Re: Can't open FrameMaker 7.2 - resolved

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Thanks for all those who replied.

I tried rebooting several times, and running the repair process of the 
installer. It did not help. Eventually I bit the bullet and uninstalled 
Frame and reinstalled, and it worked. The uninstaller gave me the option 
to keep my settings, which I did. After reinstalling I still have my 
cudspan tools. There was one file with ESC shortcut keys that I had 
customized and it got overwritten, but I have a backup.

The only problem I noticed (so far) is that I can't scroll. I've seen 
solutions for that on the list. I'll work on that later.

-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson


Dov Isaacs wrote:
 Try rebooting your system first. There may be some resource which is
 oversubscribed or locked.

 BTW, why are so many of you suffering from Reinstallzheimers? In fact,
 very, very few problems have been resolved by simply reinstalling software.

 - Dov

   
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 Shmuel Wolfson
 Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:08 AM
 To: Framers
 Subject: Can't open FrameMaker 7.2

 I can't seem to open FrameMaker today. When I try to open Frame, it
 starts to open and the splash screen appears, but in the end the splash
 screen disappears and Frame is not open.  (There is no Frame.exe process
 either.)

 Should I reinstall Frame? I currently have Frame 7.2 installed, but I
 only have the disk for 7.0. If I install 7.0 will Frame download updates
 for 7.2?

 Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated?


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 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 052-763-7133
 

   
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RE: Cover page heading shows up as last PDF bookmark- SOLVED

[Eli Har-Even]

The solution:
1. Ensure the document title body page frame and the body page frame of the 
rest of the document are in the same flow (they already were)
2. Connect the frames in the right order (as explained in the FrameMaker 6.0 
online help topic Connecting text frames.

Thanks to Shlomo Perets for pointing me in the right direction.

Eli.

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Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:17 PM
To: Eli Har-Even
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Cover page heading shows up as last PDF bookmark

Eli,

You wrote:

A weird one.

I have a document with a cover page that contains the document title. The
title is the first paragraph in the document, but in the generated PDF,
the title appears as the last bookmark.

Why?
How do I make the doc title show up as the first bookmark? (without having
to move it manually in Acrobat)

[FrameMaker 6.0p405]
[Acrobat Professional 7.0.2]


Make sure that you have one flow (A) for the entire content, update your
FM template as needed.
[ see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0504 ]


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Finding a font

[Christopher Seal]

FM7.2
WinXPPro

A 700-page document I've been given indicates in the console that the 
'Times' font is not available.

How do I find where in the book (22 components) where Times is specified?

The FindCharacter Format... does not list Times as a Family to search for 
(of course).

Regards...Chris


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Re: Finding a font

[David Spreadbury]

Christopher,
You could save the file as MIF and then search the MIF file for Times.
 
Once you find it, go back to the Frame file(s) and look for the format that is 
using it, probably on a master page, then fix, replace or delete, the format 
using the Times font. You could also edit the MIF to reflect the font you 
want (copy a good font entry) and then open it up in Frame. All should then be 
well.

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From: Christopher Seal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Finding a font
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 8:08 AM

FM7.2
WinXPPro

A 700-page document I've been given indicates in the console that the 
'Times' font is not available.

How do I find where in the book (22 components) where Times is specified?

The FindCharacter Format... does not list Times as a Family to search for 
(of course).

Regards...Chris


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RE: Finding a font

[Lester C. Smalley]

Does this message appear when you try to print the document, or when opening 
it?  The fonts available may depend on which printer is currently selected. 
(and usually will in Windows :-( )

Missing fonts can also hide in reference pages, cross-reference formats, 
table definitions (e.g., the paragraph formats used by default for cells 
contents), and graphic images (such as WMF, EPS or PDF).

If all other font usage are correct, an option is to choose to NOT remember 
missing fonts (file  preferences  general preferences; be sure the remember 
box is unchecked) when you open a document.  This option needs to be changed 
before you open the document in question. Frame will make permanent the 
substitution based on information in the [UnknownToKnownFontMap] section of the 
maker.ini file. 

On Monday, December 08, 2008 09:57, David Spreadbury wrote:
 
| Christopher,
| 
| You could save the file as MIF and then search the MIF file for Times.
| 
| Once you find it, go back to the Frame file(s) and look for the format
| that is using it, probably on a master page, then fix, replace or
| delete, the format using the Times font. You could also edit the MIF
| to reflect the font you want (copy a good font entry) and then open it
| up in Frame. All should then be well.
| 
| --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Christopher Seal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| 
| From: Christopher Seal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: Finding a font
| To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
| Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 8:08 AM
| 
| FM7.2
| WinXPPro
| 
| A 700-page document I've been given indicates in the console that
| the 'Times' font is not available.
| 
| How do I find where in the book (22 components) where Times is
| specified?
| 
| The FindCharacter Format... does not list Times as a Family to
| search for (of course).
| 
| Regards...Chris

- Lester 
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Re: Finding a font

[Art Campbell]

As Lester points out, the fonts in use may be dependent on what
printer you have set as the system default. Try setting it to the
Adobe PDF logical printer.

Beyond that, I think the procedure differs a bit depending on whether
you think Times is used by any important components or not. The first
thing I'd do is make a copy of the directory or book, so you can
recover from any changes you make.

One solution is to install Times, or edit your font substitution table.

If you don't want to alter your FM or system setup, the first thing
I'd try is putting the cursor in the first line of text in a file,
opening the Paragraph Designer) and watching the Font tab. As you move
the cursor through the text file, the font will change to show you
what is in use.

If you don't find anything, I'd also try the Reference and Master pages.

Then try the same thing with another file or two until you find something.

