Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Obviously this may sound harsh, but because the app you wrote was buggier or harder to build isn't a reflection of the technology in my opinion. I've been following this thread pretty closely and have begun going through all the responses. Flex to me has seemed to discredit a lot of the flash developers out there buy putting advanced functionality at the finger tips of the average user. I do think that flex will eventually be leveraged correctly, but the idea that a whole new IDE must be built simply to build form based applications is bizarre to me. I have to imagine that the potential for Flex would extend far beyond Form RIA or else it wouldn't exist. But then again, that's macromedia for you. The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Merrill, Jason wrote: At my previous employer, wanted to build a project with Flex 1.5, client couldn't/wouldn't pay for it, so we built it with Flash - took 5 times longer, and was 5-times buggier but it was do-able. Basically had to write the same kinds of classes for Flash that macromedia already built for Flex, and make it renderable by descriptive XML. It was a fun project, but I wish I had Flex. It was a very large interactive portal with different elements which also displayed metrics dashboards. Jason Merrill Bank of America | www.bankofamerica.com Learning Organization Effectiveness Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Coning Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:45 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE This may be a dumb question, but has anyone ever developed a project in Flex and towards the end decided that Flash would have been a better tool for the project? Or vice-a-versa? If so, why? I'm trying to determine if there are any pitfalls of deciding to use Flex over Flash for larger projects. Hope that makes sense... Doug Coning Senior Web Development Programmer FORUM Solutions, LLC This e-mail and any attachment(s) are intended for the specified recipient(s) only and are legally protected. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to sender's e-mail address with notification of the error and then destroy this message in all electronic and physical forms. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Obviously this may sound harsh, but because the app you wrote was buggier or harder to build isn't a reflection of the technology in my opinion. It is to me. There are a lot of things you can do with Flex in a day that would take weeks to do in straight Flash/Actionscript. This is a fact. For an example, one of the features of the application I worked on required a Flex-like panel (if you know what I mean by a Flex panel) to contain content that could be built on the fly, to any size, look, feel, etc. Flex has a built in Panel renderer to host content. You create a panel with a single XML statement - takes literally 5 seconds. To do this in Flash, it required me to build and test a large Panel class that would scale and render the panel correctly - I won't tell you how long it took, but it was a lot longer than 45 seconds. The result was the same, but the time spent was drastically different. Now, the Actionscript class I built was far more customizable than the Flex one because I had access to everything that rendered the panel, but I didn't need all that for the project. That to me is a representation of the different strengths each app has. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:44 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Obviously this may sound harsh, but because the app you wrote was buggier or harder to build isn't a reflection of the technology in my opinion. I've been following this thread pretty closely and have begun going through all the responses. Flex to me has seemed to discredit a lot of the flash developers out there buy putting advanced functionality at the finger tips of the average user. I do think that flex will eventually be leveraged correctly, but the idea that a whole new IDE must be built simply to build form based applications is bizarre to me. I have to imagine that the potential for Flex would extend far beyond Form RIA or else it wouldn't exist. But then again, that's macromedia for you. The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Merrill, Jason wrote: At my previous employer, wanted to build a project with Flex 1.5, client couldn't/wouldn't pay for it, so we built it with Flash - took 5 times longer, and was 5-times buggier but it was do-able. Basically had to write the same kinds of classes for Flash that macromedia already built for Flex, and make it renderable by descriptive XML. It was a fun project, but I wish I had Flex. It was a very large interactive portal with different elements which also displayed metrics dashboards. Jason Merrill Bank of America | www.bankofamerica.com Learning Organization Effectiveness Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Coning Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:45 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE This may be a dumb question, but has anyone ever developed a project in Flex and towards the end decided that Flash would have been a better tool for the project? Or vice-a-versa? If so, why? I'm trying to determine if there are any pitfalls of deciding to use Flex over Flash for larger projects. Hope that makes sense... Doug Coning Senior Web Development Programmer FORUM Solutions, LLC This e-mail and any attachment(s) are intended for the specified recipient(s) only and are legally protected. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to sender's e-mail address with notification of the error and then destroy this message in all electronic and physical forms. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Well, I think you should just stick with the tool that works for you. I´m currently using Flash 8 IDE to build the layout and assets, and, for me, it is pretty good to build forms as well. The rest I do outside Flash, in FlashDevelop and compile with MTASC ;) It´s just another way to build the views... and there are tons of ways you can do that... what really matters to me is the advent of AS3 that is for sure above all this discussion... Marcelo. On 5/25/06, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously this may sound harsh, but because the app you wrote was buggier or harder to build isn't a reflection of the technology in my opinion. I've been following this thread pretty closely and have begun going through all the responses. Flex to me has seemed to discredit a lot of the flash developers out there buy putting advanced functionality at the finger tips of the average user. I do think that flex will eventually be leveraged correctly, but the idea that a whole new IDE must be built simply to build form based applications is bizarre to me. I have to imagine that the potential for Flex would extend far beyond Form RIA or else it wouldn't exist. But then again, that's macromedia for you. The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Merrill, Jason wrote: At my previous employer, wanted to build a project with Flex 1.5, client couldn't/wouldn't pay for it, so we built it with Flash - took 5 times longer, and was 5-times buggier but it was do-able. Basically had to write the same kinds of classes for Flash that macromedia already built for Flex, and make it renderable by descriptive XML. It was a fun project, but I wish I had Flex. It was a very large interactive portal with different elements which also displayed metrics dashboards. Jason Merrill Bank of America | www.bankofamerica.com Learning Organization Effectiveness Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Coning Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:45 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE This may be a dumb question, but has anyone ever developed a project in Flex and towards the end decided that Flash would have been a better tool for the project? Or vice-a-versa? If so, why? I'm trying to determine if there are any pitfalls of deciding to use Flex over Flash for larger projects. Hope that makes sense... Doug Coning Senior Web Development Programmer FORUM Solutions, LLC This e-mail and any attachment(s) are intended for the specified recipient(s) only and are legally protected. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to sender's e-mail address with notification of the error and then destroy this message in all electronic and physical forms. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Obviously this may sound harsh, but because the app you wrote was buggier or harder to build isn't a reflection of the technology in my opinion. It is to me. There are a lot of things you can do with Flex in a day that would take weeks to do in straight Flash/Actionscript. This is a fact. For an example, one of the features of the application I worked on required a Flex-like panel (if you know what I mean by a Flex panel) to contain content that could be built on the fly, to any size, look, feel, etc. Flex has a built in Panel renderer to host content. You create a panel with a single XML statement - takes literally 5 seconds. To do this in Flash, it required me to build and test a large Panel class that would scale and render the panel correctly - I won't tell you how long it took, but it was a lot longer than 45 seconds. The result was the same, but the time spent was drastically different. Now, the Actionscript class I built was far more customizable than the Flex one because I had access to everything that rendered the panel, but I didn't need all that for the project. That to me is a representation of the different strengths each app has. I would say it's far from being an advantage of Flex itself, but more of the component library with MXML representation. The same thing can be done in Flash/ActionScript2. For instance the people of the ActionStep project worked on such an XML representation that could instanciate the UI. Nicolas ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
