it's good to know there are other peopleout there doing what they can.We moved to Trenton, NJ, last year with a dog, Lacey, and two young,(felv - ) cats, Monkey and Simon, and within a day, acquired a new cat,Angus, whom we kept in seclusion for months until we could determine ifhe had any of the feline nasties (he was tested twice, several monthsapart). Of course, we didn't seek to get another cat, but cats have theability to acquire us. He came up negative for FIV and Leukemia, and wewere so thankful. Monkey and Simon may not feel the same way, sincehe's much bigger than they are, but we're working out the issues!Four months later, I heard a terrible crying sound coming from thehedges, and honestly had no idea what it was -- despite the growingnumber of cats in my household, they're all pretty young; I didn't havea cat until I was 31, so I was not well versed in the wide range ofnoises they're capable of making. I went to check it out, anddiscovered Platooski, a kitten about 4 weeks old, in the bushes.We figured three cats was enough; since Platooski was a kitten, wethought it would be easy enough to get him adopted. And as luck wouldhave it, THREE people said they'd take him. We offered him to the firstperson who asked, and of course, she fell through, but not before theother two women got other kittens. So, we figured, "What's one more?"And then came Crabcake, another kitten. And again, we figured we couldadopt her out, and planned to take her to adoption day at PetSmart, butshe developed a horrible eye infection. Despite her hideous oozingface, all of my cats fell in love with her while she was healing, andby the time she got better, we couldn't bear to give her up.Platooski and Crabcake also came up negative for FIV and FeLv. All ofmy cats are indoors only. Angus, by the way, the bully, adores thekittens, though he still gets a scary blank stare when he looks atSimon and Monkey...So, last month, on our one year anniversary in the house, a mommy catand two young kittens show up, smelling a sucker, I guess. Theneighborhood has a bad cat problem, and we've been talking about atrap-neuter-release program, but of course, every time a cat shows up,circumstances go weird, and we're not able to do the TNR thing. Ivolunteered at the shelter for a bit to get a sense what was going onwith that, and while I admire so much of what the volunteers do, I willdo my best to never surrender an animal to them, since it's a killfacility, and the city is so hard pressed for resources. So we figuredwe'd do our best to "take care of our backyard," so to speak. We fedMommy and babies (whom we named Emilio and Frito), and they stayed onthe back porch. I asked around again to see if we could find a takerfor these cats, and again, we got lucky and found someone who'd takeEmilio and Frito, if they came up negative for FIV and FeLv.Because we live in a city with a stray cat problem, as well as a numberof other 

Re: Question about IFA Test Results

[chris]

Honestly my Monty did all the work himself. I feed him Purina ProPlan Indoor formula dry food and just give him lots of love and attention. I am just so grateful at the news, now I don't have to panic if he sneezes:)

Chris

-- Original message -- 

Hey guys
I have been off the list for what two or three years now...I want to say that I am seeing so many more over coming the virus to negative. Back in the day it was very rare at times I thought some people might have made it up or the tests were not accurate.
What do you contribute the success to?
Karen 
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Question about IFA Test Results

[Chris Behnke]

Here's the whole story. When Monty was 8 
months old, he became very sick. When I took him to the vets, he was 
diagnosed as FeLV+. At the time, the vet didn't think he would make 
it. Now, a year later Monty is very healty. He has never been sick 
since his diagnosis and has not shown any signs. Because of this, we had 
him tested again. The ELISA test came back with a very faint positive but 
the IFA test was negative. What exactly does this mean?

Thanks,
Chris Behnke

RE: Charity is back in area!!!!!!

[Chris]

Sounds like shes
forgiven you and is ready to come home!!! 





Chris

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Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005
5:10 PM
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Subject: Charity is back in
area!!





I am
so, so excited! Just got back home  spotted my dear, feral girl
Charity in my neighbor's yard!





I
quietly attempted to approach her, and for quite a few minutes she remained
perched on the fence, just looking at me  listening to my words.





I KNOW
SHE RECOGNIZED ME!!!





Then,
the other neighbor's yipper dog started barking  she spooked, but is
somewhere on neighbor's property.





And, I
checked the outdoor house I made for her, and all the food was
gone, the bed was slept in (could tell cause I put straw in house)





AND, I
almost cried when I saw she had carried our feather plume into the
bed w/her!!





(This
was the plume she allowed me to stroke her with.)





So, I
put fresh food, water  her favorite, TUNA, in both her house  I left
the barn door ajar and set up bedding, same food  litter box for her.





I
debated trapping her again, but I don't want to spook her  scare ger
awayI am so glad she is home.





I hope
I do get the opportunity to somehow get her in the barn, then I'll work on
bringing her into the house. However, if she truely wants to be
an outside cat, there are many warm . dry places for her. (I put heat in the
barn.)





So,
everyone, thanks for your prayers  please pray she will stay.





I never
thought I'd be so devastated over a cat who at first attacked me every chance
she got.. But, somehow we made a connection  hopefully she is
home for good!!











Patti





With Love from Charity
too

Re: Lulu and her Immuno-Regulin Therapy

[Chris and Carol van Maarth]

Hi Julie

Thanks for your nice email.I live in California and most everything is super regulated here. Someone sent me a link for buying syringes on the internet so think I will persue that. I sure hope that my experience with Immune-Regulin will be of help to others. Tonight I'll post the article on m-Reg that the vet gave to methough it is incomplete it is quite interesting.

Moe latah,

Carol vM (claras)Julie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Clara,

Thank you so much for sharing Lulu's story; it's fascinating. Where are you located? It's typically the state you are in that governs whether or not you can obtain syringes without a prescription.

I hope you'll stay on the list! Best to you and Lulu (it way my nickname as a child!)

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Lulu and her Immuno-Regulin Therapy

[Chris and Carol van Maarth]

Hello all.I am new to this list and this will be my first post. I've been corresponding with Michelle Lerner and she suggested that I post whatshe and Ihave been discussing to the group as a whole, that some of you might be interested in what I have to say here. 

Lulu was a pretty little feral kitty that I took into our home about 41/2 years ago, she was young and has adjusted well to living with us. After a short time I suspected that Lulu had leukemia but she continued in a healthy state until just a few months ago at which time my local vet confirmed my leukemia suspicions and we began Lulu on subcutaneous Immuno-Regulin Propionibacterium Acnes, Immunostimulant injections. 

I spoke to my vet at length today as to m-reg therapy as I was concerned with posts that I had seen on the listserve that said the drug was only to be given by IV. My vet said that he commonly treated his cats with subcutaneous shots and thatin his practice he'd had quite a few cases of complete remission with sub-Q injections.I asked specifically as to whether it was better to give it IV, IMor subQ, he poo-poohed IV and said thatit mainlyblew veins and gave vetrinarians achance to charge a lot for the procedure, IM was painful and destructive to tissues,but thatwith subQ, the medicine wasgetting to the same tissues with less traumaand an additionalbenefit thatthe same amountof medicine was absorbed slowly by the tissues over a longer period of time. The recommended dose is 0.4cc for a 10 lb cat.Lulu was started at 0.4cc bi-weekly for the first two weeks
 then we went to 0.4cc once weekly and I have continued to give her the injections at home up till now. (She is still testing positive after having been on treatment for about 4-5 months.) He mentioneda study that had shown a 77% remission rate over a period of 6 yrs and confirmed to me that long term therapy would be possible with this drug without risk of side effects; in fact, he said that there were no harmfull reactions over the long term. He mentioned a vet thatused m-Reg with horses in controlling wartsthis vetinjected0.25cc subQ directly underneath each wart.this vet guarantees results with this treatment and says that he's never had to administer a 2nd dose.

We'd taken Lulu to the vet initially because of sudden itchy, running, crusted, eyes with open sores which simply would not resolve with anything that I'd tried. She'd hadpersistent moist lungs from time to time and this had given me the nagging feeling that she was leukemia positive; in combination with the eyes, there was no longer any doubt that she was infected.As I said, she'd been a feral cat when we took her in but by now had become a beloved member of our family---we couldn't just put her down or let her die on the vine. Under the vet's direction we initially treated the eye condition with an opthalmic ointment and the chest with an oral suspension ALBON, (sulfadimethoxine, a sulfonamide).I also gave the cat 500mg of crushed up lysine/H20 daily by mouthas I was worried that we were dealing with herpes eventhough it didn't look like it. Lulu improved dramaticallyover the next few weeks. I continued to give her the
 Lysine even after discontinuing the opthalmic ointment figuring that if it was working I didn't want to rock the boat and that it probably would't hurt her...the vet agreed...finally it just became too much of a battle giving her this most hated liquid---at medicine time she'd be nowhere to be found and it wasafffecting our friendship, so I let it go. Luluhas beennone the worse for discontinuing those meds, so the mReg has apparently helped her immune system enough that she doesn't need the additional therapy. 


As I indicated she is still positive test-wise but looks seems to feel so much better that we are not really worrying about the the continued positive test.As long as she is looking well we are happy and are prepared to continue giving her Immuno-Regulin for as long as she needs it. The vet indicated that because Lulu was a young, healthy cat with minimal symptoms, no wasting, and little or no signs of other serious organ systems involvement that she stood a very good chance of sero-converting at some point. 

At any rate,my vet is charging me $12.50 for 0.4cc for shots that I am administering at home---at $31.25 per cc I figure he is making about $1560.00 per each 50cc bottle that I see listed tor $159.00 at Revival Animal Health. We just don't have that kind of money so have I begun checking into the prospect of buying the drug myself over the internet. The next hurdle will be to acquire syringes without a prescription, but I'll tackle that when I have to. I haven't had a chance to check withRevival yet as to ordering, but I sure am hoping that it is available without prescription...I think that this might be a natural or herbal remedy so am hopeful that an Rx is not required. 

The vet gave me an article from a vetrinary magazine round table discussion about m-Reg 

Re: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV

[Chris Behnke]

My vet said to NEVER vaccinate as it will weaken their immune system.

Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:52 PM
Subject: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV



Hi all,

I've recently heard from someone , that one approach to enhancing the 
immune systems of FELV cats is to vaccinate them periodically for FELV. 
Anybody heard of that?


It changed my thinking - I'd always heard NOT to give the FELV vaccine to 
FELV cats.  Helps me remember not to get too set in my thoughts, in 
particular about FELV.  Any knowledge of that?


Thanks!

GLoria







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RE:Cornelll

[Chris]

The only thing I dont
like about the Cornell site is that they have not updated their overview
information to reflect current protocols. They still say you have to wait
at least 30 days to use a space in which there previously was a pos cat
also, are very pessimistic about survival rate, and very much anti-mixing.





Chris

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Sent: Saturday,
 October 15, 2005 11:28 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol
9, Issue 60-Chris





I am
rather new to FeLV but Cornell University has good sites for information on this illness. If the
anemia is from FeLV it has to be in the bone marrow which according to what I
have read, means the FeLV has been with the cat for a long time. Our vet
has our Stinky cat on Interferon and amoxicillin. Yesterday she had a red
blood count of about 13 than a retest showed a count of 18 which they feel is
too high for a transfusion but, that will probably be low enoughby Monday
for another transfusion. However, the anemia may not be from FeLV at
all. There are other things lurking out there that cause it like FIA
which is hard to detect but, the doxycycline should handle that if that is what
your cat has. And, as Michelle has pointed out, and my vet has pointed
out, it may be cancer that is at the bottom of anemia so, don't despair, it may
not be FeLV. Even as sick as my Stinky cat is, I am still holding out
hopes that ELISA was wrong and the IFA test was right!





Best of
luck and all our prayers!











Stinky's
Mom and Dad

RE: I have a sick kitty, help...Immuno-regulin

[Chris]

I ditto good comments on
immuno-regulin. My Tucson has had two series each time her white blood count went very
low. Both times it came right back up She had no side
effectshad one shot every week for 3 or 4 weeks I think.





Chris

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 October 15, 2005 5:05 PM
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Subject: Re: I have a sick kitty,
help...





Read
the articles on Immuno-Regulin on the website for this group (www.felineleukemia.org). I have
used it twice with severe URI's (one was pneumonia and the other a URI causing
fever and lack of appetite) and it helped a lot. One of my cats had some
bad temporary side effects of high fever and chills for about an hour after
each dose, but then got a lot better. She got 1 ml intravenously, which is what
the author of one of the articles recommends, but the dose in the pill book is
.5 to 1 ml, so she got the high end. I would recommend starting with .5 ml.





Michelle

RE: [Fwd: H.O.R.S.E. OT- cats in great need!]

[Chris]

I think Rochester,NY (upstate NY) mentioned in body of message...

Chris
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Says New York State, but no town listed that I can see.  These forwards can 
be hard to read...

Gloria

At 01:55 PM 10/9/2005, you wrote:
I'm obviously WAY behind on email.  Where is this located?

t

--- Steph E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
   Original Message 
  Subject:  H.O.R.S.E. OT- cats in great need!
  Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:55:39 -
  From: bonzomountainmusic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
  hi,  i am crossposting this for a friend (kim)  what a sad story for
  this lady and her
  cats, i hope someone can help!!
 
  lori
 
 
  On Oct 4, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Kimber Gorall wrote:
 
  PLEASE READ AND CROSS-POST WIDELY (Sorry it's long)
 
  Contact for cat placement: Kim Gorall   (585) 924-9478
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  HELP! I am desperately seeking homes for my friend's 15 cats.
  Trudy
  is dying of an
  aggressive lung disease, and has experienced a total physical health
  collapse over the
  past 2 months. A couple of days ago, she was moved from her home and
  is now
  under hospice care. She is bedridden and not expected to live more
  than
  2 more
  weeks (as of Oct. 4, 2005). The cats are now living alone in Trudy's
  house. Paid
  caregivers are going there twice daily to care for the cats. But
  Trudy's
  biological
  relatives are not supportive of her cat family, and have said that
  they
  cannot afford to
  pay caregivers for more than two weeks -- three at most. When Trudy
  dies, her house
  will be put up for sale, and the cats will be doomed. Everyone who in
  the past has
  said that they'd be willing to take a cat is now backing out when
  faced
  with that
  reality.
 
  Trudy got these cats because she was a foster caregiver for a
  non-profit, homeless
  cat rescue organization in downstate New York. She brought the cats
  with
  her when
  she moved to Rochester a few years ago. Unfortunately, the rescue
  organization is
  now disbanding, and they've said that they will not take back the
  cats
  either.
 
  Trudy spend her professional life working in a home for orphaned and
  abandoned
  children. Outside of work, she has devoted her life's time, energy
  and
  money to
  helping feral and homeless cats. She is literally hanging onto life
  only
  for the sake of
  the cats that are still her responsibility. She is obsessed with the
  thought that they
  might not have the chance to live out their remaining years. It is
  breaking her heart
  and exhausting what little energy she has left. I would like to be
  able
  to tell her that
  she can go in peace, knowing that her cats will be safe.
 
  These cats have been extremely well cared for. Obviously, they are
  accustomed to
  being around other cats, but not dogs. They are essentially
  indoor-only
  cats. Trudy
  had a portion of her yard fenced on all sides and on top. It is
  attached
  to her house,
  so that the cats can wander from inside the house, out through a cat
  door and into
  the yard shelter if they wish. That's their idea of: outdoors.
  Although some of the
  cats are quite old, most of them are healthy, robust and full of
  life.
 
  If you are a responsible caregiver, won't you consider taking a cat
  as
  an act of mercy?
  If you're not interested in a long-term commitment, would you take an
  older cat?
  Personally, I think they make the best companions. Some of these cats
  have only a
  few years left, and have known only love and kindness since they were
  rescued.
 
  Please contact me if you can help. I am willing to transport cats to
  responsible homes
  within New York State. Outside of the state, perhaps other
  arrangements
  can be
  made. Photos of each cat are available upon request.  Here's a
  description of each
  cat:
 
  - Valentine:  Grey shorthaired. Neutered male. Shy and sweet. Age
  unknown; has
  lived with Trudy for 6 years. Friendly. Likes to be outside the
  majority
  of the time.
  Negative for FIV and FELV.
 
  - Versace:  9 years old. Pale pastel calico. Shorthaired spayed
  female. She is the
  half-sister to Woody and Babe. Likes to cuddle with other cats.
  Negative for FIV
  and FELV
 
  - Dusty:  Age unknown. Neutered male. Siamese cross with short
  hair.
  Has blue
  eyes.  Very shy but can be sweet. Due for a rabies vaccination on
  8/4/07. Negative for
  FIV and FELV
 
  - Tiger Lily:  10 years old. Manx calico spayed female. Very sweet.
  Likes to hunt.
  She has a wired left back leg from a previous fracture. She has a
  paralyzed bowel and
  needs oral medication twice a day.  Negative for FIV and FE
 
  - Babe Beckerle (Babe

Cross posting--Can anyone help...

[Chris]

This
was a cross post on Purring Pixie yahoo group I feel bad that this
woman was left high and dry by the local rescuer.. I sent her an
e-mail directly suggesting she join this group as she seems real devoted to
these two .

___




contact vivian_kao @
yahoo.com



- Original Message -

From: vivian kao

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 12:55 AM

Subject: 2 feleuk positive
cats need placement



Hi Heidi,



We are looking for help for
2 stray cats we trapped in our backyard. We 

are located in Takoma Park, MD.

Of course if someone was
willing to adopt them we'd drive them there.



We trapped them last week
and followed the advice of a local rescuer who recommended getting them fully
vetted and not euthanized regardless of their test results for feleuk.
Unfortunately they tested positive. I cannot adopt them since I have 2 indoor cats
that I don't want to infect.