If you still don't find anything that uses Times, make a copy of the
file, turn off your Remember Missing Font Preference setting, and open
and save the copy. If the file still works and the formatting is OK,
you've probably fixed the problem. Repeat for the other files in the
book.


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On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Christopher Seal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 FM7.2
 WinXPPro

 A 700-page document I've been given indicates in the console that the
 'Times' font is not available.

 How do I find where in the book (22 components) where Times is specified?

 The FindCharacter Format... does not list Times as a Family to search for
 (of course).

 Regards...Chris


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RE: Can't open FrameMaker 7.2

[Owen, Clint]

We have found in FM 7.0 that FrameMaker creates a bunch of temporary
files that accumulate in the temp directory under the user profile.
Eventually some limit is reached and FM stops working. You can run disk
cleanup within Windows or create a batch file to delete these and FM
will work again.

Clint


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Subject: Can't open FrameMaker 7.2

I can't seem to open FrameMaker today. When I try to open Frame, it
starts to open and the splash screen appears, but in the end the splash
screen disappears and Frame is not open.  (There is no Frame.exe process
either.)

Should I reinstall Frame? I currently have Frame 7.2 installed, but I
only have the disk for 7.0. If I install 7.0 will Frame download updates
for 7.2?

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated?


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Source Control for Frame

[Flato, Gillian]

Is there any source control out there that works really well with Frame?
We have subversion here, but that can only read ASCII files. It stores
Frame's proprietary files and graphics, but it can't do a diff report on
them. Or at least, is there any source control that can read PDFs and do
diff reports on them?
 
Has anyone tried using PDM with Frame? My engineers are planning on
implementing that for their DWG files and I could probably use it too.
 

Thank you,

 

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Paragraph catalog sort order

[Fred Ridder]

Has anyone found a workaround for the change in the sort 
order used in the Paragraph Catalog and other listings of 
paragraph tags?
 
Our company's templates were set up with 1- or 2-character
prefixes for all the common paragraph tags to facilitate keyboard
selection via the F9 key. The most commonly used tags had
a single-character prefix so that they'd sort to the top of their
respective group, and the less common tags had a second 
character that was either a digit (to indicate indent level)
or a mnemonically selected alpha character. For example, 
we have
  B-Body
  B2-Body 2
  B3-Body 3
  B4-Body 4
and
  T-Table Title
  TB-Table 
  TB-Table Body Center
  TH-Table Heading
etc, etc.
 
This worked beautifully in FM6.0 and FM7.x.  But in FM8,
the sort order for the list changed and the hyphen now 
sorts *after* any alphanumeric character so that the 
order now looks like:
  B2-Body 2
  B3-Body 3
  B4-Body 4
  B-Body
Pressing F9 and then B, gets you B2. Pressing B again
gets you B3. The only way to get to the base B-Body 
tag is four Bs or else B and a hyphen. And its much 
worse for the table tags, where the T-Table Title tag
is now sorted as the last of 16 related tags stating 
with T. 
 
Other than a wholesale renaming of the paragraph tags
in our templates and all documents based on them to
change the hyphens to spaces, I guess we'll just have 
to get used to typing the hyphen whenever we use the
F9 shortcut. Sigh...Fred Ridder
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Broken xrefs -- how to avoid

[Emmy A.]

Frame 7.2 on WinXP

We are doing some work where I am getting book files from the writers and 
converting them from one template to another. Book files consist of chapters, 
text inset files, and graphic files that are referenced. The conversion itself 
is a piece of cake. However, there is a problem with the xrefs becoming broken 
because the directory structure on the originating writer's machine is 
different from mine. However, both the writer and I maintain the same relative 
paths between the book file, text insets, and graphics. But when the writer 
copies the converted files back to his machine, the xrefs are broken.

I know that there is some way to avoid having the broken xrefs, but I cannot 
recall how to do it. Does it rely on having the relative paths having the same 
name? Please advise.

Emmy Aricioglu
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Re: Source Control for Frame

[Scott Prentice]

I'm not aware of any way to use source control for binary files (FM or 
otherwise) other than just being able to know if the file has changed 
(even that may not really be very accurate). And there's no way to do a 
useful diff of two FM files other than using the Compare utility in FM.

This is one of the big advantages of using XML, since the files are text 
(as long as you use an XML-aware diff tool).

You *could* store MIF files in your version control system, but then 
you'll need to add a MIF round-tripping workflow .. probably not a 
viable option.

Hopefully someone else will have some other ideas.

Cheers,

...scott


Flato, Gillian wrote:
 Is there any source control out there that works really well with Frame?
 We have subversion here, but that can only read ASCII files. It stores
 Frame's proprietary files and graphics, but it can't do a diff report on
 them. Or at least, is there any source control that can read PDFs and do
 diff reports on them?
  
 Has anyone tried using PDM with Frame? My engineers are planning on
 implementing that for their DWG files and I could probably use it too.
  

 Thank you,

  

 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Gillian Flato

 Technical Writer (Software)

 nanometrics

 1550 Buckeye Dr. 

 Milpitas, CA. 95035

 (408.545.6316

 7  408.232.5911

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Re: Broken xrefs -- how to avoid

[Art Campbell]

Without knowing more about your environment, I would try Bruce
Foster's Archive plugin to collect and submit files. It would be an
easy way to make things work, and make the process simple. The plugin
will resolve cross-refs and also set up a common directory structure
that you can easily import.

On your side, you'd just put the archives in place in a common
directory and they should all just work. And if you send files back,
you can use Archive to create a single-file archive from your
environment.

