I didn't know this and stand corrected. Thanks, Gloria, for this info.

"Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-----Original Message-----
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary
tract problems. 

Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, "Bonnie Hogue" <ho...@sonic.net> wrote:

> The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night.
I put my hand on it and it didn't smell.  That's what throws me.  The black
light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with!
> I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent
hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she
dearly loves her Lucky.  She said, "Yes, he slobbers a lot."  So, maybe that
is the answer!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Natalie" <at...@optonline.net>
> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
> 
> 
>> Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I
used
>> to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with drool....if the
>> drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
>> 
>> Laurie
>> Why don't you guys like WB cat litter?  Just curious.  I've tried many
types
>> 
>> and find it pretty good.  I will look up Dr. Elsey's.
>> Lucky's teeth look good.  He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're
>> having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble.  I thought,
"Wow,
>> I bet I could brush this cat's teeth."  Something I would never get away
>> with on my other cats.
>> Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright.
>> I'm hoping for drool vs. pee!
>> Thanks for your insights.
>> ~Bonnie
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurieskatz" <lauriesk...@mchsi.com>
>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
>> 
>> 
>>> Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked
>>> his
>>> teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it
is
>>> drool.
>>> The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw.
>>> She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats.
>>> L
>>> 
>>> "Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
>>> untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
>>> them
>>> of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
>>> yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
>>> your
>>> greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the
traces
>>> of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
>>> us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
>>> 
>>> "Think like the
>>> cat and you will have your answer!" -- I like that!
>>> 
>>> This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink
>>> much.  The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool.
>>> Lucky
>>> lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league
>>> drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.
I
>>> see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the
bed
>>> just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most
>>> expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff.  I scoop his box daily.
>>> But
>>> I might need to change the litter more.
>>> Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the
mattress,
>>> wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going
on.
>>> Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurieskatz" <lauriesk...@mchsi.com>
>>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the
litter
>>>> box or an aversion to the box or litter.
>>>> Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not
medical.
>>>> It
>>>> is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions.
>>>> I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where
>>>> she
>>>> had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats
stalks
>>>> her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like
>>>> something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like
the
>>>> cat and you will have your answer!
>>>> L
>>>> 
>>>> "Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
>>>> untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
>>>> them
>>>> of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
>>>> yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
>>>> your
>>>> greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the
>>>> traces
>>>> of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
>>>> us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM
>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
>>>> 
>>>> My experience:
>>>> Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being "indoor only."  She will
occasionally
>>>> sneak out, only to go directly under the deck.  Some adventure!  After
15
>>>> min. she's ready to come in.  She's 14 yrs. old now.
>>>> 
>>>> Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only.  He's
>>>> never
>>>> offered to sneak out.
>>>> 
>>>> Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the
>>>> last
>>>> 
>>>> one caught.  She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she
came
>>>> home.  I think she was just very frightened and hiding.  Never offers
to
>>>> rush the door.
>>>> 
>>>> Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat.  He is
>>>> having
>>>> 
>>>> some difficulties adjusting.  The Feliway spray helps, but is very
>>>> expensive.  Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk).  We're going
to
>>>> the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection.  I hope it is not
>>>> behavioral, because then I'm stumped.  Not wealthy and can't let the
cat
>>>> ruin what furniture I do have.
>>>> 
>>>> I think the cold turkey thing is the way.  In my experience, time and
>>>> attention tame them.
>>>> ~Bonnie
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" <create_me_...@yahoo.com>
>>>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I agree.
>>>>> My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been
>>>>> inside
>>>> 
>>>>> for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one
>>>>> former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to
>>>>> being
>>>> 
>>>>> inside, but he was eventually fine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Beth
>>>>> Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Natalie <at...@optonline.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
>>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now
>>>>> for
>>>>> cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted
>>>>> abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even
get
>>>>> near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are
the
>>>>> one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that
>>>>> they
>>>>> don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs
>>>>> of
>>>>> experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started
our
>>>>> rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some
>>>>> don't -
>>>>> but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they
always
>>>>> accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>>>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Emeraldkittee
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM
>>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an
>>>>> FeLV
>>>>> 'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. I don't let out my kitties,
but
>>>>> Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to "almost house cat" status. He
has
>>>>> the
>>>>> sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some
>>>>> evenings. When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days
>>>>> has
>>>>> started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the
>>>>> street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were
>>>>> planning
>>>>> on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the
>>>>> time
>>>>> to
>>>>> break the news to him....it's not safe for you to be out at all
without
>>>>> your
>>>>> mom and dad.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this
>>>>> point,
>>>>> we
>>>>> have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't
trap
>>>>> him,
>>>>> couldn't handle him. Now he comes when he's called. I want to make the
>>>>> leap now for peace of mind and his safety, and now that I can handle
him
>>>>> (picking up, cuddling) it seems like the right time - I don't want to
>>>>> stress
>>>>> him more - he does sometimes get upset being cooped up. Should we just
>>>>> toughen up and keep him in all the time, except when he is with us?
>>>>> 
>>>>> He does get lonely and paws at the door to be let out if he's alone
too
>>>>> long, and I don't want him to get depressed. Adding another FeLV kitty
>>>>> would not be the best financial move, given the whole clan we have
with
>>>>> various ailments. I also wonder if another FeLV could make him worse
>>>>> off,
>>>>> if that new kitty had a more serious 'version' of FeLV. Whimsy for now
>>>>> has
>>>>> been asymptomic, and is around 2 yrs 3 mos old. I hope he's one of the
>>>>> ones
>>>>> that can sustain health for a long time. I also don't know how he'd
act
>>>>> around another kitty.
>>>>> 
>>>>> so, in summary -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) is forcing him to be inside only the best thing to do?
>>>>> 2) any ideas on how to make the transition emotionally easier for him?
>>>>> 
>>>>> thank you,
>>>>> Shannon and Whimsy
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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