Re: [Flightgear-devel] Moving menus (aka, usability)
Hi, - merge 'Autopilot' into the Equipment menu, as a section (probably the first section) I have no objection with this. - potentially rename 'Environment' to 'World' Environment word looks fine to me. A quick search on Google reveal that X-Plane use Environment but FSX use World. So other simulators doesn't help here :-D reserve the Ctrl (Command on Mac) keybinding space for menu/non-aircraft keyboard shortcuts I agree with this. Regards, Clément -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60133471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] spelling fix: compatability
Markus, It's now fixed in next branch ;-) https://gitorious.org/fg/flightgear/commit/023c136d40cab24d994d29f2cd05e812ec3a8670 Thanks you Regards, Clément -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] portability of simgear
Hi, License issue: Unfortunately here is a delicate case, some license are GPL simply because the source code has moved from FG to SG and author didn't updated the license. Some MIT or Expat license are used but we can't change the license with our own decision. For now we would admit SG is a multiple licenses project. Patches: I'm not qualified to apply these patches because I'm not involved in this part but someone can certainly take a look at them: - http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/simgear.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/CVE-2012-2090.diff;h=cfa42d32745f1ce7c652134e1a71d1c1cc5060df;hb=HEAD - http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/simgear.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/CVE-2012-2091.diff;h=11a24cda80586757a426022762770399052204a3;hb=HEAD - http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/simgear.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/gcc-macro-correction.diff;h=d530cd0c4e10f7ca96178bac41645f09842cdac8;hb=HEAD Regards, Clément -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. Consolidate legacy IT systems to a single system of record for IT 2. Standardize and globalize service processes across IT 3. Implement zero-touch automation to replace manual, redundant tasks http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=5127iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] portability of simgear
Hi Markus, I'm glad to see you are looking at simgear's update for Debian. However we are ready to release simgear 2.12 in next days, so I would suggest you to spend your time with simgear 2.12 instead of (soon outdated) 2.10 We have a lot of lacks for many years about package diffusion for Ubuntu/Debian ( version 2.6 is still diffused while we released 2.8 one year ago and 2.10 6 months ago) How can I help you maintaining this diffusion in order to always diffuse the latest stable version ? About platform's support: looking at our lacks I would suggest to focus on main platforms for now. If we are able to provide the 2.12 version for amd64 and i386 we are feeding 95% (maybe more) of our users. Linux users are lucky to have a package manager (compared to Windows users who need to download the package by searching on the Web) so it's important to keep the diffused package up-to-date in order to give a better experience to our users. Regards, Clément -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041391iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear voice communication
Lloyd, $ROOT/extensions.conf is created by the script in the same folder you are executing the script then moved to /etc/asterisk. Here is the content of extensions.conf: (this file must be in /etc/asterisk) [general] static=yes writeprotect=yes ; [default] #include fgcom.conf include = fgcom DAHDI is here for sync purpose required by meetme (the plugin used by Asterisk to manage chat rooms) Have you generated the fgcom.conf file ? it is correctly placed in /etc/asterisk ? I just tried to connect to your server but the connection is refused. You should open port 4569 UDP Feel you free to contact me personally if you need more assistance. Regards, Clément -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [patch] Segfault bugfix
This is now fixed ! Thanks you for your report Regards, Clément -- Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance Management. Visit us today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [patch] Segfault bugfix
Alan, Unfortunately I'm not able to reproduce the crash you describe here on Linux. Considering you use the last source code, I would wait that james set up his Windows machine to investigate this. Since you are a Windows user I would have some questions: - Does/ FGCom integrated is working for you ? You can try with a simple echo test - Are you able to enable/disable FGCom integrated at runtime ? - Does FG crashing when you Reset (File Reset) ? - Are you able to switch sound device in File Sound configuration with FGCom interated enabled ? (Hoping you have more than 1 sound device) - Does FG crashing at close (File Quit) ? All these test must be done with an uptodate fgdata and flightgear. Regards, Clément -- Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance Management. Visit us today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [patch] Segfault bugfix
Alan, My precedent fix has certinaly solved your reset/reposition-in-air crash. guest/guest account is correct. You should be able to use the echo test by checking the checkbox Test once you have enabled FGCom, and so you should hear your echo. Is it working ? Another test you can do: open the radio dialog (F12) then set frequency 911.00MHz, now you should hear music. Is it working ? Last test, flying around Toulouse (LFBO), set frequency 123.125MHz, now you should hear my ATIS message. Is it working ? About crash at close, it seems to be only with Windows, I hope James will be able to do some test with his Windows machine. Regards, Clément -- Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance Management. Visit us today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear voice communication
Hi all, Registration can be really usefull if some of our user are considering there is too many children on the frequency. Ebery body has the possibility to setup its own FGCom server disabling the guest:guest account and only accept registered pilot on their server. In this case server admin can choose who can use his server or not. He just need to add an account for each user he is accepting to use his server. If you need to restart FGCom, just un-check then re-check the Enable checkbox in FGCom dialog, that's done ! :) I'm not convinced adding a string is relevant, in real life you haven't a message you tell you if you are correctly connected to X frequency. The only way to check is to look at your radio, in FG it's the same. FGCom standalone is not yet ready for the new FGCom server because he use an old positions.txt file. If you upgrade your server now every OpenRadar/FGCom standalone user won't be able to connect to most of frequencies and here is my main problem... FGCom has been created with some bugs and now it's time to solve them but it require to loose the compatibility with old FGCom. That's something really hard to deal. As resume: - If you upgrade your server OpenRadar/FGCom standalone will be unsable until positions.txt is upgraded - If we upgrade positions.txt, your server will be unusable for OpenRadar/FGCom standalone - Until positions.txt is not upgraded OpenRadar/FGCom cannot use fgcom.flightgear.org As example, today if you use FGCom integrated and you are connected to fgcom.flightgear.org you need to set 118.175MHz (which is correct in real life) in order to be connected to Carpentras LFNH Twr. If you are connected to delta384.server4you.de you need to set 118.170MHz (which is wrong in real life) in order to be connected to Carpentras LFNH Twr. As you can see it looks like a headache... I think we are forced to break the old compatibility for a time (once every client are up to date everything will works as expected). But this new feature has revelated others projects. If we choose to develop another communication system we will break the system again... A solution could be to release a new FGCom standalone (used by OpenRadar) compatible with fgcom.flightgear.org with FG 3.0.0. Once FG (and so FGCom) 3.0.0 are released you can upgrade your server. For information I've create a script which do all the work for you, you just need to setup a debian system, then execute the script, take a long coffee, then come back and you have a working FGCom server. The script is available at: http://clemaez.dyndns.org/build_fgcom_server.sh I see we share the same worries about the bandwidth, I agree we need to have a solution for sharing FGCom bandwidth. It seems IAX trunk is the solution but I don't know how to setup this for now. @Adrian: feel you free to inform me about your works for radio propagation - fgcom. We will see what we can do and if the server side can manage it. Regards, Clément -- Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance Management. Visit us today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] KT70 Transponder modify to 2.12
