Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
2012-12-10-01T12:55Z All - Please help dispel my ignorance or refresh my memory. I use FrameMaker on a PC, but I've read that some die-hard users of FrameMaker who have Mac workstations are still using it. So, as they might say in the City of New York, Not for nothin', but . . . please answer a few questions. 1. What was the last version of FrameMaker for the Mac that was released, and when was it released? 2. If FrameMaker is still running on Mac workstations, how is that done? 3. For FrameMaker still running on Mac workstations, what is the latest version and when was it released? ¡Thanks! Dave Stamm ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
At 05:57 -0700 10/12/12, dave.st...@gdc4s.com wrote: Please help dispel my ignorance or refresh my memory. I use FrameMaker on a PC, but I've read that some die-hard users of FrameMaker who have Mac workstations are still using it. So, as they might say in the City of New York, Not for nothin', but . . . please answer a few questions. 1. What was the last version of FrameMaker for the Mac that was released, and when was it released? FrameMaker 7.0p577, 2002, AFAIK 2. If FrameMaker is still running on Mac workstations, how is that done? a. Using a version of Mac OS no newer than 10.4.11, and Classic, the OS 9 emulator. b. On z newer Mac, running the Windows version under Parallels or VMWare Fusion. 3. For FrameMaker still running on Mac workstations, what is the latest version and when was it released? Isn't this the same question as 1.? -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
From: dave.st...@gdc4s.com Please help dispel my ignorance or refresh my memory. I use FrameMaker on a PC, but I've read that some die-hard users of FrameMaker who have Mac workstations are still using it. So, as they might say in the City of New York, Not for nothin', but . . . please answer a few questions. 1. What was the last version of FrameMaker for the Mac that was released, and when was it released? 2. If FrameMaker is still running on Mac workstations, how is that done? 3. For FrameMaker still running on Mac workstations, what is the latest version and when was it released? From the Wikipedia article on FrameMaker: Today, Adobe FrameMaker is still a widely-used publication tool for technical writers, although no version has been released for the Mac OS X operating system, limiting use of the product (FrameMaker up to version 7.0 ran under Mac OS 9, and is usable under Mac OS X, through version 10.4.11 Tiger, on PowerPC-based Macs in the Classic emulation environment, but there is no Mac OS X native version of FrameMaker). Note that latest versions of Mac OS X, v10.5 Leopard and newer, eliminated Classic support, even for PowerPC-based Macs. Therefore, if running Mac OS X 10.5.x, it is now impossible to run any Mac version of FrameMaker using Apple-supplied software. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
Hi Dave, Some answers: 1. The latest native FrameMaker version for Mac was 7 or 7.1. 2., 3. You run virtualization software like Parallels or Fusion on the Mac so you can install Windows and Windows programs. Then you can run the any version of FrameMaker that will run on Windows. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of dave.st...@gdc4s.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:58 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations 2012-12-10-01T12:55Z All - Please help dispel my ignorance or refresh my memory. I use FrameMaker on a PC, but I've read that some die-hard users of FrameMaker who have Mac workstations are still using it. So, as they might say in the City of New York, Not for nothin', but . . . please answer a few questions. 1. What was the last version of FrameMaker for the Mac that was released, and when was it released? 2. If FrameMaker is still running on Mac workstations, how is that done? 3. For FrameMaker still running on Mac workstations, what is the latest version and when was it released? ¡Thanks! Dave Stamm ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
Others have answered this question pretty well. Just to add anecdotal experience, I and several other FrameMaker consultants/trainers have been working almost exclusively on the Mac platform for some time, using either Parallels or VMware Fusion to run MacOS and Windows concurrently. I've been very pleased with the environment and the performance. Do I wish I could get away without running Windows? Yes. Is that likely to happen? No. Here's a rather thorough Adobe blog post on the topic. http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2012/02/post-6-how-to-run-framemaker-on-mac.html An interesting tidbit...if you check the properties of Apple's PDF-format user manuals, you will still see FrameMaker 6 and 7 with surprising frequency. -Alan --- Alan Houser Group Wellesley, Inc. Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing President, Society for Technical Communication arh on Twitter 412-450-0532 On 12/10/12 7:57 AM, dave.st...@gdc4s.com wrote: 2012-12-10-01T12:55Z All - Please help dispel my ignorance or refresh my memory. I use FrameMaker on a "PC," but I've read that some die-hard users of FrameMaker who have Mac workstations are still using it. So, as they might say in the City of New York, "Not for nothin', but..." please answer a few questions. 1. What was the last version of FrameMaker for the Mac that was released, and when was it released? 2. If FrameMaker is still running on Mac workstations, how is that done? 3. For FrameMaker still running on Mac workstations, what is the latest version and when was it released? Thanks! Dave Stamm ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
At 10:03 -0500 10/12/12, Alan Houser wrote: An interesting tidbit...if you check the properties of Apple's PDF-format user manuals, you will still see FrameMaker 6 and 7 with surprising frequency. I am still using it here, as it does all that I need. Trouble is, it's locking me into OS X 10.4, which is locking me *out* of a number of important upgrades elsewhere. My current view of the future probably has this machine continuing to run FrameMaker 7, whatever happens on a possible newer machine. I have other legacy software that requires Classic and which will never be updated, including an ancient but adequate accounting system. -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
2012-12-10-01T18:10Z Thanks to all who responded (mostly off-list, which is fine). I am now far less ignorant than I was. Regards, Dave Stamm -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: 2012-12-10-Monday 10:34 To: Alan Houser; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations At 10:03 -0500 10/12/12, Alan Houser wrote: An interesting tidbit...if you check the properties of Apple's PDF-format user manuals, you will still see FrameMaker 6 and 7 with surprising frequency. I am still using it here, as it does all that I need. Trouble is, it's locking me into OS X 10.4, which is locking me *out* of a number of important upgrades elsewhere. My current view of the future probably has this machine continuing to run FrameMaker 7, whatever happens on a possible newer machine. I have other legacy software that requires Classic and which will never be updated, including an ancient but adequate accounting system. -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dave.st...@gdc4s.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.stamm%40gdc4s.c om Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
I have a MacBook Air. I installed VMWare Fusion to make a virtual machine and created the VM with Windows 7 OS. I run TCS on the Windows VM. It's a much better, easier and more practical solution then a dual boot system or running OS9 to run Frame. -Gillian -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of dave.st...@gdc4s.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:11 AM To: srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk; a...@groupwellesley.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations 2012-12-10-01T18:10Z Thanks to all who responded (mostly off-list, which is fine). I am now far less ignorant than I was. Regards, Dave Stamm -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: 2012-12-10-Monday 10:34 To: Alan Houser; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations At 10:03 -0500 10/12/12, Alan Houser wrote: An interesting tidbit...if you check the properties of Apple's PDF-format user manuals, you will still see FrameMaker 6 and 7 with surprising frequency. I am still using it here, as it does all that I need. Trouble is, it's locking me into OS X 10.4, which is locking me *out* of a number of important upgrades elsewhere. My current view of the future probably has this machine continuing to run FrameMaker 7, whatever happens on a possible newer machine. I have other legacy software that requires Classic and which will never be updated, including an ancient but adequate accounting system. -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dave.st...@gdc4s.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.stamm%40gdc4s.c om Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as gillian.fl...@nexenta.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gillian.flato%40nexenta.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
2012-12-10-01T12:55Z All - Please help dispel my ignorance or refresh my memory. I use FrameMaker on a "PC," but I've read that some die-hard users of FrameMaker who have Mac workstations are still using it. So, as they might say in the City of New York, "Not for nothin', but?.?.?." please answer a few questions. 1. What was the last version of FrameMaker for the Mac that was released, and when was it released? 2. If FrameMaker is still running on Mac workstations, how is that done? 3. For FrameMaker still running on Mac workstations, what is the latest version and when was it released? ?Thanks! Dave Stamm
Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
At 05:57 -0700 10/12/12, wrote: >Please help dispel my ignorance or refresh my memory. I use FrameMaker on a >"PC," but I've read that some die-hard users of FrameMaker who have Mac >workstations are still using it. So, as they might say in the City of New >York, "Not for nothin', but . . ." please answer a few questions. > > 1. What was the last version of FrameMaker for the Mac that was released, > and when was it released? FrameMaker 7.0p577, 2002, AFAIK > 2. If FrameMaker is still running on Mac workstations, how is that done? a. Using a version of Mac OS no newer than 10.4.11, and Classic, the OS 9 emulator. b. On z newer Mac, running the Windows version under Parallels or VMWare Fusion. > 3. For FrameMaker still running on Mac workstations, what is the latest > version and when was it released? Isn't this the same question as 1.? -- Steve
Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
> From: Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com > > Please help dispel my ignorance or refresh my memory. I use FrameMaker on a > "PC," but I've read that some die-hard users of FrameMaker who have Mac > workstations are still using it. So, as they might say in the City of New > York, "Not for nothin', but . . ." please answer a few questions. > > 1. What was the last version of FrameMaker for the Mac that was released, > and when was it released? > > 2. If FrameMaker is still running on Mac workstations, how is that done? > > 3. For FrameMaker still running on Mac workstations, what is the latest > version and when was it released? >From the Wikipedia article on FrameMaker: Today, Adobe FrameMaker is still a widely-used publication tool for technical writers, although no version has been released for the Mac OS X operating system, limiting use of the product (FrameMaker up to version 7.0 ran under Mac OS 9, and is usable under Mac OS X, through version 10.4.11 "Tiger", on PowerPC-based Macs in the Classic emulation environment, but there is no Mac OS X native version of FrameMaker). Note that latest versions of Mac OS X, v10.5 "Leopard" and newer, eliminated Classic support, even for PowerPC-based Macs. Therefore, if running Mac OS X 10.5.x, it is now impossible to run any Mac version of FrameMaker using Apple-supplied software. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121210/4317fdab/attachment.html>
Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
Hi Dave, Some answers: 1. The latest native FrameMaker version for Mac was 7 or 7.1. 2., 3. You run virtualization software like Parallels or Fusion on the Mac so you can install Windows and Windows programs. Then you can run the any version of FrameMaker that will run on Windows. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 rick at frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:58 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations 2012-12-10-01T12:55Z All - Please help dispel my ignorance or refresh my memory. I use FrameMaker on a "PC," but I've read that some die-hard users of FrameMaker who have Mac workstations are still using it. So, as they might say in the City of New York, "Not for nothin', but?.?.?." please answer a few questions. 1. What was the last version of FrameMaker for the Mac that was released, and when was it released? 2. If FrameMaker is still running on Mac workstations, how is that done? 3. For FrameMaker still running on Mac workstations, what is the latest version and when was it released? ?Thanks! Dave Stamm
Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
Others have answered this question pretty well. Just to add anecdotal experience, I and several other FrameMaker consultants/trainers have been working almost exclusively on the Mac platform for some time, using either Parallels or VMware Fusion to run MacOS and Windows concurrently. I've been very pleased with the environment and the performance. Do I wish I could get away without running Windows? Yes. Is that likely to happen? No. Here's a rather thorough Adobe blog post on the topic. http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2012/02/post-6-how-to-run-framemaker-on-mac.html An interesting tidbit...if you check the properties of Apple's PDF-format user manuals, you will still see FrameMaker 6 and 7 with surprising frequency. -Alan --- Fellow, Society for Technical Communication <http://www.stc.org>Alan Houser Group Wellesley, Inc. Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing President, Society for Technical Communication arh on Twitter 412-450-0532 On 12/10/12 7:57 AM, Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com wrote: > 2012-12-10-01T12:55Z > > All - > > Please help dispel my ignorance or refresh my memory. I use FrameMaker on a > "PC," but I've read that some die-hard users of FrameMaker who have Mac > workstations are still using it. So, as they might say in the City of New > York, "Not for nothin', but . . ." please answer a few questions. > > 1. What was the last version of FrameMaker for the Mac that was released, > and when was it released? > >2. If FrameMaker is still running on Mac workstations, how is that done? > >3. For FrameMaker still running on Mac workstations, what is the latest > version and when was it released? > > ?Thanks! > Dave Stamm > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121210/a69af42c/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: STC-Logo-Fellow-vert.png Type: image/png Size: 26019 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121210/a69af42c/attachment.png>
Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
At 10:03 -0500 10/12/12, Alan Houser wrote: >An interesting tidbit...if you check the properties of Apple's PDF-format user >manuals, you will still see FrameMaker 6 and 7 with surprising frequency. I am still using it here, as it does all that I need. Trouble is, it's locking me into OS X 10.4, which is locking me *out* of a number of important upgrades elsewhere. My current view of the future probably has this machine continuing to run FrameMaker 7, whatever happens on a possible newer machine. I have other legacy software that requires Classic and which will never be updated, including an ancient but adequate accounting system. -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]
Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
2012-12-10-01T18:10Z Thanks to all who responded (mostly off-list, which is fine). I am now far less ignorant than I was. Regards, Dave Stamm -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: 2012-12-10-Monday 10:34 To: Alan Houser; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations At 10:03 -0500 10/12/12, Alan Houser wrote: >An interesting tidbit...if you check the properties of Apple's PDF-format user manuals, you will still see FrameMaker 6 and 7 with surprising frequency. I am still using it here, as it does all that I need. Trouble is, it's locking me into OS X 10.4, which is locking me *out* of a number of important upgrades elsewhere. My current view of the future probably has this machine continuing to run FrameMaker 7, whatever happens on a possible newer machine. I have other legacy software that requires Classic and which will never be updated, including an ancient but adequate accounting system. -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.stamm%40gdc4s.c om Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations
I have a MacBook Air. I installed VMWare Fusion to make a virtual machine and created the VM with Windows 7 OS. I run TCS on the Windows VM. It's a much better, easier and more practical solution then a dual boot system or running OS9 to run Frame. -Gillian -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of dave.st...@gdc4s.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:11 AM To: srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk; arh at groupwellesley.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations 2012-12-10-01T18:10Z Thanks to all who responded (mostly off-list, which is fine). I am now far less ignorant than I was. Regards, Dave Stamm -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: 2012-12-10-Monday 10:34 To: Alan Houser; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations At 10:03 -0500 10/12/12, Alan Houser wrote: >An interesting tidbit...if you check the properties of Apple's PDF-format user manuals, you will still see FrameMaker 6 and 7 with surprising frequency. I am still using it here, as it does all that I need. Trouble is, it's locking me into OS X 10.4, which is locking me *out* of a number of important upgrades elsewhere. My current view of the future probably has this machine continuing to run FrameMaker 7, whatever happens on a possible newer machine. I have other legacy software that requires Classic and which will never be updated, including an ancient but adequate accounting system. -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.stamm%40gdc4s.c om Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as gillian.flato at nexenta.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gillian.flato%40nexenta.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Transitioning FrameMaker from Mac to Windows: fonts
Steve I have just been through this exercise. From 7 to 10. I have installed Win7 on the bootcamp partition and am using VirtualBox to run Windows as a virtual machine. I normally I run Windows through Virtual Box, but bootcamp provides a real hard disk into which I can start up Windows if I want. Virtual Box allows me to share printers, network connections and other services, meaning I don't have to go through the pain of setting them up in Windows (doing it with a Mac is so much easier for me). I am happily running FM10 without any issues, so far. Have also tested FM10 fairly extensively in both modes (structured and unstructured) to satisfy myself it will provide untroubled service. Virtual Box is a free download. Parallels and VmWare are not. I used to run Parallels and got sick of the all too frequent upgrades that required more bucks to be paid to them. VMWare is a good, solid product, but so is Virtual BOx. Alan On 24/06/12 10:13 AM, David Creamer wrote: > I prefer Parallels, but you should check out both. > > What fonts do you currently use in Frame for Mac? You might have no choice > but to purchase a new set of fonts. > I agree--be careful with TransType Pro--a great program, but triple-check > the font license. > > Dave Creamer > IDEAS Training > http://www.ideastraining.com > > > * > Sometime later this year I'll be moving from FrameMaker 7.2 on Mac (in > Classic) to FrameMaker 10 for Windows running under emulation on a new Mac > in either Parallels or VMWare Fusion. > > Clearly this will lose FrameMaker's access to my font library in Classic, > but I am constrained to work with designs that use specific fonts, and I > don't want to have to buy them all over again. Most of my fonts are Ps Type > 1, not OpenType or TT. > > Is there anyone who has gone through this pain who can advise me? I've got > TransType, but I've never fond its results to be very reliable, and it > probably violates font license agreements anyway. Or do Parallels or Fusion > have some sort of magic for resolving this issue? > -- AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
