RE: [Finale] Slightly OT: HP 5si MX printers
So far, so good with the 5si MX and FInale--LOVE the booklet printing 2-up on 11x17!! On eBay, I was able to score: 1. 96 megs of RAM for $15 buy it now--so now have an even 100 megs 2. A paper pickup mechanism for $20--man, is that thing complex looking!! 3. Another duplexer for $22--haven't received it yet, but with all the talk here about running through duplexers, I thought I better nab one. Ironically, I was the only bidder. So..I guess I'm good to go for the long haul, eh? Thanx to all for the tips and the helpful info in your posts. Jim winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: HP 5si MX printers
Radio Shack makes a simple cleaning fluid that works pretty well. It is work a try. On Dec 1, 2005, at 6:31 PM, Ken Moore wrote: When you defrost your freezer, melting the ice that has collected within it gives you distilled water, good enough for some purposes (e.g. steam irons). Frost-free fridge... Yeah, I know, I could walk around the corner and buy distilled water just about anywhere--but I'm used to methyl alcohol as the all-purpose cleaner for delicate mechanisms, and it never gave me any problems. One of its good points is its volatility: I can clean off those rollers and immediately go back to printing. I imagine that water, distilled or not, would take hours to evaporate from the underside of the roller mechanism. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: HP 5si MX printers
You need to order a maintenance kit. For the larger printers, such as the 5Si, you need to periodically replace some of the key components which come as a kit. I forget the exact name, but you can special order these things from places like CompUSA and on the web. The 5Si will also have a message in the LCD display saying that there is maintenance required. Christopher Smith wrote: On Nov 30, 2005, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: I suspect your problem is w. the duplexer itself and not the paper. My HP Laserjet 5000N is now on its third duplexer--they just wear out fast, and the symptom is paper jams, first on legal size, then on tabloid (~A3) finally on letter (~A4). A good temporary fix is to thoroughly clean the rollers near the jamming point with rubbing alcohol. Rubbing alcohol? Isn't that not recommended for rubber parts, as it dries them out and makes them less effective? All the poop I've ever seen on this says to use distilled water for rubber parts. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: HP 5si MX printers
On Dec 1, 2005, at 6:31 PM, Ken Moore wrote: When you defrost your freezer, melting the ice that has collected within it gives you distilled water, good enough for some purposes (e.g. steam irons). Frost-free fridge... Yeah, I know, I could walk around the corner and buy distilled water just about anywhere--but I'm used to methyl alcohol as the all-purpose cleaner for delicate mechanisms, and it never gave me any problems. One of its good points is its volatility: I can clean off those rollers and immediately go back to printing. I imagine that water, distilled or not, would take hours to evaporate from the underside of the roller mechanism. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: HP 5si MX printers
On Nov 30, 2005, at 2:12 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Rubbing alcohol? Isn't that not recommended for rubber parts, as it dries them out and makes them less effective? All the poop I've ever seen on this says to use distilled water for rubber parts. I'm sure you're right--but HP's manual sez I shouldn't touch the interior w. anything but a dry, lint-free cloth. The depth of cleaning that seems to be required to keep my duplexer running is, I suspect ,more than distilled water (wh. I do not have around the house in any event) would provide. I should emphasize that I don't clean the rollers this way until they start giving me trouble, and that using alcohol thereafter actually extends the life of the duplexer--and dramatically so. I confess, too, that I use alcohol because my first laser-printer's manual actually recommended using alcohol to clean the rollers! --Andrew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: HP 5si MX printers
On Dec 1, 2005, at 4:22 AM, dc wrote: Jonathan Smith écrit: One thing I have discovered with the duplexing side: The main cause of jams appears to come from the rollers that feed out of the heat exchange roller (this is just as they come out of the back of the machine proper and go into the duplexer) and then the pick up rollers from the top of the duplexer (under the lift up lid part) and round the 180° bend at the back of the duplexer. I find that by regular cleaning of these rollers with an alcohol based cleaner makes the whole thing work a lot smoother for a few thousand copies. Exactly my problem, and my solution. When you see how complex these duplexers are it isn't any wonder they break down! But as they charge such a high price for them in the first place it seems grossly unfair to the consumer. HP no longer manufactures the duplexer for the 5000 series. The one I currently have was purchased on E-bay, and I anticipate that when it wears out no further ones will be available. At that point I'll have to sell my otherwise still wonderful printer and buy a new model with current duplexer support. Actually, there is no real paper jam: the paper just doesn't get fed into the mechanism and folds up accordion-wise. Why is that not a jam? The only difference I can see is that the crumpled-up paper sticks out of the machine, where you can see it. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: HP 5si MX printers
Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account écrit: My duplexer has run into problems - I can't duplex without paper jams. However that may be a function of the paper itself (HP paper manufactured in Brazil... I hope that it doesn't come from the Amazon). I also have frequent paper jams when I duplex A3 on a HP 8150. Does anyone have recommandations for non-jamming-A3 paper available in Europe? Dennis My s/h HP 5SI MX came with a duplexer and it works great, I've done loads of double sided copies with no problems. It is quite loud though, so, working from home, I try not to use it at night! -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: HP 5si MX printers
