RE: trouble adding extra line to master page header
The ruling line is most likely now behind the expanded header text frame. You can grab it by dragging a box around it - be sure you start outside the header text frame and do not completely enclose the header frame with the selection rectangle. Or, you can select the header frame and send it to the back via the graphics menu. You will then be able to simply click to select the line. Another possibility, although it does not seem as if this is the case from your description, is that the 'header' paragraph format has a frame below set to display the line. If that is the case, simple add your desired second line of information in the header and the line should reposition automatically. I find the latter case to be 'poor design' as this will result in an uneven appearance if you have some master pages with single-line headers and some with double-line headers. On Monday, November 05, 2007 05:21 AM, David Kuhn wrote: | I need to modify a master page header. | | The modification includes adding a 2nd line to the header and | inserting the book name variable. | | I can expand the background text frame and insert the variable. | | The problem is that the blue line that was below the 1st | header line now exists between the two header lines. | | I need to delete it, but I can't seem to grab it. | | Any tips? | | | David Kuhn | Technical Writer - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Automated production of PDFs
I'm running about a dozen books in FM 7.1 and produce only PDF user and reference guides from my source, all manually, one-at-a-time. I first create a postscript file, then use Distiller to spin the PDFs. It's time to automate this procedure. I'm looking for recommendations on how-to, software, logical procedures, etc to kick-off a build script (or whatever you suggest) based on a scheduled task that produces all the book postscript files, then spins the PDFs with Distiller. A workable solution for now would be to create the postscripts to a target watched folder and use Distiller's Watched Folder feature. TIA...regards, KMac. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Generated List of References is Incomplete
Hi all- How/why would a graphic imported by reference not show up in the LOR? I've found at least 4 graphics in two of my books that aren't listed in the generated LOR (All are imported by reference.) I'm using Frame 7.2 unstructured on Windows XP Pro 2002 SP-2, if that matters. Thanks! Lin ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets
Hi Jim... A quick test shows me that the name of the referenced inset is visible as plain text within the binary FM file (FM7.2). I can't say for sure that this is 100% reliable, but I'll bet that it is. You should be able to do a text search (using a reliable tool .. not the default Windows Search) of the suspect inset host files using the filename of the inset. The only other way I know of would be with an FDK plugin or FrameScript that would crawl the directory structure, open each file and look for the inset .. I don't think that such a plugin/script exists, but it would be fairly simple to create. Good luck! ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Pinkham, Jim wrote: I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the same error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may contain a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and running the archive plug-in on each? TIA, Jim ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.
Well, 7-8 weeks is sort of in a grey area, I think. Adobe and most other vendors that I'm familiar with will give you at least a 30-day window; Adobe sometimes extends the window beyond that. However, I disagree that we all knew that Adobe knew when the Suite was shipping; if they actually had, they probably would have announced it when they shipped FM 8 in order to make a bigger splash. I suspect that the actual date and release info was dependent on other software packages' readiness, so I don't think you were a victim of a bait-and-switch. That said, since you ordered online, I think I'd look into what your credit card company can do for you if you're not satisfied with the product you purchased. Also, I'd ring Adobe back and insist on speaking with a supervisor in sales and work out an upgrade path... Art P.S. It's generally not a great idea to cross-post to a bunch of lists as you did, because it means that many people who respond will get annoying junk messages from the lists to which they don't belong. On Nov 6, 2007 5:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got off the phone with Adobe and I don't feel good about the answer I received. I purchased FrameMaker 8 seven or eight weeks ago. I got it pretty quickly after it was released. I paid the full online price and I downloaded the file from Adobe. Well, I just called and asked what could Adobe do for me as I want to purchase the Tech Comm Suite. Their answer was NOTHING. Now we all know that Adobe KNEW when I bought FrameMaker 8 that the Tech Comm suite was coming out, why did they make me spend all my money. For almost the same price as I purchased the FrameMaker 8 license, I could have purchased the entire suite if I waited a few weeks. I do have one of the qualifying products to get the upgrade price for the Tech Comm Suite. I just think this is bad business. anyone else have this issue or on the other side of the coin, do you guys think I am unrealistic to be upset. Thank you all for your thoughts. Rick ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got off the phone with Adobe and I don't feel good about the answer I received. I'm not sure the suites are that good a deal. I like to upgrade certain programs (Indesign and Framemaker) every release. But with other programs I don't feel like I need the latest release all the time. So when I go to upgrade, I don't want to pay to upgrade the whole suite just to get Framemaker. Yes, you could have gotten more for the same price. But what about next version? You're going to be able to upgrade FM for a few hundred dollars while suite owners will have to upgrade the entire suite, probably for more than double your upgrade price. Kenneth Benson Pegasus Type, Inc. www.pegtype.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.
