Ditto Bonnie's comment Laurie.....I think I may have figured out why my little one has suddenly decided the bathtub is preferred over the litter box for urination. Good stuff to know!
Sara -----Original Message----- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Excellent web site, Laurie -- thanks for sending it along. I learned a lot! ~Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurieskatz" <lauriesk...@mchsi.com> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie > Check out www.catinfo.org for her analysis. > It had too much dust for me (we have cats with asthma and allergies) and > my > boys ate it! > L > > "Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy > untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive > them > of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride > yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with > your > greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces > of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of > us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:41 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie > > Laurie > Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many > types > > and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. > Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're > having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, > "Wow, > I bet I could brush this cat's teeth." Something I would never get away > with on my other cats. > Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. > I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! > Thanks for your insights. > ~Bonnie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurieskatz" <lauriesk...@mchsi.com> > To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE > > >> Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked >> his >> teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is >> drool. >> The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. >> She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. >> L >> >> "Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy >> untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive >> them >> of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride >> yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with >> your >> greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the >> traces >> of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of >> us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE >> >> "Think like the >> cat and you will have your answer!" -- I like that! >> >> This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink >> much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. >> Lucky >> lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league >> drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I >> see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed >> just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most >> expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. >> But >> I might need to change the litter more. >> Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the >> mattress, >> wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. >> Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Laurieskatz" <lauriesk...@mchsi.com> >> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE >> >> >>> Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the >>> litter >>> box or an aversion to the box or litter. >>> Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. >>> It >>> is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. >>> I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where >>> she >>> had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats >>> stalks >>> her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like >>> something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like >>> the >>> cat and you will have your answer! >>> L >>> >>> "Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy >>> untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive >>> them >>> of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride >>> yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with >>> your >>> greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the >>> traces >>> of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of >>> us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? >>> >>> My experience: >>> Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being "indoor only." She will >>> occasionally >>> sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After >>> 15 >>> min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. >>> >>> Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's >>> never >>> offered to sneak out. >>> >>> Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the >>> last >>> >>> one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she >>> came >>> home. I think she was just very frightened and hiding. Never offers to >>> rush the door. >>> >>> Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat. He is >>> having >>> >>> some difficulties adjusting. The Feliway spray helps, but is very >>> expensive. Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk). We're going >>> to >>> the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection. I hope it is not >>> behavioral, because then I'm stumped. Not wealthy and can't let the cat >>> ruin what furniture I do have. >>> >>> I think the cold turkey thing is the way. In my experience, time and >>> attention tame them. >>> ~Bonnie >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Beth" <create_me_...@yahoo.com> >>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? >>> >>> >>>>I agree. >>>> My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been >>>> inside >>> >>>> for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one >>>> former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to >>>> being >>> >>>> inside, but he was eventually fine. >>>> >>>> Beth >>>> Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org >>>> >>>> --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Natalie <at...@optonline.net> >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM >>>> >>>> I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now >>>> for >>>> cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted >>>> abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get >>>> near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are >>>> the >>>> one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that >>>> they >>>> don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs >>>> of >>>> experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started >>>> our >>>> rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some >>>> don't - >>>> but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they >>>> always >>>> accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? >>>> >>>> >>>> I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an >>>> FeLV >>>> 'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. I don't let out my kitties, but >>>> Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to "almost house cat" status. He has >>>> the >>>> sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some >>>> evenings. When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days >>>> has >>>> started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the >>>> street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were >>>> planning >>>> on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the >>>> time >>>> to >>>> break the news to him....it's not safe for you to be out at all without >>>> your >>>> mom and dad. >>>> >>>> Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this >>>> point, >>>> we >>>> have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't trap >>>> him, >>>> couldn't handle him. Now he comes when he's called. I want to make the >>>> leap now for peace of mind and his safety, and now that I can handle >>>> him >>>> (picking up, cuddling) it seems like the right time - I don't want to >>>> stress >>>> him more - he does sometimes get upset being cooped up. Should we just >>>> toughen up and keep him in all the time, except when he is with us? >>>> >>>> He does get lonely and paws at the door to be let out if he's alone too >>>> long, and I don't want him to get depressed. Adding another FeLV kitty >>>> would not be the best financial move, given the whole clan we have with >>>> various ailments. I also wonder if another FeLV could make him worse >>>> off, >>>> if that new kitty had a more serious 'version' of FeLV. Whimsy for now >>>> has >>>> been asymptomic, and is around 2 yrs 3 mos old. I hope he's one of the >>>> ones >>>> that can sustain health for a long time. I also don't know how he'd act >>>> around another kitty. >>>> >>>> so, in summary - >>>> >>>> 1) is forcing him to be inside only the best thing to do? >>>> 2) any ideas on how to make the transition emotionally easier for him? >>>> >>>> thank you, >>>> Shannon and Whimsy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __________ NOD32 5549 (20101020) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
