Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Hi guys, I haven't had a chance to delve into using AS3 yet, and I know the AS1 and AS3 runtime engines in the Flash 9 player are totally seperate, but is it not possible for AS2 movies to share data with AS3 at all? Surely an AS3 movie can load an AS2 movie into itself and access it's properties? If so then it should be possible for an AS3 project to use an AS2 movie with remoting components and use movieclips for data storage and communication? It would be poor use of OO coding skills, but technically feasible and much less effort than re-engineering the components. And along those lines, isn't it possible to reverse-engineer the AS2 components with a decompiler, and rewrite the code in AS3? Scott ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Anything is possible :) You can use flashinterface to communicate with as2 components and then return the events back. That would be possible. It just makes it a lot more cumbersome -- that's all. The flashinterface package is quite sophisticated as it uses localconnection to return and pass data back and forth. It has limitations though. Scott Whittaker wrote: Hi guys, I haven't had a chance to delve into using AS3 yet, and I know the AS1 and AS3 runtime engines in the Flash 9 player are totally seperate, but is it not possible for AS2 movies to share data with AS3 at all? Surely an AS3 movie can load an AS2 movie into itself and access it's properties? If so then it should be possible for an AS3 project to use an AS2 movie with remoting components and use movieclips for data storage and communication? It would be poor use of OO coding skills, but technically feasible and much less effort than re-engineering the components. And along those lines, isn't it possible to reverse-engineer the AS2 components with a decompiler, and rewrite the code in AS3? Scott ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
but is it not possible for AS2 movies to share data with AS3 at all Out of the box, not possible.. You need to use a LocalConnection to have the 2 AVM's communicate with each other, which by itself has limitations. For starters, 40k data limit. regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: Scott Whittaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Hi guys, I haven't had a chance to delve into using AS3 yet, and I know the AS1 and AS3 runtime engines in the Flash 9 player are totally seperate, but is it not possible for AS2 movies to share data with AS3 at all? Surely an AS3 movie can load an AS2 movie into itself and access it's properties? If so then it should be possible for an AS3 project to use an AS2 movie with remoting components and use movieclips for data storage and communication? It would be poor use of OO coding skills, but technically feasible and much less effort than re-engineering the components. And along those lines, isn't it possible to reverse-engineer the AS2 components with a decompiler, and rewrite the code in AS3? Scott ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
IIRC there are a few problems/limitations with using LocalConnection. I had real trouble with getting it to work consistently. It might be worth taking a look at Robert Taylor's FlashInterface (which uses ExternalInterface). http://www.flashextensions.com/products/flashinterface.php Cheers, Ian On 6/7/07, Muzak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but is it not possible for AS2 movies to share data with AS3 at all Out of the box, not possible.. You need to use a LocalConnection to have the 2 AVM's communicate with each other, which by itself has limitations. For starters, 40k data limit. regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: Scott Whittaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Hi guys, I haven't had a chance to delve into using AS3 yet, and I know the AS1 and AS3 runtime engines in the Flash 9 player are totally seperate, but is it not possible for AS2 movies to share data with AS3 at all? Surely an AS3 movie can load an AS2 movie into itself and access it's properties? If so then it should be possible for an AS3 project to use an AS2 movie with remoting components and use movieclips for data storage and communication? It would be poor use of OO coding skills, but technically feasible and much less effort than re-engineering the components. And along those lines, isn't it possible to reverse-engineer the AS2 components with a decompiler, and rewrite the code in AS3? Scott ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Ian, thank you for the link on Robert Taylor's FlashInterface. Regarding Scott's intuitive response, the responses by Austin, Muzak and Ian pretty much tell the story. When I used the word stupefying the other day this is what I meant. Just to recap: AS2 to AS3 - At runtime can only integrate through external APIs - Only a small subset of AS2 components got rev'ed up to AS3 - leaving Flash application developers a choice of staying at AS2, building their own AS3 components, programming to lower level APIs in AS3, or integrating Flex into their workflow/architecture. Anyway, since Flex 2 is AS3 only, Flash/Flex developers have been confronted for a full year now with the runtime firewall between AVM1 and AVM2. None has been more eloquent in analyzing this than Jesse Warden. See in particular the following among his posts: Integrating a Flash Interface into Flex 2 http://www.jessewarden.com/archives/2006/12/integrating_a_f.html Here is an excerpt. To make the relevance of Jesse's original Flash/Flex comments apparent to our current AS2/AS3 discussion, in the excerpt I use square brackets to replace Jesse's original references to Flash and Flex with [AS2] and [AS3]. I will include Jesse's original, unedited language at the end. Of course, see Jesse's original post for his full analysis. EXCERPT: Why Integration? ... For security various other engineering reasons, the AVM's cannot talk to each other. This results in a SWF written in [AS2] not being able to talk to a [AS3] SWF. The need for doing such is that the [Flash AS2 components] allows creation of design content that [Flash AS3 components] cannot create on it's own. ... There are a few solutions out there. ... Another is to utilize a small set of classes to communicate via LocalConnection. ... A third one is to utilize ExternalInterface. ... So, why not use one of the above methods. First off, [since the AS2 components are a complete component set (including data