would say it's far from being an advantage of Flex itself, but more of the component library with MXML representation. The same thing can be done in Flash/ActionScript2. For instance the people of the ActionStep project worked on such an XML representation that could instanciate the UI. Nicolas Yes. I think the technology (flash platform) should be put above all this and then adobe can build different IDE´s gueared towards different needs, so, for example, form-based RIA´s would be faster to build with FlexBuilder and more customized apps with Flash IDE, but both would use the SAME framework and compiler ;) Just my 2 cents, - Marcelo. On 5/25/06, Nicolas Cannasse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously this may sound harsh, but because the app you wrote was buggier or harder to build isn't a reflection of the technology in my opinion. It is to me. There are a lot of things you can do with Flex in a day that would take weeks to do in straight Flash/Actionscript. This is a fact. For an example, one of the features of the application I worked on required a Flex-like panel (if you know what I mean by a Flex panel) to contain content that could be built on the fly, to any size, look, feel, etc. Flex has a built in Panel renderer to host content. You create a panel with a single XML statement - takes literally 5 seconds. To do this in Flash, it required me to build and test a large Panel class that would scale and render the panel correctly - I won't tell you how long it took, but it was a lot longer than 45 seconds. The result was the same, but the time spent was drastically different. Now, the Actionscript class I built was far more customizable than the Flex one because I had access to everything that rendered the panel, but I didn't need all that for the project. That to me is a representation of the different strengths each app has. I would say it's far from being an advantage of Flex itself, but more of the component library with MXML representation. The same thing can be done in Flash/ActionScript2. For instance the people of the ActionStep project worked on such an XML representation that could instanciate the UI. Nicolas ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
For instance the people of the ActionStep project worked on such an XML representation that could instanciate the UI. Funny, that's essentially the same thing I was doing on this project - the Panel was defined in XML, and a Panel class I wrote rendered it in the player. It just took a whole lot longer than it would have if I could have done it in Flex. In Flex, you skip the class writing and go straight to the XML. You just miss out on some of the added customization you get with Flash/Actionscript rendering. Christian, if you think I'm somehow bashing traditional Flash development, you're completely missing my point. :) Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicolas Cannasse Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:03 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Obviously this may sound harsh, but because the app you wrote was buggier or harder to build isn't a reflection of the technology in my opinion. It is to me. There are a lot of things you can do with Flex in a day that would take weeks to do in straight Flash/Actionscript. This is a fact. For an example, one of the features of the application I worked on required a Flex-like panel (if you know what I mean by a Flex panel) to contain content that could be built on the fly, to any size, look, feel, etc. Flex has a built in Panel renderer to host content. You create a panel with a single XML statement - takes literally 5 seconds. To do this in Flash, it required me to build and test a large Panel class that would scale and render the panel correctly - I won't tell you how long it took, but it was a lot longer than 45 seconds. The result was the same, but the time spent was drastically different. Now, the Actionscript class I built was far more customizable than the Flex one because I had access to everything that rendered the panel, but I didn't need all that for the project. That to me is a representation of the different strengths each app has. I would say it's far from being an advantage of Flex itself, but more of the component library with MXML representation. The same thing can be done in Flash/ActionScript2. For instance the people of the ActionStep project worked on such an XML representation that could instanciate the UI. Nicolas ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Have you looked into FDS? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flexdata_services2/ When you say: develop the front ends in flash You mean the Flash IDE? What makes you think developing in Flex does not allow you to communicate with any traditional back-end? Flex Builder is just an IDE. The end result is an swf the same as with the Flash IDE. It's just that an swf published from Flash is currently a different version. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
What are you basing that on? The underlying Player, not framework handles the low level connections, so it is the same regsardless of whether the content was built in Flash Authoring or the Flex Framework. In fact, Flex was originally built and designed with scalability as a primary goal (as it was originally focused at the Enterprise space). And Flex based apps can easily communicate with backends such as ASP, PHP, etc... mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 25, 2006, at 5:43 AM, Christian wrote: The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Hi, I've been too busy developping in Flash lately to give a try to the new Flex yet, so excuse me if the following question sounds stupid: Flex use to be a server product, but with the new Flex Builder can you simply build a swf file like you do with flash and include it in regular html page? (and therefore php,etc...) Or do you absolutely need to have a specific Flex server of some sort running in order to deliver those files? Thank you, Frank -Original Message- From: Muzak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:45 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Have you looked into FDS? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flexdata_services2/ When you say: develop the front ends in flash You mean the Flash IDE? What makes you think developing in Flex does not allow you to communicate with any traditional back-end? Flex Builder is just an IDE. The end result is an swf the same as with the Flash IDE. It's just that an swf published from Flash is currently a different version. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Flex to me has seemed to discredit a lot of the flash developers out there buy putting advanced functionality at the finger tips of the average user. This is the nature of programming; what was once difficult becomes simple, and what was once impossible becomes difficult! Once upon a time, if you wanted to build Windows applications, you used C/C++ and MFC. Then, you could use Visual Basic, and now, you can use .NET. The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Flex 2 has no required server component. There are optional server components, which based on what I've seen scale incredibly well, but you can use Flex 2 to build interfaces that talk to any server-side application you want. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Frank, You are correct - with 2.0 you don't need the server. The server components are only required for certain functionalities such as messaging. I'm just starting with Flex myself, and so far I like it. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 11:51 AM To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Hi, I've been too busy developping in Flash lately to give a try to the new Flex yet, so excuse me if the following question sounds stupid: Flex use to be a server product, but with the new Flex Builder can you simply build a swf file like you do with flash and include it in regular html page? (and therefore php,etc...) Or do you absolutely need to have a specific Flex server of some sort running in order to deliver those files? Thank you, Frank -Original Message- From: Muzak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:45 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Have you looked into FDS? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flexdata_services2/ When you say: develop the front ends in flash You mean the Flash IDE? What makes you think developing in Flex does not allow you to communicate with any traditional back-end? Flex Builder is just an IDE. The end result is an swf the same as with the Flash IDE. It's just that an swf published from Flash is currently a different version. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Yes, the new Flex will come with a free compiler to take your regular old .swf files created with it and upload to your server. No Flex server required as it is now. Download the Flexbuilder2 beta and check it out - you can make .swf files with it. Pretty cool. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 11:51 AM To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Hi, I've been too busy developping in Flash lately to give a try to the new Flex yet, so excuse me if the following question sounds stupid: Flex use to be a server product, but with the new Flex Builder can you simply build a swf file like you do with flash and include it in regular html page? (and therefore php,etc...) Or do you absolutely need to have a specific Flex server of some sort running in order to deliver those files? Thank you, Frank -Original Message- From: Muzak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:45 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Have you looked into FDS? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flexdata_services2/ When you say: develop the front ends in flash You mean the Flash IDE? What makes you think developing in Flex does not allow you to communicate with any traditional back-end? Flex Builder is just an IDE. The end result is an swf the same as with the Flash IDE. It's just that an swf published from Flash is currently a different version. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
With Flex 2.0, there is no need for a server, the swf's can be deployed in the same way as Flash swf's. Adobe are even going to release a command line compiler if you dont want to pay the (rumoured) $1000 for Flex Builder 2.0. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've been too busy developping in Flash lately to give a try to the new Flex yet, so excuse me if the following question sounds stupid: Flex use to be a server product, but with the new Flex Builder can you simply build a swf file like you do with flash and include it in regular html page? (and therefore php,etc...) Or do you absolutely need to have a specific Flex server of some sort running in order to deliver those files? Thank you, Frank -Original Message- From: Muzak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:45 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Have you looked into FDS? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flexdata_services2/ When you say: develop the front ends in flash You mean the Flash IDE? What makes you think developing in Flex does not allow you to communicate with any traditional back-end? Flex Builder is just an IDE. The end result is an swf the same as with the Flash IDE. It's just that an swf published from Flash is currently a different version. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: Well, I think you should just stick with the tool that works for you. I´m currently using Flash 8 IDE to build the layout and assets, and, for me, it is pretty good to build forms as well. The rest I do outside Flash, in FlashDevelop and compile with MTASC ;) It´s just another way to build the views... and there are tons of ways you can do that... what really matters to me is the advent of AS3 that is for sure above all this discussion... Marcelo. It's exactly this kind of thing that has me looking into Flex - It seems like Flash IDE is very good for some of the things it tries to do (animation, assets production, etc.) but falls apart when you need to actually make a swf that works like an application. From the replies to this thread it sounds like others have found this to be true as well, and so people are using the Flash IDE in the way you've described, while resorting to outside tools to get the application level work done (like FlashDevelop and MTASC - and eventually, Adobe's free compiler I would imagine). This situation for me answers pretty clearly the question of where Flex Builder fits in. This thread has been very informative. Thanks a bunch. :-) Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Yes OpenLaszlo is a great solution. Ive used it quite a bit. They have a awesome community for help and getting started with it. jcanistrum wrote: and what about OpenLaszlo, has someone given it a try ? I saw some very good demos overthere http://www.openlaszlo.org/demos 2006/5/25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I've been too busy developping in Flash lately to give a try to the new Flex yet, so excuse me if the following question sounds stupid: Flex use to be a server product, but with the new Flex Builder can you simply build a swf file like you do with flash and include it in regular html page? (and therefore php,etc...) Or do you absolutely need to have a specific Flex server of some sort running in order to deliver those files? Thank you, Frank -Original Message- From: Muzak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:45 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Have you looked into FDS? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flexdata_services2/ When you say: develop the front ends in flash You mean the Flash IDE? What makes you think developing in Flex does not allow you to communicate with any traditional back-end? Flex Builder is just an IDE. The end result is an swf the same as with the Flash IDE. It's just that an swf published from Flash is currently a different version. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
I spent some time evaluating OpenLaszlo for my employer, and it's very nice. We nearly chose it over Flex. However, Flex turned out to be the winner for us. Here are some of the reasons: - Flex has native XML socket server support - Flex supports SOAP in compiled SWF deployments (Laszlo only supports it if you use the server component) - The Flex IDE has a traditional debugger built in - The Flex IDE is more powerful and mature than the Laszlo IDE (even though it's still in Beta, it blows the Laszlo eclipse plugin away) - Flex has a much larger and more active developer community - Adobe is a well-known name, and brings a certain comfort level to clients and prospective clients - Flex supports SVG - FA Bridge - ActionScript 3.0 is preferable to JavaScript -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jcanistrum Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:31 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE and what about OpenLaszlo, has someone given it a try ? I saw some very good demos overthere http://www.openlaszlo.org/demos 2006/5/25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I've been too busy developping in Flash lately to give a try to the new Flex yet, so excuse me if the following question sounds stupid: Flex use to be a server product, but with the new Flex Builder can you simply build a swf file like you do with flash and include it in regular html page? (and therefore php,etc...) Or do you absolutely need to have a specific Flex server of some sort running in order to deliver those files? Thank you, Frank -Original Message- From: Muzak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:45 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Have you looked into FDS? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flexdata_services2/ When you say: develop the front ends in flash You mean the Flash IDE? What makes you think developing in Flex does not allow you to communicate with any traditional back-end? Flex Builder is just an IDE. The end result is an swf the same as with the Flash IDE. It's just that an swf published from Flash is currently a different version. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- João Carlos ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