Here's a recap of their
story as I know it:



They were first sighted late
last year on our street, a gorgeous adult cat traveling with a kitten. We
thought they belonged to a neighbor since they appeared kept and healthy, and
would make the rounds each day at a specific time. Also many people around here
don't have collars on their pets. It wasn't until the winter, when we'd see
them out in cold weather and looking more haggard that we realized they were
homeless. We didn't see them regularly, since the weather was bad but we began
leaving food out. When the weather became warmer they appeared more regularly
but the adult cat disappeared for a while. When we saw her again she was really
thin and looked unwell. We assumed they were mother and son. Later we'd see the
younger one trailing the adult and the adult seemingly annoyed and trying to
get away. The younger cat came regularly at mealtime. Then for whatever reason
they started traveling together again.



I had been calling rescue
organizations since August but didn't have much success getting calls returned.
I didn't want to call animal control since I feared they would just be
euthanized. Finally I became desperate when the older cat appeared ill and
found a local rescuer who told me that I needed to seek immediate medical
attention for the cats and adopt them. He loaned me traps, gave me basic
instructions and the name of a clinic. He said to get them tested also and not
to put them down since he'd probably be able to find somewhere to place them.
They did need medical attention since the older one had tonsillitis really bad
and the younger one had a huge abscess that required surgery. However, they
also both tested positive for Feline Leukemia and the younger one is also FIV
positive. So after paying a pretty large vet bill we didn't have anywhere for
them to go. Currently they are residing in a kitty condo in our shed. We cannot
let them in the house since we have cats and we cannot set them free since they
are contagious.



Since returning from the
vet's the older cat has had a really healthy appetite and the younger one as
well (she always had a good appetite). The funny thing is that the cat we
thought was the mom turned out to be male. He is rather tame and appears to be
an abandoned pet. He didn't seem to mind being contained as much and feels
comfortable enough to eat as soon as I put food in the cage. The younger, more
spirited cat is female and seems more frightened of people. She hides and will
not eat until I leave. She is about one and has been outside most of her life.
They have a very special bond.



Please post this on the
listserv. I will attach some photos. Please stay in touch and I will try to
remain hopeful that we find a good situation for these little cats.



Thanks for your time,

-Vivian Kao

301.445.2207





Chris

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RE: Cross posting--Can anyone help...

[Chris]

Good thoughtdo you
have #?





Chris

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Subject: Re: Cross posting--Can
anyone help...





Can you
suggest she call the Marley Fund if she hasn't already?





Michelle

RE: update on Katrina kitten with eye herpes

[Chris]

OK its good the
owners did what was best there are hundreds and hundreds of other
folks looking for their pets  the system that is set up is a nightmare for
even those of us who are not homeless, who have phones, power, etc. If
you dont have access to a computer and long distance phone service, you
just cant find your pet!





Chris

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Subject: Re: update on Katrina
kitten with eye herpes





Hey
Chris,





these
two were surrendered to us when the owners were living in Reunion arena. they
were very sick and the owners homeless. They did what was best.











see our available orphans at:
http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.html
Karen 817-453-4888

RE: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry

[Chris]

I think it depends on the cat and THE CAT'S MOOD!  The other night my 5
never budged as a water bug (LARGE cockroach) walked across the floor... I
on the other hand freaked out and they just kind of went off someplace to go
back to sleep!

Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry

I think it might just depend on the cat!  I've heard that all cats have
the instinct to catch prey...but they need to learn from their mothers
what do do with the prey once they catch it (ie. kill)...whether that's
true or not, I don't know...our boys (who were born with silver spoons
in their mouths, so-to-speak) are interested in the chase for all of a
few minutes before they get bored.  Our two girls, on the other hand,
who roughed it in the great outdoors when they were younger, are
nick-named The Destructors as they aren't satisified until a cockroach
is completely dismembered!  :)  Therefore, if I see a cockroach indoors,
I've learned to go for one of the girls as the boys just aren't all that
interested!



But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 1:25 pm
Subject: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC

 If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my 
 exterminators. That's very interesting--esp about the spider!
 
 I have a Q tho---do cats kill roaches??
 
 I have had one roach (abt a month ago)--it was actually dead when I 
 found it in my hallway, so I didn't freak out. D'you think it could 
 have been one of my cats that killed it? (I have never seen them 
 kill an insect--they just play with it, then get bored and walk away).
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye
 Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:43 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC
 
 
 I love spiders.  When I was in graduate school, my apartment was 
 overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate.  One day a 
 large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared.  The 
 spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my 
 bathtub and I could just rinse them down.  Eventually, no bugs.  
 Pest control came.  Killed the spider.  The next day, the bugs were 
 back.  Found another spider.  Bugs disappeared. Pest control came 
 and bugs were back
 
 If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my 
 exterminators. 
 But then I have always been weird
 
 Faye
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got
an
   irrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at one
   point...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of the
   spiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation
in
   Australia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to step on them
   anymore after I killed a black widow spider here at the office. 
 Ironic,   yes, but I felt so bad for days after doing the 
 deed...there is a great
   story my dad told me about his dad...back when my dad was a kid, 
 his dad
   discovered a black widow in the back yard...instead of disposing
of
   it, he set up a stool next to the web and grabbed a notebook to 
 study   its movements...he probably watched that spider for hours 
 on end
   absolutely fascinated by it! One day, the spider was gone and my
   grandfather immediately went to my dad thinking that he had done
   something to it (my grandfather was *so* upset! Dad hadn't gone near
   the spider, however)! Anyway, after hearing that story, my guilt was
   only compounded...
   
   Anyhoo, I'd like to add fire ants to the list of Why? :)
   
   
   
   But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you 
 will be
   unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the 
 world; You
   become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine
de
   Saint-Exupéry
   
   If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will
know
   each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
 what  you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys

RE: FeLV diet

[Chris]

I switched to canned Wellness recently and
my cats really like it. I reduced the amount of dry food I give them as a
couple had really put on too much weight. I order it online the
cheapest I found it was a site called the Hungry Puppy in NJ.





Chris

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From:
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On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005
2:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: FeLV diet





Does
anyone have any recommandations for a commercially available food?











Gary

RE: contact w/ felv pos, when to test?

[Chris]

That seems like a very short time  I would think a month or two
though even then it might not show up

Chris
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Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: contact w/ felv pos, when to test?

does anyone know how long after known contact with a felv positive you
should test to know for sure that you are getting an accurate Feline
leukemia test result, in other words how long does it take for the virus to
produce a positive (or hopefully negative) result? I've heard 7-10 days but
want to be sure.

Thank you Kristi

RE: We're outta here--Rita evacuation!--Susan

[Chris]

You, your family, your home are all in our thoughts...  Am in NY but we are
glued to the TV--this has been a terrible season  Just don't delay--it
sounds like most evacues will leave tomorrow and my guess is traffic will be
tough

Chris
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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 10:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: We're outta here--Rita evacuation!--Susan

Hi Susan!

I have heard from Gloria and I'll tell you the same thing I told her...I
feel extremely fortunate that I've got such a wonderful network of
friends all over the country!  Thank you so much for the support!  As of
now, we have reservations at the Motel 6 off of Hwy. 30 in Little
Rock...we will probably leave here early tomorrow morning and (fingers
crossed that our house is spared serious damage) head back to Houston on
Monday.  Although, we may leave sooner depending on the evacuation
orders...right now it's voluntary, but that is quickly going to
change...we're in a low lying area by the Bay of Galveston (elevation
only 16 ft.) and they're predicting a storm surge close to 20 ft.!

I'm happy we've got a place to stay (and wonderful offers) for the time
being...but I'll be honest, I'm scared to death that we're going to lose
our home!  I don't know if our flood insurance company will take pity on
us as we only signed up for insurance about 2 weeks ago (usually doesn't
take effect for a month).  Please keep our humble little home in your
thoughts!!  :)

And here is my cell phone #, as well:  281-229-1279...it's such a relief
to know that other Feleuk parents are nearby in case of an emergency!! 
Thank you so much, again...

Jen


But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 9:13 am
Subject: Re: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation!

 I know that the Airport Holiday Inn in Little Rock will allow pets -
 there was a tv spot talking to the manager saying they had dogs, 
 cats and birds - and maybe something else.  They showed bags of 
 donated food they had for the animals.  At the airport there is a 
 Holiday Inn and a Holiday Inn Express - and this was the regular 
 one.  I am working with a Gulfport couple who is staying at the 
 Residence Inn in Little Rock - and they have their cat there.  If 
 you come through Little Rock and need a  place for the cats I know 
 we can help.  Plus we know a groomer who will board free and Gloria 
 uses a boarding facility that will help out.  Or the dogs could 
 either stay with me or with Gloria overnight, I'm sure.  Y'all just 
 come on.  You can reach me at 501-416-7547 and Gloria at 501-666-
 9294.  I'm speaking without asking Gloria but I know she will ditto 
 what I said!
 
 Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Positive thoughts coming your way!
 
 Terri in NJ
 
 =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, 
 and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec  
 Salome' =^..^=
 
 Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/
 My FeLV Site: 
 http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My 
 Personal Page: 
 http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350--
 --- Original Message - 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:19 PM
 Subject: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation!
 
 
 Hi All!
 
 Well, it looks like a mandatory evacuation may be scheduled for our 
 area(SE Houston) by Thursday morning due to Rita...I'm hoping 
 beyond hope
 that the hurricane will change course, but we're not taking any 
 chances! If we have to leave, the animals are coming with us which 
 means 2 dogs,
 7 cats and a bearded dragon crammed into two cars...our plan is to 
 headnorth to Indiana where our parents live...but we will probaby 
 make a pit
 stop in Arkansas overnight...does any one know of any pet friendly
 hotels in the state?  I'm hoping that whatever hotel we choose will 
 pityour brood...but you never know!  Wish us luck and pray the 
 hurricanedoesn't do too much damage...and, most of all, keep our 
 Feleuk guys in
 your thoughts!
 
 Take care,
 
 Jen
 
 
 

RE: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation!

[Chris]

Here are a couple of links that might help...

http://www.pets-allowed-hotels.com/us/Arkansas/

http://www.dogfriendly.com/server/travel/guides/us/usstateAR.shtml

http://www.petfriendlytravel.com/?page=find_listingsstate=AR

Got these thru Google search on pet friendly hotels + Arkansas

I also know there is one large chain that changed its policy to allow pets
when the CEO of the company tried to check in at one of the upscale hotels
in the chain with his dog  they refused him...  I can't remember which
chain it is...

However, just a suggestion...  if you can find one of those one floor places
where you pull up to the door, just tell them you have one dog  bring the
troop in when no one is looking.

My parents have criss-crossed the country several times with a dog  had all
sorts of experiences.  They were traveling late one night in the winter,
found a motel who told them the dog would have to stay in the car for the
night.  My mother took the key  as she walked to the room, told them they
better call the police as the dog was most definitely not staying in the
car!  Other times when they weren't sure, they just didn't tell anyone about
the dog  snuck him in.  Like yourself, they weren't sightseing so they were
always in the room with him to make sure he didn't make too much noise
One of their dogs seem to instinstively know when she was being 'snuck' in 
as friendly as she was, she would be very quiet when my father would walk
her  stay quietly with him when he was ducking out of view

Here's hoping that you don't have to evacuate or that if you do, it will go
OK...

Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation!

Hi All!

Well, it looks like a mandatory evacuation may be scheduled for our area
(SE Houston) by Thursday morning due to Rita...I'm hoping beyond hope
that the hurricane will change course, but we're not taking any chances!
 If we have to leave, the animals are coming with us which means 2 dogs,
7 cats and a bearded dragon crammed into two cars...our plan is to head
north to Indiana where our parents live...but we will probaby make a pit
stop in Arkansas overnight...does any one know of any pet friendly
hotels in the state?  I'm hoping that whatever hotel we choose will pity
our brood...but you never know!  Wish us luck and pray the hurricane
doesn't do too much damage...and, most of all, keep our Feleuk guys in
your thoughts!

Take care,

Jen

RE: Help - a 5 wk old kitten swallowed a tip of the nippleinthebottle..

[Chris]

Well, I once had a vet tell me that if
they can eat the canned food, theyre ready to go off formula.
Dry food is a little different because of teeth, digestion, etc.





Chris

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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005
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Subject: RE: Help - a 5 wk old
kitten swallowed a tip of the nippleinthebottle..



Mine, too.. people keep
telling me that I need to wean them soon! Ceaser is doing better, but
still not up to his usuall  I hope he is ok!!











From:
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On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005
6:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Help - a 5 wk old
kitten swallowed a tip of the nipple inthebottle..





I had one of mine do that
when I tried feeding her when we rescued her from a car engineshe
immediately bit the top off the nipple but it was a small enough piece that it
apparently just passed thru. It did tell me that she was old enough for
canned food (which she had no problem with!).





Chris

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From:
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Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005
1:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Help - a 5 wk old
kitten swallowed a tip of the nipple in thebottle..



I need your advise  my 5 week
old baby, Ceaser chewed and bite off the top of the nipple (rubber) of the
bottle  not the whole top, but about a half or 1/3  I took him to
the vet.. and he felt that the time has passed so its too late for
trying to make him throw up  he said that I will have to watch the sign
of vomiting and stuff when I left the house this moring.. he was sort of
hiding which he does not do usually --- so now I am worried.. any advise?? (I
was told that I need to keep feeding him often to flush it out..)

RE: Leuk Positive Cat

[Chris]

Any chance she could keep this little guy with her others if they are
vaccinated.  Sounds like vet is ready to euthanize  may not be too
knowledgeable  Maybe she wants to read some of the posts here about
folks' experiences with mixed households  It sure sounds like she has
fallen in love with him!

Chris
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amy Wilkins
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Leuk Positive Cat 

Yet again, somebody has contacted me about helping out
a leukemia positive kitty.  Sorry to always be
dropping these on you guys but I just got married and
then came home and adopted 2 more cats (1 FIV+ and 1
FeLV+) the next day.  I'm out of room and I wanted to
write and see if anybody can take this cat.  I'll set
up transport if anybody has room for him. 

Here is a copy of the e-mail I got about him.  I also
have pictures of him that I will send to anybody that
is interested.  I need to find somebody within a
couple days or she will be euthanizing him.  He is in
Rochester, NY but I'm willing to set up transport up
to 8-10 hours away. 

(copy of e-mail) 

Dear Amy: 

Per Judy Newman's (Habitat for Cats?) request, I am
writing you to ask for your help, if you are able to
at all.  You have no idea how much I appreciate the
work you do for animals.  You are an angel.  Judy
asked me to give you as much information about this
cat as I could. 

I have been feeding feral/homeless cats for over 3
years now, every single morning at 5:30 am. (before
the owners get there, as they are not the nicest
people when it comes to compassion for these animals),
through rain and snow, behind Lorraine's Restaurant on
Culver and East Main.  I have seen quite a few
different animals, but the one I am now speaking of
just came about last Tuesday.  After putting the food
and water out, this cute cat let me come close to it,
then actually allowed me to scratch his head.  As I
started to get up, he sidled up to my leg and started
to follow me back to my car.  The next morning, I did
not see him, but on Thursday, with cage in the back
seat and a towel to grab it with, he allowed me to
pick it up and I brought it home to my back bedroom,
where, although a bit frightened, he let me pet him
and he gobbled up food. 

His demeanor is sweet.  At first, I thought it
couldn't be homeless due to its sweet way, but the
greasy coat, and matted fur, and malnourished body
that the veterinarian told me told me this morning it
had, convinced me otherwise.   At home I took a
washcloth and tried to bathe it the best I could.  He
even has started to play with strings. 

I had made an appointment for it on Monday, today, the
22nd of August for its shots and neutering.  I have
six other cats whom I have rescued over the years.  I
was planning on trying to find a home for this one
because as you know, its hard on the other cats in the
house - especially when they are all so territorial
already!  I brought the homeless kitty in this morning
and the vet immediately called me to say they had it
tested and it has feline leukemia.  Which broke  my
heart.  I called Humane Society as I have heard of
sanctuaries for these cats. They referred me to Judy
Newman. 

The reason this breaks my heart the most, is that this
cat is less than a year old, has very beautiful green,
loving eyes, purrs for me, plays with me, loves to be
held and rub his nose against your face.  He is also
litter trained.  He is like a black/brown striped
medium to long haired beauty.  I love him already so
much, but know I can't keep him with the other cats in
the house. 

The vet did the neutering procedure this morning, and
gave him his rabies and distemper shot.  They also
cleaned his mats out of fur.  I had him scheduled for
4 pm. to be put to sleep, but then received the call
from Judy an hour ago saying there may be hope, with
you.  And I know that is a slight chance, but Amy, you
have no idea how much you have helped already, knowing
someone out there cares about something that they
haven't even seen.  If you had by now, you would be in
love.  He is just the sweetest.  I called the vet and
asked them to give him the name Homey for now, so
that he at least will have had a name in his short
life.  I just called the vet and told them I would be
picking up the cat today at 4pm, at least for a few
days, and am going to take him home and give him some
great meals and loving, until I hear back from you. 






Amy Wilkins 
Woof Wagon
www.woofwagon.com




Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs 
 

Emergency kitten food....

[Chris]

A few
months ago??? Someone posted a sort of homemade recipe for kitten
food---I meant to save it but of course I didntThere was a post
in another group from someone who found a kitten  was sort of stuck trying
to figure out what to feed it  I recall that this recipe was
mostly food that most folks have at home. At the risk of imposing on someone,
could you repost the recipe. 