Art

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On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Emmy A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Frame 7.2 on WinXP

 We are doing some work where I am getting book files from the writers and 
 converting them from one template to another. Book files consist of chapters, 
 text inset files, and graphic files that are referenced. The conversion 
 itself is a piece of cake. However, there is a problem with the xrefs 
 becoming broken because the directory structure on the originating writer's 
 machine is different from mine. However, both the writer and I maintain the 
 same relative paths between the book file, text insets, and graphics. But 
 when the writer copies the converted files back to his machine, the xrefs are 
 broken.

 I know that there is some way to avoid having the broken xrefs, but I cannot 
 recall how to do it. Does it rely on having the relative paths having the 
 same name? Please advise.

 Emmy Aricioglu
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Re: Source Control for Frame

[John Posada]

When I was at EMC, we used Documentum for source control and it
handled binaries just fine. You may, however, find the price tag a bit
steep.

 Is there any source control out there that works really well with Frame?
 We have subversion here, but that can only read ASCII files. It stores

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Re: Source Control for Frame

[Scott Prentice]

Hi John...

By handle binaries .. what did it actually do? Did it do a binary diff 
on the files and only store the changes or did it store each update as a 
whole blob? And did it provide you with the actual diffs of the content 
without running FM?

...scott


John Posada wrote:
 When I was at EMC, we used Documentum for source control and it
 handled binaries just fine. You may, however, find the price tag a bit
 steep.

   
 Is there any source control out there that works really well with Frame?
 We have subversion here, but that can only read ASCII files. It stores
   

   
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Re: Finding a font

[Dave Reynolds]

Hi Chris

I see you've already had some replies.  One other thing you can try is 
to generate an Index of References for fonts.  In Frame 8 this is done 
as follows:

* With the book file open, select Add  Index Of  References.  
  This opens the Set Up Index of References dialog.
* Move Fonts into the Include References field (double click or
  select and use the arrow).
* Make sure the Create Hypertext Links box is checked.
* click Add.
* Update the book.

Open the generated IOR file.  You will see a list of all the fonts used 
in the book, in alphabetical order.  Each entry is a hypertext link to 
the page where the font is located.  Use Ctrl+Alt+click to click on each 
link and jump to that location.  The font should be highlighted.  
(Note:  Frame seems to use the page layout of the first file in the book 
for the IOR file - you may need to change this if you have a title page 
with an unusual layout.)

If there is no text highlighted on the page you have jumped to, the font 
may be hidden in an unused text line (I've had this happen to me).  When 
you select the Draw a Text Line tool and click anywhere in a page (even 
in the margins), Frame seems to leave behind an instance of a text line, 
even if you haven't typed any text.  Without any text, this text line is 
of course invisible.  The best way I know to find them is to click in 
the margin (so the cursor is not in the text) and type Ctrl+a (select 
all).  This will select all objects on the page, including any empty 
text lines.

Best of luck

Dave

Christopher Seal wrote, on 9/12/2008 3:08 a.m.:
 FM7.2
 WinXPPro

 A 700-page document I've been given indicates in the console that the 
 'Times' font is not available.

 How do I find where in the book (22 components) where Times is specified?

 The FindCharacter Format... does not list Times as a Family to search for 
 (of course).

 Regards...Chris


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Re: Source Control for Frame

[David Spreadbury]

Have you looked at Sourcerer, from Advantica, Inc?
 
Adobe has a Success Story at 
www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/pdfs/advantica_ss.pdf.


--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Scott Prentice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Scott Prentice [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Source Control for Frame
To: John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Framers List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 1:59 PM

Hi John...

By handle binaries .. what did it actually do? Did it do a binary
diff 
on the files and only store the changes or did it store each update as a 
whole blob? And did it provide you with the actual diffs of the content 
without running FM?

...scott


John Posada wrote:
 When I was at EMC, we used Documentum for source control and it
 handled binaries just fine. You may, however, find the price tag a bit
 steep.

   
 Is there any source control out there that works really well with
Frame?
 We have subversion here, but that can only read ASCII files. It
stores
   

   
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Re: Paragraph catalog sort order

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Fred:

Just off the top of my head I wonder if the change is from an ASCII
sort order to a Unicode sort order.

Have you tried choosing a different character set for your OS (I'm on
my Mac right now, and can't remember the exact name or location on a
Windows machine.)

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Has anyone found a workaround for the change in the sort
 order used in the Paragraph Catalog and other listings of
 paragraph tags?

Regards,

Peter Gold
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RE: Source Control for Frame

[O'Laoghaire Micheal]

Documentum with FrameLink worked pretty well and we used it in my
company for several years. But then FrameLink got discontinued and the
last/best version was incompatible with the latest Documentum. We had to
revert back to file servers. 

Some day, we will probably convert to XML, for which there is a lot of
industry support.

Regards,
Micheal O'Laoghaire
BSS Line of Product Documentation
Comverse Inc.
Cambridge, MA.
Tel: (617) 273-5414


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Cc: Framers List
Subject: Re: Source Control for Frame

When I was at EMC, we used Documentum for source control and it
handled binaries just fine. You may, however, find the price tag a bit
steep.

 Is there any source control out there that works really well with
Frame?
 We have subversion here, but that can only read ASCII files. It
stores

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Re: Source Control for Frame

[Scott Prentice]

Sourcerer .. or it's replacement, ABCM, from West Street Consulting 
(http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_ABCM.htm), is a great tool for 
single sourcing with structured FM, but I'm not sure how it relates to 
source control systems.

Cheers,

...scott


David Spreadbury wrote:
 Have you looked at Sourcerer, from Advantica, Inc?
  