I just got off the phone with Adobe and I don't feel good about the answer I received. I purchased FrameMaker 8 seven or eight weeks ago. I got it pretty quickly after it was released. I paid the full online price and I downloaded the file from Adobe. Well, I just called and asked what could Adobe do for me as I want to purchase the Tech Comm Suite. Their answer was NOTHING. Now we all know that Adobe KNEW when I bought FrameMaker 8 that the Tech Comm suite was coming out, why did they make me spend all my money. For almost the same price as I purchased the FrameMaker 8 license, I could have purchased the entire suite if I waited a few weeks. I do have one of the qualifying products to get the upgrade price for the Tech Comm Suite. I just think this is bad business. anyone else have this issue or on the other side of the coin, do you guys think I am unrealistic to be upset. Thank you all for your thoughts. Rick ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets
I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the same error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may contain a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and running the archive plug-in on each? TIA, Jim ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.
Kenneth C. Benson wrote: I'm not sure the suites are that good a deal. I like to upgrade certain programs (Indesign and Framemaker) every release. But with other programs I don't feel like I need the latest release all the time. So when I go to upgrade, I don't want to pay to upgrade the whole suite just to get Framemaker. But the suite versions of FrameMaker and RoboHelp have additional features not included in the standalone versions. Those features make single-sourcing with FM and RH possible; you can't do that with the standalone programs. Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.
If you want the FM integration with RH, you have to buy the suite. You don't get it without the suite. So, there's that angle to consider as well. On 11/6/07, Kenneth C. Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got off the phone with Adobe and I don't feel good about the answer I received. I'm not sure the suites are that good a deal. I like to upgrade certain programs (Indesign and Framemaker) every release. But with other programs I don't feel like I need the latest release all the time. So when I go to upgrade, I don't want to pay to upgrade the whole suite just to get Framemaker. Yes, you could have gotten more for the same price. But what about next version? You're going to be able to upgrade FM for a few hundred dollars while suite owners will have to upgrade the entire suite, probably for more than double your upgrade price. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Translation
Hello Framers: Can anyone tell me about translation? I am currently interested in translating technical manuals and parts lists that are in Frame 7.2 from English to Arabic and French. I have a few questions: How would this normally be done? Would it be done in a separate program and then put into Frame? What is the best SW translation program? Can you customize it? Are there electronic technical dictionaries out there? How is cost normally calculated? - per word, project etc?? What are some good companies for this?? Les Winberg This material contains confidential and proprietary information of Force Protection, Inc. and its subsidiaries. Copying this material or disclosing such information to others without the Company's prior consent is prohibited. This material may also contain technical data relating to a Defense Article within the meaning of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (22 CFR Part 120). The transfer or disclosure of this information to any non-U.S. person or company without any required export license approved by the United States Department of State, Directorate of Defense Trade Controls may be prohibited under federal law. Force Protection Industries, Inc. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
trouble adding extra line to master page header
Hi David, That blue line is included with the header paragraph, via the paragraph designer Advanced tab, in the Frame Below drop-down. That setting grabs a frame containing the blue line from your reference page. To add another line of text to the header, create a new second header line paragraph style and add your blue line to the Frame Below that paragraph. Select None for the Frame Below the first paragraph line. s ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics
I have a process in which I run both Frame 6 and 7 documents through an automated build. One step in this effort is to save all the files to MIF and do some string replacements on the file, then save that result back to Native form so I can print the documents. Note that is this case no substitutions were made, so it is just a round tripping of the files from MIF to Native As these files are saved back to Native (via FrameScript) I'm getting the following error/warning from Frame: SnagIt.jpg This has occurred on 4 different books, not sure if they have been all Frame 6 or not, but this last one is 6. One of the books we couldn't track the problem down and had to rebuild it. The other 3 seem to all be related to embedded OLE graphics. Is there some known problem with OLE embedded graphics or an issue with saving from MIF back to Native? ..dan *** Dan Vint Engineer Sr. BEA Systems Home: 510-522-4703 (generally working from home) Office: 408-570-8554 IM Yahoo: dvint1_99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named in this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return this by email and then delete it.___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: trouble adding extra line to master page header