Thank
you (I will save it this time!)



Chris

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RE: CLS

[Chris]

What a terrible story and
what a wonderful thing you have done for these little guys. There
do seem to be a lot of unscrupulous or ignorant people out there doing rescueI
admire anyone who does rescue responsibly and carefully but have no sympathy
for those who start out without knowing what theyre doing
It sounds like this woman defines rescue as saving from the
shelter but has no clue as to what to do thenshe maybe sounds like a
hoarder? Perhaps you should post your story on some of the rescue group
sites as well as here so that an alert can go out about her.
Unfortunately, with her willingness to step in at critical times, her 50 cats
will jump to hundreds in a very small period of time.





Chris

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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005
1:44 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: CLS





Belinda,











Regretfully, will you add dear, sweet, little Ellen to the CLS as
deceased. 8/24/05.











She just gave up late yesterday, and all I could do
was hold her in my arms thru the night, whispering reassurances to her that
although all 1.3 lbs. of her put up such a brave, determined effort to
fight, it was okay for her to go to sleep and join the other
fur-angels. She had earned her wings. She passed,
quietly in my arms during the early morning hours.











I am completelydevastated with losing her.





Such a sweet, tiny little baby, but she's struggled so hard to
stay alive.





She tried so hard, she had a determined spirit for such a frail baby.





But she was just so small, so innocent.





She just didn't have the strength to fight anymore, and it was
heartbreaking to look in her eyes  realize she'd just given up.





For the short time she was with me, she definitely stole a big
piece of my





heart...











What a cruel fate, such an awful death, for her  all the
others that died senselessly because of the irresponsibility of her
supposed rescuer.





Yes, they were spared the horror of the gas chamber,
but for all these innocents to die such a horrible death due to the
transport from hell, I wonder which fate would have been the lesser
of the two evils...











The heartbreak of all this is also NOT knowing how many other
innocents died from exposure to the still UNKNOWN KILLER of the transported cats, all due to the failure of the person
doing the transport to be upfront  honest with all of us involved. And
also how many cats are STILL at risk because the while truth hasn't been told???





Also, her sheer DISREGARD for the lives of these babies by basically just cramming the 20+
cats into a small vehicle, UNVETTED WITH NO PAPERWORK from the shelter, mixing litters, crammed into carriers  the
cardboard temporary carriers, like sardines, without food, water or
even a damn litterbox for the long ride , non-stop, from Georgia to Pa., on one
of the hottest, most humid days,then to Ohio, then to N.Y., then finally back
to HER home in Pa.(a 2 bedroom townhouse, in which she already is
housing 50 (Yes, FIFTY!!!), of her own cats











AND, as if things couldn't be any worse, this was her SECOND large transport from the SAME SHELTER in a two week period!!











How in the hell could this be allowed to happen???





This woman is NOT A RESCUER, BUT A MURDEROUS COLLECTOR!!!











I apologize for my harshness, I am NOT an evil person





But I am over-ridden with grief  guilt. If I had been
able to think that afternoon, I should have called The Adams Co. SPCA to the
scene, but I justdid not have my wits together..Regrets,
I am having a VERY difficult time DEALING w/ the reality  gravity of the horror!











The SENSELESS loss of so many lives, the unknown number of other innocents that
are now in danger.











Right now, I would like to put this woman in the trunk of a small
car on a hot, humid day, drive 600-700 miles, and then toss her in
a gas chamber...











I do not mean to offend anyone on this list. God knows, I love you
all and you all have been such a wonderful, supportive, compassionate group of
people, no doubt this list has always been my favorite due to the fact of the
closeness  support.





So, please forgive me, but I NEEDED TO VENT!!!





I am totally heartbroken and have lost faith in what RESCUE is supposed to be about...





I always believed it meant saving the innocents, NOT
killing them.





After this, I think it's time I just throw in the towel.





My heart is broken, to the point I am saying hateful things.





It's time to quit.





Patti

RE: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 7, Issue 95

[Chris]

My Tucson had exactly the same symptoms  that's how I found out she was
FELV+.  Vet also did an IFA test (blood sent out to lab)  I would suggest
that just to confirm diagnosis. 

My vet gave Tucson a series of immuno-regulin shots  her wbc count went
right back up.  This happened to her twice  both times it worked great.  If
your vet does not know about this there is a section on main page that
describes it  it is easily available to vets.

Chris
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of margaret thresher
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:15 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 7, Issue 95

Hi

Many thanks to those of you who wrote to me for your support and
encouragement.

To answer some of the questions raised, I took Misty to the vet because she
had stopped eating and was very lethargic.  Her temperature was taken and
was high so she was put onto antibiotics.  She didn't improve and so a blood
test was done which showed low levels of WBC and also a low protein level,
the vet then suggested the ELISA test and also a urine test.  The urine test
showed blood and protein, cystitis I believe and the ELISA test was
positive.

She currently is still off her food, although she licks the jelly off of the
meat and is on a course of antibiotics to help with the cystitis.

Thank you all

Margaret

RE: My little man has gone to rainbow bridge

[Chris]

I am so sorry for your
loss. Hell always be in that little place in your heart
where only the good memories stay..





Chris

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Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005
11:26 AM
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Subject: My little man has gone to
rainbow bridge







My dear
boy Bramble was put to sleep about an hour ago. I mentioned yesterday that he
started to get very stressed with syringe feedingdespite trying to be as
calm as possible for him. But aside from that - he was drinking excess so I
wondered about this kidneys failing, he went a bit wobbly and very depressed,
started to waste and started to hide for last two days. I kept bringing him out
to cuddle him but he was so sick. After going through FIV before and knowing
how much of a fight Bramble has had for the last 2-3 years with FIV related
symptoms I knew that this was the rihgt time for him to go - he was telling me
that he had had enough. When I was last really concerned about him I spoke to
him and explained that I love him and really want to help him but that if he
had had enough and wanted to leave his body here that it was ok and he
couldstay in spirit - he got very uncomfortable about this andalong
with signs I had got from praying etc.. I felt he wanted to stay and we kept
fighting - this time I spoke to him and he just purred and nuzzled me - he
lifted his head up and kissed my mouth - and gave me a little need as if to say
I've had enough nowplease help me. His affection and kneading was
different this time is was very much a cry for help and comfort.











I
planned to take him to the vets tomorrow but he was getting more lathargic by
the minute so today I phonedand thankfullyhis usual vet was in. 











Today
he cuddled up to me for about 90 minutes before we went to the vet andI
was telling him about what would happen - he clung on to me and put his paw i
my handand was the most content I've seen him for a while - it was as if
he knewit would be our last time together.The vet did her
best to try and find something that was treatable whilst I stood sobbing away
(she was fighting tears too as she got a bit attached to Bramble) and then said
that one of his kidneys had enlarged quite a lotwhich was not the case
when he was there about a week ago -she agreed she thought it was time and so I
asked for a sedative for him first. He reacted strongly to that and vomited
which I haven't seen before but eventually after fighting it for a while calmed
down and lay on his fluffy blanket -I kept telling himiy was ok
togo to sleep. After he was put to sleep I covered him up with his head
and paw sticking out and he looked snug andpeaceful - I gave him lots of
kisses and told him to come home whenever he wanted to - and to go and find my
last cat Tidge at rainbow bridge until I get there. Once injected he passed
quickly and peacfully.











I
couldn't put him through anymore - he had mentally given up so I had to help
him go. Never gets any easier and heart breaking every time - but I am happy that
everything was done for him inthe end and happy that he is no longer in
pain because I know he was starting to be in pain. It was worth taking him from
the sanctuary for the short 4 months or so we had - he was a special little man
and a very brave one.











I will
stay a group member though as I still have Minstrel and Buddy











Michelle

RE: Alternative treatments

[Chris]

I have two FELV+ who are 7  5+
respectively. I did not know of their diagnosis until last year when they were
6  4. I have 3 non-pos who lived with the 6 year old since kittenhood
 are still neg. Its not an automatic death sentence particularly for
adult cats. You will get a lot of good, more detailed advice from the members
of this group. What made the vet test for FELV? Is she displaying any
symptoms Diagnosis on my 7 year old was made when I brough her in for
not eating  general listnessness. Blood test revealed low wbc  led
to ELISSA  IFA tests to confirm. She had series of immuno-regulin twice
for the same problem  is fine (a real porko that one!). My 5 year old was
a stray who spent the first few years of his life on the street  he has
been symptom free. 





Chris

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Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005
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Subject: Alternative treatments





My cat Misty has just been diagnosed
by my vet as positive for feline leukaemia and the vet has told me that there
are no real treatments for this condition and that now she has been positively
diagnosed she is unlikely to live longer than a year. I have looked
through at various sites and am totally confused by the amount of information
out there, HELP!!! Can anyone give me any no nonsense advice with regard
to holistic treatment availability or indeed any advice. I have been
looking at Willard's water and colloidal silver. Does anyone have any
information on these or anything that might help her, she is only approximately
two years old and I have only had her for six months as she was abandoned
by her previous owner. 

RE: Buck is Home

[Chris]

How
about a little of both dry  wet at different times during the day?





Chris

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Subject: Buck is Home



Thanks everyone for your prayers and
good wishes for Buck. Much to my and the Vets surprise Buck came home this
morning and he seems to be doing fine. The first couple of days I had to go to
the Docs to feed him, he want eat for anyone but me. They put him on Hill's S/D
dry and he loves it. I could never get him to eat anything but Fancy Feast at
home. I'm so surprised that he likes it, I never had a cat who would eat it.
They don't recommend PU surgery for him because of his felv. The Vet said we
should pts,but my husband said no way not without a fight. I'm so glad he stood
his ground because Buck is acting like his old self again. If we had listen to
docs we would have pts 12 yrs ago. The Vet said he can't guarantee that he want
block again, but I will do everything I can to try to prevent it. I have a lot
of research to do on diet, because I've always been told dry food is not good
for kitties who have blocked and giving Buck medicine is like trying to sand
paper a tigers behind. I can't even get him to let me give him water. He is not
a feral but he sure acts like it if you try to put anything in his mouth. He
weighs 16 lb. now down form his usual 20 and still very strong. So any advice
you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again everyone. I don't
know what I would do without this list and all the wonderful people on
it. Sheila, Buck and the gang.

RE: thoughts Adri is dead

[Chris]

Adri will never disappear she will
always be in your heart





Chris

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Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 8:36
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: thoughts Adri is dead





Thank you.Since I am new in town I do
knowmany people here. Your words and support mean a lot for me.

I have been thinking very weir
things: Do you think animals have soul? do they move to another place?
how we knowif they don't just disappear?

You know? I could help notice that I never have cry
for the people that have diein other countries in the war,starving
in Africa, accidents, etc I mean I feel very sorry and I think
it is awfull; butI never have cryed for them as I have cried for
Adri. Adri is just a cat. Is it wrong?

Alejandra




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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Adri is dead
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:53:51 EDT

I am so sorry I know exactly how you feel. I am going through the same
thing
with my Buck, but he is still holding on. I think he really wants to go be
with his brother. Give Chema
lots of love. I'll be praying for you.

Sheila

RE: Adri is really sick

[Chris]

Im so sorry to hear that I
know you have tried so very hard for these little guys What is
happening to Adri now? Maybe some folks here can help with some things you can
do for him at home





Chris

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Subject: Adri is really sick





I just came back for the veterinary, he told me
Adri is about to die. I feel so bad. I do not know what to do. I do
not have enogh money to affort a hospitalization,tests, transfusions.
I feel so bad. I do not know what to do

Alejandra

Help for Adri

[Chris]

Im not really experienced enough to
give you specifics I know there are other people on this list who are
and perhaps they can give you some suggestions I know that getting her
to drink is real important so anything you can do to get her to take some water
also, try to feed her anything at allwater from a can of tuna, baby food
(without onions), turkey breast, yogurt, cottage cheese, absolutely anything
that you think she might try. Did the vet see her? What did he say was going
on with her? I know that sometimes they want to run a lot of tests but he
should have been able to give you a better idea of whats going on with
Adri.





Chris

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Sent: Friday, July
 22, 2005 4:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: re:





She is very pale, she does not want to eat, to drink,
to walk, she barely moves; (she never meauw) but since today when she try to
walk and fall she start to make a very sad noise it is not a normal meaw is
loud and different I do not how to decribe it

RE: Help for Adri

[Chris]

Anybody who has ever lost a pet for any
reason feels terriblemy family always had cats  dogs who had
somehow just shown up or that they got from someone who didnt want them
anymore. Whenever we lost one, as hard as it was, I always thought that
if that cat or dog hadnt found us they would have died a terrible death
somewhere all alone.. If you and Adri hadnt found each other,
imagine how hard it would have been for her. You have given her some
wonderful time, a lot of love,  the best care possible. And in
return she gives you love and all those great moments we all have with our pets
I have 5 cats now, 2 are pos,--when their time comes, I wont regret any
minute of my time with them. No matter how things go with Adri, she will
always be in your heart





Chris

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Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:03
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Subject: Re: Help for Adri





I feel horrible. They are my first pet ever. I do not
want to have a FeLV(+) cat never again. This is to hard to live again


From: Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help for Adri
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:54:01 -0400

Uh-oh

Sounds like she's got anemia. Has she been tested for hemobartinella? If
she has and is not infected, the vet may (unfortunately) be correct..I've
lost 3 due to severe anemia. It's devastating, I know.

Positive vibes and hugs coming your way.

=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=

Furkid Photos!
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 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 4:49 PM
 Subject: Help for Adri


 I'm not really experienced enough to give you specifics. I know there are
other people on this list who are and perhaps they can give you some
suggestions. I know that getting her to drink is real important so anything you
can do to get her to take some water. also, try to feed her anything at
all-water from a can of tuna, baby food (without onions), turkey breast,
yogurt, cottage cheese, absolutely anything that you think she might try. Did
the vet see her? What did he say was going on with her? I know that sometimes
they want to run a lot of tests but he should have been able to give you a
better idea of what's going on with Adri..



 Chris

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Moreno
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: re:



 She is very pale, she does not want to eat, to drink, to walk, she barely
moves; (she never meauw) but since today when she try to walk and fall she
start to make a very sad noise it is not a normal meaw is loud and different I
do not how to decribe it

RE: Adri is dead

[Chris]

I am so sorry for your loss. Though
her life was short, Adri had a good time while here. She even got
to see more of the country then a lot of people do! Give Chema a big hug
I know he misses Adri as much as you do but the two of you can get through this
together 





Chris

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Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:44
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Subject: Adri is dead





Thank you all for your words. I am feeling very
bad. 

I still have chema, he is also FeLV(+) (I adopted Adri
and Chema at the same time, i didn't know they had FeLV). Chema has been pretty
heathly. I really hope he will be heathly for looong time.

it is heartbreaking see
chema looking for Adri






From: Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help for Adri
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:57:26 -0400

Don't punish yourself over this. It isn't your fault. I understand why you
feel that way though. my husband said the same thing after we lost our fourth
FeLV+ cat, Alec. It just got too painful.

Keep your chin up.

Terri B in NJ
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 Subject: Re: Help for Adri


 I feel horrible. They are my first pet ever. I do not want to have a
FeLV(+) cat never again. This is to hard to live again

 From: Terri Brown
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 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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 Subject: Re: Help for Adri
 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:54:01 -0400
 
 Uh-oh
 
 Sounds like she's got anemia. Has she been tested for hemobartinella?
If she has and is not infected, the vet may (unfortunately) be
correct..I've lost 3 due to severe anemia. It's devastating, I know.
 
 Positive vibes and hugs coming your way.
 
 =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi,
and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=
 
 Furkid Photos!
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/
 My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/http://pagesivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/
 My Personal Page:
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  From: Chrismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 4:49 PM
  Subject: Help for Adri
 
 
  I'm not really experienced enough to give you specifics. I know there
are other people on this list who are and perhaps they can give you some
suggestions. I know that getting her to drink is real important so anything you
can do to get her to take some water. also, try to feed her anything at
all-water from a can of tuna, baby food (without onions), turkey breast,
yogurt, cottage cheese, absolutely anything that you think she might try. Did
the vet see her? What did he say was going on with her? I know that sometimes
they want to run a lot of tests but he should have been able to give you a
better idea of what's going on with Adri..
 
 
 
  Chris
 
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Martha Alejandra Moreno
  Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 4:43 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: re:
 
 
 
  She is very pale, she does not want to eat, to drink, to walk, she
barely moves; (she never meauw) but since today when she try to walk and fall
she start to make a very sad noise it is not a normal meaw is loud and
different I do not how to decribe it
 
 
 
 
 

RE: OT: Pit bull seizures in Denver

[Chris]

Yeah for your friends..





Chris

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From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:39
AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Pit bull seizures
in Denver





Yeah, I heard about this. Some friends of mine
from college had there pit bulls taken and the county refused to release them
because the older one growled at the control officers. They broke into
the pound in the middle of the night and stole them back. Its amazing
what some moxey and a pair of bolt-cutters can do for you.. They now
live, altogether again, in New York state.

Chris
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I know this is off topic but I remember the
discussions we had about pitt bulls a couple of months ago  wondered if
anyone had seen this

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Denver Pit Bull Owners in a Panic Over Ban

July 20, 2005 7:38 PM EDT

DENVER - A few weeks ago, two police cars and two
animal control vehicles pulled up at the home of Stef'ny Steffen looking for
her beloved 4-year-old pit bull, Xena. Seven officers hauled the animal off to
the city shelter, putting her on death row.