components), the AS2 components] is powerful; it's not just a design asset. So, simply being loaded in isn't good enough for some functionality; [AS2] [AS3] need to talk. Secondly, LocalConnection isn't syncronous, and doesn't have good error checking. This makes debugging long and frustrating. Third, Externalnterface uses JavaScript. You've now gone from 2 languages to 3; ActionScript 3, ActionScript 2 (or 1), and JavaScript as well as at least 2 different tools; Flex Builder for ActionScript 3 and JavaScript and Flash 8 btw ... Integrating even Flash AS3 content into Flex 2 apps requires special processes. See the following post by Jesse for details on using the Flex Component Kit for Flash CS3http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Component_Kit_for_Flash_CS3 that is now on labs: Example for Flex Component Kit for Flash CS3 http://www.jessewarden.com/archives/2007/04/example_for_fle.html hth, g [ORIGINAL LANGUAGE] Why Integration? ... For security various other engineering reasons, the AVM's cannot talk to each other. This results in a SWF written in the Flash 8 IDE not being able to talk to a Flex 2 SWF. The need for doing such is that the Flash IDE allows creation of design content that Flex cannot create on it's own. ... There are a few solutions out there. ... Another is to utilize a small set of classes to communicate via LocalConnection. ... A third one is to utilize ExternalInterface. ... So, why not use one of the above methods. First off, Flash is powerful; it's not just a design asset. So, simply being loaded in isn't good enough for some functionality; Flash Flex need to talk. Secondly, LocalConnection isn't syncronous, and doesn't have good error checking. This makes debugging long and frustrating. Third, Externalnterface uses JavaScript. You've now gone from 2 languages to 3; ActionScript 3, ActionScript 2 (or 1), and JavaScript as well as at least 2 different tools; Flex Builder for ActionScript 3 and JavaScript and Flash 8 ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
FlashInterface requires/relies on Javascript, which means it'll only work in a browser. regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: Ian Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. IIRC there are a few problems/limitations with using LocalConnection. I had real trouble with getting it to work consistently. It might be worth taking a look at Robert Taylor's FlashInterface (which uses ExternalInterface). http://www.flashextensions.com/products/flashinterface.php Cheers, Ian On 6/7/07, Muzak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but is it not possible for AS2 movies to share data with AS3 at all Out of the box, not possible.. You need to use a LocalConnection to have the 2 AVM's communicate with each other, which by itself has limitations. For starters, 40k data limit. regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: Scott Whittaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Hi guys, I haven't had a chance to delve into using AS3 yet, and I know the AS1 and AS3 runtime engines in the Flash 9 player are totally seperate, but is it not possible for AS2 movies to share data with AS3 at all? Surely an AS3 movie can load an AS2 movie into itself and access it's properties? If so then it should be possible for an AS3 project to use an AS2 movie with remoting components and use movieclips for data storage and communication? It would be poor use of OO coding skills, but technically feasible and much less effort than re-engineering the components. And along those lines, isn't it possible to reverse-engineer the AS2 components with a decompiler, and rewrite the code in AS3? Scott ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Regarding Jason's question, NO. As yet Flash CS3 has no AS3 classes/components for WebService or Remoting. And no where have I seen any promised. (I would like to see them, so if anyone from Adobe is on this list and might like to tell us that there one day will be Flash CS3 AS3 Data Components, please chime in :-) That's INSANE!!! That really bites. I guess I'm really not as sad today as I was yesterday about not having CS3 yet, but then again, I guess I'm even more depressed when I think I don't have CS3 AND it won't support Remoting or Webservices. I can sort of get why Adobe would not spend the time to build a tree component for CS3 (sorrt of, it still sucks), but Remoting and Webservices? Are you serious? I wanted to build a Flash app that uses Papervision 3d and Webservices, but it doesn't seem possible does it? (Papervision is FP9/AS3 only right?) Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
There's a F8/AS2 version of Papervision, though I'd probably suggest going the F9/AS3 route. As far as Remoting/WebServices, I'm pretty sure they'll come out with an add-on package like they did with the previous versions. On top of that, if you wanted to build a Flash App, why not just use Flex? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Merrill, Jason Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:36 AM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Regarding Jason's question, NO. As yet Flash CS3 has no AS3 classes/components for WebService or Remoting. And no where have I seen any promised. (I would like to see them, so if anyone from Adobe is on this list and might like to tell us that there one day will be Flash CS3 AS3 Data Components, please chime in :-) That's INSANE!!! That really bites. I guess I'm really not as sad today as I was yesterday about not having CS3 yet, but then again, I guess I'm even more depressed when I think I don't have CS3 AND it won't support Remoting or Webservices. I can sort of get why Adobe would not spend the time to build a tree component for CS3 (sorrt of, it still sucks), but Remoting and Webservices? Are you serious? I wanted to build a Flash app that uses Papervision 3d and Webservices, but it doesn't seem possible does it? (Papervision is FP9/AS3 only right?) Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
