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Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:) If we have the past 4 yours as the next 4 years, there will be a mass revolt. Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country, the division of our country, we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any worse. That is my 2 cents! Now , back to our Felv + kitties. I am fairly new to this group and joined because of losing my cat, Prancer. He lived for 9+ years, a very healthy life. Then bang, like a whirlwind, we lost him. So my two questions to this group is the following: How many of you have a Felv cat that is 9 + years old and extremely healthy? Have any you used Interferon for your cat? The reason for the above questions is because my Vet ( Great Vet!!) A Father /Son team both informed me that they have never seen a cat with Felv live as long as Prancer and be in such great health. Prancer was on Interferon off and on for 4-5 years. I swear by it! And it is fairly inexpensive.. $26 for a bottle. Looking forward to your feedback! Thanks! Best Regards, Lisa -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [BULK] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 15, Issue 28 Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: FW: President (dlg...@windstream.net) 2. Re: Bow Hunting (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: Declaw (dlg...@windstream.net) 4. Re: for Lee (dlg...@windstream.net) 5. Re: Flea Products (Joslin Potter) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:26:39 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: President Message-ID: 20121009122639.2JGQ3.48461.root@pamxwww04-z01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Problem is that they have all lost sense of reality. They have no understanding of what it means to be middle class or poor. They have all been privileged tooo long Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree that neither candidate can make animal rights/welfare a major issue in this election and I also agree that the economy is the major issue that impacts our rescues and other people's companion animals the most.? Then I look at the incumbent and see a man who was trussed up like a chicken about to go into the rotisserie and I see who did the trussing up, the Republican Senate.? I look at who started the sub-prime mortgage mess that led to so many people losing their homes and I see a Republican President allowing banks and stock brokers and CEO's of investment companies to have free rein to grab the money and run.? I see an ineffectual congress trying to get a fair tax program wherein people earning over a quarter of a million dollars a? year would pay their fair share of taxes to run the country.? Then I see Republicans putting up road blocks by saying that businesses would have to shut down if taxes were raised.? Who the heck ever mentioned businesses?? The problem is INDIVIDUALS who are rolling in money. I see Republicans coming in with smoke and mirrors and clouding the issue, confusing people into thinking that the tax hike would be on businesses.? I see a ridiculous-on-both sides health care plan with over a thousand pages of gibberish regulations.? What's wrong with just extending Medicare and Medicaid to everyone?? What's the problem with not re-inventing the wheel and adopting the Canadian health care model?? Then my friends tell me that we need a business man with a good sense of the economy to run the country.? And I say, these are the same people who ran the country off a cliff for 8 years.? I don't think I want them in the drivers seat again.? Just my opinion. ? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:29 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: President Actually very simple:? Romney?s dog on top of the car and Obama?s dog inside the car. ? From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 1:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President ? Without endorsing either candidate here's some
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Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact that his predecessor did, and the new person is from that same party and has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover from, and that was with Congress more or less working together. Diane R. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Conner Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] President Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:) If we have the past 4 yours as the next 4 years, there will be a mass revolt. Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country, the division of our country, we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any worse. That is my 2 cents! Now , back to our Felv + kitties. I am fairly new to this group and joined because of losing my cat, Prancer. He lived for 9+ years, a very healthy life. Then bang, like a whirlwind, we lost him. So my two questions to this group is the following: How many of you have a Felv cat that is 9 + years old and extremely healthy? Have any you used Interferon for your cat? The reason for the above questions is because my Vet ( Great Vet!!) A Father /Son team both informed me that they have never seen a cat with Felv live as long as Prancer and be in such great health. Prancer was on Interferon off and on for 4-5 years. I swear by it! And it is fairly inexpensive.. $26 for a bottle. Looking forward to your feedback! Thanks! Best Regards, Lisa -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [BULK] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 15, Issue 28 Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: FW: President (dlg...@windstream.net) 2. Re: Bow Hunting (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: Declaw (dlg...@windstream.net) 4. Re: for Lee (dlg...