Re: [Felvtalk] Dietary Supplements- Belinda
Belinds, Your Skeeter story is too funny! There is definitely a such thing as too much of a good thing! LOL. Ah! So Skeeter did receive a DL Methionine prescription! Perhaps I should replace my cranberry for this. However, if I do that, I lose the Vitamin C and Vitamin E as the cranberry is a multi-vitamin supplement. That means instead of the standard 4 pills ( L-lysine, C Q 10, Cranberry Fish Oil) that my kids get daily, they will now receive six (L-lysine, C Q 10, fish oil, DL Methionine, Vitamin C Vitamin E.) Is there anyway to combine these supplements i.e. DL Methionine Vitamin E, Vitamin C E, etc.? I suppose I will need to shop around for multi-vitamins. I thought Fred was on a phosphorus binders and not an aluminum binder. Unless the aluminum contains phosphorus there is no potential damage of developing Struvite crystals. Struvite crystals are only made up of magnesium, ammonium and phosphate. Cosequin (or C Q 10) is not for the use of FLUTD. My kids get it for heart health, cell growth and free radical prevention. --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: Lora, Way back in the 1990's my Skeeter had something. He couldn't pee and I took him in just in time. I can't remember what it was called back then. He would get cyrstals and he had to take a DL Methionine pill everyday. I think he was also on special food for a while too but as long as he got his pill (which he loved and would take and eat willingly) he could pretty much eat anything he wanted. In fact, a few years after he was on the pill, I stored them in a jar with a lid, the lid wasn't tight fitting just sat on top of the jar. Well, Skeeter got in the cupboard where I kept them and ate a whole bunch of them. He vomited quite a bit and after that he wasn't so keen on them. Guess he found out the hard way too much of a good thing isn't always so good. He still took them, just not quite so happily! He was on it for years with no problems. The aluminum binder Fred gets is used by most people on the list of over 11,000 members and so far none of the kitties that I know of have ever had a problem with crystals. But I will keep that in mind because on occasion Fred acts like it may be uncomfortable to pee, he always does, buckets but I will keep that in mind if I notice he is acting uncomfortable. I give Fred the cosequin for his arthritis, can't say I have ever heard it mentioned for use with FLUTD, if I remember I'll ask my vet next time Fred goes in or I talk with her ... in fact I need to buy more of it I'm on my last 6 pills. Don't know exactly what D-Mannose is, I think it is a more natural supplement, I haven't had to use it yet but I may seriously think about since Fred does seem to be uncomfortable sometimes when peeing, I think it can go right in the food so that would be good. Guess I'll be doing some more research on that one. Anyone else use it or have more info in it?? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dietary Supplements- Belinda
Belinda, Thanks for your reply. You are the only one who did. I sincerely appreciate it. I realize that some cats are more difficult to pill that others. Thank God I have conditioned my kids to take their meds. Granted some do resist, but they have learned that if they do not take their meds, they did not get their wet cat food. Once they realize that, they eventually warm up to the idea. They REALLY want their wet cat food; therefore, the sacrifice is worth the reward. And that is EXACTLY they way I play it off. I reward them with their wet cat food for taking their meds. I call it praise, they call it treats! However, you cannot just spontaneously start pilling a cat, especially if it is an older generic cat who has never been pilled before. You need to slowing introduce the producer to them, otherwise you will risk stressing out the cat and possibly scarring them for life. If pilling the cat becomes a frightening experience for them, they will definitely remember that and the you will most likely never be able to pill them again. I introduced my pilling method to the kids when they were very young; therefore, they have grown up with the idea of being pilled. However, for those who were permanently adopted into our multi-cat household in their later years had to slow warm up to the understanding of being pilled. For these cats, effective pilling was not an immediate over-night success. It took time and loving patience. Cats can be trained, thus the idea of the litter box, therefore, they can be trained to accept pilled medication without fear, stress or discomfort just as long as the pet-guardian realized to take the efforts in stride. Do everything on the cats terms. Never force them. If they refuse their medication, withhold the treat. Do not starve the cat as punishment for not taking their medicating. Instead, withhold their FAVORITE food item. Offer THAT when introducing the pill. They will being to socialize that particular treat with medication and will quickly realize that it is ONLY offered when medication is administered. Cats are extremely quick-minded and fast learners. Eventually they will put two and two together. After the treat method has been completely successful, the pet-guardian can do the bait and switch method with the treat. Gradually ween the cat from its favorite treat to their favorite flavor of wet cat food. Eventually, the pet-guardian will be administering the proper medication during actual meal-time instead of during treat-time. However, if the bait and switch method never successfully works out, and with some cats it won't as most generic cats hate food and/or environmental change, just simply bite the bullet and stick with the treat/med method. Use what works best for your cat. Remember you want the cat to LIKE being pilled; therefore, if the cat is happy with the reward he/she will be happy to be pilled. Belinda, regarding Fred with his potassium supplements and phosphorus binders in his food for his high phosphorus, would that not cause him to be prone to developing Struvite crystals (magnesium, ammonium, phosphate)? I did not know this about cranberries. What is D-Mannose? I have also read that a dietary supplement called D,L-methionine may be used to alter urinary pH. And a dietary supplement called Cosequin® (containing glucosamine) is advocated by some practitioners to reduce pain and inflammation in the bladders of cats with FLUTD. http://drbarchas.com/flutd Do you know anything about this? --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: Lora, I don't have an positives left, Bailey was my last and I lost him in 2006. I do however have a furkid with HCM and one with CRF a heart murmur. I do know that taurine and CoQ-10 are good for the heart and lysine is good over all for the immune system. My cats aren't great about getting pills, so I only give them what they absolutely need. Joey get benazapril and amlodipine for his HCM. Fred gets the same for his high blood pressure and heart murmur, plus he gets potassium supplements and phosphorus binders in his food for his high phosphorus. All 5 of mine, get a vit b shots once a week too. I can get away with giving them that because that is an injection, not a pill. The only thing I probably wouldn't use is the cranberry. According to the CRF site that I read for answers when Fred is am having problems. This is not a vets site only a person who has been for many years collecting info and who has many years of experience with CRF. Not only her experiences but a CRF group with over 1200 members and another CRF group she is a member of with over 11,000 members, I am a member of both groups. This site is an accumulation of all those years and members experiences. This is a quote from that site about cranberry: *_Cranberry_* You should avoid giving cranberry or food containing cranberry to CRF cats - it is too acidic for CRF cats
Re: [Felvtalk] Dietary Supplements- Colostrum?
Colostrum?! As in first milk or immune milk? What has that got to do with anything? --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: Have you looked at colostrum? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Dietary Supplements
Ever since my beloved FeLV positive kitty (Peeper) passed away in 2003, I have not posted a medical regime update of my kitties' daily dietary supplements. I highly respect all of the medical knowledge on the group and would sincerely appreciate feedback. Our family consists of 12 FeLV negative kitties. Birth dates ranging from 1996 to 2006. Since Feline Lower Urinary Tract Disease (FLUTD) also known as Feline Urinary Syndrome (FUS) and Feline Urinary Tract Infections are common in our household, the kitties get Purina ONE Special Care: Urinary Tract Health Formula. 1/4 scoop each for breakfast. At dinner they get 1/4 of a 5.5 oz can of wet Friskies. Medications and/or dietary supplements are administered in the evening with the wet cat food. Due to FLUTD all 12 of my kitties get 1 soft gel of super concentrated Cranberry Fruit plus Vitamin C each daily. Each soft gel contains Vitamin C 60mg, Vitamin E 6IU and cranberry concentrate 250mg. I buy Spring Valley at Wal-Mart at $3.96 for 100 soft gels. In addition to FLUTD, my kitties also have Feline Optical Herpes. All 12 of my kitties are carriers of the virus. Therefore, all 12 get 1 tablet of L-Lysine 500mg each daily. I buy Spring Valley at Wal-Mart at $4.96 for 250 tablets. Unfortunately, heart disease is no stranger in our home either. Three years ago I lost a beautiful boy to Saddle Thrombus. An appalling and excruciatingly painful disease that attacks suddenly without warning. Aortic thromboembolism, also referred to as saddle thrombus, is a common complication associated with all types of heart disease in the cat. A thrombosis is the formation of a blood clot. An embolism is when the clot lodges within a vessel. It is thought that clots form in one chamber of the left side of the diseased heart. Eventually, these clots break free and travel in the blood vessels until they become lodged or stuck. The most common site for the clot to lodge is in the far part of the aorta, in the area between the rear legs. This cuts off the blood supply to both rear legs. A clot can also get stuck in the artery that supplies the front legs, kidneys or intestines or can clog an artery to the brain. Clots rarely lodge in veins since the right side of the heart is not commonly involved. When a clot lodges, the cat can no longer use his rear legs and most often dies. Saddle Thrombus is a secondary heart condition. Therefore, all 12 get 1 soft gel of CoQ10 100mg each daily. I buy Nature Made at Wal-Mart at $21.94 for 60 soft gels. CoQ10 not only helps with cell production and free radicals, but also with heart function. NOTE: In the cranberry soft gel that my kitties get includes Vitamin E which helps to gradually break down blood clots in the circulatory system, and helps prevent more from forming. Vitamin E encourages collateral circulation in the smaller blood vessels of the body. It seems to promote healing with the formation of much less scar tissue. Vitamin E helps strengthen and regulate the heartbeat. Vitamin E is a blood thinner. Last but not least, some of my older kitties suffer from Alopecia, whether it be allergies i.e. dietary, airborne; hormones; or fungal infections i.e. ringworm, mold, yeast I do not know. I have had trichograms (microscopic examination of the hair root), skin scrapings, fungus cultures, dermatophyte cultures, lab woods lamp examinations (black light exams) and blood tests preformed, but still do not have any definitive, conclusive answers. Twelve cats unfortunately produces 12 separate results. Therefore, I treat the symptoms. All 12 get 1 soft gel of Fish Oil 1200mg each daily. I buy Nature Made at Wal-Mart at $5.38 for 100 soft gels. Note: Fish Oil may reduce the risk of coronary heart disease which is another reason why my kitties get it. SUMMARY: 1.) L-lysine: For Feline Optical herpes, immune system and skin. 2.) Super Concentrated Cranberry Fruit plus Vitamin C: For Urinary Tract Infections, Immune system and clot prevention/blood thinner. 3.) CoQ10: For cell production, free radical prevention and heart function. 4.) Fish Oil: For reducing the risk of coronary heart disease and shin/hair. That is four pills per cat daily. We go through a lot of meds in our house. What do you think? Should I add, substitute or subtract supplements? Is this dietary supplement regime fine the way it is? Can it be improved? Does anyone else administer this many pills to a single cat? Thanks, Lora ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
RED FLAG! NEVER, EVER adopt out to ANYone who will NOT give out their persoanal, physical, residential address! Furthermore, never just ask for their address. VERIFY it! --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com wrote: What if I can't personally take the cat? The adopter does not live in CA. I live in San Diego, CA. He does answer all of my questions. The only thing he refuse to give me was his address. Should I be concern? He says that he wouldn't like his address to slip out and then have a line of people outside his place asking him to adopt their cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT- Tiffany, blind DUMPED cat, needs your help!
