Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave

[Thomas Schaller]

How I always set it up after system upgrades is to print a Configuration page 
from the printer itself to see what IP address it has on the network.
Then use the HP JetDirect connection type and manually enter that IP address.
That usually does it for me.
Good luck,
Thomas

> On May 5, 2019, at 8:40 AM, Johannes Gebauer  
> wrote:
> 
> I hope there are still some HP 5000 users here...
> 
> I recently upgraded to Macos Mojave, I had been on a much older version 
> (Sierra or High Sierra, cannot remember). Ever since I upgraded I cannot get 
> my HP 5000 to print any more.
> 
> Has anything changed in how it is accessed? Is there anything I can do?
> 
> My HP 5000 is connected via an Ethernet cable to the router, via its J4169A 
> interface, which seems to have the latest firmware. The printer is seen in 
> the add printer control panel as a Bonjour printer. I tried both this and the 
> HP JetDirect - Socket connection.
> 
> I have enabled all available protocols, but the computer doesn't seem to talk 
> to the printer. Nothing gets printed...
> 
> Any ideas?
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Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

[Thomas Schaller]

Craig, would you consider posting PDFs of a score and a part page and show us 
what Dorico produces without having tweaked much?
Personally I’m more interested to see an orchestra piece.

Thanks,
Thomas Schaller

> On Jan 27, 2019, at 8:08 PM, Craig Parmerlee  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it is a big learning curve.  I never really learned Sibelius, and I 
> haven't learned MuseScore, so I can't really compare the size of the learning 
> curve.  My guess is the Dorico learning curve is more difficult for advanced 
> Finale users of long standing:
> 
> 1) Because Dorico is considerably more sophisticated than either Sibelius or 
> MuseScore.
> 2) Because Dorico uses a fundamentally different architecture (notes are 
> abstracted away from the music "canvas" and many operations are driven by a 
> very large set of rules.
> 3) Because of Dorico's rapid development, the documentation simply has not 
> kept pace.
> 
> I have found it necessary to compile my own personal user guide so that I can 
> quickly find my way back to the pertinent options, settings and procedures I 
> rely on.  I do this for most software products just to help me learn them.  
> But in the case of Dorico, I still find myself referring to this document 
> every single session, and I usually add something to the document every day I 
> use the program.  It is now 30 pages long, and that is mostly my own 
> shorthand.  My table of contents has about 50 topics.
> 
> My point is that this really is a major learning commitment, and many Finale 
> users will find they are happier staying with what they know and what is 
> working for them.   Nothing at all wrong with that.
> 
> 
> On 1/26/2019 6:56 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:
>> Craig,
>> 
>> Thank you for sharing these thoughts.  You have made much more progress with 
>> Dorico than I have made, so I didn't feel qualified to respond. But I'm glad 
>> you were able to make the comparisons.
>> 
>> I know that becoming better acquainted with Dorico is in my imminent future, 
>> but most of the projects I've been working on lately have had short 
>> timetables so learning a new software hasn't been possible.
>> 
>> soon . . .
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/26/2019 5:01 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
>>> Here are some observations about each of the plug-in examples.  Let me 
>>> stipulate that the Finale plug-ins might provide some unusual visual 
>>> results that aren't directly matched by Dorico, so I am not claiming 
>>> equivalence on any of these.
>>> 
>>> 1. Copy arbitrary material regardless of barlines, etc.  This is inherent 
>>> in Dorico, and I think you would find this far more productive in Dorico.  
>>> Dorico does not provide any drag-and-drop, but the cut and paste model is 
>>> extremely powerful.  It even allows 1-to-many pasting, and pasting to 
>>> discontinuous staffs and so on.  Also there is a very powerful capability 
>>> where you can select any material, press "R" and it automatically 
>>> duplicates the material placing it immediately to the right of the 
>>> selection, which still expressing everything correctly with no touch-up 
>>> required.
>>> 
>>> 2. Mass relink.  This is inherent in Dorico.  Moreover, Dorico seems to 
>>> make better assumptions about when to automatically reflect score changes 
>>> in parts and vice versa.
>>> 
>>> 3. Autocreate MM rests.  This is always automatic.  You never "create" any 
>>> MM rests.  It is inherent. There are some options for visual appearance.
>>> 
>>> 4. Multiple sets of not spacings.  I am not aware of anything line this in 
>>> Dorico.  Of course you can edit the parts directly to apply any spacing you 
>>> need.
>>> 
>>> 5. Designate certain text as titles. There is only "text" and "system text" 
>>> in Dorico.  There is no hierarchy of text objects, such as an outline mode 
>>> in a word processor.  However, you have a great deal of control over the 
>>> formatting of any text object and you can freely copy and reuse any of your 
>>> text items.  So if you have a text object formatted as a "title", you can 
>>> copy that anywhere else you need a similar title to appear.  Moreover, 
>>> Dorico has a higher level of abstraction for these situations. Your file 
>>> can consist of multiple "flows", which are like movements. And each flow 
>>> can have a title, with options how and when to display those titles.
>>> 
>>> 6. Mass align hairpins. 