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:43:41 -0800, Steven Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That blue line is included with the header paragraph, via the paragraph designer Advanced tab, in the Frame Below drop-down. That setting grabs a frame containing the blue line from your reference page. Right. To add another line of text to the header, create a new second header line paragraph style and add your blue line to the Frame Below that paragraph. Select None for the Frame Below the first paragraph line. The trouble with this solution is that you have now removed the line from every other header that has just one line. If you apply the change only to the current instance to avoid that, you have an override, which will disappear if the formats are updated from a template. This isn't good practice. Another way for the OP to handle this problem is to keep the header one paragraph, but add a second line to it using Shift-Enter. Then the blue line will remain below the second text line, and no changes to the format are required. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:25:09 -0800, Dan Vint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a process in which I run both Frame 6 and 7 documents through an automated build. One step in this effort is to save all the files to MIF and do some string replacements on the file, then save that result back to Native form so I can print the documents. Note that is this case no substitutions were made, so it is just a round tripping of the files from MIF to Native. That has always worked flawlessly for every version of Frame I've used, which goes back to Frame 3 on SunOS... ;-) As these files are saved back to Native (via FrameScript) I'm getting the following error/warning from Frame: SnagIt.jpg This has occurred on 4 different books, not sure if they have been all Frame 6 or not, but this last one is 6. One of the books we couldn't track the problem down and had to rebuild it. The other 3 seem to all be related to embedded OLE graphics. Is there some known problem with OLE embedded graphics or an issue with saving from MIF back to Native? There shouldn't be. OLE objects are preserved in MIF just as any other imported graphics are. However, since they are embedded, and not referenced, they are subject to the same troubles as other embedded graphics, which includ potential loss of data if there's inadequate disk space for the temporary files Frame generates when saving them. Check your Windows system environment variables for the TMP and TEMP directories, and make sure the drive referenced in them is not close to full. Aside from that, one cross-check you could try is to use Wash via MIF, which is a File-menu item added by the Mif2Go plugin. It works fine for both books and individual files in the demo version, which is free: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm You only need to install the plugin files, m2rbook.dll and m2gframe.dll. Wash works by saving as MIF, then reloading the MIF and saving as Frame binary. If you don't see the same problem there, you may want to check the FrameScript code to see what options you are using for the saves to MIF and to Frame binary. I don't know of a particular one that would have that effect, but it's not impossible... HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Translation
Hi Harold, I sure can. I have been managing localization since 1995. I've answered your questions and amd sending you (direct to your email address) a 24 page book I wrote that tells you about everything you will need to know to get started. It's called Localization and FrameMaker and was originally a presentation I made at the FrameUsers conference in November 2000 in San Diego. After reading the booklet, feel free to write and ask questions. BTW, you will probably get a lot of responses on the FM list that say Use my translation vendor. Don't! Recommendations are nice but you need to screen and hire a localization vendor exactly the same way you would screen and hire a tech writer. The vendor has to be right for the job you have. They must understand the technology of your business to translate accurately. They need to know and understand the terminology. But that is all explained in detail in the book. See more below. Diane Gaskill Hitachi Data Systems = -Original Message- From: Harold Winberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 6, 2007 6:05 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Translation Hello Framers: Can anyone tell me about translation? I am currently interested in translating technical manuals and parts lists that are in Frame 7.2 from English to Arabic and French. DG: First, the correct word is localization, abbreviated L10N (L + 10 letters + N) It's is way more than just translation. It takes things like date formats, money types, and a dozen other things into account. The book contains a detailed explanation. I have a few questions: How would this normally be done? e DG: It is normally done by an LSP - Localization Service Provider. LSP is the localization industry name for localization vendor. Would it be done in a separate program and then put into Frame? DG: Well, sort of. The LSP converts the FM file to MIF. Then the linguist uses a software application called the Translator's Workbench (or other similar tool) to translate the file. Then they put the translated MIF back into FM, clean it up, and send it to you. Note that that information is _very_ basic. There is actually a lot more to it than that. But if you meant that you take your file and run it through a translation program and put it back in FM, Absolutely Not. You cannot use a computer to accurately translate technical information. A human translator (called a linguist) is required to do it accurately. Some