There's a F8/AS2 version of Papervision, though I'd probably suggest going the F9/AS3 route. As far as Remoting/WebServices, I'm pretty sure they'll come out with an add-on package like they did with the previous versions. On top of that, if you wanted to build a Flash App, why not just use Flex? Several reasons. First, it's actually more of a Flash game - I could still use Flex sure, but need to finish learning it first, which takes time. I have spent days already (love it, but it's SOOO different than Flash), and would be some time before I can get it to do what I want and look how I want. Plus, I need to get either up on the free SDK or get my employer to purchase Flexbuilder 2, which has been difficult (not due to desire of my immediate supervisors, but more about purchasing burracracy). I already know Flash very well, so I wouldn't have to convince my supervisor I need the downtime to learn Flex. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
I have posted a new thread here on FlashCoders with the subject line Flash Remoting for Flash CS3 AS3. Cool. How about calling a WSDL - Webservice? Not possible in CS3? Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Jason, Regarding How about calling a WSDL - Webservice? Not possible in CS3? First I just want to rephrase that as Flash CS3 AS3 because for the AS2 components (aka V2 components) nothing has changed from Flash MX 2004 to Flash 8 to Flash CS3 (except FLVPlayback being introduced with Flash 8). The issue is with AS3 components only. As of Flash CS3 the package fl.* has been added for AS3 components. (In Flash the package mx.* remains AS2. Confusingly, Flex 2 has now appropriated mx.* for all of its components, which in Flex 2 are all AS3.) So, back to your question let me first finish rephrasing it: How about calling a WSDL - Webservice? Not possible in CS3 AS3? At the following link shockzone wrote on 11-10-2006: http://www.actionscript.org/forums/archive/index.php3/t-121396.html I got an email from Joey Lott the author of the AS3 Cookbook. Basically he said that in Flash 9 AS3 there is no built in web services. The only way you can do it is manually assemble and de-assemble SOAP request. Ouch. Note: the quote above predates the release of Flash CS3. Still, I see nothing in the released version of Flash CS3 that contradicts the quote above. Of course if anyone else can provide links to solutions for AS3 web services for Flash CS3 developers, please post asap :-) Now couple the quote above with what cayennecode wrote on the remoting thread on 5/11/2007 on the Adobe forums threadhttp://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=15catid=250threadid=1245196enterthread=y : But yeah, the DataSet class, RDBMSResolver class haven't been refactored for AS3. Making your life of easily walking through the remoting results more difficult, as well as listening to changes in the data model. Have fun building it !!! So is it possible? I guess so. But no, there are no AS3 components provided. And again, since at runtime AS2 and AS3 live in separate virtual machines, you can not use the AS2 components in building AS3 solutions. And, of course, the whole point of components is so that we do not have to build everything from scratch. Rapid Application Development and all that. So to recap. I think that Adobe made a misjudgment in not revving the full component set up to AS3. This thread makes me suspect that a few others on this list may feel the same way. (Mainly those who use Flash to create applications.) Maybe someday Adobe will deem it in their strategic interest to provide Flash a comprehensive, updated component set in-product. fwiw, when I have an opening in my schedule, a key Adobe employee that I will escalate this to is Richard Galvan. Richard took over as technical product manager for Flash back in Februaryhttp://blogs.adobe.com/rgalvan/2007/02/hello_and_welcome_1.html. Richard is a great guy. If anyone on this list knows Richard, please do not hesitate to contact him regarding your concerns. fyi, Richard blogs at: http://blogs.adobe.com/rgalvan/ Oh, and in the course of doublechecking this I found an example of Adobe disingenuousness here in the form of a blog post by Adobe employee Justin Everett-Church. Justin's post is a glowing review of the Flash CS3 AS3 components and is entitled AS2 and AS3 Components in Flash CS3 Professional. Of course he makes no mention that the AS3 component set is a dramatically scaled back set relative to the AS2 component set. But Justin was open in his biases in writing: http://justin.everett-church.com/index.php/2007/04/27/as2-and-as3-components-in-flash-cs3-professional/ I have to admit that I have never liked components. I prefer to build things from the ground up myself and have complete design control. fwiw, Justin has now moved onto the Flash Player product management teamhttp://justin.everett-church.com/index.php/2007/02/08/joining-the-flash-player-team/, so no sense in bothering him about the current sorry state of AS3 components in Flash CS3. Another example is in the docs. The docs do include ActionScript 2.0Migration, but it does not include components. What I think Adobe does reasonably owe us is a doc on ActionScript 2.0 to ActionScript 3.0Component Migration. Boy, now that sure would be a ringing indictment. Sorry that I can not offer anything more helpful at this time. If I do come up with solutions, I will post back. Of course if others have more to add, please post asap :-) g ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Wow, thanks for that post. Excellent information. That's a huge blow. So basically when it comes to Flash CS3 with AS3 all of us who have been using Webservices classes in Flash and want to keep doing so have only a few choices: 1) Learn Flex instead and try and make what you want to do in Flash in Flex. 2) Keep using Flash 8. 3) Try and do something entirely different with the NetConnection class (and it sounds much more difficult than it was previously due to the other missing data classes and debuggers, and you can't utilize Webservices with that can you? We have a huge set of WSDLs written in C# that would be un-usable if they were not modified). Same with Tree components and all the others previously mentioned. This is a major major major misstep in my opinion. In fact, a step BACK - I would GLADLY trade some of the new features like the Photoshop integration (is it really that big of a deal? I think it's cool, but it sounds like an Adobe-culture business goal instead of a genuine good use of a Flash team developer's time) or copy-paste animation for the missing Webservice classes and/or the others. AS3 is a very exciting new form of the language I've been anxious to start using. Too bad it can only be fully enjoyed in the Flex environment. I hope they are planning to update Flash CS3 with some of the missing classes and components soon. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component andWebService.