Re: [Finale] Beaming 5/16 in One Group

[Thomas Schaller]

That will only give you 5 separate 16th notes.
Normally you would use the Composite Time Sig, but for 5/16th it doesn’t quite 
work.
Normally you would type 1 in the top and then click EDU and type the added 
value of 5 16th notes = 1280
But that doesn’t seem to work.

Workaround is to just have a regular 5/16 time signature and after you have 
input the music, highlight the section and under Utilities select Rebeam-Rebeam 
to Time Signature. Then enter the value of a half note (something bigger than 5 
16th notes). That should give you what you want.

Thomas Schaller


> On Oct 19, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Skjalg Bjørstad  
> wrote:
> 
> Use «Composite Time Signature»> Type 5 in the top left field and 16 below. 
> 
> Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.
> 
>> 19. okt. 2018 kl. 08:39 skrev Giovanni Andreani :
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Is there a way to set the time signature to 5/16 while grouping the five 
>> sixteenths under the same beam, within the Time Signature Tool? Looks like 
>> I’m missing something.
>> 
>> Giovanni
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Giovanni Andreani
>> 
>> www.giovanniandreani.com
>> www.ga-music.com
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale doesn't change key signatures correctly.

[Thomas Schaller]

I believe what’s going on here is Michael going from a minor to a major key (or 
vica versa) - that will produce a cancellation of all current accidentals and 
then restating the new key signature. Easy fix: only use major keys.

Thomas

> On May 10, 2018, at 8:59 PM, Aaron Sherber  wrote:
> 
> I think either Steve is misreading Michael's original post, or I am.
> 
> I read the post as saying that if Michael is going from Eb major to F
> major, for example, he's seeing 3 naturals followed by a single flat. I
> don't believe I've ever seen this behavior, and I can't reproduce it
> currently. That's why I asked if he had a small file that demonstrates the
> issue.
> 
> Aaron.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
> 
>> You will be glad to know that this issue has FINALLY been fixed but only
>> in FIN25. I've lobbied for this for years and it was welcome news to find
>> out they finally gave us the option to control this about a year ago
>> (attached screenshot). The workaround was always painful!
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> From: Finale  on behalf of Michael Edwards <
>> mjedwa...@foxall.com.au>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 12:04 PM
>> To: finale@shsu.edu
>> Subject: [Finale] Finale doesn't change key signatures correctly.
>> 
>> Hallo.
>> 
>>  I have a problem in Finale with changing key signatures.  There
>> are two basic options in Finale for this - to cancel the old key
>> signature (partially or entirely) with naturals before inserting the new
>> one, or just inserting the new one.
>>  I always use the former option for this - the older, traditional
>> method - but Finale usually doesn't do this correctly, and I'm wondering
>> if this is a known problem and if there is anything I can do about it.
>>  As I'm sure most here would know, you cancel the entire old key
>> signature if you go from sharps to flats or vice-versa; but if you go
>> from sharps to a smaller sharp signature or flats to a smaller flat
>> signature, you cancel only the flats or sharps in the old signature that
>> won't be in the new one.  And if you are going from a smaller to a
>> larger signature of the same type, then, and only then, do you have no
>> naturals at all.
>>  However, most of the time, I find that Finale puts in all the
>> naturals for the entire old signature regardless - sometimes even in the
>> last case I mentioned where none are needed.
>>  To make things more complicated, it sometimes seems to do things
>> correctly, which is why I just said "most of the time".  That seems to
>> suggest that there are unknown, invisible circumstances in each
>> situation that govern whether this problem occurs or not.  In a case
>> where it does it incorrectly, though, no amount of tweaking or re-doing
>> it seems to make any difference.
>>  This seems such an obvious problem that I would find it incredible
>> that it has not, over all the years Finale has being going, been noticed
>> and corrected.
>>  (To forestall anyone asking, yes, I have tried different settings
>> in the menu item that controls key signature changes.  It does change
>> some behaviour, but not in a way that is correct according to the normal
>> rules for changing key signatures, as I described above.)
>> 
>>  Is this a known problem, and is there a remedy, please?  Or am I
>> possibly doing something wrong that I just don't know about?
>>  Thank you.
>> 
>>  Michael Edwards.
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Thomas Schaller]

yes I have - I was more referring to copying layouts (note spacing mainly) 
within one part
but will try Robert’s plugin.