@windstream.net) 5. Re: Flea Products (Joslin Potter) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:26:39 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: President Message-ID: 20121009122639.2JGQ3.48461.root@pamxwww04-z01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Problem is that they have all lost sense of reality. They have no understanding of what it means to be middle class or poor. They have all been privileged tooo long Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree that neither candidate can make animal rights/welfare a major issue in this election and I also agree that the economy is the major issue that impacts our rescues and other people's companion animals the most.? Then I look at the incumbent and see a man who was trussed up like a chicken about to go into the rotisserie and I see who did the trussing up, the Republican Senate.? I look at who started the sub-prime mortgage mess that led to so many people losing their homes and I see a Republican President allowing banks and stock brokers and CEO's of investment companies to have free rein to grab the money and run.? I see an ineffectual congress trying to get a fair tax program wherein people earning over a quarter of a million dollars a? year would pay their fair share of taxes to run the country.? Then I see Republicans putting up road blocks by saying that businesses would have to shut down if taxes were raised.? Who the heck ever mentioned businesses?? The problem is INDIVIDUALS who are rolling in money. I see Republicans coming in with smoke and mirrors and clouding the issue, confusing people into thinking that the tax hike would be on businesses.? I see a ridiculous-on-both sides health care plan with over a thousand pages of gibberish regulations.? What's wrong with just extending Medicare and Medicaid to everyone?? What's the problem with not re-inventing the wheel and adopting the Canadian health care model?? Then my friends tell me that we need a business man with a good sense of the economy to run the country.? And I say, these are the same people who ran the country off a cliff for 8 years.? I don't think I want them in the drivers seat again.? Just my
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Not really, you can always find out what's true or not: All you have to do is check on either www.snopes.com (on any floating around rumors, even silly ones), or www.factcheck.org - political, lots already to choose from, and if you don't see what you need, write in the topic on top right, and search. Natalie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Problem is that there are so many rumors floating around in print and cyber space that it makes it hard to discren the truth. Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: We probably should not. But it is in fact true, although it got taken off the table fairly early when the Dems realized it would never fly in that political atmosphere. So what we have is a slight improvement on the Republican health care plan. Diane R. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list. - Original Message - From: Lorrie mailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President It is true. On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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And for any kind of info, I always try to go to the original links to read the stuff for myself. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 9:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Importance: High Not really, you can always find out what's true or not: All you have to do is check on either www.snopes.com (on any floating around rumors, even silly ones), or www.factcheck.org - political, lots already to choose from, and if you don't see what you need, write in the topic on top right, and search. Natalie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Problem is that there are so many rumors floating around in print and cyber space that it makes it hard to discren the truth. Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: We probably should not. But it is in fact true, although it got taken off the table fairly early when the Dems realized it would never fly in that political atmosphere. So what we have is a slight improvement on the Republican health care plan. Diane R. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list. - Original Message - From: Lorrie mailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President It is true. On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yep, both candidates are politicians and that already makes them suspect. It seems time spent in a government leadership position tends to have a negative effect on all of them. Plus most of what we hear about them and their policies is spin and the truth never fully comes out. Hard to make a decision based on half truths and sound bites. Sometimes it's like throwing darts in the dark. I'm not an economist so even if I had all the details of their plans I wouldn't understand it fully. I'm with you, sometimes you just choose the lesser of two evils and hope for the best. We vote and then we come home and take care of our wonderful furry children and enjoy their simplicity. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] President Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012 3:09 pm Thanks, Maureen. That was well stated you made very valid points. Thanks for your opinion :). By the way, I don't care for either candidate. All politicians lie I feel like I have to vote for the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. Thanks again, Maureen! L Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:52:28 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Oh, sorry I haven't been involved with the list and FeLV kitties in a bit. I've lost several cats this year and haven't felt like dealing with more sad stories. A couple of those cats I lost were strays that didn't live with me but it still broke my heart to lose them. The last one I lost was a two year old that lived with me. He was one of my special fur babies. I didn't lose him to FeLV though. It was cardiomyopathy and he went quicker than my FeLV kitties. No way to save him because there were no symptoms until it was too late. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] President Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012 3:09 pm Thanks, Maureen. That was well stated you made very valid points. Thanks for your opinion :). By the way, I don't care for either candidate. All politicians lie I feel like I have to vote for the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. Thanks again, Maureen! L Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:52:28 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list. - Original Message - From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President It is true. On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I've never been a list moderator or been a position to direct anything except to try to direct a bunch of cats to use the litter boxes. However, let me just add a bit of wisdom or non-wisdom, however you want to view it. Discussing politics and religion usually causes minor skirmishes and major wars on any list or even in a group around the dinner table. We all have opinions. If the opinions are about food, clothing, the color of the freshly painted house down the street, why the neighbor would ever buy a Chihuahua/Great Dane mix dog or anything but religion and politics, we state our opinion, have a chuckle sometimes, compliment each other for being able to put a few words together in a sentence and go on with the day. But just start a thread in a group about politics in an election year and all h*** breaks loose. Even if half the list is in agreement that one or another candidate is a total screw-up, the other half of the list goes bananas and defends their total screw-up to the last flaming word. Unfortunately this is because most people don't use logic and research to pick a candidate. So what you get is pure emotion. Other people know deep inside that they are supporting someone who isn't exactly wonderful but they are not going to vote for that OTHER PARTY because mom, dad, grandma, granddad never voted for that PARTY. It is my opinion that most elections are based on who can sell the product better and the prejudice of the voters for or against the actual person. I don't mean color or ethnic group although that also comes into the mix. What I mean is that no one even goes to check out the facts. Like we are now having a problem with whether Romney strapped his dog carrier to the top of his car. Or in the past, whether Mr. Obama was a citizen of the United States, or whether he was a secret Muslim. These are all smoke screens to keep people from thinking about real issues, like the price of food constantly going up, how much money the oil companies are actually making when they raise the price of gas every time someone mentions Iran or Iraq or any other issue important to our daily lives. If I spend an hour doing a search on how many bills were passed by the candidates that benefited me or took away something for me, I would do much better as an informed voter than if I spent my time reading about Romney's dog or Obama's birth certificate. This, I think, is why we get angry with someone who has an opinion that does not match ours. We are not really solidly informed before we take the opinion in the first place. Like standing on the edge of a cliff, afraid that someone will push us off and lying to ourselves that if we scream loud and long enough, we won't lose our balance. Maybe we should just stick to cats and trade information on how to make their lives better and longer. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list. - Original Message - From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President It is true. On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 doses. Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats. Since I have a lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco. I can treat 42 cats. It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat. However, if you don't have a quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack. I think it's about $32. Each tube treats 7 cats. I think another Yahoo list, feral_c...@yahoogroups.com has the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the Large Dog size. Join and look in Files. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I have a cat question: I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's expensive. I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy. Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months. All the cats get the drops. Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop alternatives? The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't even get the drops every month, I have to space it out. I saw on Amazon.com that there are other Advantage drops, one of which includes cats rabbits and it is a bit cheaper, packaged for Europe...has anyone tried it? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I've never been a list moderator or been a position to direct anything except to try to direct a bunch of cats to use the litter boxes. However, let me just add a bit of wisdom or non-wisdom, however you want to view it. Discussing politics and religion usually causes minor skirmishes and major wars on any list or even in a group around the dinner table. We all have opinions. If the opinions are about food, clothing, the color of the freshly painted house down the street, why the neighbor would ever buy a Chihuahua/Great Dane mix dog or anything but religion and politics, we state our opinion, have a chuckle sometimes, compliment each other for being able to put a few words together in a sentence and go on with the day. But just start a thread in a group about politics in an election year and all h*** breaks loose. Even if half the list is in agreement that one or another candidate is a total screw-up, the other half of the list goes bananas and defends their total screw-up to the last flaming word. Unfortunately this is because most people don't use logic and research to pick a candidate. So what you get is pure emotion. Other people know deep inside that they are supporting someone who isn't exactly wonderful but they are not going to vote for that OTHER PARTY because mom, dad, grandma, granddad never