Laurie
Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, "Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth." Something I would never get away with on my other cats.
Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright.
I'm hoping for drool vs. pee!
Thanks for your insights.
~Bonnie
----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurieskatz" <lauriesk...@mchsi.com>
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE


Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his
teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is
drool.
The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw.
She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats.
L

"Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-----Original Message-----
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE

"Think like the
cat and you will have your answer!" -- I like that!

This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink
much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky
lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league
drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.  I
see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed
just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most
expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But
I might need to change the litter more.
Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress,
wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on.
Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!

----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurieskatz" <lauriesk...@mchsi.com>
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE


Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter
box or an aversion to the box or litter.
Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical.
It
is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions.
I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she
had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks
her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like
something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the
cat and you will have your answer!
L

"Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-----Original Message-----
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

My experience:
Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being "indoor only."  She will occasionally
sneak out, only to go directly under the deck.  Some adventure!  After 15
min. she's ready to come in.  She's 14 yrs. old now.

Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never
offered to sneak out.

Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the
last

one caught.  She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came
home.  I think she was just very frightened and hiding.  Never offers to
rush the door.

Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat.  He is
having

some difficulties adjusting.  The Feliway spray helps, but is very
expensive.  Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk).  We're going to
the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection.  I hope it is not
behavioral, because then I'm stumped.  Not wealthy and can't let the cat
ruin what furniture I do have.

I think the cold turkey thing is the way.  In my experience, time and
attention tame them.
~Bonnie
----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" <create_me_...@yahoo.com>
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?


I agree.
My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been
inside

for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one
former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to
being

inside, but he was eventually fine.

Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

--- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote:

From: Natalie <at...@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM

I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now
for
cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted
abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get
near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the
one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that
they
don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of
experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our
rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't -
but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always
accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie

-----Original Message-----
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?


I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an
FeLV
'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. I don't let out my kitties, but
Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to "almost house cat" status. He has
the
sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some
evenings. When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days has
started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the
street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were
planning
on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the time
to
break the news to him....it's not safe for you to be out at all without
your
mom and dad.

Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this point,
we
have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't trap
him,
couldn't handle him. Now he comes when he's called. I want to make the
leap now for peace of mind and his safety, and now that I can handle him
(picking up, cuddling) it seems like the right time - I don't want to
stress
him more - he does sometimes get upset being cooped up. Should we just
toughen up and keep him in all the time, except when he is with us?

He does get lonely and paws at the door to be let out if he's alone too
long, and I don't want him to get depressed. Adding another FeLV kitty
would not be the best financial move, given the whole clan we have with
various ailments. I also wonder if another FeLV could make him worse off,
if that new kitty had a more serious 'version' of FeLV. Whimsy for now
has
been asymptomic, and is around 2 yrs 3 mos old. I hope he's one of the
ones
that can sustain health for a long time. I also don't know how he'd act
around another kitty.

so, in summary -

1) is forcing him to be inside only the best thing to do?
2) any ideas on how to make the transition emotionally easier for him?

thank you,
Shannon and Whimsy





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