 Adobe has a Success Story at 
 www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/pdfs/advantica_ss.pdf 
 http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/pdfs/advantica_ss.pdf.


 --- On *Mon, 12/8/08, Scott Prentice *wrote:

 From: Scott Prentice 
 Subject: Re: Source Control for Frame
 To: John Posada
 Cc: Framers List 
 Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 1:59 PM

 Hi John...

 By handle binaries .. what did it actually do? Did it do a binary
 diff 
 on the files and only store the changes or did it store each update as a 
 whole blob? And did it provide you with the actual diffs of the content 
 without running FM?

 ...scott


 John Posada wrote:
  When I was at EMC, we used Documentum for source control and it
  handled binaries just fine. You may, however, find the price tag a bit
  steep.
 

  Is there any source control out there that works really well with
 Frame?
  We have subversion here, but that can only read ASCII files. It
 stores

 


   


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Re: Paragraph catalog sort order

[Jim Owens]

FWIW, one of our writers reported that the paragraph catalog sorts 
differently on her home PC than her work PC. At first glance, it 
appeared to be a simple reverse sort, but it was her home PC so we did 
not investigate closely.

The tag tp, table para was showing up at the bottom of the list rather 
than the top. Following up on Fred's observation, I see that all of our 
other tags beginning tp have three characters before the comma.

Since the writer has the same FM software in both places, it's not 
likely to be Frame, unless there's a hidden setting that controls this.


Fred Ridder wrote:
 Has anyone found a workaround for the change in the sort 
 order used in the Paragraph Catalog and other listings of 
 paragraph tags?
  
 Our company's templates were set up with 1- or 2-character
 prefixes for all the common paragraph tags to facilitate keyboard
 selection via the F9 key. The most commonly used tags had
 a single-character prefix so that they'd sort to the top of their
 respective group, and the less common tags had a second 
 character that was either a digit (to indicate indent level)
 or a mnemonically selected alpha character. For example, 
 we have
   B-Body
   B2-Body 2
   B3-Body 3
   B4-Body 4
 and
   T-Table Title
   TB-Table 
   TB-Table Body Center
   TH-Table Heading
 etc, etc.
  
 This worked beautifully in FM6.0 and FM7.x.  But in FM8,
 the sort order for the list changed and the hyphen now 
 sorts *after* any alphanumeric character so that the 
 order now looks like:
   B2-Body 2
   B3-Body 3
   B4-Body 4
   B-Body
 Pressing F9 and then B, gets you B2. Pressing B again
 gets you B3. The only way to get to the base B-Body 
 tag is four Bs or else B and a hyphen. And its much 
 worse for the table tags, where the T-Table Title tag
 is now sorted as the last of 16 related tags stating 
 with T. 
  
 Other than a wholesale renaming of the paragraph tags
 in our templates and all documents based on them to
 change the hyphens to spaces, I guess we'll just have 
 to get used to typing the hyphen whenever we use the
 F9 shortcut. Sigh...Fred Ridder
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RE: Paragraph catalog sort order

[Fred Ridder]

I think you might be on the right track, Peter, given someone else's 
observation that they have seen FM8 behave differently in this regard
on two different machnies.
 
But I have to say that I have no clue about where/how to change to
a different character set for my OS (Windows XP Pro SP2).  
 
Fred Ridder
 

Peter Gold wrote: Just off the top of my head I wonder if the change is from 
an ASCII
 sort order to a Unicode sort order.
 
 Have you tried choosing a different character set for your OS (I'm on
 my Mac right now, and can't remember the exact name or location on a
 Windows machine.) 
 On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Has anyone found a workaround for the change in the sort
  order used in the Paragraph Catalog and other listings of
  paragraph tags?
 
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Re: Paragraph catalog sort order

[Stuart Rogers]

Fred Ridder wrote:
 I think you might be on the right track, Peter, given someone else's 
 observation that they have seen FM8 behave differently in this regard
 on two different machnies.
  
 But I have to say that I have no clue about where/how to change to
 a different character set for my OS (Windows XP Pro SP2).  
  
 Fred Ridder

Fred,

Have a look at Control Panel  Regional and Language Options, Advanced 
tab.  I'm not sure what you need to change there, but I think the Code 
page conversion tables are what Peter is referring to.

HTH,

-- 
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Toronto, ON, Canada
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Re: Paragraph catalog sort order

[Peter Gold]

Stuart gives me more credit than I deserve for my wild guess. I
dreamed this up by remembering some of the reported problems with
Unicode-aware FM and spurious characters in PDF bookmarks, and in
moving legacy files created in earlier versions into FM 8.


On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Stuart Rogers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fred Ridder wrote:
 I think you might be on the right track, Peter, given someone else's
 observation that they have seen FM8 behave differently in this regard
 on two different machnies.

 But I have to say that I have no clue about where/how to change to
 a different character set for my OS (Windows XP Pro SP2).

 Fred Ridder

 Fred,

 Have a look at Control Panel  Regional and Language Options, Advanced
 tab.  I'm not sure what you need to change there, but I think the Code
 page conversion tables are what Peter is referring to.

 HTH,

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
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RE: Paragraph catalog sort order

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi,

When the tag you want to access is the last one in a series,
you could also use the Shift key to select the last item.
Example: F9 Shift+t to select TH.

Best regards

Winfried

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
 Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:01 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Paragraph catalog sort order
 
 
 Has anyone found a workaround for the change in the sort 
 order used in the Paragraph Catalog and other listings of 
 paragraph tags?
  
