Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Steve Rickaby]

I've just had an interesting discussion with Adobe European Support on the 
issue  of cross-grading from FrameMaker on Mac to FrameMaker on PC.

It seems to come down to this:

. Produce an invoice for the original purchase of FrameMaker (in my case, from 
Frame Corp in 1991)

. Sign a 'letter of destruction' from Adobe vowing that you will never again 
use FrameMaker on the Mac

. Pay the upgrade fee

and you then get FrameMaker for PC at the upgrade price. Adobe call this a 
'cross-system procedure'.

However, I need to be able to retain the use of FrameMaker on Mac, where my 
installations go back to FrameMaker Version 3, much as an upgrade from, say, 
Version 6 to Version 7 will allow you to use both versions. I am happy to put 
up with the network spoiler, as I will never use more than one version or copy 
of FrameMaker at the same time.

If I understand things correctly, the only way I can do this is to buy a new 
full copy of FrameMaker for PC. Adobe can forget that.

Anyone else been through this hoop? Is it different in the States?

-- 
Steve
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good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Beth Prince]

Hi, all,
I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used 
SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and 
it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??

Beth
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RE: Question regarding converting documents to Structured FrameMaker

[Dave Shevitz]

Lynne,

Aha! As it turned out, there was a blank paragraph tag between my Title
element and my Itemizedlist element. Once I found that, I modified my
conversion table and all was well.

Thanks--I don't know if I would've thought of that!

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From: Lynne A. Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:56 AM
To: Dave Shevitz; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Question regarding converting documents to Structured
FrameMaker

At 08:59 AM 9/12/2006, Dave Shevitz wrote:
What I would like is to ensure that the converted document is always
wrapped in a chapter tag. Currently, a chapter can contain a
title
element, a single itemizedlist element, and one or more sect1
elements. I've tried to create my conversion table statement to read:

title, itemizedlist[ChapterBullet], sect1*

But the chapter element does not appear. When I try:

itemizedlist[ChapterBullet], sect1*

The chapter element appears, but obviously the title is outside the
element. It appears, then, that the problem is with the title
element.
(Oddly enough, I can wrap the title element by itself inside a
chapter element. The problem only seems to be when I'm combining the
title with the itemizedlist.)


Dave,
   Are you successful in creating a title element? And is there anything

between the title and the itemizedlist?
 --Lynne



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Nasty X-Refs

[Whites]

I just spend best part of an afternoon searching for a broken X-ref  
that, IMHO, should never have existed. I'm updating a document that  
has been through many hands (of various degrees of incompetence). As  
always when I inherit a doc, I start a new Book file from scratch and  
add chapters to it bit but bit. This time, however, there existed a  
statement in the Book file .mif  that referenced an earlier  
incarnation of one of the files, using the old filename (one I had  
never linked to, etc) and a paragraph tag that I never used (but that  
the earlier users apparently had).
Anyone know of a utility that can diagnosis a Book to see if it  
contains X-refs to files not in the book and paragraph tags not in  
any of the files??


Any light shed will be appreciated.

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RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Charles Beck]

Visio? I can't remember, because it's been awhile since I used it, but I
seem to remember that it worked very well... 

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Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame

Hi, all,
I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used
SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and
it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
Beth
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RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Ridder, Fred]

It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy.
If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their products, 
it only entitles you to keep both versions installed for a transition 
period (90 days, as I recall). After that period you are supposed 
to uninstall the old version. For contractors who might need to 
have multiple versions available to them to work on client projects 
using the correct tool version, this technically mean s multiple 
full licenses for each version.  Not very user-friendly, but it's the 
way Adobe has structured their licenses for years.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:58 AM
To: framers@FrameUsers.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

I've just had an interesting discussion with Adobe European Support on
the issue  of cross-grading from FrameMaker on Mac to FrameMaker on PC.

It seems to come down to this:

. Produce an invoice for the original purchase of FrameMaker (in my
case, from Frame Corp in 1991)

. Sign a 'letter of destruction' from Adobe vowing that you will never
again use FrameMaker on the Mac

. Pay the upgrade fee

and you then get FrameMaker for PC at the upgrade price. Adobe call this
a 'cross-system procedure'.

However, I need to be able to retain the use of FrameMaker on Mac, where
my installations go back to FrameMaker Version 3, much as an upgrade
from, say, Version 6 to Version 7 will allow you to use both versions. I
am happy to put up with the network spoiler, as I will never use more
than one version or copy of FrameMaker at the same time.

If I understand things correctly, the only way I can do this is to buy a
new full copy of FrameMaker for PC. Adobe can forget that.

Anyone else been through this hoop? Is it different in the States?

-- 
Steve
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Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Bill Briggs]

FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly drawn and 
pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people on the list have 
tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they will comment. If you're 
interested I'll try to find them. I've not used them in quite some time.

 - web

At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote:
Hi, all,
I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but 
when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize 
well. Anyone have any suggestions??
Beth
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RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Niels Fanøe]

Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me.

-Niels 

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- 
- Hi, all,
- I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I 
- used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's 
- not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any 
- suggestions??
- Beth
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RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:45 -0400 14/9/06, Ridder, Fred wrote:

It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy.
If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their products,
it only entitles you to keep both versions installed for a transition
period (90 days, as I recall). After that period you are supposed
to uninstall the old version.