Kelly, Thanks for explaining, but the vet is sure taking his/her time. Hope Tiffany's health can wait. I love special needs kitties (have 13 myself) and my vet is on the ball within hours. For me, meds refills/prescriptions are administered within same day as seen. The most I have ever had to wait for meds was 24 hours. I guess some are just not as fortunate. It just bleeds my heart to hear of such things. Does she act comfortable? --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lora, The holdup is that we are waiting for the vet to prescribe the medication. None of us can prescribe it ourselves. He does not carry that medication in stock either, so we will need to get the prescription filled once we have it (I hope Monday) which won't be a problem, but we do need to have the prescription first. On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Lora cat_crazyfana...@yahoo.com wrote: Kelly, Tiffany has been in your organization's care since (at least) last Wednesday 06-17-09 and she still is not receiving her medical regime for high pressure? That is almost a week. What is the holdup? Five days without her proper medicine cannot be good. The longer the wait for medical care, the more likely that the damage done (besides being blind) is permanent. Can't cats with untreated high blood pressure die from hypertension? Lora ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT- Venting
Cannot believe that frigging people STILL feel this away towards animals. I replied to an on-line message board in a group that I belong to and this is what the idiot had to say. It is enough to blow my top. If everyone thought/felt this way there would be no hope for ANY animals, much less for the poor FeLV positive kitties! There are just some humans that I hate! They give good, honest, caring pet guardians a bad name. It people with this disgusting type of attitude that makes me wish that I could save them all...including the FeLVs. --- on Mon, 22 Jun 2009, hirec...@aol.com hirec...@aol.com wrote: To: evansvillec...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Quick Question They are ANIMALS, not humans. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Lora cat_crazyfana...@yahoo.com wrote: That is frigging appalling! I was aware of the research lab buying free animals, but I absolutely had no idea that there was a lab in Mt. Vernon! That is too damn close for my liking! And about feeding pet snakes? Nothing makes me madder than hell to hear about some poor, broke-ass idiot feeding their snake baby kittens! This is why I absolutely will NEVER be a reptile guardian. People, PLEASE be responsible and SCREEN potential applicants who are interested your FREE pet ad! You are playing Russian roulette with these poor innocent lives. How would you feel is someone freed you off to a serial killer? And in some cases, that is EXACTLY what you are doing, handing over animals to be slaughtered, either via a lab or via a menu. I absolutely hate FREE classified pet ads. They always attract the irresponsible pet owners, pet abusers and those looking to make a quick buck off the lives of the innocent. --- On Mon, 6/22/09, LJW ljwgl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Please be careful - to whomever asks for the cat or dog, tell them (1) they can bring it back if there is a problem when they get it home and (2) you will be checking on it later. There have been people give pets away on freecycle (when they got away with it) and then later posted that they didn't even get the person's name or address! There are people who take them to sell to the lab around Mt Vernon, and there are people who get the small ones (kittens, gerbils and tiny puppies) to use as feed for their snakes. ( A previous neighbor used to get snake food that way.) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT- Tiffany, blind DUMPED cat, needs your help!
Kelly, Tiffany has been in your organization's care since (at least) last Wednesday 06-17-09 and she still is not receiving her medical regime for high pressure? That is almost a week. What is the holdup? Five days without her proper medicine cannot be good. The longer the wait for medical care, the more likely that the damage done (besides being blind) is permanent. Can't cats with untreated high blood pressure die from hypertension? Lora ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT- Tiffany, blind DUMPED cat, needs your help!
Kelly, Due to the current economic status I no longer use credit cards (closed them all out) and I do not give our my debit card number. Therefore, I neither shop on-line nor pay bills on-line (use PayPal). Do you have a residential address (or a P.O. Box) in which money order and/or cash donations can be physically USPS mailed to? Will you even accept money order/cash payments? Lora --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Tiffany is an approximately 15-16 year old DUMPED cat with untreated high blood pressure which has caused her to become blind. She will need to be on blood pressure meds for life; they are calculating the dosage now. Please help us if you can. We have spent $178 on her already exclusive of the meds she will need to be on for life. We expect she was dumped because her owners did not want to pay to fix what was wrong. http://rescuties.chipin.com/tiffany-the-blind-cat -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT- Tiffany, blind DUMPED cat, needs your help!
Kelly, Thank you. Lora --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Absolutely. (Though I don't recommend you sending cash through the mail, we accept it). Rescuties Animal Rescue P.O. Box 17442 Austin, TX 78760 Tiffany thanks you and you will get a thank you note and receipt for tax purposes. Kelley On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Lora cat_crazyfana...@yahoo.com wrote: Kelly, Due to the current economic status I no longer use credit cards (closed them all out) and I do not give our my debit card number. Therefore, I neither shop on-line nor pay bills on-line (use PayPal). Do you have a residential address (or a P.O. Box) in which money order and/or cash donations can be physically USPS mailed to? Will you even accept money order/cash payments? Lora --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Tiffany is an approximately 15-16 year old DUMPED cat with untreated high blood pressure which has caused her to become blind. She will need to be on blood pressure meds for life; they are calculating the dosage now. Please help us if you can. We have spent $178 on her already exclusive of the meds she will need to be on for life. We expect she was dumped because her owners did not want to pay to fix what was wrong. http://rescuties.chipin.com/tiffany-the-blind-cat -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Rescue Work Tax Deductible?
I was in the Harp's Pets (a pet shop here in Evansville, IN) picking up some Sugar Glider nectar that I had orded the week before, when the chashier asked me if I bred. I told her heck no! I do sugar glider and cat/kitten rescue work. She commenced to telling me that rescue work is tax deductible. No way? Really? She says so. Anyone know anything about this? I am the queen of paper, so providing receipts for spay/neuter operation, dentials, vaccinations, blood work-ups panels, veterinarian over-the-counter medications e.g. antibiotic, flea/tick topical repellent (Revloution), food, litter, equipment, accessories, etc. can be proven. I can itemize if need be. Not exactly sure HOW to do that. The rescue work tax deduction that the cashier was referring to is not the 501(c) Non Profit Code is it? Rescue work is not categorized the same as Non Profit is it? I thought the were two (2) separate entities. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: Rescue Work Tax Deductible?
Kelly, Thanks for the quick response. Well, shoot! I am not a 501(c)(3). Darn, I thought I was onto something. Just curious, what do you mean when you pay a vet bill you need to get a receipt from the 501(c)(3). How do you get a receipt from the 501(c)(3)? They were not there at the vet's office at the time of billing. How can they give a receipt for something they did not charge? --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are doing the rescue work for a recognized 501(c)(3) it is tax deductible. This is one of many good reasons to form a 501(c)(3) IMHO. Some have a different opinion. Other benefits are increased donations, possibility for grants, etc. If you are doing it on your own then no, I'm afraid it is not tax deductible. The IRS has gotten more strict this year also - so when you pay a vet bill you need to get a receipt from the 501(c)(3). If you have any more questions I'll be happy to try to answer them, but I'm not a CPA or anything. --- Lora wrote: I was in the Harp's Pets (a pet shop here in Evansville, IN) picking up some Sugar Glider nectar that I had ordered the week before, when the cashier asked me if I bred. I told her heck no! I do sugar glider and cat/kitten rescue work. She commenced to telling me that rescue work is tax deductible. No way? Really? She says so. Anyone know anything about this? I am the queen of paper, so providing receipts for spay/neuter operation, dentials, vaccinations, blood work-ups panels, veterinarian over-the-counter medications e.g. antibiotic, flea/tick topical repellent (Revloution), food, litter, equipment, accessories, etc. can be proven. I can itemize if need be. Not exactly sure HOW to do that. The rescue work tax deduction that the cashier was referring to is not the 501(c)(3) Non Profit Code is it? Rescue work is not categorized the same as Non Profit is it? I thought the were two (2) separate entities. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: Cranberry Supplement
Marylyn, Thanks for the link. I have checked it out. Unfortunately, their cranberry products are way too expensive and for smaller quanties. I paid $9.96 for 250 capsules. I guess I will not be able to find that kind of deal anywhere else. :( Perhaps I can check out Sam's Club... Thanks again! Lora --- Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try www.Rainbowblossom.com I have never ordered from them, but frequently go in the stores in Louisville and they are great. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis --- Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Super Wal-mart Center where I used purchase my Spring Valley 475 mg of Natural Whole Herb Cranberry Fruit capsules has been discontinued. I need to find an equal replacement. Where do you buy your Cranberry supplements at? I need Cranberry in a capsule form and withOUT additinal vitamins/supplements mixed in i.e. vitamin C, vitamin E, Blueberry, etc. I paid $9.96 for 250 capsules. I have already checked out Puritan's Pride for Cranberry and they do not offer a 100% pure Cranberry capsule. All of their Cranberry produts are mixed with other vitamins and/or supplements. Any ideas? Lora __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: kitty not eating - website
I did not see a veterinarian's list at the www.adopt.bemikitties.com website. How do we add our veterinatian's information to the site? Do new members have to register first or is the info included in the ads? --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: speaking of which, please go to: www.adopt.bemikitties.com and PUT IN YOUR VET'S INFO, so newcomers moving to your town know who to go see! MC On 4/24/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary, There have been concerns raised with the use of valium for kitties. I've used the appetite stimulant Cyproheptadine made into a transdermal gel to be applied to the inside tip of a cat's ear. It's much less stressful to administer a drug in this way than forcing them to ingest it. I strongly suggest that you speak to your vet about the different options that would be appropriate in helping Cakooie begin eating and for further diagnostic/treatment plans. I would also suggest that you ask your regular vet for a referral to a board certified Internist specialized in the care of cats. While we on the list are well meaning in offering suggestions that might benefit you and your cat, you need to seek the advice of a professional who will be better able to advise you on protocols and medications indicated. Print out our emails and archive suggestions and arm yourself with questions on how to best help your Cakooie. Please make the appointment asap. Nina -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Cranberry Supplement
The Super Wal-mart Center where I used purchase my Spring Valley 475 mg of Natural Whole Herb Cranberry Fruit capsules has been discontinued. I need to find an equal replacement. Where to you buy your Cranberry supplements at? I need Cranberry in a capsule form and withOUT additinal vitamins/supplements mixed in i.e. vitamin C, vitamin E, Blueberry, etc. I paid $9.96 for 250 capsules. I have already checked out Puritan's Pride for Cranberry and they do not offer a 100% pure Cranberry capsule. All of their Cranberry produts are mixed with other vitamins and/or supplements. Any ideas? Lora __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Wellness has a free bag offer
This link does not work. http://www.omhpet.com/wellness/trywellness/ I cannot even access the omhpet.com website. The offer was issued on 03-30-07. They cannot be out of their supply yet! It is only been three (3) days! All it says is: The webpage cannot be found. HTTP 404 Most likely causes: There might be a typing error in the address. If you clicked on a link, it may be out of date. What you can try: Retype the address. Go back to the previous page. Go to www.omhpet.com and look for the information you want. More information This error (HTTP 404 Not Found) means that Internet Explorer was able to connect to the website, but the page you wanted was not found. It's possible that the webpage is temporarily unavailable. Alternatively, the website might have changed or removed the webpage. For more information about HTTP errors, see Help. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you guys didn't see this. Karen --- Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omhpet.com/wellness/trywellness/ The four pound bags run around $21 here, so even a one pound bag is worth it. They send the bag, not a coupon. 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
