Re: [Finale] voices vs layers
Don Is that as straight forward as it sounds? I'll give it a try! Thanks. GJB From: Don Hart donhartmu...@gmail.com To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] voices vs layers Hi Gerald, I recently started using expressions with hidden text to trigger pizz and arco, and it even works with spacebar/click playback. It's been very helpful not waiting for HP to load each time I want to hear how a small snippet of pizz or arco texture works in a score. Don Hart On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:46 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote: Another reason to utilize voices is because of midi commands such as pizz. and arco. Layers are useful for differentiating between arco and pizz. without having to always playback from measure 1. Voices become essential in that case to avoid snarling the procedure. GJB From: Brian Williams br...@barisax.net To: Finale Mailing List finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] voices vs layers I use voices all the time, especially in the following situations: 1) Importing MIDI files that have divisis within tracks (MIDI import doesn't support divisis in layers, only voices) 2) Entering drum set parts that have stems up/stems down notation on just a beat or two in a measure, or if I want to keep everything in one layer so that I can apply an alternate notation staff style and still hear playback. 3) Situations where I want to have a divisi on just a beat or two in a measure. This happens most frequently in orchestral string staves. 4) Stem up/stem down divisis where the rests are in common but the notes are different (only in versions prior to Finale 2014, which is the first version that lines up common rests between different layers) I haven't had any problems at all with entering, editing or deleting music in different voices, and I've become rather adept with the apostrophe key in Speedy Entry. There's a little indicator in the corner of the Speedy frame that tells you exactly the voice in which you are working, so it's quite easy to use. Another cool thing about voices is that you can control the vertical position of rests entered in voice 2 with the cursor position when you enter them. -Brian Williams On 2/2/15, 10:00 AM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:48:30 +0100 From: SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com Subject: [Finale] voices vs layers To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: p06240851d0f5680d6251@[192.168.1.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed i remember hating using voices (as opposed to separate layers) but thought i would try it out again and find i still hate it. is there some amazing advantage of using voices that i am simply not aware of? i find it a total pain to use and obviously there is no way of seeing which music (stems up/dpwn) are in which voice when returning to voice-entered measures later. trying to edit or erase causes ridiculous behaviour (5-dotted 8th) or requires me to enter the measure from scratch again. this makes me wonder about the stability of this thing when upgrading to a new version. is it just me? or do voices really suck as badly as i feel right this moment? thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] voices vs layers
Another reason to utilize voices is because of midi commands such as pizz. and arco. Layers are useful for differentiating between arco and pizz. without having to always playback from measure 1. Voices become essential in that case to avoid snarling the procedure. GJB From: Brian Williams br...@barisax.net To: Finale Mailing List finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] voices vs layers I use voices all the time, especially in the following situations: 1) Importing MIDI files that have divisis within tracks (MIDI import doesn't support divisis in layers, only voices) 2) Entering drum set parts that have stems up/stems down notation on just a beat or two in a measure, or if I want to keep everything in one layer so that I can apply an alternate notation staff style and still hear playback. 3) Situations where I want to have a divisi on just a beat or two in a measure. This happens most frequently in orchestral string staves. 4) Stem up/stem down divisis where the rests are in common but the notes are different (only in versions prior to Finale 2014, which is the first version that lines up common rests between different layers) I haven't had any problems at all with entering, editing or deleting music in different voices, and I've become rather adept with the apostrophe key in Speedy Entry. There's a little indicator in the corner of the Speedy frame that tells you exactly the voice in which you are working, so it's quite easy to use. Another cool thing about voices is that you can control the vertical position of rests entered in voice 2 with the cursor position when you enter them. -Brian Williams On 2/2/15, 10:00 AM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:48:30 +0100 From: SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com Subject: [Finale] voices vs layers To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: p06240851d0f5680d6251@[192.168.1.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed i remember hating using voices (as opposed to separate layers) but thought i would try it out again and find i still hate it. is there some amazing advantage of using voices that i am simply not aware of? i find it a total pain to use and obviously there is no way of seeing which music (stems up/dpwn) are in which voice when returning to voice-entered measures later. trying to edit or erase causes ridiculous behaviour (5-dotted 8th) or requires me to enter the measure from scratch again. this makes me wonder about the stability of this thing when upgrading to a new version. is it just me? or do voices really suck as badly as i feel right this moment? thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] voices vs layers
