Closing all files in a book without saving?

[Berman, Marta]

Hi

I know how to close all files in a book (Shift--File--Close All Files in 
Book) and how to save all files in a book (Shift--File--Save All Files in 
Book). Anyone know a way to close all files in a book at one time without being 
prompted to save each one (for the cases where you know there are no changes 
you want to keep, and don't want to keep clicking No, No, No...)?

Thanks
Marta Berman

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RE: Closing all files in a book without saving?

[John Sgammato]

That's great IF I want to save them all. 
But what if I want to abandon all changes and just close FrameMaker?
I was just talking about this yesterday. 

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Subject: RE: Closing all files in a book without saving?


Marta Berman asked: I know how to close all files in a book 
(Shift--File--Close All Files in Book) 
and how to save all files in a book (Shift--File--Save All Files in Book). 
Anyone know a way to close all files in a book at one time without 
being prompted to save each one (for the cases where you know there are 
no changes you want to keep, and don't want to keep clicking No, No, No...)?
 
Simple. Just use Save All Files in Book before invoking Close All Files in Book.
 
 
 
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RE: Closing all files in a book without saving?

[Fred Ridder]

Marta Berman asked: I know how to close all files in a book 
(Shift--File--Close All Files in Book) 
and how to save all files in a book (Shift--File--Save All Files in Book). 
Anyone know a way to close all files in a book at one time without being 
prompted to save each one (for the cases where you know there are no 
changes you want to keep, and don't want to keep clicking No, No, No...)?
 
Simple. Just use Save All Files in Book before invoking Close All Files in Book.
 
 
 
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Re: Closing all files in a book without saving?

[Stuart Rogers]

Berman, Marta wrote:
 Hi
 
 I know how to close all files in a book (Shift--File--Close All
 Files in Book) and how to save all files in a book
 (Shift--File--Save All Files in Book). Anyone know a way to close
 all files in a book at one time without being prompted to save each
 one (for the cases where you know there are no changes you want to
 keep, and don't want to keep clicking No, No, No...)?
 

I don't know how to avoid being prompted to save each file, but I know 
how not to keep clicking No, No, No...

Unplug your mouse for a week and learn the keyboard shortcuts.  The 
shortcut for No is n -- just hold down the key until FM disappears; 
it takes mere seconds.

HTH,

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Toronto, ON, Canada
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Re: Closing all files in a book without saving?

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Marta...

This is one feature of our FileTools plugin ..

http://leximation.com/tools/info/filetools.php

Download and give the 30-day free trial a test drive to see if it's 
worth buying.

Cheers,

...scott

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Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Berman, Marta wrote:
 Hi

 I know how to close all files in a book (Shift--File--Close All Files in 
 Book) and how to save all files in a book (Shift--File--Save All Files in 
 Book). Anyone know a way to close all files in a book at one time without 
 being prompted to save each one (for the cases where you know there are no 
 changes you want to keep, and don't want to keep clicking No, No, No...)?

 Thanks
 Marta Berman

   
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Free Webinar: Controlling help-specific features in WebWorks

[Martin Smith]

 Announcement:

 

Greetings everyone,

 

I will be hosting a free Webinar on January 31st that describes how to
control help-specific features in WebWorks ePublisher Pro using a
structured FrameMaker document based on a minimalist EDD.

 

This Webinar is based in part on a successful presentation that I gave
at the WebWorks RoundUp 2007 conference in Austin.

 

As anyone who has used ePublisher knows, WebWorks is a great
single-source authoring tool. However, implementing help-specific
features (such as pop-ups, drop-downs, and custom pages) and controlling
topic / mid-topic breaks  requires a tremendous number of styles, or
time spent post-processing the help system.

 

What is needed is a way to select help-specific features within the
FrameMaker source files independent of the formatting applied to the
text. I specialize in developing minimalist EDDs for FrameMaker that
format the text using context-based style rules. The EDD independently
assigns paragraph and character style names to the text, solely for the
benefit of WebWorks. The author can turn any section into a topic,
mid-topic, drop-down, or pop-up simply by selecting an attribute value.
The EDD automatically assigns the paragraph styles to the section
heading and all of its descendents necessary to implement the desired
help feature in the corresponding WebWorks ePublisher project.

 

Mark your calendar for 11:00 am EST; 8:00 am PST; 4:00 pm London on
January 31st if you would like to see a live demonstration of this help
authoring technique in action. Free EDDs, templates, and sample projects
will be available to those who attend.

 

To register, select  https://apexcovantage.webex.com
https://apexcovantage.webex.com  to access the enrollment page and
click Enroll to the right of the event.

 

Hurry, space is limited.

 

Regards,

 

Martin R. Smith

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Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Pete Rourke]

FM8 Windows XP

 

I started from the book addList of  Figures using the paragraph tag,
Caption, but I have not figured out how to put this into the reference page
(like what the standard index does) to do the alphabetical sorting.

 

Is there a special marker for figures?

 

I have 2 pages of 2 col generated List of figures (screenshots) and when
indexed are sorted in the order of the pages in the book.

 

Is there a way to have them appear alphabetically like the generated regular
index?

 

 

Thanks

 

Pete

 

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RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Combs, Richard]

Pete Rourke wrote: 
 
 I started from the book addList of  Figures using the 
 paragraph tag, Caption, but I have not figured out how to put 
 this into the reference page (like what the standard index 
 does) to do the alphabetical sorting.

If you want alphabetical, you need an index. Unfortunately for you,
there is no built-in index of figures or tables (if there were, it would
probably alphabetize on the autonumber that's usually used for
figures/tables -- Figure 1 ..., Figure 2 ...?). 

