date:20090205

Hi Frameusers

I'm using FrameMaker 7.2 p158, Windows XP SP3 and Excel 2003 and 2007. I
copy a couple of cells from an Excel sheet and past them as OLE objects in
some of my FM documents. I do it this way for this type of documents because
the tables contain formulas. I only have one or two of these objects in my
FM docs, so file size isn't the issue here. This has always worked pretty
well until some time ago. I now see the following behavior: when I paste the
copied cells in my FM document as OLE object (Edit  Paste Special  Paste
Link), I just get to see a very small empty anchored frame of 4 x 4 mm.

When I paste the copied cells in FM8 and FM9, everything is okay.

Has anyone had this experience with FM 7.2 too? Any ideas why these OLE
objects stopped working at some point?

Thanks in advance



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Re: OLE objects don't work anymore

Yves,

If you do a Google search, you'll see that for most people they
stopped working when SP3 shipped. There have been at least a dozen
threads about it on this list and more on the other Frame lists.

SP3 plugged a security hole in XP's OLE implementation, so while
rolling the fix back is possible, it certainly isn't recommended,
especially if you're in any kind of business environment. FM 8 users
have reported the problem too, but in 9, I believe Adobe re-engineered
the program's support method because they were aware of the problem.
Initial testing and reports, such as yours, seem to indicate that it
works. But I'd be surprised if anything fixes 7.x objects because it
isn't supported code either on the FM or operating system side.

Art

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On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Frameusers

 I'm using FrameMaker 7.2 p158, Windows XP SP3 and Excel 2003 and 2007. I
 copy a couple of cells from an Excel sheet and past them as OLE objects in
 some of my FM documents. I do it this way for this type of documents because
 the tables contain formulas. I only have one or two of these objects in my
 FM docs, so file size isn't the issue here. This has always worked pretty
 well until some time ago. I now see the following behavior: when I paste the
 copied cells in my FM document as OLE object (Edit  Paste Special  Paste
 Link), I just get to see a very small empty anchored frame of 4 x 4 mm.

 When I paste the copied cells in FM8 and FM9, everything is okay.

 Has anyone had this experience with FM 7.2 too? Any ideas why these OLE
 objects stopped working at some point?

 Thanks in advance



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Re: OLE objects don't work anymore

Hi Art

Thanks! And indeed, I should have googled or checked the FrameUsers archives
first, sorry about that.

Cheers

Yves

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yves,

 If you do a Google search, you'll see that for most people they
 stopped working when SP3 shipped. There have been at least a dozen
 threads about it on this list and more on the other Frame lists.

 SP3 plugged a security hole in XP's OLE implementation, so while
 rolling the fix back is possible, it certainly isn't recommended,
 especially if you're in any kind of business environment. FM 8 users
 have reported the problem too, but in 9, I believe Adobe re-engineered
 the program's support method because they were aware of the problem.
 Initial testing and reports, such as yours, seem to indicate that it
 works. But I'd be surprised if anything fixes 7.x objects because it
 isn't supported code either on the FM or operating system side.

 Art

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 On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi Frameusers
 
  I'm using FrameMaker 7.2 p158, Windows XP SP3 and Excel 2003 and 2007. I
  copy a couple of cells from an Excel sheet and past them as OLE objects
 in
  some of my FM documents. I do it this way for this type of documents
 because
  the tables contain formulas. I only have one or two of these objects in
 my
  FM docs, so file size isn't the issue here. This has always worked pretty
  well until some time ago. I now see the following behavior: when I paste
 the
  copied cells in my FM document as OLE object (Edit  Paste Special 
 Paste
  Link), I just get to see a very small empty anchored frame of 4 x 4 mm.
 
  When I paste the copied cells in FM8 and FM9, everything is okay.
 
  Has anyone had this experience with FM 7.2 too? Any ideas why these OLE
  objects stopped working at some point?
 
  Thanks in advance
 
 
 
  --
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OT: markups

Hi Framers:

I have an OT questions -- when you mark up someone's document, or when
they mark up your document, how do you determine between must change
markups and strongly recommend markups?

Thanks,

Deirdre
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Re: OT: markups

If I'm using hard copy, two different colors -- red and black ink, for instance.
Electronically in an Acrobat review, by setting different comment
properties/flags/levels.


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deirdre.rea...@gmail.com wrote:
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 I have an OT questions -- when you mark up someone's document, or when
 they mark up your document, how do you determine between must change
 markups and strongly recommend markups?

 Thanks,

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Re: OT: markups

2009-02-05 Thread Scott White

Aha. The dreaded Happy to Glad question. I think this should read  
happy. No, I think this should read glad.
In my world now, building industrial catalogs, we use red only and  
that is for MUST changes that if not made will cause the end of man  
kind as we know it or maybe kill someone. In our business there is no  
such thing as strongly recommend, it would be nice or, as we used  
to call it in the newspaper business, happy to glad. If we allowed  
this we would have every pulitzer wannabe putting his or her spin on a  
3/4 open end wrench or 5-gallon safety can.


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Re: OT: markups

LOL -- the Happy to Glad rule!  Never heard of it.  That's very funny.

Thanks so much for the comments so far.  A lot of my comments are of
the must change variety, but a lot of my comments are it could be
this way if you mean this, and it could be this way if you mean that
and the author realizes, oh! not clear, and rewrites in a third,
clear way.

This is probably a small issue, but I just wanted to check with you
experts to see how the world at large handles it, before I start
laying down the law here in my corner of the universe.

As usual, you people are funny and full of wisdom.  I love this list.

Deirdre

On 2/5/09, Scott White swh...@alamark.com wrote:
 Aha. The dreaded Happy to Glad question. I think this should read happy.
 No, I think this should read glad.
 In my world now, building industrial catalogs, we use red only and that is
 for MUST changes that if not made will cause the end of man kind as we know
 it or maybe kill someone. In our business there is no such thing as
 strongly recommend, it would be nice or, as we used to call it in the
 newspaper business, happy to glad. If we allowed this we would have every
 pulitzer wannabe putting his or her spin on a 3/4 open end wrench or
 5-gallon safety can.


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 Media Production Manager
 Implementation Coordinator
 210-704-8239
 swh...@alamark.com




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  Hi Framers:
 
  I have an OT questions -- when you mark up someone's document, or when
  they mark up your document, how do you determine between must change
  markups and strongly recommend markups?
 
  Thanks,
 
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Re: Follow up on Handling Large Books in FrameMaker

2009-02-05 Thread Joseph

Hi Fred,

I wanted to clarify one aspect of this discussion. Is the Open All Files in
Book command causing FrameMaker to freeze and crash an unrelated issue with
the LAN and indicative of some other problem (e.g. file corruption), or are
you saying that because the LAN is causing Frame to crash when I use the
Open All Files command, I should open each file manually?

Sincerely,
Joe


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  Joe wrote:

  Based on what you and others have said, it certainly sounds like the LAN
 is
  the culprit, not FrameMaker.