voted for that PARTY. It is my opinion that most elections are based on who can sell the product better and the prejudice of the voters for or against the actual person. I don't mean color or ethnic group although that also comes into the mix. What I mean is that no one even goes to check out the facts. Like we are now having a problem with whether Romney strapped his dog carrier to the top of his car. Or in the past, whether Mr. Obama was a citizen of the United States, or whether he was a secret Muslim. These are all smoke screens to keep people from thinking about real issues, like the price of food constantly going up, how much money the oil companies are actually making when they raise the price of gas every time someone mentions Iran or Iraq or any other issue important to our daily lives. If I spend an hour doing a search on how many bills were passed by the candidates that benefited me or took away something for me, I would do much better as an informed voter than if I spent my time reading about Romney's dog or Obama's birth certificate. This, I think, is why we get angry with someone who has an opinion that does not match ours. We are not really solidly informed before we take the opinion in the first place. Like standing on the edge of a cliff, afraid that someone will push us off and lying to ourselves that if we scream loud and long enough, we won't lose our balance. Maybe we should just stick to cats and trade information on how to make their lives better and longer. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list. - Original Message - From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President It is true
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All very valid points. Maybe I am one of those weird folks who just doesn't get angry or upset if someone votes a different way. I guess that is why I always thought it was odd that people get so mad about politics or religion, cause I just don't care one way or the other ;) Also, any suggestions on making SuzieQ's last days comfortable (I posted about her yesterday, 2-3 year old, cancer, no cure, caused from exposure to FeLuk even though she was able to shed the virus, etc.) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 09:16:13 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I've never been a list moderator or been a position to direct anything except to try to direct a bunch of cats to use the litter boxes. However, let me just add a bit of wisdom or non-wisdom, however you want to view it. Discussing politics and religion usually causes minor skirmishes and major wars on any list or even in a group around the dinner table. We all have opinions. If the opinions are about food, clothing, the color of the freshly painted house down the street, why the neighbor would ever buy a Chihuahua/Great Dane mix dog or anything but religion and politics, we state our opinion, have a chuckle sometimes, compliment each other for being able to put a few words together in a sentence and go on with the day. But just start a thread in a group about politics in an election year and all h*** breaks loose. Even if half the list is in agreement that one or another candidate is a total screw-up, the other half of the list goes bananas and defends their total screw-up to the last flaming word. Unfortunately this is because most people don't use logic and research to pick a candidate. So what you get is pure emotion. Other people know deep inside that they are supporting someone who isn't exactly wonderful but they are not going to vote for that OTHER PARTY because mom, dad, grandma, granddad never voted for that PARTY. It is my opinion that most elections are based on who can sell the product better and the prejudice of the voters for or against the actual person. I don't mean color or ethnic group although that also comes into the mix. What I mean is that no one even goes to check out the facts. Like we are now having a problem with whether Romney strapped his dog carrier to the top of his car. Or in the past, whether Mr. Obama was a citizen of the United States, or whether he was a secret Muslim. These are all smoke screens to keep people from thinking about real issues, like the price of food constantly going up, how much money the oil companies are actually making when they raise the price of gas every time someone mentions Iran or Iraq or any other issue important to our daily lives. If I spend an hour doing a search on how many bills were passed by the candidates that benefited me or took away something for me, I would do much better as an informed voter than if I spent my time reading about Romney's dog or Obama's birth certificate. This, I think, is why we get angry with someone who has an opinion that does not match ours. We are not really solidly informed before we take the opinion in the first place. Like standing on the edge of a cliff, afraid that someone will push us off and lying to ourselves that if we scream loud and long enough, we won't lose our balance. Maybe we should just stick to cats and trade information on how to make their lives better and longer. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list. - Original Message - From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President It is true. On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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We probably should not. But it is in fact true, although it got taken off the table fairly early when the Dems realized it would never fly in that political atmosphere. So what we have is a slight improvement on the Republican health care plan. Diane R. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list. - Original Message - From: Lorrie mailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President It is true. On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Problem is that there are so many rumors floating around in print and cyber space that it makes it hard to discren the truth. Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: We probably should not. But it is in fact true, although it got taken off the table fairly early when the Dems realized it would never fly in that political atmosphere. So what we have is a slight improvement on the Republican health care plan. Diane R. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list. - Original Message - From: Lorrie mailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President It is true. On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You sound like an intelligent person. You are right. I know people in my community who vote democrate or repoublican just because everyone in their family has always voted that way. They never stop to ask themselves if the candidate is right or wrong. I go for the guy who sees things as I do, don't care about party, etc. Besides, both parties have had a hand in messing things up so no one can really point the finger of blame on the other. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I've never been a list moderator or been a position to direct anything except to try to direct a bunch of cats to use the litter boxes. However, let me just add a bit of wisdom or non-wisdom, however you want to view it. Discussing politics and religion usually causes minor skirmishes and major wars on any list or even in a group around the dinner table. We all have opinions. If the opinions are about food, clothing, the color of the freshly painted house down the street, why the neighbor would ever buy a Chihuahua/Great Dane mix dog or anything but religion and politics, we state our opinion, have a chuckle sometimes, compliment each other for being able to put a few words together in a sentence and go on with the day. But just start a thread in a group about politics in an election year and all h*** breaks loose. Even if half the list is in agreement that one or another candidate is a total screw-up, the other half of the list goes bananas and defends their total screw-up to the last flaming word. Unfortunately this is because most people don't use logic and research to pick a candidate. So what you get is pure emotion. Other people know deep inside that they are supporting someone who isn't exactly wonderful but they are not going to vote for that OTHER PARTY because mom, dad, grandma, granddad never voted for that PARTY. It is my opinion that most elections are based on who can sell the product better and the prejudice of the voters for or against the actual person. I don't mean color or ethnic group although that also comes into the mix. What I mean is that no one even goes to check out the facts. Like we are now having a problem with whether Romney strapped his dog carrier to the top of his car. Or in the past, whether Mr. Obama was a citizen of the United States, or whether he was a secret Muslim. These are all smoke screens to keep people from thinking about real issues, like the price of food constantly going up, how much money the oil companies are actually making when they raise the price of gas every time someone mentions Iran or Iraq or any other issue important to our daily lives. If I spend an hour doing a search on how many bills were passed by the candidates that benefited me or took away something for me, I would do much better as an informed voter than if I spent my time reading about Romney's dog or Obama's birth certificate. This, I think, is why we get angry with someone who has an opinion that does not match ours. We are not really solidly informed before we take the opinion in the first place. Like standing on the edge of a cliff, afraid that someone will push us off and lying to ourselves that if we scream loud and long enough, we won't lose our balance. Maybe we should just stick to cats and trade information on how to make their lives better and longer. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list. - Original Message - From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President It is true. On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hey guys not to get off from subject butI was interested in what everyone thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal cruilty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I think this topic should be off limits here. Terri - Original Message - From: Joslin Pottermailto:joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] President Hey guys not to get off from subject but I was interested in what everyone thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal cruilty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sorry Terri I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was just curious I'm so confused on who to vote for, and everyone is saying something different. From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I think this topic should be off limits here. Terri - Original Message - From: Joslin Potter To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] President Hey guys not to get off from subject butI was interested in what everyone thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal cruilty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I just think that there are too many varied opinions to discuss politics here. That's all. There is a risk of causing offense -- we are all so very different people, and not all of us believe the same things. I think that the best thing to do is to read both candidate's platform. Decide which one best reflects your own personal beliefs and then vote for that person. Off my soapbox now. T - Original Message - From: Joslin Pottermailto:joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Sorry Terri I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was just curious I'm so confused on who to vote for, and everyone is saying something different. From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.commailto:siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I think this topic should be off limits here. Terri - Original Message - From: Joslin Pottermailto:joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] President Hey guys not to get off from subject but I was interested in what everyone thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal cruilty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Why is that? I believe that people can have different opinions yet still be friends and get along and discuss their differences nicely. I am liberal in some things but conservative in others, I do not vote based on party affiliation, I vote based on what that one particular candidate has to offer. Sometimes I vote Democrat, sometimes I vote Republican, it all depends on the issues at hand. From: siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:51:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I think this topic should be off limits here. Terri - Original Message - From: Joslin Potter To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] President Hey guys not to get off from subject but I was interested in what everyone thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal cruilty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I've had family members BASH me for my beliefs. So I prefer not to discuss politics, especially with people who don't really know me. T - Original Message - From: Edna Taylormailto:taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Why is that? I believe that people can have different opinions yet still be friends and get along and discuss their differences nicely. I am liberal in some things but conservative in others, I do not vote based on party affiliation, I vote based on what that one particular candidate has to offer. Sometimes I vote Democrat, sometimes I vote Republican, it all depends on the issues at hand. -- From: siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:51:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I think this topic should be off limits here. Terri - Original Message - From: Joslin Pottermailto:joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] President Hey guys not to get off from subject but I was interested in what everyone thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal cruilty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'm sorry to hear that, I've been taking it from people on facebook as I am just trying to understand what each of them is for. For me it's healthcare, that is what intrests me the most however, when it comes to people like Mike Vick, there need to be better laws put into place, i just wondered how everyone else felt, no judgement from me. Like i told a friend, we hall have and know something someone else might not. From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I've had family members BASH me for my beliefs. So I prefer not to discuss politics, especially with people who don't really know me. T - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Why is that? I believe that people can have different opinions yet still be friends and get along and discuss their differences nicely. I am liberal in some things but conservative in others, I do not vote based on party affiliation, I vote based on what that one particular candidate has to offer. Sometimes I vote Democrat, sometimes I vote Republican, it all depends on the issues at hand. From: siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:51:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I think this topic should be off limits here. Terri - Original Message - From: Joslin Potter To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] President Hey guys not to get off from subject but I was interested in what everyone thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal cruilty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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True enough. - Original Message - From: Edna Taylormailto:taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I would never bash someone for their beliefs because they are YOUR beliefs and I respect that. Us cat people have to stick together whether we agree on candidates or not because most of the world thinks we are crazy anyway :) -- From: siggies...@hotmail.commailto:siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:24:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I've had family members BASH me for my beliefs. So I prefer not to discuss politics, especially with people who don't really know me. T - Original Message - From: Edna Taylormailto:taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Why is that? I believe that people can have different opinions yet still be friends and get along and discuss their differences nicely. I am liberal in some things but conservative in others, I do not vote based on party affiliation, I vote based on what that one particular candidate has to offer. Sometimes I vote Democrat, sometimes I vote Republican, it all depends on the issues at hand. From: siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:51:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I think this topic should be off limits here. Terri - Original Message - From: Joslin Pottermailto:joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] President Hey guys not to get off from subject but I was interested in what everyone thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal cruilty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree. I know that we are all from different states and backgrounds, that is why i am curious i know what it is like hear in Michigan... I would never judge anyone... From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I would never bash someone for their beliefs because they are YOUR beliefs and I respect that. Us cat people have to stick together whether we agree on candidates or not because most of the world thinks we are crazy anyway :) From: siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:24:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I've had family members BASH me for my beliefs. So I prefer not to discuss politics, especially with people who don't really know me. T - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Why is that? I believe that people can have different opinions yet still be friends and get along and discuss their differences nicely. I am liberal in some things but conservative