 Our company's templates were set up with 1- or 2-character
 prefixes for all the common paragraph tags to facilitate keyboard
 selection via the F9 key. The most commonly used tags had
 a single-character prefix so that they'd sort to the top of their
 respective group, and the less common tags had a second 
 character that was either a digit (to indicate indent level)
 or a mnemonically selected alpha character. For example, 
 we have
   B-Body
   B2-Body 2
   B3-Body 3
   B4-Body 4
 and
   T-Table Title
   TB-Table 
   TB-Table Body Center
   TH-Table Heading
 etc, etc.
  
 This worked beautifully in FM6.0 and FM7.x.  But in FM8,
 the sort order for the list changed and the hyphen now 
 sorts *after* any alphanumeric character so that the 
 order now looks like:
   B2-Body 2
   B3-Body 3
   B4-Body 4
   B-Body
 Pressing F9 and then B, gets you B2. Pressing B again
 gets you B3. The only way to get to the base B-Body 
 tag is four Bs or else B and a hyphen. And its much 
 worse for the table tags, where the T-Table Title tag
 is now sorted as the last of 16 related tags stating 
 with T. 
  
 Other than a wholesale renaming of the paragraph tags
 in our templates and all documents based on them to
 change the hyphens to spaces, I guess we'll just have 
 to get used to typing the hyphen whenever we use the
 F9 shortcut. Sigh...Fred Ridder
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Can't open FrameMaker 7.2 - resolved

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Thanks for all those who replied.

I tried rebooting several times, and running the repair process of the 
installer. It did not help. Eventually I bit the bullet and uninstalled 
Frame and reinstalled, and it worked. The uninstaller gave me the option 
to keep my settings, which I did. After reinstalling I still have my 
cudspan tools. There was one file with ESC shortcut keys that I had 
customized and it got overwritten, but I have a backup.

The only problem I noticed (so far) is that I can't scroll. I've seen 
solutions for that on the list. I'll work on that later.

-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson


Dov Isaacs wrote:
> Try rebooting your system first. There may be some resource which is
> oversubscribed or locked.
>
> BTW, why are so many of you suffering from "Reinstallzheimers"? In fact,
> very, very few problems have been resolved by simply reinstalling software.
>
> - Dov
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
>> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
>> Shmuel Wolfson
>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:08 AM
>> To: Framers
>> Subject: Can't open FrameMaker 7.2
>>
>> I can't seem to open FrameMaker today. When I try to open Frame, it
>> starts to open and the splash screen appears, but in the end the splash
>> screen disappears and Frame is not open.  (There is no Frame.exe process
>> either.)
>>
>> Should I reinstall Frame? I currently have Frame 7.2 installed, but I
>> only have the disk for 7.0. If I install 7.0 will Frame download updates
>> for 7.2?
>>
>> Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Shmuel Wolfson
>> 052-763-7133
>> 
>
>   

Cover page heading shows up as last PDF bookmark- SOLVED

[Eli Har-Even]

The solution:
1. Ensure the document title body page frame and the body page frame of the 
rest of the document are in the same flow (they already were)
2. Connect the frames in the right order (as explained in the FrameMaker 6.0 
online help topic "Connecting text frames".

Thanks to Shlomo Perets for pointing me in the right direction.

Eli.

-Original Message-
From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:shlo...@microtype.com]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:17 PM
To: Eli Har-Even
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Cover page heading shows up as last PDF bookmark

Eli,

You wrote:

>A weird one.
>
>I have a document with a cover page that contains the document title. The
>title is the first paragraph in the document, but in the generated PDF,
>the title appears as the last bookmark.
>
>Why?
>How do I make the doc title show up as the first bookmark? (without having
>to move it manually in Acrobat)
>
>[FrameMaker 6.0p405]
>[Acrobat Professional 7.0.2]


Make sure that you have one flow ("A") for the entire content, update your
FM template as needed.
[ see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0504 ]


Shlomo Perets

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Finding a font

[Christopher Seal]

FM7.2
WinXPPro

A 700-page document I've been given indicates in the console that the 
'Times' font is not available.

How do I find where in the book (22 components) where Times is specified?

The Find>Character Format... does not list Times as a Family to search for 
(of course).

Regards...Chris

Finding a font

[David Spreadbury]

Christopher,
You could save the file as MIF and then search the MIF file for Times.
?
Once you find it, go back to the Frame file(s) and look for the format that is 
using it, probably on a master page, then fix, replace or delete, the format 
using the Times font. You could also edit the MIF to reflect the font you 
want?(copy a good font entry) and then open it up in Frame. All should then be 
well.

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Christopher Seal  wrote:

From: Christopher Seal 
Subject: Finding a font
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 8:08 AM

FM7.2
WinXPPro

A 700-page document I've been given indicates in the console that the 
'Times' font is not available.

How do I find where in the book (22 components) where Times is specified?

The Find>Character Format... does not list Times as a Family to search for 
(of course).

Regards...Chris


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Finding a font

[Lester C. Smalley]

Does this message appear when you try to print the document, or when opening 
it?  The fonts available may depend on which printer is currently selected. 
(and usually will in Windows :-( )

"Missing" fonts can also hide in reference pages, cross-reference formats, 
table definitions (e.g., the paragraph formats used by default for cells 
contents), and graphic images (such as WMF, EPS or PDF).

If all other font usage are correct, an option is to choose to NOT remember 
missing fonts (file > preferences > general preferences; be sure the "remember" 
box is unchecked) when you open a document.  This option needs to be changed 
before you open the document in question. Frame will make permanent the 
substitution based on information in the [UnknownToKnownFontMap] section of the 
maker.ini file. 