great review I will use it from here 2006/5/25, Jim Robson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I spent some time evaluating OpenLaszlo for my employer, and it's very nice. We nearly chose it over Flex. However, Flex turned out to be the winner for us. Here are some of the reasons: - Flex has native XML socket server support - Flex supports SOAP in compiled SWF deployments (Laszlo only supports it if you use the server component) - The Flex IDE has a traditional debugger built in - The Flex IDE is more powerful and mature than the Laszlo IDE (even though it's still in Beta, it blows the Laszlo eclipse plugin away) - Flex has a much larger and more active developer community - Adobe is a well-known name, and brings a certain comfort level to clients and prospective clients - Flex supports SVG - FA Bridge - ActionScript 3.0 is preferable to JavaScript -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jcanistrum Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:31 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE and what about OpenLaszlo, has someone given it a try ? I saw some very good demos overthere http://www.openlaszlo.org/demos 2006/5/25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I've been too busy developping in Flash lately to give a try to the new Flex yet, so excuse me if the following question sounds stupid: Flex use to be a server product, but with the new Flex Builder can you simply build a swf file like you do with flash and include it in regular html page? (and therefore php,etc...) Or do you absolutely need to have a specific Flex server of some sort running in order to deliver those files? Thank you, Frank -Original Message- From: Muzak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:45 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Have you looked into FDS? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flexdata_services2/ When you say: develop the front ends in flash You mean the Flash IDE? What makes you think developing in Flex does not allow you to communicate with any traditional back-end? Flex Builder is just an IDE. The end result is an swf the same as with the Flash IDE. It's just that an swf published from Flash is currently a different version. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- João Carlos ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- João Carlos ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Mike, I didn't have much luck with the Laszlo community. I posted several questions, and most of them went unanswered. Maybe they just don't like ignorant newbies? I also couldn't get Laszlo Systems to answer all of my questions. They sent me a nice email when I joined their forum, but when I asked some questions, they only answered some of them (and the answers they did send were a long time coming). Overall, it seemed to me that the Laszlo support was lacking compared to what I've found with Flex. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Boutin Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:34 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Yes OpenLaszlo is a great solution. Ive used it quite a bit. They have a awesome community for help and getting started with it. jcanistrum wrote: and what about OpenLaszlo, has someone given it a try ? I saw some very good demos overthere http://www.openlaszlo.org/demos 2006/5/25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I've been too busy developping in Flash lately to give a try to the new Flex yet, so excuse me if the following question sounds stupid: Flex use to be a server product, but with the new Flex Builder can you simply build a swf file like you do with flash and include it in regular html page? (and therefore php,etc...) Or do you absolutely need to have a specific Flex server of some sort running in order to deliver those files? Thank you, Frank -Original Message- From: Muzak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:45 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Have you looked into FDS? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flexdata_services2/ When you say: develop the front ends in flash You mean the Flash IDE? What makes you think developing in Flex does not allow you to communicate with any traditional back-end? Flex Builder is just an IDE. The end result is an swf the same as with the Flash IDE. It's just that an swf published from Flash is currently a different version. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
I found the Laszlo mailinglist to be very helpful. I got a quicker response rather than using the forums. I believe the sign up is at openlaszlo.org Mike Jim Robson wrote: Mike, I didn't have much luck with the Laszlo community. I posted several questions, and most of them went unanswered. Maybe they just don't like ignorant newbies? I also couldn't get Laszlo Systems to answer all of my questions. They sent me a nice email when I joined their forum, but when I asked some questions, they only answered some of them (and the answers they did send were a long time coming). Overall, it seemed to me that the Laszlo support was lacking compared to what I've found with Flex. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Boutin Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:34 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Yes OpenLaszlo is a great solution. Ive used it quite a bit. They have a awesome community for help and getting started with it. jcanistrum wrote: and what about OpenLaszlo, has someone given it a try ? I saw some very good demos overthere http://www.openlaszlo.org/demos 2006/5/25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I've been too busy developping in Flash lately to give a try to the new Flex yet, so excuse me if the following question sounds stupid: Flex use to be a server product, but with the new Flex Builder can you simply build a swf file like you do with flash and include it in regular html page? (and therefore php,etc...) Or do you absolutely need to have a specific Flex server of some sort running in order to deliver those files? Thank you, Frank -Original Message- From: Muzak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:45 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Have you looked into FDS? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flexdata_services2/ When you say: develop the front ends in flash You mean the Flash IDE? What makes you think developing in Flex does not allow you to communicate with any traditional back-end? Flex Builder is just an IDE. The end result is an swf the same as with the Flash IDE. It's just that an swf published from Flash is currently a different version. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
I was considering to use it but it was disapointing to me the fact that they don´t have AS 2.0 language support 2006/5/25, Mike Boutin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I found the Laszlo mailinglist to be very helpful. I got a quicker response rather than using the forums. I believe the sign up is at openlaszlo.org Mike Jim Robson wrote: Mike, I didn't have much luck with the Laszlo community. I posted several questions, and most of them went unanswered. Maybe they just don't like ignorant newbies? I also couldn't get Laszlo Systems to answer all of my questions. They sent me a nice email when I joined their forum, but when I asked some questions, they only answered some of them (and the answers they did send were a long time coming). Overall, it seemed to me that the Laszlo support was lacking compared to what I've found with Flex. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Boutin Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:34 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Yes OpenLaszlo is a great solution. Ive used it quite a bit. They have a awesome community for help and getting started with it. jcanistrum wrote: and what about OpenLaszlo, has someone given it a try ? I saw some very good demos overthere http://www.openlaszlo.org/demos 2006/5/25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I've been too busy developping in Flash lately to give a try to the new Flex yet, so excuse me if the following question sounds stupid: Flex use to be a server product, but with the new Flex Builder can you simply build a swf file like you do with flash and include it in regular html page? (and therefore php,etc...) Or do you absolutely need to have a specific Flex server of some sort running in order to deliver those files? Thank you, Frank -Original Message- From: Muzak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:45 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Have you looked into FDS? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flexdata_services2/ When you say: develop the front ends in flash You mean the Flash IDE? What makes you think developing in Flex does not allow you to communicate with any traditional back-end? Flex Builder is just an IDE. The end result is an swf the same as with the Flash IDE. It's just that an swf published from Flash is currently a different version. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- João Carlos ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Never used Laszlo and probally will never used it ... would better go to flex2, don´t like the idea of using javascript and that the swf is generated at runtime... On 5/25/06, jcanistrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was considering to use it but it was disapointing to me the fact that they don´t have AS 2.0 language support 2006/5/25, Mike Boutin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I found the Laszlo mailinglist to be very helpful. I got a quicker response rather than using the forums. I believe the sign up is at openlaszlo.org Mike Jim Robson wrote: Mike, I didn't have much luck with the Laszlo community. I posted several questions, and most of them went unanswered. Maybe they just don't like ignorant newbies? I also couldn't get Laszlo Systems to answer all of my questions. They sent me a nice email when I joined their forum, but when I asked some questions, they only answered some of them (and the answers they did send were a long time coming). Overall, it seemed to me that the Laszlo support was lacking compared to what I've found with Flex. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Boutin Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:34 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Yes OpenLaszlo is a great solution. Ive used it quite a bit. They have a awesome community for help and getting started with it. jcanistrum wrote: and what about OpenLaszlo, has someone given it a try ? I saw some very good demos overthere http://www.openlaszlo.org/demos 2006/5/25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I've been too busy developping in Flash lately to give a try to the new Flex yet, so excuse me if the following question sounds stupid: Flex use to be a server product, but with the new Flex Builder can you simply build a swf file like you do with flash and include it in regular html page? (and therefore php,etc...) Or do you absolutely need to have a specific Flex server of some sort running in order to deliver those files? Thank you, Frank -Original Message- From: Muzak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:45 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Have you looked into FDS? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flexdata_services2/ When you say: develop the front ends in flash You mean the Flash IDE? What makes you think developing in Flex does not allow you to communicate with any traditional back-end? Flex Builder is just an IDE. The end result is an swf the same as with the Flash IDE. It's just that an swf published from Flash is currently a different version. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- João Carlos ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
You can deploy a Laszlo app as a stand-alone swf as well. Mike Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: Never used Laszlo and probally will never used it ... would better go to flex2, don´t like the idea of using javascript and that the swf is generated at runtime... On 5/25/06, jcanistrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was considering to use it but it was disapointing to me the fact that they don´t have AS 2.0 language support 2006/5/25, Mike Boutin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I found the Laszlo mailinglist to be very helpful. I got a quicker response rather than using the forums. I believe the sign up is at openlaszlo.org Mike Jim Robson wrote: Mike, I didn't have much luck with the Laszlo community. I posted several questions, and most of them went unanswered. Maybe they just don't like ignorant newbies? I also couldn't get Laszlo Systems to answer all of my questions. They sent me a nice email when I joined their forum, but when I asked some questions, they only answered some of them (and the answers they did send were a long time coming). Overall, it seemed to me that the Laszlo support was lacking compared to what I've found with Flex. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Boutin Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:34 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Yes OpenLaszlo is a great solution. Ive used it quite a bit. They have a awesome community for help and getting started with it. jcanistrum wrote: and what about OpenLaszlo, has someone given it a try ? I saw some very good demos overthere http://www.openlaszlo.org/demos 2006/5/25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I've been too busy developping in Flash lately to give a try to the new Flex yet, so excuse me if the following question sounds stupid: Flex use to be a server product, but with the new Flex Builder can you simply build a swf file like you do with flash and include it in regular html page? (and therefore php,etc...) Or do you absolutely need to have a specific Flex server of some sort running in order to deliver those files? Thank you, Frank -Original Message- From: Muzak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:45 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back and forth with a traditional back-end I.E. ASP, PHP, etc. Those things are free to develop on, more prove and seemingly scale a hell of a lot better. Yes, it's not as simple as an EASY button, but if work was easy it'd be fun and we'd all be broke. Have you looked into FDS? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flexdata_services2/ When you say: develop the front ends in flash You mean the Flash IDE? What makes you think developing in Flex does not allow you to communicate with any traditional back-end? Flex Builder is just an IDE. The end result is an swf the same as with the Flash IDE. It's just that an swf published from Flash is currently a different version. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- João Carlos ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Diddo! I'd love to hear some discussion on this... Doug Coning Senior Web Development Programmer FORUM Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Newman Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:10 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Hello all, So what are the opinions regarding Flex vs. Flash IDE? Which do you guys prefer, and why? I've been looking into Flex 2.0, and so far I like what I'm seeing. But I'd love to hear some opinions from this list. :-) Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com This e-mail and any attachment(s) are intended for the specified recipient(s) only and are legally protected. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to sender's e-mail address with notification of the error and then destroy this message in all electronic and physical forms. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
well my initial response is: Depends on who you're talking to. I'm completely stoked about Flex2 builder in that building applications/forms etc is what it's suited for. So, when dealing with these type of projects its by far the choice IMHO. But I don't know how you compare it to the Flash IDE. I mean, the other half of my projects are experience sites (marketing sites) where there's alot of triditional animation and assets being used. In that scenario, Flash IDE is, as of right now, ideal. You really can't compare it as far as I can tell right now. If you're strictly talking about form/application developement, yeah Flex rocks \m/ and certainly seems to address many of the voodoo areas that you'd experience with building the same apps in Flash IDE. then again, take what I'm saying with the knowledge that I've just started seriously working with Flex2 and I *live* in the IDE/FlashDevelop otherwise. hth, JG On 5/23/06, Doug Coning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diddo! I'd love to hear some discussion on this... Doug Coning Senior Web Development Programmer FORUM Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Newman Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:10 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Hello all, So what are the opinions regarding Flex vs. Flash IDE? Which do you guys prefer, and why? I've been looking into Flex 2.0, and so far I like what I'm seeing. But I'd love to hear some opinions from this list. :-) Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com This e-mail and any attachment(s) are intended for the specified recipient(s) only and are legally protected. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to sender's e-mail address with notification of the error and then destroy this message in all electronic and physical forms. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- John Grden - Blitz ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