The complaint is that there's no AS3 version of the Data components and some UI Components (like the Tree) And that really bites because I use and abuse the Tree component on a regular basis in my AS2 / Flash MX04/8 projects! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Yes, who would have believed that Flash CS3 would yield AS3 components that are: - a reduced set of UI components from AS2 - no data components - elimination of databinding And as Randy points out, all this in the run up to Microsoft's Silverlight release. Based on my decades of experience in the computer industry, my opinion is that Microsoft does not necessarily win, so much as their competition fails. I see Adobe's abandoning the commitment to provide a comprehensive, updated component set in-product with Flash CS3 as just such a failure. Tragic. g P.S. Since Adobe abandoned Flash data components for AS3, I am proceeding on the assumption that it is illogical that they would now provide an AS3 remoting update for Flash. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
What is the alternative to a tree component in CS3 within the Adobe world - is there something in Flex which replaces it? Yes, there is a nice Tree component in Flex. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Yes, Flex has AS3 versions of all of the components that Flash 8 had and then some. That is the point. The message is pretty clear: If you want a comprehensive, state of the art component set use Flex. You can preview the full set of Flex UI components here: http://examples.adobe.com/flex2/inproduct/sdk/explorer/explorer.html The decision to not rev all Flash 8 components up to AS3 was a conscious business decision. In retrospect maybe not a good business decision, but certainly a conscious business decision. g P.S. Remember, the Flex framework is far more heavy than the Flash CS3 AS3 component framework. P.P.S. I regret that Adobe has consciously chosen not to fully support AS3 application development in both Flash and Flex. As much as Flex supports an authoring style better suited for some developers than the Flash IDE, the Flex IDE will not suit some developers for whom the Flash IDE is good. By not providing a comprehensive, updated component set in-product with Flash CS3 Adobe is alienating some of the most talented and capable Flash developers who have been vital to their success in the first place. P.P.P.S. In addition to gskinner.com, the other half of the team that created the Flash CS3 AS3 components was metaliq.com. I have to say, I personally find it disconcerting that the first entry listed by the Silverlight product manager touting the Silverlight release is a Silverlight application built by metaliq.com. Microsoft video of metaliq.com's Top Banana video editor sample application here: http://silverlight.net/learn/learnvideo.aspx?video=73 Silverlight product manager page which was source for the link above is here: http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/05/07/silverlight.aspx ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
I think the main factor on the components was more of a time factor to meet with the CS3 release timing as opposed to just removing functionality. Most new releases of a software don't remove functionality, but deprecate it. Removing something like the tree component or web services from flash 9 cs3 is a major mistake. It appears to me that to implement it in actionscript 3.0 is a major undertaking -- the funny thing is that most of the code is done in the flex framework. Take the example of where some ads or placements that require web services in flash require the movie to be under 100K. This is impossible to do with flex because of just the sheer nature of the download size. If enough of us request it from adobe I'm sure it will get integrated. It seems that it was more of a time factor decision than anything else. greg h wrote: Yes, Flex has AS3 versions of all of the components that Flash 8 had and then some. That is the point. The message is pretty clear: If you want a comprehensive, state of the art component set use Flex. You can preview the full set of Flex UI components here: http://examples.adobe.com/flex2/inproduct/sdk/explorer/explorer.html ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Have a look at this: http://examples.adobe.com/flex2/inproduct/sdk/explorer/explorer.html careful when your jaw drops.. ;-) And this is what you can do with them (and alot more): http://examples.adobe.com/flex2/consulting/styleexplorer/Flex2StyleExplorer.html regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: Mark Mulhollam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:00 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. I have used the tree extensively on my own website and am pretty disappointed in Adobe. What is the alternative to a tree component in CS3 within the Adobe world - is there something in Flex which replaces it? Mark ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Sorry, I don't buy the time factor argument. Everything, including webservices and flash remoting was already there, written for Flex 2. Unfortunatly you can not just grab the webservice/remoting source files and copy them over to Flash, they're compiled as a swc file. UI Component class source files (like the Tree) are available, so you might be able to just grab those. regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: Austin Kottke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. I think the main factor on the components was more of a time factor to meet with the CS3 release timing as opposed to just removing functionality. Most new releases of a software don't remove functionality, but deprecate it. Removing something like the tree component or web services from flash 9 cs3 is a major mistake. It appears to me that to implement it in actionscript 3.0 is a major undertaking -- the funny thing is that most of the code is done in the flex framework. Take the example of where some ads or placements that require web services in flash require the movie to be under 100K. This is impossible to do with flex because of just the sheer nature of the download size. If enough of us request it from adobe I'm sure it will get integrated. It seems that it was more of a time factor decision than anything else. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Everything, including webservices and flash remoting was already there, written for Flex 2. Unfortunatly you can not just grab the webservice/remoting source files and copy them over to Flash, they're compiled as a swc file. So dumb question, I haven't looked and don't have CS3 yet, but are both Webservices and Remoting available in Flash CS3 for Actionscript 3.0? Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