in others, I do not vote based on party affiliation, I vote based on what that one particular candidate has to offer. Sometimes I vote Democrat, sometimes I vote Republican, it all depends on the issues at hand. From: siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:51:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I think this topic should be off limits here. Terri - Original Message - From: Joslin Potter To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] President Hey guys not to get off from subject but I was interested in what everyone thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal cruilty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks for sharing that with us because I have wondered how someone in the healthcare industry felt about it. Speaking from the perspective of someone whose husband lost his job 3 days before Christmas in 2008 and all of the promises made by the current administration to help with mortgages, healthcare, etc., I'm not seeing it, nor were we helped in any size, shape or fashion. With regards to healthcare, we were told that because I had a full time job, I could (in a nutshell) s*ck it up and pay out an additional $500 a month to cover my husband and his son on my company's insurance plan until he found a job. We were also told that we had too much equity in our home so we didn't qualify for any mortgage assistance and in the end, I simply borrowed from his and my 401K and we just made ends meet until 15 months later he found full time employment. So, who is the better candidate? I really don't know :( Oh and to keep on track with kitty discussions for this group and speaking of FeLuk, one of our kitties that we thought was feral but ended up not being feral, so we brought her inside was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a few weeks ago and she is only about 2-3 years old. The doctor said that the type of cancer she has indicates that she was exposed to FeLuk as a kitten but managed to shed the virus since she does not have it. Unfortunately, it did its damage anyway :( SuzieQ has maybe a month to live so we are making her comfortable and loving on her until she lets us know that she is ready to cross over :( From: siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:33:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Well, I have a different take on the whole healthcare thing because I work for a health insurance company. I understand how the business works. That being said, there are good things about the Obamacare, but there are some things that are NOT. So I disagree that it should stand as it is. It needs to be replaced. My opinion. I cannot speak on behalf of my employer. Terri - Original Message - From: Joslin Potter To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I'm sorry to hear that, I've been taking it from people on facebook as I am just trying to understand what each of them is for. For me it's healthcare, that is what intrests me the most however, when it comes to people like Mike Vick, there need to be better laws put into place, i just wondered how everyone else felt, no judgement from me. Like i told a friend, we hall have and know something someone else might not. From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I've had family members BASH me for my beliefs. So I prefer not to discuss politics, especially with people who don't really know me. T - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Why is that? I believe that people can have different opinions yet still be friends and get along and discuss their differences nicely. I am liberal in some things but conservative in others, I do not vote based on party affiliation, I vote based on what that one particular candidate has to offer. Sometimes I vote Democrat, sometimes I vote Republican, it all depends on the issues at hand. From: siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:51:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I think this topic should be off limits here. Terri - Original Message - From: Joslin Potter To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] President Hey guys not to get off from subject but I was interested in what everyone thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal cruilty
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Without endorsing either candidate here's some thoughts I had on deciding between the candidates: I don't think either candidate will directly influence animal cruelty laws or humane practice laws. They've got too much else to worry about, especially right now. Even if they love animals it will not be their priority. So, for this particular election I'm not even considering it. Now obviously if the candidate was a known animal abuser that would be different and would impact my decision. When it comes to animal issues I tend to focus on the legislative branch like Congress and state reps, etc. that would have more influence passing legislation and laws. So, regarding animal welfare I'm basing my decision on who can best help me and other people help the animals and continue our work in animal welfare. It's not what they will do, it's what they will allow me to do. Right now the economy is a problem. People are losing their homes and can't keep their pets. Donations to animal welfare organizations are down so they can't do as much either. Many people like myself feed a bunch of feral cats. It is hard to keep doing that when you can barely afford to feed your family. I volunteer with a local humane society so even in our small part of the world I've seen a major increase in the number of pets surrendered by owners who lost their homes or just left their pets behind. People have to spend more time trying to make ends meet and don't have time to volunteer with animal rescues etc. Just lots of things like that. Considering those kinds of things I'm looking at who can help the economy the most. Each candidate has very different economic policies and very different approaches to boosting our economy. So that's one thing I'm looking at hard - which economic policy do I think