It' more dependent on what kind of project you are building. Flex would not be good for an animated cartoon or highly customized sites. It takes much longer to build a business RIA in Flash... Etc. Jason Merrill Bank of America | www.bankofamerica.com Learning Organization Effectiveness Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Newman Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:10 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Hello all, So what are the opinions regarding Flex vs. Flash IDE? Which do you guys prefer, and why? I've been looking into Flex 2.0, and so far I like what I'm seeing. But I'd love to hear some opinions from this list. :-) Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Hi Kevin I'm not an expert but Maybe I could add an idea. Flex is for a huge and serious applications development based on Flash Player. Flash is for a fully creative environment and very cool in terms of design and animation (that's why I said Serious on Flex, I don't mean better whit it), that can do almost all that Flex does, but there's lot of work between them. Flex is in days what Flash could be In Months, in terms of Application Development. You can see some examples of Flex and Flash Sites at www.adobe.com. Don't worry. You'll see the difference yourself. Bye Jorge A. Díaz Gutiérrez -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Merrill, Jason Enviado el: martes, 23 de mayo de 2006 12:01 Para: Flashcoders mailing list Asunto: RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE It' more dependent on what kind of project you are building. Flex would not be good for an animated cartoon or highly customized sites. It takes much longer to build a business RIA in Flash... Etc. Jason Merrill Bank of America | www.bankofamerica.com Learning Organization Effectiveness Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Newman Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:10 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Hello all, So what are the opinions regarding Flex vs. Flash IDE? Which do you guys prefer, and why? I've been looking into Flex 2.0, and so far I like what I'm seeing. But I'd love to hear some opinions from this list. :-) Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Personally I think a far more important question is how (well) Flex and Flash will work together, because now we'll have 2 IDE's to work with. For a long time there have been 2 (or more) type of Flash users: developers and designers. And with each new (Flash) version the gap between the 2 became bigger. Now with the release of Flex2 both type of users will be able to focus better on what they're good at, working with an IDE they feel comfortable with. Maybe one downside for certain developers will be that we'll have to own/use both. I'm thinking of freelancers like myself. regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Hello all, So what are the opinions regarding Flex vs. Flash IDE? Which do you guys prefer, and why? I've been looking into Flex 2.0, and so far I like what I'm seeing. But I'd love to hear some opinions from this list. :-) Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
and someone have experienced the openlaszlo to give some advice about it ? it promises the same as Flex, plus outputs in SWF and DHTML, but it is free and OpenSource. www.openlaszlo.org and to get more people in trouble ( just to decide about -) there is haXe, www.haxe.org also free, also generating for javascript and swf and AS 3.0, if I´m not wrong. I´m note sure like people are going to cope with so many options -) João Carlos 2006/5/23, Muzak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Personally I think a far more important question is how (well) Flex and Flash will work together, because now we'll have 2 IDE's to work with. For a long time there have been 2 (or more) type of Flash users: developers and designers. And with each new (Flash) version the gap between the 2 became bigger. Now with the release of Flex2 both type of users will be able to focus better on what they're good at, working with an IDE they feel comfortable with. Maybe one downside for certain developers will be that we'll have to own/use both. I'm thinking of freelancers like myself. regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Hello all, So what are the opinions regarding Flex vs. Flash IDE? Which do you guys prefer, and why? I've been looking into Flex 2.0, and so far I like what I'm seeing. But I'd love to hear some opinions from this list. :-) Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- João Carlos ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
I was looking at the components that make up the Flex environment and noticed that Charting is now a separate component. The promo mentions that charting will work seamlessly with Flex Data Services. Does this mean that it won't work with Web Services? Do you have to use the Data Services to use charts? Doug Coning Senior Web Development Programmer FORUM Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Muzak Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:10 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Personally I think a far more important question is how (well) Flex and Flash will work together, because now we'll have 2 IDE's to work with. For a long time there have been 2 (or more) type of Flash users: developers and designers. And with each new (Flash) version the gap between the 2 became bigger. Now with the release of Flex2 both type of users will be able to focus better on what they're good at, working with an IDE they feel comfortable with. Maybe one downside for certain developers will be that we'll have to own/use both. I'm thinking of freelancers like myself. regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE Hello all, So what are the opinions regarding Flex vs. Flash IDE? Which do you guys prefer, and why? I've been looking into Flex 2.0, and so far I like what I'm seeing. But I'd love to hear some opinions from this list. :-) Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com This e-mail and any attachment(s) are intended for the specified recipient(s) only and are legally protected. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to sender's e-mail address with notification of the error and then destroy this message in all electronic and physical forms. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
I am very frustrated by the IDE being split into two product lines. Like many other Flash developers, I do both games and animation projects and also RIA projects, so it looks like I'm now going to have to invest two products from now on! This is just one reason why I'm shifting more and more to open source tools. I also feel that Adobe/Macromedia has not done a good job explaining the need for two products, or why I would want to use one or another for a particular project. I mean, a deeper explanation than: Flash is for games and animations; Flex is for Form-based RIAs. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I am very frustrated by the IDE being split into two product lines. Imagine if everyone had complained to Henry Ford about the same thing. Jason Merrill Bank of America | www.bankofamerica.com Learning Organization Effectiveness Technology Solutions ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
I am very frustrated by the IDE being split into two product lines. Like many other Flash developers, I do both games and animation projects and also RIA projects, so it looks like I'm now going to have to invest two products from now on! This is just one reason why I'm shifting more and more to open source tools. The IDE isn't being split. There are (and have been) two separate IDEs to do two separate (and quite different) things. Up until now, one of those IDEs (FlexBuilder 1.5) has, in my opinion, sucked pretty badly. The development approach for Flex has more in common with Visual Basic or any other traditional forms-based development IDE than with traditional Flash development, and I think it's unrealistic to expect one IDE to serve such disparate needs. And, for what it's worth, the major improvement in the new FlexBuilder IDE is largely a result of being based on Eclipse (an open-source product) - if Adobe had to create Eclipse's functionality from scratch, the new IDE would likely be much more expensive and not as good. I also feel that Adobe/Macromedia has not done a good job explaining the need for two products, or why I would want to use one or another for a particular project. I mean, a deeper explanation than: Flash is for games and animations; Flex is for Form-based RIAs. How much deeper could it possibly be? If you're building a traditional forms-based application, you want to use Flex. If not, you don't! Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
But I don't have to buy 2 cars, one to get to work, and one to go away for weekends. I'm fine if Adobe wants to sell multiple versions of the IDE, like they have been doing with Basic and Professional. On 5/23/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am very frustrated by the IDE being split into two product lines. Imagine if everyone had complained to Henry Ford about the same thing. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
But I don't have to buy 2 cars, one to get to work, and one to go away for weekends. I'm fine if Adobe wants to sell multiple versions of the IDE, like they have been doing with Basic and Professional. That's a crappy analogy. These IDEs do DIFFERENT THINGS! A better analogy might be, a car and a boat. Of course, maybe you want a really expensive car-boat that's not especially good for driving or boating: http://www.dukw.com/ Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