Transitioning FrameMaker from Mac to Windows: fonts
Steve I have just been through this exercise. From 7 to 10. I have installed Win7 on the bootcamp partition and am using VirtualBox to run Windows as a virtual machine. I normally I run Windows through Virtual Box, but bootcamp provides a real hard disk into which I can start up Windows if I want. Virtual Box allows me to share printers, network connections and other services, meaning I don't have to go through the pain of setting them up in Windows (doing it with a Mac is so much easier for me). I am happily running FM10 without any issues, so far. Have also tested FM10 fairly extensively in both modes to satisfy myself it will provide untroubled service. Virtual Box is a free download. Parallels and VmWare are not. I used to run Parallels and got sick of the all too frequent upgrades that required more bucks to be paid to them. Alan On 24/06/12 10:13 AM, David Creamer wrote: > I prefer Parallels, but you should check out both. > > What fonts do you currently use in Frame for Mac? You might have no choice > but to purchase a new set of fonts. > I agree--be careful with TransType Pro--a great program, but triple-check > the font license. > > Dave Creamer > IDEAS Training > http://www.ideastraining.com > > > * > Sometime later this year I'll be moving from FrameMaker 7.2 on Mac (in > Classic) to FrameMaker 10 for Windows running under emulation on a new Mac > in either Parallels or VMWare Fusion. > > Clearly this will lose FrameMaker's access to my font library in Classic, > but I am constrained to work with designs that use specific fonts, and I > don't want to have to buy them all over again. Most of my fonts are Ps Type > 1, not OpenType or TT. > > Is there anyone who has gone through this pain who can advise me? I've got > TransType, but I've never fond its results to be very reliable, and it > probably violates font license agreements anyway. Or do Parallels or Fusion > have some sort of magic for resolving this issue? > -- AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
Transitioning FrameMaker from Mac to Windows: fonts
I just tested the fonts issue using VirtualBox. While you can easily share folders between the Mac and your Virtual Box machine, you still need to import fonts into Windows for them to be active. The Mac installed fonts may not work by importing into Windows, at least those that I tried just now didn't import. Alan On 24/06/12 4:56 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote: > Sometime later this year I'll be moving from FrameMaker 7.2 on Mac (in > Classic) to FrameMaker 10 for Windows running under emulation on a new Mac in > either Parallels or VMWare Fusion. > > Clearly this will lose FrameMaker's access to my font library in Classic, but > I am constrained to work with designs that use specific fonts, and I don't > want to have to buy them all over again. Most of my fonts are Ps Type 1, not > OpenType or TT. > > Is there anyone who has gone through this pain who can advise me? I've got > TransType, but I've never fond its results to be very reliable, and it > probably violates font license agreements anyway. Or do Parallels or Fusion > have some sort of magic for resolving this issue? >
RE: Transitioning FrameMaker from Mac to Windows: fonts
At 15:13 -0700 23/6/12, David Creamer wrote: I prefer Parallels, but you should check out both. Yes, true. I think there are some comparative reviews on line. I'd be interested in knowing the reasons for your preference, but maybe offline as it's not directly relevant to FrameMaker. I just got a hint from something I read online that one or other of these applications had the ability to make Mac fonts available to the hosted Windows applications, but maybe I misread. What fonts do you currently use in Frame for Mac? Regularly, about ten serif and as many sans fonts in various standard designs, but overall my font library has some 800 fonts. You might have no choice but to purchase a new set of fonts. Erk. Bummer. I agree--be careful with TransType Pro--a great program, but triple-check the font license. Quite. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Transitioning FrameMaker from Mac to Windows: fonts
Steve I have just been through this exercise. From 7 to 10. I have installed Win7 on the bootcamp partition and am using VirtualBox to run Windows as a virtual machine. I normally I run Windows through Virtual Box, but bootcamp provides a real hard disk into which I can start up Windows if I want. Virtual Box allows me to share printers, network connections and other services, meaning I don't have to go through the pain of setting them up in Windows (doing it with a Mac is so much easier for me). I am happily running FM10 without any issues, so far. Have also tested FM10 fairly extensively in both modes (structured and unstructured) to satisfy myself it will provide untroubled service. Virtual Box is a free download. Parallels and VmWare are not. I used to run Parallels and got sick of the all too frequent upgrades that required more bucks to be paid to them. VMWare is a good, solid product, but so is Virtual BOx. Alan On 24/06/12 10:13 AM, David Creamer wrote: I prefer Parallels, but you should check out both. What fonts do you currently use in Frame for Mac? You might have no choice but to purchase a new set of fonts. I agree--be careful with TransType Pro--a great program, but triple-check the font license. Dave Creamer IDEAS Training http://www.ideastraining.com * Sometime later this year I'll be moving from FrameMaker 7.2 on Mac (in Classic) to FrameMaker 10 for Windows running under emulation on a new Mac in either Parallels or VMWare Fusion. Clearly this will lose FrameMaker's access to my font library in Classic, but I am constrained to work with designs that use specific fonts, and I don't want to have to buy them all over again. Most of my fonts are Ps Type 1, not OpenType or TT. Is there anyone who has gone through this pain who can advise me? I've got TransType, but I've never fond its results to be very reliable, and it probably violates font license agreements anyway. Or do Parallels or Fusion have some sort of magic for resolving this issue? -- AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Transitioning FrameMaker from Mac to Windows: fonts
Steve I have just been through this exercise. From 7 to 10. I have installed Win7 on the bootcamp partition and am using VirtualBox to run Windows as a virtual machine. I normally I run Windows through Virtual Box, but bootcamp provides a real hard disk into which I can start up Windows if I want. Virtual Box allows me to share printers, network connections and other services, meaning I don't have to go through the pain of setting them up in Windows (doing it with a Mac is so much easier for me). I am happily running FM10 without any issues, so far. Have also tested FM10 fairly extensively in both modes to satisfy myself it will provide untroubled service. Virtual Box is a free download. Parallels and VmWare are not. I used to run Parallels and got sick of the all too frequent upgrades that required more bucks to be paid to them. Alan On 24/06/12 10:13 AM, David Creamer wrote: I prefer Parallels, but you should check out both. What fonts do you currently use in Frame for Mac? You might have no choice but to purchase a new set of fonts. I agree--be careful with TransType Pro--a great program, but triple-check the font license. Dave Creamer IDEAS Training http://www.ideastraining.com * Sometime later this year I'll be moving from FrameMaker 7.2 on Mac (in Classic) to FrameMaker 10 for Windows running under emulation on a new Mac in either Parallels or VMWare Fusion. Clearly this will lose FrameMaker's access to my font library in Classic, but I am constrained to work with designs that use specific fonts, and I don't want to have to buy them all over again. Most of my fonts are Ps Type 1, not OpenType or TT. Is there anyone who has gone through this pain who can advise me? I've got TransType, but I've never fond its results to be very reliable, and it probably violates font license agreements anyway. Or do Parallels or Fusion have some sort of magic for resolving this issue? -- AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Transitioning FrameMaker from Mac to Windows: fonts
I just tested the fonts issue using VirtualBox. While you can easily share folders between the Mac and your Virtual Box machine, you still need to import fonts into Windows for them to be active. The Mac installed fonts may not work by importing into Windows, at least those that I tried just now didn't import. Alan On 24/06/12 4:56 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote: Sometime later this year I'll be moving from FrameMaker 7.2 on Mac (in Classic) to FrameMaker 10 for Windows running under emulation on a new Mac in either Parallels or VMWare Fusion. Clearly this will lose FrameMaker's access to my font library in Classic, but I am constrained to work with designs that use specific fonts, and I don't want to have to buy them all over again. Most of my fonts are Ps Type 1, not OpenType or TT. Is there anyone who has gone through this pain who can advise me? I've got TransType, but I've never fond its results to be very reliable, and it probably violates font license agreements anyway. Or do Parallels or Fusion have some sort of magic for resolving this issue? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Transitioning FrameMaker from Mac to Windows: fonts
At 15:13 -0700 23/6/12, David Creamer wrote: >I prefer Parallels, but you should check out both. Yes, true. I think there are some comparative reviews on line. I'd be interested in knowing the reasons for your preference, but maybe offline as it's not directly relevant to FrameMaker. I just got a hint from something I read online that one or other of these applications had the ability to make Mac fonts available to the hosted Windows applications, but maybe I misread. >What fonts do you currently use in Frame for Mac? Regularly, about ten serif and as many sans fonts in various standard designs, but overall my font library has some 800 fonts. >You might have no choice but to purchase a new set of fonts. Erk. Bummer. >I agree--be careful with TransType Pro--a great program, but triple-check >the font license. Quite. -- Steve
Transitioning FrameMaker from Mac to Windows: fonts