On Monday, December 08, 2008 09:57, David Spreadbury wrote:

| Christopher,
| 
| You could save the file as MIF and then search the MIF file for Times.
| 
| Once you find it, go back to the Frame file(s) and look for the format
| that is using it, probably on a master page, then fix, replace or
| delete, the format using the Times font. You could also edit the MIF
| to reflect the font you want?(copy a good font entry) and then open it
| up in Frame. All should then be well.
| 
| --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Christopher Seal  wrote:
| 
| From: Christopher Seal 
| Subject: Finding a font
| To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
| Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 8:08 AM
| 
| FM7.2
| WinXPPro
| 
| A 700-page document I've been given indicates in the console that
| the 'Times' font is not available.
| 
| How do I find where in the book (22 components) where Times is
| specified?
| 
| The Find>Character Format... does not list Times as a Family to
| search for (of course).
| 
| Regards...Chris

- Lester 
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Finding a font

[Art Campbell]

As Lester points out, the fonts in use may be dependent on what
printer you have set as the system default. Try setting it to the
Adobe PDF logical printer.

Beyond that, I think the procedure differs a bit depending on whether
you think Times is used by any important components or not. The first
thing I'd do is make a copy of the directory or book, so you can
recover from any changes you make.

One solution is to install Times, or edit your font substitution table.

If you don't want to alter your FM or system setup, the first thing
I'd try is putting the cursor in the first line of text in a file,
opening the Paragraph Designer) and watching the Font tab. As you move
the cursor through the text file, the font will change to show you
what is in use.

If you don't find anything, I'd also try the Reference and Master pages.

Then try the same thing with another file or two until you find something.

If you still don't find anything that uses Times, make a copy of the
file, turn off your Remember Missing Font Preference setting, and open
and save the copy. If the file still works and the formatting is OK,
you've probably fixed the problem. Repeat for the other files in the
book.


Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Christopher Seal  wrote:
> FM7.2
> WinXPPro
>
> A 700-page document I've been given indicates in the console that the
> 'Times' font is not available.
>
> How do I find where in the book (22 components) where Times is specified?
>
> The Find>Character Format... does not list Times as a Family to search for
> (of course).
>
> Regards...Chris
>
>
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Can't open FrameMaker 7.2

[Owen, Clint]

We have found in FM 7.0 that FrameMaker creates a bunch of temporary
files that accumulate in the temp directory under the user profile.
Eventually some limit is reached and FM stops working. You can run disk
cleanup within Windows or create a batch file to delete these and FM
will work again.

Clint


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Telephone: +1 425-743-8674 | Fax: +1 425-743-8113


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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel
Wolfson
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:08 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Can't open FrameMaker 7.2

I can't seem to open FrameMaker today. When I try to open Frame, it
starts to open and the splash screen appears, but in the end the splash
screen disappears and Frame is not open.  (There is no Frame.exe process
either.)

Should I reinstall Frame? I currently have Frame 7.2 installed, but I
only have the disk for 7.0. If I install 7.0 will Frame download updates
for 7.2?

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated?


--
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133


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Source Control for Frame

[Flato, Gillian]

Is there any source control out there that works really well with Frame?
We have subversion here, but that can only read ASCII files. It stores
Frame's proprietary files and graphics, but it can't do a diff report on
them. Or at least, is there any source control that can read PDFs and do
diff reports on them?

Has anyone tried using PDM with Frame? My engineers are planning on
implementing that for their DWG files and I could probably use it too.


Thank you,



 

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.545.6316

7  408.232.5911

* gflato at nanometrics  .com
 

Paragraph catalog sort order

[Fred Ridder]

Has anyone found a workaround for the change in the sort 
order used in the Paragraph Catalog and other listings of 
paragraph tags?

Our company's templates were set up with 1- or 2-character
prefixes for all the common paragraph tags to facilitate keyboard
selection via the F9 key. The most commonly used tags had
a single-character prefix so that they'd sort to the top of their
respective group, and the less common tags had a second 
character that was either a digit (to indicate indent level)
or a mnemonically selected alpha character. For example, 
we have
  B-Body
  B2-Body 2
  B3-Body 3
  B4-Body 4
and
  T-Table Title
  TB-Table 
  TB-Table Body Center
  TH-Table Heading
etc, etc.

This worked beautifully in FM6.0 and FM7.x.  But in FM8,
the sort order for the list changed and the hyphen now 
sorts *after* any alphanumeric character so that the 
order now looks like:
  B2-Body 2
  B3-Body 3
  B4-Body 4
  B-Body
Pressing F9 and then B, gets you B2. Pressing B again
gets you B3. The only way to get to the base B-Body 
tag is four Bs or else B and a hyphen. And its much 
worse for the table tags, where the T-Table Title tag
is now sorted as the last of 16 related tags stating 
with T. 

Other than a wholesale renaming of the paragraph tags
in our templates and all documents based on them to
change the hyphens to spaces, I guess we'll just have 
to get used to typing the hyphen whenever we use the
F9 shortcut. Sigh...Fred Ridder

Broken xrefs -- how to avoid

[Emmy A.]

Frame 7.2 on WinXP

We are doing some work where I am getting book files from the writers and 
converting them from one template to another. Book files consist of chapters, 
text inset files, and graphic files that are referenced. The conversion itself 
is a piece of cake. However, there is a problem with the xrefs becoming broken 
because the directory structure on the originating writer's machine is 
different from mine. However, both the writer and I maintain the same relative 
paths between the book file, text insets, and graphics. But when the writer 
copies the converted files back to his machine, the xrefs are broken.

I know that there is some way to avoid having the broken xrefs, but I cannot 
recall how to do it. Does it rely on having the relative paths having the same 
name? Please advise.