Hmm. I was unaware of that. It wouldn't matter a jot, of course, for something 
like Illustrator or InDesign, where there would be no incentive to continue 
using the old version anyway. However, we still have authors here working in 
old versions of FrameMaker, and it's a help to be able to keep their source 
files at the required version. (I know you can MIF backward through versions, 
but it's a hassle.)

For contractors who might need to have multiple versions available to them to 
work on client projects using the correct tool version, this technically mean 
s multiple full licenses for each version.  Not very user-friendly, but it's 
the way Adobe has structured their licenses for years.

As you say, not user friendly.

-- 
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Re: 2 blank pages

[Steve Rickaby]

At 17:26 +0300 14/9/06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility under 
Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?

Special - Delete Pages?

Also, are they really blank? Is there actually something there that you aren't 
currently displaying, such as empty paragraphs or anchored frames. (The latter 
unlikely in an index, I grant, but not impossible.)

-- 
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Re: 2 blank pages

[John Posada]

Have you made sure that they don't have a Custom master page applied
to them? Applying a Custom master page tends to override a number of
pagination functions. If it is custom, change to Left/Right, then try
saving the file again and see if the extra pages go away. 

--- Shmuel Wolfson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I 
 tried every possibility under Pagination, Delete 
 Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is.
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Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[d . mossfritch]

Good Morning Beth,

I too use SmartDraw, particularly for flowcharts that include images. I had a 
problem with the shartness of images until I tried saving the SmartDraw graphic 
as a .png file and using that in FrameMaker. The resulting graphic, whether 
print or Acrobat, is great.

Best,

 Denise

Denise L. Moss-Fritch
Lead Technical Writer
Varian Medical Systems
Palo Alto, CA

-- Original message -- 
 
 Beth Prince wrote: 
  Hi, all, 
  I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used 
  SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and 
  it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? 
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Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Art Campbell]

Second that.

On 9/14/06, Niels Fanøe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me.

-Niels


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Re: 2 blank pages

[Bill Briggs]

At 5:26 PM +0300 9/14/06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility under 
Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?

 One possibility is that upon generation of the book the penultimate index page 
has a lone trailing empty paragraph on it (the end of flow marker would be 
visible) and that page makes the page count odd for the file. If your setup is 
to make page count even for that file, then Frame would add an additional page 
to the index to satisfy that criterion.

 But whatever it is, it's definitely fixable. :-)

- web
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RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Gillian Flato]

Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need
to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money
for that.

Just something to keep in mind.

I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that
specific reason.


Thank you,

Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
Nanometrics, Inc.


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Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:53 AM
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Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame

FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly
drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people
on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they
will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used
them in quite some time.

 - web

At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote:
Hi, all,
I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used
SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and
it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
Beth
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Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Gillian:

Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines -  
to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing 
tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM.


Regards,

Peter Gold
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Gillian Flato wrote:

Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need
to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money
for that.

Just something to keep in mind.

I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that
specific reason.

  

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Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Gillian:

Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines -  
to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing 
tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM.


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Gillian Flato wrote:

Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need
to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money
for that.

Just something to keep in mind.

I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that
specific reason.

  

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RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Gillian Flato]

What do you mean by apply callouts? I just type them in and then group
them together with the graphic.  



Gillian Flato



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From: Peter Gold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:10 AM
To: Gillian Flato
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame

Hi, Gillian:

Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines -  
to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing 
tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM.

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Gillian Flato wrote:
 Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
 your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will
need
 to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
 chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
 Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
 chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra
money
 for that.

 Just something to keep in mind.

 I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for
that
 specific reason.

   


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RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Dov Isaacs]

Steve  Fred,

That 90-day (or whatever) restriction on version-to-version
upgrades on the same computer went out a number of years ago.

However, when you are dealing with a platform-to-platform
sidegrade, you are dealing with software on distinctly
separate computers! The restriction is comparable to that
of the version-to-version upgrade not allowing you to
install or give away the old version for use on another
computer.

- Dov


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  On Behalf Of Ridder, Fred
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 Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
 
 It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy.
 If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their 
 products, it only entitles you to keep both versions 
 installed for a transition period (90 days, as I recall). 
 After that period you are supposed to uninstall the old 
 version. For contractors who might need to have multiple 
 versions available to them to work on client projects using 
 the correct tool version, this technically mean s multiple 
 full licenses for each version.  Not very user-friendly, but 
 it's the way Adobe has structured their licenses for years.
 
 My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
 Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ
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RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Dov Isaacs]

PNG is a raster format that does not scale well.
Visio is primarily vector. You want to preserve the
content as vector. Best best is to produce PDF from
Visio and import either the PDF or EPS (saved from
the PDF in Acrobat) into your FrameMaker document.

- Dov

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 Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me.
 
 -Niels 
 
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RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Bill Briggs]

And if they are done in FrameMaker using the primitives I made they get spell 
checked along with the rest of the document. That's worth something.

- web

At 9:00 AM -0700 9/14/06, Gillian Flato wrote:
Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need
to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money
for that.

Just something to keep in mind.

I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that
specific reason.


Thank you,

Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
Nanometrics, Inc.


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Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame

FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly
drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people
on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they
will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used
them in quite some time.

 - web

At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote:
Hi, all,
I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used
SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and
it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
Beth
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OT: Pubsnet out of office reply bounces

[Don Laux]

Is anyone else receiving a bunch of out of office reply and thanks for
your resume auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter?