 Yes. And the workaround that several of us have suggested (opening all
 the component files before doing book-level operations) is still valid,
 That approach will eliminate the multiple, very slow open-update-save-close

 cycles that have to occur in the background if the files are not open
 during the updae book operation. I know you've said that the Open All
 Files In Book command chokes, but you will still save a lot of time in the
 long run if you take a fee minutes to manually open each file. And there
 are several approaches you could take to scripting this if manual opening
 is too tedious for you.

 -Fred Ridder






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RE: Follow up on Handling Large Books in FrameMaker

2009-02-05 Thread Fred Ridder


Joe wrote:
 
 
 I wanted to clarify one aspect of this discussion. 
 Is the Open All Files in Book command causing FrameMaker 
 to freeze and crash an unrelated issue with the LAN and 
 indicative of some other problem (e.g. file corruption), or 
 are you saying that because the LAN is causing Frame to 
 crash when I use the Open All Files command, I should 
 open each file manually?
 
All I was saying is that if you can't get Open All files to work
in your particular environment, it is still worth the effort to
manually (or via a script) open all the files in your book before
doing a book update operation. I was merely addressing your 
original complaint of exceedingly slow book updates.
 
I have no intention of trying to diagnose or troubleshoot at 
long distance whatever issues are preventing you from 
successfully using Open All Files in Book with book files on 
your network. All I'll say is that if you are able to manually 
open each component with no warning messages (e.g. missing
fonts or unresolved cross-references), it does suggest that
the issue is with your network or your interface to that network.
-Fred Ridder
 
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Modification Date Variable

2009-02-05 Thread Joseph

Hi all,

In one of the books I am working on, I need to insert a date into each frame
file when the text is modified. For example, if I add a paragraph to Frame
File 1.fm, then I need to insert 4/05/09. Since this book consists of
several hundred frame files, more then one person uses this book, and people
will forget to update the date manually, I would like to automate this
process.

At first, I thought the Modification Date variable would address this
problem. It only updates the date when you make a change to the frame file
and save. However, I realized that when you perform a book update, the date
is changed regardless of whether any change occurred in that particular
frame file (eg creating a TOC or updating a text inset).

Is there a way to set up a variable so it only updates the date when the
user makes an actual change to an individual frame file, while ignoring
book-level updates?

-- 
Sincerely,

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RE[~]: Utilities for FrameMaker ligatures

I would strongly endorse Michael's observation vis-à-vis hacking
around with fonts and the side effects in the resultant PDF files
in terms of ability to readily search such files for text and/or
apply text touch-up.

Furthermore, you should be aware that many font licenses explicitly
prohibit such manipulations without permission of the font foundry
itself.

And of course any such font conversions from TrueType to Type 1, for
example, are LOSSY in terms of possible subtle changes in the glyph
outlines while converting from quadratic to Bezier curves and modifying
font metrics during the conversion.

If you are really that concerned about fine typography, you would
be better off considering InDesign at this time.

Finally, a technicality. TrueType fonts are every bit as much
PostScript fonts as are Type 1 fonts. All PostScript language level 3
and most PostScript language level 2 implementations NATIVELY support
TrueType fonts as Type 42 PostScript fonts. The term PostScript font
really has no real meaning anymore unless qualified as to which type
of font one is referring to.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Müller-Hillebrand [mailto:m...@cap-studio.de]
 Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:12 AM
 To: Dov Isaacs
 Subject: [Free Framers] Re: Utilities for FrameMaker ligatures
 
 
 Am 05.02.2009 um 04:17 schrieb Hedley Finger:
 
  A couple of people wrote to me directly asking where to get the two
  utilities that  respectively
 
  (a) converts TrueType and OpenType fonts to PostScript font plus
  accompanying expert fonts for old-style digits, small caps and
  ligatures; and
 
  (b) in FrameMaker, converts lining numbers to old-style digits, and
  applies true small caps, and substitutes ligature glyphs for certain
  combinations of letters, e.g. ffl (characters) -- ffl (single glyph).
 
 
 Folks,
 
 anyone thinking about using PostScript fonts for things other than
 simple ASCII/ANSI text should know, that PDFs created with those
 custom made fonts are not successfully searchable. The trick used is
 to put all special characters in character position usually occupied
 by other characters. Any full-text search will only see the character
 number behind the appearance and so will never find words with such
 special characters.
 
 If you don't care about the above, you still might want to read, what
 Adobe had to say in 2005 about Phasing out Type 1 fonts:
 
 http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2005/10/phasing_out_typ.html
 
 - Michael
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RE: Handling Large FrameMaker Books

I'm fairly fond of sub-folder structures. Do you have any general idea how deep
is too deep? I
haven't had any specific trouble, but better to use safer practices than not.

Thanks,
Lea

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Of
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To: mrbass...@gmail.com; Joseph; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books

adding to Pappy's response... i've noticed Frame doesn't like it when you
bury files within
multiple sub-folders.
(i.e. C:\Documents and Settings\me\My
Documents\2009\Projects\Newstuff\sourcefiles\dtpfiles\framemakerfiles\morestuff\maybenow\not
yet\almost
there\here we go\file.fm

try unburying...

Pappy mrbass...@gmail.com 2/4/2009 11:25 AM
I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the
size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute
book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC.
I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I
need one integrated TOC.

Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide
commands with a book this size easier?

Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide
commands?

650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000
pages.

=
Rick Henkel
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Getting a reference to an imported graphic in an anchored frame of a paragraph.

2009-02-05 Thread Berman, Marta

 
Hi. 

I need some help. I've never written an FrameScript in my life, nor looked at 
the help until an hour ago, so have mercy if this is a simple question.

I need to apply the PgfLIndent of any paragraph that contains an AFrame to the 
imported graphic inside the frame.  I understand from the MIF file that the 
Para holds a pointer to the Aframe, but not the reverse. It seems that the 
Aframe has the information I have to change in a structure referred to in the 
MIF as ImportObject. 

If I understand correctly, the program flow would be to Loop ForEach(Pgf) 
In(ActiveDoc), save the PgfLIndent of the Pgf, get the AFrame (if any) in the 
paragraph, get the ImportObject of the AFrame and set the left indent.

My problem is that I can't identify the connections I see in the MIF file in 
the FrameScript Command and Object Reference. I don't see where the Pgf points 
to a contained frame. Given the AFrame, it looks like FirstGraphicInFrame will 
return the imported graphic. However, the  FirstGraphicInFrame returns 
Object. What type object is it, and what property corresponds to the left 
insert?

Of course, it could be that I'm on the wrong track, and that the MIF doesn't 
represent the same object model that the API does. Perhaps I can loop through 
the graphics from FirstGraphicInDoc on down and get the attributes of the 
containing paragraph, but I don't see anything in the reference that hints at 
that.

Please throw life saver or flotation device of any type.

I'm pasting some relevant sections of the MIF, in case my description was 
muddled.