If it wasn't so enmeshed in the flex framework, the tree component could be written to work with the flash components. When you try and compile the components it balks about mx_internal namespace not being defined. 1004: Namespace was not found or is not a compile-time constant. Apparently the flash 9 cs3 compiler uses the same compiler so I dont see why this couldnt be done to integrate parts of the flex framework components into flash. That would be awesome. Best, Austin Muzak wrote: Sorry, I don't buy the time factor argument. Everything, including webservices and flash remoting was already there, written for Flex 2. Unfortunatly you can not just grab the webservice/remoting source files and copy them over to Flash, they're compiled as a swc file. UI Component class source files (like the Tree) are available, so you might be able to just grab those. regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: Austin Kottke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
You can do remoting with Netconnection.calls. Web Services are nonexistent for flash player 9 apps created in flash 9 cs3. We definitely need to get this integrated fully. Merrill, Jason wrote: Everything, including webservices and flash remoting was already there, written for Flex 2. Unfortunatly you can not just grab the webservice/remoting source files and copy them over to Flash, they're compiled as a swc file. So dumb question, I haven't looked and don't have CS3 yet, but are both Webservices and Remoting available in Flash CS3 for Actionscript 3.0? Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Apparently the flash 9 cs3 compiler uses the same compiler so I dont see why this couldnt be done to integrate parts of the flex framework components into flash. That would be awesome. That's not as easy as it sounds. Base classes work differently, styling works differently, etc pp, Flash doesn't have a System Manager, etc, etc, etc. Cheers, Claus. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Regarding Jason's question, NO. As yet Flash CS3 has no AS3 classes/components for WebService or Remoting. And no where have I seen any promised. (I would like to see them, so if anyone from Adobe is on this list and might like to tell us that there one day will be Flash CS3 AS3 Data Components, please chime in :-) If you would like to see the inventory of what we have, here is the top level link for livedocs for Flash CS3: http://livedocs.adobe.com/flash/9.0/main/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm And here is the top level for the Flash CS3 ActionScript 3.0 Language and Components Reference: http://livedocs.adobe.com/flash/9.0/ActionScriptLangRefV3/index.html Regarding integrate parts of the flex framework components into flash, as Claus points out, there are issues. I am confident that if it were straight forward, Adobe would have done it for the Flash CS3 AS3 components. Though this thread suggests that some of us consider the Flash CS3 AS3 component set to be incomplete, one goal that Adobe did achieve was keeping them as lightweight as possible. As we all know, Flex is not lightweight. There is the devil's bargain in component development. What makes Flex Flex is that it is not Flash. And the fact that the Flash CS3 AS3 components are so lightweight really highlights this. fwiw ... Even going the easier route of integrating Flash AS3 content in to Flex is a little involved. Adobe has put up on labs the Adobe Flex Component Kit for Adobe Flash CS3. The thumbnail description is Allows you to easily convert Flash content into Flex components providing seamless integration between Flash CS3 and Flex. But it is a one way street, Flash into Flex only. Details here: http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Component_Kit_for_Flash_CS3 Regarding Austin's earlier statement about possible time factor considerations, I assume that this is a hypothesis on Austin's part. Unless Austin knows something that I don't know I am sticking with my firsthand understanding that The decision to not rev all Flash 8 components up to AS3 was a conscious business decision. No issues regarding time factors. Just priorities. I.e. conscious strategic business decisions. I do totally concur with Austin that Most new releases of a software don't remove functionality. And Adobe might just say we did not remove any of the AS2 components ... But because AS2 and AS3 logic live in separate virtual machines, were anyone from Adobe to say that they did not remove functionality, I would think them disingenuous. And please note that Grant did reply to that thread on his blog. And Grant's only reply is for us to email our requests for a comprehensive, state of the art component set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] lol. And with Flash Player 9 likely to be at 90% or so by the June studyhttp://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/archives/2007/04/sneak_peek_at_t.cfm this month, it is getting safe for us to be moving on to AS3 development. I concur with Austin that Removing something like the tree component or web services from flash 9 cs3 is a major mistake. However, I neither work for Adobe nor was I consulted when they made that (for us) fateful decision :-( Lastly, since gskinner.com and metaliq.com had teamed uphttp://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2005/07/glic_is_dead.htmlin the AS2 era to deliver the mCOM components http://metaliq.com/mcom/, I kind of hoped that they would deliver AS3 components to fill the gap. Heck, Adobe did pay them to create the Flash CS3 AS3 componentshttp://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2006/09/building_the_v3.html. How hard would it be for them to create some more? But based on my limited conversations with Beau and others at Metaliq my sense is that this is not going to happen :-( What really slays me is that all the early reviews of these components were universally glowing. Only now that we developers are going about our work did anyone