You can make your own index of figures, but it's a bit of work. In each
Caption pgf, you need to insert a marker. Either define a custom Marker
Type for the purpose -- say, Figure -- or use one of the built-in
types that you don't currently use -- say, Subject or Comment. The
Marker Text for each marker should be what you want in the index. If
it's the complete text of the Caption pgf, just select it all and FM
puts it in the Marker Text box of the Marker dialog. (This entire
process could be scripted, of course.)

Once all the markers exist, at the book window, select Add  Index of 
Markers. In the Set Up dialog, move the marker type you used to the
Include list and click Add. Voila!

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Frank Stearns]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Combs, Richard wrote:

 Pete Rourke wrote:

 I started from the book addList of  Figures using the
 paragraph tag, Caption, but I have not figured out how to put
 this into the reference page (like what the standard index
 does) to do the alphabetical sorting.

snips

 You can make your own index of figures, but it's a bit of work. In each
 Caption pgf, you need to insert a marker. Either define a custom Marker
 Type for the purpose -- say, Figure -- or use one of the built-in
 types that you don't currently use -- say, Subject or Comment. The
 Marker Text for each marker should be what you want in the index. If
 it's the complete text of the Caption pgf, just select it all and FM
 puts it in the Marker Text box of the Marker dialog. (This entire
 process could be scripted, of course.)

Or, you could use IXgen to do this in just a few moments. You can 
create markers from specific para tags, such as those used for the 
captions; and you can create markers of whatever type you wanted 
(including those you define yourself).

This would make later collection and modification very simple and 
fast.

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RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Pete Rourke]

Thanks Fred,

 

I missed the paragraph in the book about order of occurrence. J

 

Knowing this, I will tighten up the style rules of my captions.

 

Thanks

 

Pete

 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lists (of Contents, Tables, Figures, Paragraphs, whatever...)
are always sorted in order of occurence.  No way I'm aware of 
to change that.
 
Indexes are sorted alphabetically.
 
So if you need an alphabetical list of figure captions, you need 
to insert markers in the captions so that you can build an index
of that marker type. Frame has lots of user-defined marker types
available, so that shouldn't present a problem.
 
But I have to say that I'm not sure I really see the value of an
alphabetical list of captions unless you have some *very* 
well-defined style rules for writing the captions.  
 
-Fred Ridder

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 Subject: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables
 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:42:09 -0700
 
 FM8 Windows XP
 
 
 
 I started from the book addList of  Figures using the paragraph tag,
 Caption, but I have not figured out how to put this into the reference
page
 (like what the standard index does) to do the alphabetical sorting.
 
 
 
 Is there a special marker for figures?
 
 
 
 I have 2 pages of 2 col generated List of figures (screenshots) and when
 indexed are sorted in the order of the pages in the book.
 
 
 
 Is there a way to have them appear alphabetically like the generated
regular
 index?
 
 
 
 
 
 Thanks
 
 
 
 Pete
 
 
 
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Help tools to convert FrameMaker source files

[paul_framers]

Hi, 

In 2004, I used WebWorks Publisher 2003 for FrameMaker to convert FrameMaker 
source files to WebWorks Help files for my clients. 

Today, I have a client who wants to convert FrameMaker files to a Help system 
and I need to find the best Help conversion tool available now. I could use 
your help with information and recommendations.  

I am currently evaluating the pros and cons of using these three tools with 
FrameMaker 7.2 (or FrameMaker 8 if necessary):

RoboHelp 7
MadCap Flare
ePublisher

I've heard good things about Flare but what are your thoughts about it? I'm a 
little concerned that MadCap and Quadralay are not large companies and I wonder 
about their long term availability. That is not my concern for RoboHelp now 
that Adobe is developing it. But can RoboHelp generate cross-platform help as 
well as Flare or ePublisher?  Is ePublisher a good tool and not as buggy as it 
was when it first shipped? 

My client needs a help system that can be called from a client GUI and will 
display in a browser on Windows or Solaris 9 or 10. Mac is not a requirement. 

I'd like to hear from folks who have done this kind of comparison and are now 
actively using one of these tools. Why did you choose it and what is your 
experience with it now? Would you recommend it and where is it deficient in 
meeting your needs? 

Thanks in advance! 

-- Paul Battaglia
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RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Pete Rourke]

Thanks Richard,

This is great information, I think the task would be daunting to create my
own index of figures, and I'm not certain of the value. 
The probable resolution to my issue is to include the Figure 1-12 in the
LOF as opposed to just the text of the caption. This would help the reader
orient the figures to the chapters which would probably be more than
sufficient.

In a future project, I will incorporate your suggestion in index of markers.
Great stuff!

Thanks again

Pete Rourke
Chandler, AZ 

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Subject: RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

Pete Rourke wrote: 
 
 I started from the book addList of  Figures using the 
 paragraph tag, Caption, but I have not figured out how to put 
 this into the reference page (like what the standard index 
 does) to do the alphabetical sorting.

If you want alphabetical, you need an index. Unfortunately for you,
there is no built-in index of figures or tables (if there were, it would
probably alphabetize on the autonumber that's usually used for
figures/tables -- Figure 1 ..., Figure 2 ...?). 

You can make your own index of figures, but it's a bit of work. In each
Caption pgf, you need to insert a marker. Either define a custom Marker
Type for the purpose -- say, Figure -- or use one of the built-in
types that you don't currently use -- say, Subject or Comment. The
Marker Text for each marker should be what you want in the index. If
it's the complete text of the Caption pgf, just select it all and FM
puts it in the Marker Text box of the Marker dialog. (This entire
process could be scripted, of course.)