Sometime later this year I'll be moving from FrameMaker 7.2 on Mac (in Classic) to FrameMaker 10 for Windows running under emulation on a new Mac in either Parallels or VMWare Fusion. Clearly this will lose FrameMaker's access to my font library in Classic, but I am constrained to work with designs that use specific fonts, and I don't want to have to buy them all over again. Most of my fonts are Ps Type 1, not OpenType or TT. Is there anyone who has gone through this pain who can advise me? I've got TransType, but I've never fond its results to be very reliable, and it probably violates font license agreements anyway. Or do Parallels or Fusion have some sort of magic for resolving this issue? -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Transitioning FrameMaker from Mac to Windows: fonts
I prefer Parallels, but you should check out both. What fonts do you currently use in Frame for Mac? You might have no choice but to purchase a new set of fonts. I agree--be careful with TransType Pro--a great program, but triple-check the font license. Dave Creamer IDEAS Training http://www.ideastraining.com * Sometime later this year I'll be moving from FrameMaker 7.2 on Mac (in Classic) to FrameMaker 10 for Windows running under emulation on a new Mac in either Parallels or VMWare Fusion. Clearly this will lose FrameMaker's access to my font library in Classic, but I am constrained to work with designs that use specific fonts, and I don't want to have to buy them all over again. Most of my fonts are Ps Type 1, not OpenType or TT. Is there anyone who has gone through this pain who can advise me? I've got TransType, but I've never fond its results to be very reliable, and it probably violates font license agreements anyway. Or do Parallels or Fusion have some sort of magic for resolving this issue? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Transitioning FrameMaker from Mac to Windows: fonts
Sometime later this year I'll be moving from FrameMaker 7.2 on Mac (in Classic) to FrameMaker 10 for Windows running under emulation on a new Mac in either Parallels or VMWare Fusion. Clearly this will lose FrameMaker's access to my font library in Classic, but I am constrained to work with designs that use specific fonts, and I don't want to have to buy them all over again. Most of my fonts are Ps Type 1, not OpenType or TT. Is there anyone who has gone through this pain who can advise me? I've got TransType, but I've never fond its results to be very reliable, and it probably violates font license agreements anyway. Or do Parallels or Fusion have some sort of magic for resolving this issue? -- Steve
Transitioning FrameMaker from Mac to Windows: fonts
I prefer Parallels, but you should check out both. What fonts do you currently use in Frame for Mac? You might have no choice but to purchase a new set of fonts. I agree--be careful with TransType Pro--a great program, but triple-check the font license. Dave Creamer IDEAS Training http://www.ideastraining.com * Sometime later this year I'll be moving from FrameMaker 7.2 on Mac (in Classic) to FrameMaker 10 for Windows running under emulation on a new Mac in either Parallels or VMWare Fusion. Clearly this will lose FrameMaker's access to my font library in Classic, but I am constrained to work with designs that use specific fonts, and I don't want to have to buy them all over again. Most of my fonts are Ps Type 1, not OpenType or TT. Is there anyone who has gone through this pain who can advise me? I've got TransType, but I've never fond its results to be very reliable, and it probably violates font license agreements anyway. Or do Parallels or Fusion have some sort of magic for resolving this issue?
Re: FrameMaker on Mac
At 20:28 -0700 6/4/06, Pat Christenson wrote: Very mixed feelings here. As I understand it, you have to boot into either OS X or Windows which makes it more cumbersome than Classic. But Classic isn't an option on the new computers so once again, it's like it or lump it for Mac users. Yes, Boot Camp is dual boot. A dual-boot Mac is no use to me, because I need to use a lot of other software *at the same time* as FrameMaker, cross-referencing Excel, mail and so on. One could do this most easily by networking a real PC to the Mac, and running FrameMaker on that. I was at IPEX on Wednesday, the big 4-yearly UK show for the printing and publishing industries, and talked to the people on the Apple stand. Their general view was that Apple had done it because there were a lot of Windows users who wanted to run XP on Apple's 'real cool, superior hardware' [I am quoting here]. I hope this doesn't turn out to be hubris. My concern is that with Apple MacIntels being able to run XP, what is the incentive for Adobe to go on producing *any Mac applications at all*? -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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A colleague posed this question to me about running Apple's Boot Camp What I would like to know is if you prepared a graphic in, say, OSX Photoshop, and you wanted to import it into Windows FrameMaker, would the OSes cooperate? Could you save the file across the partition? Or would you have to copy the graphic file to a memory stick in order for the competing OS to recognize it? Thanks, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) NANOmetrics, Inc. 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 (408.435.9600 x 316 7 408.232.5911 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] blocked::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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One of the Mac lists (MacFixIt or one of those) noted that if you format the Windows side with FAT32, you can see both partitions from both OSs, but the newer default XP format exceeds the limitations of FAT32, so most users don't bother fighting the default. So, you'd have to use a memory stick or email attachment or external storage of some kind to transfer files, plus, quit and restart OSs. There's a Mac third-party program, MacDrive, I think it's called, that makes Mac-formatted drives visible on Windows. I don't know if it will work with MacTel under Windows. Search Google for it, and ask the manufacturer. Under Virtual PC on Mac, you can work across the OSs, but it's slower. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices At 8:49 AM -0700 4/7/06, Gillian Flato wrote: A colleague posed this question to me about running Apple's Boot Camp What I would like to know is if you prepared a graphic in, say, OSX Photoshop, and you wanted to import it into Windows FrameMaker, would the OSes cooperate? Could you save the file across the partition? Or would you have to copy the graphic file to a memory stick in order for the competing OS to recognize it? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker on Mac
I'm repeating a post I made yesterday, but this will obviate the procedures listed below. This is preferable to a dual boot scenario. http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php - web At 11:28 AM -0500 4/7/06, Peter Gold wrote: One of the Mac lists (MacFixIt or one of those) noted that if you format the Windows side with FAT32, you can see both partitions from both OSs, but the newer default XP format exceeds the limitations of FAT32, so most users don't bother fighting the default. So, you'd have to use a memory stick or email attachment or external storage of some kind to transfer files, plus, quit and restart OSs. There's a Mac third-party program, MacDrive, I think it's called, that makes Mac-formatted drives visible on Windows. I don't know if it will work with MacTel under Windows. Search Google for it, and ask the manufacturer. Under Virtual PC on Mac, you can work across the OSs, but it's slower. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices At 8:49 AM -0700 4/7/06, Gillian Flato wrote: A colleague posed this question to me about running Apple's Boot Camp What I would like to know is if you prepared a graphic in, say, OSX Photoshop, and you wanted to import it into Windows FrameMaker, would the OSes cooperate? Could you save the file across the partition? Or would you have to copy the graphic file to a memory stick in order for the competing OS to recognize it? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker on Mac
A good work around may be to install a second hard drive and reserve it for data, possibly from both OSes... Art On 4/7/06, Peter Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the Mac lists (MacFixIt or one of those) noted that if you format the Windows side with FAT32, you can see both partitions from both OSs, but the newer default XP format exceeds the limitations of FAT32, so most users don't bother fighting the default. So, you'd have to use a memory stick or email attachment or external storage of some kind to transfer files, plus, quit and restart OSs. There's a Mac third-party program, MacDrive, I think it's called, that makes Mac-formatted drives visible on Windows. I don't know if it will work with MacTel under Windows. Search Google for it, and ask the manufacturer. Under Virtual PC on Mac, you can work across the OSs, but it's slower. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices At 8:49 AM -0700 4/7/06, Gillian Flato wrote: A colleague posed this question to me about running Apple's Boot Camp What I would like to know is if you prepared a graphic in, say, OSX Photoshop, and you wanted to import it into Windows FrameMaker, would the OSes cooperate? Could you save the file across the partition? Or would you have to copy the graphic file to a memory stick in order for the competing OS to recognize it? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker on Mac
I think more to your point might be: If Apple is making most of its money in the music business, how much incentive is there to continue to develop Mac aps and other software Art On 4/7/06, Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was at IPEX on Wednesday, the big 4-yearly UK show for the printing and publishing industries, and talked to the people on the Apple stand. Their general view was that Apple had done it because there were a lot of Windows users who wanted to run XP on Apple's 'real cool, superior hardware' [I am quoting here]. I hope this doesn't turn out to be hubris. My concern is that with Apple MacIntels being able to run XP, what is the incentive for Adobe to go on producing *any Mac applications at all*? -- Steve -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil. It *would* be nice if the Unix version could be ported over to OS X, but the Windows dual-boot option is not a virtualization, like Virtual PC. It is actually running Windows on the computer. As a trainer, I look forward to slimming down to one computer when traveling, but I'm waiting for the larger screen portables. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified (since 1995) for ALL Print and Web Publishing-related software Authorized Quark Provider (since 1988) Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified Apple Certified Consultant (since 1990) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker on Mac