comment on the huge chunk of the component set that did not get included in the Flash CS3 AS3 components. But hey, that just get's back to Kalani's I did not speak out verse at the top of this thread. /rant g ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Good points. My only thing on the upgrading is, you make an application that includes some components from version 8. You then get the new software (version 9) and try to port an application over to use it in version 9 to take advantage of the speed and other features, etc. Skinning, e4X - Papervision! You then cannot port the application over because you now have the components which you relied on from version 8 missing. So you now have to rewrite these or go find some alternate solution. It just doesn't make a lot of sense on the business decision unless all flash developers are to now port existing projects over to flex. :) It would be good if Adobe could make an official statement on this. greg h wrote: Regarding Jason's question, NO. As yet Flash CS3 has no AS3 classes/components for WebService or Remoting. And no where have I seen any promised. (I would like to see them, so if anyone from Adobe is on this list and might like to tell us that there one day will be Flash CS3 AS3 Data Components, please chime in :-) If you would like to see the inventory of what we have, here is the top level link for livedocs for Flash CS3: http://livedocs.adobe.com/flash/9.0/main/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm And here is the top level for the Flash CS3 ActionScript 3.0 Language and Components Reference: http://livedocs.adobe.com/flash/9.0/ActionScriptLangRefV3/index.html Regarding integrate parts of the flex framework components into flash, as Claus points out, there are issues. I am confident that if it were straight forward, Adobe would have done it for the Flash CS3 AS3 components. Though this thread suggests that some of us consider the Flash CS3 AS3 component set to be incomplete, one goal that Adobe did achieve was keeping them as lightweight as possible. As we all know, Flex is not lightweight. There is the devil's bargain in component development. What makes Flex Flex is that it is not Flash. And the fact that the Flash CS3 AS3 components are so lightweight really highlights this. fwiw ... Even going the easier route of integrating Flash AS3 content in to Flex is a little involved. Adobe has put up on labs the Adobe Flex Component Kit for Adobe Flash CS3. The thumbnail description is Allows you to easily convert Flash content into Flex components providing seamless integration between Flash CS3 and Flex. But it is a one way street, Flash into Flex only. Details here: http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Component_Kit_for_Flash_CS3 Regarding Austin's earlier statement about possible time factor considerations, I assume that this is a hypothesis on Austin's part. Unless Austin knows something that I don't know I am sticking with my firsthand understanding that The decision to not rev all Flash 8 components up to AS3 was a conscious business decision. No issues regarding time factors. Just priorities. I.e. conscious strategic business decisions. I do totally concur with Austin that Most new releases of a software don't remove functionality. And Adobe might just say we did not remove any of the AS2 components ... But because AS2 and AS3 logic live in separate virtual machines, were anyone from Adobe to say that they did not remove functionality, I would think them disingenuous. And please note that Grant did reply to that thread on his blog. And Grant's only reply is for us to email our requests for a comprehensive, state of the art component set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] lol. And with Flash Player 9 likely to be at 90% or so by the June studyhttp://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/archives/2007/04/sneak_peek_at_t.cfm this month, it is getting safe for us to be moving on to AS3 development. I concur with Austin that Removing something like the tree component or web services from flash 9 cs3 is a major mistake. However, I neither work for Adobe nor was I consulted when they made that (for us) fateful decision :-( Lastly, since gskinner.com and metaliq.com had teamed uphttp://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2005/07/glic_is_dead.htmlin the AS2 era to deliver the mCOM components http://metaliq.com/mcom/, I kind of hoped that they would deliver AS3 components to fill the gap. Heck, Adobe did pay them to create the Flash CS3 AS3 componentshttp://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2006/09/building_the_v3.html. How hard would it be for them to create some more? But based on my limited conversations with Beau and others at Metaliq my sense is that this is not going to happen :-( What really slays me is that all the early reviews of these components were universally glowing. Only now that we developers are going about our work did anyone comment on the huge chunk of the component set that did not get included in the Flash CS3 AS3 components. But hey, that just get's back to Kalani's I did not speak out verse at the top of this thread. /rant g ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Spot on Austin. Yup. You then get the new software ... and try to port an application and You then cannot ... because you ... have ... components ... missing. Yes sirree, that is how I figured it out. Regarding It would be good if Adobe could make an official statement on this. Like maybe a technote? I am tempted to bet you $100 that this will not happen. But to me it is so stupifying I imagine that at some point Adobe will need to put out at least a technote or someting to explain this illogical gap. (So I am not going to offer the bet.) And regarding all flash developers ... now port[ing] existing projects over to flex. Well, if anyone is porting their apps I am hoping it is to Flex. ... and not Silverlight. As I wrote earlier I regret that Adobe has consciously chosen not to fully support AS3 application development in both Flash and Flex. g ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them. Which is the prod that finally has me looking seriously at Silverlight this weekend. We have money and projects set aside for our first forays into CS3, but this makes me pause. RT ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Hi You have to choose AS 2.0 inorder to use the tree component if you use AS 3.0 som components are missing 2007/6/1, Ung, Seng [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Has anyone noticed that the tree component is missing from the CS3 Web Premium prof. copy after the installation? Is there a link from Adobe site for us to download the tree component? ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Rene Skou Jensen -- Joomla video guides Next generation learning videos Showing how to use joomla and 3nd part software. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