Once all the markers exist, at the book window, select Add  Index of 
Markers. In the Set Up dialog, move the marker type you used to the
Include list and click Add. Voila!

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Combs, Richard]

Frank Stearns wrote:  

  (This entire process could be scripted, of course.)
 
 Or, you could use IXgen to do this in just a few moments. You 
 can create markers from specific para tags, such as those 
 used for the captions; and you can create markers of whatever 
 type you wanted (including those you define yourself).

smacks forehead / D'oh! I must not have had enough caffein this
morning! 

I use IXgen for indexing and love it. I just completely spaced out that
you can automagically create markers (any kind) from/for all instances
of a pgf format. Sorry, Frank! 

Pete, IXgen will not only solve your problem quickly and easily, it'll
make many index-related tasks far, far easier, too. I highly recommend
it. 

Although if I were you, my first priority would be adding $paranum to
the LOF spec. I'm really surprised you aren't including the number
already. I don't think I've ever seen a list of numbered figures that
didn't include the number. You cross-reference them by number, don't
you? (See Figure 3-2)

Richard


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Re: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Stuart Rogers]

Pete Rourke wrote:
 FM8 Windows XP
 
  
 
 I started from the book addList of  Figures using the paragraph tag,
 Caption, but I have not figured out how to put this into the reference page
 (like what the standard index does) to do the alphabetical sorting.
 
  
 
 Is there a special marker for figures?
 
  
 
 I have 2 pages of 2 col generated List of figures (screenshots) and when
 indexed are sorted in the order of the pages in the book.
 
  
 
 Is there a way to have them appear alphabetically like the generated regular
 index?
 

Others have already replied with lots of good advice.  I'll just add 
that a work-around, if you want to sort the list you have, would be to 
convert it to a table, one cell per paragraph, and then sort the table. 
  It's a maintenance headache of course, nothing automated about it, but 
it would accomplish what you ask.

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican?
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RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Pete Rourke]

Absolutely great advice. I'm learning new tricks.

I have gone back to putting the $paranum in the LOF, which is sufficient.

Thanks again
Pete

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Subject: Re: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

Pete Rourke wrote:
 FM8 Windows XP
 
  
 
 I started from the book addList of  Figures using the paragraph tag,
 Caption, but I have not figured out how to put this into the reference
page
 (like what the standard index does) to do the alphabetical sorting.
 
  
 
 Is there a special marker for figures?
 
  
 
 I have 2 pages of 2 col generated List of figures (screenshots) and when
 indexed are sorted in the order of the pages in the book.
 
  
 
 Is there a way to have them appear alphabetically like the generated
regular
 index?
 

Others have already replied with lots of good advice.  I'll just add 
that a work-around, if you want to sort the list you have, would be to 
convert it to a table, one cell per paragraph, and then sort the table. 
  It's a maintenance headache of course, nothing automated about it, but 
it would accomplish what you ask.

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican?

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RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Pete Rourke]

Thanks Roger,

I have learned the hard way about replacing text. It took me forever to make
my standard index clean up from such mistakes.

Thanks again

Pete

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And another suggestion regarding getting markers into paragraphs of a
particular format (assuming you don't use IXGen):
Do a Find using the specific paragraph format. When you do Find Next, the
paragraph is selected. Then Esc,s,m will open the marker box with the text
already in it. But remember to click in the para before adding the marker,
otherwise the marker replaces the selected text! 

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Publications
TVWorks Canada, Inc.
150 Dufferin Avenue
London, Ontario
N6A 5N6
Canada
Tel. 519 963-4368
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Absolutely great advice. I'm learning new tricks.

I have gone back to putting the $paranum in the LOF, which is sufficient.

Thanks again
Pete

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Pete Rourke wrote:
 FM8 Windows XP
 
  
 
 I started from the book addList of  Figures using the paragraph tag,
 Caption, but I have not figured out how to put this into the reference
page
 (like what the standard index does) to do the alphabetical sorting.
 
  
 
 Is there a special marker for figures?
 
  
 
 I have 2 pages of 2 col generated List of figures (screenshots) and when
 indexed are sorted in the order of the pages in the book.
 
  
 
 Is there a way to have them appear alphabetically like the generated
regular
 index?
 

Others have already replied with lots of good advice.  I'll just add 
that a work-around, if you want to sort the list you have, would be to 
convert it to a table, one cell per paragraph, and then sort the table. 
  It's a maintenance headache of course, nothing automated about it, but 
it would accomplish what you ask.

best,

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FM8, Vista and holding down the left mouse button

[William Gaffga]

Alrighty,

Before I get annoyed with Adobe Tech Support, I will ask the question 
here. Has anyone experienced (and hopefully solved) a problem with FM8 
under Vista in which holding down the left mouse button for more than a 
second or two - as in to do a drag select - and FM locks up? We are 
experiencing this on 3 machines, 2 are 64-bit Vista Ultimate (identical 
machines) and 1 is 32-bit Vista Ultimate. Each has different 
mouse/keyboard combos. The only commonality between the systems is FM8 
and being Vista Ultimate.

Sound familiar? Hoping for some responses from those on the bleeding 
edge (bleeding because it is Vista, edge 'cause ya wanna jump).

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RE: FM8, Vista and holding down the left mouse button

[Kelly McDaniel]

I Googled 

left click +++vista freeze

and got over a zillion returns.

From what I read, this is a Vista hang, and in this case probably not
FM.

The most common problems seem to be the Aero theme and wireless mice.