Hi, Thanks you for the report! I've applied your fix and some tweaks to master and release/2.12.0 branch. 8 aircrafts are using this transponder, they will work as expected for FG 2.12.0 Regards, Clément -- Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance Management. Visit us today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear voice communication
Dirk, - bandwith: Good catch ! indeed silent variable is set by the threshold, so it can be worth to investigate here. Once the current state of FGCom will be merged I will try to add this threshold function. - frequencies range: I understand your problem about multiple identical frequences but it seems the problem comes from our apt.dat file which is excessively out-dated. Looking at Jeppensen charts it appears that - EDBM doesn't transmit on 124.170 in real world : http://va-transaero.ru/files/charts/EDBM.pdf (look at last page) - EDDE doesn't transmit on 119.700 in real world : http://va-transaero.ru/files/charts/EDDE.pdf (look at last page) - EDDC doesn't transmit on 119.700 in real world : http://va-transaero.ru/files/charts/EDDC.pdf (look at last page) - EDAH doesn't transmit on 119.700 in real world : http://norway04.cfg023.de/charts/EDAH-Heringsdorf.pdf (look at first page) So finally in real world there is no frequencies conflict, the problem comes from our apt.dat file. For information the new fgcom.flightgear.org server use a dialBook generated with the last apt.dat (04/2013) and FGCom building is ready to use the last 5 number ( in real worlt 124.170 doesn't exist, it's 124.175 since we use 25KHz spacing) I hope apt.dat file will be updated as soon as possible. Regards, Clément -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM
Hi Holger, I'm glad to know that FGCom integration is surprising you. It seems you have a pretty well vision of the perfect solution for radio simulation and I agree with you on this how-it-should-works. As James said, all of this is mostly based on P2P architecture which is far to be the easier things to create :) - Each client need to know the position of others clients - Each client must send a _clean_ sound signal (no distortion, no attenuation...) - Each client need to calculate the distorsion/attenuation of others clients depending of their distance (I'm callsign01; callsign02 is at 20nm from me = I can hear him loud, callsign03 is at 120nm from me = I can hear him quiet, callsign04... etc... etc...) We could also use a centralized architecture with a server which could works like: - I know the position and frequency of each clients - callsign01 is speaking on 122.50MHz - callsign02 is listening on 122.50MHz, the distance between callsign01 and callsign02 is 20nm = I send a clean signal from callsign01 to callsign02 - callsign03 is listening on 122.50MHz, the distance between callsign01 and callsign03 is 120nm = I send a distorted/attenuated signal from callsign01 to callsign02 - ... - ... I can't imagine the amount of work to create this new system. Also I have absolutely no idea where we should start if we really want (need?) this _much_ realistic system. Do you have any hint ? For sure this level of realism would be a really nice feature. But I admit I don't know if our users will be _much_more_ happy with this level of realism and they need/want this level of realism OR are they already very happy to have a simple way of communication better than a simple TeamSpeak-like application ? In this case is it necessary to work during months and months on this project ? Is it worth ? Of course if this level of realism I would be happy to use it ! But I'm not sure to be ready to work on this (big) project for only few of our pro-realistic users. But if the task is supported by some people, devs are involved, and my skills are sufficient, yes I would be part of this effort ;) Regards, Clément -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear voice communication
Hi Dirk, Thanks you for your feedback ! I will try to bring you some answer. - bandwith: Indeed IAXClient has a function called void iaxc_set_silence_threshold(float thr); unfortunately, looking at source code this function does exactly the same as we are doing in FGCom source code : set input_volume to 0. So silent still sent over network. - share bandwith with other servers: Your solution seems to be not the better choice, what happens if someone fly during a long distance which require to disconnect from the current server then reconnect to the new one ? I think a better solution would be to investigate into IAX trunk, but it looks like we need to replace meet_me by confbridge... It require some skills that I haven't for now, if you want to investigate into this you are welcome ;) - Dialbook get number: This is already done in the new integrated FGCom - As main problem I see in the ranges of frequencies: In the new integrated FGCom ranges is dynamically calculated depending of the altitude of the pilot/ATC in accordance to this formula : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocommunication_a%C3%A9ronautique#Port.C3.A9e_et_propagation (sorry only french page has the formula) Today I asked James to merge my clone into next branch, so this feature will be soon available. Regards, Clément -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG 2.12 RC Broken ?
Hi Ahmad, For the record , the last development version is *OpenSceneGraph-3.1.5, released on 12th March 2013* at http://trac.openscenegraph.org/projects/osg/wiki/Downloads/DeveloperReleases For your information http://trac.openscenegraph.org is the old OSG website. So you are looking for wrong information. The last dev version is 3.1.8 and even 3.1.9 has been already tagged in trunk : http://www.openscenegraph.org/index.php/download-section/developer-releases Another bug that I've just reported : http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg40378.html OSG seems to bring some big changes for now... I think we shouldn't add the patch about Ensure compatibility with OSG 3.1.8 for the 2.12.0 release and simply announce that FG 2.12.0 require last stable OSG 3.0.1 Once 2.12.0 is released we could spend some time to look at updating our code in compliance with last OSG. Regards, Clément -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SimGear build fails
Hi all, Today OSG has moved to 3.1.9 introducing a new bug :/ http://clemaez.fr/flightgear/Screenshot/Capture%20du%202013-06-29%2021:52:21.png http://clemaez.fr/flightgear/Screenshot/Capture%20du%202013-06-29%2023:27:23.png http://clemaez.fr/flightgear/Screenshot/Capture%20du%202013-06-29%2023:26:26.png Ground textures and runway textures are OK, also we can see that some texture are OK in the cockpit but other are bad. I don't see why some texture are OK and other are bad. Hopefully SG/FG 2.12.0 and OSG 3.0.1 still working has expected. Maybe this discussion on OSG forum can help : http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=12416 Regards, Clément -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear voice communication
Hi all, I've now implemented all what I wanted about FGCom. Now FGCom built-in is stable and fully working. As stated with James, it's planned to add the feature once 2.12 branch is created. Also Vivian will add the new dialog ( http://i83.servimg.com/u/f83/16/09/76/33/captur13.png ) in fgdata at same time. Usage and working: - In order to use FGCom built in you need to compile FG with -DENABLE-IAX=ON (default is OFF) then running FG with --enable-fgcom - You can set a server with --prop:/sim/fgcom/server=mydomain.com - Missing --enable-fgcom or disable-fgcom have the same effect : FGCom is not activated - You can switch FGCom server at run-time just by selecting a server in the server list available in the GUI dialog - You can use the Test Mode by checking the Test checkbox - You can enable/disable FGCom at run-time by checking Enable checkbox - Registration is working About registration: For those who want to use a private/restrictive FGCom server (Virtual Airlines ?), you can setup your own FGCom server and remove the guest user then add a username/password for your user. In this way, only allowed person can use your server. It's possible to connect this feature with a database (mySQL, PostGreSQL...) and a website. In this case you can setup a website with a registration webpage which add a record in your database then the user is automatically allowed to use your FGCom server (immediately, or after validation... depending how you want to add a record to your database) This is not directly related to FG development, but about website/asterisk dev, so feel you free to use the forum or contact me for more info. For remember, my clone is available at https://gitorious.org/~f-jjth/fg/f-jjths-flightgear @James: Feel you free to push my latest work from my topics/fgcom branch to the FG topics/fgcom branch Cheers, Clément -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear voice communication