Xena became an outlaw after Denver won a court fight
and reinstated one of the toughest pit-bull bans in the nation. Since May, more
than 380 dogs have been impounded and at least 260 destroyed - an average of
more than three a day.

Dog owners are in a panic. Some are using an underground
railroad of sorts, sending their pets to live elsewhere or hiding them from
authorities. City officials would not estimate how many people might be
violating the ordinance.

Some owners, like Steffen, have won a reprieve for
their pets with help from a rescue group. The group got Xena released by
signing an affidavit stating that the animal would never return to Denver. The
group took the dog to Mariah's Promise in Divide, an animal sanctuary that has
accepted more than three dozen pit bulls from Denver.

For Steffen and her partner, Gina Black, leaving Xena
60 miles from home was a lousy option but the only one they had.

It's safer than animal control. Safer than
keeping her underground - at least she'll be able to play now, Steffen
said. But she'll miss us. We're her pack.

Denver is one of three major metropolitan areas, along
with Miami and Cincinnati, to ban pit bulls, according to Glen Bui, vice
president of the American Canine Foundation.

Pit bull typically describes three kinds of dogs - the
American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire
Bull Terrier. But Denver's ban applies to any dog that looks like a pit bull.
The animal's actual behavior does not matter.

City Councilman Charlie Brown said that in his judgment,
pit bulls are trained to attack. They're bred to do that.

Critics of the ban use words like
annihilation and genocide, and the city shelter has
received e-mails likening animal control officers to Nazis.

Breed bans are just a knee-jerk reaction to
something that happened in the community, Bui said.

Denver banned pit bulls in 1989 after dogs mauled a
minister and killed a boy in separate attacks. The Legislature passed a law in
2004 that prohibited breed-specific bans, but the city sued and a judge ruled
in April the law was an unconstitutional violation of local control.

Critics of the ordinance say that a blanket ban on an
entire breed is misguided that the law should instead target irresponsible
owners and all dangerous dogs.

If anyone says one dog is more likely to kill -
unless there's a study out there that I haven't seen - that's not based on
scientific data, said Julie Gilchrist, a doctor at the federal Centers
for Disease Control and Prevention who researches dog bites.

The CDC, the American Veterinary Medical Association
and the Humane Society of the United States examined 20 years of dog-bite data
and concluded that pit bulls and Rottweilers caused the most deaths.

But the researchers also noted that fatal attacks
represent a small proportion of dog-bite injuries and that the number of bites
per breed simply seems to rise with their popularity.

At the city shelter, pit bulls are cordoned off from
other dogs in what has become death row. Nearly 100 pit bulls have been
released to live outside the county. A nonresident must guarantee the dog will
never return to Denver.

Sonya Dias, who is moving out of Denver because of the
ban, said she was a little intimidated by her pit bull when she first saw him.
But when I said, `Hey little doggie,' his whole body just started
wagging. Gryffindor is staying at Mariah's Promise until Dias sells her
home.

He's been dangerous to a couple of pairs of
shoes and some mini-blinds, Dias said. But otherwise he's a
jewel.

---





Chris

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RE: Our boys' B-day!

[Chris]

Better than not too shabby--happy birthday to the guys!

Chris
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 3:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Our boys' B-day!

I was going to wait to post on the actual day...but since the list is a
little slow (and because I couldn't wait to announce it)  :) ...Our
boys, Sleepypants and Ewok, will be 3 years old on the 22nd!  :)  Not
too shabby for a couple of guys born with the virus!  :)

Jen


But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan
George

OT: Pit bull seizures in Denver

[Chris]

I
know this is off topic but I remember the discussions we had about pitt
bulls a couple of months ago  wondered if anyone had seen this

__



Denver
Pit Bull Owners in a Panic Over Ban

July
 20, 2005 7:38 PM EDT

DENVER
- A few weeks ago, two police cars and two animal control vehicles pulled up at
the home of Stef'ny Steffen looking for her beloved 4-year-old pit bull, Xena.
Seven officers hauled the animal off to the city shelter, putting her on death
row.

Xena
became an outlaw after Denver won a court fight and reinstated
one of the toughest pit-bull bans in the nation. Since May, more than 380 dogs
have been impounded and at least 260 destroyed - an average of more than three
a day.

Dog
owners are in a panic. Some are using an underground railroad of sorts, sending
their pets to live elsewhere or hiding them from authorities. City officials
would not estimate how many people might be violating the ordinance.

Some
owners, like Steffen, have won a reprieve for their pets with help from a
rescue group. The group got Xena released by signing an affidavit stating that
the animal would never return to Denver. The group took the dog
to Mariah's Promise in Divide, an animal sanctuary that has accepted more than
three dozen pit bulls from Denver.

For
Steffen and her partner, Gina Black, leaving Xena 60 miles from home was a
lousy option but the only one they had.

It's
safer than animal control. Safer than keeping her underground - at least she'll
be able to play now, Steffen said. But she'll miss us. We're her
pack.

Denver
is one of three major metropolitan areas, along with Miami and Cincinnati, to
ban pit bulls, according to Glen Bui, vice president of the American Canine
Foundation.

Pit
bull typically describes three kinds of dogs - the American Pit Bull Terrier,
American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. But Denver's
ban applies to any dog that looks like a pit bull. The animal's actual behavior
does not matter.

City
Councilman Charlie Brown said that in his judgment, pit bulls are trained
to attack. They're bred to do that.

Critics
of the ban use words like annihilation and genocide,
and the city shelter has received e-mails likening animal control officers to
Nazis.

Breed
bans are just a knee-jerk reaction to something that happened in the
community, Bui said.

Denver
banned pit bulls in 1989 after dogs mauled a minister and killed a boy in
separate attacks. The Legislature passed a law in 2004 that prohibited
breed-specific bans, but the city sued and a judge ruled in April the law was
an unconstitutional violation of local control.

Critics
of the ordinance say that a blanket ban on an entire breed is misguided that
the law should instead target irresponsible owners and all dangerous dogs.

If
anyone says one dog is more likely to kill - unless there's a study out there
that I haven't seen - that's not based on scientific data, said Julie
Gilchrist, a doctor at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
who researches dog bites.

The
CDC, the American Veterinary Medical Association and the Humane Society of the United
  States examined 20 years of dog-bite data and concluded that pit bulls and
Rottweilers caused the most deaths.

But
the researchers also noted that fatal attacks represent a small proportion of
dog-bite injuries and that the number of bites per breed simply seems to rise
with their popularity.

At
the city shelter, pit bulls are cordoned off from other dogs in what has become
death row. Nearly 100 pit bulls have been released to live outside the county.
A nonresident must guarantee the dog will never return to Denver.

Sonya
Dias, who is moving out of Denver because of the ban, said she
was a little intimidated by her pit bull when she first saw him. But when
I said, `Hey little doggie,' his whole body just started wagging.
Gryffindor is staying at Mariah's Promise until Dias sells her home.

He's
been dangerous to a couple of pairs of shoes and some mini-blinds, Dias
said. But otherwise he's a jewel.

---





Chris

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RE: housing/fostering of FeLV+ cats

[Chris]

In case no one has told you lately, what a great thing you are doing!  How
many do you keep at one time?

Chris
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karolyn Lount
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: housing/fostering of FeLV+ cats

Hi, I believe I said I could take one (1) at this time. I was one of the
Founders  of Island Cat Rescue, 11 yrs. ago. At the present time I am
a member of 2nd Chance Cat Rescue.
All the cats are kept indoors except for the patio that has Fence In
around the top of it. I have been taking in Felv+ cats for 13yrs. I have
been a client of Dr.Wong of Blue Cross Pet Hosp., in San Francisco for
22yrs. At times I have used Alameda Pet Hosp, Providence Hosp, both in
Alameda. and I have used Broadway Pet Hosp. in Oakland since they are
open on Sundays. In addition I have taken several cats to Univ. of
Calif., at Davis Vet. College.
All cats get the very best of medical care until the FeLV takes over,
then they are helped over the Rainbow Bridge. When I said I would take a
cat unseen I have done this for yrs. Some one would call me about a
FeLV+ cat that needed a home. I didn't care if it was young/old,
cute/ugly shy,etc. It was a FeLV cat that need a home. If I had room I
would say yes. I would even get calls from well known rescue groups. I
will only take one at a time as it is only fair to the cats that I now
have and the new cat. The lady that comes to help once a week is a
retired Head Officer from the city of Alameda Animal Control. Since I
am an older lady plans have been made in a Trust for the cats when I
pass on. If you want any more info. please do give me a call at 510 522
4762. FeLV cats have a right to live and not be Put Down I now have
one that is 11yrs old. She may very well be a carrier.

RE: Spanky - CLS

[Chris]

12
yearswhat a wonderful life he hadyou were both so very lucky to
have found each other





Chris

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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:33
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Spanky - CLS



 Belinda, Please add my boy
Spanky to CLS he was felv + and had a pu surgery two years ago. He was fine
this morning eating going to litter box. This was so unexpected I am in
complete shock. He showed no sign of sickness.
 He was gray and white rag doll 12 years old. He gave me kisses and
headbutts everyday even when he was not feeling well. He was so gentle and
loving and I can't imagine waking up tomorrow and not seeing his beautiful
face. You would think after losing so many precious ones that it would get
easier, but this has really broken my heart.

Sheila

Cat TRansport from AW

[Chris]

I'm afraid I've sort of lost track of route but this was posted in another
group  was wondering if it might help.

Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Chris]



Message: 1 
   Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:25:21 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Joanie Stambaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Transport Available Thur. 7/14 from Gatlinburg, TN to Charleston,
WV

Permission to CROSS POST!! If you need to get a cat or dog back North from
TN, KY or the general vicinity, CALL THERESA at  304-395-3971 and make
arrangements.

From: Theresa Thornburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Transport Available Thur. 7/14 from Gatlinburg, TN to Charleston,
WV 
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:12:52 -0400

PERMISSION TO CROSS POST. DO NOT E-MAIL ME, I HAVE NO E-MAIL ACCESS AS OF 
7/12. CALL THERESA AT 304-395-3971 IF YOU NEED MY HELP.

I will be returning from Gatlinburg, TN to Charleston, WV this Thursday, 
7/14. I have a cargo van and 6 very large dog crates. I'd like to find 
someone to help in getting animals to safety. My timetable is not set nor 
my route so I am flexible as to how I get back to Charleston, WV.

I require age appropriate rabies vaccine and health records, health cert. if

possible, collar and leash for dogs over 4 mos. and a donation, whatever you

can afford, towards my gas, toll and van rental expenses.



Theresa and the furkids at:
TLC (Theresa's Little Critters)
P.O. Box 70235
Charleston WV 25301
304-395-3971
http://www.TLC4U.petfinder.org






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RE: Alum foil

[Chris]

Had the same experience trying to keep
them off a new couch (silly me!)it was so much fun picking up shreds of
aluminum foil all over the apt for weeks. Ultimately, got a cover for the
couch. As for peeing, I have one who will periodically start upnot
UTIsshe is on Clonicalm  it really seems to work for her
(knock on wood)





Chris

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Behalf Of catatonya
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:30
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Alum foil





I tried this once. For maybe 2 days they were
afraid of the foil. Then they played with the foil, tore it into bits,
and peed in the area. You might have better luck though!
It's always worth a try.











t

Del Daniels
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The noise of their pee on the foil
might tend to foil the act. My house would be well decorated, but it is
definitely an interesting thought. 











Del







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From: Cherie A
Gabbert 





To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org






Sent: Monday,
July 11, 2005 9:38 PM





Subject: Re: Bottom
Lip/Cherie











I did just look up Rodent ulcer and I am pretty sure
that is what she has.it seems to have gotten a little worse but only
slightly, the vet will be here next Tuesday, I am calling her tomorrow to see
if she can send me something or tell me how to make Candy feel better.











Thanks for you insight











By the by regarding urinating problems, I read putting
aluminum foil is the trouble spots might help deter marking.

Del Daniels
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







Sunny James had a swollen upper lip on one side ...
rodent ulcer ... it disappeared on its own. At the time I could not
remember what I had read about it and asked in this group because I, too, was
concerned about it being contagious ... it is not. Usually from food allergies.
Since Sunny James' fat lip did not reoccur, I wondered if it had been an
allergic reaction to an insect bite. 











Del







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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org






Sent: Monday,
July 11, 2005 8:12 PM





Subject: Bottom
Lip/Cherie















I seem to recall someone on the list a few years ago having
kitty that had this on their lips. Forgive I can't remember who it was for the
life of me.











In a message dated 7/11/2005 2:25:14 PM Pacific
Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:





Our group has had one kitty with a
rodent ulcer on the upper lip. 
The vet put him on steroids. Not considered contagious.

Gloria

On Jul 11, 2005, at 1:20 PM, Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

 1)
 I have a slight problem, my Himmie Candy has a sore on her bottom 
 lip, that I can not identify, any thoughts? She is a negative to 
 FeLV and I have a vet coming out next week, I am just worried that 
 it could spread to the others.

 2)
 I have to join the pee club I seem to have someone, not sure
who 
 have little accidents in two corners of the house, any thoughts how 
 to determine which one it is...I only have one male but it is not 
 vertical spraying and it is not alot...

 Any help would be appreciated ;-))
 Cherie

















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Re: CLS Monday July 11, 2005

[chris]

When you get a chance, could you please add Sylvester. He died in my arms on June 17.

Thanks,
Chris Behnke

-- Original message --  Hi All,  It's been a tough, sad couple of weeks for all. Prayers for all of  the sicj furkids to feel better. Take care all, and please le me know  if I have forgotten anyone, I've been swamped with work again, still behind.   FeLV Candle Light Service  http://www.bemikitties.com/cls   --  Belinda  Happiness is being owned by cats ...   Be-Mi-Kitties ...  http://www.bemikitties.com   Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens  http://adopt.bemikitties.com 

Re: Fw: leukemia kitten needs home (owners need education), Tucson, AZ.

[chris]

Where is this kitten located?

Thanks,
Chris

-- Original message -- 



They are not even considering that he might just have maternal antibodies. Can someone write to these people and educate them? I'm so busy with the Angel Wings cats, I don't have time!

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Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:08 PM
Subject: [HermitageCats] leukemia kitten
Hi Everyone, Catalina Pet Hospital called me to see if I knew of anyone who would be interested in taking on a 10 week old male brown tabby kitten who tested positive for feline leukemia. The owners wanted him put down but Dr. Haskell is hoping to find someone who will take him. He is doing fine and Dr. Haskell reports that he is very, very sweet. If anyone is interested, please give me a call at 744-3357. Thanks, Patty 


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Re: my email and server crashed!

[chris]

My husband may have some space but I won't be able to ask him until about 4:30 EST tonight. Will let you know what he says.

Chris Behnke

-- Original message -- 




Hi guys, I can't get any of my email on my [EMAIL PROTECTED] address, and my server my website is hosted on crashed at the worst possible time for these cats! I've got emergency support tickets in at my hosting company, so hopefully it will work again soon, until then, I just subscribed with this address, my ISP email address. What happened yesterday and today on the list as far as the AW cats go? Please send this email address out to people trying to contact me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I'm not sure how long my ucat.us mail will be down.

Anybody got any extra webspace and want to host the FIV and FELV cats webpages temporarily until my site comes back online?
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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Re: FELV and FIV cats removed from Angel Wings yesterday

[chris]

If needed, I can take at least one FeLV+ cat. I live in Michigan, so we would have to setup a transport. Let me know if you need my help.

God Bless,
Chris Behnke

-- Original message -- 




UPDATE:


"We seized 50-60 cats from Angel Wings yesterday. Briefly, we found 10 dead cats in varying stages of decay. Got 35 or so cats vetted. 3 were FeLV+ and 6 were FIV. We want to get pictures of these guys up quick. Please call me if you need to. We do not really have space and resources, fosters etc. If we find an owner, that would be great."

"It was worse than I thought, guess worse than anyone thought. I alternated between crying and puking. 

Three FeLV cats so far. All the cats look like crap, including these. Think there were 4, but one was in horrible shape and was euthanized. I am sure they photographed it though. I was still onsite catching cats and dogs. The fleas were amazing. I will have to flea bomb my car now. I know I have fleas crawling all over me now. Eek!

Oh then there were the dogs, many feral, lots of mange, lots of fleas. Some looked OK, can't figure why someone cares for some, and not the others. This is such a crazy situation. Guess crazy people are like that.

These poor guys lookso bad, thin, little hair because of fleas, etc, not sure anyone will recognize them. Pitiful." 

So far, FOUR FELV+ cats were recovered, one was so sick that they humanely euthanised him. Three are in decent shape and need to be rescued. There are still almost 30 cats that have not yet been vetted, so the numbers may rise. Now, we need to figure out how to get them from Tennessee to Tad in Vermont. I'm working on it. Pictures of all cats should be available soon, so we can attempt to find pervious owners. That is the first step, return as many cats as possible to their original owners if they will take them back. We still have NO HOME for the FIV+ cats. The FIV+ cats are in immediate danger of being euthanised if no foster homes come forward. Kara said she could cope with 2 or 3, but she's already overwhelmed with the numbers so far. 

Of the three cats removed, from what I recall her telling me over the phone:
One is white and has very nasty damaged curled up and crusty ears with open sores and scabs (possibly cancer, they are considering euthanasia)
One is black and white
One is a dilute gray tortoise shell calico

All three cats are missing hair and extremely thin and in poor shape, so matching them to photos is very difficult. I have advised them NOT to euthanise ANY of them unless they are in obvious pain and are suffering, and have advised blood transfusions for any severe anemia, though cost (and donors)is a factor. All have severe flea infestations, and I have also advised them NOT to use revolution on the sick and weak cats (which means almost every cat removed).