At 12:50 PM -0700 4/7/06, David Creamer wrote: P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil. It *would* be nice if the Unix version could be ported over to OS X, but the Windows dual-boot option is not a virtualization, like Virtual PC. It is actually running Windows on the computer. You missed a post or two somewhere along the line. I'm not talking about dual boot. Follow the link. http://www.parallels.com/ This is virtualization, not, booting to windows. I don't want either, but dual booting is more inconvenient than virtual platforms. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Much more interesting to Mac Framemaker users than Apple's Boot Camp are Parallels' XP emulator (now shipping beta) and -- especially -- the Open Source project for something called Darwine. Based on Wine, a Linux project, Darwine will allow a user to run a Windows application under OS X. Not only don't you not boot Windows, you don't even buy it. I have no idea how stable this will be, or whether Wine works well on Linux, and of course there will be glitches, but the concept is remarkable. Think of the ramifications: my guess is that many Windows users love their aps not their OS. And if Darwine beats Vista to market. Hmmnn More info here: http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-3462-2-79-99483-407346-0-0-0-1 and here: http://darwine.opendarwin.org/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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At 20:28 -0700 6/4/06, Pat Christenson wrote: >Very mixed feelings here. As I understand it, you have to boot into either OS >X or Windows which makes it more cumbersome than Classic. But Classic isn't an >option on the new computers so once again, it's like it or lump it for Mac >users. Yes, Boot Camp is dual boot. A dual-boot Mac is no use to me, because I need to use a lot of other software *at the same time* as FrameMaker, cross-referencing Excel, mail and so on. One could do this most easily by networking a real PC to the Mac, and running FrameMaker on that. I was at IPEX on Wednesday, the big 4-yearly UK show for the printing and publishing industries, and talked to the people on the Apple stand. Their general view was that Apple had done it because there were a lot of Windows users who wanted to run XP on Apple's 'real cool, superior hardware' [I am quoting here]. I hope this doesn't turn out to be hubris. My concern is that with Apple MacIntels being able to run XP, what is the incentive for Adobe to go on producing *any Mac applications at all*? -- Steve
FrameMaker on Mac
A colleague posed this question to me about running Apple's Boot Camp >>What I would like to know is if you prepared a graphic in, say, OSX Photoshop, and you wanted to import it into Windows FrameMaker, would the OSes cooperate? Could you save the file across the partition? Or would you have to copy the graphic file to a memory stick in order for the competing OS to recognize it? Thanks, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) NANOmetrics, Inc. 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 (408.435.9600 x 316 7 408.232.5911 * gflato at nanometrics.com This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited.
FrameMaker on Mac
One of the Mac lists (MacFixIt or one of those) noted that if you format the Windows side with FAT32, you can see both partitions from both OSs, but the newer default XP format exceeds the limitations of FAT32, so most users don't bother fighting the default. So, you'd have to use a memory stick or email attachment or external storage of some kind to transfer files, plus, quit and restart OSs. There's a Mac third-party program, MacDrive, I think it's called, that makes Mac-formatted drives visible on Windows. I don't know if it will work with MacTel under Windows. Search Google for it, and ask the manufacturer. Under Virtual PC on Mac, you can work across the OSs, but it's slower. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices At 8:49 AM -0700 4/7/06, Gillian Flato wrote: >A colleague posed this question to me about running Apple's Boot Camp > >>>What I would like to know is if you prepared a graphic in, say, OSX >Photoshop, and you wanted to import it into Windows FrameMaker, would >the OSes cooperate? Could you save the file across the partition? >Or would you have to copy the graphic file to a memory stick in order >for the competing OS to recognize it?
FrameMaker on Mac
I'm repeating a post I made yesterday, but this will obviate the procedures listed below. This is preferable to a dual boot scenario. http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php - web At 11:28 AM -0500 4/7/06, Peter Gold wrote: >One of the Mac lists (MacFixIt or one of those) noted that if you format the >Windows side with FAT32, you can see both partitions from both OSs, but the >newer default XP format exceeds the limitations of FAT32, so most users don't >bother fighting the default. > >So, you'd have to use a memory stick or email attachment or external storage >of some kind to transfer files, plus, quit and restart OSs. > >There's a Mac third-party program, MacDrive, I think it's called, that makes >Mac-formatted drives visible on Windows. I don't know if it will work with >MacTel under Windows. Search Google for it, and ask the manufacturer. > >Under Virtual PC on Mac, you can work across the OSs, but it's slower. > >HTH > > >Regards, > >Peter Gold >KnowHow ProServices > >At 8:49 AM -0700 4/7/06, Gillian Flato wrote: >>A colleague posed this question to me about running Apple's Boot Camp >> What I would like to know is if you prepared a graphic in, say, OSX >>Photoshop, and you wanted to import it into Windows FrameMaker, would >>the OSes cooperate? Could you save the file across the partition? >>Or would you have to copy the graphic file to a memory stick in order >>for the competing OS to recognize it? > >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as web at nbnet.nb.ca. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at >lists.frameusers.com >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker on Mac
A good work around may be to install a second hard drive and reserve it for data, possibly from both OSes... Art On 4/7/06, Peter Gold wrote: > One of the Mac lists (MacFixIt or one of those) noted that if you > format the Windows side with FAT32, you can see both partitions from > both OSs, but the newer default XP format exceeds the limitations of > FAT32, so most users don't bother fighting the default. > > So, you'd have to use a memory stick or email attachment or external > storage of some kind to transfer files, plus, quit and restart OSs. > > There's a Mac third-party program, MacDrive, I think it's called, > that makes Mac-formatted drives visible on Windows. I don't know if > it will work with MacTel under Windows. Search Google for it, and ask > the manufacturer. > > Under Virtual PC on Mac, you can work across the OSs, but it's slower. > > HTH > > > Regards, > > Peter Gold > KnowHow ProServices > > At 8:49 AM -0700 4/7/06, Gillian Flato wrote: > >A colleague posed this question to me about running Apple's Boot Camp > > > >>>What I would like to know is if you prepared a graphic in, say, OSX > >Photoshop, and you wanted to import it into Windows FrameMaker, would > >the OSes cooperate? Could you save the file across the partition? > >Or would you have to copy the graphic file to a memory stick in order > >for the competing OS to recognize it? > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
FrameMaker on Mac
I think more to your point might be: If Apple is making most of its money in the music business, how much incentive is there to continue to develop Mac aps and other software Art On 4/7/06, Steve Rickaby wrote: > I was at IPEX on Wednesday, the big 4-yearly UK show for the printing and > publishing industries, and talked to the people on the Apple stand. Their > general view was that Apple had done it because there were a lot of Windows > users who wanted to run XP on Apple's 'real cool, superior hardware' [I am > quoting here]. I hope this doesn't turn out to be hubris. My concern is that > with Apple MacIntels being able to run XP, what is the incentive for Adobe to > go on producing *any Mac applications at all*? > -- > Steve > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
FrameMaker on Mac
> P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil. It *would* be nice if the Unix version could be ported over to OS X, but the Windows dual-boot option is not a virtualization, like Virtual PC. It is actually running Windows on the computer. As a trainer, I look forward to "slimming" down to one computer when traveling, but I'm waiting for the larger screen portables. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified (since 1995) for ALL Print and Web Publishing-related software Authorized Quark Provider (since 1988) Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified Apple Certified Consultant (since 1990)
FrameMaker on Mac
At 12:50 PM -0700 4/7/06, David Creamer wrote: > > P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil. > >It *would* be nice if the Unix version could be ported over to OS X, but the >Windows dual-boot option is not a virtualization, like Virtual PC. >It is actually running Windows on the computer. You missed a post or two somewhere along the line. I'm not talking about dual boot. Follow the link. http://www.parallels.com/ This is virtualization, not, booting to windows. I don't want either, but dual booting is more inconvenient than virtual platforms. - web
Framemaker on Mac
Much more interesting to Mac Framemaker users than Apple's Boot Camp are Parallels' XP emulator (now shipping beta) and -- especially -- the Open Source project for something called "Darwine". Based on Wine, a Linux project, Darwine will allow a user to run a Windows application under OS X. Not only don't you not boot Windows, you don't even buy it. I have no idea how stable this will be, or whether Wine works well on Linux, and of course there will be glitches, but the concept is remarkable. Think of the ramifications: my guess is that many Windows users love their aps not their OS. And if Darwine beats Vista to market. Hmmnn More info here: http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-3462-2-79-99483-407346-0-0-0-1 and here: http://darwine.opendarwin.org/