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This has been going on for a few days now, and it is becoming very annoying.
I called and left a message, but no humanoid answers their phone, so who
knows whether it made a difference.

If anyone from Pubsnet receives this, perhaps you can wrangle you mail
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This does not promote a very good feeling about the services Pubsnet offers,
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RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Ridder, Fred]

Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more 
meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in
detail before we break the seal on the software distribution,
right?)  

I was pretty sure the restriction was still in the EULA as of
FrameMaker 6.0, but I guess that *was* a number of years 
ago by now.  Time sure is fun when you're having files. ;^)

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
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Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

Steve  Fred,

That 90-day (or whatever) restriction on version-to-version
upgrades on the same computer went out a number of years ago.

However, when you are dealing with a platform-to-platform
sidegrade, you are dealing with software on distinctly
separate computers! The restriction is comparable to that
of the version-to-version upgrade not allowing you to
install or give away the old version for use on another
computer.

- Dov


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 It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy.
 If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their 
 products, it only entitles you to keep both versions 
 installed for a transition period (90 days, as I recall). 
 After that period you are supposed to uninstall the old 
 version. For contractors who might need to have multiple 
 versions available to them to work on client projects using 
 the correct tool version, this technically mean s multiple 
 full licenses for each version.  Not very user-friendly, but 
 it's the way Adobe has structured their licenses for years.
 
 My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
 Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ
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Re: OT: Pubsnet out of office reply bounces

[Bill Briggs]

At 10:32 AM -0700 9/14/06, Don Laux wrote:
Is anyone else receiving a bunch of out of office reply and thanks for
your resume auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter?

 Yup. It was a trickle, now it's a stream. I'd like it stopped completely, 
before it becomes a flood.

 - web
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RE: Pubsnet out of office reply bounces

[Bureeda Bruner]

I am receiving them as well. I assume everyone on their subscriber list is
receiving them.

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Is anyone else receiving a bunch of out of office reply and thanks for
your resume auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter?

They are coming from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Pubsnet
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Seems like their mail server is re-distributing the auto-replies they
receive to their mailing list...

This has been going on for a few days now, and it is becoming very annoying.
I called and left a message, but no humanoid answers their phone, so who
knows whether it made a difference.

If anyone from Pubsnet receives this, perhaps you can wrangle you mail
server problems and stop the spamming.

This does not promote a very good feeling about the services Pubsnet offers,
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RE: Pubsnet out of office reply bounces

[Jennifer Randel]

web wrote: 
I'm manifestly NOT on their subscriber list and I'm getting them. Me
thinks they have harvested names from the framers list.
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I have never subscribed to a Pubsnet list either and I'm getting tons of
junk from them! 
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RE: Pubsnet out of office reply bounces

[John Posada]

I get no email from or about pubsnet, except now through the FM list.
Who's worse.

--- Jennifer Randel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 I'm manifestly NOT on their subscriber list and I'm getting them.
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 I have never subscribed to a Pubsnet list either and I'm getting
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I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is.
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Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Fred:

Ridder, Fred wrote:
Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more 
meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in

detail before we break the seal on the software distribution,
right?)  
  
PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the disk or in the 
box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!G


Regards,

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RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Dov Isaacs]

All Adobe's EULAs are posted for public inspection on its
website. See http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/.

- Dov
 

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 Hi, Fred:
 
 Ridder, Fred wrote:
  Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more 
  meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in
  detail before we break the seal on the software distribution,
  right?)  

 PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the 
 disk or in the 
 box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!G
 
 Regards,
 
 Peter Gold
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RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Ridder, Fred]

LOL, Peter...

The EULA is often printed on the outside of a sealed envelope
that contains the actual software distribution, and that's the seal
that is referred to in the EULA. If there's no sealed envelope, the 
seal on the jewel case or CD sleeve (the software distribution media) 
that is the one whose breakage signifies your acceptance of the 
terms and conditions of a so-called shrink wrap EULA rather 
than the actual shrink-wrap on the outside box. And besides,
many software publishers also post their EULAs on their website 
where people can do due diligence before purchasing.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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Hi, Fred:

Ridder, Fred wrote:
 Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more 
 meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in
 detail before we break the seal on the software distribution,
 right?)  
   
PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the disk or in the

box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!G

Regards,

Peter Gold
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Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts

[Steve Rickaby]

At 15:15 -0400 14/9/06, Rick Quatro wrote:

I just talked to someone at Pubsnet about the rogue posts and they are aware 
of the problem. Apparently, someone hacked their server and reeked havoc.

Yup, it surely reeks ;-)

(I've been getting them too.)

-- 
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Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts

[Peter Gold]

Because there are so many of these notes, I created an email filter to 
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RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Combs, Richard]

Dov Isaacs wrote: 
 
 PNG is a raster format that does not scale well.
 Visio is primarily vector. You want to preserve the content 
 as vector. Best best is to produce PDF from Visio and import 
 either the PDF or EPS (saved from the PDF in Acrobat) into 
 your FrameMaker document.

I'm using Visio Pro 2003 and Acrobat 7, and the Visio -- PDF process works 
great! There's an advantage to it that most people don't realize: Visio files 
can contain multiple drawing pages, and Convert to Adobe PDF will create a 
single multi-page PDF from such a file. 

In FM, when you import from that PDF, you choose the page. Instead of a dozen 
separate source files and a dozen separate output files, there's one of each. 
You can import all the drawings in no time because FM remembers the file name 
from the previous import, and you just pick a new page. Slick! 