You have to choose AS 2.0 inorder to use the tree component if you use AS 3.0 som components are missing Exactly. Unfortunately, those components are indispensable to us. We use them literally every day. RT ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component and Web Service.
You know what's funny about the web service component missing from flash cs3? It's actually in the help documentation as part of flash 9 CS 3: Web services Adobe® Flash® CS3 Professional includes the WebServiceConnector component that lets you connect to remote web services, send and receive data, and bind results to components. This lets Flash developers quickly create Rich Internet Applications without having to write a single line of ActionScript. You can consume remote web services by using WebServiceClasses, which can require writing complex ActionScript. Yet it's nowhere to be found in flash cs3 professional. Personally I dont care about the component as much as I do the classes themselves. Adobe? Randy Tinfow wrote: You have to choose AS 2.0 inorder to use the tree component if you use AS 3.0 som components are missing Exactly. Unfortunately, those components are indispensable to us. We use them literally every day. RT ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component andWeb Service.
If you open/create an ActionScript 2.0 document, the WebServiceConnector and all other Data components are still available. Those are the same ones as in the Flash 8 IDE. The complaint is that there's no AS3 version of the Data components and some UI Components (like the Tree) regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: Austin Kottke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component andWeb Service. You know what's funny about the web service component missing from flash cs3? It's actually in the help documentation as part of flash 9 CS 3: Web services Adobe Flash CS3 Professional includes the WebServiceConnector component that lets you connect to remote web services, send and receive data, and bind results to components. This lets Flash developers quickly create Rich Internet Applications without having to write a single line of ActionScript. You can consume remote web services by using WebServiceClasses, which can require writing complex ActionScript. Yet it's nowhere to be found in flash cs3 professional. Personally I dont care about the component as much as I do the classes themselves. Adobe? ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Thats funny. Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them. Adobe's reign of terror and the rise of the Anti-Flash...Flex. First they came for the Accordion and I did not speak out because I did not use the Accordion. Then they came for the Menu MenuBar and I did not speak out because I did not use them. Then they came for the Alert, DateChooser, DateField, and Window and I did not speak out because I was didn't use them very much Then they came for my Tree and there was no one left to speak out for me. http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2007/04/flash_cs3_compo.html (read comments) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ung, Seng Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:17 PM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Has anyone noticed that the tree component is missing from the CS3 Web Premium prof. copy after the installation? Is there a link from Adobe site for us to download the tree component? ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
That's not the only things *missing*.. No Flash Remoting No Webservices - Original Message - From: Kalani Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:11 AM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Thats funny. Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them. Adobe's reign of terror and the rise of the Anti-Flash...Flex. First they came for the Accordion and I did not speak out because I did not use the Accordion. Then they came for the Menu MenuBar and I did not speak out because I did not use them. Then they came for the Alert, DateChooser, DateField, and Window and I did not speak out because I was didn't use them very much Then they came for my Tree and there was no one left to speak out for me. http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2007/04/flash_cs3_compo.html (read comments) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ung, Seng Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:17 PM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Has anyone noticed that the tree component is missing from the CS3 Web Premium prof. copy after the installation? Is there a link from Adobe site for us to download the tree component? ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
I think it's kind of odd actually. Remove functionality in the newest version... I know they have to convert all the components to as3 - seems kind of odd though. The web service removal is a major problem though as this is kind of a basic. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Flash Remoting has always been a separate download, but I would think that they would have shipped it with CS3 considering. I assume it's on their site as a separate download? Muzak wrote: That's not the only things *missing*.. No Flash Remoting No Webservices - Original Message - From: Kalani Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:11 AM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Thats funny. Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them. Adobe's reign of terror and the rise of the Anti-Flash...Flex. First they came for the Accordion and I did not speak out because I did not use the Accordion. Then they came for the Menu MenuBar and I did not speak out because I did not use them. Then they came for the Alert, DateChooser, DateField, and Window and I did not speak out because I was didn't use them very much Then they came for my Tree and there was no one left to speak out for me. http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2007/04/flash_cs3_compo.html (read comments) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ung, Seng Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:17 PM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Has anyone noticed that the tree component is missing from the CS3 Web Premium prof. copy after the installation? Is there a link from Adobe site for us to download the tree component? ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