FrameMaker on Mac
Bill Briggs wrote: At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote: in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker user I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight face. I've got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and it's a profoundly unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it works, but with the end in sight it's almost painful to create new documents with it. The lack of an OS X version of FrameMaker is the most annoying computing issue I've had in more than a decade. Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was reported in the paper today that Apple Computer Inc. released new software yesterday that lets users of its newest computers run Microsoft Corp.'s dominant Windows XP operating system. (and therefore Windows versions of FM) http://tinyurl.com/lfp96 I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one... -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Democracy: you can’t export it abroad when you don’t practise it at home. --Jack Layton Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker on Mac
At 12:41 PM -0400 4/6/06, Stuart Rogers wrote: Bill Briggs wrote: At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote: in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker user I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight face. I've got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and it's a profoundly unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it works, but with the end in sight it's almost painful to create new documents with it. The lack of an OS X version of FrameMaker is the most annoying computing issue I've had in more than a decade. Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was reported in the paper today that Apple Computer Inc. released new software yesterday that lets users of its newest computers run Microsoft Corp.'s dominant Windows XP operating system. (and therefore Windows versions of FM) http://tinyurl.com/lfp96 I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one... This is preferable to a dual boot scenario. http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php - web P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker on Mac
Too bad Jobs isn't as much a Mac fanatic as Mac fanatics are Art On 4/6/06, Bill Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:41 PM -0400 4/6/06, Stuart Rogers wrote: Bill Briggs wrote: At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote: in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker user I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight face. I've got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and it's a profoundly unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it works, but with the end in sight it's almost painful to create new documents with it. The lack of an OS X version of FrameMaker is the most annoying computing issue I've had in more than a decade. Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was reported in the paper today that Apple Computer Inc. released new software yesterday that lets users of its newest computers run Microsoft Corp.'s dominant Windows XP operating system. (and therefore Windows versions of FM) http://tinyurl.com/lfp96 I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one... This is preferable to a dual boot scenario. http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php - web P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil. ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT Re: FrameMaker on Mac
At this stage I wouldn't even speculate on what motivates Steve Jobs, or what he's fanatical about. And that may have changed since his close brush with the mortality (pancreatic cancer). One detects a change in his outlook. I don't know that we Mac users are fanatics. I switched from windows a little over a decade ago. I still have Windows machines in the labs here. I like what I'm using now (the Mac) and I have no interest in switching back to Windows. And some of my colleagues switch to the Mac every year, so we are a growing group. On campus there is a very large population of Mac users and the numbers are climbing all the time. But as concerns FrameMaker, I'll change documentation strategies before I change platforms, though I'll miss FrameMaker. I'm a bit of a nut about typography, so LaTeX will probably end up being good for me. It's not fanaticism. It's just preference in a platform to work on day in and day out. OS X provides a really nice work space whether I want to make a movie with some Apple software, or write a shell script in UNIX, or compile some C code for a PIC. It's just a great platform. It's not perfect. I've got my gripes with some things OS X and some things Apple, but on the whole I think it's about as good as it gets out there for usability and power on the desktop. - web At 2:47 PM -0400 4/6/06, Art Campbell wrote: Too bad Jobs isn't as much a Mac fanatic as Mac fanatics are Art On 4/6/06, Bill Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:41 PM -0400 4/6/06, Stuart Rogers wrote: Bill Briggs wrote: At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote: in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker user I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight face. I've got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and it's a profoundly unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it works, but with the end in sight it's almost painful to create new documents with it. The lack of an OS X version of FrameMaker is the most annoying computing issue I've had in more than a decade. Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was reported in the paper today that Apple Computer Inc. released new software yesterday that lets users of its newest computers run Microsoft Corp.'s dominant Windows XP operating system. (and therefore Windows versions of FM) http://tinyurl.com/lfp96 I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one... This is preferable to a dual boot scenario. http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php - web P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil. ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker on Mac, NPR Talk of the Nation
Today's NPR Talk of the Nation is discussing the Mac and Windows OS. If the broadcast time has past for your time zone, you can listen to program over the web (http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=5). Karen L. Zorn Zorn Technologies, Inc. Mesa, AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:47 AM To: Bill Briggs Cc: Framers Subject: Re: FrameMaker on Mac Too bad Jobs isn't as much a Mac fanatic as Mac fanatics are Art On 4/6/06, Bill Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:41 PM -0400 4/6/06, Stuart Rogers wrote: Bill Briggs wrote: At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote: in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker user I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight face. I've got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and it's a profoundly unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it works, but with the end in sight it's almost painful to create new documents with it. The lack of an OS X version of FrameMaker is the most annoying computing issue I've had in more than a decade. Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was reported in the paper today that Apple Computer Inc. released new software yesterday that lets users of its newest computers run Microsoft Corp.'s dominant Windows XP operating system. (and therefore Windows versions of FM) http://tinyurl.com/lfp96 I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one... This is preferable to a dual boot scenario. http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php - web P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil. ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/k.zorn%40zorntech.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT Re: FrameMaker on Mac
Hi Bill, I appreciate your comments, but I would rather keep my primary application (FrameMaker), even if I had to run it on a foreign operating system like Windows XP. The ability to run FrameMaker on the Mac via Windows may be a compromise, but it has to be better than switching applications or platforms. In my opinion, the ultimate will be if Apple unbundles OS X from Apple hardware. I think that OSX would make huge gains in market share overnight. And I think that the increased popularity of OS X would cause Apple's hardware sales to increase as well. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com At this stage I wouldn't even speculate on what motivates Steve Jobs, or what he's fanatical about. And that may have changed since his close brush with the mortality (pancreatic cancer). One detects a change in his outlook. I don't know that we Mac users are fanatics. I switched from windows a little over a decade ago. I still have Windows machines in the labs here. I like what I'm using now (the Mac) and I have no interest in switching back to Windows. And some of my colleagues switch to the Mac every year, so we are a growing group. On campus there is a very large population of Mac users and the numbers are climbing all the time. But as concerns FrameMaker, I'll change documentation strategies before I change platforms, though I'll miss FrameMaker. I'm a bit of a nut about typography, so LaTeX will probably end up being good for me. It's not fanaticism. It's just preference in a platform to work on day in and day out. OS X provides a really nice work space whether I want to make a movie with some Apple software, or write a shell script in UNIX, or compile some C code for a PIC. It's just a great platform. It's not perfect. I've got my gripes with some things OS X and some things Apple, but on the whole I think it's about as good as it gets out there for usability and power on the desktop. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT Re: FrameMaker on Mac
At 5:13 PM -0400 4/6/06, Rick Quatro wrote: And I think that the increased popularity of OS X would cause Apple's hardware sales to increase as well. Maybe, maybe not. That's the tough call. It didn't work in the clone era, and I'm not sure it would now. Don't forget that Apple is first and foremost a hardware company. Revenue is tied to iron, not OS X. As a shareholder I pay attention to this a bit more than casually. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT Re: FrameMaker on Mac