I guess whether you think it's a crappy analogy depends on whether you believe Form-based applications are different enough from other flash apps to warrant their own IDE. Personally, I don't. I can already build Form-based apps just fine in Flash 8 or with DHTML. So please explain how Flex is superior (without using acronyms or buzzwords). Yes, the Eclipse IDE is cool. Yes, AS 3 looks promising. But why not just build the Flash 9 IDE with an Eclipse-based actionscript compiler/editor? Ceating two similar but non-overlapping products is confusing. I'm sure it will create all sorts of workflow headaches between artists and developers. And I'm really not looking forward to explaining to clients who may only have a passing familiarity with Flash that they're going to have to buy both Flash 9 and Flex 2 to compile my stuff. :( On 5/23/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I don't have to buy 2 cars, one to get to work, and one to go away for weekends. I'm fine if Adobe wants to sell multiple versions of the IDE, like they have been doing with Basic and Professional. That's a crappy analogy. These IDEs do DIFFERENT THINGS! A better analogy might be, a car and a boat. Of course, maybe you want a really expensive car-boat that's not especially good for driving or boating: http://www.dukw.com/ Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Flash is to Flexbuilder as Fireworks is to Dreamweaver. That's the way I see it, except that we may have to wait to benefit from the type of integration FW and DW have accomplished. Just my two pence -Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Pasztory Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:18 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE I guess whether you think it's a crappy analogy depends on whether you believe Form-based applications are different enough from other flash apps to warrant their own IDE. Personally, I don't. I can already build Form-based apps just fine in Flash 8 or with DHTML. So please explain how Flex is superior (without using acronyms or buzzwords). Yes, the Eclipse IDE is cool. Yes, AS 3 looks promising. But why not just build the Flash 9 IDE with an Eclipse-based actionscript compiler/editor? Ceating two similar but non-overlapping products is confusing. I'm sure it will create all sorts of workflow headaches between artists and developers. And I'm really not looking forward to explaining to clients who may only have a passing familiarity with Flash that they're going to have to buy both Flash 9 and Flex 2 to compile my stuff. :( On 5/23/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I don't have to buy 2 cars, one to get to work, and one to go away for weekends. I'm fine if Adobe wants to sell multiple versions of the IDE, like they have been doing with Basic and Professional. That's a crappy analogy. These IDEs do DIFFERENT THINGS! A better analogy might be, a car and a boat. Of course, maybe you want a really expensive car-boat that's not especially good for driving or boating: http://www.dukw.com/ Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
I do, I take my Rodeo off-road camping and my Prius for the HOV lanes on the freeway. :)There is a reason they started making more than the model T. Jason Merrill Bank of America | www.bankofamerica.com Learning Organization Effectiveness Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Pasztory Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:22 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE But I don't have to buy 2 cars, one to get to work, and one to go away for weekends. I'm fine if Adobe wants to sell multiple versions of the IDE, like they have been doing with Basic and Professional. On 5/23/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am very frustrated by the IDE being split into two product lines. Imagine if everyone had complained to Henry Ford about the same thing. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
I guess whether you think it's a crappy analogy depends on whether you believe Form-based applications are different enough from other flash apps to warrant their own IDE. Personally, I don't. I can already build Form-based apps just fine in Flash 8 or with DHTML. So please explain how Flex is superior (without using acronyms or buzzwords). I don't know from superior - I have no knowledge or experience using the Flash IDE, and I'm not a Flash programmer. I AM a Flex programmer, however. (An inexperienced Flex programmer, but you have to start somewhere.) I also have experience developing forms-based applications using other traditional IDEs, such as Visual Studio and its predecessors. These IDEs have a common development idiom - you drag controls onto the form, you bind event handlers to them, etc. The Flash IDE does not follow this idiom, and the FlexBuilder IDE does. Whether you like it or not, this is very valuable if you want to attract developers who are familiar with the idiom. Yes, the Eclipse IDE is cool. Yes, AS 3 looks promising. But why not just build the Flash 9 IDE with an Eclipse-based actionscript compiler/editor? It's all about the idiom, again - people with experience using traditional forms-based IDEs expect to see certain things. Eclipse has those things, the Flash IDE doesn't (at least, as far as I know - again, I'm not a Flash developer.) Ceating two similar but non-overlapping products is confusing. I'm sure it will create all sorts of workflow headaches between artists and developers. I don't think the two products are similar at all. In fact, if they didn't create applications that used the same runtime environment (the Flash Player itself) you'd have no reason to assume they shared any commonality at all. And I'm really not looking forward to explaining to clients who may only have a passing familiarity with Flash that they're going to have to buy both Flash 9 and Flex 2 to compile my stuff. :( Well, fortunately, they won't need to buy Flex 2 to compile your stuff. There will apparently be a free, command-line Flex compiler which you can download and use separately from FlexBuilder. In theory, you could just use Notepad or any other editor for Flex development, although that would probably be quite tedious and painful; in the same way, you can write C# apps with Notepad and compile them using the .NET MSIL compiler, but yecch. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
This may be a dumb question, but has anyone ever developed a project in Flex and towards the end decided that Flash would have been a better tool for the project? Or vice-a-versa? If so, why? I'm trying to determine if there are any pitfalls of deciding to use Flex over Flash for larger projects. Hope that makes sense... Doug Coning Senior Web Development Programmer FORUM Solutions, LLC This e-mail and any attachment(s) are intended for the specified recipient(s) only and are legally protected. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to sender's e-mail address with notification of the error and then destroy this message in all electronic and physical forms. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Haven´t used Flex Builder yet, but I must say I´m quite satisfied with the Flash 8 IDE + FlashDevelop2 + mtasc bundle right now. Flash IDE is just fine both for animations and for the building of forms IMHO. Wether I will be going to Flex2 or haXe, keep working with AS2 will depend on several factors... however, even though we are being overwhelmed by the amount of options, it is indeed exciting to see all this new technology emerging :) - so, one day after another... - Marcelo. On 5/23/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess whether you think it's a crappy analogy depends on whether you believe Form-based applications are different enough from other flash apps to warrant their own IDE. Personally, I don't. I can already build Form-based apps just fine in Flash 8 or with DHTML. So please explain how Flex is superior (without using acronyms or buzzwords). I don't know from superior - I have no knowledge or experience using the Flash IDE, and I'm not a Flash programmer. I AM a Flex programmer, however. (An inexperienced Flex programmer, but you have to start somewhere.) I also have experience developing forms-based applications using other traditional IDEs, such as Visual Studio and its predecessors. These IDEs have a common development idiom - you drag controls onto the form, you bind event handlers to them, etc. The Flash IDE does not follow this idiom, and the FlexBuilder IDE does. Whether you like it or not, this is very valuable if you want to attract developers who are familiar with the idiom. Yes, the Eclipse IDE is cool. Yes, AS 3 looks promising. But why not just build the Flash 9 IDE with an Eclipse-based actionscript compiler/editor? It's all about the idiom, again - people with experience using traditional forms-based IDEs expect to see certain things. Eclipse has those things, the Flash IDE doesn't (at least, as far as I know - again, I'm not a Flash developer.) Ceating two similar but non-overlapping products is confusing. I'm sure it will create all sorts of workflow headaches between artists and developers. I don't think the two products are similar at all. In fact, if they didn't create applications that used the same runtime environment (the Flash Player itself) you'd have no reason to assume they shared any commonality at all. And I'm really not looking forward to explaining to clients who may only have a passing familiarity with Flash that they're going to have to buy both Flash 9 and Flex 2 to compile my stuff. :( Well, fortunately, they won't need to buy Flex 2 to compile your stuff. There will apparently be a free, command-line Flex compiler which you can download and use separately from FlexBuilder. In theory, you could just use Notepad or any other editor for Flex development, although that would probably be quite tedious and painful; in the same way, you can write C# apps with Notepad and compile them using the .NET MSIL compiler, but yecch. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Really, the only thing Flash and Flex have incommon is what they compile to and they both us AS... Form application development in Flash is a royal pain.. In Flex its much easier and you can build a much better experience than with Flash. I know, I have done both... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Watts Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:41 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE I guess whether you think it's a crappy analogy depends on whether you believe Form-based applications are different enough from other flash apps to warrant their own IDE. Personally, I don't. I can already build Form-based apps just fine in Flash 8 or with DHTML. So please explain how Flex is superior (without using acronyms or buzzwords). I don't know from superior - I have no knowledge or experience using the Flash IDE, and I'm not a Flash programmer. I AM a Flex programmer, however. (An inexperienced Flex programmer, but you have to start somewhere.) I also have experience developing forms-based applications using other traditional IDEs, such as Visual Studio and its predecessors. These IDEs have a common development idiom - you drag controls onto the form, you bind event handlers to them, etc. The Flash IDE does not follow this idiom, and the FlexBuilder IDE does. Whether you like it or not, this is very valuable if you want to attract developers who are familiar with the idiom. Yes, the Eclipse IDE is cool. Yes, AS 3 looks promising. But why not just build the Flash 9 IDE with an Eclipse-based actionscript compiler/editor? It's all about the idiom, again - people with experience using traditional forms-based IDEs expect to see certain things. Eclipse has those things, the Flash IDE doesn't (at least, as far as I know - again, I'm not a Flash developer.) Ceating two similar but non-overlapping products is confusing. I'm sure it will create all sorts of workflow headaches between artists and developers. I don't think the two products are similar at all. In fact, if they didn't create applications that used the same runtime environment (the Flash Player itself) you'd have no reason to assume they shared any commonality at all. And I'm really not looking forward to explaining to clients who may only have a passing familiarity with Flash that they're going to have to buy both Flash 9 and Flex 2 to compile my stuff. :( Well, fortunately, they won't need to buy Flex 2 to compile your stuff. There will apparently be a free, command-line Flex compiler which you can download and use separately from FlexBuilder. In theory, you could just use Notepad or any other editor for Flex development, although that would probably be quite tedious and painful; in the same way, you can write C# apps with Notepad and compile them using the .NET MSIL compiler, but yecch. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
At my previous employer, wanted to build a project with Flex 1.5, client couldn't/wouldn't pay for it, so we built it with Flash - took 5 times longer, and was 5-times buggier but it was do-able. Basically had to write the same kinds of classes for Flash that macromedia already built for Flex, and make it renderable by descriptive XML. It was a fun project, but I wish I had Flex. It was a very large interactive portal with different elements which also displayed metrics dashboards. Jason Merrill Bank of America | www.bankofamerica.com Learning Organization Effectiveness Technology Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Coning Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:45 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE This may be a dumb question, but has anyone ever developed a project in Flex and towards the end decided that Flash would have been a better tool for the project? Or vice-a-versa? If so, why? I'm trying to determine if there are any pitfalls of deciding to use Flex over Flash for larger projects. Hope that makes sense... Doug Coning Senior Web Development Programmer FORUM Solutions, LLC This e-mail and any attachment(s) are intended for the specified recipient(s) only and are legally protected. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to sender's e-mail address with notification of the error and then destroy this message in all electronic and physical forms. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Adam, I hear what you're saying. It is frustrating to have to shell out money for two different products. Here's the history. The Flash IDE has had numerous workflow problems, intrinsic problems and limitations in the language (prototype based), slow engine (in comparison to fp9) and other subtle but nasty bugs. Flash started out and was an animation program that has been upgraded again and again with new features on top of the previous program and new features added to the previous renderer. For example, AS2 is compiled down to AS1. Rather than built on a shaky foundation Macromedia realized the need to create a new sturdy foundation and fix the problems that plagued the original program and AS1 engine. So looking at all the things they wanted to do and fix they created a new rendering engine from the ground up and rather than reinvent the wheel, took one of the best development environment of the time and built a new product called Flex Builder off of it. They set the focus on making it create Applications for the web. They set out and fixed a whole huge mess of problems for us. No more having to built our own preloaders, awesome event handlers that bubble up, great layout tools, new states and transitions with a few lines of code, easy bookmarking in the browser and a whole lot of other things they knew we would be using it for. Plenty of things were planned in the design and implementation. Most of the benefits are realized once you use it. It would not have worked as well to have overhauled the Flash IDE. A lot of people are trying to differentiate the two by saying one is for animation and design and one is for applications and forms. Well yes and no. You have to try it but I'm going to say you can do 90% of what is on the web with Flex. I made this site in about an hour as practice to see if it could be used for websites. Copying and pasting of course (sorry it lost some formatting). http://www.judahfrangipane.com/examples/main.html. Flex uses MXML and ActionScript 3. You still have a design view but you can edit the html, I mean xml, I mean MXML. So the layout is very powerful. I could easily add smooth transitions and states to that site in about 15 minutes by adding transitions tags. The same thing would have taken a lot longer in Flash. The one main thing you do lose in Flex is the animation timeline. So if you want to do animation with a timeline then you would use Flash. So we come to now. Adobe has two products that output to FP9 player. They both overlap in functionality and you now have two products to choose from. The Flex Builder is not out yet so it's feature set is not set in stone. Remember the Macromedia guys, who btw are very smart blokes, have been in the lab two years scheming like mad scientists to make the best new Flash / web content producing ide out there. The only thing I'm concerned about is if they don't add in the features in Flex we need because it is out of scope of RIA development. This would be a drag. I plan to use Flex 2 for everything on the web. Not just applications. Even if some aspect is a bit more work in Flex I'd rather use it. HTH peace, Judah Adam Pasztory wrote: I am very frustrated by the IDE being split into two product lines. Like many other Flash developers, I do both games and animation projects and also RIA projects, so it looks like I'm now going to have to invest two products from now on! This is just one reason why I'm shifting more and more to open source tools. I also feel that Adobe/Macromedia has not done a good job explaining the need for two products, or why I would want to use one or another for a particular project. I mean, a deeper explanation than: Flash is for games and animations; Flex is for Form-based RIAs. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any one thing. You can have anything you want - if you want it badly enough. You can be anything you want to be, do anything you set out to accomplish if you hold to that desire with singleness of purpose. - Abraham Lincoln ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