Hi Jef, Weird, but as designed, I believe. I may be able to help you make some sense of it. The suggested implementation of v1/v2 is for the v2 note(s) not to be a greater cumulative rhythmic value than the v1 note they are launched from. The terminology from early documentation was (I believe) v2 notes should be in the realm of their v1 notes. So, if I had a half note in one voice, and a dotted quarter and 8th in the other, I would make the half note v1 and the dq+8th v2. The main reason for this is stem direction, which I'll get to in a bit. In each of your examples you launched v2 from a v1 quarter note and exceeded that realm by the 2nd beat of the measure. Not a terrible problem in a simple example like this, or until you see how you are able to control stem direction. I didn't explain it very well earlier, but the cursor position does dictate stem direction of both v1 and v2. Its position in relation to the v1 note is the key: below v1 and v2 will be stems down; above v1 and v2 will be stem up; in each instance, the v1 stems will flip automatically if needed. In your two examples I would usually opt for layers, but using voices, with 4 quarters in each voice, proper stem direction would be easiest to achieve by launching each v2 quarter from the realm of the quarter with which it shares a beat, and when launching, positioning the cursor below E in example #1, and above B in example #2. In example #1 the E down stem flips up when the v2 B is entered. If you continue entering the remainder of v2 in the realm of the E on beat 1, the v1 Es on beats 2, 3 4 will not flip up. (This stem behavior is not documented on the page I found on line in the 2011 manual.) Play with it some--it might come in useful One caveat I should mention is that some seconds are not spaced properly. In that case, thank God for layers! :) Best, Don On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:18 PM, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: hi don, makes sense i suppose mainly for smaller fragments. the score i am curently working on has 2 layters/voices both full measure, maybe this is part of the reason i find it frustrating. in a few instances with just a beat or something split in voices i found it easier to manage. i don't see the behaviour you mention for stem up/down. the behaviour seems to be that voice 2 has to be the higher one: - v2, when entered higher than v1, will have all stems up for the entire v2 passage - v2, when entered lower than v1, will have stems up only for the first beat of v1 e.g. enter: 1) v1 E5 for 4 quarters (stems are down by default) 2) v2 B5 for 4 quarters = 4 B's 4 stems up; 4 E's stems down but enter: 1) v1 B5 for 4 quarters (stems are down by default) 2) v2 E5 for 4 quarters = B on 1st beat stem up, 3 other B's stems down; 4 E's stems down weird. no? cheers, jef I use probably voicees more than layers. They're great for partial measures. I always put the larger note value in voice one and the smaller values in voice two, so it's easy to come back and figure out which is which. The stem direction is very predictable: put the cursor below the note and the stem goes down, above the note and it goes up. Editing can be tricky at times; I guess I've gotten used to it though. -- NEW RELEASE!!! neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts shirling neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + translation + arts management [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] voices vs layers
Hi Gerald, I recently started using expressions with hidden text to trigger pizz and arco, and it even works with spacebar/click playback. It's been very helpful not waiting for HP to load each time I want to hear how a small snippet of pizz or arco texture works in a score. Don Hart On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:46 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote: Another reason to utilize voices is because of midi commands such as pizz. and arco. Layers are useful for differentiating between arco and pizz. without having to always playback from measure 1. Voices become essential in that case to avoid snarling the procedure. GJB From: Brian Williams br...@barisax.net To: Finale Mailing List finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] voices vs layers I use voices all the time, especially in the following situations: 1) Importing MIDI files that have divisis within tracks (MIDI import doesn't support divisis in layers, only voices) 2) Entering drum set parts that have stems up/stems down notation on just a beat or two in a measure, or if I want to keep everything in one layer so that I can apply an alternate notation staff style and still hear playback. 3) Situations where I want to have a divisi on just a beat or two in a measure. This happens most frequently in orchestral string staves. 4) Stem up/stem down divisis where the rests are in common but the notes are different (only in versions prior to Finale 2014, which is the first version that lines up common rests between different layers) I haven't had any problems at all with entering, editing or deleting music in different voices, and I've become rather adept with the apostrophe key in Speedy Entry. There's a little indicator in the corner of the Speedy frame that tells you exactly the voice in which you are working, so it's quite easy to use. Another cool thing about voices is that you can control the vertical position of rests entered in voice 2 with the cursor position when you enter them. -Brian Williams On 2/2/15, 10:00 AM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:48:30 +0100 From: SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com Subject: [Finale] voices vs layers To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: p06240851d0f5680d6251@[192.168.1.