Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
I've had a bed pisser, too - she was being cornered in the litter box. Suggestion: If there's a hood on the box, remove it and to keep litter boxes smelling clean, after removing poop pee (by gently shaking litter to one side or another) and removing all the wet sand, sprinkle with baking soda! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very frightened and hiding. Never offers to rush the door. Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat. He is having some difficulties adjusting. The Feliway spray helps, but is very expensive. Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk). We're going to the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection. I hope it is not behavioral, because then I'm stumped. Not wealthy and can't let the cat ruin what furniture I do have. I think the cold turkey thing is the way. In my experience, time and attention tame them. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I agree. My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside, but he was eventually fine. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that they don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't - but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an FeLV 'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. I don't let out my kitties, but Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to almost house cat status. He has the sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some evenings. When out, he was staying
Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
If you get a black light, you'd be able to tell if it's pee - I wonder, though, if it doesn't identify all bodily fluids, including saliva, the same way. Worth checking into - I never thought of this before. They use those black lights in forensics, and it just might do other fluids than urine. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very frightened and hiding. Never offers to rush the door. Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat. He is having some difficulties adjusting. The Feliway spray helps, but is very expensive. Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk). We're going to the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection. I hope it is not behavioral, because then I'm stumped. Not wealthy and can't let the cat ruin what furniture I do have. I think the cold turkey thing is the way. In my experience, time and attention tame them. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I agree. My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside, but he was eventually fine. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary tract problems. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
I would skip the black light as it will show anything organic (spit and urine and vomit). If it doesn't smell, it isn't urine. Trust me. You would have no question if it's urine. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several
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Will also show laundry soap (as I learned when I had a ringworm kitty)LOL Christiane Biagi Volunteer-Friends of the Animal Shelter (FOAS) 914-720-6888 ti...@mindspring.com -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie I would skip the black light as it will show anything organic (spit and urine and vomit). If it doesn't smell, it isn't urine. Trust me. You would have no question if it's urine. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk
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I didn't know this and stand corrected. Thanks, Gloria, for this info. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary tract problems. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has
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Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very frightened and hiding. Never offers to rush the door. Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat. He is having some difficulties adjusting. The Feliway spray helps, but is very expensive. Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk). We're going to the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection. I hope it is not behavioral, because then I'm stumped. Not wealthy and can't let the cat ruin what furniture I do have. I think the cold turkey thing is the way. In my experience, time and attention tame them. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I agree. My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside, but he was eventually fine. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that they don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't - but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an FeLV 'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. I don't let out my kitties, but Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to almost house cat status. He has the sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some evenings. When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days has started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were planning on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the time to break the news to himit's not safe for you to be out at all without your mom and dad. Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this point, we have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't trap him, couldn't handle him. Now
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Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very frightened and hiding. Never offers to rush the door. Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat. He is having some difficulties adjusting. The Feliway spray helps, but is very expensive. Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk). We're going to the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection. I hope it is not behavioral, because then I'm stumped. Not wealthy and can't let the cat ruin what furniture I do have. I think the cold turkey thing is the way. In my experience, time and attention tame them. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I agree. My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside, but he was eventually fine. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that they don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't - but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Tuesday, October
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Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very frightened and hiding. Never offers to rush the door. Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat. He is having some difficulties adjusting. The Feliway spray helps, but is very expensive. Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk). We're going to the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection. I hope it is not behavioral, because then I'm stumped. Not wealthy and can't let the cat ruin what furniture I do have. I think the cold turkey thing is the way. In my experience, time and attention tame them. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I agree. My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside, but he was eventually fine. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie
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Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very frightened and hiding. Never offers to rush the door. Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat. He is having some difficulties adjusting. The Feliway spray helps, but is very expensive. Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk). We're going to the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection. I hope it is not behavioral, because then I'm stumped. Not wealthy and can't let the cat ruin what furniture I do have. I think the cold turkey thing is the way. In my experience, time
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Check out www.catinfo.org for her analysis. It had too much dust for me (we have cats with asthma and allergies) and my boys ate it! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under
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Excellent web site, Laurie -- thanks for sending it along. I learned a lot! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Check out www.catinfo.org for her analysis. It had too much dust for me (we have cats with asthma and allergies) and my boys ate it! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM
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Ditto Bonnie's comment Laurie.I think I may have figured out why my little one has suddenly decided the bathtub is preferred over the litter box for urination. Good stuff to know! Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Excellent web site, Laurie -- thanks for sending it along. I learned a lot! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Check out www.catinfo.org for her analysis. It had too much dust for me (we have cats with asthma and allergies) and my boys ate it! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't