Simon Troup écrit: My s/h HP 5SI MX came with a duplexer and it works great, I've done loads of double sided copies with no problems. What kind of A3 paper do you use? Dennis I'm just using generic Logic 300 80gsm for proofing of 12 x 9 concert size at 100% by ourselves and clients etc, it doesn't ever have to be used on stands or anything. -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: HP 5si MX printers
Simon Troup écrit: My s/h HP 5SI MX came with a duplexer and it works great, I've done loads of double sided copies with no problems. What kind of A3 paper do you use? Dennis I'm just using generic Logic 300 80gsm for proofing of 12 x 9 concert size at 100% by ourselves and clients etc, it doesn't ever have to be used on stands or anything. Sorry Dennis, I speed read your question. Are you sure it's the paper? I've only ever used 80gsm, I tried to source some heavier A3 at a reasonable price a while back and it all seemed outrageously overpriced. What weight are you using there? Maybe I should buy a few sheets of heavy from a repro house to test before I go and buy loads of the stuff! -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: HP 5si MX printers
On Nov 30, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Simon Troup wrote: Simon Troup écrit: My s/h HP 5SI MX came with a duplexer and it works great, I've done loads of double sided copies with no problems. What kind of A3 paper do you use? Dennis I'm just using generic Logic 300 80gsm for proofing of 12 x 9 concert size at 100% by ourselves and clients etc, it doesn't ever have to be used on stands or anything. Sorry Dennis, I speed read your question. Are you sure it's the paper? I've only ever used 80gsm, I tried to source some heavier A3 at a reasonable price a while back and it all seemed outrageously overpriced. What weight are you using there? Maybe I should buy a few sheets of heavy from a repro house to test before I go and buy loads of the stuff! My understanding is that most of the HP printers can only handle heavy paper if it is fed through the straight path (utility tray) and output through the back, rather than out the normal tray. My secondhand HP 5100 is certainly like this. I have the duplexer, but it is useless if I want to print to heavyweight paper, as it chokes mercilessly on it. I can resort to manual duplex if I need it, but if I had known that before I might have saved myself a bundle on the duplexer, which is only good with regular-weight paper. I can't even use a normal feed tray with my heavy part paper; I have to feed it straight in through the front. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: HP 5si MX printers
On Nov 30, 2005, at 7:19 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: My understanding is that most of the HP printers can only handle heavy paper if it is fed through the straight path (utility tray) and output through the back, rather than out the normal tray. My secondhand HP 5100 is certainly like this. I have the duplexer, but it is useless if I want to print to heavyweight paper, as it chokes mercilessly on it. I can resort to manual duplex if I need it, but if I had known that before I might have saved myself a bundle on the duplexer, which is only good with regular-weight paper. I can't even use a normal feed tray with my heavy part paper; I have to feed it straight in through the front. This has been my experience as well - on an HP 5000N. Even medium weight letter size paper will jam often in the duplexer. It works pretty well with lighter stock. Heavy paper works fine from the utility tray. I use that all the time for 9.5 x 12.5 inch heavy paper for parts without a problem. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: HP 5si MX printers
Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account écrit: My duplexer has run into problems - I can't duplex without paper jams. However that may be a function of the paper itself (HP paper manufactured in Brazil... I hope that it doesn't come from the Amazon). I suspect your problem is w. the duplexer itself and not the paper. My HP Laserjet 5000N is now on its third duplexer--they just wear out fast, and the symptom is paper jams, first on legal size, then on tabloid (~A3) finally on letter (~A4). A good temporary fix is to thoroughly clean the rollers near the jamming point with rubbing alcohol. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: HP 5si MX printers
On Nov 30, 2005, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: I suspect your problem is w. the duplexer itself and not the paper. My HP Laserjet 5000N is now on its third duplexer--they just wear out fast, and the symptom is paper jams, first on legal size, then on tabloid (~A3) finally on letter (~A4). A good temporary fix is to thoroughly clean the rollers near the jamming point with rubbing alcohol. Rubbing alcohol? Isn't that not recommended for rubber parts, as it dries them out and makes them less effective? All the poop I've ever seen on this says to use distilled water for rubber parts. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: HP 5si MX printers
Jim Williams wrote: I just got one of these printers from a used printer warehouse in Indianapolis. I've gotten it to work flawlessly with Finale in terms of two-sided printing and booklet printing, but I do have a few questions. Since I note that several of you use this printer, I thought I'd ask here: 1. The printer appears to be vintage 1997 or so. I paid $375 for it with the duplexer and an extra toner cartridge. Did I do OK or was I overcharged? I am now on my second HP5si. They're a really good, reliable printer. My previous one had done over 900 000 copies before giving up the ghost - well, it may have been serviceable but it's not much more expensive to get a replacement unit now. Maybe your service costs are cheaper in the US. Considering the toner cartridge costs $$, your price is probably about right. Did it come with a lot of RAM? I bumped mine up to 44MB or so and now it will do A3 double sided at 600 dpi. 3. What sorts of problems have you had with your 5si MX? What issues should I know about, or what should I expect to break one day after my 90-day warranty expires? My duplexer has run into problems - I can't duplex without paper jams. However that may be a function of the paper itself (HP paper manufactured in Brazil... I hope that it doesn't come from the Amazon). 5. What maintenance tips do you have? Again, you'll find that it likes certain types of paper, but not others. Otherwise, it's a reliable printer, considering its age. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