In this example, the anchor is in a paragraph tagged Indent, defined in the MIF:
Pgf
  PgfTag `Indent'...
  PgfLIndent  29.0 mm ...

Therefore, I'd want to change the left placement of the graphic to 29. 
From:
BRect  25.0 mm 4.0 mm 120.65022 mm 123.37138 mm
To:
BRect  29.0 mm 4.0 mm 120.65022 mm 123.37138 mm

The paragraph that contains the imported GIF looks like this:
Para
  Unique 45371
  PgfTag `Indent'
  PgfNumString `'
  ParaLine 
   TextRectID 53
   String `The Flight Finder page opens.'
   AFrame 10
   String ` '
   # end of ParaLine
  # end of Para

The AFrame referred to in the Para element looks like this. The data I want to 
change is in the ShapeRect and/or BRect if the ImportObject:
Frame
  ID 10
  Unique 45498
  Pen 15
  Fill 15
  PenWidth  1.0 pt
  Separation 0
  ObColor `Black'
  DashedPattern 
   DashedStyle Solid
   # end of DashedPattern
  RunaroundGap  6.0 pt
  RunaroundType None
  Angle  360.0
  ShapeRect  15.2 mm 23.52781 mm 150.0 mm 127.53365 mm
  BRect  15.2 mm 23.52781 mm 150.0 mm 127.53365 mm
  FrameType Below
  Float No
  NSOffset  0.0 mm
  BLOffset  -87.53365 mm
  AnchorAlign Left
  Cropped No
  ImportObject 
   Unique 45502
   Fill 7
   Separation 0
   ObColor `Black'
   RunaroundType Contour
   ImportObFileDI `u\u\c\graphicsc\FLightFInder.gif'
   ImportObFile `../../graphics/FLightFInder.gif'
   ImportHint `0001FRAMGIF WIN3'
   ImportObUpdater `GIF'
   ShapeRect  29.0 mm 4.0 mm 120.65022 mm 123.37138 mm
   BRect  29.0 mm 4.0 mm 120.65022 mm 123.37138 mm
   BitMapDpi 140
   FlipLR No
   # end of ImportObject
  # end of Frame
 
Grateful for any tips.
Thanks.

Marta
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RE: Getting a reference to an imported graphic in an anchored frame ofa paragraph.

Berman, Marta wrote: 
 
 I need some help. I've never written an FrameScript in my life, nor
looked
 at the help until an hour ago, so have mercy if this is a simple
question.
 
 I need to apply the PgfLIndent of any paragraph that contains an
AFrame to
 the imported graphic inside the frame.  I understand from the MIF file
that
 the Para holds a pointer to the Aframe, but not the reverse. It seems
that
 the Aframe has the information I have to change in a structure
referred to
 in the MIF as ImportObject.

I don't know much about MIF, but I noticed that the AFrame properties
you listed included this: 

   FrameType Below

I believe that means the anchored frame's Anchoring Position is Below
Current Line (in the Anchored Frame dialog). If that's true, you can't
set an indent for it, you can only set Alignment to Left, Right, Center,
Side Closer to Binding, or Side Farther from Binding. 

I believe the first two numbers in the BRect specification you cite are
its X and Y offsets _inside_ the anchored frame, i.e., how far from the
left and top edge of the anchored frame it is. 

One way to get the indent you want is to change the anchored frame's
Anchoring Position to At Insertion Point (make sure the anchor pgf's
Line Spacing is not Fixed; and of course, the pgf must be empty), and
then align the imported graphic to the left edge of the anchored frame. 

Another approach is leave the Anchoring Position as is, set Alignment to
Right, size the anchored frame to the column width minus the indent
needed, and align the imported graphic to the left edge of the anchored
frame. This is what I do (but manually, when inserting the graphics). 

I'm afraid that figuring out how to script either solution is way beyond
my very modest (and mired in v2.x) FrameScript skills. For help with
that (and maybe a relevant example script you can use to get started),
check out the Yahoo! FrameScript Users group: 

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/framescript-users/ 

IIRC, back when I tried to do some graphics manipulation by script, I
had trouble with some anchored frames that contained multiple graphics.
I couldn't programmatically determine which graphic to align to the left
edge of the frame and what adjustments to make to the other(s). If all
the anchored frames contain only a single imported graphic, that
simplifies the task. 

HTH!
Richard


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Review of FrameMaker 9

2009-02-05 Thread Sheila Loring

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Re: Clarification on Handling Large Book Files

2009-02-05 Thread Brian Lamborn


Joseph, 

The problem may be your network, not a Frame issue at all. I have noticed at my 
location that if I am working with files on a network drive that the 
performance is way slower. For this reason, I work on a book on my local drive. 
At the end of the day I copy the folder with the book to the network directory 
as a backup. I always clear out (delete) the previous day's backup before 
copying to the network directory. I haven't had any performance issues doing it 
this way. 

The side benefit of doing this is when the network goes down (which it only 
does when it is very inconvenient for you), you still have your files and can 
continue working. 


Thanks, 

Brian 


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Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 10:35:43 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
Subject: Clarification on Handling Large Book Files 

Apparently, my imprecise language for describing my problem with 650-page is 
causing some confusion. Here's a clarification. 

I am talking about one Frame book that contains multiple frame files. 

This book contains 650-pages, which I convert into one PDF. 

This Frame book is on a network. 

There are no OLEs, only graphics. These graphics are imported by reference. 

Here are my system specs: 
Windows XP Professional 
Intel Core Duo CPU 
2 gigs of RAM 


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inter-file cross-reference issue

2009-02-05 Thread Samantha Ascheri


I am using FM 8. I have several small (topic) files that I am importing by 
reference into a larger (chapter) file. 
 
Some of these files contain cross-references that function as expected in the 
source file, but not in the file into which they are imported. The 
cross-reference links are not broken (they do not show up on a broken links 
search). The text appears, but the linking functionality is gone. Since I have 
the text set up to appear as links, this is an issue.
 
Am I missing something, or does FM simply not support inter-file 
cross-reference linking? If not, can anyone suggest a workaround?
 
Any help would be very appreciated. 
 
Thank you!
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Frame reference book

2009-02-05 Thread Raymond, Michael

I am fairly new to Frame. I'm looking for a good book that will help me
sharpen my Frame skills and also be a good reference guide. I have Frame
7.1. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

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Frame 7 and PDF

2009-02-05 Thread Susan Curtzwiler

Hi all,
  I've seen numerous emails concerning FMKR 8 and 9.  Please don't laugh, the 
company provided FMKR 7.
 
I am having trouble with creating a simple PDF file.  I have uninstalled FMKR 7 
and Acrobat Distiller instance 5.0 and reinstalled both files today (Wednesday, 
2/4/09. ) Rebooted from the restart.   This did not fix the problem. 
 