See
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-12546_102-0.html?forumID=133threadID=232134
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 Alrighty,
 
 Before I get annoyed with Adobe Tech Support, I will ask the question
 here. Has anyone experienced (and hopefully solved) a problem with FM8
 under Vista in which holding down the left mouse button for more than
a
 second or two - as in to do a drag select - and FM locks up? We are
 experiencing this on 3 machines, 2 are 64-bit Vista Ultimate
(identical
 machines) and 1 is 32-bit Vista Ultimate. Each has different
 mouse/keyboard combos. The only commonality between the systems is FM8
 and being Vista Ultimate.
 
 Sound familiar? Hoping for some responses from those on the bleeding
 edge (bleeding because it is Vista, edge 'cause ya wanna jump).
 
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Re: FM8, Vista and holding down the left mouse button

[William Gaffga]

After not coming up with any good hints online, I spent some time with 
Tech Support. It would seem that there is a conflict in background 
services. At first it seemed to be SnagIt - running SnagIt AFTER running 
FM on my machine caused the mysterious hangs to stop - but that was 
quickly tossed out as this did not help on at least one of my 
co-workers' machines.

So, we are in the process of restarting with various services enabled to 
figure out what is what. I will keep the list informed.

The experiments begin.

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Re: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Pete:

If I understand your need correctly, you can do it this way:

If your source paragraphs look like this (I used autonumbered tables,
you can use figures):
Table 1:zzz
...content...
Table 2:ccc
...content...
Table 3:www
...content...
Table 4:aaa
...content...
Table 5:nnn

* Use Special  List Of  Figures (or Tables or Paragraphs) they all
extract the paragraph format you specify, in page order .

* Click Set to generate the file, and move the insertion pointer to it.
The result resembles this - no autonumber, page number order:
zzz 1
ccc 10
www 21
aaa 151
nnn 1200

To capture the autonumber (Figure #, etc.)
* On the reference page of the generated file, type  $paranum  -
without quotes, with trailing space, to the left of the line that
starts  with $paratext $pagenum.
* View the generated file's body page again
* Return to the source file and regenerate the file
* The results will resemble (autonumber visible, autonumber order,
page number order:

Table 1: zzz 1
Table 2: ccc 10
Table 3: www 21
Table 4: aaa 151
Table 5: nnn 1200


To sort the list in order of the text that follows the autonumber (aaa...zzz):
* Select the generated text
* Use Table  Convert to Table to create a table with no header rows,
each paragraph a row with cells separated by  :  (colon+space, no
quotes)
* In each row, select the first through the last cell of the caption
text, and choose Table  Straddle, to merge the caption text cells
into a single cell.
* Type a colon (:) into the empty cell after the table number in the
first row, then select and copy the cell (not just the colon)
* Select-drag down through all the empty cells in the column, and
paste, to fill all the empty cells with a colon.

The result will resemble:

Table | 1 |: | zzz  | 1
_|__|_||__
Table | 2 |: |ccc   |10
_|__|_||__
Table | 3 |: |www |21
_|__|_||__
Table | 4 |: | aaa |   151
_|__|_||__
Table | 5 |: |nnn   | 1200
_|__|_||__

* Click an insertion point in the table and choose Table  Sort
* Choose Ascending on Column 4 (the caption text)
* Click Set to sort the table


The result will resemble this:


Table | 4 |: | aaa | 151
_|__|_||__
Table | 2 |: |ccc  |   10
_|__|_||__
Table | 5 | :|nnn  |1200
_|__|_||__
Table | 3 |: |www|  211
_|__|_||__
Table | 1 |: |zzz  |  1
_|__|_||__

* Adjust the widths of the table columns
* Create table cell paragraph formats that align page numbers as you
prefer; perhaps merge the caption text cells and the page number cells
so you can create and use tab leaders as you prefer
* Create a table format that has no rulings, and apply it to the table.

The set-up work will take some effort, but, if you have lots of
entries, it may be less than creating index markers for each entry.
The virtue of markers is that you can regenerate the index whenever
there's a change that affects the page and figure-sequence numbers.
The table-sort method is best done after the document set is frozen,
although once it's set up, reapplying it to a newly-generated list.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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Closing all files in a book without saving?

[Berman, Marta]

Hi

I know how to close all files in a book (Shift-->File-->Close All Files in 
Book) and how to save all files in a book (Shift-->File-->Save All Files in 
Book). Anyone know a way to close all files in a book at one time without being 
prompted to save each one (for the cases where you know there are no changes 
you want to keep, and don't want to keep clicking No, No, No...)?

Thanks
Marta Berman

Closing all files in a book without saving?

[John Sgammato]

That's great IF I want to save them all. 
But what if I want to abandon all changes and just close FrameMaker?
I was just talking about this yesterday. 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:42 AM
To: Berman, Marta; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Closing all files in a book without saving?


Marta Berman asked:> I know how to close all files in a book 
(Shift-->File-->Close All Files in Book) 
>and how to save all files in a book (Shift-->File-->Save All Files in Book). 
>Anyone know a way to close all files in a book at one time without 
>being prompted to save each one (for the cases where you know there are 
>no changes you want to keep, and don't want to keep clicking No, No, No...)?

Simple. Just use Save All Files in Book before invoking Close All Files in Book.



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Closing all files in a book without saving?

[Stuart Rogers]

Berman, Marta wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I know how to close all files in a book (Shift-->File-->Close All
> Files in Book) and how to save all files in a book
> (Shift-->File-->Save All Files in Book). Anyone know a way to close
> all files in a book at one time without being prompted to save each
> one (for the cases where you know there are no changes you want to
> keep, and don't want to keep clicking No, No, No...)?
> 

I don't know how to avoid being prompted to save each file, but I know 
how not to keep clicking No, No, No...

Unplug your mouse for a week and learn the keyboard shortcuts.  The 
shortcut for "No" is "n" -- just hold down the key until FM disappears; 
it takes mere seconds.