Helpful hint: In Visio Page Setup, make both the drawing and print page size 
exactly the final size you want it in FM, so there's no need to scale (which 
can cause text problems).   

Richard


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Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro

[Gillian Flato]

Guys,
 
I am considering upgrading from WebWorks 7.0 to either WebWorks
ePublisher Pro or Robohelp X5. What experiences have you guys had with
both - going from Frame 7.0 to these, single-sourcing files, of course?
 
Which do you like better?
Does Robohelp have an edge since it's also an Adobe product?
 
What do you recommend? 
 
My final output is a .chm file. 
 

Thank you,

 

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Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

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RE: Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro

[John Sgammato]

I went to ePublisher and I am happy with it. 
I used it for our last release and all the online help (HTML Help) got
done on time with no bugs, so I have no complaints. There is a learning
curve, and I thought the initial release was not ready for primetime,
but the current version seems robust enough.
I have not used RoboHelp in years so I can offer no comparisons. 

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Guys,
 
I am considering upgrading from WebWorks 7.0 to either WebWorks
ePublisher Pro or Robohelp X5. What experiences have you guys had with
both - going from Frame 7.0 to these, single-sourcing files, of course?
 
Which do you like better?
Does Robohelp have an edge since it's also an Adobe product?
 
What do you recommend? 
 
My final output is a .chm file. 
 

Thank you,

 

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Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

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Manual requirement or creation form

[Fred Staal]

Rather than reinvent the wheel, I am seeking for samples of forms that
would be submitted to a technical publications department requesting the
creation of a technical manual; the form would have spaces for
information on subject, scope, SME, deadlines, etc. to be filled in by
the submitter. 
 
If you have a form that you feel has served you well, I'd appreciate a
sample copy.
 
Thanks, 
Fred
 
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Schilling Robotics, LLC
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good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Fred Staal]

We use Visio and import the charts into FM 6 as a linked objects. The
process seems stable, retains vector format, and avoids any conversion
issues.
 
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Document Management System needed for FM

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

Re the discussion of CVS, have a look at Subversion and TortoiseSVN as a 
GUI client.  Both on Sourceforge.

Also, Siberlogic Sibersafe is a *** content management system *** that 
works with FrameMaker content down to the level of paragraphs and also 
supports the DITA XML system.

Note: A document management system tends to deal with complete 
documents/files/PDFs or whatever, while a content management system deals 
with fragments of content at any suitable granularity.
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Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Steve Rickaby]

I've just had an interesting discussion with Adobe European Support on the 
issue  of cross-grading from FrameMaker on Mac to FrameMaker on PC.

It seems to come down to this:

. Produce an invoice for the original purchase of FrameMaker (in my case, from 
Frame Corp in 1991)

. Sign a 'letter of destruction' from Adobe vowing that you will never again 
use FrameMaker on the Mac

. Pay the upgrade fee

and you then get FrameMaker for PC at the upgrade price. Adobe call this a 
'cross-system procedure'.

However, I need to be able to retain the use of FrameMaker on Mac, where my 
installations go back to FrameMaker Version 3, much as an upgrade from, say, 
Version 6 to Version 7 will allow you to use both versions. I am happy to put 
up with the network spoiler, as I will never use more than one version or copy 
of FrameMaker at the same time.

If I understand things correctly, the only way I can do this is to buy a new 
full copy of FrameMaker for PC. Adobe can forget that.

Anyone else been through this hoop? Is it different in the States?

-- 
Steve

Nasty X-Refs

[Whites]

I just spend best part of an afternoon searching for a broken X-ref  
that, IMHO, should never have existed. I'm updating a document that  
has been through many hands (of various degrees of incompetence). As  
always when I inherit a doc, I start a new Book file from scratch and  
add chapters to it bit but bit. This time, however, there existed a  
statement in the Book file .mif  that referenced an earlier  
incarnation of one of the files, using the old filename (one I had  
never linked to, etc) and a paragraph tag that I never used (but that  
the earlier users apparently had).
Anyone know of a utility that can diagnosis a Book to see if it  
contains X-refs to files not in the book and paragraph tags not in  
any of the files??

Any light shed will be appreciated.

will white
+
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Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?
Do they?  - Sideshow Bob
+

good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Charles Beck]

Visio? I can't remember, because it's been awhile since I used it, but I
seem to remember that it worked very well... 

-Original Message-
Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame

Hi, all,
I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used
SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and
it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
Beth
___

Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Ridder, Fred]

It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy.
If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their products, 
it only entitles you to keep both versions installed for a transition 
period (90 days, as I recall). After that period you are supposed 
to uninstall the old version. For contractors who might need to 
have multiple versions available to them to work on client projects 
using the correct tool version, this technically mean s multiple 
full licenses for each version.  Not very user-friendly, but it's the 
way Adobe has structured their licenses for years.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:58 AM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

I've just had an interesting discussion with Adobe European Support on
the issue  of cross-grading from FrameMaker on Mac to FrameMaker on PC.

It seems to come down to this:

. Produce an invoice for the original purchase of FrameMaker (in my
case, from Frame Corp in 1991)

. Sign a 'letter of destruction' from Adobe vowing that you will never
again use FrameMaker on the Mac

. Pay the upgrade fee

and you then get FrameMaker for PC at the upgrade price. Adobe call this
a 'cross-system procedure'.