I used the Save As and selected PDF, got the normal setup windows, clicked on 
Set. 
Then, I get a message saying that 
FrameMaker could not find Acrobat Distiller printer instance, which must be 
installed to execute Save as PDF command.
 
I have had IT look this over, and it appears that FMKR 7 and Acrobat Distiller 
instance 5.0 are correctly installed. 
 
Any help will be much appreciated. 
 
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RE: sort order in an index

2009-02-05 Thread Kristen Abbott

Hi all,

I have a document with bug numbers entered as index entries. (I could
use a custom marker type, but the same question applies...)

Can I change the sort order of an index to list the page number of the
index (or custom marker) entry FIRST, instead of the actual entry text?

I have tried various things on the Reference page for the IOM file to no
avail. Namely, I've tried inserting the $pagenum system variable in
different places in the *ActiveIOM field, the *SortOrderIOM field, and
the Level1IOM field. Nothing has made the tiniest difference.

TIA,
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RE[~]: Utilities for FrameMaker ligatures

I would strongly endorse Michael's observation vis-à-vis hacking
around with fonts and the side effects in the resultant PDF files
in terms of ability to readily search such files for text and/or
apply text touch-up.

Furthermore, you should be aware that many font licenses explicitly
prohibit such manipulations without permission of the font foundry
itself.

And of course any such font conversions from TrueType to Type 1, for
example, are LOSSY in terms of possible subtle changes in the glyph
outlines while converting from quadratic to Bezier curves and modifying
font metrics during the conversion.

If you are really that concerned about fine typography, you would
be better off considering InDesign at this time.

Finally, a technicality. TrueType fonts are every bit as much
PostScript fonts as are Type 1 fonts. All PostScript language level 3
and most PostScript language level 2 implementations NATIVELY support
TrueType fonts as Type 42 PostScript fonts. The term PostScript font
really has no real meaning anymore unless qualified as to which type
of font one is referring to.

- Dov

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 From: Michael Müller-Hillebrand [mailto:m...@cap-studio.de]
 Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:12 AM
 To: Dov Isaacs
 Subject: [Free Framers] Re: Utilities for FrameMaker ligatures
 
 
 Am 05.02.2009 um 04:17 schrieb Hedley Finger:
 
  A couple of people wrote to me directly asking where to get the two
  utilities that  respectively
 
  (a) converts TrueType and OpenType fonts to PostScript font plus
  accompanying expert fonts for old-style digits, small caps and
  ligatures; and
 
  (b) in FrameMaker, converts lining numbers to old-style digits, and
  applies true small caps, and substitutes ligature glyphs for certain
  combinations of letters, e.g. ffl (characters) -- ffl (single glyph).
 
 
 Folks,
 
 anyone thinking about using PostScript fonts for things other than
 simple ASCII/ANSI text should know, that PDFs created with those
 custom made fonts are not successfully searchable. The trick used is
 to put all special characters in character position usually occupied
 by other characters. Any full-text search will only see the character
 number behind the appearance and so will never find words with such
 special characters.
 
 If you don't care about the above, you still might want to read, what
 Adobe had to say in 2005 about Phasing out Type 1 fonts:
 
 http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2005/10/phasing_out_typ.html
 
 - Michael
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RE: Frame reference book

Hi Mike,

For me, hands down, the best was Classroom in a Book, Framemaker 7.0. It took 
me about two weeks to
go through all the unstructured lessons, and it was worth its price in gold. I 
highly recommend it.

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 I am fairly new to Frame. I'm looking for a good book that will help me
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RE: inter-file cross-reference issue

Samantha Ascheri wrote:
 
 I am using FM 8. I have several small (topic) files that I am
importing by
 reference into a larger (chapter) file.
 
 Some of these files contain cross-references that function as expected
in
 the source file, but not in the file into which they are imported. The
 cross-reference links are not broken (they do not show up on a broken
links
 search). The text appears, but the linking functionality is gone.
Since I
 have the text set up to appear as links, this is an issue.
 
 Am I missing something, or does FM simply not support inter-file
cross-
 reference linking? If not, can anyone suggest a workaround?

Is your problem that they don't work in the PDF you create? That's a
known limitation -- x-refs within text insets don't become hyperlinks in
PDF. The workaround is this: (1) Open and save all the files in the
book. (2) Convert all the text insets to text. (3) Create the PDF. (4)
Close all the files *without saving*. Step 4 is extremely important.
Make sure you have current backups in case you forget step 4. :-)

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Frame 7 and PDF

Susan Curtzwiler wrote: 
 
 I am having trouble with creating a simple PDF file.  I have
uninstalled
 
 I used the Save As and selected PDF, got the normal setup windows,
clicked
 on Set.
 Then, I get a message saying that
 FrameMaker could not find Acrobat Distiller printer instance, which
must
 be installed to execute Save as PDF command.

IIRC, this is probably caused by not having a printer port named FILE:
(all caps and with colon).

HTH!
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RE: sort order in an index

Kristen Abbott wrote: 
 
 I have a document with bug numbers entered as index entries. (I could
 use a custom marker type, but the same question applies...)
 
 Can I change the sort order of an index to list the page number of the
 index (or custom marker) entry FIRST, instead of the actual entry
text?
 
 I have tried various things on the Reference page for the IOM file to
no
 avail. Namely, I've tried inserting the $pagenum system variable in
 different places in the *ActiveIOM field, the *SortOrderIOM field, and
 the Level1IOM field. Nothing has made the tiniest difference.

If it's in page number order, it isn't an index, it's a list. :-)

Use a custom marker type. Then, instead of creating an IOM (index of
markers), create an LOM (list of markers). 

When you first create it, the page numbers will be on the right. In the
ref page LOM spec, change the relevant pgfs so that $pagenum is at the
beginning. 

Sorry I can't be more specific -- I don't have FM running right now, and
it's been a while since I made an LOM. 

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RE: Frame reference book

2009-02-05 Thread Syed.Hosain

 I am fairly new to Frame. I'm looking for a good book that will help
me sharpen my Frame skills and also be a good reference guide. I have
Frame 7.1. Any suggestions?

I recommend Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 8, by
Sarah S. O'Keefe and Sheila A. Loring.

You can get the printed book and the PDF, from www.scriptorium.com. This
is an excellent book, even if you are using FrameMaker 7 and not version
8. Their previous book on 7 called Publishing Fundamentals: FrameMaker
7 is available too, but might as well get this new one instead, IMHO.

My only strong disappoint is that they decided not to publish the
planned (and announced) companion book on Structured FrameMaker! I hope
this decision gets reversed in the future.

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Re: Frame reference book

2009-02-05 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith

On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:47:43 -0600, Raymond, Michael 
mike.raym...@ingenix.com wrote:

I am fairly new to Frame. I'm looking for a good book that will help me
sharpen my Frame skills and also be a good reference guide. I have Frame
7.1. Any suggestions?