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed i remember hating using voices (as opposed to separate layers) but thought i would try it out again and find i still hate it. is there some amazing advantage of using voices that i am simply not aware of? i find it a total pain to use and obviously there is no way of seeing which music (stems up/dpwn) are in which voice when returning to voice-entered measures later. trying to edit or erase causes ridiculous behaviour (5-dotted 8th) or requires me to enter the measure from scratch again. this makes me wonder about the stability of this thing when upgrading to a new version. is it just me? or do voices really suck as badly as i feel right this moment? thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] voices vs layers
On Mon, February 2, 2015 12:48 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote: is it just me? or do voices really suck as badly as i feel right this moment? What everyone else said so far. Plus, I do a lot of scratch demos for me and others. Voices are very fast in that you can switch and never ever ever EVER have to deal with how horribly layers work, adding all those useless rests that have to be hidden in one layer and repositioned in another. The follow-up work to layers is far more annoying to me than just switching voices for a few beats. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] voices vs layers
jef, as you probably know voices predate layers, and they have the feel of a legacy feature. (some newer features seem to be ignorant of voices.) i nevertheless find them to be useful in certain circumstances. a few that come to mind are: 1. splitting into 2 voices for just a beat or two. using voices instead of layers allows me not to have to freeze stems, slurs, ties, artic, etc. in other parts of the measure. 2. showing 2 parts on a cue. in this case, layers are off-limits if you care about playback, so i use v1/v2 to show the 2 parts both in layer 4. (usually i only encounter this issue in a single transitional bar.) 3. sometimes in contrapuntal keyboard music layers aren't enough. or it is easier to put the extra notes in voices rather than using a third or fourth layer. 4. voices can be handy if there are ties over the barline from double to single line or vice versa. oh i don't understand how you use this keyboard with no caps! On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:48 AM, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: i remember hating using voices (as opposed to separate layers) but thought i would try it out again and find i still hate it. is there some amazing advantage of using voices that i am simply not aware of? i find it a total pain to use and obviously there is no way of seeing which music (stems up/dpwn) are in which voice when returning to voice-entered measures later. trying to edit or erase causes ridiculous behaviour (5-dotted 8th) or requires me to enter the measure from scratch again. this makes me wonder about the stability of this thing when upgrading to a new version. is it just me? or do voices really suck as badly as i feel right this moment? thanks. -- NEW RELEASE!!! neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts shirling neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + translation + arts management [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] voices vs layers
I use probably voicees more than layers. They're great for partial measures. I always put the larger note value in voice one and the smaller values in voice two, so it's easy to come back and figure out which is which. The stem direction is very predictable: put the cursor below the note and the stem goes down, above the note and it goes up. Editing can be tricky at times; I guess I've gotten used to it though. Away from my office and replying on my phone now. Let me know if you have any other questions I'll be glad to help. Don Hart On Monday, February 2, 2015, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: i remember hating using voices (as opposed to separate layers) but thought i would try it out again and find i still hate it. is there some amazing advantage of using voices that i am simply not aware of? i find it a total pain to use and obviously there is no way of seeing which music (stems up/dpwn) are in which voice when returning to voice-entered measures later. trying to edit or erase causes ridiculous behaviour (5-dotted 8th) or requires me to enter the measure from scratch again. this makes me wonder about the stability of this thing when upgrading to a new version. is it just me? or do voices really suck as badly as i feel right this moment? thanks. -- NEW RELEASE!!! neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts shirling neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + translation + arts management [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu javascript:; https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu javascript:; ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] voices vs layers