If it works as advertised - what will I do with all my spare time??!!
Thomas


On Aug 24, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Jan Angermüller <j...@angermueller.com> wrote:

> Have you tried the "JW Copy Part Layout" plugin for copying layout 
> things between linked parts ?
> http://www.finaletips.nu/index.php/download/category/9-plug-ins-for-windows
> 
> Jan
> 
> 
> 
> Am 24.08.2016 um 15:45 schrieb Thomas Schaller:
>> Robert,
>> deal breaker for me regarding linked parts is that you cannot copy certain 
>> things from measure to measure in linked parts. For instance, I often fine 
>> tune measure layouts in parts and if I have a part that repeats measures 
>> that individual edit cannot be copied to other measures - instead I have to 
>> try to make them look alike. If I remember correctly the same is true for 
>> things like trying to copy a slur shape from one measure to another. That 
>> complicates trying to achieve a professional look tremendously.
>> 
>> Has that been addressed as well?
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas Schaller
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't think 2012 is faster than 25. It may be roughly comparable. Where
>>> 25 really blows away the earlier versions is in starting up human playback.
>>> 
>>> I also wouldn't let the print dialog issues stop you from upgrading. Though
>>> the issues are annoying and glaring, there are workarounds. The actual
>>> print quality is fine. (I'm pretty sure the print dialog issues are Mac
>>> only.)
>>> 
>>> There are a number of significant improvements between Fin12 and Fin25. The
>>> two big ones are 1) beat-attached smart shapes replaced meas-attached smart
>>> shapes. This allows for much more precise placement in both score and
>>> parts. 2) Special tool edits are unlinkable in parts. With these two
>>> changes, linked parts are basically 98% fully functional.
>>> 
>>> Especially on Windows, I would not hesitate to upgrade from Fin12 to Fin25.
>>> 
>>> FWIW: The "2%" that's still missing from linked parts: unlinkable
>>> horizontal offsets for mid-measure clefs, unlinkable vertical offsets for
>>> rests, voiced parts recognize special tools edits, plugin edits in part
>>> view unlink anything that can be unlinked manually.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Christopher Smith <
>>> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> There are complaints in every version. The question is whether you can
>>>> live with them. If 2012 works for you (it won’t install on my new Mac) it
>>>> apparently is quicker than 2014, 2014.5 or v. 25, so you could stick with
>>>> it. The files can be shared with other users of newer versions, and they
>>>> can save in 2012 file format, so that issue is taken care of.
>>>> 
>>>> Christopher
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:08 AM, Martin Nickless <mnnickl...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi from what I've read I definitely won't be upgrading
>>>>> May I ask what the consensus is as to which is the best version of finale
>>>>> I seem to remember many complaints about 2014
>>>>> I'm currently still on finale 2012 using Windows 10
>>>>> Would be good to know
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Thomas Schaller]

alright - I’ll give it a try.
Thanks!
Thomas

On Aug 24, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
wrote:

> Thomas,
> 
> I address both of those issues with plugins. Copying slur shapes is trivial
> with my Mass Copy plugin (both in score and parts). As for spacing, I
> almost never manually modify spacing any more now that I have the Note
> Spacing plugin (part of my plugin suite as well). Probably the number one
> reason Note Spacing is so much better is that it has an option for
> adjusting the spacing between ledger lines. It also has an option for
> adjusting spacing after upstem flags. Even if you don't add any regions to
> the list in Note Spacing, just the ledger line and upstem flags options are
> worth the effort of using it.
> 
> And as long as I'm touting my plugins, another new one I'm so happy with
> (for using myself) is Multimeasure Rests. It automatically adds space for
> clefs, among many other addons to the built-in multimeasure rest options.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Thomas Schaller <tom...@mensuramusic.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Robert,
>> deal breaker for me regarding linked parts is that you cannot copy certain
>> things from measure to measure in linked parts. For instance, I often fine
>> tune measure layouts in parts and if I have a part that repeats measures
>> that individual edit cannot be copied to other measures - instead I have to
>> try to make them look alike. If I remember correctly the same is true for
>> things like trying to copy a slur shape from one measure to another. That
>> complicates trying to achieve a professional look tremendously.
>> 
>> Has that been addressed as well?
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas Schaller
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't think 2012 is faster than 25. It may be roughly comparable. Where
>>> 25 really blows away the earlier versions is in starting up human
>> playback.
>>> 
>>> I also wouldn't let the print dialog issues stop you from upgrading.
>> Though
>>> the issues are annoying and glaring, there are workarounds. The actual
>>> print quality is fine. (I'm pretty sure the print dialog issues are Mac
>>> only.)
>>> 
>>> There are a number of significant improvements between Fin12 and Fin25.
>> The
>>> two big ones are 1) beat-attached smart shapes replaced meas-attached
>> smart
>>> shapes. This allows for much more precise placement in both score and
>>> parts. 2) Special tool edits are unlinkable in parts. With these two
>>> changes, linked parts are basically 98% fully functional.
>>> 
>>> Especially on Windows, I would not hesitate to upgrade from Fin12 to
>> Fin25.
>>> 
>>> FWIW: The "2%" that's still missing from linked parts: unlinkable
>>> horizontal offsets for mid-measure clefs, unlinkable vertical offsets for
>>> rests, voiced parts recognize special tools edits, plugin edits in part
>>> view unlink anything that can be unlinked manually.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Christopher Smith <
>>> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> There are complaints in every version. The question is whether you can
>>>> live with them. If 2012 works for you (it won’t install on my new Mac)
>> it
>>>> apparently is quicker than 2014, 2014.5 or v. 25, so you could stick
>> with
>>>> it. The files can be shared with other users of newer versions, and they
>>>> can save in 2012 file format, so that issue is taken care of.
>>>> 
>>>> Christopher
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:08 AM, Martin Nickless <mnnickl...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi from what I've read I definitely won't be upgrading
>>>>> May I ask what the consensus is as to which is the best version of
>> finale
>>>>> I seem to remember many complaints about 2014
>>>>> I'm currently still on finale 2012 using Windows 10
>>>>> Would be good to know
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Thomas Schaller]