Re: cat food recall
Del, I noticed that too. Thank God Purina products are not manufactured via menufoods! Also, I noticed that Wal-Mart's generic store brand of cat food Special Kitty is on this list. However are all varities of Special Kitty contaminated i.e. dry food, canned food, gravy-cuts or is the list strictly for gravy-cuts ONLY?! --- Del H. Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fancy Feast was not on the list either ... yet? --- Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Lori. I cannot believe I am saying this, but this might be the first time where it was okay to feed your cat Friskies. Although Friskies IS a commercial brand that is neither high quality nor contains human grade meat, I do not see any of their products on this list; which is a plus in my book! That is a relief for those of us who have cats who are junk food junkies. :) I cannot believe that Nutro Max Gourmet Classics and Nutro Natural Choice made it on the list! Nutro is supposed to be a high-end cat food! Lora --- Lori S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are the wet cuts in gravy kind. They should all be off the shelves by now but check your cupboards. I can't believe those varied brands are made by the same company. My cats don't eat any of these but check for yours. Americas Choice, Preferred Pets 2. Authority 3. Best Choice 4. Companion 5. Compliments 6. Demoulas Market Basket 7. Eukanuba 8. Fine Feline Cat 9. Food Lion 10. Foodtown 11. Giant Companion 12. Hannaford 13. Hill Country Fare 14. Hy-Vee 15. Iams 16. Laura Lynn 17. Li'l Red 18. Loving Meals 19. Meijer's Main Choice 20. Nutriplan 21. Nutro Max Gourmet Classics 22. Nutro Natural Choice 23. Paws 24. Pet Pride 25. Presidents Choice 26. Price Chopper 27. Priority 28. Save-A-Lot 29. Schnucks 30. Science Diet Feline Savory Cuts Cans 31. Sophistacat 32. Special Kitty Canada 33. Special Kitty US 34. Springfield Prize 35. Sprout 36. Total Pet 37. Wegmans 38. Western Family 39. White Rose 40. Winn Dixie Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
Re: cat food recall
Oops! I stand corrected. Purina does do LIMITED business with Menufoods. Purina voluntarily withdraw Mighty Dog® 5.3 ounce pouch products in response to Menu Foods recall. However, Purina Mills, Inc. manufactures the majority of Purina's products. Purina Mills, Inc. is the largest manufacturer of animal feed products in the United States, producing more than five million tons of feed each year. Through its 50 feed mills, the company produces thousands of feed formulations specially designed for various types of animals, including beef and dairy cattle, goats, horses, sheep, pigs, poultry, pets, and lab and zoo animals. Purina also operates more than 35 retail outlets, which sell animal feed, lawn and garden supplies, hardware, and related items. This reminds me of the Simply Orange juice commerical. They own the trees, the grove, the oranges. If you are going to make something you might as well own it. Purina not only owns their own products, they make it too! I just cannot believe that these high-end products like Nutro do NOT manufacture their own products! I expected better quality from them. It is really sad to find out that a common commerical food manufactures their own product when these high quality pet food companies do not. Makes you wonder if spending that extra dollar for their expensive prices tag is worth it. And as far as the Wal-Mart Special Kitty question, I found the answer. The recall was for the pouches only. The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
Re: cat food recall
Thanks Lori. I cannot believe I am saying this, but this might be the first time where it was okay to feed your cat Friskies. Although Friskies IS a commercial brand that is neither high quality nor contains human grade meat, I do not see any of their products on this list; which is a plus in my book! That is a relief for those of us who have cats who are junk food junkies. :) I cannot believe that Nutro Max Gourmet Classics and Nutro Natural Choice made it on the list! Nutro is supposed to be a high-end cat food! Lora --- Lori S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are the wet cuts in gravy kind. They should all be off the shelves by now but check your cupboards. I can't believe those varied brands are made by the same company. My cats don't eat any of these but check for yours. Americas Choice, Preferred Pets 2. Authority 3. Best Choice 4. Companion 5. Compliments 6. Demoulas Market Basket 7. Eukanuba 8. Fine Feline Cat 9. Food Lion 10. Foodtown 11. Giant Companion 12. Hannaford 13. Hill Country Fare 14. Hy-Vee 15. Iams 16. Laura Lynn 17. Li'l Red 18. Loving Meals 19. Meijer's Main Choice 20. Nutriplan 21. Nutro Max Gourmet Classics 22. Nutro Natural Choice 23. Paws 24. Pet Pride 25. Presidents Choice 26. Price Chopper 27. Priority 28. Save-A-Lot 29. Schnucks 30. Science Diet Feline Savory Cuts Cans 31. Sophistacat 32. Special Kitty Canada 33. Special Kitty US 34. Springfield Prize 35. Sprout 36. Total Pet 37. Wegmans 38. Western Family 39. White Rose 40. Winn Dixie Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
60 Million Containers of Pet Food Recalled After Dog and Cat Deaths
Did anyone see/read this? The recalled pet food was sold by stores operated by the Kroger Company, Safeway Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) and PETSMART Inc., among others. I shop at Petsmart! Scary stuff! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259223,00.html www.menufoods.com/recall FYI: Menufoods had shut down their website until Saturday 03-17-07 morning. I have googled, yahooed and MSNed them and I did not turn up a thing. I keep getting the message: Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage. Most likely causes: You are not connected to the Internet. The website is encountering problems. There might be a typing error in the address. Please let me know if anyone finds any additional information! Thanks! Lora -- 60 Million Containers of Pet Food Recalled After Dog and Cat Deaths WASHINGTON A major manufacturer of dog and cat food sold under Wal-Mart, Safeway, Kroger and other store brands recalled 60 million containers of wet pet food Friday after reports of kidney failure and deaths. An unknown number of cats and dogs suffered kidney failure and about 10 died after eating the affected pet food, Menu Foods said in announcing the North American recall. Product testing has not revealed a link explaining the reported cases of illness and death, the company said. At this juncture, we're not 100 percent sure what's happened, said Paul Henderson, the company's president and chief executive officer. However, the recalled products were made using wheat gluten purchased from a new supplier, since dropped for another source, spokeswoman Sarah Tuite said. Wheat gluten is a source of protein. The recall covers the company's cuts and gravy style food, which consists of chunks of meat in gravy, sold in cans and small foil pouches between Dec. 3 and March 6 throughout the U.S., Canada and Mexico. The pet food was sold by stores operated by the Kroger Company, Safeway Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) and PetSmart Inc., among others, Henderson said. Menu Foods did not immediately provide a full list of brand names and lot numbers covered by the recall, saying they would be posted on its Web site -- www.menufoods.com/recall -- early Saturday. Consumers with questions can call (866) 463-6738. The company said it manufacturers for 17 of the top 20 North American retailers. It is also a contract manufacturer for the top branded pet food companies. Its three U.S. and one Canadian factory produce more than 1 billion containers of wet pet food a year. The recall covers pet food made at company plants in Emporia, Kan., and Pennsauken, N.J., Henderson said. Henderson said the company received an undisclosed number of owner complaints of vomiting and kidney failure in dogs and cats after they had been fed its products. It has tested its products but not found a cause for the sickness. To date, the tests have not indicated any problems with the product, Henderson said. The company alerted the Food and Drug Administration, which already has inspectors in one of the two plants, Henderson said. The FDA was working to nail down brand names covered by the recall, agency spokesman Mike Herndon said. Menu Foods is majority owned by the Menu Foods Income Fund, based in Ontario, Canada. Henderson said the recall would cost the company the Canadian equivalent of $26 million to $34 million. It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: Respiratory Distress
Kelley, Thanks so much replying to my email, for you have been the ONLY one to respond to my thread. I sincerely appreciate the link. I will check it out. Thanks again! Lora --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, You might have better luck asking this question on the feline heart list. I have a kitty with heart disease but don't know the answer to this question. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/ --- Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, folks! Can a cat have Asthma AND Pulmonary Parenchymal Disease (pulmonary edema) WITHOUT having Cardiomyopathy i.e. Dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM), Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM) and Restrictive cardiomyopathy (RCM)? My six (6) year old FeLV negative neutered male was diagnosed with Asthma and pulmonary edema today. Cardiomyophy diagnosis is still pending. He is also negative for FIP. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks! Lora Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
Respiratory Distress
Hey, folks! Can a cat have Asthma AND Pulmonary Parenchymal Disease (pulmonary edema) WITHOUT having Cardiomyopathy i.e. Dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM), Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM) and Restrictive cardiomyopathy (RCM)? My six (6) year old FeLV negative neutered male was diagnosed with Asthma and pulmonary edema today. Cardiomyophy diagnosis is still pending. He is also negative for FIP. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks! Lora Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: Recent vaccination vs actual disease
Nancy, Agreed. It is very rare for a cat to become positive from a Feline Leukemia vaccine. Since the FeLV vaccines are Killed the cat has very little change of contracting the virus. The cat has a better chance of developing fibrosarcomas than FeLV. However, if the cat was positive for FeLV BEFORE the vaccine was administered, then she got a double-dose of Feline Leukemia. Which is bad. The cat's body was already producing antibodies to fight off the disease, so her immune system did not need to be stimulated into making more. Over stimulation can compromise the immune system making it weak and more susceptible to secondary infections and/or diseases. Humans do not take the flu shot when they have the flu and FeLV vaccines should absolutely NEVER be giving to a FeLV positive cat. PERIOD. Sounds like your poor kitty was FeLV positive prior to the vaccine and no one knew about it. Just make sure that the she does not receive any more FeLV vaccines. She may be sick for awhile. Imagine having the flu and fighting off the flu vaccine at the same time. It has got to be hell. Please keep us posted and do not PTS immediately! She can recover from the double-dosage if even the proper recovery time, but she will probably always be FeLV positive. Good luck. I will be praying for your kitty. Feline Leukemia is not a death sentence. --- kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:13 AM 10/27/2006, you wrote: You do not get a positive snap test from the vaccine... Kelly Lane --- Nancy Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question. My cat recently was vaccinated for feline leukemia. No one suspected she might have the disease. Another vet tested her for the disease and said she is positive. Is there any correlation between a recent vaccine for feline leukemia and the lab picking up a positive result for feline leukemia? I know the cat is not doing well. She is thin and has stomatitis. I am going to take her to a holistic vet to try to get her better. Nancy Schneider Management Analyst Dept of Transportation 12544 Saticoy St N Hollywood 91605 Voice(818) 756-9558 Fax (818) 756-9245 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: lump from injection site - dangerous?
removed a very wide margin there may be little benefit to additional therapy. There have been statistical reports that support only a 50% recurrence rate if the tumor was only surgically removed. When surgery does not work to stop the spread of the tumor the prognosis is poor for long term survival. Currently, I am looking at the same situation you are. A few months ago, my Madison Lee had amputation surgery for a tumor that truned out to be a Medium Grade malignant fibrosarcoma. She survived the surgery and so far she is not exhibiting any outward symptoms of recurrence. However, we did not consult an oncologist first, she did not have a preoperative biopsy performed, a surgical specialist did not perform the operation and radiation therapy is not economically possible. The nearest oncology specialtist is located in Indianapolis, Indiana...four (4) hours away from us and that is only one way. It is a total eight (8) hours' drive round-trip. Therefore, we opted to have amputation surgery performed via our local and trusted vet and a histopathology report drawn up on the biopsy specimen. We just hope for the best, but are prepared for the worst. Good luck with Dharma's diagnosis. I am hoping that she just has a cyst. Lora --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I need your help. I just noticed that my Dharma, whom I have been treating for possible FIP, developed a lump around neck shoulder area. I have been giving different injections, interferon, sub q fluid, vitamin B, eetc. and am not sure exactly if this is the location, but I am wondering if it's caused by injections. If so, should I worry about this? I heard before that injections (any) can cause cancers and I am very worried now. I would appreciate any insights. Thank you! Hideyo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT:my neighbour is moving and putting her own cat to sleep!