Hi Pedro, Asterisk is not a peer-to-peer based infrastructure. Bandwidth cost is ~40kb/s by user (upstreamdownstream)Sound card is not required. The most important things for FGCom hosting is to be able to maintain the server once he is started :-) I'm saying that because a big update (but easy to manage) will be required once 850 terrain (or at least apt.dat) will be used as default in FG. Sorry for the long delay before reply and the small reply, I'm currently busy. For information James is ready to push the fgcom feature soon in topics/fgcom branch. Cheers,Clément -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear voice communication
Jörg, Could it be possible to start 2 instances of FGCOM in the background (just with different ports) and thus be able to switch between those two from within FGFS? Ok in this case I will keep active COM1 and COM2, but keep in mind that you _can't_ listen to COM1 and COM2 at same time. Could there be a restart-button (just in case)? Of course, a new GUI dialog (designed by Vivian, thanks to him!) will come with FGCom In this GUI dialog you have a checkbox Enable FGCom, if you uncheck then re-check it the whole FGCom subsystem is reinitialized. James, I would say that would be 'quite' tough, but more likely we can run two instances of iaxclient simultaneously. It could be a solution, but I admit that for now I don't see how to achieve this. There still some work before releasing FGCom into next branch like: - Implement the isInRange() designed to detect if the freq still in range or not and hangup/re-call in case - Move the content of update() into helper in order to avoid copy/paste - Clean code (mostly done) This require only some hours of work, unfortunately I will be away from keyboard for the next week and freeze period comes at the end of the week... Frustrating isn't it ! :D Cheers, Clément -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear voice communication
Hi all, With help from Geoff and James I've successfully added FGCom feature to FlightGear. Therefore I'm facing to 2 limitations from IAXClient library. 1) Simultaneous calls IAXClient library has not be designed to handle simultaneous calls. So it's not possible to listen COM1 and COM2 at same time, or COM1 and NAV2... For NAV12 it's not dramatic because fgcom-server (Asterisk) is simply sending morse code, since FlightGear is already providing this feature we just need to admit taht FGCom feature is only used for COM but not NAV. For COM12 it's more problematic since we should be able to listen to COM12 at same time (at least for aircraft equipped by 2 COM stations) The question is: can we agree that FGCom is operating _only_ on COM1 ? If someone want to expand IAXClient library in order to manage simultaneous calls, please raise your hand ! 2) OpenAL context In order to avoid context conflict I've merged FGCom sound into global FG sound system. This mean that we can choose to redirect FGCom sound into our headphone and FG sound into our speaker. The question is: can we agree that FGCom sound is played on the same output than FG sound ? Again, if someone is ready to investigate OpenAL deeply, raise your hand. Let me know if these 2 limitations are not a sine qua non condition for FGCom integration into FG. IMO, I think that FGCom integration - even if it's limited to COM1 - is already a good step forward. I've also added record feature to FGCom (only for standalone binary) which make possible to record an ATIS message. That way, pilots can listen ATIS message from ATC like it's done in real life (at least in France, but I'm now aware that UK ATIS are TTS messages) If this feature is accepted, we need to disable ATIS messages generated by FG (only if FGCom is enabled) For information, on server side it works as follow : - If a record is present = play the record - Else = play a TTS (via Festival in Asterisk) containing current metar For those you want to test the current state, you need to compile FG from https://gitorious.org/~f-jjth/fg/f-jjths-flightgear/ = topics/fgcom branch Then run FG like : fgfs --enable-fgcom --airport=LFMV --com1=125.35 For now, my personal Asterisk server is used (clemaez.dyndns.org) and he is designed for testing only. I'm ready to manage an Asterisk server, also a new subdomain name could be welcome (e.g fgcom.flightgear.org). If someone is ready to provide a public server receiving Asterisk, so raise your hand. Any opinion/feedback are welcome. Cheers, Clément -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear voice communication
Hi, James wrote : Making the current fgcom code work as a thread inside fgfs isn't especially hard, I am happy to offer advice on it, and keeping this an #ifdef / CMake flag so it can be a standalone process is also pretty easy. My current topics/fgcom branch already include a CMake flag (-D ENABLE_FGCOM) at OFF by default. I think a simple --enable-fgcom will be efficient . I don't know how to make a cross platform process for now. Can you confirm me that you are ready to accept a similar solution as QProcess in Qt ? In this way FGCom will lives in a separate PID, the problem being : what happens to this separate PID if FG has a crash ? He will become a ghost and make the network port busy, right ? What about implementing an SGProcess ? Eric wrote : So if you are changing stuff to FGCOM /FG, maybe you can consider supporting 8.33kHz spacing? FG/FGCom are ready for 8.33KHz spacing. It require a little change on Asterisk side (118.305 = 118.300, 118.330 = 118.325, 118.355 = 118.350 118.380 = 118.375) but the main problem is that X-Plane data are not yet ready for 8.33KHz spacing. Here is some examples : ICAO :: apt.dat = possible frequency EDFA :: 12103 = 121.030 ? 121.035 ? EDCQ :: 12338 = 123.380 ? 123.385 ? EBAV :: 12343 = 123.430 ? 123.435 ? KSPI :: 13141 = 131.410 ? 131.415 ? That's why we need to wait the next APT format who support 8.33KHz spacing (i.e: add a new digit in the frequency field) Cheers, Clement -- Try New Relic Now We'll Send You this Cool Shirt New Relic is the only SaaS-based application performance monitoring service that delivers powerful full stack analytics. Optimize and monitor your browser, app, servers with just a few lines of code. Try New Relic and get this awesome Nerd Life shirt! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic_d2d_may___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear voice communication
Hi all, I've done some work on FGCom and I'm now able to have a realistic voice communication system which is less far than the reality. As a featuring : - Record ATIS message from FGCom into Asterisk - Playback an ATIS message into FlightGear via FGCom - Listen a _real_ morse code for VOR/DME into FlightGear via FGCom - Use 25KHz step frequencies (118.175, 124.225...) - Use COM1 NAV1 via FGCom If you want to test, you can use my clone ( https://gitorious.org/~f-jjth/fg/f-jjths-flightgear ) and checkout on topics/fgcom branch, then use the fgcom executable (newly) available in fgfs/bin/ ./fgcom -Sclemaez.dyndns.org -f_atis_frequency_ -a_icao_for_atis_frequency_ = in order to record a message (ATC mode) ./fgcom -Sclemaez.dyndns.org -p16661 = in order to use fgcom normally (FG mode) For a concrete example: ./fgcom -Sclemaez.dyndns.org -f120.825 -aLFMV = At the end of your message, quitting (Ctrl+c) save the record on the server (I've already recorded a message on this frequency, but you can override it) [You must start FlightGear near of LFMV (LFNH, LFMO... or even LFMV)] ./fgcom -Sclemaez.dyndns.org -p16661 In Radio panel (F12) switch to 120.825, now you can heard your ATIS message like it's done in real life After this (demonstrative) introduction I would look deeply into a voice communication architecture. My experiments with FGCom show me that we can easily have a realistic voice communication system. IMO FlightGear is a _simulator_, a simulator want to simulate the reality. In real life radio communication is the base of the airspace control. That's why I think that voice communication must be as important than FDM, graphism or whatever. Without voice communication we can't consider that we simulate the reality. So I've looked deeply what is existing, what we have, what others have... Looking at X-Plane, it seems that there is no integrated voice communication system. For FSX it's the same. Both leave this part to independant organizations like VATSIM/IVAO. So looking at IVAO he use external software like TeamSpeak and VATSIM use its own communication system included in [X]SqwakBox. Teamspeak being closed source we can forget it. IVAO is also closed source and X-Plane/FSX doesn't provide voice communication. In conclusion, we can't base our work on experience from other, we must do our own choice and the cross compatibility between system still not possible. Finally we are back to our good old IAX(fgcom)/Asterisk architecture and to be honest I think this choice is the better one because he is open source and license compliant making it accessible to every X-Plane/FSX/IVAO/VATSIM (they just need to create an external client like our FGCom)... Clearly we can't adapt our source code to match their _closed_ system but they can easily adapt their _closed_ source code for our _open_ system. They are greatly invited to switch to IAX/Asterisk system. But that's another thing where we don't care. Now that I talked about others and demonstrated their experience can't help us, I will talk about our dear FlightGear and available technical solution. For