Robert,
deal breaker for me regarding linked parts is that you cannot copy certain 
things from measure to measure in linked parts. For instance, I often fine tune 
measure layouts in parts and if I have a part that repeats measures that 
individual edit cannot be copied to other measures - instead I have to try to 
make them look alike. If I remember correctly the same is true for things like 
trying to copy a slur shape from one measure to another. That complicates 
trying to achieve a professional look tremendously.

Has that been addressed as well? 
Thanks,
Thomas Schaller


On Aug 24, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
wrote:

> I don't think 2012 is faster than 25. It may be roughly comparable. Where
> 25 really blows away the earlier versions is in starting up human playback.
> 
> I also wouldn't let the print dialog issues stop you from upgrading. Though
> the issues are annoying and glaring, there are workarounds. The actual
> print quality is fine. (I'm pretty sure the print dialog issues are Mac
> only.)
> 
> There are a number of significant improvements between Fin12 and Fin25. The
> two big ones are 1) beat-attached smart shapes replaced meas-attached smart
> shapes. This allows for much more precise placement in both score and
> parts. 2) Special tool edits are unlinkable in parts. With these two
> changes, linked parts are basically 98% fully functional.
> 
> Especially on Windows, I would not hesitate to upgrade from Fin12 to Fin25.
> 
> FWIW: The "2%" that's still missing from linked parts: unlinkable
> horizontal offsets for mid-measure clefs, unlinkable vertical offsets for
> rests, voiced parts recognize special tools edits, plugin edits in part
> view unlink anything that can be unlinked manually.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Christopher Smith <
> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>> There are complaints in every version. The question is whether you can
>> live with them. If 2012 works for you (it won’t install on my new Mac) it
>> apparently is quicker than 2014, 2014.5 or v. 25, so you could stick with
>> it. The files can be shared with other users of newer versions, and they
>> can save in 2012 file format, so that issue is taken care of.
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:08 AM, Martin Nickless <mnnickl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi from what I've read I definitely won't be upgrading
>>> May I ask what the consensus is as to which is the best version of finale
>>> I seem to remember many complaints about 2014
>>> I'm currently still on finale 2012 using Windows 10
>>> Would be good to know
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Re: [Finale] Beam Removal

[Thomas Schaller]

You could use Finale’s own Rebeam feature (under Utilities).
Simply select Rebeam to Time Sig and then select something like 16/16 - or 
whatever fits your music.
That should break all beams
Thomas Schaller

On Feb 18, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
wrote:

> Does anyone know of a plugin that removes beams and replaces them with
> flagged notes?
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Re: [Finale] Someone read old German handwriting?

[Thomas Schaller]

that is indeed Langsam in old Kurrentschrift
love those puzzles
:-)

Thomas Schaller

On Jun 25, 2015, at 10:56 AM, David Froom dfr...@smcm.edu wrote:

 Very off topic:
 
 I'm trying to figure out a word, tempo marking, in a Schubert manuscript, the 
 initial tempo marking for Auf dem Flusse from Winterreise.
 
 The manuscript for the first page is here:
 
 http://www.schubert-online.at/activpage/manuskripte_en.php?werke_id=440werkteile_id=image=MH_05391_D911_037.jpggroesse=100aktion=einzelbildbild_id=38
 
 I can see that Schubert crossed out the word Mäßig, but I can't read what he 
 replaced it with. In most of the published editions I can find, it is given 
 as Langsam, but that clearly isn't what he wrote. Sometimes it is given as 
 Mäßig, but that is clearly crossed out. Mäßig appears in an earlier copy in 
 Schubert's hand (also available online through the Morgan library), but this 
 later copy changes that (along with a few other minor things).
 
 Can anyone make out the word?
 