I will keep updating as more info comes through.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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RE: Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please

[Chris]

Have you tried using Pill Pocketsthey
are little mushy, gummy treats that are made like a pocket. You put pill in it
 then squish the treat around it. I think that the consistency 
smell prevent the cat from figuring out theres a pill in there. My guys
generally like those. You can search on web for Pill Pockets to
get the best price..





Chris

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T:











Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was
the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various
foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have
beennotfeeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in
it. Are all the dyes marked as Red Dye #xx or are some of
them disguised as other chemical names? 











How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves?
We currently have afour year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who isa
manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and
deaf). He was fine upuntil about a year ago and then started
digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought earmites
andhad him checked. Allparasites, fleas, earmites -
negative. Hisvet says food allergies and he has had a series of
depo medrol injections which did nothing. Vet has had him on several of
the different single source protein foods - no change. Currently he is on
Royal Canins special allergydry food and we are not seeing any
change. 











We have to feed him canned food as that is the only
way to get his phenobarbitol into him for his seizures and we tried several
different allergy canned foods. He will eat them a couple of days and
then just stop eating - ANYTHING so we have gone back to canned cr** food to
mix his meds in which I know is defeating the purpose. Any ideas on
canned food that might be better for him that he will eat would be appreciated.
He has to have the canned food for meds because while he only weighs 4#, being
blind makes him totally freak if you try to administer meds to him any other
way. And once he starts to panic, it brings on a seizure. (Little stinker
won't eat the Eagle Pack canned and our Petco's quit carrying the Solid Gold
which he would eat a few months ago...) 











Thanks again, T, for your input.





/mari







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Mari,











I feed Coebeio the hairball formula. She has
horrible allergies, but it seems to be easy on her stomach and she likes
it. Plus when Quintapus was alive, I bought it because it was low in
phosphorous and he had CRF. Coey also eats the chicken, mixed in from
time to time to keep her interest. 











A lot of cat foods have salmon or shell fish in them
and oddly enough, Coebeio is allergic not to the grains, but to red food dye
(which like the dyes in lipstick- comes from fish oil), salmon and shell fish.











I also feed high quality cat canned food, such as :
Solid Gold, Eagle pack, Merrick.











Hope this helps.





T 





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T:











Which Eagle Pack are you feeding? We have
several with allergies and are having trouble finding a food that truly makes a
difference. Someone gave me two different dry formula Eagle Pack foods
and both had grains in them. Do you feed canned also? 











/mari (Spirit Cat)













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Kerry,











Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness
than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack
(because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high
quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead
of buying the more expensive cat treats that are basically just
corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you12 months
or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and
that only lasts about a week. 











Just a thought.





T 












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RE: Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please

[Chris]

Tamara, you are right about the Pill
Pockets it does not work for all cats but if it does it is easy! The
strays I was feeding would not take them but a little ball of ham, liverwurst,
or anything sort of smellythey wolfed up!





Chris

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Mari,











For the record, Coebeio isn't Felv+, I don't know if
that makes a difference, but it might, so I thought you should know.











Ok, red dyes. That finding was just by trial and
error. It finally occured to me that when I feed her something with red
dye in it...she'd break out around the face and neck  start
vomittingnot right away...but within several hours...or a day. I
tested that ...and I'm now very certain that that as well as the salmon, shrimp
 crab are all contributing factors to her break-outs. NOT that she
doesn't have them anymore...because she does..but they are less frequent.











Now I only feed her chemical free, human grade, no
preservative, no antibotic added, free ranged-meat contained foods. It
seems to be helping somewhat.











As for canned food, Solid Gold seems the most
palitable and best quality, healthiest, for Coebeio. They have a website
where you can order directly: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/











As for the allergiesMy vet is still trying to help
me to figure it all out as well. Getting rid of the dyes in the food
helped. Getting rid of corn in the food helped. Not burning scented
candles, not using deoterizors in the carpet ...helpedtrying to limit
stress has helped. But yes, she still gets breakouts...from time to time,
and I just can't figure out why. What makes it worse is I haven't been
able to get her to the vet in ..oh, three years or so. While she is an
indoor cat, when she doesn't want to be caught...she can't be caught. You
can't even getclose enough to scruff her. I picked her up off the
street as an adult, and the only reason I was able to then...is because she
came willingly when I told her to get in the car.











One thing I will mention tho...not to upset you, but
just to keep an eye out for...if your cat is frequently going off food that he
would eat for a few daysIs he urinating more as well? Is he drinking
more? When is the last time you had blood work done? (My Quintapus
started that...progressively picky eatingturned out his kidneys
had started to fail.)











Oh, and with all due respect to Chris, yes try the
pill pockets (but they cost about $4-5 a pouch), but not one of my animals, or
my extended family's animals will touch them. I used to hide pills in
oyster meat, a little bit of tuna or white fish...scallops  sardines
(rinse the salt)make a nice disguise...or even spam-(but only use a
little bit spam has a LOT of salt).











Good luck.





T













Mari Kolbe
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T:











Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was
the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various
foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have
beennotfeeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in
it. Are all the dyes marked as Red Dye #xx or are some of
them disguised as other chemical names? 











How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We
currently have afour year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who isa
manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and
deaf). He was fine upuntil about a year ago and then started
digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought
earmites andhad him checked. Allparasites, fleas,
earmites - negative. Hisvet says food allergies and he has
had a series of depo medrol injections which did nothing. Vet has had him
on several of the different single source protein foods - no change.
Currently he is on Royal Canins special allergydry food and we are not
seeing any change. 











We have to feed him canned food as that is the only
way to get his phenobarbitol into him for his seizures and we tried several
different allergy canned foods. He will eat them a couple of days and
then just stop eating - ANYTHING so we have gone back to canned cr** food to
mix his meds in which I know is defeating the purpose. Any ideas on
canned food that might be better for him that he will eat would be
appreciated. He has to have the canned food for meds because while he
only weighs 4#, being blind makes him totally freak if you try to administer
meds to him any other way. And once he starts to panic, it brings on a seizure.
(Little stinker won't eat the Eagle Pack canned and our Petco's quit carrying
the Solid Gold which he would eat a few months ago...) 











Thanks again, T, for your input.





/mari

RE: [FivCats] I need placement help for Domino

[Chris]

I had somewhat of a similar situation when
I tried to find a home for Big Boy (FELV+)  also live in Westchester. Several rescue groups
gave me the name of a man who took all their FELV+ cats; they swore by him but
had never been to his home. When I called him, he would not tell me where
he was  said his arrangements with local rescue groups was to meet them in
a parking lot to pick up their cats! He may have been great but I just
could not go with that Joke is that with his phone # I found his
address in Yahoo in two seconds flat! As for the rescuer listed here, I
bet if somewhat called her vet they might hear a different story than she
presents! 





Chris

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placement help for Domino





what's with this 'wet food increases
tartar and placque' statement ? 





and where is that woman
her sanctuary in westchester? that place sounds to
me like anther angel's wings in the making situation. can we find out
where that house is and ask to have it investigated? even if just by
another rescue so that in case it is okay rather than reporting her first to
aspca who would remove animals because she's over the legal limit. 





barbara







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Sent: Monday,
June 20, 2005 7:09 PM





Subject: FW:
[FivCats] I need placement help for Domino









Please allow me to cross
post this in case you can help-











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Subject: [FivCats] I need
placement help for Domino





Some
of you may remember me from last month. I have MS and now 
Domino has had 2 Western blots (the 2d was just
done at Cornell), 
both with FIV+ results. Domino has
been a strictly indoor cat, has 
a dog companion (our Golden), my kids and us. She
only eats Nutro dry 
food, which is probably why her teeth and gums are
in such good 
shape. 

I have read with interest the various postings
here re: people with 
Lupus, HIV+ etc., who have FIV+ cats. The
bottom line is that for 
those of us who are immune-compromised, there are
no definitive 
answers about our risks with FIV+ cats. Joel
posted here a little 
while ago about the spread of bacteria between
people and cats; 
others have written about cat scratch disease
being transmitted to 
humans. Unless you are immune compromsed, no
one really can tell the 
those of us who are, whether it's worth the risk
to keep an FIV+ cat 
around or not, or whether there's a risk at
all. It's a complete 
gamble.

I previously posted that I am not willing to take
the gamble, not 
with my health. Too many doctors have been
wrong about my disease, 
its progression, the drugs I've taken for MS 
their side effects; I 
can't take the word of fellow kitty-lovers about
FIV+ if my own human 
docs, the two vets I've seen  the Cornell
Feline Health Clinic have 
question marks about this. So yes, I decided that
I needed to place 
Domino elsewhere for both our sakes.

I contacted the rescue group where we got
Domino. They connected me 
to a lady nearby, in Westchester County, NY where
I live. She has 17 
FIV+ cats. Eight are upstairs with a
dominant female, 9 are 
downstairs in runs or cages because they either
spray or are too 
timid to use their litter boxes (at least acc to
the lady). She 
feeds them all a little wet food to keep them
hydrated (what 
happened to water?), which we all know increases
tarter and plaque, 
as well as dry food. She has told me that
many of her cats have had 
theirteeth pulled, and that some are completely
toothless. She also 
told me that she has litter boxes all over the
house, that some cats 
sleep on her bed, on pillows or selsewhere, and
that she keeps 
mountans of amoxicillin around. She also has
two small gogs plus a 
German Shepherd. She became angry when I
asked if I could inspect 
the premises, telling me that I was being
insulting to her, and she 
said that the only thing I could see or do at her
house (which I 
can't, since her house isn't accessible) would be
to put Domino in 
what she described as a large dog-sized cage in the
kitchen to say 
goodbye. Then Domino would remain in the
cage for a full month while 
the other cats got used to her and vice versa. 

Apart from my discompfort with all the above, it
seems only logical 
to me that with so many FIV+ cats around, the chances
of spreading 
illness, viruses and bacteria increases
exponentially, thereby 
increasing the rish to all the cats. Needless to
say, I am not 
inclined to place Domino with this lady.

But I need to place Domino somewhere - not in a
foster home, not with 
a resue group or a shelter, but in a permanent
home where she will be 
safe and happy without zillions

RE: nutrition info

[Chris]

Title: RE: nutrition info









Being a young cat, he could still throw
off the virus I would have IFA done when you return on 6/30. As
for vets, you can contact rescue groups in your area who take in FELV cats
 see who they use.





Chris

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Subject: Re: nutrition info







I
have another question to ask - I apologize for asking so many questions but I
just can not think of all of them at one time! Since Ziggy tested pos for
FeLV at such a young age would it be safe to assume he was born
with it and is going to have it for the rest of his life? I knowtwo
of his littermates have tested pos also but not sure about the third one (he
was the only male and the others were all female).I have to say
that I am amazedby other members talking about their vets telling them to
euthanize a FeLV pos cat. I now feel blessed to have my vet as he
poo-poo'd the idea of euthanasia right from the start (I was the one who had to
bring it up when I got the test results - I was extremely nieve then and to
think it was only one week ago!). Although I am wondering if anyone has
any idea if there is a vet who could be more knowledgeable about FeLV in the
Phila suburban area - just as a precautionary measure. Also, Ziggy only
had the ELISA snap test done, should I have gotten the IFA test immediately
after? I have another appt on 6/30 for Zig and am wondering if I should
request it then or wait a few more weeks? 











I
am so happy to hear thatall the other littleangels are doing
better!As always you all are in my prayers and Ziggy sends out a
big Meow toeveryone who is helping his mommy deal with this.











Niki







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Sent: Wednesday, June 15,
2005 11:29 AM





Subject: RE:
nutrition info









Hi
all 
can anyone confirm that the ingreds in Vit Min
Mixyeast powder, kelp powder, lecithin granules, wheat bran, bonemeal--- are safe for a 9 week kitten--Niki's Ziggy in this case? I
don't have my reference to hand (and not sure it mentions age anyway).

Thanks! 
Kerry 













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RE: This is what the vet said...

[Chris]

That's why I think, too, it's much
more common than we know that we have cats that we think contracted the disease
from a 'new' cat when they had it all along.





Absolutely!





Chris

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said...





True. I really think anyone bringing new cats
who test negative should still retest 60-90 days later to be truly sure.
And then during that time the cat could not be exposed to any new cats or to
possible positives. That's why I think, too, it's much more common than
we know that we have cats that we think contracted the disease from a 'new' cat
when they had it all along.











tonya

Chris
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unfortunately, it works the other way, too--a
cat could test negative because it was just exposed and it's not
showing up on the snap yet

Unfortunately, I believe this is what happened to my Tucson 
only served to
show me that out of all those cats that people get as kittens, there are
probably a whole lot who really are pos--not to mention, how many people who
have indoor-outdoor cats have them checked every year! Kind of makes it
impossible to really adress 'life expectancy' questions for FELV+. Bottom
line, this disease has been around forever  we have all had cats who we
loved dearly without ever knowing if they were pos or not!

Chris
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i don't think you have to wait 30 days, but unless you have some
idea of when the cat was exposed, a positive test may mean
nothing--just as a negative may not, for that matter--80% of healthy
adults seem to throw off the virus, so knowing at what stage you're
testing is the only way to know if a test is likely to be reliable...
a cat could be positive on the snap, negative on the IFA--and in 3
months, test differently.. this just points up the need for
retesting, which is an unrealistic thing for most
rescues/shelters. unfortunately, it works the other way, too--a
cat could test negative because it was just exposed and it's not
showing up on the snap yet

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RE: This is what the vet said...

[Chris]

Your
instincts are rightthis vet doesnt sound like he knows what hes
talking about! Both my pos were tested with IFA almost immediately after
pos Elissa. If the IFA is neg, then retesting at various intervals is in
order in the archives there is a chart that talks about discordant
results  what they mean.There is also a list of vets posted
by members in felineleukemia.org sitemaybe theres someone near
you. Its tough to find a vet who is really knowledgeablenot unlike
how tough it is to find a great doctor!





Chris

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said...



I
just got back from the vet with Tom... You all know so much, tell me what
you think about what he said. Tom originally tested + on last Friday, but
I read an article that they should have a retest right away with a different
type of test (IFA, since Tom had a ELISA snap test). The vet said that
no, we cannot retest until 30 days, but then if it is negative, all that means
is that it may have moved to his marrow. I was hoping to hear that some
cats fight it off. I think I read that too. So all we really did
was rabies/distemper and a heartworm test. Does all this sound
right? There is another vet in the same office that is more specialized
with cats, but he was in surgery today.
Thanks for any tips!
Erika  Tom

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RE: This is what the vet said...

[Chris]

unfortunately, it works the other way, too--a
cat could test negative because it was just exposed and it's not
showing up on the snap yet

Unfortunately, I believe this is what happened to my Tucson  only served to
show me that out of all those cats that people get as kittens, there are
probably a whole lot who really are pos--not to mention, how many people who
have indoor-outdoor cats have them checked every year!  Kind of makes it
impossible to really adress 'life expectancy' questions for FELV+.  Bottom
line, this disease has been around forever  we have all had cats who we
loved dearly without ever knowing if they were pos or not!

Chris
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Subject: Re: This is what the vet said...

i don't think you have to wait 30 days, but unless you have some
idea of when the cat was exposed, a positive test may mean
nothing--just as a negative may not, for that matter--80% of healthy
adults seem to throw off the virus, so knowing at what stage you're
testing is the only way to know if a test is likely to be reliable...
a cat could be positive on the snap, negative on the IFA--and in 3
months, test differently.. this just points up the need for
retesting, which is an unrealistic thing for most
rescues/shelters. unfortunately, it works the other way, too--a
cat could test negative because it was just exposed and it's not
showing up on the snap yet

-- 
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RE: does anyone live near okeechobee florida that could check out a rescue for me?

[Chris]

There are a bunch of Rescue groups on
Yahoo  probably one for Florida/Southeast maybe your friend could
check there as well..





Chris

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Subject: OT: does anyone live near
okeechobee florida that could check out a rescue for me?





just curious if anyone on list is in
florida area? a friend of a friend has been sending $ to a rescue there
but never saw it. and after the Angels Wings fiasco, figured better check it
out. 





thanks for reading.





barbara

RE: New to felv have questions

[Chris]

As one of those people who have mixedhousehold,
I would tell you not to get too concerned. If Flower has not gotten this in
all this time, chances are she never will. If Petal is healthy but pos, then
again, dont worry so much as she is an adult cat. You can vaccinate
Flower every year and that would add some protection beyond her own immune
system. I understand its tough for adult cats to come down with disease. How
old is Flower? How long had she  Petal been together?