True, Apple is a hardware company, but the real money in computers is in software. Just ask Bill Gates. The question is, how much hardware revenue would Apple lose by such a move? Do people buy Apple for the hardware or for the software experience? Hopefully, they would gain many customers that would have never bought Apple hardware anyway. For me, though, the ability to use FrameMaker trumps hardware and OS choices. I would consider LaTeX and Apple/OS X a serious downgrade from FrameMaker and Windows XP. My first choice would be OS X on my choice of hardware with the ability to run Windows XP on the same machine. This would allow me the advantages and experience of OS X, while allowing me to stay current with FrameMaker. My second choice would be a Mac that could easily run Windows XP. It looks like this second choice is becoming a reality. Rick At 5:13 PM -0400 4/6/06, Rick Quatro wrote: And I think that the increased popularity of OS X would cause Apple's hardware sales to increase as well. Maybe, maybe not. That's the tough call. It didn't work in the clone era, and I'm not sure it would now. Don't forget that Apple is first and foremost a hardware company. Revenue is tied to iron, not OS X. As a shareholder I pay attention to this a bit more than casually. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker on Mac
On Apr 6, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Stuart Rogers wrote: Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was reported in the paper today that Apple Computer Inc. released new software yesterday that lets users of its newest computers run Microsoft Corp.'s dominant Windows XP operating system. (and therefore Windows versions of FM) http://tinyurl.com/lfp96 I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one... Very mixed feelings here. As I understand it, you have to boot into either OS X or Windows which makes it more cumbersome than Classic. But Classic isn't an option on the new computers so once again, it's like it or lump it for Mac users. Pat Christenson ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker on Mac
Bill Briggs wrote: > At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote: >> in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker >> user > > I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight > face. I've got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and > it's a profoundly unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it > works, but with the end in sight it's almost painful to create new > documents with it. The lack of an OS X version of FrameMaker is the > most annoying computing issue I've had in more than a decade. > Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was reported in the paper today that "Apple Computer Inc. released new software yesterday that lets users of its newest computers run Microsoft Corp.'s dominant Windows XP operating system." (and therefore Windows versions of FM) http://tinyurl.com/lfp96 I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one... -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "Democracy: you can?t export it abroad when you don?t practise it at home." --Jack Layton Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5
FrameMaker on Mac
At 12:41 PM -0400 4/6/06, Stuart Rogers wrote: >Bill Briggs wrote: >>At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote: >>>in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker >>>user >> >>I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight >>face. I've got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and >>it's a profoundly unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it >>works, but with the end in sight it's almost painful to create new >>documents with it. The lack of an OS X version of FrameMaker is the >>most annoying computing issue I've had in more than a decade. >> > >Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was reported >in the paper today that "Apple Computer Inc. released new software yesterday >that lets users of its newest computers run Microsoft Corp.'s dominant Windows >XP operating system." > >(and therefore Windows versions of FM) > >http://tinyurl.com/lfp96 > >I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one... This is preferable to a dual boot scenario. http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php - web P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil.
FrameMaker on Mac
Too bad Jobs isn't as much a Mac fanatic as Mac fanatics are Art On 4/6/06, Bill Briggs wrote: > At 12:41 PM -0400 4/6/06, Stuart Rogers wrote: > >Bill Briggs wrote: > >>At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote: > >>>in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker > >>>user > >> > >>I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight > >>face. I've got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and > >>it's a profoundly unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it > >>works, but with the end in sight it's almost painful to create new > >>documents with it. The lack of an OS X version of FrameMaker is the > >>most annoying computing issue I've had in more than a decade. > >> > > > >Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was > >reported in the paper today that "Apple Computer Inc. released new software > >yesterday that lets users of its newest computers run Microsoft Corp.'s > >dominant Windows XP operating system." > > > >(and therefore Windows versions of FM) > > > >http://tinyurl.com/lfp96 > > > >I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one... > > This is preferable to a dual boot scenario. > http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php > > - web > > P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil. > ___ > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
OT Re: FrameMaker on Mac
At this stage I wouldn't even speculate on what motivates Steve Jobs, or what he's fanatical about. And that may have changed since his close brush with the mortality (pancreatic cancer). One detects a change in his outlook. I don't know that we Mac users are fanatics. I switched from windows a little over a decade ago. I still have Windows machines in the labs here. I like what I'm using now (the Mac) and I have no interest in switching back to Windows. And some of my colleagues switch to the Mac every year, so we are a growing group. On campus there is a very large population of Mac users and the numbers are climbing all the time. But as concerns FrameMaker, I'll change documentation strategies before I change platforms, though I'll miss FrameMaker. I'm a bit of a nut about typography, so LaTeX will probably end up being good for me. It's not fanaticism. It's just preference in a platform to work on day in and day out. OS X provides a really nice work space whether I want to make a movie with some Apple software, or write a shell script in UNIX, or compile some C code for a PIC. It's just a great platform. It's not perfect. I've got my gripes with some things OS X and some things Apple, but on the whole I think it's about as good as it gets out there for usability and power on the desktop. - web At 2:47 PM -0400 4/6/06, Art Campbell wrote: >Too bad Jobs isn't as much a Mac fanatic as Mac fanatics are > >Art > >On 4/6/06, Bill Briggs wrote: >> At 12:41 PM -0400 4/6/06, Stuart Rogers wrote: >> >Bill Briggs wrote: >> >>At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote: >> >>>in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker >> >>>user >> >> >> >>I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight >> >>face. I've got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and >> >>it's a profoundly unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it >> >>works, but with the end in sight it's almost painful to create new >> >>documents with it. The lack of an OS X version of FrameMaker is the >> >>most annoying computing issue I've had in more than a decade. >> >> >> > >> >Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was >> >reported in the paper today that "Apple Computer Inc. released new software >> >yesterday that lets users of its newest computers run Microsoft Corp.'s >> >dominant Windows XP operating system." >> > >> >(and therefore Windows versions of FM) >> > >> >http://tinyurl.com/lfp96 >> > >> >I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one... >> >> This is preferable to a dual boot scenario. >> http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php >> >> - web >> >> P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of evil. >> ___ >> > >-- >Art Campbell art.campbell at >gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358
FrameMaker on Mac, NPR Talk of the Nation
Today's NPR Talk of the Nation is discussing the Mac and Windows OS. If the broadcast time has past for your time zone, you can listen to program over the web (http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=5). Karen L. Zorn Zorn Technologies, Inc. Mesa, AZ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+k.zorn=zorntech@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+k.zorn=zorntech.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:47 AM To: Bill Briggs Cc: Framers Subject: Re: FrameMaker on Mac Too bad Jobs isn't as much a Mac fanatic as Mac fanatics are Art On 4/6/06, Bill Briggs wrote: > At 12:41 PM -0400 4/6/06, Stuart Rogers wrote: > >Bill Briggs wrote: > >>At 6:02 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote: > >>>in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker > >>>user > >> > >>I'm surprised that a Mac user can say such a thing with a straight > >>face. I've got 13 years worth of FrameMaker collateral on my Mac and > >>it's a profoundly unpleasant time to be a FrameMaker user. Yeah, it > >>works, but with the end in sight it's almost painful to create new > >>documents with it. The lack of an OS X version of FrameMaker is the > >>most annoying computing issue I've had in more than a decade. > >> > > > >Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was > >reported in the paper today that "Apple Computer Inc. released new > >software yesterday that lets users of its newest computers run > >Microsoft Corp.'s dominant Windows XP operating system." > > > >(and therefore Windows versions of FM) > > > >http://tinyurl.com/lfp96 > > > >I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one... > > This is preferable to a dual boot scenario. > http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php > > - web > > P.S. But I still want a Native version. Virtualization is the spawn of > evil. ___ > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as k.zorn at zorntech.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/k.zorn%40zorntech.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT Re: FrameMaker on Mac