now we use an external software (FGCom) who is an IAX client receiving information from FlightGear (frequency, sqwak, ptt, position...) then transmit/receive voice to an Asterisk server. IMO it's not a bad choice and it works. Asterisk is really a perfect choice for this usage and I guess real ATC system use it for their ATIS/closed airspace message. But I heard that IAX protocol was not expected by some devs, so I looked at different protocols. Asterisk is a powerful software who support a lot of protocol like H.323, MGCP, SCCP, SIP and finally IAX. Two last are commonly knows and I admit that I know nothing about others. So it still SIP and IAX. SIP protocol seems to be more recent than IAX and more and more used. Main convenient : he use multiple port will IAX use only 1 port. But this is not the main aspect for a choice. The main aspect is the library, indeed, if there is no doc/C++ source/license compliant we can't use the protocol. Looking at SIP, I've only found 2 libraries compatible with our project : oSIP2 and eXoSIP2 (eXoSIP being an higher layer for oSIP... a kind of library of a library...) Looking at IAX, the only choice is IAXclient already used by FGCom. Finally we have the choice about protocols and libraries ! But a really little choice... oSIP2/eXoSIP2 for SIP protocol or IAXclient for IAX protocol. IMO, IAXclient library works fine since many years with FGCom, the only need is to update the library version in order to use the last one. IAXclient is licensed under LGPL who make him a perfect choice for SimGear integration, while oSIP2/eXoSIP2 is GPL. Now that we know all technical solution, it's the moment to write a plan. What do we want for the future of voice communication in FlightGear ? What is your opinion ? Here is mine : - Integrate an IAX library into SimGear (1) - Integrate
Re: [Flightgear-devel] DDS warning message
Following a discussion with Vivian on IRC, it seems it was decided to remove the DDS warning message some weeks? months? years? ago. Someone could handle it ? I admit that using DDS materials and DDS aircrafts results in a thousand of warning messages in my console and it's really not easy to debug my Nasal code ( print(); ) with all these messages. Also I'm not convinced that our users are interested by this warning message because they can't do anything to solve it. (Considering that decompressing a DDS file is not a basic user action) Hi all, I haven't received answer from people about this. This message is wrote by simgear/scene/model/ModelRegistry.cxx at line 263~265 Switch this message to another log level will be perfect. Cheers, Clément -- Try New Relic Now We'll Send You this Cool Shirt New Relic is the only SaaS-based application performance monitoring service that delivers powerful full stack analytics. Optimize and monitor your browser, app, servers with just a few lines of code. Try New Relic and get this awesome Nerd Life shirt! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic_d2d_apr___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Improve tranponder instrument
Hi all, I've improved the transponder instrument in order to have a generic transponder which work over network. For complet information about changes you can take a look at the forum topic : http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=75t=19826 For this I've create a merge request : https://gitorious.org/fg/flightgear/merge_requests/1570 Also I've modified the KT76A in order to match the new transponder system : http://clemaez.fr/flightgear/KT76A.tar.gz The only changes needed on FGDATA is the mode tag in instrumentation XML. Also feel you free to add the KT76A in Aircraft/Instrument-3d This is fully compatible with old FG version, properties (id-code and altitude) are simply ignored by old FG version. For aircraft designer who want to use this new transponder, you just need to use the KT76A or implement your own with these specifications : - /systems/electrical/outputs/transponder must be 8.0 - /instrumentation/transponder/inputs/knob-mode is a INT with 0=OFF, 1=SBY, 2=ON, 3=ALT, 4=TST - OFF = no power / no transmission - SBY = standby, instrument is powered (e.g light animation) / no transmission - ON = power ON / transmit id-code (sqwak) - ALT = powerON / transmit id-code + altitude with 100ft precision for mode AC and 10ft precision for mode S - TST = test, same as ALT (test mode can't be generic because transponder model require different implementation, feel you free to suggest a generic test mode) - /instrumentation/transponder/inputs/digit[0-3] are INT from 0 to 7 - /instrumentation/transponder/inputs/serviceable must be TRUE - /instrumentation/transponder/inputs/mode is a STRING = A, C or S defined by the instrumentation.xml file (look at the forum topic for example) I'm ready to maintain this work and improve it when suggestion come to me. Cheers, Clément -- Try New Relic Now We'll Send You this Cool Shirt New Relic is the only SaaS-based application performance monitoring service that delivers powerful full stack analytics. Optimize and monitor your browser, app, servers with just a few lines of code. Try New Relic and get this awesome Nerd Life shirt! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic_d2d_apr___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] DDS warning message
Hi all, Following a discussion with Vivian on IRC, it seems it was decided to remove the DDS warning message some weeks? months? years? ago. Someone could handle it ? I admit that using DDS materials and DDS aircrafts results in a thousand of warining messages in my console and it's really not easy to debug my Nasal code ( print(); ) with all these messages. Also I'm not convinced that our users are interested by this warning message because they can't do anything to solve it. (Considering that decompressing a DDS file is not a basic user action) Thanks you in advance, Cheers, Clément -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modellers - is a grain texture useful?
Hi Thorsten, I would follow the same opinion as Syd. I think Gimp/Inskape/Photoshop... are enough powerful to create correct texture. Of course it requires some time of work... But isn't it expected to spend some of our time in order to have a beautiful aircraft ? :) Thanks you for proposing ! Cheers, Clément -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Joystick dialog configuration fix
Hi, I'm using a Thrustmaster Hotas-x and I noticed that nasal section on top of the original file ( $FG_DATA/Input/Joysticks/Thrustmaster/T-Flight-Hotas-X.xml ) is not copied to the custom file written in $FG_HOME after modification from the Joystick Configuration dialog. This missing nasal section break the behaviour because 2 variables are not declared (in my case, I don't know for other .xml files). Looking at joystick.nas this is expected since nasal is not handled so I've fixed it. Here is the git diff who fix the issue : http://pastebin.com/XaanECUs Here is the list of all joystick hited by this issue : GoFlight/tq6-adv.xml:10: nasal Microsoft/sidewinder-force-feed2.xml:105:nasal Saitek/X36.xml:30: nasal Saitek/X52-pro.xml:132:nasal Saitek/Aviator.xml:14: nasal Saitek/Cyborg-Gold-3d-USB.xml:113:nasal Saitek/Pro-Flight-Quadrant.xml:13: nasal SpeedLink/ps2.xml:43: nasal ThrustMaster/T-Flight-Hotas-X.xml:69: nasal ThrustMaster/Warthog/Stick/stick_rotate.xml:10:nasal ThrustMaster/Warthog/Warthog-Stick.xml:16:nasal ThrustMaster/Warthog/Warthog-Throttle.xml:11:nasal ThrustMaster/Warthog/Throttle/seahawk.xml:5:nasal ThrustMaster/Warthog/Throttle/harrier.xml:6:nasal Cheers, Clément -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenRTI / HLA
Mathias, Thanks, I have moved the rti libs below the simgear ones. Does this help? Yes it works fine now ! Thanks you. But a new mistake appers now, FG is not able to found libRTI-NG.so.1 because the file is in install/openrti/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libRTI-NG.so.1 I've fixed the problem by moving all files outside of x86_64-linux-gnu/ directory and now it works. Is it possible for you to change the CMakeLists.txt in order to change the path like install/openrti/lib/libRTI-NG.so.1 ? We had a similar problem some weeks ago about libsvn/subversion : http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=946#c10 https://www.gitorious.org/fg/flightgear/commit/3b6436bfb8d5cfb180f7119fd01f365d1f79528e Thanks you, Clément -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenRTI / HLA
Hi, Mathias, some weeks ago I told you about a compilation problem for FG on Linux when RTI is enabled. You asked me to remind you of this problem later, this day is came :) For remembering : Clement wrote : I'm really interested by your work about OpenRTI / HLA. I've added the RTI support in the download_and_compile.sh brisa script's in order to make it more user-friendly to use and participate to the development. I compile SG and FG with -DENABLE_RTI=ON since some weeks but today FG compilation crashed with this option :/ Here is the compilation log : http://pastebin.com/HnPSfyzs OpenRTI and SG compilation are fine. I've deleted my OpenRTI/FG/SG build dir but the issue still here. Do you have a solution ? Remind me to look at that past the Christmas days please. Today I gave a new try but the compilation still fails : http://pastebin.com/grfbW2SG SG compilation works fine with ENABLE_RTI=ON but FG compilation fails with it. Can you take a look at it ? Let me know if you need more info, also I can make some change in source code if you tell me what to change. Cheers, Clément -- Symantec Endpoint Protection 12 positioned as A LEADER in The Forrester Wave(TM): Endpoint Security, Q1 2013 and remains a good choice in the endpoint security space. For insight on selecting the right partner to tackle endpoint security challenges, access the full report. http://p.sf.net/sfu/symantec-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Adds on FlightGear.org