will work. I lived in a third world country for two years a long time ago. Their animals were a lot worse off than ours and it wasn't because the people weren't compassionate they just didn't have anything to be able to help their animals. So right now I'm looking at which economic plan will help the country get back on it's feet so we can keep our pets and have time to donate and volunteer to fight for animal protection legislation. Healthcare is definitely something to consider but that's also part of the economic crisis so I'm not going to directly contribute any thoughts on that. I would suggest not looking at just what the candidates say they will do for the animals but look at what will help us do for the animals. They've got too many other issues to tackle. I'd be surprised if either one of them took up one animal issue whatsoever. It's people like us who are working for the animals that make the difference so see what they can do for us and we'll do all the legwork to help the animals. Take a look at the economic plans and that will help influence your decision. I had a few basic economic courses in college so I understand the basics but not all the details. I think if you just look at the basic models without going into too too many details it would be enough to make a decision. But hey, there's lots of other things to consider but that's where I'm at when I think about what will help the animals the most. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 11:44:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Thanks for sharing that with us because I have wondered how someone in the healthcare industry felt about it. Speaking from the perspective of someone whose husband lost his job 3 days before Christmas in 2008 and all of the promises made by the current administration to help with mortgages, healthcare, etc., I'm not seeing it, nor were we helped in any size, shape or fashion. With regards to healthcare, we were told that because I had a full time job, I could (in a nutshell) s*ck it up and pay out an additional $500 a month to cover my husband and his son on my company's insurance plan until he found a job. We were also told that we had too much equity in our home so we didn't qualify for any mortgage assistance and in the end, I simply borrowed from his and my 401K and we just made ends meet until 15 months later he found full time employment. So, who is the better candidate? I really don't know :( Oh and to keep on track with kitty discussions for this group and speaking of FeLuk, one of our kitties that we thought was feral but ended up not being feral, so we brought her inside was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a few weeks ago and she is only about 2-3 years old. The doctor said
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I agree with Terri. This list was set up to discuss ill kitties. NOT politics and hunting. There are other groups dedicated to those topics. In the meantime how about helping out Bella. That is what this group is for JMHO Sharyl From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Sorry Terri I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was just curious I'm so confused on who to vote for, and everyone is saying something different. From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I think this topic should be off limits here. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks, Maureen. That was well stated you made very valid points. Thanks for your opinion :). By the way, I don't care for either candidate. All politicians lie I feel like I have to vote for the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. Thanks again, Maureen! L Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:52:28 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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One brief thing... The Obama Care we now have is not even close to the way he wanted it. He had to make too many concessions to the Republicans who really screwed it up. My opinion - and you can guess who I'll vote for. Lorrie On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: Well, I have a different take on the whole healthcare thing because I work for a health insurance company. I understand how the business works. That being said, there are good things about the Obamacare, but there are some things that are NOT. So I disagree that it should stand as it is. It needs to be replaced. My opinion. I cannot speak on behalf of my employer. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lorrie, Me too(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: One brief thing... The Obama Care we now have is not even close to the way he wanted it. He had to make too many concessions to the Republicans who really screwed it up. My opinion - and you can guess who I'll vote for. Lorrie On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: Well, I have a different take on the whole healthcare thing because I work for a health insurance company. I understand how the business works. That being said, there are good things about the Obamacare, but there are some things that are NOT. So I disagree that it should stand as it is. It needs to be replaced. My opinion. I cannot speak on behalf of my employer. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true. Terri - Original Message - From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President One brief thing... The Obama Care we now have is not even close to the way he wanted it. He had to make too many concessions to the Republicans who really screwed it up. My opinion - and you can guess who I'll vote for. Lorrie On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: Well, I have a different take on the whole healthcare thing because I work for a health insurance company. I understand how the business works. That being said, there are good things about the Obamacare, but there are some things that are NOT. So I disagree that it should stand as it is. It needs to be replaced. My opinion. I cannot speak on behalf of my employer. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
