Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea
I talked to the vet on Saturday. Smokey was getting an injection of Winstrol every 2 weeks. We are now going to try 1 a month. The vet said we might consider stopping the Equistim at some point in the near future. His weight is now up to 7lbs.8oz. and he acts like a SuperCat now. I guess that is due to the Winstrol. I'm like you I don't know either but I don't want to change anything to drastically right now because I will be gone for about 4 days the middle of June. My husband will be taking care of all the furbabies. I sure don't want him to have to deal with a sick kitty while I am gone. Cindy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Cindy, It doesn't make much sense to me to continue with IR indefinitely. The way I understand it, it's a bacteria that is introduced to help the immune response wage an attack. The heightened immune response to the IR also takes care of whatever problem they were having in the first place. It doesn't seem reasonable to keep the immune system fighting when it isn't necessary, it's not like building muscles, (or is it?). Oh, there's so much I don't know!! Nina cindy reasoner wrote: I am so glad that Chelsea is doing better. I would like to know the course of treatment your vet has chosen for immuno-regulin too. Smokey is on immuno-regulin but the vet hasn't said how long he will continue to get the injections. To be honest I thought he would continue to get 2 injections per week for the rest of his life. I need to ask his vet about it. I hope Chelsea's bloodwork comes back much improved. Cindy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea
It's about $35, I think, for a bottle, which is at least 5 or 6 doses, I think, from revival. Michelle In a message dated 5/13/2006 12:38:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Nina, I'm paying $10 a dose for IR from my vet Do you remember where you got yours and what it cost? I friend of mine wants to start some of her felv+ kitties on IR and is fairly certain that she can get it from one of the vets that her rescue group works with, but I'd like to know where else we might be able to get it. Thanks, Deanne
Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea
Hi Nina, I'm paying $10 a dose for IR from my vet Do you remember where you got yours and what it cost? I friend of mine wants to start some of her felv+ kitties on IR and is fairly certain that she can get it from one of the vets that her rescue group works with, but I'd like to know where else we might be able to get it. Thanks, Deanne From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:34:01 -0700 Thanks Deanne, I'm archiving the info and sent a forward to Sally. She lost her sweet baby Chrissy this afternoon, but the other kitty in trouble seems to be improving. I sent her the IR I had in my fridge and I'll let you know what happens if she decides to try it. I'm hoping that the success that Cindy had with administering it subq is not a fluke and that it will work for other kitties that stress out at the vet's office. Maybe that would work for your less-than-cooperative guys when/if the need arises. Nina ACALA PET ISSUES wrote: Chelsea received 1/2 ml I-V injections of immunoregulin aprox every 4 days for about 3 1/2 weeks for a total of 6 doses. We're now cutting back to once a week injections for another 3 weeks, at which time we'll do blood work to determine how her anemia is doing. If she's in the normal range, we'll probably continue with once a month immunoregulin injections for a few more months. If Chelsea is still anemia, we'll stay on once a week immunoregulin for a while longer. Though she was diagnosed with severe, non to poorly regenerative anemia, she's clearly been making red blood cells which I don't believe would have happened without the IR treatments. Really as anemic as Chelsea was, I was doubtful that she would respond to the treatment at all but she seems to be doing very well and is certainly enjoying life. We were lucky, Chelsea is a good patient and is very sweet by nature. It isn't easy to give I-V injections to a cat due to their small veins and it certainly isn't particularly easy on the cat either. I have several other felv+ rescue kitties, a couple of which will not be good candidates for IR treatment when they become symptomatic due to their less-than-cooperative personalities. We'll continue to give Chelsea other immune supportive supplements in addition to Immunoregulin and will hope for her continual improvement. Thanks for all your help, Deanne
Immunoregulin for Chelsea
I wanted to thank everyone for the advise given last month regarding 12 month-old felv+ Chelsea who was suffering from severe anemia. She began responding to treatment fairly quickly and had noticeably improved within the first 2 weeks. Chelsea has now received 6 injections of immunoregulin and has regained her normal energy level and has pink gums again. I took your advise to heart and put her on Droxy and folic acid in addition to the Pet Tinic, Feline Immune Support and Interferon that she had been receiving. She's scheduled for 3 more injections of Immunoregulin to complete the recommended course of treatment. When she gets her last injection, I'll get blood work done again to determine her current hematocrit level. You may remember that it was extremely low - 9.6% when she last had blood drawn on April 15th. I don't know if Chelsea's turn around will be permanent, but she has had a very good month and I'm hopeful that she'll have many more to come. Thanks again, Deanne
Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea
How wonderful that Chelsea is doing better!! What is the course of treatment your vet has used for the immunoregulin? I have seen different ones. How far apart and what dosage?Am getting ready to start one of my girls on that - my vet said .2cc per day for 4 days, then .2cc per week for 4 weeks and then .2cc every four months.ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to thank everyone for the advise given last month regarding 12 month-old felv+ Chelsea who was suffering from severe anemia. She began responding to treatment fairly quickly and had noticeably improved within the first 2 weeks. Chelsea has now received 6 injections of immunoregulin and has regained her normal energy level and has pink gums again. I took your advise to heart and put her on Droxy and folic acid in addition to the Pet Tinic, Feline Immune Support and Interferon that she had been receiving. She's scheduled for 3 more injections of Immunoregulin to complete the recommended course of treatment. When she gets her last injection, I'll get blood work done again to determine her current hematocrit level. You may remember that it was extremely low - 9.6% when she last had blood drawn on April 15th.I don't know if Chelsea's turn around will be permanent, but she has had a very good month and I'm hopeful that she'll have many more to come.Thanks again, Deanne
Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea
Deanne, Thank you for posting about your success with Chelsea. I'm so pleased she's doing better!! I'd like to know the specifics of your protocol/dosage too. Is she getting the IR subq, or IV? A friend from the list that no longer posts (I'm sure most of you remember Sally from San Jose) is having problems of unknown origin with a couple of neg cats and I've been telling her about IR. Any info you could post would be greatly appreciated. Congratulations on Chelsea feeling better! Nina Susan Loesch wrote: How wonderful that Chelsea is doing better!! What is the course of treatment your vet has used for the immunoregulin? I have seen different ones. How far apart and what dosage? Am getting ready to start one of my girls on that - my vet said .2cc per day for 4 days, then .2cc per week for 4 weeks and then .2cc every four months. ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to thank everyone for the advise given last month regarding 12 month-old felv+ Chelsea who was suffering from severe anemia. She began responding to treatment fairly quickly and had noticeably improved within the first 2 weeks. Chelsea has now received 6 injections of immunoregulin and has regained her normal energy level and has pink gums again. I took your advise to heart and put her on Droxy and folic acid in addition to the Pet Tinic, Feline Immune Support and Interferon that she had been receiving. She's scheduled for 3 more injections of Immunoregulin to complete the recommended course of treatment. When she gets her last injection, I'll get blood work done again to determine her current hematocrit level. You may remember that it was extremely low - 9.6% when she last had blood drawn on April 15th. I don't know if Chelsea's turn around will be permanent, but she has had a very good month and I'm hopeful that she'll have many more to come. Thanks again, Deanne
Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea
I am so glad that Chelsea is doing better. I would like to know the course of treatment your vet has chosen for immuno-regulin too. Smokey is on immuno-regulin but the vet hasn't said how long he will continue to get the injections. To be honest I thought he would continue to get 2 injections per week for the rest of his life. I need to ask his vet about it. I hope Chelsea's bloodwork comes back much improved. Cindy --- Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How wonderful that Chelsea is doing better!! What is the course of treatment your vet has used for the immunoregulin? I have seen different ones. How far apart and what dosage? Am getting ready to start one of my girls on that - my vet said .2cc per day for 4 days, then .2cc per week for 4 weeks and then .2cc every four months. ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to thank everyone for the advise given last month regarding 12 month-old felv+ Chelsea who was suffering from severe anemia. She began responding to treatment fairly quickly and had noticeably improved within the first 2 weeks. Chelsea has now received 6 injections of immunoregulin and has regained her normal energy level and has pink gums again. I took your advise to heart and put her on Droxy and folic acid in addition to the Pet Tinic, Feline Immune Support and Interferon that she had been receiving. She's scheduled for 3 more injections of Immunoregulin to complete the recommended course of treatment. When she gets her last injection, I'll get blood work done again to determine her current hematocrit level. You may remember that it was extremely low - 9.6% when she last had blood drawn on April 15th. I don't know if Chelsea's turn around will be permanent, but she has had a very good month and I'm hopeful that she'll have many more to come. Thanks again, Deanne __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea
Deanne, Congratulations on Chelsea's improvement!!! How exciting! I hope she is relishing feeling better again. Bless you for doing all you can to help heal her. She knows how much she is loved. Please keep us posted on her progress and I'm going to write down her specific treatment and add it to the kitty care manual. :) Wendy --- ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to thank everyone for the advise given last month regarding 12 month-old felv+ Chelsea who was suffering from severe anemia. She began responding to treatment fairly quickly and had noticeably improved within the first 2 weeks. Chelsea has now received 6 injections of immunoregulin and has regained her normal energy level and has pink gums again. I took your advise to heart and put her on Droxy and folic acid in addition to the Pet Tinic, Feline Immune Support and Interferon that she had been receiving. She's scheduled for 3 more injections of Immunoregulin to complete the recommended course of treatment. When she gets her last injection, I'll get blood work done again to determine her current hematocrit level. You may remember that it was extremely low - 9.6% when she last had blood drawn on April 15th. I don't know if Chelsea's turn around will be permanent, but she has had a very good month and I'm hopeful that she'll have many more to come. Thanks again, Deanne __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea
Hi Cindy, It doesn't make much sense to me to continue with IR indefinitely. The way I understand it, it's a bacteria that is introduced to help the immune response wage an attack. The heightened immune response to the IR also takes care of whatever problem they were having in the first place. It doesn't seem reasonable to keep the immune system fighting when it isn't necessary, it's not like building muscles, (or is it?). Oh, there's so much I don't know!! Nina cindy reasoner wrote: I am so glad that Chelsea is doing better. I would like to know the course of treatment your vet has chosen for immuno-regulin too. Smokey is on immuno-regulin but the vet hasn't said how long he will continue to get the injections. To be honest I thought he would continue to get 2 injections per week for the rest of his life. I need to ask his vet about it. I hope Chelsea's bloodwork comes back much improved. Cindy
Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea
Chelsea received 1/2 ml I-V injections of immunoregulin aprox every 4 days for about 3 1/2 weeks for a total of 6 doses. We're now cutting back to once a week injections for another 3 weeks, at which time we'll do blood work to determine how her anemia is doing. If she's in the normal range, we'll probably continue with once a month immunoregulin injections for a few more months. If Chelsea is still anemia, we'll stay on once a week immunoregulin for a while longer. Though she was diagnosed with severe, non to poorly regenerative anemia, she's clearly been making red blood cells which I don't believe would have happened without the IR treatments. Really as anemic as Chelsea was, I was doubtful that she would respond to the treatment at all but she seems to be doing very well and is certainly enjoying life. We were lucky, Chelsea is a good patient and is very sweet by nature. It isn't easy to give I-V injections to a cat due to their small veins and it certainly isn't particularly easy on the cat either. I have several other felv+ rescue kitties, a couple of which will not be good candidates for IR treatment when they become symptomatic due to their less-than-cooperative personalities. We'll continue to give Chelsea other immune supportive supplements in addition to Immunoregulin and will hope for her continual improvement. Thanks for all your help, Deanne From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:21:33 -0700 Deanne, Thank you for posting about your success with Chelsea. I'm so pleased she's doing better!! I'd like to know the specifics of your protocol/dosage too. Is she getting the IR subq, or IV? A friend from the list that no longer posts (I'm sure most of you remember Sally from San Jose) is having problems of unknown origin with a couple of neg cats and I've been telling her about IR. Any info you could post would be greatly appreciated. Congratulations on Chelsea feeling better! Nina Susan Loesch wrote: How wonderful that Chelsea is doing better!! What is the course of treatment your vet has used for the immunoregulin? I have seen different ones. How far apart and what dosage? Am getting ready to start one of my girls on that - my vet said .2cc per day for 4 days, then .2cc per week for 4 weeks and then .2cc every four months. */ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I wanted to thank everyone for the advise given last month regarding 12 month-old felv+ Chelsea who was suffering from severe anemia. She began responding to treatment fairly quickly and had noticeably improved within the first 2 weeks. Chelsea has now received 6 injections of immunoregulin and has regained her normal energy level and has pink gums again. I took your advise to heart and put her on Droxy and folic acid in addition to the Pet Tinic, Feline Immune Support and Interferon that she had been receiving. She's scheduled for 3 more injections of Immunoregulin to complete the recommended course of treatment. When she gets her last injection, I'll get blood work done again to determine her current hematocrit level. You may remember that it was extremely low - 9.6% when she last had blood drawn on April 15th. I don't know if Chelsea's turn around will be permanent, but she has had a very good month and I'm hopeful that she'll have many more to come. Thanks again, Deanne
Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea
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Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea
Thanks Deanne, I'm archiving the info and sent a forward to Sally. She lost her sweet baby Chrissy this afternoon, but the other kitty in trouble seems to be improving. I sent her the IR I had in my fridge and I'll let you know what happens if she decides to try it. I'm hoping that the success that Cindy had with administering it subq is not a fluke and that it will work for other kitties that stress out at the vet's office. Maybe that would work for your less-than-cooperative guys when/if the need arises. Nina ACALA PET ISSUES wrote: Chelsea received 1/2 ml I-V injections of immunoregulin aprox every 4 days for about 3 1/2 weeks for a total of 6 doses. We're now cutting back to once a week injections for another 3 weeks, at which time we'll do blood work to determine how her anemia is doing. If she's in the normal range, we'll probably continue with once a month immunoregulin injections for a few more months. If Chelsea is still anemia, we'll stay on once a week immunoregulin for a while longer. Though she was diagnosed with severe, non to poorly regenerative anemia, she's clearly been making red blood cells which I don't believe would have happened without the IR treatments. Really as anemic as Chelsea was, I was doubtful that she would respond to the treatment at all but she seems to be doing very well and is certainly enjoying life. We were lucky, Chelsea is a good patient and is very sweet by nature. It isn't easy to give I-V injections to a cat due to their small veins and it certainly isn't particularly easy on the cat either. I have several other felv+ rescue kitties, a couple of which will not be good candidates for IR treatment when they become symptomatic due to their less-than-cooperative personalities. We'll continue to give Chelsea other immune supportive supplements in addition to Immunoregulin and will hope for her continual improvement. Thanks for all your help, Deanne
Re: Deanne: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Sorry I have not been reading email much. If you are referring to the Dr. Lees article on immunoregulin, look on this group's web page (www.felineleukemia.org) Michelle In a message dated 4/18/2006 10:30:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you have a copy of this article, I'd like to show it to my vet?
Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
I haven't been able to check my mail lately so this is a late reply. The vets haven't said anything about how long they plan to keep Smokey on the Winstrol or the Equistim. They did mention we might try to start giving the Winstrol injections every 3 weeks instead of every 2 weeks. Smokey's blood work wasn't that bad. I know the first vet said he was anemic but this new vet said his anemia wasn't that bad. Does that make sense? Smokey's only symptoms of being felv+ was his fever and the equistim is working for that. He isn't on any other medicine except for Pet Tinic. He continues to gain weight not alot but he is gaining. He seems to be gaining 2 oz. every 2 weeks. He is up to 6lbs 8oz. When I was taking him to the old vet he weighed around 5lbs 6oz. The new vets seem happy with his results on the equistim. One of the new vets told me the 1st time I took Smokey to her that all you can do is treat him when he gets sick and try to get him through that until the next episode. Smokey is the first kitty I have had that is felv+ so I am still learning about this but does that make sense? Cindy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cindy, That's wonderful news about Smokey! How long does the vet intend to keep him on Winstrol? I know there are people that treat with equistim, (Immuno Regulin), as a preventative, but because it is a bacteria used to stimulate the immune response, I would think it wouldn't be something that you would want to keep Smokey on indefinitely either. Please tell us more about the protocol you and your vet have chosen for Smokey. Thanks, Nina cindy reasoner wrote: Hi, My Smokey has been on equistim for about 2 months now. He had been tested for felv when I first got him and it was negative but after about a month he started getting fevers. After alot of medications to get the fever down only to have it go back up again the vet decided to check for felv again. This time it was positive. This vet didn't seem to be the best at handling felv+ kitties so I changed vets. The new vet started him on the equistim. The first week I believe he got an injection for 4 or 5 days and now he gets 2 injections a week. He gets them subq. The vet lets me give them to him at home. He also goes to the vet every 2 weeks to get an injection of Winstrol. He has been doing great. He hasn't had a fever since we started him on the equistim. He is gaining weight and has started playing now. He has a great appetite. I hope this helps. Cindy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Deanne: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Belinda, while no one on this list has used I-R for anemia, the vet who wrote the main article on it does say it has reversed serious anemia in some positive cats. Michelle In a message dated 4/17/2006 5:44:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not sure why you are giving these immunoregulin, interferon and supplements ,they are normally not the things used for very serious anemia??? These are mainly used as immune boosters before a serious condition exists or to help boost the immune system while using the things normally used to fight anemia, ie ... prednisolone, epogen, doxy, and as I said it really helps to know why a cat is anemic ... how are Chelsea's liver values.PS. I'm not impressed with your vet what has she/he done or suggested to find the cause for the anemia or to try and treat Chelsea???
Re: Deanne: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
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Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Hi Deanne, I had my kitty Cricket on ImmunoRegulin only for about a week or two, but lost him to anemia in November. I think I gave it to him too late. Is Chelsea anemic? If so, you should also consider Epogen. Other members here have more experience with either of these than I do. Good luck with Chelsea and keep us posted. :) Wendy --- ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Any advise would be appreciated greatly. One of my 11 month old felv+ cats - Chelsea - who has been on a course of clavamox until a couple of days ago for a slight fever and lethargy has just developed very pale gums. They weren't pale 2 weeks ago when she last saw the vet. I know that pale gums are indicative of anemia. I'm trying to convince a vet to try Immunoregulin. Has anyone had much success with this therapy? Chelsea already gets interferon orally. Thanks, Deanne __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Deanne: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Deanne, Chelsea's blood work does not look good. If you can afford a transfusion, get one for Chelsea. It will buy you some time to see what is going on with her. 9.6 is very, very low. Time is of the essence. Good luck sweetie. I will keep you and Chelsea on my prayer list. Please let us know what happens. :) Wendy --- ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chelsea got her first ImmunoRegulin shot yesterday. She also had blood drawn, after which she collapsed but later revived. She is still eating but is very weak. Below are the results of her bloodwork, it doesn't look good at all at this point. I'm giving her pet tinic, oral interferon and a product called Feline Immune System Support from Standard Process. The bloodwork showed no Hemobart, should I still ask for Doxycycline? My vet really isn't comfortable with Epogen, is there anything that I can tell him to change his mind? From: Online Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Marshfield Laboratory Results Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:31:56 -0500 --- Name:CHRISTMAN, FELINE CHELSEA (DEANNE) ID #: 3181189CA Species: FELINE Accn#: 82653812 Age: 12 months ApproximateDOB: 04/15/2005 Approximate Patient Location: SLENNGender: Female Veterinarian: RICHARD SLENN Breed: Domestic Short Hair FLAG - TEST - RESULTS -- UNITS --- REF RANGE -- Hemogram-CleVet (CLVCLT) Collection: 04/15/06 13:00 *L Red Blood Cell Count 1.41 x10^6/uL (5.80 - 11.00) *L Hemoglobin2.8 g/dL (8.6 - 16.0) *Result verified by repeat analysis. BLM 04/15/06 22:50 *L Hematocrit9.6 % (28.0 - 47.0) *Result verified by repeat analysis. BLM 04/15/06 22:50 H Mean Corpuscular Volume 68.0 fL(37.7 - 50.0) H Mean Corpuscular Hemoglob19.7 pg(12.3 - 17.2) L Mean Corpuscular Hgb Conc29.0 g/dL (31.1 - 36.0) Red Cell Distribution Wid19.6 % (17.0 - 24.0) Platelet Count * x10^3/uL (160 - 660) * PLT estimate from smear appears to be 100,000 - 175,000 /uL. White Blood Cell Count5.6 x10^3/uL (3.7 - 20.5) Seg. Neutrophil Absolute 1.96 x10^3/uL (1.30 - 15.70) Banded Neutrophil