Anders Gidenstam wrote : If it is not possible to be more restrictive on what ads to show (and even if that can be done I'm sure the guys paying for these sort of ads would do their best to by-pass any such restriction) then IMO the ads should go. Maybe the text ads could stay but the big blobs - no, thank you. I'm agreed with your opinion, ads should go in this case. Is the hosting really that expensive that we can't raise enough donations to cover it? (I have to admit I have not donated to FG, though.) I'm pretty sure that if some of us makes a donation, we could be able to cover hosting costs. Let us know how many, and we could try to organize a donations campaign. If it's necessary. Cheers, Clément -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8
I have had no contact with them either by phone or otherwise. http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com/t899p30-pour-une-meilleur-integration-des-travaux-de-la-paf-dans-flightgear#15971 In English the last line is let me know when you're ready and I call him http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com/t899p45-pour-une-meilleur-integration-des-travaux-de-la-paf-dans-flightgear#16025 In English the second line is I've just talked during a long time with Emmanuel (more than one hour !!!) leaves IRC very quickly when I arrive ??? hmmm someone can explain me ? Emilian ? James ? Christian ? Gijs ? Jean ? David ? Anders ? Have I left IRC because helijah was connected on IRC ? I never removed the header indicating the authors Some example : Original file created by PAF team : https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Dialogs/checklist/checklists-text.xml File currently on GIT repo : http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Dialogs/checklist/checklists-text.xml;h=a60d0954b08d8a7e71a802c191e71c96a15f55e6;hb=HEAD Original file created by PAF team : https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Models/Interior/Handle/handle.xml File currently on GIT repo : http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Models/Interior/Handle/handle.xml;h=d9aa7be75d5a201ab32e384d4ab7c7587150cabf;hb=HEAD Original file created by PAF team : https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Models/Interior/Panel/Parts/fuel-valve/fuel-valve.xml File currently on GIT repo : http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Models/Interior/Panel/Parts/fuel-valve/fuel-valve.xml;h=d162e7bef1bda983df51f7949afbc3e244b129cc;hb=HEAD Original file created by PAF team : https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Nasal/dr400.nas File currently on GIT repo : http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Nasal/dr400.nas;h=c27fa190acac2ecbda8de3539a81fd57c0e30063;hb=HEAD Original file created by PAF team : https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Nasal/electrical.nas File currently on GIT repo : http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Nasal/electrical.nas;h=195a5ad1a6a31076ca8a0c66563a8b4687de6a30;hb=HEAD Should I continue ? In the 3 first examples this is missing : !-- # DR400-jsbSim by PAF team # April 2012 : Modified by PAF team # http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com ##-- In the 2 last examples the header copyright has been changed : the destinated project of my contribution is now DR400 and the forum URL of PAF team is removed from dr400.nas / replaced by my personal website URL ( ??? ) from electrical.nas Firstly my contribution was originaly written for the DR400-jsbSim project (Imagine that profightsim change the header of the file from This file is part of FlightGear by This file is part of proflightsim... here is exactly the same) Secondly I don't understand why my personal website URL is in these files ! My personal life has nothing to do with these file. I use my website for personal and professional use and I've never wanted to see this URL in these files. Currently the GIT repo is not GPL compliant at all... Now I leave you conclude and make what is necessary in order to stop all of these. Cheers, Clément -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] fgdata Commit c8a69dffd49a298e01c0e0e1320f4a1d49a0bca4
Hi Yves, Maybe the PAF team has to take into account that Helijah spent half of his life contributing to flightgear models and this needs some personal respect and not only respecting gpl terms. [...] but to be honest, it has not the same history like the contribution of Emanuel Does it mean that in your opinion PAF team has no personal respect for helijah ? Does it mean that helijah can legitimately insult and denigrate other contributors/contributions ? PAF team has never insulted helijah (unlike him) and has asked the authorization to use his work : Before forking the DR400 one of PAF team member took a phone communication with helijah during more than 1 hour in order to explain him ( http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com/t899p45-pour-une-meilleur-integration-des-travaux-de-la-paf-dans-flightgear#16025 ) Isn't it an acceptable proof of respect ? Fork process is well know in Open Source world, for example OpenOffice is forked in LibreOffice, here PAF team does the same, forking the DR400 in DR400-jsbsim. LibreOffice hasn't personal respect for OpenOffice because of fork ? I don't think, for DR400-jsbsim it's exactly the same. Now imagine that OpenOffice uses the modified/created source code of LibreOffice but removes every copyright header who noticed that LibreOffice has modifified/created files, it should be incredible isn't it ? It's exactly what does helijah. This is a fact not a judgement. But to be honest the DR400 is not the important here, and I'm sure that everybody here know what is important, your reply explains it well. Anyway, I'm totally agree with the rest of your message. Thanks you having spent some of your time replying to this discussion. Cheers, Clément -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] OpenRTI / HLA
Hi all, Hi Mathias, 1 ) I'm really interested by your work about OpenRTI / HLA. I've added the RTI support in the download_and_compile.sh brisa script's in order to make it more user-friendly to use and participate to the development. I compile SG and FG with -DENABLE_RTI=ON since some weeks but today FG compilation crashed with this option :/ Here is the compilation log : http://pastebin.com/HnPSfyzs OpenRTI and SG compilation are fine. I've deleted my OpenRTI/FG/SG build dir but the issue still here. Do you have a solution ? 2) I'd be really happy to use/test HLA unfortunately I haven't found recent documentation about it. I know about the wiki page http://wiki.flightgear.org/FlightGear_HLA_support_(High_Level_Architecture) but this page is not up to date. Looking at your source code it seems that --hla=bi,hz,federateType,federationName,profile is no longer the correct way to activate HLA, but more --hla --federation= Are you able to tell me/us the current state of your work : Is it currently working ? can we test ? how can we test ? what are the possible argument ? what is your dev plan (current step, next step) ? Have we need to be connected to an HLA server ? Can you explain a litttle bit how it works at architecture level ? (Is it a centralized server routing every packet between user ? similar to FGMS network ?) 3) I've worked on a project called FGAIS who is certainly related to your recent fgai tools. FGAIS is a modified FGMS server who inject live traffic (in real time from real life) into client session. In this way clients can see aircrafts in the FG sky like he could see them by his windows. For this I've contacted planefinder.net and they agreed to provide their data (only ADS-B). The source code is also ready to implement ship AI. Currently FGAIS work nice only for 1 client (if a second client come on the server I have a SegFault... I don't know why :/ ) You can find the source code here : https://gitorious.org/~f-jjth/fgms/f-jjths-fgms-0-x This modified FGMS server (called FGAIS project) needs SG. You just need to compile it and connect to him with FG client in an active area (LFPO, EDDF, KSFO...) and you will see a dozens of aircraft in your MP list : it's live traffic You are free to use any a part of this project if you are interested in it. Some links below : Source code : https://gitorious.org/~f-jjth/fgms/f-jjths-fgms-0-x Wiki page : http://wiki.flightgear.org/FGAIS Forum thread : http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23t=17803 Provider : http://planefinder.net/ Since FG is now in a frozen state / debug period the 3) is not important for now but I'm interested to know your opinion about this project. Talking with Hooray on the forum I'm aware that RTI/HLA should be much better for this use. Thanks in advance Cheers, Clément -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] fgdata Commit c8a69dffd49a298e01c0e0e1320f4a1d49a0bca4