 Thanks,
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[Finale] Shift-Tab for Smart Shapes in 2014

[Thomas Schaller]

Hi guys,
I can't get shift-tabbing to work in smart shapes in 2014 - I use Tab and 
Shift-Tab (reverse direction) often to access quickly the beginning of a 
hairpin to slightly extend or reduce length. 
It seems only regular tabbing (without pressing Shift) works, which means one 
has to cycle through all points of a smart shape to get to the other side.
Anybody else notice that?
Thomas Schaller
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Re: [Finale] Modify/suppress group names?

[Thomas Schaller]

only other way is to select the staff  which is part of a group with the Staff 
Tool and click the menu:
Staff-Groups and Brackets-Remove

unfortunately that will delete ALL group elements of that group (or ALL groups 
that this staff is a part of) - but at least what's before and after won't be 
affected.

Thomas Schaller

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 What is the best way to temporarily hide (or modify) group names on certain 
 score systems?
 
 I know I can change the group attributes for the group in question from All 
 Measures to Measure X through Y but then I have to re-create all the 
 groups following the passage where I want the group names hidden, and that is 
 cumbersome. Is there a better way?
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: [Finale] OT: HP 5000 and Snow Leopard

[Thomas Schaller]

you can print the IP directly from within the printer - hit the Menu button
when it shows INFORMATION MENU hit the Item button (one below Menu) until it 
shows PRINT CONFIGURATION

then see what the printer's IP is and that's what you enter in the IP tab under 
JetDirect

Good luck,
Thomas

On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:05 PM, David SMCM wrote:

 Dear collective wisdom:
 
 I only just updated my Mac to Snow Leopard (10.6).  I was a bit surprised to 
 discover that my trusty and wonderful HP 5000 wasn't automatically found. 
 
 I know many of you are HP 5000 users. 
 
 I have a JetDirect card installed (making this, in essence, an HP 5000n), and 
 am connecting via the Ethernet port. I tried various solutions on the net, 
 but have repeatedly failed to get the system to find the printer. I know the 
 way to do this is via the JetDirect setting in the IP tab of the printer 
 setup.
 
 I think the problem, though, is that the printer thinks its IP number is 
 0.0.0.0.  I can't get that to be anything else...
 
 If anyone knows what to do, please help me!! I want my lovely printer to work 
 again!!!
 
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Re: [Finale] OT: HP 5000 and Snow Leopard

[Thomas Schaller]

works for me with the method described:
hit the Menu button
when it shows INFORMATION MENU hit the Item button (one below Menu) until it 
shows PRINT CONFIGURATION

then see what the printer's IP is and that's what you enter in the IP tab under 
JetDirect

Thomas Schaller

On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:53 PM, JRB wrote:

 I went through this recently. You need to get one of those USB to Centronics 
 or parallel port cords in order for the computer  to see the printer. Forget 
 the jet direct card. 
 
 JB
 Sent from my iPhone using my thumbs w/out a spellchecker
 
 On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:05 PM, David SMCM dfr...@smcm.edu wrote:
 
 Dear collective wisdom:
 
 I only just updated my Mac to Snow Leopard (10.6).  I was a bit surprised to 
 discover that my trusty and wonderful HP 5000 wasn't automatically found. 
 
 I know many of you are HP 5000 users. 
 
 I have a JetDirect card installed (making this, in essence, an HP 5000n), 
 and am connecting via the Ethernet port. I tried various solutions on the 
 net, but have repeatedly failed to get the system to find the printer. I 
 know the way to do this is via the JetDirect setting in the IP tab of the 
 printer setup.
 
 I think the problem, though, is that the printer thinks its IP number is 
 0.0.0.0.  I can't get that to be anything else...
 
 If anyone knows what to do, please help me!! I want my lovely printer to 
 work again!!!
 
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[Finale] Mac 2010 speed issues

[Thomas Schaller]

So I have peeked around to see if others have similar issues, but  
haven't heard much - so maybe some hardware guys  here have some good  
ideas.


I have a nice old Dual G5 (1.8GHz) running 10.4.11, recently upgraded  
to 10.5.8; my video card is a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 with 64MB VRAM.


Only recently I work more in 2010 and it is pretty sluggish on my setup.
I'm flying in 2008, the program always keeps up with my speed. I use  
Quickeys quite a bit.
When I switch to 2010 I find myself having to wait for the program to  
catch up.
Switching tools, screen redraws, etc. - I always have to wait that  
extra fraction of a second, sometimes a big fraction of a second.


Any advice? adding more memory? getting a new machine?

Thanks!
Thomas Schaller
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Re: [Finale] Mac 2010 speed issues

[Thomas Schaller]

definitely helps - thanks Jari!
anybody think that adding memory might also have an effect?

currently I have 2.5GB - I can go to 4GB for $100 - seems easy enough  
if there is some benefit...