Absolut0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.30) Lymphocyte Absolute #3.36 x10^3/uL (1.00 - 7.90) Act Lymphocyte Absolute #0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.10) Monocyte Absolute # 0.17 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 1.00) Eosinophil Absolute #0.11 x10^3/uL (0.10 - 2.00) Basophil Absolute # 0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.10) Other Absolute # 0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Blast Absolute # 0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Promyelocyte Absolute # 0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Myelocyte Absolute # 0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Metamyelocyte Absolute # 0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) *Pathologist review. Result to follow in 1-2 days. 04/15/06 22:47 FINAL Report Marshfield Laboratories 1000 N. Oak Avenue, Marshfield WI 54449 --- Name:CHRISTMAN, FELINE CHELSEA (DEANNE) ID #: 3181189CA Species: FELINE Accn#: 82653812 Age: 12 months ApproximateDOB: 04/15/2005 Approximate Patient Location: SLENNGender: Female --- FLAG - TEST - RESULTS -- UNITS --- REF RANGE -- Differential-CleVet (CLVDIF) Collection: 04/15/06 13:00 Segmented Neutrophils 35 % Lymphocytes60 % Monocytes 3 % Eosinophils 2 % Polychromatophilia 1+ *H Nucleated Red Blood Cells 6 /100WBC (0 - 0) No Mycoplasma haemofelis (formerly Hemobartonella felis) seen. LJM 04/15/06 23:30 *RBC agglutination may falsely decrease RBC number and increase MCV and MCH. RBC appear agglutinated. From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: ImmunoRegulin
RE: Deanne: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Thanks Wendy. I've talked to others locally who have had their felv+ cats transfused, none of them said that they would do it again. They all seemed to think that it was a lot to put their cats though in order to buy a little more time. I tend to agree. I had hoped that we'd caught Chelsea's anemia in time for the immunoregulin to take effect. I still have a small amount of hope that she may turn around but the reality of what her blood work shows is hard to ignore. Chelsea had her blood drawn during an in-home visit by my vet Saturday. He was originally scheduled to visit to perform a euthanasia on another of my felv+ kitties MeCa who had developed lymphosarcoma. MeCa crossed over very peacefully, I hope for the same for Chelsea. Short of a miracle, I intend to make her last days as easy on her as possible and will continue with the immunoregulin, interferon and supplements. Thank you for your help and thoughts. Deanne From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Deanne: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Deanne, Chelsea's blood work does not look good. If you can afford a transfusion, get one for Chelsea. It will buy you some time to see what is going on with her. 9.6 is very, very low. Time is of the essence. Good luck sweetie. I will keep you and Chelsea on my prayer list. Please let us know what happens. :) Wendy --- ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chelsea got her first ImmunoRegulin shot yesterday. She also had blood drawn, after which she collapsed but later revived. She is still eating but is very weak. Below are the results of her bloodwork, it doesn't look good at all at this point. I'm giving her pet tinic, oral interferon and a product called Feline Immune System Support from Standard Process. The bloodwork showed no Hemobart, should I still ask for Doxycycline? My vet really isn't comfortable with Epogen, is there anything that I can tell him to change his mind? From: Online Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Marshfield Laboratory Results Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:31:56 -0500 --- Name:CHRISTMAN, FELINE CHELSEA (DEANNE) ID #: 3181189CA Species: FELINE Accn#: 82653812 Age: 12 months ApproximateDOB: 04/15/2005 Approximate Patient Location: SLENNGender: Female Veterinarian: RICHARD SLENN Breed: Domestic Short Hair FLAG - TEST - RESULTS -- UNITS --- REF RANGE -- Hemogram-CleVet (CLVCLT) Collection: 04/15/06 13:00 *L Red Blood Cell Count 1.41 x10^6/uL (5.80 - 11.00) *L Hemoglobin2.8 g/dL (8.6 - 16.0) *Result verified by repeat analysis. BLM 04/15/06 22:50 *L Hematocrit9.6 % (28.0 - 47.0) *Result verified by repeat analysis. BLM 04/15/06 22:50 H Mean Corpuscular Volume 68.0 fL(37.7 - 50.0) H Mean Corpuscular Hemoglob19.7 pg(12.3 - 17.2) L Mean Corpuscular Hgb Conc29.0 g/dL (31.1 - 36.0) Red Cell Distribution Wid19.6 % (17.0 - 24.0) Platelet Count * x10^3/uL (160 - 660) * PLT estimate from smear appears to be 100,000 - 175,000 /uL. White Blood Cell Count5.6 x10^3/uL (3.7 - 20.5) Seg. Neutrophil Absolute 1.96 x10^3/uL (1.30 - 15.70) Banded Neutrophil Absolut0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.30) Lymphocyte Absolute #3.36 x10^3/uL (1.00 - 7.90) Act Lymphocyte Absolute #0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.10) Monocyte Absolute # 0.17 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 1.00) Eosinophil Absolute #0.11 x10^3/uL (0.10 - 2.00) Basophil Absolute # 0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.10) Other Absolute # 0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Blast Absolute # 0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Promyelocyte Absolute # 0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Myelocyte Absolute # 0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Metamyelocyte Absolute # 0.00 x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) *Pathologist review. Result to follow in 1-2 days. 04/15/06 22:47 FINAL Report Marshfield Laboratories 1000 N. Oak Avenue, Marshfield WI 54449 --- Name:CHRISTMAN, FELINE CHELSEA (DEANNE) ID #: 3181189CA Species: FELINE Accn#: 82653812 Age