Chris

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This alst week has been the worst for me, I have three
cats, Flower Petal and Thorne. Last thursday we had to put Thorne
to sleep she was diagnosed with felv and lymphoma, she was barley a year
old. Yesterday we were told that Petal is positive and FLower is
negative. I have placed Flower in my father home for now. My
concern is for Petal, she is 5 years old and the vet said she is healthy but
positive. The vet told for now all we do is wait and retest in six weeks
but I feel I should be doing more. I sorry ot say I didnt know much about
Felv till now but I am so confused.so for this is the only palce I found
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RE: New member

[Chris]

Well,
after I stopped hyperventilating I did a whole lot of research and
ended up with all sorts of opinions. FELV is a very old disease, probably
not really noticed until fairly recently. My cat Tucson, who I got as a stray
kitten, was tested very young  was neg. Some five years later, after
being an indoor only cat, she tested pos- she would not even had been tested
were it not for my very sharp vet. Both vets felt she had it since birth. Tucson has lived here with 3
other cats (two of whom were first exposed to her as kittenns): 1 a year older,
1 a year younger,  1 two years younger. They all ate out of each
others dishes, used the same litter boxes, groomed each other, slobbered
over the same toys, etc.  had never been vaccinated for FELV, (they are
now). The other 3 have remained negative so I dont think its all
that hard to catch. I understand, it is particularly hard for adult cats
to catch. Big Boy, well I just brought him in last year. I know
some vets really dont encourage mixing and have a fairly dated idea of
how easily it is caught. I suspect there are a lot more cats out there
who do test pos but no one has checked. I figured if my cats all lived
together all those years  didnt catch anything, well it cant
be that easy to catch. I changed vets to one who was a little more
experienced with FELV. Hes given me some supplements and twice, hes
given Tucson a series of ImmunoRegulin shots when her white blood count went
very low. I havent started Interferon for either Big Boy or TucsonI sort of go back
and forth on that for a lot of reasons. It would be tough to give BB
shots  vet trips are a little rough for him. Tucson, well my biggest problem
is that shes too fat and thats caused her some problems so shes
on a diet (I say that laughingly- her favorite pastimes are eating 
sleeping!)



When I found out Tucson was pos, I knew I would
not euthanize her, knew I couldnt give her away, and knew that isolating
her would have been impossible. I figure everything in life is chancy so
I went with what made them all the happiest  have not regretted it one
minute. Many people on this lists have much longer experience with mixing
so they might be more helpful with their experiences..





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Chris,
That makes me feel better. Thank you. Did you have to do anything
other than the vaccinations for the negative kitties? The vet told me
that it can be passed if they eat from the same food dish. I assume yours
do, and no problems? You are right that the FIV requires a puncture bite,
so I am more concerned about the FeLV. Thanks!
Erika

My Big Boy was also a stray that I fed for about 2 years==Saw him every day,
he was never sick so I was floored when he tested Pos for FELV (when I
brought him in). I mix him my other FELV with 3 other cats as the 4
others all lived with me together before I found out one was pos. I
vaccinate the negs had no problems. I don't know much about FIV but I
understand it is even harder to transmit then FELV-requires deep bite
wounds. but again, I'm not an expert.



Chris 

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the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines
you.

RE: New Member

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He came to give you joy





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Erika:











I
am also relatively new to this site (only since last week) and I have to say
that I have learned that this group of individuals all should be blessed
as they are a wealth of information and support. I just adopted a FeLV +
kitten from a friend (she did not know he was) and totally devastated when I
found out his condition from the vet. I have to admit it was this group
that calmed me down and made me realize that Ziggy's diagnosis was not the end
of the world. As they have told me you just have to stay strong and enjoy
Tom (and the others) for as long as you can. I am of the belief that my
Ziggy came into my life for a reason and while I do not know why yet it will
come to me one day and I will forever be grateful it has.











Niki







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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 





Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005
2:47 PM





Subject: RE:
New Member











Hello Erika





Welcome from me too, and
thank you for caring for little Tom and and wanting to do the best for him.
Don't worry---you will find a ton of support and info from the wonderful folks
here just like I did/do. I agree withTonya---best to keep them all indoors
just now until they're re-tested. The first of my brood to be tested came up
negative--then a few weeks later tested positive, even though nothing had
changed -- ie she was still quarantined with her siblings. (The consensus is
that the virus was still too new in her body to be detected by the first test.)











I'll send you some info
on nutrition privately (I don't want to fall foul of any copyright laws) that I
found really useful when i was pointed to it. You'll get lots of other valuable
input from other folks here too.











Take care, and big hug to
Tom!











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Hi
Erika,











Welcome
the the list, although I'm sorry you had to find us. Right now it sounds
like you're doing about all you can. How old is Tom? What ages are
the others? If possible, I would keep them all inside for now.











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Hello,
I am new to this service, so I hope I am doing this right... We just found out
that our 3rd and newest kitty is FeLV and FIV positive. I am really
overwhelmed, and not sure what to do next. You all seem so wise with this
subject, and seeing your responses makes things seem more hopeful. Any
help would be great. The other 2 were tested and came up negative. They will be
rechecked in a few weeks. Tom (the FeLV cat) is being kept separated and
indoors. I would really love any ideas!
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RE: New member

[Chris]

Just
keep in mind my Tucson was an indoor cat since kittenhood;never exposed
to pos cattested neg at about 6 weeks old  turned up pos 5 years
later. Tests of young kittens can be inaccurate.





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I
have to thank you all for the advice. I never expected to get so much
response. I want you all to know that you and your kitties are in my
prayers. I would like to know how to join the FIV yahoo group. I
haven't even begun to research that one! So far we are all doing well
here! Tom officially moved in to our extra bedroom today, and is getting
used to it. Bernie and Tink seem ok with it too. They have their
shots, but for now we are keeping them apart until we get more confimation on
what is going on (Bernie and Tink need to be retested). They are inside
cats, so Tom is really the only way they could have this. Again, thank
you all so very much! Feel free to pass along anything else I should
know- I am keeping a binder of all this info!!

 *** *** *** ***
*** *** *** *** ***

Erika - have you joined the FIV yahoo group too - not quite as active as this
one but still good to have. 

Have your Tinkerbell and Bernie had their shots? I've heard and read 
that too, about FeLV being spread by mutual grooming, sharing food 
dishes and litter boxes. I guess somewhere, somehow that was 
documented, but a lot of the folks on this list mix, myself included, 
and none of my negatives have turned up positive, (quick say a 
prayer!). There's no denying that keeping them separated is safer, but 
mine where mixed before I learned of my positives' status, (I don't 
think I'd have separated them anyway). If your house kitties haven't 
had their shots, I would definitely segregate them from Tom until they 
do, and for two weeks after. Do Tinkerbell and Bernie go outside? If 
they do, Tom is probably at greater health risk from them, then the 
other way around, (they could bring in illness from the outside world 
and infect Tom). If Tom is asymptomatic, (not showing any signs of 
illness), after having survived on the street for at least two years, 
then that's wonderful, and bodes well for him. What are the living 
arrangements now? Was Tom neutered before you brought him in? If he's 
intact, he'll be more likely to squabble with your other two. I also 
ask because the stress of surgery can be dangerous for our +s as well. 
Do Tinkerbell and Bernie get along with him? Is he already inside with 
the other cats? Take the transition slow, stress is a high risk factor 
for triggering problems with FeLV too.

Welcome to the list and thank you for rescuing Tom, he's a lucky boy to 
have found you.
Nina 

RE: Vitamin C questions

[Chris]

I get mine from vet, brand is RxVitamins for Pets

Chris
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not to butt in here but you can get Vitamin C in powder form? did I read
that correctly?  And its daily right?
Thank you, kristi
 
 From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions
 
 Hey there Del!  Good point - absolutely,  it can cause diarrhea in  
 animals and in people.  If so, you back off of the quantity a little,  
 and keep doing that till no diarrhea.
 
 I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light  
 Powder.  The bottle of Belfields Vit C  has directions - but  they're  
 downstairs, and I can't remember what it says.  But in general, I've  
 always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to  
 do daily).  Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up.
 
 Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative  
 after several months of the Vit C therapy.  Well my # of cats  
 increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to  
 adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up.
 
 Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper  
 respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice  
 daily.  I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in  
 2001, I think.
 
 Gloria
 
 
 On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote:
 
  I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a  
  starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual  
  can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI?
 
  Del
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  Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM
  Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace
 
  Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the magazine
  link.  He has links for products and that's where they are.
 
  Gloria
 
 
  On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote:
 
   Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really
   unpleasant tasting?  I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it
   tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in.  I do
   have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does.  Can
   I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the
   Drs' names?
   Nina
  
   Gloria B. Lane wrote:
  
  
   I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of
   C with other nutrients.  And ordered his B complex liquid-
   initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done
   that.  I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it.
  
   Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it
   with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis
   (sp).  Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine.
   Something helped, he got better.
  
   Gloria
  
  
   At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote:
  
  
   What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with?
   N
  
   Gloria B. Lane wrote:
  
  
   Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some
   laterly from Dr. Belfield.  It gets hard to give lots of
   supplements, sometimes.
  
   Gloria
  
   At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote:
  
  
   Hi Gloria,
   Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis.  I used to give it every
   day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10.  Now I just add supplements
   periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom.  Everyone's
   been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress
   formula.  I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that
   when they have symptoms too.  I do have some VO in the box, I
   may start her on that.
   Nina
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 

RE: Information

[Chris]

You know, I have had 3 of my cats since
they were young kittens  NONE liked the Iams Kitten Food. They
all like the regular Iams, dry  wet---try to get Ziggy on wet food.
Also, my vet game me 3 supplements whose brand was RX Vitamins for Pets---a
liquid B complex multi-vitamin, Immune Support, and Vitamin C. The cats
dont have a problem with it in their food though the Vitamin C does not
particularly taste good. All mine also like a little people
food from time to timeanything from yogurt to cottage cheese to some
veggies to scrambled eggs  on  on. I sort of let them taste a
little of things that are not spicy or too rich. Once in a while I give
them some of the cheaper canned tuna as a treatthey love the tun
water as well as the tuna. I have two pos in my five  have
not put them on interferon but many people here have. I basically
concentrate on a well balanced diet, Be sure to test ziggy again, perhaps
more than once as kittens can throw off the virus. Also, if no one has
mentioned it, make sure that vet does both the in-house Elissa test but also
does the IFA (blood sent to lab). I saw in another post that hes
playing with your dognot to worrykittens love to roughouse 
it sounds like hes found the perfect playmate!





Chris

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Hi
Tonya:











Thanks
you so much for the information. Any suggestions on food that I should be
giving him? Right now I am giving him Iams Kitten Formula and catmilk (I
think by Wiskas) every once in a while as a treat. Should I start vitamin
C and the interferon now? If so what would the dosage be? I have
been reading some stuff about something called Transfer Factor and am a bit
confused by what I have read about it. DO you have anything yu could tell
me - is it even worth it? I have to let you know that you have quelled my
nerves somewhat as I went bonkers when I first heard of the + test and began to
think the worst. Now it is nice to know Ziggy can have a productive life
for whatever time I am going to be blessed by him.











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Subject: RE:
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Hi
Niki!











I'm
glad you found the list. You'll get lots of support and advice! First
of all congratulations on your new baby! The good news is that if Ziggy
is only 8 weeks old he could still fight off the virus (which it sounds like
you've already learned). I'm not sure what the total time you would need
to be sure with a kitten this young. But I think by June 30 he could
still be positive even if he were eventually going to be negative. In the
meantime I would get directions from the archives on feeding Ziggy good,
nutritional food. I would probably add some vitamin c and get interferon
from my vet. My vet used to give interferon to negative shelter cats to
keep them from catching URI's at the shelter. It's supposed to boost
their immune system, so I would give it a try. You'll get lots of other
advice. The most important thing, in my opinion, is not to over
worry. Even if Ziggy remains positive, it is possible he could only be
carrying the disease and never get sick from it. Also, add one thing at a
time. Try not to overwhelm yourself and Ziggy witha
zillionnew foods and additives, etc. all at once. Good luck
with Ziggy! I like the name!











tonya

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Hello.
I have just adopted a 8 week old kitten named Ziggy. Ziggy had his first
vet visit on 6-9-05 and since I knew nothing about his mom or dad I decided to
have a FeLV test done which resulted in a positive. I was devastated and
am now trying to figure out the best course for Ziggy. He is acting like
a normal kitten would, getting into all sorts of trouble and shows no signs of
the diease. I am trying to stave off anfull blown attack and would
like to have information regarding what I should be doing right from the
start. I am going to have retested in a follow up visit on 6-30 and am
also curious to know if he could come up neg by then? I know relatively
little about this disease and am becoming increasingly confused by all of
the information on the web. Any help would be greatly appreciated.











Thanks
you 











Niki
Rushton

RE: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY

[Chris]

He could try Angels Gate which is
near him. Also, North Shore does have a retirement plan for animals but it does
cost some. How does he know they are 17 if he took them off the street a
few years ago?





Chris

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anyone
know of a retirement home for 2?



 









I live
in Astoria, Queens NY. I took the cats off the streets a few years ago;
abandoned in a cardboard box. I have severe health concerns and my energy is
nil. 











Thanks












Richard













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Hi,











My name is Richard Mondello and I have two adult cats that I can't
find a home for. They are 17 but in very good health. I will be moving
infour weeks and my new home will not allow pets. Can you direct me
to a place where the cats would not be put down? I am prepared to make a
donation for help. As stated, the cats are in good health, declawed and very
friendly. I've contacted some organizations but have been told that adult cats
are difficult to place.











Thanks for your time,





Richard



















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it is the immeasurable gift of life!~ Never underestimate the importance of
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Cats at Corpus Christi

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Just for info I got
this from Neighborhood
 Cats.
There must be some poor nun who must be devestated! Lets hope they get the
remaining 3 cats soon



A volunteer who lived
in the area is the one who TNR'ed the cats and supplied food to a cat-friendly
nun. The other nuns were always a bit hostile, but nothing like this.





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RE: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA

[Chris]

I thought he was in Astoria, Queens near LaGuardia Airport.





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I haven't sent any of the other ideas but I emailed
with an offer to take them - into FuRR (Feline Rescue and Rehome), my rescue
group - with me as the permanent foster. I usually take any really
elderly kitties we get in. Didn't notice where he is located but could
possibly arrange to fly to get.

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  Has anyone contacted this man
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  Someone really
  should forward ALL info to him.
  
  
  Patti
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 

RE: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

[Chris]

From the little I looked around, I think its
not at all uncommon for shelters to be closed. I was
referred to a gentleman who takes in FELV catswas given only his phone
#. When I called him, he told me he had many cats, (would
not say how many) in his house but would not tell me where. He apparently
is used by a number of rescue groups in this area for FELV cats but meets them
in PETCO parking lot to get the cats. He had some legitimate reasons for not
wanting visitors, (afraid people would just dump cats) but I was amazed that
none of the people who recommended him had ever seen his place. He may
have been great but who would ever know!





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[Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)



Hi Belinda..
 Yes ..I did read the story and personally I can't see why anyone would
send their pet to a place they couldn't visit before and after it went
there...Perhaps the cats that come here are ones like mine...Last chance
cats...Nobody wanted them and there lives were saved from the gas chamber...

 I guess a point that I wanted to make was that the quality of the
photographs wasn't any better than the property...And it didn't show the whole
story..namely where were all the cats.

Hopefully we are all confusing this place with Angel Gate (as far as place
where we have taken our cats) and no one has taken them to Angel Wings...I just
wanted everyone to realize that they are not the same place..are a world of
difference...

I hope it turns out that no body has taken there cat there and is paying a lot
of good money for its stay their...

Tad


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 Tad, 
 Did you read the story, no one is allowed to visit? 

RE: Update on Bronx Nuns

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Title: Message









I also sent e-mails but it sure looks like
theyre just going to wait everyone out  let the cats starve to
death or hope they just magically disappear! Do you have any clue as to why
the change in allowing people to feed this colony 





Chris

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on Bronx Nuns





UPDATE JUNE 7TH 2005

Pets Alive Offers Sanctuary to Corpus Christi Monastery Cats

(June 7, 2005 / 7 pm EST) In an exemplary show of
compassion, Sara Whalen, head of Pets Alive
_javascript_:ol('http://www.petsalive.com');
, has offered to provide a new home for the seven feral cats now facing
starvation and possible impoundment and death at the hands of the nuns of the
Corpus Christi Monastery in the Bronx, New York. The grounds of the monastery
have been home to the neutered and rabies-vaccinated cats for the past eight
years. Sister Helen, Vicar of the Religious Office for the Archdiocese of NY,
has stated that the nuns of the monastery are considering whether to allow
volunteers to trap and remove the cats so they can be transferred to Pets
Alive.

We hope compassion will prevail and all parties will agree to this solution. 


The cats have now not been fed for six
days and counting.

RE: Update on Bronx Nuns

[Chris]

Title: Message









I did  also neighborhood cats.





Chris

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No. Email the
convent.





-Original
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Subject: RE: Update on Bronx Nuns

I also sent e-mails but
it sure looks like they're just going to wait everyone out  let the cats
starve to death or hope they just magically disappear! Do you have any
clue as to why the change in allowing people to feed this colony 





Chris

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Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Update
on Bronx Nuns





UPDATE JUNE 7TH 2005

Pets Alive Offers Sanctuary to Corpus Christi Monastery Cats

(June 7, 2005 / 7 pm EST) In an exemplary show of
compassion, Sara Whalen, head of Pets Alive
_javascript_:ol('http://www.petsalive.com');
, has offered to provide a new home for the seven feral cats now facing
starvation and possible impoundment and death at the hands of the nuns of the
Corpus Christi Monastery in the Bronx, New York. The grounds of the monastery
have been home to the neutered and rabies-vaccinated cats for the past eight
years. Sister Helen, Vicar of the Religious Office for the Archdiocese of NY,
has stated that the nuns of the monastery are considering whether to allow
volunteers to trap and remove the cats so they can be transferred to Pets
Alive.

We hope compassion will prevail and all parties will agree to this solution. 


The cats have now not been fed for six
days and counting.

RE: Update on Bronx Nuns

[Chris]

Title: Message









Westchester.





Chris

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Chris,











Are you in the NYC area?





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I did  also neighborhood
cats





Chris

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No.
Email the convent.