Yes.  Get O'Keefe and Loring, FrameMaker 7: The Complete Reference,
ISBN 0-07-222361-8, published by Osborne/McGraw Hill, which has now
been republished as Publishing Fundamentals: FrameMaker 7, ISBN 
0970473338, at:
  http://www.scriptorium.com/books/fm7/index.html

They also have an excellent book on Frame 8, Publishing Fundamentals: 
Unstructured FrameMaker 8, ISBN 9780970473349, at:
  http://www.scriptorium.com/books/fm8/unstrfm8.html

In addition, they offer their workbooks for free on a wiki:
  http://wiki.scriptorium.com/tiki-index.php

HTH!

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Follow up on Handling Large Books in FrameMaker

2009-02-05 Thread Alan Litchfield

As suggested by others in the other thread, 650 pages is not that  
large and LANs do not limit their capacity by the number of pages in  
book but by the volume of packets that are flowing at any particular  
time. But as it is, it is very unlikely that FM would time out unless  
there are other problems with your book and in this case that is what  
appears to be the case.

Causes for a crash when opening the files in a book are limited. I  
would suggest you check the graphics. Are there OLE linked/embedded  
graphics? What graphics formats are you using? How many graphics are  
there per file (as related to the RAM on your computer)? Are the  
graphics all linked or embedded, or both? Are there links to other  
kinds of objects, e.g. Visio files, Word files, Excel files,...?

At which file does FM crash? Does it do this consistently? Does FM  
crash if you try opening this file on its own? Does FM crash if all  
the files are opened directly, as opposed to opening them with the  
book file?

Alan

On 5/02/2009, at 6:20 AM, Joseph wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As suggested by several of you, I tried opening all the files at  
> once. This
> caused FrameMaker to have a seizure, freeze, and crashed. Then, I  
> tried
> copying the frame files and book to my desktop and it worked fine.   
> I had
> always known that working locally with framemaker means everything  
> processes
> faster, but I didn't realize it made that much difference.  I work  
> on 300 to
> 400 page books on this network, and FrameMaker handles those books  
> fine. I
> suppose its possible that 600 page books are the limit for the  
> particular
> network that I am on.
>
> Unfortunately, due to work requirements, its no possible to work on  
> local
> copies and then copy them up at the end of the day. I did this at  
> another
> place I worked at because that company's network was so slow that you
> couldn't do anything with FrameMaker on the network, and it worked  
> great.
>

--
Alan Litchfield MBus(Hons), MNZCS
AlphaByte
PO Box 1941, Auckland, NZ. 1140
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz

Utilities for FrameMaker ligatures

2009-02-05 Thread Hedley Finger


A couple of people wrote to me directly asking where to get the two 
utilities that  respectively

(a) converts TrueType and OpenType fonts to PostScript font plus 
accompanying expert fonts for old-style digits, small caps and 
ligatures; and

(b) in FrameMaker, converts lining numbers to old-style digits, and 
applies true small caps, and substitutes ligature glyphs for certain 
combinations of letters, e.g. ffl (characters) --> ffl (single glyph).

Go to http://toolbox.rutgers.edu/%7Ehedrick/typography/>>.

Have fun,
Hedley

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Fm 8 - Track Changes - problems!

2009-02-05 Thread Reng, Winfried

Hi,

If an anchor or a mark, which is adjacent to text with a track
changes condition, is hidden, I assume the following:
o You wanted to delete the text.
o In order to delete the text, you either double-clicked the
  word or you selected it with CTRL+SHIFT+Right arrow.
  With both methods the anchor or mark gets selected as well.
o Then you deleted the text with the anchor/mark.
o The text and the anchor/mark get the condition "FM8_TRACK_CHANGES_DELETED".
  You see this in the status bar.
o When you hide the condition (via "Preview Final"), this
  text and the anchor/mark are hidden.

What I'd do:
o Either make sure that you do not delete anchors or marks.
o Or, if the anchor/mark has the condition "FM8_TRACK_CHANGES_DELETED",
  select it, and then click on "Accept Edit". That removes this
  condition.

In any case, deleting text does not apply the condition
"FM8_TRACK_CHANGES_DELETED" to adjacent anchors or marks,
if they weren't selected.

The Track Changes conditions cannot be applied or shown/hidden
via the conditional text dialogs.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stephen O'Brien
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:53 PM
> To: framers at frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
> Subject: Fm 8 - Track Changes - problems!
> 
> The Track Changes feature uses, I assume, 
> conditional formats to color text and manage changes (refuse, accept).
> 
> Problem: This feature seems to result in an 
> unknown (un-named) conditional format affecting 
> neighboring anchor symbols. So when I specify 
> that only conditional format CF1 be shown, the 
> polluted anchored frames that are supposed to 
> have NO conditional format do not show, giving 
> unresolved x-refs (see Fig. 3.1 but no anchored frame!!).
> 
> I have found such situations in my current 
> documents. Now if I try and use the normal dialog 
> box to unconditionalize a selection of text 
> containing the anchored frame symbol...nothing happens.
> 
> Solution: I have to (1) move the anchored frame 
> symbol elsewhere to a paragraph without any track 
> changes, and (2) delete the still conditionalized 
> text manually and re-enter that text and recreate any affected x-refs.
> 
> Took time to find/understand (?)/solve! And I 
> don't have all that much hair left (will soon move to fingernails)!!
> 
> Any one else have this problem? Any better solutions or tips?
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> P.S. I have the latest FM patch. XP with latest patch.
> 
> 
> Stephen O'Brien
> R?dacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer
> InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
> 2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
> Qu?bec (Qu?bec) Canada G1N 4N6
> 
> Tel.: (418) 688-2061
> Fax: (418) 688-3001
> E-mail: sobrien at innovmetric.com
> www.innovmetric.com
> PolyWorks, the Universal 3D Metrology Software Platform for 
> Manufacturing (TM)

OLE objects don't work anymore

Hi Frameusers

I'm using FrameMaker 7.2 p158, Windows XP SP3 and Excel 2003 and 2007. I
copy a couple of cells from an Excel sheet and past them as OLE objects in
some of my FM documents. I do it this way for this type of documents because
the tables contain formulas. I only have one or two of these objects in my
FM docs, so file size isn't the issue here. This has always worked pretty
well until some time ago. I now see the following behavior: when I paste the
copied cells in my FM document as OLE object (Edit > Paste Special > Paste
Link), I just get to see a very small empty anchored frame of 4 x 4 mm.

When I paste the copied cells in FM8 and FM9, everything is okay.

Has anyone had this experience with FM 7.2 too? Any ideas why these OLE
objects stopped working at some point?

Thanks in advance



-- 
Yves

OLE objects don't work anymore

Yves,

If you do a Google search, you'll see that for most people they
stopped working when SP3 shipped. There have been at least a dozen
threads about it on this list and more on the other Frame lists.