RE: Deanne: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Deanne, I'm so sorry to hear about your baby. I chose not to transfuse Cricket also, because I didn't really have the money and I didn't want to prolong the inevitable if it was indeed the inevitable. In hindsight, and had I had the 300-400$ (could be less elsewhere), I would have done the transfusion, and treated him with the doxy and Epogen. I would have continued the ImmunoRegulin (Equistim) and started him on Interferon. But things happen for a reason I believe, and Cricket crossed over the bridge. I miss him terribly, but the good Lord has blessed us with another kitten in the past few weeks, who uncannily looks and acts just like Cricket minus one eye (she had an auto accident before the people at the shelter found her). I was not conscious of how much like Cricket she is when we adopted her from the shelter, but now that we've had her for a couple of weeks, it's really strange, and I consider it a blessing. I am glad that MeCa crossed over peacefully. That is a blessing in disguise. Only you and Chelsea know what's best to do. Listen to her and she will let you know what she wants. I am sorry you and Chelsea are going through this right now. Bless you for loving and caring for Chelsea like you do. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Deanne: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Deanne, While I respect and believe the opinions of the folks you talked to, I am glad that I gave Simon his transfusions as he would have died months earlier without them giving him the chance to respond to chemo, and I believe Belinda gave Bailey a transfusion and his hematocrit came up to 40, so I assume she is glad she did it as well. The whole thing takes about 4 hours. The only stressful parts are getting the catheter in and the fact that they have to be in a cage for about 4 hours. Michelle In a message dated 4/17/2006 10:44:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Wendy. I've talked to others locally who have had their felv+ cats transfused, none of them said that they would do it again. They all seemed to think that it was a lot to put their cats though in order to buy a little more time. I tend to agree. I had hoped that we'd caught Chelsea's anemia in time for the immunoregulin to take effect. I still have a small amount of hope that she may turn around but the reality of what her blood work shows is hard to ignore. Chelsea had her blood drawn during an in-home visit by my vet Saturday. He was originally scheduled to visit to perform a euthanasia on another of my felv+ kitties MeCa who had developed lymphosarcoma. MeCa crossed over very peacefully, I hope for the same for Chelsea. Short of a miracle, I intend to make her last days as easy on her as possible and will continue with the immunoregulin, interferon and supplements. Thank you for your help and thoughts. Deanne
Re: Deanne: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
I regret not trying a transfusion for Moogie soon enough. She was too far gone by the time I realized it was an option, her organs were shutting down. I wish my vet would have explained it to me and made it an option in time to buy a few more weeks with her. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: 4/16/2006
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With her count at 9.6 it is a good idea to get a cross matched blood transfusion, if you decide to do epogen I would get started right away, it can take up to three weeks to work. Also I must again say I would be giving the doxy even though she tested negative for hemobartonella, many times cats will test negative again and again even thought they have it, and as I said the doxy won't hurt her but if she does have hemo will save her life. My vet is currently treating a cat that isn't responding to the epogen and she has had several transfusions and only did better after getting an iron shot. Vitamin B complex and folic acid are something I would start also, especially vitamin B12. I send prayers for Chelsea, what does your vet think is causing the anemia? We had a bone marrow asperiate done to diagnose what was causing Bailey's anemia, it is pre-leukemic Myloid Dysplasia. There are many things that can cause anemia, and they all require different treatments. Did your vet mention if the luekemia is non-regenerative? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Deanne: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Not sure why you are giving these immunoregulin, interferon and supplements , they are normally not the things used for very serious anemia??? These are mainly used as immune boosters before a serious condition exists or to help boost the immune system while using the things normally used to fight anemia, ie ... prednisolone, epogen, doxy, and as I said it really helps to know why a cat is anemic ... how are Chelsea's liver values. PS. I'm not impressed with your vet what has she/he done or suggested to find the cause for the anemia or to try and treat Chelsea??? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Deanne: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Hi, Just to clarify, Bailey never had a transfusion, he didn't get low enough, but he certainly would have had he needed it. My Teenye years ago needed a transfusion and it brought her count up from 9 or 10% to 30 something %, don't remember exactly this was many years ago. Transfusions can definitely be a life saver and give the red cells time to mature depending on what is causing them to not mature, that's why it is so important to find out what is causing the anemia. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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how are Chelsea's liver values I meant kidney values -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Chelsea got her first ImmunoRegulin shot yesterday. She also had blood drawn, after which she collapsed but later revived. She is still eating but is very weak. Below are the results of her bloodwork, it doesn't look good at all at this point. I'm giving her pet tinic, oral interferon and a product called Feline Immune System Support from Standard Process. The bloodwork showed no Hemobart, should I still ask for Doxycycline? My vet really isn't comfortable with Epogen, is there anything that I can tell him to change his mind? From: Online Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Marshfield Laboratory Results Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:31:56 -0500 --- Name:CHRISTMAN, FELINE CHELSEA (DEANNE) ID #: 3181189CA Species: FELINE Accn#: 82653812 Age: 12 months ApproximateDOB: 04/15/2005 Approximate Patient Location: SLENNGender: Female Veterinarian: RICHARD SLENN Breed: Domestic Short Hair FLAG - TEST - RESULTS -- UNITS --- REF RANGE -- Hemogram-CleVet (CLVCLT) Collection: 04/15/06 13:00 *L Red Blood Cell Count 1.41x10^6/uL (5.80 - 11.00) *L Hemoglobin2.8g/dL (8.6 - 16.0) *Result verified by repeat analysis. BLM 04/15/06 22:50 *L Hematocrit9.6% (28.0 - 47.0) *Result verified by repeat analysis. BLM 04/15/06 22:50 H Mean Corpuscular Volume 68.0fL(37.7 - 50.0) H Mean Corpuscular Hemoglob19.7pg(12.3 - 17.2) L Mean Corpuscular Hgb Conc29.0g/dL (31.1 - 36.0) Red Cell Distribution Wid19.6% (17.0 - 24.0) Platelet Count *x10^3/uL (160 - 660) * PLT estimate from smear appears to be 100,000 - 175,000 /uL. White Blood Cell Count5.6x10^3/uL (3.7 - 20.5) Seg. Neutrophil Absolute 1.96x10^3/uL (1.30 - 15.70) Banded Neutrophil Absolut0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.30) Lymphocyte Absolute #3.36x10^3/uL (1.00 - 7.90) Act