i remember hating using voices (as opposed to separate layers) but thought i would try it out again and find i still hate it. is there some amazing advantage of using voices that i am simply not aware of? i find it a total pain to use and obviously there is no way of seeing which music (stems up/dpwn) are in which voice when returning to voice-entered measures later. trying to edit or erase causes ridiculous behaviour (5-dotted 8th) or requires me to enter the measure from scratch again. this makes me wonder about the stability of this thing when upgrading to a new version. is it just me? or do voices really suck as badly as i feel right this moment? thanks. -- NEW RELEASE!!! neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts shirling neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + translation + arts management [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] voices vs layers
hi don, makes sense i suppose mainly for smaller fragments. the score i am curently working on has 2 layters/voices both full measure, maybe this is part of the reason i find it frustrating. in a few instances with just a beat or something split in voices i found it easier to manage. i don't see the behaviour you mention for stem up/down. the behaviour seems to be that voice 2 has to be the higher one: - v2, when entered higher than v1, will have all stems up for the entire v2 passage - v2, when entered lower than v1, will have stems up only for the first beat of v1 e.g. enter: 1) v1 E5 for 4 quarters (stems are down by default) 2) v2 B5 for 4 quarters = 4 B's 4 stems up; 4 E's stems down but enter: 1) v1 B5 for 4 quarters (stems are down by default) 2) v2 E5 for 4 quarters = B on 1st beat stem up, 3 other B's stems down; 4 E's stems down weird. no? cheers, jef I use probably voicees more than layers. They're great for partial measures. I always put the larger note value in voice one and the smaller values in voice two, so it's easy to come back and figure out which is which. The stem direction is very predictable: put the cursor below the note and the stem goes down, above the note and it goes up. Editing can be tricky at times; I guess I've gotten used to it though. -- NEW RELEASE!!! neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts shirling neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + translation + arts management [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] voices vs layers
hey robert, thanks. 1. splitting into 2 voices for just a beat or two. using voices instead of layers allows me not to have to freeze stems, slurs, ties, artic, etc. in other parts of the measure. i find in most circumstances that it is easier to effortlessly do note entry and control the end result using layers, so i accept the bits of twiddling i need to do, that way i can always see what music is in what layer, etc. also, i have articulations set up for stem-side (don't lie the default behaviour/positioning of auto-flip) -- plus i almost never do orch parts combined in one staff ;-) (where i could see this being very useful) 2. showing 2 parts on a cue ah, true, that is one that could eventually be useful to me 3. sometimes in contrapuntal keyboard music layers aren't enough. yeah i don't mind messing with 4 layers in keyboard parts if it means avoiding this devil feature 4. voices can be handy if there are ties over the barline from double to single line or vice versa. suppose, guess i am just not coming across things they could be so useful for that it is wirth the hassle. oh i don't understand how you use this keyboard with no caps! it's all about spd, man. and sound... i need the constant barrage of my fingers glide-pounding on the keyboard and get nervous when there is too much dead air :P -- NEW RELEASE!!! neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts shirling neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + translation + arts management [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] voices vs layers
jef, another reason for you in particular to use voices to the max is that v1/v2 share the same frame. i seem to recall you run out of frames. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:06 PM, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: hey robert, thanks. 1. splitting into 2 voices for just a beat or two. using voices instead of layers allows me not to have to freeze stems, slurs, ties, artic, etc. in other parts of the measure. i find in most circumstances that it is easier to effortlessly do note entry and control the end result using layers, so i accept the bits of twiddling i need to do, that way i can always see what music is in what layer, etc. also, i have articulations set up for stem-side (don't lie the default behaviour/positioning of auto-flip) -- plus i almost never do orch parts combined in one staff ;-) (where i could see this being very useful) 2. showing 2 parts on a cue ah, true, that is one that could eventually be useful to me 3. sometimes in contrapuntal keyboard music layers aren't enough. yeah i don't mind messing with 4 layers in keyboard parts if it means avoiding this devil feature 4. voices can be handy if there are ties over the barline from double to single line or vice versa. suppose, guess i am just not coming across things they could be so useful for that it is wirth the hassle. oh i don't understand how you use this keyboard with no caps! it's all about spd, man. and sound... i need the constant barrage of my fingers glide-pounding on the keyboard and get nervous when there is too much dead air :P -- NEW RELEASE!!! neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts shirling neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + translation + arts management [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] voices vs layers