SP3 plugged a security hole in XP's OLE implementation, so while
rolling the fix back is possible, it certainly isn't recommended,
especially if you're in any kind of business environment. FM 8 users
have reported the problem too, but in 9, I believe Adobe re-engineered
the program's support method because they were aware of the problem.
Initial testing and reports, such as yours, seem to indicate that it
works. But I'd be surprised if anything fixes 7.x objects because it
isn't supported code either on the FM or operating system side.

Art

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Yves Barbion  wrote:
> Hi Frameusers
>
> I'm using FrameMaker 7.2 p158, Windows XP SP3 and Excel 2003 and 2007. I
> copy a couple of cells from an Excel sheet and past them as OLE objects in
> some of my FM documents. I do it this way for this type of documents because
> the tables contain formulas. I only have one or two of these objects in my
> FM docs, so file size isn't the issue here. This has always worked pretty
> well until some time ago. I now see the following behavior: when I paste the
> copied cells in my FM document as OLE object (Edit > Paste Special > Paste
> Link), I just get to see a very small empty anchored frame of 4 x 4 mm.
>
> When I paste the copied cells in FM8 and FM9, everything is okay.
>
> Has anyone had this experience with FM 7.2 too? Any ideas why these OLE
> objects stopped working at some point?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
> --
> Yves
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OLE objects don't work anymore

Hi Art

Thanks! And indeed, I should have googled or checked the FrameUsers archives
first, sorry about that.

Cheers

Yves

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:

> Yves,
>
> If you do a Google search, you'll see that for most people they
> stopped working when SP3 shipped. There have been at least a dozen
> threads about it on this list and more on the other Frame lists.
>
> SP3 plugged a security hole in XP's OLE implementation, so while
> rolling the fix back is possible, it certainly isn't recommended,
> especially if you're in any kind of business environment. FM 8 users
> have reported the problem too, but in 9, I believe Adobe re-engineered
> the program's support method because they were aware of the problem.
> Initial testing and reports, such as yours, seem to indicate that it
> works. But I'd be surprised if anything fixes 7.x objects because it
> isn't supported code either on the FM or operating system side.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>   art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Yves Barbion 
> wrote:
> > Hi Frameusers
> >
> > I'm using FrameMaker 7.2 p158, Windows XP SP3 and Excel 2003 and 2007. I
> > copy a couple of cells from an Excel sheet and past them as OLE objects
> in
> > some of my FM documents. I do it this way for this type of documents
> because
> > the tables contain formulas. I only have one or two of these objects in
> my
> > FM docs, so file size isn't the issue here. This has always worked pretty
> > well until some time ago. I now see the following behavior: when I paste
> the
> > copied cells in my FM document as OLE object (Edit > Paste Special >
> Paste
> > Link), I just get to see a very small empty anchored frame of 4 x 4 mm.
> >
> > When I paste the copied cells in FM8 and FM9, everything is okay.
> >
> > Has anyone had this experience with FM 7.2 too? Any ideas why these OLE
> > objects stopped working at some point?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Yves
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OT: markups

Hi Framers:

I have an OT questions -- when you mark up someone's document, or when
they mark up your document, how do you determine between "must change"
markups and "strongly recommend" markups?

Thanks,

Deirdre

OT: markups

If I'm using hard copy, two different colors -- red and black ink, for instance.
Electronically in an Acrobat review, by setting different comment
properties/flags/levels.

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Deirdre Reagan
 wrote:
> Hi Framers:
>
> I have an OT questions -- when you mark up someone's document, or when
> they mark up your document, how do you determine between "must change"
> markups and "strongly recommend" markups?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deirdre
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OT: markups

2009-02-05 Thread Scott White

Aha. The dreaded "Happy to Glad" question. I think this should read  
"happy." No, I think this should read "glad."
In my world now, building industrial catalogs, we use red only and  
that is for MUST changes that if not made will cause the end of man  
kind as we know it or maybe kill someone. In our business there is no  
such thing as "strongly recommend", "it would be nice" or, as we used  
to call it in the newspaper business, "happy to glad." If we allowed  
this we would have every pulitzer wannabe putting his or her spin on a  
3/4" open end wrench or 5-gallon safety can.

Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com

On Feb 5, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

> Hi Framers:
>
> I have an OT questions -- when you mark up someone's document, or when
> they mark up your document, how do you determine between "must change"
> markups and "strongly recommend" markups?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deirdre
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OT: markups

LOL -- the "Happy to Glad" rule!  Never heard of it.  That's very funny.

Thanks so much for the comments so far.  A lot of my comments are of
the "must change" variety, but a lot of my comments are "it could be
this way if you mean this, and it could be this way if you mean that"
and the author realizes, "oh! not clear," and rewrites in a third,
clear way.

This is probably a small issue, but I just wanted to check with you
experts to see how the world at large handles it, before I start
laying down the law here in my corner of the universe.

As usual, you people are funny and full of wisdom.  I love this list.

Deirdre

On 2/5/09, Scott White  wrote:
> Aha. The dreaded "Happy to Glad" question. I think this should read "happy."
> No, I think this should read "glad."
> In my world now, building industrial catalogs, we use red only and that is
> for MUST changes that if not made will cause the end of man kind as we know
> it or maybe kill someone. In our business there is no such thing as
> "strongly recommend", "it would be nice" or, as we used to call it in the
> newspaper business, "happy to glad." If we allowed this we would have every
> pulitzer wannabe putting his or her spin on a 3/4" open end wrench or
> 5-gallon safety can.
>
>
> Scott White
> Media Production Manager
> Implementation Coordinator
> 210-704-8239
> swhite at alamark.com
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Framers:
> >
> > I have an OT questions -- when you mark up someone's document, or when
> > they mark up your document, how do you determine between "must change"
> > markups and "strongly recommend" markups?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Deirdre
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markups

2009-02-05 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net

> I have an OT questions -- when you mark up someone's document, or when
> they mark up your document, how do you determine between "must change"
> markups and "strongly recommend" markups?

We require the reviewers to be clear in what they want! :)

Separate, but related, all our technical documentation and specs contain
the following paragraph near the beginning:

Key Words

The key words "must", "must not", "required", "shall", "shall
not", "should", "should not", "recommended", "may", and "optional" in
this document are to be interpreted as described in 'Aeris Key Words to
Indicate Requirement Levels'.

And the "Aeris..." document above - as well as these words used in the
specs - is heavily based on RFC 2119 (available here:
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt?number=2119). I.e., we follow the
RFC guidelines cleanly.

Then, people doing the document reviews internally here - before release
- have learned to mark their comments accordingly. The use of the word
"must" and "should" are particularly important - people often use
"should" when they mean "must"!

Marketing docs and collateral do not contain the words mentioned above,
of course, but our reviewers know to mark them the same way. :)

Z

Follow up on Handling Large Books in FrameMaker

2009-02-05 Thread Fred Ridder


Joe wrote:


> I wanted to clarify one aspect of this discussion. 
> Is the Open All Files in Book command causing FrameMaker 
> to freeze and crash an unrelated issue with the LAN and 
> indicative of some other problem (e.g. file corruption), or 
> are you saying that because the LAN is causing Frame to 
> crash when I use the Open All Files command, I should 
> open each file manually?