linguists do use CAT (computer assisted translation) but they always check the translations themselves to make sure it is correct. And then a second linguist checks the work of the first linguist. Anyone who tells you that machine translation by itself is OK does not know what they are talking about. What is the best SW translation program? Can you customize it? DG: There are several CAT programs, and some are trainable, that is, you can teach it your terminology, but that is not good enough. SERIOUSLY - Do Not attampt to translate techdocs with a computer alone. You will get a lot of garbage and your customers will not be happy. Are there electronic technical dictionaries out there? DG: Sure. Wikipedia and several others. There are also free online translation programs like Alta Vista, BabelFish and more, but remember, you get what you pay for. How is cost normally calculated? - per word, project etc?? DG: Combination of several things, including: per source doc word, depending on the target language. per page for DTP (desktop publishing to clean up the FM file after translation. per item for graphics translation. Several other things. Too many to explain here. See the book. It explains it in detail AND gives you prices. What are some good companies for this?? Several are listed in the back of the book. You can google any of the following terms and get a big list of them. translation localization internationalization globalization translation vendor localization service provider BTW, every vendor will tell you that they can do the job for you but I guarantee that not all of them can. The book has a list of 20 questions for screening vendors. I've long since lost count of how many Framers have the book. Maybe 2 or 3 thousand. (One of these days I need to update the book and maybe even charge a nickel for it. :-) Hope this helps. Diane === Les Winberg ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
trouble adding extra line to master page header
The ruling line is most likely now behind the expanded header text frame. You can grab it by dragging a box around it - be sure you start outside the header text frame and do not completely enclose the header frame with the selection rectangle. Or, you can select the header frame and send it to the back via the graphics menu. You will then be able to simply click to select the line. Another possibility, although it does not seem as if this is the case from your description, is that the 'header' paragraph format has a "frame below" set to display the line. If that is the case, simple add your desired second line of information in the header and the line should reposition automatically. I find the latter case to be 'poor design' as this will result in an uneven appearance if you have some master pages with single-line headers and some with double-line headers. On Monday, November 05, 2007 05:21 AM, David Kuhn wrote: | I need to modify a master page header. | | The modification includes adding a 2nd line to the header and | inserting the book name variable. | | I can expand the background text frame and insert the variable. | | The problem is that the blue line that was below the 1st | header line now exists between the two header lines. | | I need to delete it, but I can't seem to grab it. | | Any tips? | | | David Kuhn | Technical Writer - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com ---
Automated production of PDFs
I'm running about a dozen books in FM 7.1 and produce only PDF user and reference guides from my source, all manually, one-at-a-time. I first create a postscript file, then use Distiller to spin the PDFs. It's time to automate this procedure. I'm looking for recommendations on how-to, software, logical procedures, etc to kick-off a build script (or whatever you suggest) based on a scheduled task that produces all the book postscript files, then spins the PDFs with Distiller. A workable solution for now would be to create the postscripts to a target watched folder and use Distiller's Watched Folder feature. TIA...regards, KMac.
Generated List of References is Incomplete
Hi all- How/why would a graphic imported by reference not show up in the LOR? I've found at least 4 graphics in two of my books that aren't listed in the generated LOR (All are imported by reference.) I'm using Frame 7.2 unstructured on Windows XP Pro 2002 SP-2, if that matters. Thanks! Lin
Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets
I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the same error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may contain a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and running the archive plug-in on each? TIA, Jim
Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets
Hi Jim... A quick test shows me that the name of the referenced inset is visible as plain text within the binary FM file (FM7.2). I can't say for sure that this is 100% reliable, but I'll bet that it is. You should be able to do a text search (using a reliable tool .. not the default Windows Search) of the suspect inset host files using the filename of the inset. The only other way I know of would be with an FDK plugin or FrameScript that would crawl the directory structure, open each file and look for the inset .. I don't think that such a plugin/script exists, but it would be fairly simple to create. Good luck! ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Pinkham, Jim wrote: > I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It > poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the same > error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may contain > a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and running the > archive plug-in on each? > > TIA, > Jim > > > > >
Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.