[..] Not only do they believe to be the authors of this aircraft but they also break existing things for the pleasure of breaking. It's sad to see this kind of commit description in a public place of the FlightGear project. For information, the commit is about the improvement made by PAF team on the DR400. (Of course nobody from PAF team asked him to push their work in the repo. It's his own choice to download the work done by PAF team and use it for it's own DR400) As the GNU GPL licence says : it's highly recommended to add a copyright header for each file created/modified. It's exactly what PAF team done adding Modified by PAF team (in case of file modification) or Created by PAF team (in case of file creation) as copyright header. Unfortunately helijah has removed all these copyright header before pushing the work made by PAF team on the repo. I can't imagine what would be the reaction of Curt if a commiter remove the header copyright of the file flightgear/src/Main/main.cxx . The fault made by helijah is the same here : he removed the copyright header (recommended by GNU GPL licence) of files for the second time (the first one was : https://gitorious.org/fg/fgdata/commit/7bc193ad0af206f166f2ab768880cec07891faa6 ) I will skip all the insults publicly written by helijah for just focusing your attention about the past and current licence / copyright violation brought by this contributor (red bull livery (z-lin50), sound file(reported by Pierre), texture file (JAS39-gripen). I think that a real solution has to be discussed here in order to avoid any new problem with this contributor. Cheers, Clément -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] FlightGear branch,
Hi all, I'm the author of the bug report #858. Big thanks to ThrostenB to solved it. About 3D models loading, the change has been explained by Mathias here : http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg36498.html After this changes I have reported a problem here : http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg36507.html Jon Stockill has confirmed the same behavior for him. The end of the conversation (last message by me) still waiting a response/fix. I'm absolutely not here to say the bug is not yet solved !, absolutely not. I'm just here to help you to remember/avoid to search the corresponding conversation about this bug. Cheers, Clément -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compute ground elevation dynamically for STG format
Hi, I changed my technical solution in order to use the technical solution proposed by Mathias. I hope this git diff is more adapted : http://pastebin.com/30GD4ksE As you can see the parser is ready, I have tested with modified STG file and it works. Now I just need to implement the ground elevation calculator. I have just a doubt about the variable elev I'm not sure that's is a good idea to send it as parameter since send change it in the function. Let me know what is wrong, how to improve this little change code. About the ground elevation calculator I think you are more able to create it because you know how to do. Personally I don't see how to adapt you fgelev because he is create for standalone program. In this way I think it's not really possible to adapt it for runtime program. Let me know if you accept to create this calculator. Thanks in advance, Cheers, Clément -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compute ground elevation dynamically for STG format
Yes of course your solution is more easier ;) As said I'm not a great programmer but at least I try to do something. I'm not a simple asker who say Please do it for me I try to involve myself with my little and insufficient skills but at least I do something. I saw that you commited the feature ! With a lot of other changes (the style is completely changed) I have tested with 15 OBJECT_STATIC_AGL and I don't noticed difference of loading time. As soon as possible I hope to have the possibility to make test with a lot of object/large scenery in order to have a concrete evaluation of the possible impact. And I will report this test here. Thanks you for your help, Cheers, Clément -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FW: Compute ground elevation dynamically for STG format
I have done some test. Here is the result : Nb of objectWithout _AGLWith _AGL 0 20.4s 20.4s 500 21.4s 21.4s 5 000 21.6s 23.4s 15 000 24.0s 29.9s 30 000 27.2s 39.1s 100 000 52.1s 95.6s For information, TerraSync has 1 100 000 thus when I try to load 15 000 object I tried to load 1% of the entire TerraSync database in at once. And with 100 000 it's 10% of the entire TerraSync database. Of course it's not realist since objects are placed everywhere in the world in this way 1 STG file can't contains 1% of the entire TerraSync database. For example if the whole LOWI region (less than 4000 objects) was transformed with _AGL the loading time will increase of less than 2 seconds. As LOWI is one of the most advanced scenery it's a good comparison. With these test I can conclude that the _AGL tag can increase the loading time (and it's normal) but it's insignificant because FG doesn't load more than 5000 objects at once since tiles are loaded step by step. Cheers, Clément -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compute ground elevation dynamically for STG format
Hi Mathias,
I understand that the fact to compute the elevation every time scenery is
loaded is not a way to improve loading time.
X-Plane give the possibility to compute the elevation of an object, FSX do the
same, and FlyLegacy do the same. Only FG require absolutely the elevation of
object.
If other simulator do that, why FG can't do that ? I haven't heard that FSX
scenery loading take 1 hour or X-Plane scenery loading take 1 hour, therefore
the feature is available. Thus I think we can test to implement the feature and
see if the loading time is really impacted. If other simulator have reasonable
time of loading with this feature, why FG can't have the same reasonable time
of loading with this feature ?
I keep in mind that the time of loading can be impacted, but I would like to
test the feature before to say No it's not possible because the loading time
will increase enormously!
About the boost library, I done this choice because I thought it was better for
computation. But as I said I'm only a little C++ programmer and if you say :
don't use boost for this feature is better. I trust you ;)
I'm totally open to other solutions. The important part in this feature is
really to leave FG compute the elevation of the object if the user don't give
the elevation data.
To be honest, the little git diff provided in my precedent mail take me 1 day
and 1 night (I'm definitely not a good C++ programmer). You say that you can
implement the complete feature in 1 or 2 hours. In this way it's maybe better
that I stop to code on my side and leave you implement this.
In this way you use the technique that you want/prefer.
After reading your mail, it seems that my choices and technical solution are
not appropriate at all.
You introduce another solution : OBJECT_SHARED_AGL
Models/Communications/radio-medium.xml -121.287778 37.008056 2.30
180 0.0 0.0
As I said I'm open to every solution, if you think that it's better to use this
solution I'm ok. your solution give the same possibility than my solution
(indicate ground elevation + optional offset) But with your solution we can
skip these line in case of use of a viewer (as you speak about a future viewer)
with a simple condition like : IF ( viewer is used ) { skip OBJECT_SHARED_AGL
OBJECT_STATIC_AGL line }
With this feature I really want to be independent of the terrain elevation. A
lot of scenery exist everywhere on the web and use different terrain elevation.
This feature is a real solution to these problem of different terrain
elevation.
Also this feature give the possibility to use external tools for object
positioning. For example this tools :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dajvfna0CaM Moreover this feature give the
possibility to user to use objects distributed by TerraSync out of the terrain
distributed by TerraSync, and it works also in reverse, TerraSync can use
object that are not specially placed with TerraSync terrain. In this way
TerraSync is winner with this feature.
With all these elements and elements in my precedent mail I can affirm you that
this feature is really welcome. Also if other Flight Sim have implemented this
feature it's because it's useful.
Are you able to propose your technical solution and start to write some C++
lines ? or can we experiment my changes since I have already started to write
some C++ lines ?
Let me know what are you ready to do, your plan, your solution. Even if I'm not
the coder, I'm interested by your choices and solutions for this feature.