All I was saying is that if you can't get Open All files to work
in your particular environment, it is still worth the effort to
manually (or via a script) open all the files in your book before
doing a book update operation. I was merely addressing your 
original complaint of exceedingly slow book updates.

I have no intention of trying to diagnose or troubleshoot at 
long distance whatever issues are preventing you from 
successfully using Open All Files in Book with book files on 
your network. All I'll say is that if you are able to manually 
open each component with no warning messages (e.g. missing
fonts or unresolved cross-references), it does suggest that
the issue is with your network or your interface to that network.
-Fred Ridder

Modification Date Variable

2009-02-05 Thread Joseph

Hi all,

In one of the books I am working on, I need to insert a date into each frame
file when the text is modified. For example, if I add a paragraph to Frame
File 1.fm, then I need to insert 4/05/09. Since this book consists of
several hundred frame files, more then one person uses this book, and people
will forget to update the date manually, I would like to automate this
process.

At first, I thought the Modification Date variable would address this
problem. It only updates the date when you make a change to the frame file
and save. However, I realized that when you perform a book update, the date
is changed regardless of whether any change occurred in that particular
frame file (eg creating a TOC or updating a text inset).

Is there a way to set up a variable so it only updates the date when the
user makes an actual change to an individual frame file, while ignoring
book-level updates?

-- 
Sincerely,

Joseph Lorenzini

RE[~]: Utilities for FrameMaker ligatures

I would strongly endorse Michael's observation vis-?-vis hacking
around with fonts and the side effects in the resultant PDF files
in terms of ability to readily search such files for text and/or
apply text touch-up.

Furthermore, you should be aware that many font licenses explicitly
prohibit such manipulations without permission of the font foundry
itself.

And of course any such font conversions from TrueType to Type 1, for
example, are LOSSY in terms of possible subtle changes in the glyph
outlines while converting from quadratic to Bezier curves and modifying
font metrics during the conversion.

If you are really that concerned about fine typography, you would
be better off considering InDesign at this time.

Finally, a technicality. TrueType fonts are every bit as much
"PostScript fonts" as are Type 1 fonts. All PostScript language level 3
and most PostScript language level 2 implementations NATIVELY support
TrueType fonts as Type 42 PostScript fonts. The term "PostScript font"
really has no real meaning anymore unless qualified as to which type
of font one is referring to.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael M?ller-Hillebrand [mailto:mmh at cap-studio.de]
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:12 AM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Subject: [Free Framers] Re: Utilities for FrameMaker ligatures
> 
> 
> Am 05.02.2009 um 04:17 schrieb Hedley Finger:
> 
> > A couple of people wrote to me directly asking where to get the two
> > utilities that  respectively
> >
> > (a) converts TrueType and OpenType fonts to PostScript font plus
> > accompanying expert fonts for old-style digits, small caps and
> > ligatures; and
> >
> > (b) in FrameMaker, converts lining numbers to old-style digits, and
> > applies true small caps, and substitutes ligature glyphs for certain
> > combinations of letters, e.g. ffl (characters) --> ffl (single glyph).
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> anyone thinking about using PostScript fonts for things other than
> simple ASCII/ANSI text should know, that PDFs created with those
> custom made fonts are not successfully searchable. The trick used is
> to put all special characters in character position usually occupied
> by other characters. Any full-text search will only see the character
> number behind the appearance and so will never find words with such
> special characters.
> 
> If you don't care about the above, you still might want to read, what
> Adobe had to say in 2005 about "Phasing out Type 1 fonts":
> 
> http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2005/10/phasing_out_typ.html
> 
> - Michael

Handling Large FrameMaker Books

I'm fairly fond of sub-folder structures. Do you have any general idea how deep 
is too deep? I
haven't had any specific trouble, but better to use safer practices than not.

Thanks,
Lea

_

Lea Rush
Software and Documentation Specialist
Astoria-Pacific International
PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015
PH: 800-657-3010
FAX:  503-655-7367
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of
> bryan johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:32 AM
> To: mrbassman at gmail.com; Joseph; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books
> 
> adding to Pappy's response... i've noticed Frame doesn't like it when you 
> bury files within
multiple sub-folders.
> (i.e. C:\Documents and Settings\me\My
> Documents\2009\Projects\Newstuff\sourcefiles\dtpfiles\framemakerfiles\morestuff\maybenow\not
yet\almost
> there\here we go\file.fm
> 
> try unburying...
> 
> >>> "Pappy"  2/4/2009 11:25 AM >>>
> >I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the
> >size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute
> >book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC.
> >I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I
> >need one integrated TOC.
> >
> >Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide
> >commands with a book this size easier?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide 
> commands?
> 
> 650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 
> pages.
> 
> =
> Rick Henkel
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Getting a reference to an imported graphic in an anchored frame of a paragraph.

2009-02-05 Thread Berman, Marta


Hi. 

I need some help. I've never written an FrameScript in my life, nor looked at 
the help until an hour ago, so have mercy if this is a simple question.

I need to apply the PgfLIndent of any paragraph that contains an AFrame to the 
imported graphic inside the frame.  I understand from the MIF file that the 
Para holds a pointer to the Aframe, but not the reverse. It seems that the 
Aframe has the information I have to change in a structure referred to in the 
MIF as ImportObject. 

If I understand correctly, the program flow would be to Loop ForEach(Pgf) 
In(ActiveDoc), save the PgfLIndent of the Pgf, get the AFrame (if any) in the 
paragraph, get the ImportObject of the AFrame and set the left indent.

My problem is that I can't identify the connections I see in the MIF file in 
the FrameScript Command and Object Reference. I don't see where the Pgf points 
to a contained frame. Given the AFrame, it looks like FirstGraphicInFrame will 
return the imported graphic. However, the  FirstGraphicInFrame returns 
"Object". What type object is it, and what property corresponds to the left 
insert?

Of course, it could be that I'm on the wrong track, and that the MIF doesn't 
represent the same object model that the API does. Perhaps I can loop through 
the graphics from FirstGraphicInDoc on down and get the attributes of the 
containing paragraph, but I don't see anything in the reference that hints at 
that.

Please throw life saver or flotation device of any type.

I'm pasting some relevant sections of the MIF, in case my description was 
muddled.

In this example, the anchor is in a paragraph tagged Indent, defined in the MIF:
...
   ...

Therefore, I'd want to change the left placement of the graphic to 29. 
From:

To:


The paragraph that contains the imported GIF looks like this:

  
  
  
   
   
   
  > # end of ParaLine
 > # end of Para

The AFrame referred to in the Para element looks like this. The data I want to 
change is in the ShapeRect and/or BRect if the ImportObject:

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  > # end of DashedPattern
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   
   
   
   
   graphicsFLightFInder.gif'>
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  > # end of ImportObject
 > # end of Frame

Grateful for any tips.
Thanks.