-Original
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I also
sent e-mails but it sure looks like they're just going to wait everyone out
 let the cats starve to death or hope they just magically disappear!
Do you have any clue as to why the change in allowing people to feed this
colony 





Chris

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From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Doljan, Joan
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005
8:55 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Update
on Bronx Nuns





UPDATE JUNE 7TH 2005

Pets Alive Offers Sanctuary to Corpus Christi Monastery Cats

(June 7, 2005 / 7 pm EST) In an exemplary show of
compassion, Sara Whalen, head of Pets Alive
_javascript_:ol('http://www.petsalive.com');
, has offered to provide a new home for the seven feral cats now facing
starvation and possible impoundment and death at the hands of the nuns of the
Corpus Christi Monastery in the Bronx, New York. The grounds of the monastery
have been home to the neutered and rabies-vaccinated cats for the past eight
years. Sister Helen, Vicar of the Religious Office for the Archdiocese of NY,
has stated that the nuns of the monastery are considering whether to allow
volunteers to trap and remove the cats so they can be transferred to Pets
Alive.

We hope compassion will prevail and all parties will agree to this solution. 


The cats have now not been fed for six
days and counting.

RE: Websites to contact local affiliates - Bronx Nuns

[Chris]

Title: Message









Done





Chris

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-Original Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Doljan, Joan
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005
10:01 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: FW:Websites to contact
local affiliates - Bronx Nuns





These are the websites of
the NYC local affiliates. If you live in the area, you can email them
(through these sites) and contact their assignment desks.











Joan




On 6/8/05 9:52 AM, Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

www.cbs2ny.com
http://www.cbs2ny.com 

www.abclocal.go.com http://www.abclocal.go.com


www.wnbc.com http://www.wnbc.com

RE: Websites to contact local affiliates - Bronx Nuns

[Chris]

Title: Message









Just called the Monastery  was sent
to the vicars office 212-372-1000 ext. 2576. The person handling this
told me that Sister Helen I talking to neighborhood cats org.. would
not tell me why they decided to change their policy I pointed out that
while Sister H. talked, these cats who have been fed for 8 years are slowing
starving to death or dying of thirst. Suggested that because of publicity, the
archdiose may find itself with news crew at the front door filming carcasses!
I dont really think I made a dent but perhaps if anyone in this can also
call, it cant hurt.





Chris

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-Original Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Doljan, Joan
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005
10:01 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: FW:Websites to contact
local affiliates - Bronx Nuns





These are the websites of
the NYC local affiliates. If you live in the area, you can email them
(through these sites) and contact their assignment desks.











Joan




On 6/8/05 9:52 AM, Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

www.cbs2ny.com
http://www.cbs2ny.com 

www.abclocal.go.com http://www.abclocal.go.com


www.wnbc.com http://www.wnbc.com

RE: Websites to contact local affiliates - Bronx Nuns

[Chris]

Sorrymy typing always does me in!





Chris

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From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Joan Doljan
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005
10:44 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Websites to contact
local affiliates - Bronx Nuns





212-371-1000

Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Just called the Monastery
 was sent to the vicars office 212-372-1000 ext. 2576.
The person handling this told me that Sister Helen I talking to
neighborhood cats org.. would not tell me why they decided to change their
policy I pointed out that while Sister H. talked, these cats who have
been fed for 8 years are slowing starving to death or dying of thirst.
Suggested that because of publicity, the archdiose may find itself with news
crew at the front door filming carcasses! I dont really think I
made a dent but perhaps if anyone in this can also call, it cant
hurt.





Chris

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-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Doljan, Joan
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005
10:01 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: FW:Websites to contact
local affiliates - Bronx Nuns





These
are the websites of the NYC local affiliates. If you live in the area,
you can email them (through these sites) and contact their assignment desks.











Joan




On 6/8/05 9:52 AM, Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

www.cbs2ny.com
http://www.cbs2ny.com 

www.abclocal.go.com http://www.abclocal.go.com


www.wnbc.com http://www.wnbc.com

FW: Cats at Corpus Christi Monastery

[Chris]

Just got this reply from an e-mail I sent yesterday--I hope that after 8
days (including some 90 degree days), the little guys are all OK!

Chris
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-Original Message-
From: Neighborhood Cats [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:02 AM
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Cats at Corpus Christi Monastery

Yes.  This morning the nuns and Archdiocese agreed to allow volunteers to
trap
and remove the cats to Pets Alive, a nearby sanctuary.

Bryan Kortis
Neighborhood Cats

Quoting Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 There is a post going around on the internet about the 7 cats at this
 monastery---that after 8 years of being managed, the mother superior has
 ordered that they be removed and prevented anyone from feeding them for
the
 last 5 days-is this true



 Chris

  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: FW: Cats at Corpus Christi Monastery

[Chris]

Of course, its wrong but better than dying
of thirst or starving to death. As for who took care of them, it
sounded to me (  I may be wrong), that neighborhood cats maintains a
number of feral cat colonies all over the city  that this was one of
them. Why the sudden change, well, I doubt anyone will ever own up to
making this decision but whoever it was, I hope that their peaceful, holy
existence is rocked to the core!!





Chris

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-Original Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cherie A Gabbert
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005
2:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: FW: Cats at Corpus
Christi Monastery





It still is wrong to move them, what harm could they
possibly be doing, except preventing mice and vermin to infest.

Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Just
got this reply from an e-mail I sent yesterday--I hope that after 8
days (including some 90 degree days), the little guys are all OK!

Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Neighborhood Cats [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:02 AM
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Cats at Corpus Christi Monastery

Yes. This morning the nuns and Archdiocese agreed to allow volunteers to
trap
and remove the cats to Pets Alive, a nearby sanctuary.

Bryan Kortis
Neighborhood Cats

Quoting Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

 There is a post going around on the internet about the 7 cats at this
 monastery---that after 8 years of being managed, the mother superior has
 ordered that they be removed and prevented anyone from feeding them for
the
 last 5 days-is this true????



 Chris

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


















Have
a purrfect day





Cherie

RE: Bramble

[Chris]

Fingers  toes
crossed!





Chris

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-Original Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005
2:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Bramble





Thankyou
for you support 











Well I
stood in the vets sobbing my heart out - she considered the flea treatment and
said she thinks it is highly unlikely but she couldn't rule it out. She had
only ever seen seizures once from stronghold in a dog whose owner administered
it orally accidently - how silly can people be. And she said that she would
expect continuous seizure if it was the flea treatment. I said I wasn't
convinced and that more and more people are experiencing adverse reactions but
are not reporting them or the companies are not making them known.











I stood
there and whilst I had the doubt in my mind that the flea treatment had
exacerbated these symptoms as opposed to it being purely FIV related I was fighting
for him. The vet said if he was her cat she would euthanase as he had suffered
enough but she also said I have tried so hard along with Bramble and could see
I wanted him to pull through. She was surprised that he had had 48hrs been
seizures and we agreed that if he has another seizure within 24 hrs then I will
have him euthanased - but I will watch him for another 24hrs to see what
happens. 











So
fingers crossed - he is depressed at the moment but it is only a few hours
since his last seizure.











Michelle
L

FW: Cats at Corpus Christi Monastery

[Chris]

Well--these little guys are still not out of the woods---lets hope they
managed to get some food / water during these last days.

Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Neighborhood Cats [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:12 PM
To: Chris
Subject: RE: Cats at Corpus Christi Monastery

We'll know more about the cats and if they're still there tomorrow when we
trap.
 Don't know why all of a sudden the nuns turned on the cats.  I suspect
they've
been annoyed with them all along.

Bryan


Quoting Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 How wonderful---Like me, I know lots of people called, sent e-mails, etc.
 I hate to be a pest but 1) has anyone seen the cats? Are they all OK?  2)
 why did the archdiose suddenly stop your volunteers from doing what
they've
 been doing for 8 years?

 Chris
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
 From: Neighborhood Cats [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:02 AM
 To: Chris
 Subject: Re: Cats at Corpus Christi Monastery

 Yes.  This morning the nuns and Archdiocese agreed to allow volunteers to
 trap
 and remove the cats to Pets Alive, a nearby sanctuary.

 Bryan Kortis
 Neighborhood Cats

 Quoting Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  There is a post going around on the internet about the 7 cats at this
  monastery---that after 8 years of being managed, the mother superior has
  ordered that they be removed and prevented anyone from feeding them for
 the
  last 5 days-is this true
 
 
 
  Chris
 
   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
 

RE: [Fwd: [FelineIBD] OT: Please help! Need good vet in MN!]

[Chris]

What about vets in Wisconsin?

Chris
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Fwd: [FelineIBD] OT: Please help! Need good vet in MN!]

Hi gang,
I'm cross posting this from my IBD list.  I checked our FeLV friendly 
vets on our website and didn't come up with any for MN or SD.  Do you 
know anyone that could help this lady?
Nina

RE: [Fwd: [FelineIBD] OTDesperately need home for gorgeous special needs 5 mos. black kitten RI/MA]

[Chris]

I tried to send this but it was sent back because I was not a member... Just
thought it might be an idea if she has someone who can temporarily foster
this kitty

Read this on a cross-post to FELV group.  Just an idea for you.  I had a
very similar thing happen to me with my local shelter.  The kitten I found
reacted in much the same way  they asked if perhaps I could put him back
where I found him since I was feeding another stray there as they thought he
was too 'feral'!  What I worked out with them was that I would foster him
for a couple of weeks.  Well, I have one cat already who was not too
thrilled but I found that somehow they all took to the pain in the neck
kitten who followed them around continuously!  Occasionally, there were some
swats but no more than his own mother would have given him to teach him how
to behave. Anyway, after a couple of weeks he was really pretty well
socialized-was still afraid if you came upon him suddenly but then, I'd be
afraid if something as big as a person suddenly loomed over me.  I made a
deal with the shelter that I would bring him there every AM  pick him up in
the PM so that he could be shown for adoption-It took 3 days  someone came
in and fell in love with him  took him home...So much for the 'feral'
kitten label they had hung on him!!!

 


Chris
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:05 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Fwd: [FelineIBD] OTDesperately need home for gorgeous special
needs 5 mos. black kitten RI/MA]

This was posted to my IBD list this morning.  Breaks my heart, anyone 
out there who could take this baby in, or might be able to help this 
newbie rescue lady?
Nina

RE: Hello from Kat in Texas!

[Chris]

Well welcomeIll be
interested in reading your posts Sounds like you got found
like the rest of us! Do you have any advice about having 2 cats get
along??? Of course, I have a reason for asking but bottom line is that
they are the cats Im inquiring about are the 2 most affectionate of my
brood of 5 but when I brought the adult male in (after 2 years of feeding
outside), my then 4+ year old female was fine with him for a couple of weeks
(after slow intros) but then suddenly turned on him. She attacks him when
she spots him  being the big wimp he is, he runs away (though he did bite
her when she managed to pin him down). I do believe there are folks who
somehow communicate but Im certainly not one of them---I
just have no clue as to why she turned on him.





Chris

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-Original Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kathleen A. Berard
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:24
PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Hello from Kat in Texas!



Hello, everyone! Im very
excited to join you this week! J Thank you, Nina,
for inviting me. 



I live in San Antonio, Texas and am
proudly owned by two Weimaraners (Max, 8yo gray, and Barney, 3yo blue), Peaches
(the perpetual foster dog, a mixed breed of some sort of Pointer), and Miss
Cali, the forever feral cat who loves her life of luxury indoors. I was thrown
into the holistic care world 7 years ago because of Max. Weims are one of the
breeds more prone to vaccine reactions. Max had numerous health problems
including seizures, and was diagnosed as having rabies miasm. After 18 months
of homeopathic treatment (using LM potencies because he couldnt handle
the C potencies), and being switched to a raw diet, he has recovered rather
well, although he suffers from hypothyroidism that homeopathy isnt
addressing. Max has been a master teacher for me, opening my eyes to raw diets,
alternative care and the dangers of vaccination.



Barney came to me off the streets as
a rescue because I volunteered with Texas Weim Rescue at the time. Barney was
so ill and emaciated, he almost died. He required a blood transfusion due to a
heavy hookworm (and tapeworm) infestation, and then he came down with severe
pneumonia. 12 days of IV fluids and everything we could think of were given to
him (from homeopathy to supplements to conventional meds). He had 7 vets
working on him, one from as far away as Spain (homeopathic vet). This boy had a
will to live but nothing to work with, and it was touch and go for about a
month. He had a very rough beginning in so many ways (you can see his story on
my website, http://www.katberard.com/rescue_barney.htm).
After many long months of natural care, including a raw diet, Barney is doing
excellent. 



Because I was fostering but had not
yet decided to adopt Barney, I was required by Texas Weim Rescue to vaccinate
him. Like Max, he had reactions to vaccines. So I now have exemption letters on
both boys that they are not to be vaccinated again. Barney has been training
with me for the past 15 months to be my Search And Rescue (SAR) canine partner,
and he loves it! Youll find that story on my site as well. Hes
helping me fulfill a 10-year goal of doing SAR work. Barney has been a master
teacher for me, showing me that while natural care is important, so is
addressing the mind, emotions, and spirit of the animal. I utilized many
different tools as well as alternative care practitioners to help him release
terror at the mental, emotional, physical and spiritual levels. 



Peaches is a dog who was ultimately dumped
on me by a rescue group (long story). I wasnt looking for a third dog.
That being so, I firmly believe the animals you need (i.e., your
teachers), and who need you, cross your paths when the time is
right. And that has been the case with Peaches. She came to me with a serious
incontinence problem caused by a broken tail that damaged nerves in the lumbar
region which enervate the bladder. Weve tried many different things (B
vitamins, cornsilk, cranberry, you name it, and finally resorting to low doses
of DES out of desperation), to no avail (was hoping for some sort of nerve
stimulation/improvement). Now were doing LM potencies of a homeopathic
remedy and there has been some improvement  its no longer a
nightly event. She is lively, sweet, and has been teaching me about many things
including love.



Miss Cali the cat was rescued by Max
and I about 6 years ago. She is almost as feral now as she was then. She runs
her life as she fits, and interacts with us only when she wants to.
Theres no picking her up and petting her, shell rarely tolerate
it. But shes funny, very smart, and has taught me what being the Essence
of Cat means. She definitely moves to the beat of her own drum. I have not tried to switch
Miss Cali to a raw diet because shes so very finicky; but the thought
has been in my mind for a while.



So thats my 4-legged family.
Ive had a love affair with animals since the day

RE: [Fwd: [FelineIBD] OTDesperately need home for gorgeous special needs 5 mos. black kitten RI/MA]

[Chris]

Oh well---I think kitty's already home!

Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 5:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [FelineIBD] OTDesperately need home for gorgeous special
needs 5 mos. black kitten RI/MA]

Thanks Chris, I'll forward this on.  You're going to love this.  I 
suggested to her that this kitty might just be meant for her and asked 
if she considered keeping her.  Here's her reply:

  Thanks for your message - I do not think you are being mean or 
pressuring me - believe me the same thing keeps going through my head 
over and over. I did not mention in my post - but will tell you since 
you have brought it up that the day (and even approximate time) she is 
being released to me this week marks the exact 1 year anniversary of 
when I had to put my very most dear true soul mate kitty of 18 years to 
sleep (liver cancer) after a long 2 year battle with illnesses - he was 
also found in the woods as a kitten that everyone told me was not worth 
keeping. And - oh - I should also mention that a week after he went to 
the bridge I had a weird dream about a black kitten.. So - I'm 
sure you are asking how many signs does one person need that a kitten 
has picked them! 


HA!

RE: Tad's Sammy

[Chris]

What a great story...Sammy was a truly lucky cat!  How wonderful of you to
take in this senior who had obviously been loved before  Sounds like he
had two special caretakers

Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tad Burnett
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Tad's Sammy

Thank you all for the kind words about Sammy...
Sammy did have a full life and an interesting story...
He originally came to me as SD named after the
Suffuc Downs horse race track near Boston MA.
where he came from...When feeding the ferals there
there was one cat that came up to be patted and
picked up...They decided to rescue him and when
they brought a carrier for him he walked in himself...
 
They brought him to the vet for a check up..FeLV+...
But he was such a good boy they decided to try
one time on the internet...I had spent some time
in that area years ago so I wrote back and said I
would take him...
 
His teeth were all rotten and he had to be neutered
before I could bring him home but from the very
1st moment that I saw him he was my cat..He joined
the others in my FeLV room with no problem at all
and he always slept by my head at night...
 
He liked to sit in the window and watch outside...
He would have liked to go outside againBut
one day soon after I got  him it was snowing
and he jumped in the window and took one look
and jumped back down...He knew what snow was
and didn't want to be outside that day
 
A while later I got a call from the rescue person that
I had gotten him from and they found a worker at the
track that had asked about him...It seems there was
an old woman that had lived in one of the horse barns
and his name was Sammy and he had lived with the old
woman but she had cancer and had passed away...
The man was happy that Sammy had a good home
because he knew him from before.
 
Sammy was old and I feed him special food which he
ate well but never put on much weight and he had
arthritis but he never showed any sign of anything
unusual until Saturday night when he didn't finish his food
the way he usually did and was shacking his head...
I thought it might be one of his remaining teeth...
Then on Sunday he just looked at his food but wouldn't
eat...An hour later I found him with blood coming out
of his mouthThe vet said to watch him and put me on
for early appointment for Monday morning.Monday
morning he couldn't close his mouth with a huge swelling
under his tongue...
 