HTH,

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Closing all files in a book without saving?

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Marta...

This is one feature of our FileTools plugin ..

http://leximation.com/tools/info/filetools.php

Download and give the 30-day free trial a test drive to see if it's 
worth buying.

Cheers,

...scott

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Berman, Marta wrote:
> Hi
>
> I know how to close all files in a book (Shift-->File-->Close All Files in 
> Book) and how to save all files in a book (Shift-->File-->Save All Files in 
> Book). Anyone know a way to close all files in a book at one time without 
> being prompted to save each one (for the cases where you know there are no 
> changes you want to keep, and don't want to keep clicking No, No, No...)?
>
> Thanks
> Marta Berman
>
>   

Free Webinar: Controlling help-specific features in WebWorks

[Martin Smith]

 Announcement:



Greetings everyone,



I will be hosting a free Webinar on January 31st that describes how to
control help-specific features in WebWorks ePublisher Pro using a
structured FrameMaker document based on a minimalist EDD.



This Webinar is based in part on a successful presentation that I gave
at the WebWorks RoundUp 2007 conference in Austin.



As anyone who has used ePublisher knows, WebWorks is a great
single-source authoring tool. However, implementing help-specific
features (such as pop-ups, drop-downs, and custom pages) and controlling
topic / mid-topic breaks  requires a tremendous number of styles, or
time spent post-processing the help system.



What is needed is a way to select help-specific features within the
FrameMaker source files independent of the formatting applied to the
text. I specialize in developing minimalist EDDs for FrameMaker that
format the text using context-based style rules. The EDD independently
assigns paragraph and character style names to the text, solely for the
benefit of WebWorks. The author can turn any section into a topic,
mid-topic, drop-down, or pop-up simply by selecting an attribute value.
The EDD automatically assigns the paragraph styles to the section
heading and all of its descendents necessary to implement the desired
help feature in the corresponding WebWorks ePublisher project.



Mark your calendar for 11:00 am EST; 8:00 am PST; 4:00 pm London on
January 31st if you would like to see a live demonstration of this help
authoring technique in action. Free EDDs, templates, and sample projects
will be available to those who attend.



To register, select  https://apexcovantage.webex.com
  to access the enrollment page and
click "Enroll" to the right of the event.



Hurry, space is limited.



Regards,



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Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Pete Rourke]

FM8 Windows XP



I started from the book add>List of > Figures using the paragraph tag,
Caption, but I have not figured out how to put this into the reference page
(like what the standard index does) to do the alphabetical sorting.



Is there a special marker for figures?



I have 2 pages of 2 col generated List of figures (screenshots) and when
indexed are sorted in the order of the pages in the book.



Is there a way to have them appear alphabetically like the generated regular
index?





Thanks



Pete

Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Frank Stearns]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Combs, Richard wrote:

> Pete Rourke wrote:
>
>> I started from the book add>List of > Figures using the
>> paragraph tag, Caption, but I have not figured out how to put
>> this into the reference page (like what the standard index
>> does) to do the alphabetical sorting.

snips

> You can make your own index of figures, but it's a bit of work. In each
> Caption pgf, you need to insert a marker. Either define a custom Marker
> Type for the purpose -- say, "Figure" -- or use one of the built-in
> types that you don't currently use -- say, "Subject" or "Comment." The
> Marker Text for each marker should be what you want in the index. If
> it's the complete text of the Caption pgf, just select it all and FM
> puts it in the Marker Text box of the Marker dialog. (This entire
> process could be scripted, of course.)

Or, you could use IXgen to do this in just a few moments. You can 
create markers from specific para tags, such as those used for the 
captions; and you can create markers of whatever type you wanted 
(including those you define yourself).

This would make later collection and modification very simple and 
fast.

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Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Pete Rourke]

Thanks Fred,



I missed the paragraph in the book about order of occurrence. J



Knowing this, I will tighten up the style rules of my captions.



Thanks



Pete



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:47 AM
To: pete.rourke at reefpt.com
Subject: RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables



Lists (of Contents, Tables, Figures, Paragraphs, whatever...)
are always sorted in order of occurence.  No way I'm aware of 
to change that.

Indexes are sorted alphabetically.

So if you need an alphabetical list of figure captions, you need 
to insert markers in the captions so that you can build an index
of that marker type. Frame has lots of user-defined marker types
available, so that shouldn't present a problem.

But I have to say that I'm not sure I really see the value of an
alphabetical list of captions unless you have some *very* 
well-defined style rules for writing the captions.  

-Fred Ridder

> From: pete.rourke at reefpt.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:42:09 -0700
> 
> FM8 Windows XP
> 
> 
> 
> I started from the book add>List of > Figures using the paragraph tag,
> Caption, but I have not figured out how to put this into the reference
page
> (like what the standard index does) to do the alphabetical sorting.
> 
> 
> 
> Is there a special marker for figures?
> 
> 
> 
> I have 2 pages of 2 col generated List of figures (screenshots) and when
> indexed are sorted in the order of the pages in the book.
> 
> 
> 
> Is there a way to have them appear alphabetically like the generated
regular
> index?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
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Help tools to convert FrameMaker source files

[paul_fram...@spamex.com]

Hi, 

In 2004, I used WebWorks Publisher 2003 for FrameMaker to convert FrameMaker 
source files to WebWorks Help files for my clients. 

Today, I have a client who wants to convert FrameMaker files to a Help system 
and I need to find the best Help conversion tool available now. I could use 
your help with information and recommendations.  