Lymphocyte Absolute #0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.10) Monocyte Absolute # 0.17x10^3/uL (0.00 - 1.00) Eosinophil Absolute #0.11x10^3/uL (0.10 - 2.00) Basophil Absolute # 0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.10) Other Absolute # 0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Blast Absolute # 0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Promyelocyte Absolute # 0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Myelocyte Absolute # 0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Metamyelocyte Absolute # 0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) *Pathologist review. Result to follow in 1-2 days. 04/15/06 22:47 FINAL Report Marshfield Laboratories 1000 N. Oak Avenue, Marshfield WI 54449 --- Name:CHRISTMAN, FELINE CHELSEA (DEANNE) ID #: 3181189CA Species: FELINE Accn#: 82653812 Age: 12 months ApproximateDOB: 04/15/2005 Approximate Patient Location: SLENNGender: Female --- FLAG - TEST - RESULTS -- UNITS --- REF RANGE -- Differential-CleVet (CLVDIF) Collection: 04/15/06 13:00 Segmented Neutrophils 35% Lymphocytes60% Monocytes 3% Eosinophils 2% Polychromatophilia 1+ *H Nucleated Red Blood Cells 6/100WBC (0 - 0) No Mycoplasma haemofelis (formerly Hemobartonella felis) seen. LJM 04/15/06 23:30 *RBC agglutination may falsely decrease RBC number and increase MCV and MCH. RBC appear agglutinated. From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea? Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:00:06 -0700 First thing is to determine what is causing the anemia, giving doxy even when hemobart isn't found is a good idea, hemo is VERY hard to detect and the doxy will almost always take care of it and won't hurt Chelsea if she doesn't have hemo but will save her life if she does. Blood transfusions, and epogen depending onwhat is causing the anemia can really help. Also vitamin B complex and folic acid are needed to build blood. Prednisolone can help if it is similar to what Bailey has
Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Hi. With a hematocrit of 9.6, if you want the chance to treat her I think you need to get her a transfusion. That value is very low, and if it goes lower she will not make it. A transfusion can buy you days or weeks to get other treatments going. Tell your vet that several of the cats on this list serve who are FeLV+ and had hematocrits almost that low turned around with epogen. With a hematocrit that low she is close to losing the fight, so what could possibly be the downside of trying the Epogen? If she says they can get reactions to it, that is not usual and when it does happen it is normally months into the treatment and reverses when the treatment is stopped. At this point, I do not see what you have to lose. The other thing that has seemed to help is putting 800 micrograms of folic acid in the cat's food. And definitely, absolutely steroids-- preferably a pretty high dose of prednisone or dexamethasone to start. The combination of Epogen and a high dose of prednisone brought Belinda's Bailey from something like a hematocrit of 15 all the way up to 40. I would get her on Epogen right away, and steroids, and if your vet will not try it I would go to another vet, preferably a board-certified internist. An internist could probably also give you more idea what might be causing this, and if lymphoma is likely. Lymphoma can get other treatments. My Simon, when he had anemia, had his hematocrit go up from 11 to 30 pretty quickly from chemotherapy and steroids. He lived about 2 months, with some very good weeks, after that, then died of a hemolytic reaction that made his hematocrit plunge too quickly to have a response. Michelle In a message dated 4/16/2006 5:56:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chelsea got her first ImmunoRegulin shot yesterday. She also had blood drawn, after which she collapsed but later revived. She is still eating but is very weak. Below are the results of her bloodwork, it doesn't look good at all at this point. I'm giving her pet tinic, oral interferon and a product called Feline Immune System Support from Standard Process. The bloodwork showed no Hemobart, should I still ask for Doxycycline? My vet really isn't comfortable with Epogen
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I would think that any cat that collapsed after a blood draw would immediately get a transfusion as a matter of course. Perhaps I missed something coming in late to this topic though I have a huge 18 pound cat now, I'm seriously thinking of putting him on the emergency cat blood donor list for our local emergency clinic, he has the body weight needed to be a good strong donor. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped some wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/313 - Release Date: 4/15/2006
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Cindy, That's wonderful news about Smokey! How long does the vet intend to keep him on Winstrol? I know there are people that treat with equistim, (Immuno Regulin), as a preventative, but because it is a bacteria used to stimulate the immune response, I would think it wouldn't be something that you would want to keep Smokey on indefinitely either. Please tell us more about the protocol you and your vet have chosen for Smokey. Thanks, Nina cindy reasoner wrote: Hi, My Smokey has been on equistim for about 2 months now. He had been tested for felv when I first got him and it was negative but after about a month he started getting fevers. After alot of medications to get the fever down only to have it go back up again the vet decided to check for felv again. This time it was positive. This vet didn't seem to be the best at handling felv+ kitties so I changed vets. The new vet started him on the equistim. The first week I believe he got an injection for 4 or 5 days and now he gets 2 injections a week. He gets them subq. The vet lets me give them to him at home. He also goes to the vet every 2 weeks to get an injection of Winstrol. He has been doing great. He hasn't had a fever since we started him on the equistim. He is gaining weight and has started playing now. He has a great appetite. I hope this helps. Cindy