However, I need to be able to retain the use of FrameMaker on Mac, where
my installations go back to FrameMaker Version 3, much as an upgrade
from, say, Version 6 to Version 7 will allow you to use both versions. I
am happy to put up with the network spoiler, as I will never use more
than one version or copy of FrameMaker at the same time.

If I understand things correctly, the only way I can do this is to buy a
new full copy of FrameMaker for PC. Adobe can forget that.

Anyone else been through this hoop? Is it different in the States?

-- 
Steve
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[Bill Briggs]

FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly drawn and 
pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people on the list have 
tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they will comment. If you're 
interested I'll try to find them. I've not used them in quite some time.

 - web

At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote:
>Hi, all,
>I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but 
>when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize 
>well. Anyone have any suggestions??
>Beth
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good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Niels Fanøe]

Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me.

-Niels 

-> -Original Message-
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-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of Beth Prince
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-> Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame
-> 
-> Hi, all,
-> I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I 
-> used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's 
-> not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any 
-> suggestions??
-> Beth
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Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:45 -0400 14/9/06, Ridder, Fred wrote:

>It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy.
>If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their products,
>it only entitles you to keep both versions installed for a transition
>period (90 days, as I recall). After that period you are supposed
>to uninstall the old version.

Hmm. I was unaware of that. It wouldn't matter a jot, of course, for something 
like Illustrator or InDesign, where there would be no incentive to continue 
using the old version anyway. However, we still have authors here working in 
old versions of FrameMaker, and it's a help to be able to keep their source 
files at the required version. (I know you can MIF backward through versions, 
but it's a hassle.)

>For contractors who might need to have multiple versions available to them to 
>work on client projects using the correct tool version, this technically mean 
>s multiple full licenses for each version.  Not very user-friendly, but it's 
>the way Adobe has structured their licenses for years.

As you say, not user friendly.

-- 
Steve

good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Beth Prince wrote:
> Hi, all,
> I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used 
> SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and 
> it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??

I use Visio for this ... save it in a vector format and it will work
well in FrameMaker.

Z

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2 blank pages

[Shmuel Wolfson]

I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility 
under Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?

-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson

2 blank pages

[Steve Rickaby]

At 17:26 +0300 14/9/06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

>I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility under 
>Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?

Special -> Delete Pages?

Also, are they really blank? Is there actually something there that you aren't 
currently displaying, such as empty paragraphs or anchored frames. (The latter 
unlikely in an index, I grant, but not impossible.)

-- 
Steve

2 blank pages

[John Posada]

Have you made sure that they don't have a Custom master page applied
to them? Applying a Custom master page tends to override a number of
pagination functions. If it is custom, change to Left/Right, then try
saving the file again and see if the extra pages go away. 

--- Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:

> I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I 
> tried every possibility under Pagination, Delete 
> Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is."

2 blank pages

[Art Campbell]

Pagination is probably being controlled by the book file... so you
checked the settings for both the Index and the file that follow it?

If you're using Delete Pages to remove the two pages, when are they
reappearing? When you regenerate the Index, Update the book, or some
other time?

If you add a new Index to the book and update, does it also have extra pages?

Art

On 9/14/06, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:
> I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility
> under Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson


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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

good flowchart software to use with Frame

[d.mossfri...@comcast.net]

Good Morning Beth,

I too use SmartDraw, particularly for flowcharts that include images. I had a 
problem with the shartness of images until I tried saving the SmartDraw graphic 
as a .png file and using that in FrameMaker. The resulting graphic, whether 
print or Acrobat, is great.

Best,

 Denise

Denise L. Moss-Fritch
Lead Technical Writer
Varian Medical Systems
Palo Alto, CA

-- Original message -- 
> 
> Beth Prince wrote: 
> > Hi, all, 
> > I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used 
> > SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and 
> > it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? 

good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Art Campbell]

Second that.

On 9/14/06, Niels Fan?e  wrote:
> Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me.
>
> -Niels

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

2 blank pages

[Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)]

Another possibility I have encountered is disconnected text flows. The tell
tale sing is a lonely "End of flow" marker at the top of the last page (or
sometimes the next-to-last page.

Regards, 

Berny Gagn?
Lead Technical Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems
Bolton, Ontario, Canada 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+bgagne=husky...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:35 AM
To: Shmuel Wolfson
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: 2 blank pages

Pagination is probably being controlled by the book file... so you checked
the settings for both the Index and the file that follow it?

If you're using Delete Pages to remove the two pages, when are they
reappearing? When you regenerate the Index, Update the book, or some other
time?

If you add a new Index to the book and update, does it also have extra
pages?

Art

On 9/14/06, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:
> I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every 
> possibility under Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson


-- 
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358
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2 blank pages

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:18 -0400 14/9/06, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) wrote:

>The tell tale sing is a lonely "End of flow"...

How does that one go, then? ;-) Maybe to the tune of 'O sole mio'?

-- 
Steve

2 blank pages

[Bill Briggs]

At 5:26 PM +0300 9/14/06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility under 
>Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?

 One possibility is that upon generation of the book the penultimate index page 
has a lone trailing empty paragraph on it (the end of flow marker would be 
visible) and that page makes the page count odd for the file. If your setup is 
to make page count even for that file, then Frame would add an additional page 
to the index to satisfy that criterion.