Emmy Aricioglu
emmy_aricioglu at hp.com

Source Control for Frame

[Scott Prentice]

I'm not aware of any way to use source control for binary files (FM or 
otherwise) other than just being able to know if the file has changed 
(even that may not really be very accurate). And there's no way to do a 
useful diff of two FM files other than using the Compare utility in FM.

This is one of the big advantages of using XML, since the files are text 
(as long as you use an XML-aware diff tool).

You *could* store MIF files in your version control system, but then 
you'll need to add a MIF round-tripping workflow .. probably not a 
viable option.

Hopefully someone else will have some other ideas.

Cheers,

...scott


Flato, Gillian wrote:
> Is there any source control out there that works really well with Frame?
> We have subversion here, but that can only read ASCII files. It stores
> Frame's proprietary files and graphics, but it can't do a diff report on
> them. Or at least, is there any source control that can read PDFs and do
> diff reports on them?
>  
> Has anyone tried using PDM with Frame? My engineers are planning on
> implementing that for their DWG files and I could probably use it too.
>  
>
> Thank you,
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Gillian Flato
>
> Technical Writer (Software)
>
> nanometrics
>
> 1550 Buckeye Dr. 
>
> Milpitas, CA. 95035
>
> (408.545.6316
>
> 7  408.232.5911
>
> * gflato at nanometrics  .com
>  
>
>  

Broken xrefs -- how to avoid

[Art Campbell]

Without knowing more about your environment, I would try Bruce
Foster's Archive plugin to collect and submit files. It would be an
easy way to make things work, and make the process simple. The plugin
will resolve cross-refs and also set up a common directory structure
that you can easily import.

On your side, you'd just put the archives in place in a common
directory and they should all just work. And if you send files back,
you can use Archive to create a single-file archive from your
environment.

Art

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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   DoD 358



On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Emmy A.  wrote:
> Frame 7.2 on WinXP
>
> We are doing some work where I am getting book files from the writers and 
> converting them from one template to another. Book files consist of chapters, 
> text inset files, and graphic files that are referenced. The conversion 
> itself is a piece of cake. However, there is a problem with the xrefs 
> becoming broken because the directory structure on the originating writer's 
> machine is different from mine. However, both the writer and I maintain the 
> same relative paths between the book file, text insets, and graphics. But 
> when the writer copies the converted files back to his machine, the xrefs are 
> broken.
>
> I know that there is some way to avoid having the broken xrefs, but I cannot 
> recall how to do it. Does it rely on having the relative paths having the 
> same name? Please advise.
>
> Emmy Aricioglu
> emmy_aricioglu at hp.com
>
>
>
>
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Source Control for Frame

[John Posada]

When I was at EMC, we used Documentum for source control and it
handled binaries just fine. You may, however, find the price tag a bit
steep.

>> Is there any source control out there that works really well with Frame?
>> We have subversion here, but that can only read ASCII files. It stores

-- 
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
NYMetro STC President

'Half this game is ninety percent mental.'
 -- Danny Ozark, Philadelphia Phillies manager

Source Control for Frame

[Scott Prentice]

Hi John...

By "handle binaries" .. what did it actually do? Did it do a binary diff 
on the files and only store the changes or did it store each update as a 
whole blob? And did it provide you with the actual diffs of the content 
without running FM?

...scott


John Posada wrote:
> When I was at EMC, we used Documentum for source control and it
> handled binaries just fine. You may, however, find the price tag a bit
> steep.
>
>   
>>> Is there any source control out there that works really well with Frame?
>>> We have subversion here, but that can only read ASCII files. It stores
>>>   
>
>   

Source Control for Frame

[David Spreadbury]

Have you looked at Sourcerer, from Advantica, Inc?
?
Adobe has a Success Story at 
www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/pdfs/advantica_ss.pdf.


--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Scott Prentice  wrote:

From: Scott Prentice 
Subject: Re: Source Control for Frame
To: "John Posada" 
Cc: "Framers List" 
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 1:59 PM

Hi John...

By "handle binaries" .. what did it actually do? Did it do a binary
diff 
on the files and only store the changes or did it store each update as a 
whole blob? And did it provide you with the actual diffs of the content 
without running FM?

...scott


John Posada wrote:
> When I was at EMC, we used Documentum for source control and it
> handled binaries just fine. You may, however, find the price tag a bit
> steep.
>
>   
>>> Is there any source control out there that works really well with
Frame?
>>> We have subversion here, but that can only read ASCII files. It
stores
>>>   
>
>   
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Paragraph catalog sort order

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Fred:

Just off the top of my head I wonder if the change is from an ASCII
sort order to a Unicode sort order.

Have you tried choosing a different character set for your OS (I'm on
my Mac right now, and can't remember the exact name or location on a
Windows machine.)

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:
>
> Has anyone found a workaround for the change in the sort
> order used in the Paragraph Catalog and other listings of
> paragraph tags?

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Source Control for Frame

[O'Laoghaire Micheal]

Documentum with FrameLink worked pretty well and we used it in my
company for several years. But then FrameLink got discontinued and the
last/best version was incompatible with the latest Documentum. We had to
revert back to file servers. 

Some day, we will probably convert to XML, for which there is a lot of
industry support.

Regards,
Micheal O'Laoghaire
BSS Line of Product Documentation
Comverse Inc.
Cambridge, MA.
Tel: (617) 273-5414


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Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 2:47 PM
To: Scott Prentice
Cc: Framers List
Subject: Re: Source Control for Frame

When I was at EMC, we used Documentum for source control and it
handled binaries just fine. You may, however, find the price tag a bit
steep.