Cheers,
Clément
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[Flightgear-devel] Compute ground elevation dynamically for STG format
Hi all, My message is mostly destined to Mathias Froehlich since he seems to be mainly involved in this part of FG but of course every help is welcome. I would like add a new feature to the STG parser. Some months ago I had already added the possibility to give the pitch and roll (with the help of Anders). Now I want add the possibility to compute the ground elevation dynamically in order to add object in the scenery without elevation information. Currently the STG parser requires this kind of line : OBJECT_SHARED Models/Communications/radio-medium.xml -121.287778 37.008056 2500.00 180 0.0 0.0 Where 2500.00 is the elevation data of the object. A lot of objects are often simply at ground level. Thus I would like to give the possibility to interpret this kind of line : OBJECT_SHARED Models/Communications/radio-medium.xml -121.287778 37.008056 GND 180 0.0 0.0 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Communications/radio-medium.xml -121.287778 37.008056 GND-108.254 180 0.0 0.0 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Communications/radio-medium.xml -121.287778 37.008056 GND+56.3 180 0.0 0.0 As you can see the GND tag means that the object is simply at ground elevation. Also we can give an optional offset (positive or negative) for adjustment. Of course the current way of working need to continue to work ! I have already began to change the source code in order to make working together the old parser and maybe future parser. The GND tag give a big advantage, imagine if you can place object in FG just by giving lat/lon and FG computes himself the elevation of object. In this way we can place object without FG. We can place object with an automatic script or using just a map available on the web. Also, with this new feature, we can use the same object line with different elevation terrain, everybody know that a lot of custom scenery exist everywhere on the web and often the ground elevation is not the same in these custom scenery and in TerraSync terrain. This feature solves the problem. Since I am a partisan of the do it yourself mostly recommended in Open Source project I have already modified SG source code. Here is my git diff : http://pastebin.com/vT2xE6ii I plan to organize the change in 2 part : first part is detect the GND tag and optional offset, second part is compute the ground elevation with the lon/lat and optional offset The first part is pretty advanced, the second part is mainly already create by Mathias with the new fgelev tool. I hope that fgelev can be adapted for a runtime execution. With my changes, SG compilation works fine, but even if I haven't touched FG files (I have only touched ReaderWriterSTG.cxx) FG doesn't compile :/ I'm a little bit surprised that SG compilation is a success but FG compilation fails since I haven't touched FG source code. I need some help to solve this FG compilation fail because I'm not a great programmer, I have only C++ base skills. In the SimGear changes I use boost::regex (I think it's better to use boost library isn't it ?) so I have included the library with #include boost/regex.hpp in this way SG compilation works fine. But now FG compilation fails because boost::regex_basic and a lot of other boost library are missing. And I don't understand why since only SG use boost::regex library. The failed compilation log of FG is here : http://pastebin.com/zU4csueP I have done a lot of investigation and research on the web, I have consulted a lot of tutorial, example, documentation (cmake, boost), C++ forum (stackoverflow, developpez) without solve this problem. I think it's a cmake problem, maybe I need add something in CMakeLists.txt but since I'm far to be a cmake guru I can't find the solution. Please can you help me to solve this problem ? After that I can continue my implementation ;) Hoping that you can found interest in this new feature, Thanks in advance, Cheers, Clément -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] New land cover Shapefile download feature
Hi Martin, Since you change the download system it's impossible to download complete OSM layer. Now only coastline.shp are provided in the .zip file and we are forced to download every layer (osm_river, osm_rail, osm_trunk, osm_primary...) individually and manually. Hoping you can fix it in order to have the same behaviour as before your change. Thanks in advance, Cheers, Clément -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pitch and Roll interpretation in STG files
Hi all, After an IRC session with Anders Gidenstam (a big thanks to him) I'm able to give you a new git diff. This new git diff fix the possible bugs about *nix/Windows end of line (\n or \r\n) and give a full compatibility between old and new STG parser. The git diff is available here : http://pastebin.com/Z2qDPJ3P The next step is to give the possibility to UFO export pitch and roll value in console when key d is pressed. Who is able to do it ? Just an example of what does the patch? : http://clemaez.fr/flightgear/Screenshot/fgfs-screen-018.png Left fence is without the patch, right fence is with the patch. Another example here with straw bale : http://clemaez.fr/flightgear/Screenshot/fgfs-screen-020.png Cheers, Clément -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Pitch and Roll interpretation in STG files
Hi all,
I know a lot of people who are interested by the interpretation of pitch and
roll in STG files.
Currently pitch and roll doesn't exist in STG file. A good proverb say do it
yourself, thus I implemented the pitch and roll interpretation in STG files.
The git diff is :
diff --git a/simgear/scene/tgdb/ReaderWriterSTG.cxx
b/simgear/scene/tgdb/ReaderWriterSTG.cxx
index 21a47ba..5b8945a 100644
--- a/simgear/scene/tgdb/ReaderWriterSTG.cxx
+++ b/simgear/scene/tgdb/ReaderWriterSTG.cxx
@@ -281,6 +281,18 @@ ReaderWriterSTG::readStgFile(const std::string
absoluteFileName,
matrix = makeZUpFrame(SGGeod::fromDegM(lon, lat, elev));
matrix.preMultRotate(osg::Quat(SGMiscd::deg2rad(hdg),
osg::Vec3(0, 0, 1)));
+
+
+ if ( (in.peek() != '\n') ){
+ double pitch(0.0), roll(0.0);
+ in pitch roll;
+
+ matrix.preMultRotate(osg::Quat(SGMiscd::deg2rad(pitch),
+ osg::Vec3(1, 0, 0)));
+ matrix.preMultRotate(osg::Quat(SGMiscd::deg2rad(roll),
+ osg::Vec3(0, 1, 0)));
+ }
+
osg::MatrixTransform* matrixTransform;
matrixTransform = new osg::MatrixTransform(matrix);
As you can see, it's only 6 lines added. This code works for old and new
STG files.
Example of old STG files :
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Communications/radio-medium.xml -121.8425 37.11 964.15
180
Example of new STG files :
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Communications/radio-medium.xml -121.8425 37.11 964.15
180 45.0 25.0
Where pitch = 45.0 degrees and roll = 25 degree
Someone can add it in Simgear please ?
Cheers,
Clément
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pitch and Roll interpretation in STG files
Yes of course we can use XML file. But I've recently heard that XML are depreciated because XML file take a big resource in FG. With this new feature you can add an AC3D file with pitch and roll without XML. But if the model has already a XML file it is you can use roll-deg and pitch-deg Cheers, Clément -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer, Open RTI/ HAL and online future..
Hi, I'm also interested about RTI/HLA informations. Actually I 've compiled FGFS and SG with -D ENABLE_RTI=ON and I run FGFS with --hla=bi,10,FOM,ASN,mp-aircraft.xml If I use av-aircraft.xml in replacement of mp-aircraft.xml I have an FGFS crash with this error during splashscreen: Cannot get attribute data type for setting attribute HLAprivilegeToDeleteObject at index 0! Segmentation fault I don't know how check if my HLA is working or not working. I hope somone give us more informations about HLA. Cheers, Clément -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Now Rembrandt here...
The amount of shadow I see depends on the angle of the view axis with the sunlight direction - under some angles I see dark shadows, under some angles I see no shadows at all Hi Thorsten, I have the same bug when the skydome scattering shader is enable. Are you sure you have disable skydome scattering shader ? Cheers, Clément -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt aircraft and fgrun
Hi Fred, In order to disable the big grey blobs in the 3d preview of fgrun, just need to add /nopreview in XML file of the object. You can test it with the last version of Tecnam P92 for Rembrandt here : http://clemaez.fr/flightgear/Tecnam-P92-rembrandt.tar.gz For exemple : ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? PropertyList pathlight.ac/path nopreview/ /PropertyList Cheers, Clément -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt aircraft and fgrun
Do you have really forgot that one? because you are the author of this feature :P http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.flightgear.general/17849 You are a joker developers ;) Your implementation takes effect with animation and model. Thus you can use it like : animation object-nameailes/object-name nopreview/ /animation But since you are the author of this feature I think I don't need to explain you how to use your feature ;) Cheers, Clément -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] GPS and other items merge requests to commit.