I use voices all the time, especially in the following situations: 1) Importing MIDI files that have divisis within tracks (MIDI import doesn't support divisis in layers, only voices) 2) Entering drum set parts that have stems up/stems down notation on just a beat or two in a measure, or if I want to keep everything in one layer so that I can apply an alternate notation staff style and still hear playback. 3) Situations where I want to have a divisi on just a beat or two in a measure. This happens most frequently in orchestral string staves. 4) Stem up/stem down divisis where the rests are in common but the notes are different (only in versions prior to Finale 2014, which is the first version that lines up common rests between different layers) I haven't had any problems at all with entering, editing or deleting music in different voices, and I've become rather adept with the apostrophe key in Speedy Entry. There's a little indicator in the corner of the Speedy frame that tells you exactly the voice in which you are working, so it's quite easy to use. Another cool thing about voices is that you can control the vertical position of rests entered in voice 2 with the cursor position when you enter them. -Brian Williams On 2/2/15, 10:00 AM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:48:30 +0100 From: SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com Subject: [Finale] voices vs layers To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: p06240851d0f5680d6251@[192.168.1.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed i remember hating using voices (as opposed to separate layers) but thought i would try it out again and find i still hate it. is there some amazing advantage of using voices that i am simply not aware of? i find it a total pain to use and obviously there is no way of seeing which music (stems up/dpwn) are in which voice when returning to voice-entered measures later. trying to edit or erase causes ridiculous behaviour (5-dotted 8th) or requires me to enter the measure from scratch again. this makes me wonder about the stability of this thing when upgrading to a new version. is it just me? or do voices really suck as badly as i feel right this moment? thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Voices vs. Layers
On 24 Mar 2006 at 21:28, Brian Williams wrote: Does anyone else use voices instead of layers in most single-bar rhythmically-independent divisi situations? Yes -- I'm one of the ones who also think that the use of layers is recommended on this list way too often. That said, any time there really are two independent voices in a staff, I use layers. But for the kinds of voices that come and go in keyboard music, voices make much more sense and are far easier to work with. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Voices vs. Layers
At 05:31 PM 3/25/06 -0500, David W. Fenton wrote: That said, any time there really are two independent voices in a staff, I use layers. But for the kinds of voices that come and go in keyboard music, voices make much more sense and are far easier to work with. I'm in complete agreement. Voices that come and go in keyboard music is exactly the phrase that describes situation where voices do the job perfectly. (Compositionally I'm not a big fan of voices coming going, but a lot of engraving work that comes my way doesn't hold to discrete voices.) Dennis -- Please participate in my latest project: http://maltedmedia.com/waam/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Voices vs. Layers
Does anyone else use voices instead of layers in most single-bar rhythmically-independent divisi situations? The advantages of voices over layers are: 1) common rests remain centered in the measure 2) independent rests can be placed on-the-fly depending on where the cursor is when you launch the second voice 3) ties, slurs and articulations behave the same way they do in layers With these advantages, I'm surprised at how many Finale users prefer to use layers when they could be using voices -- which are way more efficient in most divisi situations (especially in percussion and drum parts). Brian Williams ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Voices vs. Layers
One big disadvantage (for me, at least): Display active layer only makes it very easy to copy material from one layer only to another staff, etc. This is not possible when using voices. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 25 Mar 2006, at 12:28 AM, Brian Williams wrote: Does anyone else use voices instead of layers in most single-bar rhythmically-independent divisi situations? The advantages of voices over layers are: 1) common rests remain centered in the measure 2) independent rests can be placed on-the-fly depending on where the cursor is when you launch the second voice 3) ties, slurs and articulations behave the same way they do in layers With these advantages, I'm surprised at how many Finale users prefer to use layers when they could be using voices -- which are way more efficient in most divisi situations (especially in percussion and drum parts). Brian Williams ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Voices vs. Layers
On Mar 24, 2006, at 9:28 PM, Brian Williams wrote: With these advantages, I'm surprised at how many Finale users prefer to use layers when they could be using voices -- which are way more efficient in most divisi situations (especially in percussion and drum parts). For me, the difference was always conceptual. If musically it felt like two separate lines occupying a single staff (which was most of the time, but not quite all), I'd use layers; if musically it felt like a single part that happens to have divergent rhythms for a while (as occasionally happens in a piano part), I'd use voices. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