>> Is there any source control out there that works really well with
Frame?
>> We have subversion here, but that can only read ASCII files. It
stores

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NYMetro STC President

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Source Control for Frame

[Scott Prentice]

Sourcerer .. or it's replacement, ABCM, from West Street Consulting 
(http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_ABCM.htm), is a great tool for 
single sourcing with structured FM, but I'm not sure how it relates to 
source control systems.

Cheers,

...scott


David Spreadbury wrote:
> Have you looked at Sourcerer, from Advantica, Inc?
>  
> Adobe has a Success Story at 
> www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/pdfs/advantica_ss.pdf 
> .
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 12/8/08, Scott Prentice *wrote:
>
> From: Scott Prentice 
> Subject: Re: Source Control for Frame
> To: "John Posada"
> Cc: "Framers List" 
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 1:59 PM
>
> Hi John...
>
> By "handle binaries" .. what did it actually do? Did it do a binary
> diff 
> on the files and only store the changes or did it store each update as a 
> whole blob? And did it provide you with the actual diffs of the content 
> without running FM?
>
> ...scott
>
>
> John Posada wrote:
> > When I was at EMC, we used Documentum for source control and it
> > handled binaries just fine. You may, however, find the price tag a bit
> > steep.
> >
> >   
> >>> Is there any source control out there that works really well with
> Frame?
> >>> We have subversion here, but that can only read ASCII files. It
> stores
> >>>   
> >
> >   
>
>   
>
>

Paragraph catalog sort order

[Jim Owens]

FWIW, one of our writers reported that the paragraph catalog sorts 
differently on her home PC than her work PC. At first glance, it 
appeared to be a simple reverse sort, but it was her home PC so we did 
not investigate closely.

The tag "tp, table para" was showing up at the bottom of the list rather 
than the top. Following up on Fred's observation, I see that all of our 
other tags beginning "tp" have three characters before the comma.

Since the writer has the same FM software in both places, it's not 
likely to be Frame, unless there's a hidden setting that controls this.


Fred Ridder wrote:
> Has anyone found a workaround for the change in the sort 
> order used in the Paragraph Catalog and other listings of 
> paragraph tags?
>  
> Our company's templates were set up with 1- or 2-character
> prefixes for all the common paragraph tags to facilitate keyboard
> selection via the F9 key. The most commonly used tags had
> a single-character prefix so that they'd sort to the top of their
> respective group, and the less common tags had a second 
> character that was either a digit (to indicate indent level)
> or a mnemonically selected alpha character. For example, 
> we have
>   B-Body
>   B2-Body 2
>   B3-Body 3
>   B4-Body 4
> and
>   T-Table Title
>   TB-Table 
>   TB-Table Body Center
>   TH-Table Heading
> etc, etc.
>  
> This worked beautifully in FM6.0 and FM7.x.  But in FM8,
> the sort order for the list changed and the hyphen now 
> sorts *after* any alphanumeric character so that the 
> order now looks like:
>   B2-Body 2
>   B3-Body 3
>   B4-Body 4
>   B-Body
> Pressing F9 and then B, gets you B2. Pressing B again
> gets you B3. The only way to get to the base B-Body 
> tag is four Bs or else B and a hyphen. And its much 
> worse for the table tags, where the T-Table Title tag
> is now sorted as the last of 16 related tags stating 
> with T. 
>  
> Other than a wholesale renaming of the paragraph tags
> in our templates and all documents based on them to
> change the hyphens to spaces, I guess we'll just have 
> to get used to typing the hyphen whenever we use the
> F9 shortcut. Sigh...Fred Ridder
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Paragraph catalog sort order

[Fred Ridder]

I think you might be on the right track, Peter, given someone else's 
observation that they have seen FM8 behave differently in this regard
on two different machnies.

But I have to say that I have no clue about where/how to change to
a different character set for my OS (Windows XP Pro SP2).  

Fred Ridder


Peter Gold wrote:> Just off the top of my head I wonder if the change is from 
an ASCII
> sort order to a Unicode sort order.
> 
> Have you tried choosing a different character set for your OS (I'm on
> my Mac right now, and can't remember the exact name or location on a
> Windows machine.)> 
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone found a workaround for the change in the sort
> > order used in the Paragraph Catalog and other listings of
> > paragraph tags?

Paragraph catalog sort order

[Stuart Rogers]

Fred Ridder wrote:
> I think you might be on the right track, Peter, given someone else's 
> observation that they have seen FM8 behave differently in this regard
> on two different machnies.
>  
> But I have to say that I have no clue about where/how to change to
> a different character set for my OS (Windows XP Pro SP2).  
>  
> Fred Ridder

Fred,

Have a look at Control Panel > Regional and Language Options, Advanced 
tab.  I'm not sure what you need to change there, but I think the Code 
page conversion tables are what Peter is referring to.

HTH,

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
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Paragraph catalog sort order

[Peter Gold]

Stuart gives me more credit than I deserve for my wild guess. I
dreamed this up by remembering some of the reported problems with
Unicode-aware FM and spurious characters in PDF bookmarks, and in
moving legacy files created in earlier versions into FM 8.


On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Stuart Rogers
 wrote:
> Fred Ridder wrote:
>> I think you might be on the right track, Peter, given someone else's
>> observation that they have seen FM8 behave differently in this regard
>> on two different machnies.
>>
>> But I have to say that I have no clue about where/how to change to
>> a different character set for my OS (Windows XP Pro SP2).
>>
>> Fred Ridder
>
> Fred,
>
> Have a look at Control Panel > Regional and Language Options, Advanced
> tab.  I'm not sure what you need to change there, but I think the Code
> page conversion tables are what Peter is referring to.
>
> HTH,

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
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