I know it's a seperate download and have been checking the Adobe site now and then for a new release, but nothing.. One would think that they'd learn from previous *mistakes*. Every new release people ask where's Flash Remoting? IIRC it took Macromedia six months to come up with the first AS2 Remoting version. And they repeated that with Flash 8.. Now in all fairness, Remoting is not rocket science and it's not that hard to come up with your own version using NetConnection. Or maybe we can just grab the Flex version and use that (haven't tried yet). regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: Steven Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Flash Remoting has always been a separate download, but I would think that they would have shipped it with CS3 considering. I assume it's on their site as a separate download? Muzak wrote: That's not the only things *missing*.. No Flash Remoting No Webservices - Original Message - From: Kalani Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:11 AM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Thats funny. Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them. Adobe's reign of terror and the rise of the Anti-Flash...Flex. First they came for the Accordion and I did not speak out because I did not use the Accordion. Then they came for the Menu MenuBar and I did not speak out because I did not use them. Then they came for the Alert, DateChooser, DateField, and Window and I did not speak out because I was didn't use them very much Then they came for my Tree and there was no one left to speak out for me. http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2007/04/flash_cs3_compo.html (read comments) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ung, Seng Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:17 PM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Has anyone noticed that the tree component is missing from the CS3 Web Premium prof. copy after the installation? Is there a link from Adobe site for us to download the tree component? ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them. Hmm, maybe third-party component set is a good choice too, like AsWinghttp://www.aswing.org, it has Tree, Accordion, Menu MenuBar ... :) -- iiley AsWing http://www.aswing.org Personal http://www.iiley.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
And I'll bet that not even half this list knows how to get them to work (no offense anyone). regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: iiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them. Hmm, maybe third-party component set is a good choice too, like AsWinghttp://www.aswing.org, it has Tree, Accordion, Menu MenuBar ... :) -- iiley ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
I agree with you Muzak, i guess so too. But for a new framework, yes you need time to study, but i'll bet AsWing is worth to spent minutes to try. There are Tutorials : http://www.aswing.org/?page_id=6 There are Showcase : http://www.aswing.org/?page_id=7 Component Set Demo : http://demo.aswing.org/ComSet.swf , http://demo.aswing.org/ComSetSkin.swf If you think it useful or interesting in minutes, then study it. Maybe its new, maybe you are already familiar with it(If you know Swing). Just, another choice of components. Regards~~ 2007/6/2, Muzak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And I'll bet that not even half this list knows how to get them to work (no offense anyone). regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: iiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them. Hmm, maybe third-party component set is a good choice too, like AsWinghttp://www.aswing.org, it has Tree, Accordion, Menu MenuBar ... :) -- iiley ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- iiley AsWing http://www.aswing.org Personal http://www.iiley.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.
ASWing is a nice alternative, but not a replacement for the Flash components. Meaning, if Adobe wanted people to use other components, why did they even bother with a crippled set in the first place. ASWing components are code only, there's no visual representation on stage, no representation in the Components Panel that you can drag and drop from. That alone will make most Flash users run away screaming (or something like that) ;-). And I'm not a big fan of the API (sorry).. isEditable() setEditable() should (IMO) just be a property: editable Anyway, we're kinda hijacking the thread now, so I'll leave it at that.. regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: iiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. I agree with you Muzak, i guess so too. But for a new framework, yes you need time to study, but i'll bet AsWing is worth to spent minutes to try. There are Tutorials : http://www.aswing.org/?page_id=6 There are Showcase : http://www.aswing.org/?page_id=7 Component Set Demo : http://demo.aswing.org/ComSet.swf , http://demo.aswing.org/ComSetSkin.swf If you think it useful or interesting in minutes, then study it. Maybe its new, maybe you are already familiar with it(If you know Swing). Just, another choice of components. Regards~~ 2007/6/2, Muzak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And I'll bet that not even half this list knows how to get them to work (no offense anyone). regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: iiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component. Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them. Hmm, maybe third-party component set is a good choice too, like AsWinghttp://www.aswing.org, it has Tree, Accordion, Menu MenuBar ... :) -- iiley ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com