Thanks,
Thomas Schaller

On Mar 2, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote:


Thomas Schaller wrote:
So I have peeked around to see if others have similar issues, but  
haven't heard much - so maybe some hardware guys  here have some  
good ideas.
I have a nice old Dual G5 (1.8GHz) running 10.4.11, recently  
upgraded to 10.5.8; my video card is a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 with  
64MB VRAM.
Only recently I work more in 2010 and it is pretty sluggish on my  
setup.
I'm flying in 2008, the program always keeps up with my speed. I  
use Quickeys quite a bit.
When I switch to 2010 I find myself having to wait for the program  
to catch up.
Switching tools, screen redraws, etc. - I always have to wait that  
extra fraction of a second, sometimes a big fraction of a second.

Any advice? adding more memory? getting a new machine?


I guess it has to do with the multi-page display in Page View that  
was introduced in Fin2009. Switch to the old one-page display  
(Looseleaf Style: Current Page Only in Program Options) and see  
if it helps.


Best regards,

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Re: [Finale] Shift optimization?

[Thomas Schaller]

Darcy,

I don't think it's possible what you want .

I think Darcy is asking to copy a range of systems' optimization and  
copy it to a different location - he's not asking to SHIFt  
optimization. I'm afraid you have to do it one-by-one - by the way  
your example below should have read:


...let's say I want to copy the current optimizations for systems  
10-99 and copy them to systems 100-199 (otherwise it does look like  
you want to shift optimization)


Good luck,

Thomas

On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:57 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:

It's TGTool  Layout  Shift System Optimisation. You need version  
2.45, now available on his site. You would shift by 1.


Christopher



On Dec 14, 2007, at 12:16 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:


Hi Robert,

I'm afraid I don't see it. TGTools - Modify - Shift has options  
for Notes, Glissandi, Accis, Widths, and Sixths -- nothing about  
layout.


Cheers,

- Darcy
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On 13 Dec 2007, at 1:44 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:

Not with Staff List Manager. Look at the Shift... menu option. I  
think

it will do what you want.

On Dec 13, 2007 12:37 PM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Using TGTools Staff List Manager, is there any way to take the
optimization settings (including distance between systems, etc).  
from,

a RANGE of systems and copy it to a different range of systems? For
instance, let's say I want to copy the current optimizations for
systems 10-99 and shift them to systems 11-100?

I understand I can take the optimization settings for ONE system  
and

copy them to a range of systems, but that's not what I want.

Cheers,

- Darcy


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Re: [Finale] Articulation Macro Bug

[Thomas Schaller]

if it's a bug, I'm glad it's there - I often have situations where I  
need artics applied to more than one layer. Having to manually switch  
to all layers involved, would add lots of time to the process.


One can always display only one layer and then apply the macro - that  
way you will only get artics in that layer - and if you assign a  
macro for showing layers (with Quickeys for instance), then setting  
that up goes real fast.


My 2 cents,

Thomas Schaller


On Nov 21, 2007, at 11:12 PM, Randolph Peters wrote:

I don't know why I haven't seen this before, but in Finale 2007  
(and probably 2008) if you use the macro method to apply  
articulations, the articulations get attached to notes in every  
layer instead of just the layer you are working on.


I don't believe this is a feature, because previous versions didn't  
behave this way and it isn't a good way to work. (It also  
contradicts the way most other tools work, except Smart Tools.)


To elaborate: In the articulation tool, hold down, say, number 1  
(staccato for me), draw a box around some notes, including notes in  
other layers, and let go. All the notes in all the layers get  
staccatos.


Is this bug well known or reproducible on other systems?

-Randolph Peters

Mac OS 10.5.1
Finale 2007

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Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests

[Thomas Schaller]

make sure to take OFF the general option: extend secondary beams over  
rests




of course it can be done - just do what John wrote before: ONLY  
select 16th note, NOT 8th...

good luck.

On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:55 PM, ThomaStudios wrote:

I know.  But if you can get it to extend an internal 16th beam  
stub, let me know how.  You can ONLY extend the beginning and end  
of a beam set.  Try this:  notate 8th note, 16th rest, 16th note,  
and try to extend the secondary beam from the last 16th note over  
the rest.  Can't be done.


J D  Thomas
ThomaStudios

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In a message dated 9/11/07 1:59:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



The Bean Extension Tool (under Special Tools) will ONLY extend the
end of the beams.  Not the internal, secondary beams.




Not so. When you dbl click the handle, select 16th NOT 8th.



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Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests

[Thomas Schaller]

of course it can be done - just do what John wrote before: ONLY  
select 16th note, NOT 8th...

good luck.

On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:55 PM, ThomaStudios wrote:

I know.  But if you can get it to extend an internal 16th beam  
stub, let me know how.  You can ONLY extend the beginning and end  
of a beam set.  Try this:  notate 8th note, 16th rest, 16th note,  
and try to extend the secondary beam from the last 16th note over  
the rest.  Can't be done.


J D  Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



In a message dated 9/11/07 1:59:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



The Bean Extension Tool (under Special Tools) will ONLY extend the
end of the beams.  Not the internal, secondary beams.