I am currently evaluating the pros and cons of using these three tools with 
FrameMaker 7.2 (or FrameMaker 8 if necessary):

RoboHelp 7
MadCap Flare
ePublisher

I've heard good things about Flare but what are your thoughts about it? I'm a 
little concerned that MadCap and Quadralay are not large companies and I wonder 
about their long term availability. That is not my concern for RoboHelp now 
that Adobe is developing it. But can RoboHelp generate cross-platform help as 
well as Flare or ePublisher?  Is ePublisher a good tool and not as buggy as it 
was when it first shipped? 

My client needs a help system that can be called from a client GUI and will 
display in a browser on Windows or Solaris 9 or 10. Mac is not a requirement. 

I'd like to hear from folks who have done this kind of comparison and are now 
actively using one of these tools. Why did you choose it and what is your 
experience with it now? Would you recommend it and where is it deficient in 
meeting your needs? 

Thanks in advance! 

-- Paul Battaglia

Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Pete Rourke]

Thanks Richard,

This is great information, I think the task would be daunting to create my
own index of figures, and I'm not certain of the value. 
The probable resolution to my issue is to include the "Figure 1-12" in the
LOF as opposed to just the text of the caption. This would help the reader
orient the figures to the chapters which would probably be more than
sufficient.

In a future project, I will incorporate your suggestion in index of markers.
Great stuff!

Thanks again

Pete Rourke
Chandler, AZ 

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:12 PM
To: pete.rourke at reefpt.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

Pete Rourke wrote: 

> I started from the book add>List of > Figures using the 
> paragraph tag, Caption, but I have not figured out how to put 
> this into the reference page (like what the standard index 
> does) to do the alphabetical sorting.

If you want alphabetical, you need an index. Unfortunately for you,
there is no built-in index of figures or tables (if there were, it would
probably alphabetize on the autonumber that's usually used for
figures/tables -- "Figure 1 ...," "Figure 2 ..."?). 

You can make your own index of figures, but it's a bit of work. In each
Caption pgf, you need to insert a marker. Either define a custom Marker
Type for the purpose -- say, "Figure" -- or use one of the built-in
types that you don't currently use -- say, "Subject" or "Comment." The
Marker Text for each marker should be what you want in the index. If
it's the complete text of the Caption pgf, just select it all and FM
puts it in the Marker Text box of the Marker dialog. (This entire
process could be scripted, of course.)

Once all the markers exist, at the book window, select Add > Index of >
Markers. In the Set Up dialog, move the marker type you used to the
Include list and click Add. Voila!

HTH!
Richard


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Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Combs, Richard]

Frank Stearns wrote:  

> > (This entire process could be scripted, of course.)
> 
> Or, you could use IXgen to do this in just a few moments. You 
> can create markers from specific para tags, such as those 
> used for the captions; and you can create markers of whatever 
> type you wanted (including those you define yourself).

 D'oh! I must not have had enough caffein this
morning! 

I use IXgen for indexing and love it. I just completely spaced out that
you can automagically create markers (any kind) from/for all instances
of a pgf format. Sorry, Frank! 

Pete, IXgen will not only solve your problem quickly and easily, it'll
make many index-related tasks far, far easier, too. I highly recommend
it. 

Although if I were you, my first priority would be adding <$paranum> to
the LOF spec. I'm really surprised you aren't including the number
already. I don't think I've ever seen a list of numbered figures that
didn't include the number. You cross-reference them by number, don't
you? ("See Figure 3-2")

Richard


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Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Stuart Rogers]

Pete Rourke wrote:
> FM8 Windows XP
> 
>  
> 
> I started from the book add>List of > Figures using the paragraph tag,
> Caption, but I have not figured out how to put this into the reference page
> (like what the standard index does) to do the alphabetical sorting.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there a special marker for figures?
> 
>  
> 
> I have 2 pages of 2 col generated List of figures (screenshots) and when
> indexed are sorted in the order of the pages in the book.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there a way to have them appear alphabetically like the generated regular
> index?
> 

Others have already replied with lots of good advice.  I'll just add 
that a work-around, if you want to sort the list you have, would be to 
convert it to a table, one cell per paragraph, and then sort the table. 
  It's a maintenance headache of course, nothing automated about it, but 
it would accomplish what you ask.

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican?

Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Pete Rourke]

Absolutely great advice. I'm learning new tricks.

I have gone back to putting the <$paranum> in the LOF, which is sufficient.

Thanks again
Pete

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:05 PM
To: pete.rourke at reefpt.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

Pete Rourke wrote:
> FM8 Windows XP
> 
>  
> 
> I started from the book add>List of > Figures using the paragraph tag,
> Caption, but I have not figured out how to put this into the reference
page
> (like what the standard index does) to do the alphabetical sorting.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there a special marker for figures?
> 
>  
> 
> I have 2 pages of 2 col generated List of figures (screenshots) and when
> indexed are sorted in the order of the pages in the book.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there a way to have them appear alphabetically like the generated
regular
> index?
> 

Others have already replied with lots of good advice.  I'll just add 
that a work-around, if you want to sort the list you have, would be to 
convert it to a table, one cell per paragraph, and then sort the table. 
  It's a maintenance headache of course, nothing automated about it, but 
it would accomplish what you ask.

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican?

Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Pete Rourke]

Thanks Roger,

I have learned the hard way about replacing text. It took me forever to make
my standard index clean up from such mistakes.

Thanks again

Pete

-Original Message-
From: Shuttleworth, Roger [mailto:roger_shuttlewo...@tvworks.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:31 PM
To: pete.rourke at reefpt.com; Stuart Rogers
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

And another suggestion regarding getting markers into paragraphs of a
particular format (assuming you don't use IXGen):
Do a Find using the specific paragraph format. When you do Find Next, the
paragraph is selected. Then Esc,s,m will open the marker box with the text
already in it. But remember to click in the para before adding the marker,
otherwise the marker replaces the selected text! 