 But whatever it is, it's definitely fixable. :-)

- web

good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Gillian Flato]

Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need
to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money
for that.

Just something to keep in mind.

I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that
specific reason.


Thank you,

Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
Nanometrics, Inc.


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Briggs
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:53 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame

FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly
drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people
on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they
will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used
them in quite some time.

 - web

At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote:
>Hi, all,
>I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used
SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and
it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
>Beth
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[Peter Gold]

Hi, Gillian:

Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines -  
to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing 
tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM.

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Gillian Flato wrote:
> Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
> your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need
> to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
> chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
> Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
> chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money
> for that.
>
> Just something to keep in mind.
>
> I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that
> specific reason.
>
>   

good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Gillian:

Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines -  
to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing 
tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM.

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Gillian Flato wrote:
> Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
> your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need
> to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
> chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
> Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
> chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money
> for that.
>
> Just something to keep in mind.
>
> I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that
> specific reason.
>
>   

good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Gillian Flato]

What do you mean by apply callouts? I just type them in and then group
them together with the graphic.  



Gillian Flato



-Original Message-
From: Peter Gold [mailto:pe...@knowhowpro.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:10 AM
To: Gillian Flato
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame

Hi, Gillian:

Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines -  
to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing 
tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM.

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Gillian Flato wrote:
> Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
> your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will
need
> to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
> chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
> Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
> chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra
money
> for that.
>
> Just something to keep in mind.
>
> I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for
that
> specific reason.
>
>   


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[Peter Gold]

Hi, Gillian:

Gillian Flato wrote:
> What do you mean by apply callouts? I just type them in and then group
> them together with the graphic.  
>
>   
That's what I mean! When you say "type them in" you must be typing into 
text frames  or text lines (the "A" tool) you've created in the drawing 
you've made in an anchored frame. You do the same thing with an imported 
graphic in an anchored frame. You can group these text frames or text 
lines with imported graphics.

HTH

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

> Gillian Flato
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Gold [mailto:peter at knowhowpro.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:10 AM
> To: Gillian Flato
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
>
> Hi, Gillian:
>
> Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines -  
> to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing 
> tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices
>
> Gillian Flato wrote:
>   
>> Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
>> your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will
>> 
> need
>   
>> to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
>> chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
>> Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
>> chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra
>> 
> money
>   
>> for that.
>>
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>
>> I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for
>> 
> that
>   
>> specific reason.
>>
>> 

Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Dov Isaacs]

Steve & Fred,

That 90-day (or whatever) restriction on version-to-version
upgrades on the same computer went out a number of years ago.

However, when you are dealing with a platform-to-platform
"sidegrade," you are dealing with software on distinctly
separate computers! The restriction is comparable to that
of the version-to-version upgrade not allowing you to
install or give away the old version for use on another
computer.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com]
>  On Behalf Of Ridder, Fred
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:46 AM
> To: Steve Rickaby; framers at frameusers.com
> Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
> 
> It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy.
> If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their 
> products, it only entitles you to keep both versions 
> installed for a transition period (90 days, as I recall). 
> After that period you are supposed to uninstall the old 
> version. For contractors who might need to have multiple 
> versions available to them to work on client projects using 
> the correct tool version, this technically mean s multiple 
> full licenses for each version.  Not very user-friendly, but 
> it's the way Adobe has structured their licenses for years.
> 
> My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
> Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ

good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Dov Isaacs]

PNG is a raster format that does not scale well.
Visio is primarily vector. You want to preserve the
content as vector. Best best is to produce PDF from
Visio and import either the PDF or EPS (saved from
the PDF in Acrobat) into your FrameMaker document.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com]
>  On Behalf Of Niels Fan?e
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:55 AM
> To: Beth Prince; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
> 
> Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me.
> 
> -Niels 
> 

good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Bill Briggs]

And if they are done in FrameMaker using the primitives I made they get spell 
checked along with the rest of the document. That's worth something.

- web

At 9:00 AM -0700 9/14/06, Gillian Flato wrote:
>Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
>your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need
>to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
>chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
>Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
>chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money
>for that.
>
>Just something to keep in mind.
>
>I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that
>specific reason.
>
>
>Thank you,
>
>Gillian Flato
>Technical Writer (Software)
>Nanometrics, Inc.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com
>[mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
>Behalf Of Bill Briggs
>Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:53 AM
>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
>
>FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly
>drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people
>on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they
>will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used
>them in quite some time.
>
> - web
>
>At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote:
>>Hi, all,
>>I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used
>SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and
>it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
>>Beth
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Is anyone else receiving a bunch of "out of office reply" and "thanks for
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They are coming from "news-bounces at pubsnet-news.com on behalf of Pubsnet
Newsletter [news at pubsnet-news.com]"

Seems like their mail server is re-distributing the auto-replies they
receive to their mailing list...

This has been going on for a few days now, and it is becoming very annoying.
I called and left a message, but no humanoid answers their phone, so who
knows whether it made a difference.

If anyone from Pubsnet receives this, perhaps you can "wrangle" you mail
server problems and stop the spamming.

This does not promote a very good feeling about the services Pubsnet offers,
especially as this problem drags on over several days.

Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Ridder, Fred]

Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more 
meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in
detail before we break the seal on the software distribution,
right?)  