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Hi, My Smokey has been on equistim for about 2 months now. He had been tested for felv when I first got him and it was negative but after about a month he started getting fevers. After alot of medications to get the fever down only to have it go back up again the vet decided to check for felv again. This time it was positive. This vet didn't seem to be the best at handling felv+ kitties so I changed vets. The new vet started him on the equistim. The first week I believe he got an injection for 4 or 5 days and now he gets 2 injections a week. He gets them subq. The vet lets me give them to him at home. He also goes to the vet every 2 weeks to get an injection of Winstrol. He has been doing great. He hasn't had a fever since we started him on the equistim. He is gaining weight and has started playing now. He has a great appetite. I hope this helps. Cindy --- ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Any advise would be appreciated greatly. One of my 11 month old felv+ cats - Chelsea - who has been on a course of clavamox until a couple of days ago for a slight fever and lethargy has just developed very pale gums. They weren't pale 2 weeks ago when she last saw the vet. I know that pale gums are indicative of anemia. I'm trying to convince a vet to try Immunoregulin. Has anyone had much success with this therapy? Chelsea already gets interferon orally. Thanks, Deanne __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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First thing is to determine what is causing the anemia, giving doxy even when hemobart isn't found is a good idea, hemo is VERY hard to detect and the doxy will almost always take care of it and won't hurt Chelsea if she doesn't have hemo but will save her life if she does. Blood transfusions, and epogen depending onwhat is causing the anemia can really help. Also vitamin B complex and folic acid are needed to build blood. Prednisolone can help if it is similar to what Bailey has. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Hi, Any advise would be appreciated greatly. One of my 11 month old felv+ cats - Chelsea - who has been on a course of clavamox until a couple of days ago for a slight fever and lethargy has just developed very pale gums. They weren't pale 2 weeks ago when she last saw the vet. I know that pale gums are indicative of anemia. I'm trying to convince a vet to try Immunoregulin. Has anyone had much success with this therapy? Chelsea already gets interferon orally. Thanks, Deanne
RE: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
My Tucson had two episodes where her White Blood Count went way DOWN... Vet gave her a series of immuno-regulin and it went back up. She didn't seem to have any major side effects--for her that means she kept on eating in her ususal piggy way (she's a bit of a Porko!) Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ACALA PET ISSUES Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea? Hi, Any advise would be appreciated greatly. One of my 11 month old felv+ cats - Chelsea - who has been on a course of clavamox until a couple of days ago for a slight fever and lethargy has just developed very pale gums. They weren't pale 2 weeks ago when she last saw the vet. I know that pale gums are indicative of anemia. I'm trying to convince a vet to try Immunoregulin. Has anyone had much success with this therapy? Chelsea already gets interferon orally. Thanks, Deanne
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One of our group here in Little Rock has been using immunoregulin, and has good things to say about it. Gloria On Apr 13, 2006, at 5:09 PM, ACALA PET ISSUES wrote: Hi, Any advise would be appreciated greatly. One of my 11 month old felv+ cats - Chelsea - who has been on a course of clavamox until a couple of days ago for a slight fever and lethargy has just developed very pale gums. They weren't pale 2 weeks ago when she last saw the vet. I know that pale gums are indicative of anemia. I'm trying to convince a vet to try Immunoregulin. Has anyone had much success with this therapy? Chelsea already gets interferon orally. Thanks, Deanne
Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Lots of people, including me, have had success with it for URI's, and it is supposed to help with anemia. But those who have gotten good results with anemia, getting blood counts back to normal, have also used Epogen, steroids, folic acid, and various supplements. Look in the archives for the regimens used on Bailey and Bandy. Michelle In a message dated 4/13/2006 6:58:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of our group here in Little Rock has been using immunoregulin, and has good things to say about it.GloriaOn Apr 13, 2006, at 5:09 PM, ACALA PET ISSUES wrote: Hi, Any advise would be appreciated greatly. One of my 11 month old felv+ cats - Chelsea - who has been on a course of clavamox until a couple of days ago for a slight fever and lethargy has just developed very pale gums. They weren't pale 2 weeks ago when she last saw the vet. I know that pale gums are indicative of anemia. I'm trying to convince a vet to try Immunoregulin. Has anyone had much success with this therapy? Chelsea already gets interferon orally. Thanks, Deanne
Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Thanks Nina, I've got a vet appt for Chelsea on Saturday. I'll have them check for Hemobartinella. She didn't have pale gums two weeks ago when she saw a vet for her fever/lethargy. She still has a bounce in her step so I hope that whatever may be causing this, we'll have time to treat it. Deanne From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea? Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:45:38 -0700 Deanne, Do you know what the cause of the anemia is? Did they do any other tests to try to determine why she's anemic, or did they just prescribe the Clavamox to see if it helped? When my Grace developed anemic symptoms, she was put on Clavamox, (or maybe it was Amoxi), at first too. It helped a little, for a little while, but she kept getting weaker. I found a specialty clinic and an Internist that ran several other tests, including one for blood parasites, (Hemobartinella). Even though the test was neg, we put Grace on Doxycycline, (a broader spectrum abx that would help if it was Hemobart). It did help her recover, I guess we'll never really know why. I haven't tried IR, but I've heard really good things from others on the list about it. It sometimes gets to the point where trying something unconventional is worth the risk, when doing nothing is not an option. Prayers that Chelsea turns around quickly. Nina ACALA PET ISSUES wrote: Hi, Any advise would be appreciated greatly. One of my 11 month old felv+ cats - Chelsea - who has been on a course of clavamox until a couple of days ago for a slight fever and lethargy has just developed very pale gums. They weren't pale 2 weeks ago when she last saw the vet. I know that pale gums are indicative of anemia. I'm trying to convince a vet to try Immunoregulin. Has anyone had much success with this therapy? Chelsea already gets interferon orally. Thanks, Deanne