Hi all, I would like to give my support to Olivier about the merge request : https://gitorious.org/fg/fgdata/merge_requests/139 This merge request contains the Garmin GPS196. I use it in real life with my aircraft and I'd take pleased to see it in fgdata. I invite anybody with commit's right to evaluate this merge request. Thanks you in advance, Clément -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] scenery loading cleanup
Hi Mathias, I know a lot of users who use this kind of organisation about scenery folder, and these users aren't scenery developpers. I think your change will breaks a lot of users configuration with the next release (2.8.0) I'm convinced that your change is a good improvement (if I understand correctly: your changes avoid to read useless folders) and I hope you will find a good compromise. Cheers, Clément -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] scenery loading cleanup
Hi, Also for the breginning of the development cycle, I started working on improoving fgviewer and cleanup scenery/model loading. I have now checked in a change that should fix some long standing problems with modelss that appear to have z-fighting. This change should not harm and works so far for all I have tested. But it slightly changes the way stg files paths are handled. So if this really introduces a problem, please tell me. Greetings Mathias Hi Mathias, I've encountered a problem about this change but I fixed it. Some explanation : I use 5 sceneries folders and some of them add some data to the precedent scenery folder. I use this argument : --fg-scenery=/home/clement/Scenery_test:/home/clement/fgdata_paf/Scenery:/home/clement/Scenery_elmaxo:/home/clement/Scenery_papillon81/Scenery:/home/clement/Scenery_italy:/home/clement/Scenery In order to fly at LFHU (France) I use these data: ~/fgdata_paf/Scenery/Object/e000n40/e006n45/3056064.stg ~/Scenery_elmaxo/Terrain/e000n40/e006n45/3056064.stg ~/Scenery_elmaxo/Terrain/e000n40/e006n45/3056064.btg.gz ~/Scenery_elmaxo/Terrain/e000n40/e006n45/LFHU.btg.gz Since you have changed I need to move associated Terrain in the same Scenery folder of Object folder. So I copied/pasted Terrain data in the same Scenery folder contains Objects and now I use these data: ~/fgdata_paf/Scenery/Object/e000n40/e006n45/3056064.stg ~/fgdata_paf/Scenery/Terrain/e000n40/e006n45/3056064.stg ~/fgdata_paf/Scenery/Terrain/e000n40/e006n45/3056064.btg.gz ~/fgdata_paf/Scenery/Terrain/e000n40/e006n45/LFHU.btg.gz Without this little tweaks the tile can't be loaded. In conclusion, with your change we need to associate Object AND Terrain folder. It's just a feedback of my experience, don't take it as a critics ;) Cheers, Clément -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fair practice autorisations
Hi, This team should others as they wish to be treated An huge difference exist here : you haven't received insult. Helijah insult PAF members ! PAF team and you are not in bad relation (AFAIK) : this difference is important. All people need to know that 60% (or more... it's approximate) of aircraft available for flightgear are created by helijah. More than 80% of them are totaly crappy ! They aren't a good point for FlightGear project ! Imagines a man who don't know FlightGear project : he test 1, 2 ,3 aircrafts by helijah then he says pfff all these aircraft are unusable. I leave FlightGear and I go buy MSFS ! I'm really convinced the work made by helijah is bad for FlightGear project. Aircrafts created by helijah aren't realist. It will be good if FlightGear community take conscious of this ! A real example : I have invited a friend to download and test FG, after some days he says me : pfff your simulator is very bad ! A lot of aircraft haven't real instruments and are totally uncompleted ! I have asked him what aircrafts have he tested : CL415, Gee Bee, Katana, c172p, Piper Cub Helijah needs to stop to create 1 aircraft per week and needs to improve the aircrafts already available ! It's not a good point to say FlightGear is the only simulator with more than 400 airacrafts ! but in these 400 aircrafts a lot of aircrafts are uncompleted and these uncomplete aircrafts are mainly created by helijah. The work made by helijah isn't a good ads for FlightGear project, I'm convinced ! About the list of my friend, only Helijah's aircrafts was concerned by the critics. As I found, FlightGear isn't ready to see the reality about Helijah... I continue to believe that Helijah doesn't create aircraft : he creates 3D model, not an aircraft. The difference is huge... An aircraft has need electric system, fuel system, operating procedures, radio... Helijah's aircraft haven't that, so I call this a 3D model, not an aircraft. FlightGear is an aircraft simulator... not an exposition software of 3D model... But now I keep this opinion for me since nobody can heard/understand this opinion My opinion is also join by David : There's work enough for the next coming 10 years! Each, new I-don't-plann-to-finish-aircraft just make the whole FGFS project less competitive to other simulators. Now I'm real impressive about this discussion. Why ? because many many answers appear about this discussion. And what ? It's very simple : I have create a discussion here : http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28709446 and I haven't received answer from devel list... Other example : http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28360748 and no answer from devel list When I write mails to contribute to FlightGear : No answer from devel-list. Just a little answer like Ok Clément I see your mail but actually we are too busy would be sufficient. (This is not a criticism, just an observation) But when I write a mail about fair practice : Many answer. Now I continue to improve some parts... Rembrandt project, sceneries... And I turn the page about this discussion ;) Cheers, Clément -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fair practice autorisations
Hi, In my precedent mail I have forgot to say that Ernest Teutcher, Alexis Laille, Christian Thiriot and Clément de l'Hamaide (it's me) are the members of the PAF team. We can consider the current DC-3 is here because the PAF team had created 80% of the DC-3. And E.Baranger had created 20% of DC-3. In this way we can say : there are not one author but there are many authors. Since there are many authors it's a fair practice to ask to other authors an autorisation. Honestly, E.Baranger is just the author of some parts 3D models and some parts of XML file but his works represente only 20% of the DC-3 and we can consider that E.Baranger is a small contributor of the DC-3, and he isn't the main author, he is author of some parts that's all. For history, E.Baranger was a member of PAF team but he have been banned because he insulted some member of the PAF team and he refused to send our JSBSim FDM on GIT. Finally he was the only contributor of PAF team having commit rights and he makes an abu of his rights. In this way he censured our work by refusing to accept our JSBSim FDM. Now I focused an other faults of E.Baranger : he censures the work from other authors. Censure is it a good quality to become a committer ? It's surprising ! Thanks you for your attention. I know the current time all developper works on the next release. Maybe it's not the best moment to speak about this. If you prefer to continue this discussion after the release I can absolutely understand this. @Syd : thanks you for you intervention I understand your message. Since my work is under GPL I'm not complaining. Just I would like to focus on the fair practice which need to apply from committers before commit the work of other authors. (Mostly if the committer isn't in good way with these other authors) Cheers, Clément -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fair practice autorisations
Hi all, You are right, we are here to improve FG. In our next release we will include a file with the list off all our last improvment. After this release I stop to improve the DC-3 C47 To close this discussion : DC-3 C47 released by helijah : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNp6ub7hQak DC-3 C47 released by PAF team : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RKb1pXDXPs Thanks you very much at all for your attention and your point of view Cheers, Clément -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Fair practice autorisations
Hi all, The PAF team just seeing our integral contributions have been uploaded on GIT by E.Baranger aka helijah. (Commit : https://gitorious.org/fg/fgdata/commit/4fb29b9010ae69e01b46a7ea074259b04b12064e ) This member haven't asked any autorisation before upload our contributions. Yet it is customary to ask autorisation from authors of contributions before modify/diffuse the work created by them. Moreover, the uploaded version on GIT by E.Baranger isn't the stable version by PAF team. The only one stable version from PAF team is available in the Hangar of the PAF team : http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com/t835-hangar-de-la-paf We haven't any control about our contributions available on GIT and we can't be responsible if there are malfunctions. You can consider that the contributions committed by E.Baranger aren't the official and stable version of the contributions developped by the PAF team. Also, it seems that helijah makes many faults about licence respect and fair practice in recent months. We remember many problems of licence non-respected by helijah (i.e http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28676706 ). Today this member have yet makes a fault of fair practice (without asking autorisation from contribution authors). Seeing these multiple faults it would be more careful to remove the commit rights to E.Baranger. Cheers, Clément -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Fair practice autorisations
Hi Martin, The original author of the model is Emmanuel Baranger The original author of basic XML animation for model is Emmanuel Baranger The original author of instruments panel is Alexis Laille The original author of the Dual Control (copilot passenger) adapted for DC-3 is Clément de l'Hamaide The original author of nasal hydraulic system is Clément de l'Hamaide The original author of hydraulic system model is Ernest Teutcher The original author of tutorials is Alexis Laille The original author of engine system is Clément de l'Hamaide The original author of overhead model is Clément de l'Hamaide The original author of wipers is Ernest Teutcher The original author of nasal electric system adapted fo DC-3 is Clément de l'Hamaide The original author of decoration model is Emmanuel Baranger The original author of sound system is Christian Thiriot The original author of new panel is Alexis Laille The original author of new chair in cabine is Christian Thiriot The original author of liveries in cabine and cockpit is Christian Thiriot The original author of GUI dialog is Clément de l'Hamaide The original author of lights and light system adapted for DC-3 is Clément de l'Hamaide The original author of paratroopers adapted for DC-3 is Emmanuel Baranger (but need my intervention for it works) ... ... ... The list can be very long :) But here it's not the problem of who is the author model. The problem is = the minimum politeness is to ask to the PAF team if we accept to see our contributions committed. I know the GPL give the possibility to commit without asking anything but here we speak about fair practice. When you decide to download a package from a website and upload it on your website and GIT the minimum politeness is to ask to the author of the improvement if he's agreed with this isn't it ? Thanks you for your attention Cheers, Clément de l'Hamaide (F-JJTH) -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