I was pretty sure the restriction was still in the EULA as of
FrameMaker 6.0, but I guess that *was* "a number of years 
ago" by now.  Time sure is fun when you're having files. ;^)

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:07 PM
To: Ridder, Fred; Steve Rickaby; framers at frameusers.com
Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

Steve & Fred,

That 90-day (or whatever) restriction on version-to-version
upgrades on the same computer went out a number of years ago.

However, when you are dealing with a platform-to-platform
"sidegrade," you are dealing with software on distinctly
separate computers! The restriction is comparable to that
of the version-to-version upgrade not allowing you to
install or give away the old version for use on another
computer.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com]
>  On Behalf Of Ridder, Fred
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:46 AM
> To: Steve Rickaby; framers at frameusers.com
> Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
> 
> It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy.
> If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their 
> products, it only entitles you to keep both versions 
> installed for a transition period (90 days, as I recall). 
> After that period you are supposed to uninstall the old 
> version. For contractors who might need to have multiple 
> versions available to them to work on client projects using 
> the correct tool version, this technically mean s multiple 
> full licenses for each version.  Not very user-friendly, but 
> it's the way Adobe has structured their licenses for years.
> 
> My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
> Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ

Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:40 PM -0500 9/14/06, Bureeda Bruner wrote:
>I assume everyone on their subscriber list is receiving them.

 I'm manifestly NOT on their subscriber list and I'm getting them. Me thinks 
they have harvested names from the framers list.

 - web

Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces

[Jennifer Randel]

web wrote: 
I'm manifestly NOT on their subscriber list and I'm getting them. Me
thinks they have harvested names from the framers list.
__

I have never subscribed to a Pubsnet list either and I'm getting tons of
junk from them! 
~Jennifer 

Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces

[John Posada]

I get no email from or about pubsnet, except now through the FM list.
Who's worse.

--- Jennifer Randel  wrote:

> web wrote: 
> I'm manifestly NOT on their subscriber list and I'm getting them.
> Me
> thinks they have harvested names from the framers list.
> __
> 
> I have never subscribed to a Pubsnet list either and I'm getting
> tons of junk from them! 


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is."

Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Fred:

Ridder, Fred wrote:
> Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more 
> meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in
> detail before we break the seal on the software distribution,
> right?)  
>   
PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the disk or in the 
box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Dov Isaacs]

All Adobe's EULAs are posted for public inspection on its
website. See .

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com]
>  On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:53 AM
> To: Ridder, Fred
> Cc: framers at frameusers.com; fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
> 
> Hi, Fred:
> 
> Ridder, Fred wrote:
> > Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more 
> > meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in
> > detail before we break the seal on the software distribution,
> > right?)  
> >   
> PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the 
> disk or in the 
> box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices

Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Ridder, Fred]

LOL, Peter...

The EULA is often printed on the outside of a sealed envelope
that contains the actual software distribution, and that's the seal
that is referred to in the EULA. If there's no sealed envelope, the 
seal on the jewel case or CD sleeve (the software distribution media) 
that is the one whose breakage signifies your acceptance of the 
terms and conditions of a so-called "shrink wrap EULA" rather 
than the actual shrink-wrap on the outside box. And besides,
many software publishers also post their EULAs on their website 
where people can do due diligence before purchasing.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: Peter Gold [mailto:pe...@knowhowpro.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:53 PM
To: Ridder, Fred
Cc: framers at frameusers.com; fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

Hi, Fred:

Ridder, Fred wrote:
> Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more 
> meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in
> detail before we break the seal on the software distribution,
> right?)  
>   
PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the disk or in the

box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Fred:

Should I have waited to send this on Friday?


Ridder, Fred wrote:
> LOL, Peter...
>
> The EULA is often printed on the outside of a sealed envelope
> that contains the actual software distribution, and that's the seal
> that is referred to in the EULA. If there's no sealed envelope, the 
> seal on the jewel case or CD sleeve (the software distribution media) 
> that is the one whose breakage signifies your acceptance of the 
> terms and conditions of a so-called "shrink wrap EULA" rather 
> than the actual shrink-wrap on the outside box. And besides,
> many software publishers also post their EULAs on their website 
> where people can do due diligence before purchasing.
>
>   
Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Gold [mailto:peter at knowhowpro.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:53 PM
> To: Ridder, Fred
> Cc: framers at frameusers.com; fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
>
> Hi, Fred:
>
> Ridder, Fred wrote:
>   
>> Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more 
>> meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in
>> detail before we break the seal on the software distribution,
>> right?)  
>>   
>> 
> PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the disk or in the
>
> box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!
>
>   

FYI: Pubsnet posts

[Rick Quatro]

I just talked to someone at Pubsnet about the rogue posts and they are aware 
of the problem. Apparently, someone hacked their server and reeked havoc.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

FYI: Pubsnet posts

[Steve Rickaby]

At 15:15 -0400 14/9/06, Rick Quatro wrote:

>I just talked to someone at Pubsnet about the rogue posts and they are aware 
>of the problem. Apparently, someone hacked their server and reeked havoc.

Yup, it surely reeks ;-)

(I've been getting them too.)