Not so. When you dbl click the handle, select 16th NOT 8th.



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Re: [Finale] Bug?

[Thomas Schaller]

I also had problems loading my spacing libraries into 2K7 - nothing  
would load - MM couldn't explain it either, but they said they would  
look at it.


The work-around for me was to use 2K6, load the library items into a  
blank file. Open that file with 2K7, then make a library - in my case  
a music spacing library - and that library file now is readable by  
any 2K7 file


hope this helps,

Thomas Schaller

On Feb 8, 2007, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I also asked MM why any of the libraries I used/created in Fin2K6  
would

not load (Chord Symbols, Shape Expressions, Shapes, Articulations) in
Fin2K7 but got no response to that question. Very frustrating,  
because I
decided to use a new template (from 2K7) to work on a new piece  
(rather
than what I have done in the past, which is: open an older template  
that I
had customized). SO, I opened up a new 2K7 template, modified and  
tried to
load my customized libraries, and none of them loaded. It just  
blinked at

me when I said Open Library and I'd go to check to see if the
corresponding items were now updated, and see no changes. The  
reason I was
using Fin2K7 template was I had major problems with the playback  
features
(using Garritan) when I opened a Finale doc that had been created  
in an

earlier version that 2K7. (dynamics would not affect some staves,
including hairpins, score and note expressions would have no impact  
on the
dynamic levels on various staves, even when I deleted the existing  
symbols

and replaced them, even when I reset the Velocity of the entire staff
using the midi tool; etc.; I even tried re-entering some of the  
music to
see if that helped. MM did not address these issues in my tech  
request and
I gave up asking, and I gave up using 2K7.) NOTE: I am using a Mac  
G5 Dual
Core 2.0 Ghz with 5.5 GB of ram, and this is the same machine I  
have been

using Fin2K5 and 2K6 on with no issues.


In response to Johannes and Vern:

I also experience this behavior in 2K7, though I find it only mildly
annoying.  There are other problems, and the communication with the
support staff has deteriorated markedly since MM has gone to the web
based system.  It is not only mechanically more difficult to
communicate, but the quality of the responses are sometimes dismally
off the subject, requiring a request that they go back an reread the
submission, so that they understand the question.  This has happened
too often to be an accident, and I can only conclude that the quality
of the support staff has fallen.

I have a problem loading a Document Options library (on a Mac).  When
I load a correctly (I believe) saved library, most of the font
selections are lost - wrong fonts are substituted, requiring me to
correct them and practically destroying the advantage of being able
to load a Document Options Library.  Has anyone else experienced
this?  Could it be some kind of corruption on my system?  I thought
that MM had acknowledged this (on the Mac side), but they now claim
that they were referring to something else, and the communication
with them has become so obtuse that I no longer know what's going on.

Attempts to communicate with MM have become more frustrating than
they are worth.

Chuck


Chuck Israels
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Bellingham, WA 98225-5836
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Re: [Finale] Bug?

[Thomas Schaller]

On Feb 8, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:


On 08.02.2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also asked MM why any of the libraries I used/created in Fin2K6  
would

not load (Chord Symbols, Shape Expressions, Shapes, Articulations) in
Fin2K7 but got no response to that question.



Well, this is old news. To get your libraries updated, load them in  
into a document without libraries in 2k6, save a .mus file. Load  
that into 2k7b and save the libraries.


This has been the same since Finale existed. Libraries were never  
compatible with newer versions, or were they?



they always were compatible. Until 2K7 I was using my 2004 libraries.


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Re: [Finale] FinMac 2007a Measure Width Units Frustration

[Thomas Schaller]

the Document Options isn't enough - you have to go to the menu Edit- 
Measurement Units


don't you love that the good guys at MakeMusic always put things in  
different places with each new version (it used to be under the menu  
Options-Measurement Units) - I think they set themselves a goal to at  
least move 50 items to a different location - so we don't get bored  
in our work - kind of like a crossword puzzle.


I love it

Thomas Schaller

On Jan 30, 2007, at 7:41 PM, Leigh Daniels wrote:


Hello All,

In FinMac 2007a, Edit Measure Attributes only displays the measure
width in inches, even though the Document Options Units is set to  
EVPUs.
Restarting Finale doesn't change this, nor does using a standard  
Finale

template.

Can anyone verify that this is true for them as well?

Does this happen in FinMac 2007 or 2007b?

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Re: [Finale] German question

[Thomas Schaller]

except that there is no geschliessen the past particle is: 
geschlossen.