I just got off the phone with Adobe and I don't feel good about the answer I received. I purchased FrameMaker 8 seven or eight weeks ago. I got it pretty quickly after it was released. I paid the full online price and I downloaded the file from Adobe. Well, I just called and asked what could Adobe do for me as I want to purchase the Tech Comm Suite. Their answer was NOTHING. Now we all know that Adobe KNEW when I bought FrameMaker 8 that the Tech Comm suite was coming out, why did they make me spend all my money. For almost the same price as I purchased the FrameMaker 8 license, I could have purchased the entire suite if I waited a few weeks. I do have one of the qualifying products to get the upgrade price for the Tech Comm Suite. I just think this is bad business. anyone else have this issue or on the other side of the coin, do you guys think I am unrealistic to be upset. Thank you all for your thoughts. Rick
Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.
richard.melanson at us.tel.com wrote: > I just got off the phone with Adobe and I don't feel good about the answer I > received. I'm not sure the suites are that good a deal. I like to upgrade certain programs (Indesign and Framemaker) every release. But with other programs I don't feel like I need the latest release all the time. So when I go to upgrade, I don't want to pay to upgrade the whole suite just to get Framemaker. Yes, you could have gotten more for the same price. But what about next version? You're going to be able to upgrade FM for a few hundred dollars while suite owners will have to upgrade the entire suite, probably for more than double your upgrade price. Kenneth Benson Pegasus Type, Inc. www.pegtype.com
Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.
Well, 7-8 weeks is sort of in a grey area, I think. Adobe and most other vendors that I'm familiar with will give you at least a 30-day window; Adobe sometimes extends the window beyond that. However, I disagree that "we all knew that Adobe knew" when the Suite was shipping; if they actually had, they probably would have announced it when they shipped FM 8 in order to make a bigger splash. I suspect that the actual date and release info was dependent on other software packages' readiness, so I don't think you were a victim of a bait-and-switch. That said, since you ordered online, I think I'd look into what your credit card company can do for you if you're not satisfied with the product you purchased. Also, I'd ring Adobe back and insist on speaking with a supervisor in sales and work out an upgrade path... Art P.S. It's generally not a great idea to cross-post to a bunch of lists as you did, because it means that many people who respond will get annoying junk messages from the lists to which they don't belong. On Nov 6, 2007 5:10 PM, wrote: > I just got off the phone with Adobe and I don't feel good about the answer I > received. I purchased FrameMaker 8 seven or eight weeks ago. I got it pretty > quickly after it was released. I paid the full online price and I downloaded > the file from Adobe. Well, I just called and asked what could Adobe do for me > as I want to purchase the Tech Comm Suite. Their answer was NOTHING. Now we > all know that Adobe KNEW when I bought FrameMaker 8 that the Tech Comm suite > was coming out, why did they make me spend all my money. For almost the same > price as I purchased the FrameMaker 8 license, I could have purchased the > entire suite if I waited a few weeks. I do have one of the qualifying > products to get the upgrade price for the Tech Comm Suite. I just think this > is bad business. anyone else have this issue or on the other side of the > coin, do you guys think I am unrealistic to be upset. Thank you all for your > thoughts. > Rick > ___ -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.
Kenneth C. Benson wrote: > I'm not sure the suites are that good a deal. I like to > upgrade certain programs (Indesign and Framemaker) every > release. But with other programs I don't feel like I need the > latest release all the time. So when I go to upgrade, I don't > want to pay to upgrade the whole suite just to get Framemaker. But the suite versions of FrameMaker and RoboHelp have additional features not included in the standalone versions. Those features make single-sourcing with FM and RH possible; you can't do that with the standalone programs. Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.