The vet said it was most likely a cancer tumor with a
burst blood vessel and the whole lower jaw was involved...
He would have had to remove the lower jaw to get rid
of it and because of his age he probably wouldn't have
made itHe was in pain and the only humain thing to
do was to help him on to the Rainbow Bridge
 
It all happened so quickly that I was just studded by it all
and I miss my old friend but perhaps I will get to see him
again
 
If you would add his name to the CLS list that would be nice..
 
Tad
 

RE: average lifespan

[Chris]

Ive got a 6 + year old who tested
pos last year though vet thinks she had it all along and a 4+ that I took in as
a stray last year who also turned out to be pos. 





Chris

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barbara Baass
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005
12:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: average lifespan





Yes, this is
very depressing. Tom was about a year and a half the vet said and I guess now
he is 2 years old. I know now from what the group said what to expect of
his life span. Maybe another year or two.





Is Salome just
a carrier or is it in the bone marrow? To be 9 years old, shemust be a
carrier??





Barbara Baass

Hideyo Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





This is just so
depressing to think about, isnt it?

I look at Ginger, who is
just a year old and every day, I fear of the day  but fortunately she is
doing very good and try not to think about it too much, instead, I try to
concentrate on loving her more - I am going to continue to fight with
Ginger no matter what..











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barbara Baass
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:04
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: average lifespan







Doesn't seem to be a long life span. Looks like maybe 3 to 5 or
6 years. I believe that Tom was born with this because it is in the bone
marrow. He probably got it from his mother. It is a shame that we have to go
through pain and suffering before we die. At least most of the time we do.





Barbra Baass

Terri Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









Samantha was 3 (1999)





Arielle was 4-1/2 (2001)





Gareth was 6-1/2 (2003)





Alec was 5-1/2 (2003)











Salome' is still with me. She's 9.











RuthieGirl was 6 months (1996 -- not a FeLV related
death; she was Salome's littermate).





Siggie, Sammi, and Guinevere are FeLV negative.











=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire,
Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and
Alec =^..^=











Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/
My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/
My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350







- Original Message - 





From: Gloria
B. Lane 





To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 





Sent: Monday, May
30, 2005 11:44 PM





Subject: Re: average
lifespan









Yo Jenn
-

My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004)

My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003)

My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18. I 
don't believe it. Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs 
maybe? (2002)

Gloria


Well, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it 
varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong 
her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived 
to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the average life
span 
of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan 
expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that 
tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the 
study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the November 1991 issue of 
the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within two years but about 
20% of the cats lived three or more years. Of course, if everyone 
here tells you how old their FELV+ furangels were when they passed 
on, then you'll get a good sampling, and be able to draw your own 
conclusions, but you'll have to know how long they had the virus, 
not just how long they lived, because some of them may have caught 
it later in life, and that would skew the numbers.

This could potentially be a very interesting thread, I wonder if we 
qualify as a study group?

Jenn
http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html













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RE: RE: average lifespan

[Chris]

Well, Tucson hovers between 16-17 lbs
and I recently had to put her on a diet as her weight affected her breathing
When she slows down on eating or is in a grumpy mood, I know something is upthats
how I found out she was FELV+. Ive had her since she was a kitten,
(had fallen into a wall in my parents apt)  shes never been
exposed to FELV as she was indoors only so vets I saw were sure shes had
it since birth. Only problems Ive had were two episodes of very
low white blood count which vet treated with immuno-regulin. Big Boy is a
stray I fed for a couple of years before bringing him inI saw him every
day all that time  he was never sick. I was floored when he tested
pos. Its hard to tell how old he is but vet says somewhere between
4-6. He has been asymptomatic but vet trips are a real ordeal for him so
outside of regular blood tests, I try not to take him in too often. My
other 3 (1 older, 2 younger than Tucson), were around her and not vaccinated for FELVThey now get
tested/vaccinated once a year (were due this month). Anyway, so
far so good, (knock on wood)though I know that things can change in a
heartbeat





Chris

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How are they both doing?
Are they asymptomatic?











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Subject: RE: average lifespan





Ive got a 6 + year
old who tested pos last year though vet thinks she had it all along and a 4+
that I took in as a stray last year who also turned out to be pos.






Chris

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Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005
12:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: average lifespan





Yes,
this is very depressing. Tom was about a year and a half the vet said and I
guess now he is 2 years old. I know now from what the group said what to
expect of his life span. Maybe another year or two.





Is
Salome just a carrier or is it in the bone marrow? To be 9 years old,
shemust be a carrier??





Barbara
Baass

Hideyo Yamamoto
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This is
just so depressing to think about, isnt it?

I look
at Ginger, who is just a year old and every day, I fear of the day  but
fortunately she is doing very good and try not to think about it too much,
instead, I try to concentrate on loving her more - I am going to continue
to fight with Ginger no matter what..















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barbara Baass
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:04
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: average lifespan







Doesn't seem to be a long life span. Looks like maybe 3 to 5 or
6 years. I believe that Tom was born with this because it is in the bone
marrow. He probably got it from his mother. It is a shame that we have to go
through pain and suffering before we die. At least most of the time we do.





Barbra Baass

Terri Brown
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Samantha was 3 (1999)





Arielle was 4-1/2 (2001)





Gareth was 6-1/2 (2003)





Alec was 5-1/2 (2003)











Salome' is still with me. She's 9.











RuthieGirl was 6 months (1996 -- not a FeLV related death;
she was Salome's littermate).





Siggie, Sammi, and Guinevere are FeLV negative.











=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire,
Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and
Alec =^..^=











Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/
My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/
My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350







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From: Gloria
B. Lane 





To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 





Sent: Monday, May
30, 2005 11:44 PM





Subject: Re: average
lifespan









Yo Jenn
-

My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004)

My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003)

My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18. I 
don't believe it. Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs 
maybe? (2002)

Gloria


Well, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it 
varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong 
her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived 
to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the average life
span 
of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan 
expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that 
tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the 
study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the November 1991 issue of 
the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within

RE: Re: average lifespan

[Chris]

I absolutely agree---Many cats are tested
as kittens and never tested againeven if indoor-outdoor. This is
not a new disease but has been around forever. So I think its really hard
to do any statistical research as unless a cat becomes ill, they are not seen.





Chris

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2:25 PM
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average lifespan



A
couple things to think about.Many many cats are POS but never tested and
many of these will never be tested because they don't get sick...and these cats
don't get put into the data base that we use to figure life expectance...So in
reality the life span average may be longer than we think

Also there are advances being made every day that may be a cure...Like feline
interferon...There is always the hope that such will be available in time for a
cat that is still well today...Plus we know things today..like good food and
low stress that we know will help to keep him healthy...

Tad
PS...I have an old girl..vet thinks she is over 12 years old but she has been
with me for almost 2 years and she is doing well...I did just loose my old
Sammy that I have had for a year and a half...I thought the 2 old timers were
past the age where it would get them but Sammy developed a huge tumor in his
mouth in just a few hours and I had to let him go to escape the pain that it
was causing him.



Chris wrote:



Ive got a 6 + year
old who tested pos last year though vet thinks she had it all along and a 4+
that I took in as a stray last year who also turned out to be pos.






Chris

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Message-
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On Behalf Of Barbara Baass
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005
12:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: average lifespan





Yes, this is
very depressing. Tom was about a year and a half the vet said and I guess now
he is 2 years old. I know now from what the group said what to expect of
his life span. Maybe another year or two.





Is Salome just
a carrier or is it in the bone marrow? To be 9 years old, shemust be a
carrier??





Barbara Baass

Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:





This is just so
depressing to think about, isnt it?

I look at Ginger, who is
just a year old and every day, I fear of the day  but fortunately she is
doing very good and try not to think about it too much, instead, I try to
concentrate on loving her more - I am going to continue to fight with
Ginger no matter what..















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Barbara Baass
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:04
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: average lifespan







Doesn't seem to be a long life span. Looks like maybe 3 to 5 or
6 years. I believe that Tom was born with this because it is in the bone
marrow. He probably got it from his mother. It is a shame that we have to go
through pain and suffering before we die. At least most of the time we do.





Barbra Baass

Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:









Samantha was 3 (1999)





Arielle was 4-1/2 (2001)





Gareth was 6-1/2 (2003)





Alec was 5-1/2 (2003)











Salome' is still with
me. She's 9.











RuthieGirl was 6 months
(1996 -- not a FeLV related death; she was Salome's littermate).





Siggie, Sammi, and
Guinevere are FeLV negative.











=^..^= Terri, Salome',
Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl,
Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=











Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/
My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/
My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350







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From: Gloria
B. Lane 





To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 





Sent: Monday, May
30, 2005 11:44 PM





Subject: Re: average
lifespan









Yo Jenn -

My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004)

My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003)

My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18. I 
don't believe it. Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs 
maybe? (2002)

Gloria


Well, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it 
varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong 
her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived 
to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the average life
span 
of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan 
expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that 
tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the 
study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the November 1991 issue of 
the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within two years but about 
20% of the cats lived three or more years. Of course

RE: Jersey.....

[Chris]

Im so sorry to hear about Jersey---He was lucky to have
you and you are lucky to have had him in your life.





Chris

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From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of stany petrov
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005
4:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Jersey.







I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today-
11am.

He was very sick the last two days. I was going to
take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late...

I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is
the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't
want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic.

I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place
in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June
1-2005)

I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I
am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help
you or find out something I have to know for my future pets.

I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be
much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this
forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats.

I don't believe in the death and I think the
place pets are going after it is still a nice one.

On the other hand,though I believe that we have to
fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with
me 100%). 

And not the vets but God knows how longour pets
will live.

I really wish that XXI century will bring the
medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga
used to say.


By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I
will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write
me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them.

See you later,

Stan




From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Jersey
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700

Hi Stan,
 Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on

Jersey and you, how are you both doing?

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RE: Michelle L

[Chris]

My Tucson had series of
Immuno-Regulin twice after lab showed very low wbcboth times she came
right back but also she had no other symptoms (knock on wood!)





Chris

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From:
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Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:42
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Subject: Re: Michelle L





I was
confused by the post because I am also Michelle L.! But I want to add
that Immuno-regulin, in my opinion, seems to help more than feline interferon,
which I have also tried. It is hard to tell exactly what either of them does or
did for my cats, but it seemed that the two times I used Immuno-regulin, once
for pneumonia and once for a bad URI with fever (both times in conjunction with
antibiotics and other immune stimulants) it seemed tohave pretty
immediate effects. I only used feline interferon once, on my cat Ginger before
she had dental surgery to try to boost her immune system, and she came down
with a terrible URI the day after the surgery anyway. It is possible the
feline interferon helped her immune system by helping her virus not to activate
and cause something worse like anemia or lymphoma (which I hope to god are not
brewing inside her), so it is not like I am sure it did not do anything.
But I am unsure whether it did anything. When she was sick with the URI I
gave her two doses of Immuno-regulin, and she had temporary bad side effects
both times (high fever and chills and diarrhea) but then she perked up so
incredibly that it did not seem it could be coincidence. My cat Patches
also recovered well and quickly from pneumonia after getting it. 











Michelle

RE: Jersey

[Chris]

Stan,

You will get much more knowledgeable
answers from folks on this list tomorrow but just a couple of
thoughts. Do you know if vet did both the Elissa  the IFA test; the
Elissa is a simple test they do in the officetakes about 10 minutes; the
IFA, they send blood outtakes a day or so;;These will confirm whether Jersey has FELV 
FIV. How old is Jersey? I am not an expert but from the little I know about lab
values (from a chart I have), it does look like her red blood cells 
hemoglobin are down  I would guess that means shes anemic. It
sounds like vet is giving you the right meds  the cost of a transfusion is
very reasonable. By tomorrow, Im sure youll get more
suggestions from folks who have gone thru anemia/transfusions/etc. You
can also look thru the archives. For now, give her the meds 
try to feed her anything at all she will eat. The more liquid it is, the
better as that will give her some fluids. If she wont eat, dont
be too fussy about the foodtry baby food (without onions in it); cold
cuts; tuna fish  the water from the can; cottage cheese,
yogurt,--remember, some food is better than no food at all. 





Chris

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From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of stany petrov
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:24
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Jersey







Hi,

Finally I have the news about Jersey.

The vet said that the problem with the kidneys is due
to FIV which is a relatively new disease.

She prescribed me some medications and suggested a
blood transfusion (it is 100$, I expected 5-6 hundred)

She gave me: Interferon Alpha, Clavamox,
Cyproheptadine, Prednisoline

The results from the IVP are:

WBC: 17.00

Ne: 13.47 up

Ly: 2.53

Mo:0.76

Eo: 0.23

Ba: 0.01

RBC: 2.54

Hgb: 3.3

PCV: 10.5 down arrow

MCV: 41.5

MCH: 13

MCHC: 31.4

Platelets: 42.000 down

BUN: 33

Creat: 0.8

Phos: 3.9

ALT: 35

Alkp: 22

Tbili: 2.9 up

Glu 83

Amyl: 2444 up

TP: 9.1 up

Alb: 1.5 down

Glob: 7.6 up

Chol: 144

Ca: 7.4 down

Ck: 266 up

Na: 148

K 3.1 down

Cl 126



So, according to her the problem with the beg legs is
not CRF but the tissues themselves (FIV probably) The man who is doing
ultrasound is on vacation. 

Keep you in touch



Stan





The result from the 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Jersey
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:55:03 -0400

Stan, maybe I missed this info in your first email, but how long has he
been this way? Has he always had a weakness in his back legs, or did this just
come on recently? You said he is only 2 years old, right? There are, of course,
many different things that can cause it, from brain damage, to a spinal cord
injury, even severe anemia could lead to weakness that may show up only in the
rear legs (it's a possibility, and one I'm thinking my newest rescue has). I
would get a second opinion from a different vet clinic, if possible. Try
calling around to all your local vets, and ask them on the phone, Do you
have experience treating FELV positive cats aggressively, or do you usually
recommend euthanasia for FELV? That will let you know right away if they
are even worth visiting in person! I am worried that in your first email, you
said the vet told you he has Kidney damage, and now you are saying the vet is
telling you it's somewhere between the kidneys? That does not make
sense to me. It's either kidney damage, or it's NOT kidney damage. Ask her to
clarify herself to you. Have you had the vet do bloodwork, and pull a CBC? If
so, can you get the results, and post them here, many of the members here have
gotten very good at reading test results, and we would be able to help you more
if we had the bloodwork results. I may be mistaken on this one, but I THINK an
ultrasound is a better way to look at kidneys than x-rays. I'm not sure why
your vet is doing x-rays, unless she is thinking of a possible spinal cord
injury? (not the end of the road, in itself, even if that is the case) Are his
gums very white, or are they pink? A lot of the people on this list have had
their vet give their cats blood transfusions, and they say it makes a LOT of
difference right away. You may consider that option.

Here is my recipe for force-feeding, but I'm not sure if it is appropriate
for cats with Kidney damage:
1/4 of a 5 ounce can of cat food (use the prescription kind your vet
recommends)
1 teaspoon of Nutri-cal (you can buy it from your vet or online here:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3378 )
1 to 2 tablespoons unflavored Pedialyte to make it soupy. You can get that
at your local grocery store in the baby food section.
Warm it just a little in the microwave if you have one, but be sure to stir
it and check it with your finger so you don't burn him.
You can get oral syringes from your vet, or online at the same place as the
Nutri-Cal: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3393

RE: Please read this response!! URGENT:DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CATRESCUE-in Orange, NJ]

[Chris]

Of course, the article doesnt
really describe the condition of the living cats except that they were in one
room. Certainly it is at the very least odd that someone would just dump
the carcasses but then how much would it have cost to have each cremated.
And if she couldnt afford the cremation, I doubt she could afford the
vet bills. Ive never understood why the vet schools dont
set up free or low-cost clinics for their students to help with this
situation. It sounds like perhaps this is someone who got in way over
their head As for mixing sick  healthy cats,
does FELV diagnosis automatically constitute sick 



Believe me, Im not trying to make
excuses for her but when as I look for a home for my Big Boy, Ive talked
to any number of people who are clearly in over their head. One person,
highly recommended by several local rescue groups for taking their FELV cats,
refused to tell me where he lived  wanted to meet me in a parking lot to get
Big Boy. Rescue groups apparently meet him at Petco  give him their
FELV kittens. While he said the reason for not telling me where he was
was because people would dump animals made some sense, I was flabergasted that
no legitimate rescue group had ever seen his home. He might be
great but who would ever know! 





Chris

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From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:06
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Subject: Re: Please read this
response!! URGENT:DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CATRESCUE-in Orange, NJ]





That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would
stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving
her supposed furry friends, If she treats her friends this way I
would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up
for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter
themselves andKess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like
the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would
like to meet her in a dark alley.











Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just
so shocked and disgusted.





Cherie







Mia Nicer
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Hi
everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey
and Conn. area.I am not making an
excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which
she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very
familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this
organization but please listen to what I have to say about it:











This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in
the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not
make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of
volunteers and fosters who put inall their free time to helpsome of
these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did
they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to
this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not
punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many
kitties in need of a home and bymaking it harder for them to get their
cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.



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DNA - Marlene Kess  Kitty Kind
Rescue, East Orange, NJ.
Hundreds of dead cats found in yard.


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Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400

Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard
E. Orange resident operates rescue agency
Friday, May 20, 2005
BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON
Star-Ledger Staff
Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a
caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and
adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home
herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death.
Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in
practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining
about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38
of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags
in the back yard.
The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they
produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the
two-story home on State Street.
Oh my God, it was awful, said Michael Fowler of the Associated
Humane
Societies, the state's largest shelter group. The smell was
horrible.
Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which
operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange
from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More
arrived while she