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Publications
TVWorks Canada, Inc.
150 Dufferin Avenue
London, Ontario
N6A 5N6
Canada
Tel. 519 963-4368
www.tvworks.com
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pete Rourke
Sent: January 23, 2008 4:19 PM
To: 'Stuart Rogers'
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

Absolutely great advice. I'm learning new tricks.

I have gone back to putting the <$paranum> in the LOF, which is sufficient.

Thanks again
Pete

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:05 PM
To: pete.rourke at reefpt.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

Pete Rourke wrote:
> FM8 Windows XP
> 
>  
> 
> I started from the book add>List of > Figures using the paragraph tag,
> Caption, but I have not figured out how to put this into the reference
page
> (like what the standard index does) to do the alphabetical sorting.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there a special marker for figures?
> 
>  
> 
> I have 2 pages of 2 col generated List of figures (screenshots) and when
> indexed are sorted in the order of the pages in the book.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there a way to have them appear alphabetically like the generated
regular
> index?
> 

Others have already replied with lots of good advice.  I'll just add 
that a work-around, if you want to sort the list you have, would be to 
convert it to a table, one cell per paragraph, and then sort the table. 
  It's a maintenance headache of course, nothing automated about it, but 
it would accomplish what you ask.

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican?

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FM8, Vista and holding down the left mouse button

[William Gaffga]

Alrighty,

Before I get annoyed with Adobe Tech Support, I will ask the question 
here. Has anyone experienced (and hopefully solved) a problem with FM8 
under Vista in which holding down the left mouse button for more than a 
second or two - as in to do a drag select - and FM locks up? We are 
experiencing this on 3 machines, 2 are 64-bit Vista Ultimate (identical 
machines) and 1 is 32-bit Vista Ultimate. Each has different 
mouse/keyboard combos. The only commonality between the systems is FM8 
and being Vista "Ultimate".

Sound familiar? Hoping for some responses from those on the bleeding 
edge ("bleeding" because it is Vista, "edge" 'cause ya wanna jump).

Thanks.

Will.

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FM8, Vista and holding down the left mouse button

[Kelly McDaniel]

I Googled 

left click +++vista freeze

and got over a zillion returns.

>From what I read, this is a Vista hang, and in this case probably not
FM.

The most common problems seem to be the Aero theme and wireless mice.

See
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-12546_102-0.html?forumID=133=232134
=2395352

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> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of William Gaffga
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:06 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: FM8, Vista and holding down the left mouse button
> 
> Alrighty,
> 
> Before I get annoyed with Adobe Tech Support, I will ask the question
> here. Has anyone experienced (and hopefully solved) a problem with FM8
> under Vista in which holding down the left mouse button for more than
a
> second or two - as in to do a drag select - and FM locks up? We are
> experiencing this on 3 machines, 2 are 64-bit Vista Ultimate
(identical
> machines) and 1 is 32-bit Vista Ultimate. Each has different
> mouse/keyboard combos. The only commonality between the systems is FM8
> and being Vista "Ultimate".
> 
> Sound familiar? Hoping for some responses from those on the bleeding
> edge ("bleeding" because it is Vista, "edge" 'cause ya wanna jump).
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Will.
> 
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FM8, Vista and holding down the left mouse button

[William Gaffga]

After not coming up with any good hints online, I spent some time with 
Tech Support. It would seem that there is a conflict in background 
services. At first it seemed to be SnagIt - running SnagIt AFTER running 
FM on my machine caused the mysterious hangs to stop - but that was 
quickly tossed out as this did not help on at least one of my 
co-workers' machines.

So, we are in the process of restarting with various services enabled to 
figure out what is what. I will keep the list informed.

The experiments begin.

Will.

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Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Pete:

If I understand your need correctly, you can do it this way:

If your source paragraphs look like this (I used autonumbered tables,
you can use figures):
Table 1:zzz
...content...
Table 2:ccc
...content...
Table 3:www
...content...
Table 4:aaa
...content...
Table 5:nnn

* Use Special > List Of > Figures (or Tables or Paragraphs) they all
extract the paragraph format you specify, in page order .

* Click Set to generate the file, and move the insertion pointer to it.
The result resembles this - no autonumber, page number order:
zzz 1
ccc 10
www 21
aaa 151
nnn 1200

To capture the autonumber ("Figure #, etc.)
* On the reference page of the generated file, type  "<$paranum> " -
without quotes, with trailing space, to the left of the line that
starts  with "<$paratext> <$pagenum>".
* View the generated file's body page again
* Return to the source file and regenerate the file
* The results will resemble (autonumber visible, autonumber order,
page number order:

Table 1: zzz 1
Table 2: ccc 10
Table 3: www 21
Table 4: aaa 151
Table 5: nnn 1200


To sort the list in order of the text that follows the autonumber (aaa...zzz):
* Select the generated text
* Use Table > Convert to Table to create a table with no header rows,
each paragraph a row with cells separated by  ": " (colon+space, no
quotes)
* In each row, select the first through the last cell of the caption
text, and choose Table > Straddle, to merge the caption text cells
into a single cell.
* Type a colon (":") into the empty cell after the table number in the
first row, then select and copy the cell (not just the colon)
* Select-drag down through all the empty cells in the column, and
paste, to fill all the empty cells with a colon.