If you want the FM integration with RH, you have to buy the suite. You don't get it without the suite. So, there's that angle to consider as well. On 11/6/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote: > richard.melanson at us.tel.com wrote: > > > I just got off the phone with Adobe and I don't feel good about the answer > > I received. > > I'm not sure the suites are that good a deal. I like to upgrade certain > programs (Indesign and Framemaker) every release. But with other > programs I don't feel like I need the latest release all the time. So > when I go to upgrade, I don't want to pay to upgrade the whole suite > just to get Framemaker. > > Yes, you could have gotten more for the same price. But what about next > version? You're going to be able to upgrade FM for a few hundred dollars > while suite owners will have to upgrade the entire suite, probably for > more than double your upgrade price. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Translation
Hello Framers: Can anyone tell me about translation? I am currently interested in translating technical manuals and parts lists that are in Frame 7.2 from English to Arabic and French. I have a few questions: How would this normally be done? Would it be done in a separate program and then put into Frame? What is the best SW translation program? Can you customize it? Are there electronic technical dictionaries out there? How is cost normally calculated? - per word, project etc?? What are some good companies for this?? Les Winberg This material contains confidential and proprietary information of Force Protection, Inc. and its subsidiaries. Copying this material or disclosing such information to others without the Company's prior consent is prohibited. This material may also contain technical data relating to a "Defense Article" within the meaning of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (22 CFR Part 120). The transfer or disclosure of this information to any non-U.S. person or company without any required export license approved by the United States Department of State, Directorate of Defense Trade Controls may be prohibited under federal law. Force Protection Industries, Inc.
trouble adding extra line to master page header
Hi David, That blue line is included with the header paragraph, via the paragraph designer Advanced tab, in the "Frame Below" drop-down. That setting grabs a frame containing the blue line from your reference page. To add another line of text to the header, create a new "second header line" paragraph style and add your blue line to the "Frame Below" that paragraph. Select "None" for the "Frame Below" the first paragraph line. s
Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics
I have a process in which I run both Frame 6 and 7 documents through an automated build. One step in this effort is to save all the files to MIF and do some string replacements on the file, then save that result back to Native form so I can print the documents. Note that is this case no substitutions were made, so it is just a round tripping of the files from MIF to Native As these files are saved back to Native (via FrameScript) I'm getting the following error/warning from Frame: <> This has occurred on 4 different books, not sure if they have been all Frame 6 or not, but this last one is 6. One of the books we couldn't track the problem down and had to rebuild it. The other 3 seem to all be related to embedded OLE graphics. Is there some known problem with OLE embedded graphics or an issue with saving from MIF back to Native? ..dan *** Dan Vint Engineer Sr. BEA Systems Home: 510-522-4703 (generally working from home) Office: 408-570-8554 IM Yahoo: dvint1_99 dvint at bea.com Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named in this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return this by email and then delete it.
trouble adding extra line to master page header
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:43:41 -0800, "Steven Miller" wrote: >That blue line is included with the header paragraph, via the paragraph >designer Advanced tab, in the "Frame Below" drop-down. That setting >grabs a frame containing the blue line from your reference page. Right. >To add another line of text to the header, create a new "second header >line" paragraph style and add your blue line to the "Frame Below" that >paragraph. Select "None" for the "Frame Below" the first paragraph line. The trouble with this solution is that you have now removed the line from every other header that has just one line. If you apply the change only to the current instance to avoid that, you have an override, which will disappear if the formats are updated from a template. This isn't good practice. Another way for the OP to handle this problem is to keep the header one paragraph, but add a second line to it using Shift-Enter. Then the blue line will remain below the second text line, and no changes to the format are required. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:25:09 -0800, "Dan Vint" wrote: >I have a process in which I run both Frame 6 and 7 documents through an >automated build. One step in this effort is to save all the files to MIF >and do some string replacements on the file, then save that result back >to Native form so I can print the documents. Note that is this case no >substitutions were made, so it is just a round tripping of the files >from MIF to Native. That has always worked flawlessly for every version of Frame I've used, which goes back to Frame 3 on SunOS... ;-) > As these files are saved back to Native (via FrameScript) I'm getting >the following error/warning from Frame: > <> >This has occurred on 4 different books, not sure if they have been all >Frame 6 or not, but this last one is 6. One of the books we couldn't >track the problem down and had to rebuild it. The other 3 seem to all be >related to embedded OLE graphics. Is there some known problem with OLE >embedded graphics or an issue with saving from MIF back to Native? There shouldn't be. OLE objects are preserved in MIF just as any other imported graphics are. However, since they are embedded, and not referenced, they are subject to the same troubles as other embedded graphics, which includ potential loss of data if there's inadequate disk space for the temporary files Frame generates when saving them. Check your Windows system environment variables for the TMP and TEMP directories, and make sure the drive referenced in them is not close to full. Aside from that, one cross-check you could try is to use "Wash via MIF", which is a File-menu item added by the Mif2Go plugin. It works fine for both books and individual files in the demo version, which is free: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm You only need to install the plugin files, m2rbook.dll and m2gframe.dll. Wash works by saving as MIF, then reloading the MIF and saving as Frame binary. If you don't see the same problem there, you may want to check the FrameScript code to see what options you are using for the saves to MIF and to Frame binary. I don't know of a particular one that would have that effect, but it's not impossible... HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Translation
Hi Harold, I sure can. I have been managing localization since 1995. I've answered your questions and amd sending you (direct to your email address) a 24 page book I wrote that tells you about everything you will need to know to get started. It's called Localization and FrameMaker and was originally a presentation I made at the FrameUsers conference in November 2000 in San Diego. After reading the booklet, feel free to write and ask questions. BTW, you will probably get a lot of responses on the FM list that say "Use my translation vendor." Don't! Recommendations are nice but you need to screen and hire a localization vendor exactly the same way you would screen and hire a tech writer. The vendor has to be right for the job you have. They must understand the technology of your business to translate accurately. They need to know and understand the terminology. But that is all explained in detail in the book. See more below. Diane Gaskill Hitachi Data Systems = -Original Message- >From: Harold Winberg >Sent: Nov 6, 2007 6:05 AM >To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >Subject: Translation > >Hello Framers: > >Can anyone tell me about translation? I am currently interested in >translating technical manuals and parts lists that are in Frame 7.2 from >English to Arabic and French. > > DG: First, the correct word is localization, abbreviated L10N (L + 10 > letters + N) It's is way more than just translation. It takes things like > date formats, money types, and a dozen other things into account. The book > contains a detailed explanation. > >I have a few questions: >> > >How would this normally be done? e DG: It is normally done by an LSP - Localization Service Provider. LSP is the localization industry name for localization vendor. Would it be done in a separate program and then put into Frame? DG: Well, sort of. The LSP converts the FM file to MIF. Then the linguist uses a software application called the Translator's Workbench (or other similar tool) to translate the file. Then they put the translated MIF back into FM, clean it up, and send it to you. Note that that information is _very_ basic. There is actually a lot more to it than that. But if you meant that you take your file and run it through a translation program and put it back in FM, Absolutely Not. You cannot use a computer to accurately translate technical information. A human translator (called a "linguist") is required to do it accurately. Some linguists do use CAT (computer assisted translation) but they always check the translations themselves to make sure it is correct. And then a second linguist checks the work of the first linguist. Anyone who tells you that machine translation by itself is OK does not know what they are talking about. > > > >What is the best SW translation program? Can you customize it? DG: There are several CAT programs, and some are trainable, that is, you can teach it your terminology, but that is not good enough. SERIOUSLY - Do Not attampt to translate techdocs with a computer alone. You will get a lot of garbage and your customers will not be happy. > > >Are there electronic technical dictionaries out there? DG: Sure. Wikipedia and several others. There are also "free" online translation programs like Alta Vista, BabelFish and more, but remember, you get what you pay for. > > >How is cost normally calculated? - per word, project etc?? > DG: Combination of several things, including: per source doc word, depending on the target language. per page for DTP (desktop publishing to clean up the FM file after translation. per item for graphics translation. Several other things. Too many to explain here. See the book. It explains it in detail AND gives you prices. > > >What are some good companies for this?? Several are listed in the back of the book. You can google any of the following terms and get a big list of them. translation localization internationalization globalization translation vendor localization service provider BTW, every vendor will tell you that they can do the job for you but I guarantee that not all of them can. The book has a list of 20 questions for screening vendors. I've long since lost count of how many Framers have the book. Maybe 2 or 3 thousand. (One of these days I need to update the book and maybe even charge a nickel for it. :-) Hope this helps. Diane === > >Les Winberg