Does anyone know what came to be of this poor soul? I was personally following this particular thread, but an update was never posted. Please tell me that there is a happy ending... Poor baby. --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday, my neighbour college student girl came over and ask if I could adopt one of her cats, she has two and she is moving into a place where they only allow one cat -- what type of logic is this? Then, I asked what she is going to do if she cannot find a home and her BF said to me... well the vet suggests that PTS ---because he is too fragil and did not think that he can go through any stressful sitatuion... I just couldn't believe it. where I left is that I would come take a look at the cat. I am not sure what to do. I just know that this cat definitely does not deserve to be PTS just because these people are cruel and idiot enough to find a place where they only allow one cat when they already have two cats! I just don't get it. Any suggestions? As I need to vent and see if anyone has any ideas as to what I need to do. Hideyo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Special Need List Add-On: Madison Lee
Tonya, Hi sweetie! Yes, as a matter of fact I am! *glows* Jasmyn Victoria was born on 02-13-06. She was 8 pounds, 7 ounces and 20 inches long! Yeah, a whooper! Her head alone wad 33 and 1/3 cm around. Now at five (5) months old she weighs 18.4 pounds and is over 25 inches long! Like I said a whooper, but a cutie! Mommy's little gerber baby. She has the cheeks of a Cabbage Patch doll! Man does the time just fly by! We are eating jar food and sitting up straight with little or no support, but have not yet mastered the art of crawling. She smiles and laughs, but no first words yet. Although me and my husband anticipate her first word before her first crawl. I will have to send some photobucket links of her album. Some of her first months have already been uploaded, but unfortunately I have not had the time to upload her more recent pictures. Aside from my daughter's birth, 2006 has been a rough year. First Stray's unexpected death and now Madison's Mysterious Mass. Hopefully with Madison's good news me and my husband can turn our attention back to the more fun things of life...like watching our daughter mimic funny faces as she attempts to pull kitty tails! :) We are keeping our fingers crosed. Thanks for asking! Hugs, Lora --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is fantastic news!!! And the price is very good. I can't get a dental for less than $300! Haven't heard from you in a while.. does that mean you're now the proud parent of a baby person??? t __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Special Need List Add-On: Madison Lee
Hi Everyone, I called the vet's office yesterday around 4:30 P.M. for an update on Madison's status and am happy to report that she not only survived the general anesthetic (isoflurane gas), but the operation itself! Due to Madison's age I was SO worried about the use of anesthetic, but she pulled through with flying colors. We picked up Madison from the hospital this afternoon and despite her condition, she acts perfectly normal. As soon as she saw me she pratcially jumped into my arms and when we touched she instantly started to purr and kneed. Here is the breakdown of the current events: 07-08-06 Extreral Examination- $15.00 dollars. 07-12-06 Amputation Surgery of Tumor- $80.00 dollars. 07-12-06 Lab Histopathology (biopsy of tumor)- $38.00. 07-12-06 Radiograph 10 X 12 (X-ray of chest)- 35.00. 07-12-06 Clavamox Drops (an antibiotic)- 14.00. 07-13-06 Current Total $182 (which is NOT a bad price considering we are talking about possible cancer. I which treatment for human cancer was this cheap!) Keep in mind that this is just a running total, because the postoperative appointment will be an additional cost as well as any treatment for cancer IF she has it. Madison's postoperative exam is scheduled for Saturday July the 22nd. That is exactly ten (10) days from her surgery date. Our veterinarian will remove her sutures then. Unlike an invasive spay operation which requires dissolvable sutures, Madison's sugery was external which required non-dissolvable sutures, hence the postoperative appointment. Our veterinarian used a vertical incision which is approximating three (3) inches in length and resulted in seventeen (17) individual stitches. Although Madison was discharged withOUT any pain medication she does not seem to mind. As soon as we returned home she quickly inspected every room in the house to ensure that everything was the way SHE left it (such a queen) and then curled up on the back of the couch (her reserved spot) to take a nap. If she understands the severity of the situation, she clearly does not care. In addition to the surgery and biopsy our veterinarian took an X-ray of her chest to confirm if there was any cancer cells in that area. There was not, her chest cavity can back clean and our veterinarian feels confident that the tumor itself was contained. The word contained is cancer jargon for meaning that a small portion of tissue (usually an inch) surrounding the tumor was clean or cancer-free. In amputation surgery of a possible cancerous tumor, surgeons typically remove some good tissue along with the tumor in hopes that ALL of the cancerous cells have been extracted from the body; thus containing the cancer. This technique is common practice in surgical oncology i.e. colectomies, lumpectomies, mastectomies, etc. as conventional cancer treatments. However, the biopsy report from the diagnostic laboratory pathology department is expected to be received on or before her postoperative appointment. It will be then that our veterinarian will be able to tell us if the tumor was benign or malignant and IF the tumor was malignant what TYPE of cancer it is. If Madison is dignosed with cancer we will discuss a course of treatment i.e. chemotherapy, radiation-therapy, immunotherapy, new/innovative therapies, etc. then. As of right now, we are just focused on Madison recovering from the surgery itself. She made it over the first hurdle (the surgery) now if she can just get over the next (the cancer.) We are not out of the woods yet. Please continue to keep my sweet Madison Lee in your thoughts and prayers. We need all the positive healing vibes that we can get. Thank you to everyone who has emailed replys and posted their well-wishes. We sincerely appreciate it. Hugs, Lora __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Special Need List Add-On: Madison Lee
Helene, I never gave it much thought, but you know what, Madison's name DOES sound Southern does it not? LOL. As a matter of fact yeah, we resided in Southern Indiana. Huh. I never realized that I had named her after a Southern Bell. I was just looking for a nice middle name that sounded/looked good with the word Madison. Most of my furkids have full names i.e. Temper Tail, Felix Anthony, Sebastian Avery, Abigail Rayna, Tabitha Shaylin, Gypsy Marie, Masion Lee, Mason Keith, Dartagnan Montague, Whiney Alison, Begger Ray, Mercedes Benz, etc. :) They are just fun to say aloud when one of the furkids gets into trouble and even funnier to watch when people do a double-take expecting to see me scolding at a child, not a cat! LOL! Lora --- Helene Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Madison Lee is certainly in my thoughts and prayerssounds sucessful!!! Madison's surgery was only $20.00 more than Sam's blood work this past week, and Delilah's blood work last week!! Is Madison Lee a Southern Kitty name, by any chance? Helene __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Special Need List Add-On: Madison Lee
Nina, No the mass has not grown in size since I found it on 07-01-06. However, I do not know how long Madison has had the lump. It is very possible that it started out extremely tiny i.e. pea size and I just had not discovered it yet. It is also possible that the knot has always been the size of a quarter and it simply developed extremely fast. We will never know for certain. All that can be confirmed is that I offically found it on 07-01-06. Persoanlly, I wish I had found it sooner. :( No, the tumor does not hurt Madison. She will let me touch it and still permits me to scratch her neck. The mass is not hot to the touch. I can wrap my fingers around three (3) sides of the knot, so I am assumming that it is attached to subcutaneous tissue on its fourth side. Although the mass remains in one generalized location, it IS easily manipulated...kinda like jello. Sorry it is the only analogy that I can think of. The tumor moves when touched, but it always returns to its generalized location of the lower neck. LOL. Does any of that make sense? I suppose the mobility of the tumor is due to the fact that it is only attched to tissue via the one size, leave it virtually free-floating in her neck?? It is the only reasoning that I can come up with. I will post again soon. Thanks for the well-wishes. Lora --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me too, Lora. I'll be praying that the lump is nothing more than fatty tissue and be thinking about the two of you come Wed. Has it grown, or changed in anyway since you spotted it? Does it hurt her when you manipulate it? Does it seem to move as you play with it, or does it remain in one place, like it's attached to something? Please keep us informed. Try not to worry before you know if there's anything to be too concerned about. I know that's easier said than done, but you're on top of it and worry won't help. Hugs to you and your baby, Nina __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Special Need List Add-On: Madison Lee
Belinda, Could you please add my darling little Madison Lee to the Special Needs list? She is one of my FeLV negatives who is a five (5) year old black and white tuxedo. On July the first I found a knot, the size of a quarter, at the base of her neck. I do not know if any of the original members who were active when I first joined the FElVtalk list back in 2002 (when my beloved Peeper was alive) remembers the college argumentative essay that I wrote regarding Feline Vaccine Aassociated Sarcomas (FVAS.) Anyway, that essay was written a year later in 2003 and that is the year I quit vaccinating my kitties...ALL of them. It is because of this that I am hoping my sweet little Madison does NOT have FVAS. She has not been vaccinated for FVRCP, Rabies or Feline Leukemia in the past three (3) years. We took her to the hospital for an external exam on Saturday July the 8th. Exactly one week later. Thanks to the blasted 4th of July holiday they were backed up and the 8th was the soonest that I could get in! Why in the hell do all medical emergencies occur on the holidays when regular veterinarian offices are closed?! This is the third time is has happened to me and my kids in the past ten years! Grrr! Unfortunately, our veterinarian informed us that cats can develop FVAS with or withOUT be vaccinated! I do not know if I agree with this statement. I will have to do more research. Perhaps there has been some new developing information in the last three (3) years that supports this theory. I do not know, but will find out. Amptuation surgery is scheduled immediately. If the tumor is indeed malignant, the longer it stays in her body the higher the risk of it metastasizing to other parts. A huge concern is cancer in her chest cavity. Surgey will begin on Wednesday July the 12th and once the tumor has been removed our veterinarian will dissect it and send it to pathology for confirmation. We are all praying that it is just a benign, fatty, subcutaneous tumor that will not require chemo, but unfortunately there is no way to tell until the tumor is physically out of her body and sent to pathology. Currently, Madison is asymptomatic. She is not showing any outward signs of cancer. She has not lost any weight, her appetite has remain normal and hardy, she is not running a temperature, her eyes and nose are clear, her coat is still shiny and her activity level has not slowed down. So, we sit and wait...and pray with positive thoughts. Out of 22 years of resuce work and a cat-mom to 14, never once have I ever encountered a feline with a tumor. This will be another first for me. 2006 is quickly turning out to be a bad year for me. With that said, we hope for the best, but are perpared for the worst. Please keep us in your thoughts. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Stray- CLS
Belinda could you please add my beloved Stray to the CLS? Thanks! Thursday 01-26-06 me and Christopher (my husband) got up around 2:00 P.M. with intentions of driving to Owensboro, KY to cash his check and to buy a can of Bright Beginnings baby formula (stocking up for delivery.) While Chistopher is in the shower I am downstairs loading the dishwasher that turns into sweeping the kitchen floor (I am obsessive-compulsive like that. I have trouble stopping at one chore. They easily roll into two and three, etc.) Anyway, I open the backdoor to sweep out the cat litter that has been kicked out of the utility room litter box when I noticed Stray, my neutered male orange-tabby cat who would have been two (2) years old in March) happily batting at something in the back yard. Thinking nothing of it I step out side to investigate. He had a baby field mouse and it was unharmed! Awww...Stray was playing gently as he always did. No harm done. I picked up the mouse...I had an idea! I raced back in the house, leaving Stray to look for the missing mouse, and made a beeline to the bathroom. My husband was still in the shower. Hehe! Look! Ain't it cute! I squealed with a huge smile on my face. Christopher slides open the shower door and just about comes unglued right there! Why, that's...that's...where the hell did that come from? He stammered. And why aren't you dressed yet? I looked down at the pajamas I still wore. I was loading the dishwasher. I explained still holding the little mouse. Christopher is clearly getting annoyed really quick. Put that damn mouse outside were it belongs and get dressed. We are never going to make in to the bank in time! LOL. Grouch! Heaven only knew that was the last happy moment that I would have for several days to come. As we were leaving the house Stray approaches us wanting in the garage to eat. He is an outside cat via day and an garage kitty via night/winter. We have to let him in. I tell my husband. He is hungry. Lora we do not have time! Christopher barks. We are already running behind schedule! I become very angry. If my kids want to eat. They eat! To hell with being on time! Christopher unlocks the door with a huff and Stray walks through the utility room straight into the garage. Did I jsut see Stray stagger? Na! I tell myself. I am just seeing things. Had I know that would have been the last time I would see my baby walk, I would have never left his side! So we close the garage door and lock the side house door. We were off! That was around 3:15 P.M. - 3:30 P.M. We never made it to the bank. By the time we pulled into the parking lot they were locking the doors from the inside out. Christopher was livid because of the mouse and Stray. Little did he know he would come to regret that anger. We arrive back home around 5:00 P.M. to a quiet, normal-looking house. Everything seemed to be fine and in its place, afterall we were only gone roughly two (2) hours. Then I hear it. Meowing. Constant meowing. Uh-oh. I tell Christopher. Mason has another milk ring again. Only he does not. Mason rounds the corner at the sound of his name with nothing in his mouth. Okay. It is time to do a head-count then. We open all of the doors to see if anyone had been accidently locked up. Nothing. We count all ten heads in the house. Normal. Then who the hell is meowing? I turn my attention to the garage and shear panic washes over me. There is Stray trying to claw his way off on the pillow. His hide leg are completely paralyzed! He slithers across the room and bile wails up in the back of my throat. I scream and run back into the house. Completely beside myself in hysteria, I cry out for Christopher. All the while poor Stray is just holling in agony, begging for us to help him. It is 5:00 P.M. at night, Christopher is preparing to go to work (working third shift) I am nine (9) months pregnant and I cancled our emergency credit card last Friday 01-20-06! Oh, God! I was going to puke! What were we going to do? I race upstairs to find my parents. I scream/cry what I had found. I beg for money. Babbling about emergency clinic...life threating...in pain. My folks come downstairs thinking that the situation was not all that bad. HA! Mom returns from the garage white as a sheet. It is now 5:30 P.M. and something has to be done! I call Fort Branch (my veterinarian) in an off-hand chance that they would still be open. They were! I try so hard to remain calm as I explained to Kristi that my kitty had hind-leg paralysis, but had not been hit my a car. He was in the garage all day. He even walked into the garage by himself! How soon can you get here? Kristi ask. Now. Can I come now? I beg losing my composure. I hang up the phone trying to function like a normal human being in a crisis. (Not easy to do.) Christopher lines the carrying crate with pillows to support Stray's non-working hind legs and blankets to keep him warm. I keep telling myself
Re: Off topic, but why does my cat do this?