The result will resemble:

Table | 1 |: | zzz  | 1
_|__|_||__
Table | 2 |: |ccc   |10
_|__|_||__
Table | 3 |: |www |21
_|__|_||__
Table | 4 |: | aaa |   151
_|__|_||__
Table | 5 |: |nnn   | 1200
_|__|_||__

* Click an insertion point in the table and choose Table > Sort
* Choose Ascending on Column 4 (the caption text)
* Click Set to sort the table


The result will resemble this:


Table | 4 |: | aaa | 151
_|__|_||__
Table | 2 |: |ccc  |   10
_|__|_||__
Table | 5 | :|nnn  |1200
_|__|_||__
Table | 3 |: |www|  211
_|__|_||__
Table | 1 |: |zzz  |  1
_|__|_||__

* Adjust the widths of the table columns
* Create table cell paragraph formats that align page numbers as you
prefer; perhaps merge the caption text cells and the page number cells
so you can create and use tab leaders as you prefer
* Create a table format that has no rulings, and apply it to the table.

The set-up work will take some effort, but, if you have lots of
entries, it may be less than creating index markers for each entry.
The virtue of markers is that you can regenerate the index whenever
there's a change that affects the page and figure-sequence numbers.
The table-sort method is best done after the document set is frozen,
although once it's set up, reapplying it to a newly-generated list.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Pete Rourke]

Thanks Richard,

I started the LOF with the <$paranum> and then started looking for
alternatives that started this chain of communications. (Very
educational-BTW) 
I have gone back to where I started from with the numbered figures. I
actually do cross reference by them all through the book.

Thanks

Pete Rourke
Chandler, AZ

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:39 PM
To: Frank Stearns
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; pete.rourke at reefpt.com
Subject: RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

Frank Stearns wrote:  

> > (This entire process could be scripted, of course.)
> 
> Or, you could use IXgen to do this in just a few moments. You 
> can create markers from specific para tags, such as those 
> used for the captions; and you can create markers of whatever 
> type you wanted (including those you define yourself).

 D'oh! I must not have had enough caffein this
morning! 

I use IXgen for indexing and love it. I just completely spaced out that
you can automagically create markers (any kind) from/for all instances
of a pgf format. Sorry, Frank! 

Pete, IXgen will not only solve your problem quickly and easily, it'll
make many index-related tasks far, far easier, too. I highly recommend
it. 

Although if I were you, my first priority would be adding <$paranum> to
the LOF spec. I'm really surprised you aren't including the number
already. I don't think I've ever seen a list of numbered figures that
didn't include the number. You cross-reference them by number, don't
you? ("See Figure 3-2")

Richard


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Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

And another suggestion regarding getting markers into paragraphs of a 
particular format (assuming you don't use IXGen):
Do a Find using the specific paragraph format. When you do Find Next, the 
paragraph is selected. Then Esc,s,m will open the marker box with the text
already in it. But remember to click in the para before adding the marker, 
otherwise the marker replaces the selected text! 

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Publications
TVWorks Canada, Inc.
150 Dufferin Avenue
London, Ontario
N6A 5N6
Canada
Tel. 519 963-4368
www.tvworks.com
-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pete Rourke
Sent: January 23, 2008 4:19 PM
To: 'Stuart Rogers'
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

Absolutely great advice. I'm learning new tricks.

I have gone back to putting the <$paranum> in the LOF, which is sufficient.

Thanks again
Pete

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:05 PM
To: pete.rourke at reefpt.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

Pete Rourke wrote:
> FM8 Windows XP
> 
>  
> 
> I started from the book add>List of > Figures using the paragraph tag,
> Caption, but I have not figured out how to put this into the reference
page
> (like what the standard index does) to do the alphabetical sorting.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there a special marker for figures?
> 
>  
> 
> I have 2 pages of 2 col generated List of figures (screenshots) and when
> indexed are sorted in the order of the pages in the book.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there a way to have them appear alphabetically like the generated
regular
> index?
> 

Others have already replied with lots of good advice.  I'll just add 
that a work-around, if you want to sort the list you have, would be to 
convert it to a table, one cell per paragraph, and then sort the table. 
  It's a maintenance headache of course, nothing automated about it, but 
it would accomplish what you ask.

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Using PDF Converter with Frame

[Emmy A.]

Hello Everyone,

We use several versions of Frame, from 6+SGML through
Frame 8, to create software manuals. We have been
using Frame for many years, but my company's
purchasing department recently asked us to stop
ordering Acrobat and to instead try using a product
called PDF Converter. Cost-cutting. 

Because I was asked to, I tested PDF Converter and
found that it does not recognize Frame files. After
fiddling around with it, I was able to print an
individual chapter of one manual to the PDF Converter
printer, which resulted in a PDF of that chapter, but
the PDF had no bookmarks or hyperlinks. I believe the
product may be able to create bookmarks but they have
to be done manually (imagine doing this at production
time), but on the topic of hyperlinks, the included
documentation is silent.

The product also claims that PDFs created from it can
be edited, but it appears it does so by converting the
PDF to a Word file. I don't see the appeal of this
when the source was created in Frame. What am I
missing? In any case, I was unsuccessful in creating a
PDF of an entire manual that resembled the manuals we
have been producing successfully for many years using
Acrobat.

However, I am still tasked with justifying why we need
Acrobat. Therefore, if anyone out there is using PDF
Converter to create PDF files from Frame, and you are
able to create PDF versions of multi-chapter books
that contain hundreds of hyperlinks, automatically
generated bookmarks, and all the other features
standard with Acrobat, would you please be kind enough
to write to me and tell me how you do it?

Or, if anyone has made a comparison of the features of
PDF Converter to Acrobat in the tasks required to
create complex manuals (automatic bookmarks,
hyperlinks, accessibility, embedded fonts--you know
what I mean), I would also appreciate having that
information.

Regards,
Emmy Aricioglu



  

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