-- 
Steve

FYI: Pubsnet posts

[Peter Gold]

Because there are so many of these notes, I created an email filter to 
trash them. My settings are:

Criteria:

* Date: 9/5/2006
and
* Sender or From: news-bounces at pubsnet-news.com
and
* Subject contains: [News

Actions:

* Mark as Junk
* Move to Junk folder

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

FYI: Pubsnet posts

[Art Campbell]

Addded them to the spam filter until they get it under control.
The woman I've been talking to since it started last week has been
saying their IT guys keep telling her the problem's solved. Until we
all call.
;- )

Art

On 9/14/06, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
> At 15:15 -0400 14/9/06, Rick Quatro wrote:
>
> >I just talked to someone at Pubsnet about the rogue posts and they are aware 
> >of the problem. Apparently, someone hacked their server and reeked havoc.
>
> Yup, it surely reeks ;-)
>
> (I've been getting them too.)
>
> --
> Steve
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good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Combs, Richard]

Dov Isaacs wrote: 

> PNG is a raster format that does not scale well.
> Visio is primarily vector. You want to preserve the content 
> as vector. Best best is to produce PDF from Visio and import 
> either the PDF or EPS (saved from the PDF in Acrobat) into 
> your FrameMaker document.

I'm using Visio Pro 2003 and Acrobat 7, and the Visio --> PDF process works 
great! There's an advantage to it that most people don't realize: Visio files 
can contain multiple drawing pages, and Convert to Adobe PDF will create a 
single multi-page PDF from such a file. 

In FM, when you import from that PDF, you choose the page. Instead of a dozen 
separate source files and a dozen separate output files, there's one of each. 
You can import all the drawings in no time because FM remembers the file name 
from the previous import, and you just pick a new page. Slick! 

Helpful hint: In Visio Page Setup, make both the drawing and print page size 
exactly the final size you want it in FM, so there's no need to scale (which 
can cause text problems).   

Richard


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Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro

[Gillian Flato]

Guys,

I am considering upgrading from WebWorks 7.0 to either WebWorks
ePublisher Pro or Robohelp X5. What experiences have you guys had with
both - going from Frame 7.0 to these, single-sourcing files, of course?

Which do you like better?
Does Robohelp have an edge since it's also an Adobe product?

What do you recommend? 

My final output is a .chm file. 


Thank you,



 

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.435.9600 x 316

7  408.232.5911

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Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro

[John Sgammato]

I went to ePublisher and I am happy with it. 
I used it for our last release and all the online help (HTML Help) got
done on time with no bugs, so I have no complaints. There is a learning
curve, and I thought the initial release was not ready for primetime,
but the current version seems robust enough.
I have not used RoboHelp in years so I can offer no comparisons. 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Gillian Flato
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:22 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro

Guys,

I am considering upgrading from WebWorks 7.0 to either WebWorks
ePublisher Pro or Robohelp X5. What experiences have you guys had with
both - going from Frame 7.0 to these, single-sourcing files, of course?

Which do you like better?
Does Robohelp have an edge since it's also an Adobe product?

What do you recommend? 

My final output is a .chm file. 


Thank you,



 

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.435.9600 x 316

7  408.232.5911

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Manual requirement or creation form

[Fred Staal]

Rather than reinvent the wheel, I am seeking for samples of forms that
would be submitted to a technical publications department requesting the
creation of a technical manual; the form would have spaces for
information on subject, scope, SME, deadlines, etc. to be filled in by
the submitter. 

If you have a form that you feel has served you well, I'd appreciate a
sample copy.

Thanks, 
Fred

Fred Staal
Supervisor, Technical Publications
Schilling Robotics, LLC
Phone: (530) 753-6718 x155
Fax: (530) 753-8092
fred.staal at schilling.con

good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Fred Staal]

We use Visio and import the charts into FM 6 as a linked objects. The
process seems stable, retains vector format, and avoids any conversion
issues.

Fred Staal
Supervisor, Technical Publications
Schilling Robotics, LLC
Phone: (530) 753-6718 x155
Fax: (530) 753-8092
fred.staal at schilling.con

good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Brian Weis]

I agree. I import Visio graphics into both FrameMaker and MS Word, and
the results have always been legible.

--
Brian

On 9/14/06, Charles Beck  wrote:
> Visio? I can't remember, because it's been awhile since I used it, but I
> seem to remember that it worked very well...
>

Wrapping TOC, extra tabs not quite solving all problems

[Randall Larson-Maynard]

Linda

I am interested in a real "auto" solution to this issue. It crops up now 
and then and "now" it has cropped up again. None of the tips others have 
left for you work for me either.

I tried the plugin...but for me I might as well just remember to stick in 
manual breaks at the end of the process. Not much difference for me. It's 
not graceful, but it needs to be done.

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At 11:01 PM 9/13/2006, you wrote:
>Message: 16
>Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:45:12 -0600
>From: "Linda G. Gallagher" 
>Subject: RE: Wrapping TOC, extra tabs not quite solving all problems
>To: "Grant Hogarth" ,"Framers"
> 
>Message-ID: 
>Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Thanks to everyone who responded. I received lots of great ideas, but none
>worked given the 6 x 9 page size and very long headings, except for the TOC
>Breaker plug-in http://www.telecable.es/personales/cud/cssIndex.htm. I
>installed that, played with it a bit, and got it to fix the problems. Not
>totally automatic (you have to select two menu options while in the toc file
>and after updating the book), but I think I can remember to that when I do
>the final update.
>
>Thanks all for the help and thanks, Chris, wherever you are these days, for
>the free plug-in that does this.
>
>~~
>Linda G. Gallagher
>TechCom Plus, LLC
>Intelligent technical communication since 1993
>Technical writing, help development,
>FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions
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