Sorry

Thomas Schaller

On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:25 PM, Godofredo Romero wrote:

to me it makes more sense the word schliessen -which in german is 
not spelled with to s but with a sign i dont have in my computer but 
that produces the sound of two s-  which, among its many 
acceptations means to close, to conclude, to lock, which is what a 
slur does when it locks or encloses the notes within it. the ge 
before the word is to establish the past participle of the tense in 
which the verve is being used .


gr

Jörg Peltzer wrote:


Andrew Stiller schrieb:

I'm working on a 19th-c. score with instructions in both English and 
German. At one point, the composer cautions that some triplets are 
to be slurred (since the slur on a triplet does not by itself 
necessarily imply that a slur is to be performed), and gives a 
German equivalent that looks like geschlitten. My German 
dictionary says that's not a word, so I've made it geschliffen, 
wh. is sort of odd, but at least fits what I'm seeing on the page.


Query to the German speakers on this list: does geschliffen make 
sense in this context, and if not, what other reading might you 
suggest?


BTW: the composer was a native speaker of German, so that's not the 
problem.


Andrew Stiller
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Hello,

yes makes a kind of sense, geschliffen derives from the word 
schleifen.
But i wouldn`t think that slur is equivalent to schleifen, it's 
more like glissando or portamento.

If the composer is native german, this would make more sense.

greeting
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Re: [Finale] Re Re: Wandering tempo markings

[Thomas Schaller]

are you using individual time signatures on your staves? or are you 
using a pickup measure?

both these things can cause that problem
if you have a pickup measure, then instead of using Finale's old way of 
entering a pickup measure - just use a different time signature for 
that first incomplete measure - for instance: in a 4/4 piece with a 
quarter note pickup: enter a 1/4 time signature for that first measure 
with the option of displaying 4/4 rather than 1/4 (that is an option 
when applying time signatures)


the problem of jumping expressions should disappear - good luck.

Thomas Schaller

On Nov 17, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Fred Hoeptner wrote:



Thank you for the response.  I'll answer your questions. (1) On the 
Expression Selection dialogue box, the note expression option is 
greyed out and thus cannot be selected.  (2) This same problem has 
occured with four different extracted files.  The Data Check option 
provides no clues.


Guess that I'll have to call Make Music and see what they have to say.

Best wishes,
Fred Hoeptner

Fred Hoeptner wrote:


Hi:

On windows Finale 2004, after extracting parts, I need to place the
tempo marking (such as quarter note = 50 - 54) at the beginning of the
extracted parts.  This I can easily do using the expression tool and 
the
Maestro character set.  However, the marking will not stay in place.  
As
I work with the score, it continues to jump progressively farther to 
the
left and finally completely off the screen.  Of course, I can replace 
it
just before printing using the expression tool, but this is a 
nuisance.
Saving with the tempo marking in its correct position is 
ineffective;

when I reopen the file, it has jumped far to the left.  Please, can
anyone help?



I've never run into this problem.  When you enter it as an expression,
are you placing it as a note-attached expression, or measure-attached?

I wish I had run into this problem so I could offer you concrete
suggestions.

Try placing the expression in an otherwise blank file and see if it 
does

the same thing.  If it stays put, then something is corrupted in the
file where it constantly moves around.

You might also try the Data-Check option on the file where it moves and
see if it finds anything to correct.  That might help.

Good luck!


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Re: [Finale] Problem Opening .mus Attachments

[Thomas Schaller]

Neal Gittleman wrote:

 Greetings...
 
 FinMac2004c, System 10.3.6 on a PowerBook G4...
 
 I'm receiving an arranger's work as e-mail attachments (files are .mus
 files made in 2004).  When I try to open the files I get this message
 
 While attempting to access [file name] the File Manager repoerted an
 error.  Finale - Error occurred. ID = -12
 
 Any suggestions?
 
 ng

are you getting this message when you open the files or when you try to save
them?

if it's the latter, then try the Save As.. command instead of simply saving
them.

if it happens when you open them, I'd suggest that the person compact the
file first with something like StuffIt or ZipIt and then e-mail it.


Thomas Schaller

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[Finale] Switching fonts in eps file

[Thomas Schaller]

Hi,

I have a bunch of eps files that need a different music font - is there a
quick good way to go into these eps files and change one font to another?
Changing the font in the Finale files is not an option, because they are
lost.
I'm on Mac, system 9 or 10.

Thanks,

Thomas Schaller

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Re: [Finale] FinMac2004c A Few Bugs

[Thomas Schaller]

Tobias Giesen wrote:

 Page setup is now lost in extracted part files and is coming out as a
 default US letter size. This always used to be retained as the last
 'saved' page setup in the score/extract file and would come out in all
 the parts then extracted from that file.
 
 Are you sure that you specified the page format correctly in the Page Format
 for
 PARTS dialog? From your above wording, this is not clear and it appears that
 you
 simply entered the page format for extracted parts into the wrong dialog.
 
 Cheers,
 Tobias

I think you guys are talking about 2 different things - he means Page Setup,
for printing purposes and NOT the page size in the Parts format dialogue
box.

And yes, I can confirm that bug - happened to me too: Page Setup defaults to
USLetter (I had Tabloid in my score file that I extracted).


Thomas Schaller

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