Jenn, LOL. Our Baby Mason does this! :) Only he prefers plastic milk jug rings. Late at night (or early in the morning, depending on how you look at it) he walks through the entire house, room to room, meowing to himself with this stupid ring in his mouth. Neither are any of the other cats around him nor are they interested in what he has to say! :) Me and my husband just have assumed that he likes the sound of his own voice. ??? Never figured this one out either, but it sure is CUTE! Out of all thirteen (13) kitties he is the only one who does this. Even his biological sister (from the same litter) does not behave in this odd fashion. Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know why, but it sure is cute! What a cool cat! My Snowshoe carries things in her mouth while meowing loudly, and looking around frantically like she thinks someone is going to take it from her, but she never brings the item to us, she just walks around meowing with it in her mouth. I assumed it was typical Siamese behavior, I have heard they are very quirky and talkative cats. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Sigh...
Patti, Even though we have never actually corresponded on the list before personally, I just wanted to let you know that I ALWAYS make a point to read your posts. (Been reading your FeLVTALK posts for three (3) years now.) Despite all of bitterness, burn-out, or ranting that you may do, I seriously admire you for what you have to say. You tell it like it is, without candy-coating the truth. (And although the truth may not be pretty, at least you are brave enough to speak it aloud!) You know SO much about EVERYthing that I have been trying to educate people about here locally i.e. breeder mills, spay/neuter advocacy, animal cruelty (misdemeanors that SHOULD be Class A felonies), veganism, not to mention several feline diseases/treatments, just to name a few! I wish I had the honor of knowing YOU years ago before your burn-out set in. (It happens to the best of us.) And I wish we actually had the opportunity to meet. For years now, I have been on my own with these views that not only society looks down upon, but my family as well! It is a breath of fresh air to hear you (and the other members) sharing the exact same views! I just wish there were more of us. Unfortunately, our voices are not yet loud enough to be heard, but they WILL be...some day. What you refer to a BYB (Back-Yard-Breeders) is called Hobby Breeding via the USDA when dealing with exotic Sugar Gliders. Please do not let the fancy USDA license mislead you, there is NO difference in BYB and Hobby breeding. The license just makes it legal NOT right! It is SO sad to hear (and KNOW) that there are inexperienced, incompetent and irresponsible human beings that are too lazy to work, thus resort to making a fast buck via breeding cats, dogs, exotics, horses, etc.! My mom has aggravated me for years about breeding my rescue sugar gliders due to their rarity and financial value, but ANYone lazy and stupid enough to make money off ANY innocent animal is no better than pumping out babies for the financial gain of the welfare-system! Parents making dollars off of their kids is sick, but alleged responsible pet-guardians who make money off of their PETS is even sicker! What kind of person can exploit innocent souls that way? You might as well be human trafficking i.e. mail-order-brides, child prostitution, etc. your own family member for there is NO difference! I do not apologize. You absolutely CANNOT advocate proper spay/neuter for some animals and then turn around and breed others! Not only is it hypercritical, it is immoral! So many queens and runts of the little die of birthing complications and yet their owners just stand there and let the animal suffer! What do the breeders do? They breed MORE queens to replace the ones who are worn out and sell THOSE babies to make up for the ones who died! GAG! PUKE! It is NO life for ANY animal! The poor souls who DO die get off easy. God, rest their souls! It is hell-on-earth for the ones who are fortunate to survive...if you can ever call a breeder-mill baby fortuante. Have you ever seen a queen who was physically used up from breeding? I pray that you never have to. Thank you SO much for sharing. Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, I don't ever see an end to breeding. You have these high profile dog/cat shows. The reputable (choke, choke - ) breeders, only in it for the betterment of the breed. All the $$$'s involved. Very sad. Then you have the BYB's and the millers. Very sad. No, it's not going to end in my lifetime. (I hate to be such a pessimist, BUT I've seen too much, and what I've seen, I hate.) Gosh, I wish I'd known you 2 years ago, MC. Actually, it's only a few days past the 2 year mark since our shelter acquired a total of 34 persians. One breeder busted for neglect, 21 cats seized. One person, presumed to have been a chickensh*t breeder, dumped 13 persians in the woods surrounding a shelter volunteers' house! (Yeah, those cats did real well in snow covered woods with temperatures below freezing!!) Never knew too much about the breed til then. Poor things, we lost 4 immediately, and later lost 6 more. Serious health issues that had never been addressed. Females, geriatric, that had been used as baby machines their entire lives!! What a mess! These breeders/BYBs/Millers look at this as a means of making $$$s off the flesh blood of poor, innocent creatures. With the way most laws are written, they get a slap on the hand, pay a measly fine and then proceed to set up shop somewhere again. I know only too well. I am right next door to Lancaster, Pa. and the blood-sucking Amish and their puppy mills. Grr! (It's no surprise I feel totally burnt out after all these years, yes, and a wee bit bitter.) Patti __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
Re: litterboxes
ROTFLMAO! Little dears my foot! More like little snots! :) Yep, I have a two (2) fur-kids who absolutely LOVE to piddle on plastic; especially plastic bags! It completely baffles me as to WHY they choose to pee on top of a plastic bag that is lying on the floor, but they do. So now, it is a race for the chase of the plastic bag! Once I walk though the door with Wal-Mart bags in hand, its on! I have to fight the kids for the empty bags and quickly put them away (we recycle) before ANYone can get ahold of them. My kids have trained me well! Perhaps why a cat pees on a plastic bag will always be a mystery, I do not know. I have been doing rescue work for over 20 years and have been a cat-mom for 9 and I STILL cannot explain it. Whoever discovers which ingredient (in plastic) that cats are attracted to, will be forever rich! All he/she has to do it put that mystery ingredient in a bottle and sell it and they will make millions. Just sprinkle/spray that mystery ingredient inside any/all litter boxes (kinda like Attract-A-Cat) and cats will never be tempted to pee on plastic again! Ah! That would be the day! Until then, me and my kids continue to fight over the plastic bags! LOL. Lora --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lora, Ha! My, my you did take drastic measures! When we bought the living room furniture, we also got a new futon mattress. We were smart enough to leave it covered in the plastic it came in until Thanksgiving morning. Thank goodness we did, when I went to cut the plastic off, I found a small pond of urine in the middle! Ugh! I started looking around for someone to strangle. I do remember discussing the 'errant elimination' topic once before and was surprised at how many cats seem to like going potty on plastic. Little dears. Nina __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: litterboxes
Yep, I truly feel your pain. It is for this sole purpose that we have finally learned, in our home, to have ALL of the fabric furniture professionally steamed upholstered and then have them wrapped in plastic. Once the plastic is professionally installed, slipcovers are fitted for each inidividual piece. Now when we have an inappropriate elimation/soiling accident or a territorial aggression spray issue, I simply take the slipcovers off and throw them in the washing machine. Of course this obviously meant that I absoultely had to purchase an industrial size washer and dryer. It is a godsend that we have a well-water hook-up (with a water-softener) to the house, otherwise we would be spending a fortune on monthly bills for city water/sewage. Even with purchasing a water-softener, septic tank, monthly bags of watersalt refills and biannually/annually septic tank maintenance/drainnig, we are saving a bundle in the long-run! Everything is going up, including utilities and water! At least I have found an effecient method to nearly eliminate ALL of the sofa cat-hair on a regular basis! :) Lora --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My husband calls cat poo appetizers chewy goodness. Disgusting. Ah the joys of fur parenting. While we're on the subject of poo... I just have to vent a little. After all the talk of psyching out litterbox avoidance, my cat Gypsy decided to put me in my place. I was so proud of myself for finding and having delivered a new sofa, love seat and overstuffed chair in time for the hoard of people that will be descending on our home for Thanksgiving. We just got it yesterday, haven't even arranged it the way we want yet. My husband stuck his face back in the bedroom this morning with a look that told me something was very wrong. Gypsy had not only christened the new sofa with her distinctive soft poo, but someone had urinated on the chair! Aaarrrggh! Mommy was not happy. Little s**ts wanted to make sure the new stuff smelled more like the old stuff I guess. Nina __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Dry food/Jenn~Trich
Love this info! Diagnosis Diagnosis of T foetus infection is usually quite straightforward. The organism exists in the intestine as small, motile trophozoites, and these can be detected under the microscope. For optimum results, fresh faeces should be examined, and if any mucus has been passed with the faeces this is the most likely place to find the organisms. Two other diagnostic tests are available which are both more sensitive and specific for this organism. Firstly, the organism can be cultured from faecal samples using a system developed for diagnosis in cattle. The In Pouch tm TF' test (BioMed Diagnostics, Oregon , USA ) uses a liquid culture system in a sterile plastic pouch. The other test that can be used is PCR (polymerase chain reaction) a sophisticated test that can detect the presence of the genetic material of the organism. Entire article found here: (A good reference, IMO) http://www.fabcats.org/tritrichomonas.html Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the info my vet gave to me when we discovered we had it here: Trichomonosis in cats According to Dr S. Marks of UC-Davis School of Veterinary Medicine: Tritrichomonas foetus, the primary causative agent of bovine trichomoniasis, has recently been recognized as a protozoal [intestinal] pathogen in cats. One study showed a high prevalence in cat show and cattery animals. Often misdiagnosed as Giardia, T. foetus infected cats treated with an appropriate Giardia therapy do not respond. Clinical signs of Tritrichomonas foetus include chronic or re-occurring diarrhea. Often the anus is red, swollen, and painful, and fecal incontinence is not uncommon. Most cats are usually bright, alert, and responsive, and in good body condition with a normal appetite. T. foetus can be found in cats not showing clinical signs. InPouchTF (Biomed Diagnostics, White City, Oregon)is a test developed to identify Tritrichomonas foetus in cows, but can be used in a veterinary hospital setting to test cats for the protozoa. This is the test we used to confirm Pharaoh's diagnosis. InPouch TF has shown a 90% rate of sensitivity to the protozoa, a six-fold increase over trying to diagnosis this protozoa via a microscopic examination of fecal material. Tritrichomonas foetus is not considered to be zoonotic (transmissible to people) but as it can affect cows and pigs, anyone with these animals and a cat with chronic diarrhea has cause for concern. At the time Dr. Marks wrote his presentation, no treatment options were available. By June of this summer (2005), after many drug trials had been unsuccessful, Ronidazole was showing promise in research trials. Once diagnosed with Tritrichomonas foetus, Ronidazole is the drug currently being tested for use in cats. This is an 'off-label' use of the drug and is not guaranteed to be a treatment. Dosing being used by researchers is 30-50mg/kg orally once every 12 hours for 14 days. However, research has not yet decided if this is the optimal dose. Ronidazole is produced by SIGMA Pharmaceuticals. It must be kept frozen. Currently it is a relatively reasonably priced drug - this may change in the future. It is important to know that recovered cats can remain infected. Periods of stress do seem to play a strong role in recurrence of clinical signs. The most sensitive test for Tritrichomonas foetus is a PCR of DNA extracted from feces with a 97%+ sensitivity to the protozoa. This test is only performed at the veterinary laboratory at North Carolina State University. A lima bean sized amount of feces must be placed in 5-10ml of rubbing alcohol for proper stabilization of the sample in preparation for testing. Sources Update of Feline Gastrointestinal Neoplasia, S. L. Marks, BVSc., PhD, Diplomate ACVIM (Internal Medicine, Oncology), Diplomate ACVN, lecture notes, North American Veterinary Conference Postgraduate Institute 2005 - Advances in Feline Medicine, Orlando FL. Personal notes, P. J. Yankauskas, VMD, Hyde Park VT Personal consultation, P. J. Yankauskas, VMD, Hyde Park VT Their phone number, if you need to call for more info is 802-888-7911, and you can tell them that Jennifer O'Guin referred you to them about Trich diagnosis and treatments. Thye should be able to give you (or your vet) all the needed info. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels
Non-Regenerative Anemia
Can Immuno-Regulin be used on FeLV positive cats who develop Non-Regenerative Anemia? Also, would FeLV positive cats who need a blood transfusion be putting the donor cat at risk of contracting the virus? Would the transfusion even be successful for Non-regenerative Anemics? I have heard of veterinary hospitals (including emergency clinics) literally denying a transfusion because the anemic cat was FeLV positive. Is that true? Lora __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Pregnant Rescue Work
Karen, I remember you (I think. :) You were Baby C's mom right? The entire C-naming theme? lol. Forgive me if I am incorrect. I have the whole litter box thing covered. Wink-wink! I had requested an Amniocentesis to rule out Toxoplasmosis back when I was five (5) months (or twenty (20) weeks) pregnant. My OB/GYN ordered a CMV (Cytomegalovirus) IgG IgM. The results were positive on ME for PAST exposure, but the baby's results were negative. A Toxoplasmosis IgG IgM. The results were negative for both me and the baby. Finally a Triple Alpha-fetal protein screen which was negative. The Amnio was way cool! It is a darn shame that not every woman has one (1) performed during her pregnancy. It was so easy and completely harmless to the baby! Those statistics are just there to scare women out of getting an Amnio. It was no different than getting your blood drawn in the arm. I had no complications or side effects what-so-ever. The best line of defense to any disease is early detection! The flame warning was included in my post because my last thread Massive Spraying Issue got a little out of hand when Sally absolutely insisted that I immediately contact an animal communicator regarding my dilemma. I just did not want that result to re-hatch itself on this thread. I think I may have confused the group with my TAR (Trap-Alter-Return) rescue work with my thirteen (13) kitties! lol. I do NOT do foster care, because all of my cats have contracted Feline Herpes from my beloved FeLV positive kitty, Peeper, who passed away back in 2003. LOL. So the number 13 that you all keep reading is the actual number of PERMANENT cats that will forever be in my family. LOL. Sorry if I did not properly clarify that point. But yeah. I just cannot bring myself to do anything more than TAR and vaccinations (which is privately and independently funded out of my own pocket) for fear that I will spread the Feline Herpes. As for the gliders. Well, they have a permanent and forever home with us too. LOL. Yeah, I have quite a zoo, but people tend to participate in glider-mills and I just absolutely CANNOT have it! I won't! So me and my husband rescue colonies from previous owners (who would otherwise separate and sell to the highest bidder) and have the ALL the males neutered. It is a win-win situation for everyone involved. The previous owners get a adoption fee FROM me, the gliders NEVER get separated from their bonded family, the males get immediately neutered (thus no more unwanted pregnancies) and I get the satisfaction of knowing that I took one (1) more colony off of the street. Not only did I provided a safe, loving and forever home for these exotics, but they will NEVER know what it is like to be in a breeding mill-farm! I would do the EXACT same thing for purebred cats if we just had the house space. This one and a half story cape cod only has so much living space. It is just SO HARD for me to even CONSIDER the idea of fostering, because even without the Feline Herpes, I still would not be able to do it. I get too attached to my babies and as many foster moms (and dads) can confirm, we always wonder just HOW good of pet-guardians can these applicants be! I am sure that we all know the feeling that no one can be a better cat-mom or cat-dad that us. Right?! lol. Believe me, I can relate. So yeah, I am trying to take it easy. The way I look at it is this. The fur-kids keep me in shape! :) Taking care of them, the litter boxes, aquarium, five (5) foot glider cages, etc. will help me maintain my ideal pregnancy weight and will also aid in losing it when the baby gets here! Nice huh? LOL. Another win-win situation! Thanks for the reply! Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lora, I think I remember you. Wow that's a tough personal choice. Be extra careful with litter boxes toxo is deadly to a growing baby. No flaming why would anyone flame you? If you asked me when I was in my 20's having my kids I would say no sweat, but now my best recommendation is take in a lot fewer pets in case something goes wrong and you have to lets say go on bed rest. I have one foster who does moms with litters. She is in her 6th month and needs to slow down. So she is cutting back to one or two pups instead of large dogs with large litters. If you need to talk been there done that had Belinda make the tee shirt. LOL. Email me we will talk. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Pregnant Rescue Work
Karen, I am SO glad that I was correct on the C-gang! LOL! I really try hard to remember everyone, but I understand that it is literally impossible. You rescue gliders too? Do you really?! Aww, well GOOD FOR YOU! I have been a glider-mom for ALMOST three (3) years now. I adopted my first pair back in February 2003. The suggies were a bonded male and female (brother and sister) and have never left my home since! I did not know WHAT to name the little things and as a result they got stuck with the worst names EVER! LOL. I named the female Mommy who has never had joeys in her life, so go figure and the male ended up being named Guy-Guy. I know. Terrible! LOL. But they were my first, so I am entitled to a one-time goof right? LOL. My kitties LOVE to watch the suggie too. However, I have my gliders in their own glider-room which has a door that closes and locks, so the kitties are never exposed to the gliders without my supervision. I do not want any accidental deaths occurring. As far a timing a neuter goes. Well, it is extremely trick business that can (at times) not go right at all! lol. Getting the male neutered is the easy part, it is deciding WHEN to do it and it is especially hard to accomplish AFTER the female has bore joeys. You see, a female can nurse a joey(s) and still become pregnant with a SECOND joey(s) in utro. Yes, one joey(s) OOP and a second joey(s) ip. Been there. Done that. Actually I JUST did that! LOL. I had Bailey (father) neutered on 09-19-05 and I roughly calculated that Kahlua (mother) became pregnant on or around 08-16-05 (08-16-05 to 08-31-05 is exactly sixteen (16) days gestation) and the joeys iped on 09-01-05. Therefore, if these calculations were correct the joeys could OOP as early as October the 30th (that is exactly sixty (60) days ip) or as late as 11-09-05 (that is exactly seventy (70) days ip.) And I was close. I had a new set of identical twin boys OOP on 10-31-05! Like I need MORE boys as I do another hole in the head! Grrr! I just had four (4) neuters performed in between 7-05-05 and 10-28-05 at $117.00 dollars a piece! Unfortunately, the operations do NOT come cheap like the feline spay/neuters can i.e. low-income, sliding-scale, low-cost clinics, etc. PLUS, a female sugar glider can harvest a fertilized embryo up to six (6) months AFTER conception! Therefore, she can surprise you with a pregnancy even AFTER a neuter! Nice huh? I am seriously trying to get ALL of the boys neutered before the baby comes because my OB/GYN has my delivery down as a Scheduled C-Section (due to my extensive medical history) and I am only 27! LOL. Just the way my luck runs! Anyway, getting back to your point. It is never good to separate a pregnant bonded female and male, because it causes stress (which can lead to rejection and cannibalization of the joey(s).) However, if you choose to NOT temporarily separate (in order to have the neuter properly performed) then you run the risk having more unwanted pregnancies and the cycle continues all over again. Eventually, you have to find a medium break somewhere and most the time it is the pet-guardian who has to CREATE that break, because the sugar glider do not know any better. They will breed themselves to death if you let them. For me, the risk of having more joeys outweighed the risk of stressing them out. Therefore, I have experience in temporarily separating a newly pregnant colony and everything went fine. The female did not reject or cannibalize her joeys and the male did beautifully in the neuter. They were separated for a minimum of five (5) days (long enough for the male to completely finish his post-operative pain medication) and then was reunited on the sixth day. Really not that big of a deal. Easy-easy! If you have any more questions regarding your beloved suggies please do not hesitate to give me a holler on or off the list. I would be delighted to help in any way that I can. It is ALWAYS so nice to meet another glider/cat-mom! There are WAY too many glider-moms who are anti-cat! Too sad! Keep in touch. Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep the whole c naming thing that's us. Hey I rescue gliders too!! I have a mom dad and joey right now on the website. My cats love to stay up all night and watch them!!! I heard it's not good to get dad neutered while the joey is just coming out of pouch. Too much time away even if just for the better part of the day. What do you think? Girl you have a handle on the whole thing. Everything has changed since my first in 83. They told me I had toxo but wasn't sure what that was. It came from a cat and the old tests couldn't tell the difference from past exposure or present infection. Amnio was new and not an option unless you were over 35. I think you have everything covered and I am proud to know you again. __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: Pregnant Rescue Work
Terrie, Thanks for taking the time to reply. I remember you too. You have used Patricia Schaller in the past for a few of your kitties and suggested that I contact her about the spraying, but I agree. The topic did quickly get out of hand. Yeah, my husband helps out a great deal with the kids. Years ago, we devised an animal schedule that equally divides up the workload between the kids, so we know exactly which of us is responsible for what. It is really quite an ingenious plan that is both fun and extremely effective. All the work successfully gets completed in record time. I am responsible for the gliders, but Christopher helps assist me in carrying the cages down the stairs (a task I USED to be able to perform before I became pregnant) to be tore down and washed once a month, he tends to the dogs and the horse, he feeds the kids (kitties) their dry food in the mornings while I give them their medication at night (L-Lysine, Vitamin C and Cranberry), I drain and dismantle the aquarium once a month, while he temporarily takes charge of washing, disinfecting and sanitizing all of the litter boxes on a monthly bases (again, another task I USED to be able to perform before we knew that we were expecting.) So everything is quite organized, structure and balanced in our home thanks to our teamwork, but it is the balance that concerns me the most when it comes to the baby. All of our efforts of a synchronized and harmonize home will be enormously disruptive once she gets here. All we can do that this point is hope and pray that the kids will have a smooth and safe transition. Of course, me and my husband will help ensure that the transition is as stress-free as possible for everyone involved, but unfortunately it is impossible to eliminate ALL of the possible future stress. I can just see a Herpes outbreak as soon as the baby gets here. In our house, any kind of stress and environmental change to the atmosphere ALWAYS induces the red watery wink. Once one (1) of the kitties visibly exhibit symptoms of the virus turning active, the active virus spreads like wildfire to ALL of the kids. It is such a huge hassle! :( However, we will just have to be properly prepared for any possible outbreaks and deal with the highs and lows as the come. Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No flaming why would anyone flame you? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh I remember it did get out of hand. By the way it was uncalled for. Just take care of yourself and have husband do the litter boxes. If not possible at times use disposable plastic gloves. Myself I have been there and done that as well being pregnant and having at least a dozen kitties at the time. The babies (now full grown adults) have done the same with their babies i.e. my grandchildren. Nobody yet has gotten sick from having cats. This seems to be the biggest scare factor in my rescue of Siamese cats. They are given up due to being pregnant regardless of what the cats age may be. It happens more to the senior kitties that need new homes because of it. Anyway, only you can make the choices of whats right for you and your furbabies. I wish you a happy and safe pregnancy!!! :) Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Pregnant Rescue Work