Marta

Getting a reference to an imported graphic in an anchored frame ofa paragraph.

Berman, Marta wrote: 

> I need some help. I've never written an FrameScript in my life, nor
looked
> at the help until an hour ago, so have mercy if this is a simple
question.
> 
> I need to apply the PgfLIndent of any paragraph that contains an
AFrame to
> the imported graphic inside the frame.  I understand from the MIF file
that
> the Para holds a pointer to the Aframe, but not the reverse. It seems
that
> the Aframe has the information I have to change in a structure
referred to
> in the MIF as ImportObject.

I don't know much about MIF, but I noticed that the AFrame properties
you listed included this: 

>   

I believe that means the anchored frame's Anchoring Position is Below
Current Line (in the Anchored Frame dialog). If that's true, you can't
set an indent for it, you can only set Alignment to Left, Right, Center,
Side Closer to Binding, or Side Farther from Binding. 

I believe the first two numbers in the BRect specification you cite are
its X and Y offsets _inside_ the anchored frame, i.e., how far from the
left and top edge of the anchored frame it is. 

One way to get the indent you want is to change the anchored frame's
Anchoring Position to At Insertion Point (make sure the anchor pgf's
Line Spacing is not Fixed; and of course, the pgf must be empty), and
then align the imported graphic to the left edge of the anchored frame. 

Another approach is leave the Anchoring Position as is, set Alignment to
Right, size the anchored frame to the column width minus the indent
needed, and align the imported graphic to the left edge of the anchored
frame. This is what I do (but manually, when inserting the graphics). 

I'm afraid that figuring out how to script either solution is way beyond
my very modest (and mired in v2.x) FrameScript skills. For help with
that (and maybe a relevant example script you can use to get started),
check out the Yahoo! FrameScript Users group: 

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/framescript-users/ 

IIRC, back when I tried to do some graphics manipulation by script, I
had trouble with some anchored frames that contained multiple graphics.
I couldn't programmatically determine which graphic to align to the left
edge of the frame and what adjustments to make to the other(s). If all
the anchored frames contain only a single imported graphic, that
simplifies the task. 

HTH!
Richard

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2009-02-05 Thread Kristen Abbott

Hi all,

I have a document with bug numbers entered as index entries. (I could
use a custom marker type, but the same question applies...)

Can I change the sort order of an index to list the page number of the
index (or custom marker) entry FIRST, instead of the actual entry text?

I have tried various things on the Reference page for the IOM file to no
avail. Namely, I've tried inserting the <$pagenum> system variable in
different places in the *ActiveIOM field, the *SortOrderIOM field, and
the Level1IOM field. Nothing has made the tiniest difference.

TIA,
Kristen Abbott

RE[~]: Utilities for FrameMaker ligatures

I would strongly endorse Michael's observation vis-?-vis hacking
around with fonts and the side effects in the resultant PDF files
in terms of ability to readily search such files for text and/or
apply text touch-up.

Furthermore, you should be aware that many font licenses explicitly
prohibit such manipulations without permission of the font foundry
itself.

And of course any such font conversions from TrueType to Type 1, for
example, are LOSSY in terms of possible subtle changes in the glyph
outlines while converting from quadratic to Bezier curves and modifying
font metrics during the conversion.

If you are really that concerned about fine typography, you would
be better off considering InDesign at this time.

Finally, a technicality. TrueType fonts are every bit as much
"PostScript fonts" as are Type 1 fonts. All PostScript language level 3
and most PostScript language level 2 implementations NATIVELY support
TrueType fonts as Type 42 PostScript fonts. The term "PostScript font"
really has no real meaning anymore unless qualified as to which type
of font one is referring to.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael M?ller-Hillebrand [mailto:mmh at cap-studio.de]
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:12 AM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Subject: [Free Framers] Re: Utilities for FrameMaker ligatures
> 
> 
> Am 05.02.2009 um 04:17 schrieb Hedley Finger:
> 
> > A couple of people wrote to me directly asking where to get the two
> > utilities that  respectively
> >
> > (a) converts TrueType and OpenType fonts to PostScript font plus
> > accompanying expert fonts for old-style digits, small caps and
> > ligatures; and
> >
> > (b) in FrameMaker, converts lining numbers to old-style digits, and
> > applies true small caps, and substitutes ligature glyphs for certain
> > combinations of letters, e.g. ffl (characters) --> ffl (single glyph).
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> anyone thinking about using PostScript fonts for things other than
> simple ASCII/ANSI text should know, that PDFs created with those
> custom made fonts are not successfully searchable. The trick used is
> to put all special characters in character position usually occupied
> by other characters. Any full-text search will only see the character
> number behind the appearance and so will never find words with such
> special characters.
> 
> If you don't care about the above, you still might want to read, what
> Adobe had to say in 2005 about "Phasing out Type 1 fonts":
> 
> http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2005/10/phasing_out_typ.html
> 
> - Michael

Frame reference book

Hi Mike,

For me, hands down, the best was Classroom in a Book, Framemaker 7.0. It took 
me about two weeks to
go through all the unstructured lessons, and it was worth its price in gold. I 
highly recommend it.

Lea

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Software and Documentation Specialist
Astoria-Pacific International
PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015
PH: 800-657-3010
FAX:  503-655-7367
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> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Frame reference book
> 
> I am fairly new to Frame. I'm looking for a good book that will help me
> sharpen my Frame skills and also be a good reference guide. I have Frame
> 7.1. Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Mike
> 
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inter-file cross-reference issue

Samantha Ascheri wrote:

> I am using FM 8. I have several small (topic) files that I am
importing by
> reference into a larger (chapter) file.
> 
> Some of these files contain cross-references that function as expected
in
> the source file, but not in the file into which they are imported. The
> cross-reference links are not broken (they do not show up on a broken
links
> search). The text appears, but the linking functionality is gone.
Since I
> have the text set up to appear as links, this is an issue.
> 
> Am I missing something, or does FM simply not support inter-file
cross-
> reference linking? If not, can anyone suggest a workaround?

Is your problem that they don't work in the PDF you create? That's a
known limitation -- x-refs within text insets don't become hyperlinks in
PDF. The workaround is this: (1) Open and save all the files in the
book. (2) Convert all the text insets to text. (3) Create the PDF. (4)
Close all the files *without saving*. Step 4 is extremely important.
Make sure you have current backups in case you forget step 4. :-)

HTH!
Richard

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Frame 7 and PDF

Susan Curtzwiler wrote: 

> I am having trouble with creating a simple PDF file.  I have
uninstalled

> I used the Save As and selected PDF, got the normal setup windows,
clicked
> on Set.
> Then, I get a message saying that
> "FrameMaker could not find Acrobat Distiller printer instance, which
must
> be installed to execute Save as PDF command."

IIRC, this is probably caused by not having a printer port named "FILE:"
(all caps and with colon).

HTH!
Richard


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