Jen, It is good to hear from you again. How is Charlie? Is he still with you? There is just something endearing about a puss in diapers right? lol. Thanks for the congrats! True. Remaining calm, cool and collected through the entire transition will help the kids to relax as well. An excellent point, since cats are so sensitive to their humans' moods ans emotions! We are enjoying EVERY minute of it! Change can be good right? LOL. Well, at least for some people. The problem is, am I one of those people?! ;) Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing to add, just congratulations on the pending babe! :) I'm sure everything will work out just fine. Just stay relaxed, let everyone know they're loved (I've no shame...I will resort to tuna as bribery for their love! ;)) LOL! Most of all, enjoy every moment with your family! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... -- ---Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Pregnant Rescue Work
Hi Nina, You were the first person to respond to my Massive Spraying Issue thread, referring me to Patricia Schaller's website. It is kinda sad in a way to be remembered as the woman who had the spray-happy cat. LOL. But it IS the truth! Does your Ursula still spray? As far as falling out with the group goes. It just felt that way. I am so relieved that this is definitely NOT the case! And yes, believe it or not, I still have Dartagnan Montague. Without re-hatching this too bad, he is now on Fluoxetine (kitty Prozac) 2mg daily. It helps, but it is by far NO cure. The new prescription was finally prescribed 07-26-05. I have to get the medication through an Apothecary and it comes in capsule form. Lora --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lora, I remember the spraying issue, yes it did get out of hand. I'm sorry you felt that we had a falling out with you! I think it just got frustrating for all of us trying to figure out what the heck was making your cat so spray happy. Sally believes strongly in AC, and she was sure that was the answer to solving your problem. We ladies can get our fur up! I'm glad to see you back. How is that fresh kitty doing? Still spraying? As far as welcoming your baby into your home, (congratulations btw!), from all you've described I'm sure household will do just fine. Keep calm and keep talking to your kitties about how they are going to have a new baby to help you take care of. They know this is your baby, just keep spreading that love of yours around, everyone will adjust, you'll see. Nina __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Pregnant Rescue Work
Kerry, I understand all too well about being at work and not having the time to read and/or reply to posts. I am a homemaker, a military wife and soon to be a stay-at-home-mom and I barely have the luxury of being on-line! So I COMPLETELY understand how busy life can get... or in my case busIER life can get! LOL. Is Levi still with you? If so, I hope he is doing well! Thank you for your well-wishes and congrats on the baby, but more importantly thank you for recognizing the amount of time, money, effort and at times hassles that comes along with ANY rescue work. It is truly a labor of love. There are as much joys as there are tears. Much appreciated! Take care. Lora --- MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lora, I'm hardly reading/posting right now due to work pressure BUT wanted to say congrats to you and your husband on the about-to-be addition to your family!! And wish you your existing family much harmony when human baby arrives! PLUS a heartfelt thank you to you (along with all the other amazing people on this list who do the same) for all the huge amount of time, effort and $$ you devote to homeless and sick animals. What you do is truly wonderful. Kerry __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Pregnant Rescue Work
Del, Thank you for your kind words and I hope that Noah gets to feeling better. We thought that Dartagnan had Stomatitis for the longest of time. Fortunately, the veterinarian concluded that he did not. He just had severe Feline Gingivitis which was maintained via extracting his four (4) back molars. Two on top (one left and one right) and two on the bottom (one left and one right.) Lora --- Del Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flames? You deserve a pat on the back and a hug! Del __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Pregnant Rescue Work
Jenn, I have seen you around especially on the Angel Wings Sanctuary thread back in June, but I believe this is the first time we have actually spoke. I agree wholeheartedly on human parents becoming paranoid about their pets when there is a human baby involved. Thankfully, I am NOT one of them. I am sorry, but I never could relate to people like that. My fur-kids are just that...kids and they are equally a member of our family the way ANY human child would be. Unfortunately, there are those few incompetent and uneducated irresponsible pet-guardians who end up choosing their human child over their fur-kids and relinquishing their pets into the custody of the local animal control or humane society. Sad. Just plain sad. Yep, I have heard from just about everyone now on the DO's and DON'Ts when it comes to infants and sleeping. LOL. That is alright though. Comes with the territory right? Everyone is just trying to help. Speaking of No-Baby Zones, that reminds me. I need to purchase some Baby Gates to close off the litter boxes. (The fur-kids can easily scale over the tops of them) but it will definitely keep the child out. Yes, my rescue work has slowed down for obvious reasons. I can barely walk anymore! LOL. It takes me FOREVER to get anything done, but it all DOES get done. Therefore, I have temporarily discontinued my TAR for the time being. Since I am the sole individual who runs the process (I do not receive any physical assistance) and with the ferals WAY too quick for me at this point in time; I figured what is the use? LOL. That is okay. My condition is only temporary and those ferals have their days numbered! Eventually, they will ALL be altered. Thank God I was not too far into my pregnancy during kitten season! I was still able to half-ass properly function! LOL! All of my kitties have been tested for Toxo. It is one (1) of the tests that is automatically ran with the Chemistry Feline Health Panel (a blood-work panel that consists of seven (7) separate tests.) I have that and an IFA ran on ALL of my kids annually. Only two (2) of my kids are positive for toxo. My oldest two, Felix age 6 years (male) and Temper age 9 years (female.) Despite the possible risks involved, I have decided NOT to break up our happy home via relocating my Felix and Temper. According to many Humane Societies and Animal Control standards, these two (2) are are WAY beyond their Generic years and would be (without a doubt) euthanized on the spot. Therefore, no. My kids are mine and they will forever stay with me...at any cost. Beside an Animo was performed and the test results were normal. Me and the baby are negative for Toxo. So, I am definitely NOT worried. To the best of my knowledge there is neither a treatment nor a cure for Feline Toxoplasmosis. Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was pregnant, one of my cats used to sleep on my big belly and in the baby cradle. After my baby was born, my cat carefully would sleep curled up beside her in the cradle. I never once had any issues between any of my cats and the baby, they all got along wonderfully. I think most people are scared the cats will hurt the baby, so they stress out, and shoo the cats away from the baby, because the HUMAN parents are paranoid. I did nothing and everything went great. The cats loved the baby and the baby didn't care one way or another about the cat sharing her bed. Babies should be laid on their sides bolstered between two rolled up towels to sleep. In this position, it is impossible for them to choke on their own spit up OR for a cat to lay on their face enough to hinder their breathing. As babies mature, they begin to pull fur on the cat if the cat tries to curl up too close. Cats learn to avoid the baby on their own, no human discouragement is required. It's really amazing what nature works out on it's own if you just leave it to be, and let it run it's own course. Litter pans do need to be put in a non-baby accessible place one baby begins to crawl or walk (obviously). As far as rescue work goes, I would avoid doing anything that would lead to you being bitten by an unknown animal, as I doubt they would be able to do the rabies treatment on a pregnant woman without harming the fetus. You should also have all the cats (and other animals) you care for tested for Toxoplasmosis and parasites, and if they have any of those things, have them treated so that handling them and their litter, bowls, and bodies is not endangering your pregnancy. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs
Re: Pregnant Rescue Work
Tonya, It has been awhile. Good to hear from you! I SO appreciated your emails! They made me laugh and laugh! The story you shared about your sister and baby Tyler is EXACTLY the same picture I see when I visualize my little girl growing up in our home! It is so amazing that you mention Tyler's and Barney's antics, because my younger sister had her first child back on February 25, 2003 (a little boy they named Jacob) and he absolutely LOVE animals! Every time they came over he would sit and squill at my kitties with a huge goofy grin on his face. When he turned two (2) and was walking, he would try and chase the kitties, tripping all the way! LOL. But he never cared. He is truly a happy child. My kids (kitties) on the other hand did not care for Jacob at all. There was NEVER any fussing, fighting or territorial aggression physically displayed with my kids towards baby Jacob. As you (and several others) have mentioned, my kids would either sit out of child's reach and just stare at him or avoided Jacob completely. It was obvious that baby Jacob was more tickled with them than they were about him! LOL. The idea that Tyler thinks he is a dog just cracked me up! I can SO relate! With so many animals in our home I can see where my little girl can become confused with her identity! LOL. All of her newborn clothes (so far) are done in pink kitties! My husband teases me that I may get away with dressing her up in kitty themed clothes for the first couple of years, but eventually she will want to dress herself and he is laying bets that she will choose to NOT be dressed as a cat! LOL. Her nursery is in all kitties too. Not the typical Hello Kitty or Disney Marie kitties either. They are overrated. Instead I had to literally piece together her accessories throughout my entire pregnancy as pink bunnies lambs and bears tend to be the standard norm. Unfortunately, not a lot of companies make kitty anything for babies and when they do it is basically for a test run to see if the item sell well. Therefore, not a lot duplicates of that particular item are manufactured. It is difficult, but fun. So anyway, I can see the possibility of my little thinking that she is a cat, having a best friend who is a cat or adopting one of the kitties as a security blanket! LOL. I can see her doing all the stuff that baby Tyler does for and to Barney! Pulling on the cat's tail and the cat patiently putting up with it, kissing the cat(s), feeding the cat(s) human baby food through the playpen or deliberately dropping it onto the floor from the highchair, playing like a cat and of course she will probably prefer the cat's toys over her own! I can even see the cats willing giving up their toys so that they can have hers in exchange! LOL! Which of course they will most likely destroy on impact! I can even see myself (or my husband) yelling the child's name, no and the cat's name, no as they conspire against me in some crazy antic that they KNOW is wrong. Like tipping over the kitchen trash-can together, the child letting the cat outside because the cat knows she will let him, or the cat deliberately dragging the very item to the child that I said she could NOT have! LOL. But yes I have to completely, without a doubt, agree that children raised with or around animals are happier babies they grow into even happier children. Children raised around animals learn at an early age not to abuse them, they eventually learn to love (or at the very least accept) animals and having fur-kids interacting with human kids helps aid the child's hand-eye movement and motor skills. Personally, I think kids who are raised around animals are smarter and develop faster then children who are not. Although there is not a veterinarian currently within our family, we also have hopes for our daughter choosing a career path in veterinary medicine. I have ALWAYS wanted to be a veterinarian, but when I got involved in rescue work, I just did not have the time and energy for both. Eventually, I had to chose. Since I could save lived now in the present, that is the choice I made. I may not be a practicing State Board licensed veterinarian, but I have enough knowledge and experience to help assist the veterinarians that I DO know and have been blessed with veterinarians who are willing to work with me. I want my daughter to pick up where I left off. Thank you SO much for sharing! Lora --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations from me as well! My sister went through her first pregnancy at 41 a little over a year ago. lol. They had 3 cats and 3 dogs at the time. (Well they still do!) She had her husband clean the litters, but other than that there have been no real issues. I hope it is the same for you. Her 'trouble boy' cat did scratch the baby bed as soon as we got it put up! (But we hid it from her husband.) lol. They did decide to keep the baby's room closed off from the cats at the beginning. If my sister or her husband were
RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens
As already mentioned via several of our members, and I have to agree, not all fungi will glow under a Wood's Black Lamp/Light. Cats CAN have skin/hair fungi infections that do NOT put off a neon yellowish or greenish glow. Just because neither you nor your vet cannot see a glow does NOT imply that the cat is fungus free. The only way to 100% rule out ANY fungus infection is via a hair CULTURE. Hair cultures are NOT the same thing as a skin/hair SCRAPPING. Furthermore, Ringworm is NOT the only fungus infection that cats can contract (although it is the most common.) Unfortunately, cats can also contract Athlete's Foot and Jock Itch, both in which are cousin fungi to Ringworm. Back in February 2005 I had firsthand knowledge as to the chaos and frustration that a ringworm outbreak can create. The veterinarian prescribed an oral medication called Fulvin a.k.a. Griseofulvin. A prescription of sixty (60) capsules cost me literally $60.00 dollars. The medication has two (2) drawbacks. One (1) it is hard on the liver (ANY anti-fungal medication is hard on the liver) and two (2) the medication MUST be given a minimum of thirty (30) days. Therefore, even if it appears that the fungus is gone, keep the cats on the meds! It takes approximately thirty (30) days (sometimes longer depending on the severity of the epidemic) for the fungi spores to die. Also, I bought Omega-3 Fish Oil 1200mg (EPA 216mg DHA 144mg) to help aid with the itchy skin and/or coat. Each of my kids got one (1) WHOLE gel-cap daily. I neither pierced the gel-cap and squirted the oil onto their food nor into their mouth. Each of my kids swallowed one (1) entire gel-cap whole EVERY day. This particular regimen was administered to thirteen (13) FeLV negative cats for OVER two (2) months. Since 02-11-05 I have had two (2) separate hair CULTURES sent to a diagnostic laboratory (samples from two (2) different cats) and have gone through hundreds of dollars on Fulvin a.k.a. Griseofulvin. The end result now virtually a full year later? Both of the cultures have came back negative! It appears that my kids have never had ringworm to begin with, but were prescribed a medication via a veterinarian as a precautionary method. A medication that can cause liver damage! (Not to mention hundreds of dollars needlessly wasted.) Now on top of completing the other eleven (11) hair cultures (for piece of mind) I need to have Complete Chemistry Feline Health Panels (blood-work) drawn up on EACH cat to obtain current liver and kidney values which will confirm if ANY damage has been done to those organs! Which means MORE money will be spent before this situation has been successfully resolved! Therefore, be extremely careful when searching for a successful treatment on ANY fungi infections! ALWAYS do a culture FIRST! Then IF the results come back positive treat with proper medication. Chronic continued use of ANY drug that is hard on an organ can render it useless and can eventually kill it. A cat without a liver WILL die. All thirteen (13) of my kids are still living and breathing! Hopefully my terrible experience can help save someone else from being misguided down the same damned and dangerous path! Good luck! Lora __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Pregnant Rescue Work
I have a question. Well, it is more of looking for some personal advice on an issue. I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list for three (3) years now, but ever since the Massive Spraying issue back in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses from my posts. It is almost as if me and the group have had a falling out. Before I get started and for clarification purposes, this post is NOT what you may think that it is. No flames please! For those that do not know me, I am a cat-mom who is happily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, ten (10) in which are strictly indoors cats only. Currently all of my kids are FeLV negative. The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we have adopted. Our house is a multi-animal home. Me and my husband have two (2) dogs, a small ten (10) gallon freshwater tank, a horse and twenty-five (25) sugar gliders. (We do sugar glider rescue work as well as feline rescue work.) ALL of my kids have been rescues via straight off of the street, animal control or human societies. I DO NOT BREED. All of my fur-kids have been spayed and/or neutered (including the exotics) at four (4) months of age. We live on six (6) acres of country land. Okay, with all of the red-tape out of the way. The reason for this post is because this particular topic has come up often in the past and I need some honest and straightforward advice. Me and my husband are expecting with our first child. I am currently six (6) months pregnant and sacrificing any of the fur-kids for our human child is completely OUT OF THE QUESTION. We are NOT going to lose ANY member of our family due to this pregnancy. However, me and my husband are completely aware that the baby will inevitably change the balance of our home's environment and/or atmosphere. Therefore, we are in need of ideas to help the kids through a smooth and safe transition i.e. playing a tape/CD that has baby cries on it so that the fur-kids can become accustomed to the sound, allowing the kids access to the baby's room so that they become familiar with the baby's smell, etc. Spraying, inappropriate elimination, territorial aggression, jealousy, rejection and avoidance are normal responses to ANY new arrival and/or addition; therefore, me and my husband expect and accept these types of behavioral outbursts. I just did not know if anyone here on the list has ever continued their rescue work while pregnant. If so, how did the transition workout for you? Did your fur-kids eventually come around to accepting the new baby or do they just call a truce? Again, this post is not intended to instigate ANY kind of argument! Just looking for some helpful and honest advice from those of you who have experience in this department. Thanks! Lora __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Skin Problem
My cat is going bald on her hind legs. Should I be concerned? Baldness, or alopecia, isn't normal in animals (with exception of certain breeds, like the Chinese Crested (hairless dog). So anytime a bald spot is noticed, your veterinarian should have a look. Extreme itchiness and the resultant licking, chewing, biting will cause hair loss (traumatic alopecia). This can be seen as blunted stubble in the affected area. But what about situations where there isn't any itching? When the skin looks normal - not red, inflamed or seemingly bothered? You still need to have it checked out. It could be a hormonal imbalance (i.e. hypothyroidism - more common in dogs), ringworm, or what is commonly known in cats as psychogenic alopecia. This is now recognized as an obsessive compulsive behavior wherein the cat, continually over-grooms an area, perhaps due to stress. Another feline baldness condition is something called Eosinophilic Granuloma Complex (ECG), and this is an allergic condition in the skin, often with accompanying scabby areas. As you can see, there are many conditions that can cause baldness with or without itching in cats and dog. Other conditions not mentioned above include parasites other than fleas (Demodex mites, Notedres mites). Also, look under Feline Endocrine Alopecia. http://www.bobmckee.com/Client%20Info/NewFiles/endocrine%20alopecia.html NOTE: Not all fungi will glow under a Wood's Black Lamp/Light. Cats CAN have skin/hair fungus infections that do NOT put off a neon yellowish or greenish glow. Just because you or your vet cannot see a glow does NOT imply that the cat is fungus free. The only way to 100% rule out ANY fungi infection is via a hair CULTURE. Hair cultures are NOT the same thing as a skin/hair SCRAPPING. Furthermore, Ringworm is NOT the only fungus infection that cats can contract (although it is the most common.) Unfortunately, cats can also contract Athlete's Foot and Jock Itch, both in which are cousin fungi to Ringworm. Lora Hi all, I have a question my FeLV+ Amber has a skin problem, she has formed two spots with no hair loss and some scaling.Does not glow so I do not suspect ringworm, any thoughts? Thanks Cherie Have a purrfect day Cherie __ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/
Re: St. Francis Medals--for ALL!
Just curious. Has everyone received their St. Francis medals? I have not seen any updates posted to the list. Just wanted to know what they looked like and how everyone chose to display them. The medals sound really neat. Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely, Erika! I'd love to send one for each cat! This list is so wonderfully modest... :) I need to let everyone know that these medals aren't *just* for people! :) If you've got cats or dogs with collars, they'd fit right on there! I've even put one on each of the urns that hold the ashes of our cats who have passed on. Seriously, I got these medals for pennies on the dollar...they're not huge or ornate or anything...they're simple and lightweight...perfect for collars or to put on chains for people! :) The next batch will actually be compliments of my Dad's church as he says, The people on this list are what St. Francis (and my church) is all about! So, everyone, please, please, please let me know if you'd like more than just a few! They're quite adorable on collars, as well! :) Also, I haven't heard from Jenn who has been coordinating part of the rescue effort at Angel Wings...does anyone have any info? Thanks! And I'm working on transcribing the prayer...I may have to give my Dad a call as I've run into a problem reading his handwriting. :) He could have been a physician. Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: St. Francis Medals--for ALL!
Terrie, Thanks for posting and letting me know since no one else has. Much appreiated. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, not yet still waiting for them. I look forward to seeing them! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious. Has everyone received their St. Francis medals? I have not seen any updates posted to the list. Just wanted to know what they looked like and how everyone chose to display them. The medals sound really neat. Lora __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: New cat litter will detect illness in cats
Although I know that clay based cat litters are not the most healthiest products in the world, they tend to be the most economical. I prefer Tidy Cats Scoop: Multiple Cats. This particular brand comes in three (3) different formulas: Immediate Odor Control (Blue Label), Long Lasting Odor Control (Red Label), and Anti-Bacteria (Green Label.) I ALWAYS purchase the 35 lbs (with 3 lbs. free) yellow buckets for a total of 38 lbs. for $9.99! Plus, I ALWAYS redeem the $1.00 dollar off any Tiny Cats product manufacturer's coupon with every purchase. Therefore, I end up paying $8.99 for a 38 lbs bucket of cat litter. Tidy Cats is economical and considered middle-grade cat litter. It is the lowest clay silica dust cat litter, scoopable, available in a variety of formulas, reasonably priced and you get more your money! Try getting that amount for that price with any other cat litter product. It won't happen and I have literally tried them ALL i.e. Fresh Step, Exquisi Cat: Scoop Premium Cat Litter Fresh Scent (a Petsmart brand), Litter Clean (a Sam's Club brand), Crystal Clear Litter Pearls (by: Harvest Ventures), Feline Pine, Arm Hammer, Carefresh (paper pet bedding), Swheat Scoop and World's Best Cat Litter, just to name a few. The only two (2) products that I feel are better than Tidy Cats is of course Swheat Scoop and World's Best IF you can afford to pay their expensive price tags. Been using Tidy Cats for twenty-six (26) years now and never once did I ever have a problem with it. I love it and my kids absolutely will NOT use anything else! Just wanted to share... __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
Re: OT: New cat litter will detect illness in cats
Both the http://www.petecology.com and http://www.scooplite.com/index.shtml websites only stated that this product detects FLUTD. I did not see any information pertaining to diabetes or pregnancy. Where is the diabetes/pregnancy info located? --- tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's something odd: Pet Ecology is to release a new cat litter that will detect urinary tract infections, diabetes and pregnancy in cats. It's called SCOOP-lite. www.petecology.com for more info. __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