Hi Bill, I appreciate your comments, but I would rather keep my primary application (FrameMaker), even if I had to run it on a "foreign" operating system like Windows XP. The ability to run FrameMaker on the Mac via Windows may be a compromise, but it has to be better than switching applications or platforms. In my opinion, the ultimate will be if Apple "unbundles" OS X from Apple hardware. I think that OSX would make huge gains in market share overnight. And I think that the increased popularity of OS X would cause Apple's hardware sales to increase as well. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com At this stage I wouldn't even speculate on what motivates Steve Jobs, or what he's fanatical about. And that may have changed since his close brush with the mortality (pancreatic cancer). One detects a change in his outlook. I don't know that we Mac users are fanatics. I switched from windows a little over a decade ago. I still have Windows machines in the labs here. I like what I'm using now (the Mac) and I have no interest in switching back to Windows. And some of my colleagues switch to the Mac every year, so we are a growing group. On campus there is a very large population of Mac users and the numbers are climbing all the time. But as concerns FrameMaker, I'll change documentation strategies before I change platforms, though I'll miss FrameMaker. I'm a bit of a nut about typography, so LaTeX will probably end up being good for me. It's not fanaticism. It's just preference in a platform to work on day in and day out. OS X provides a really nice work space whether I want to make a movie with some Apple software, or write a shell script in UNIX, or compile some C code for a PIC. It's just a great platform. It's not perfect. I've got my gripes with some things OS X and some things Apple, but on the whole I think it's about as good as it gets out there for usability and power on the desktop. - web
OT Re: FrameMaker on Mac
At 5:13 PM -0400 4/6/06, Rick Quatro wrote: >And I think that the increased popularity of OS X would cause Apple's hardware >sales to increase as well. Maybe, maybe not. That's the tough call. It didn't work in the "clone" era, and I'm not sure it would now. Don't forget that Apple is first and foremost a hardware company. Revenue is tied to iron, not OS X. As a shareholder I pay attention to this a bit more than casually. - web
OT Re: FrameMaker on Mac
True, Apple is a hardware company, but the real money in computers is in software. Just ask Bill Gates. The question is, how much hardware revenue would Apple lose by such a move? Do people buy Apple for the hardware or for the software experience? Hopefully, they would gain many customers that would have never bought Apple hardware anyway. For me, though, the ability to use FrameMaker trumps hardware and OS choices. I would consider LaTeX and Apple/OS X a serious "downgrade" from FrameMaker and Windows XP. My first choice would be OS X on my choice of hardware with the ability to run Windows XP on the same machine. This would allow me the advantages and experience of OS X, while allowing me to stay current with FrameMaker. My second choice would be a Mac that could easily run Windows XP. It looks like this second choice is becoming a reality. Rick > At 5:13 PM -0400 4/6/06, Rick Quatro wrote: >>And I think that the increased popularity of OS X would cause Apple's >>hardware sales to increase as well. > > Maybe, maybe not. That's the tough call. It didn't work in the "clone" > era, and I'm not sure it would now. Don't forget that Apple is first and > foremost a hardware company. Revenue is tied to iron, not OS X. As a > shareholder I pay attention to this a bit more than casually. > > - web >
FrameMaker on Mac
On Apr 6, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Stuart Rogers wrote: > > Don't know if it will be good news to mac users or not... but it was > reported in the paper today that "Apple Computer Inc. released new > software yesterday that lets users of its newest computers run > Microsoft Corp.'s dominant Windows XP operating system." > > (and therefore Windows versions of FM) > > http://tinyurl.com/lfp96 > > I'll leave the mac users to sort out their reactions to that one... Very mixed feelings here. As I understand it, you have to boot into either OS X or Windows which makes it more cumbersome than Classic. But Classic isn't an option on the new computers so once again, it's like it or lump it for Mac users. Pat Christenson
It's Here - the Brand New Adobe FrameMaker for Mac OS X Petition Web Site
Dear Supporter, Apple introduced its first Intel-based Macs in January and intends to transition the entire range from PowerPC to Intel by the end of the year. This is significant for Mac FrameMaker users because the new Intel Macs don't support the Classic environment and cannot run FrameMaker. To mark this critical phase in our campaign, I've set up a new domain for the FrameMaker for Mac OS X Web site (fm4osx.org), totally redesigned the site, and added PDF form letters to make writing to Adobe and Apple really easy. Please take a look at the new site and write to Adobe and Apple today. http://www.fm4osx.org/ Apparently, after putting all of its efforts into Acrobat and Creative Suite for the last few years, Adobe has reevaluated its portfolio and is reinvesting in FrameMaker. The first evidence of this was the September release of FrameMaker 7.2 for Windows and Solaris. Adobe has also said that if the market for Mac FrameMaker changes and there's an opportunity, it will respond. In other words, if enough people let Adobe know that they want FrameMaker for Mac OS X, they'll make it. If you haven't already written to Adobe, I urge you to do so now. Even if you have already written, please write again. The new PDF form letters on the Web site mean that it will only take a few minutes of your time. I've also provided address labels. Apple is still using Classic (Mac OS 9) and FrameMaker 6.0 to produce its own user guides and I know that its technical writers want FrameMaker for Mac OS X just as much as we do. Even Adobe is still using it. If you've not yet signed the petition, please do so now. If you've already signed, please don't sign again, as it diminishes the petition and I have to manually remove duplicates. I understand your frustration, but writing to Adobe would be more constructive. http://www.petitiononline.com/fmforosx/petition.html If you're not already a member, please join the FrameMaker for Mac OS X mailing list to keep up to date with the campaign's progress and discuss Mac FrameMaker-related issues. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmforosx/ The current petition count is 3,245 signatures. Please forward this message to all concerned. Thank you for your support! Paul Findon FrameMaker for Mac OS X Petition Organizer (Apologies if you receive this message more than once. If you no longer wish to receive mail about this issue, let me know and I'll remove your address.) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
It's Here - the Brand New Adobe FrameMaker for Mac OS X Petition Web Site
Dear Supporter, Apple introduced its first Intel-based Macs in January and intends to transition the entire range from PowerPC to Intel by the end of the year. This is significant for Mac FrameMaker users because the new Intel Macs don't support the Classic environment and cannot run FrameMaker. To mark this critical phase in our campaign, I've set up a new domain for the FrameMaker for Mac OS X Web site (fm4osx.org), totally redesigned the site, and added PDF form letters to make writing to Adobe and Apple really easy. Please take a look at the new site and write to Adobe and Apple today. <http://www.fm4osx.org/> Apparently, after putting all of its efforts into Acrobat and Creative Suite for the last few years, Adobe has reevaluated its portfolio and is reinvesting in FrameMaker. The first evidence of this was the September release of FrameMaker 7.2 for Windows and Solaris. Adobe has also said that if the market for Mac FrameMaker changes and there's an opportunity, it will respond. In other words, if enough people let Adobe know that they want FrameMaker for Mac OS X, they'll make it. If you haven't already written to Adobe, I urge you to do so now. Even if you have already written, please write again. The new PDF form letters on the Web site mean that it will only take a few minutes of your time. I've also provided address labels. Apple is still using Classic (Mac OS 9) and FrameMaker 6.0 to produce its own user guides and I know that its technical writers want FrameMaker for Mac OS X just as much as we do. Even Adobe is still using it. If you've not yet signed the petition, please do so now. If you've already signed, please don't sign again, as it diminishes the petition and I have to manually remove duplicates. I understand your frustration, but writing to Adobe would be more constructive. <http://www.petitiononline.com/fmforosx/petition.html> If you're not already a member, please join the FrameMaker for Mac OS X mailing list to keep up to date with the campaign's progress and discuss Mac FrameMaker-related issues. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmforosx/> The current petition count is 3,245 signatures. Please forward this message to all concerned. Thank you for your support! Paul Findon FrameMaker for Mac OS X Petition Organizer (Apologies if you receive this message more than once. If you no longer wish to receive mail about this issue, let me know and I'll remove your address.)
Sign the FrameMaker for Mac Petition
If you would like to see Adobe support FrameMaker on the Mac platform, sign the petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?fmforosx Also, if you haven't seen the new Macs that use Intel chips (those same pesky chips used in your Windows machines) see, What's an Intel chip doing in a Mac. A whole lot more than its ever done in a PC. http://www.apple.com/ One day, it won't matter what brand of computer we use (fingers crossed). == The Content Wrangler Scott Abel, Content Management Strategist 3421 Crystal Lakes Ct., Sarasota FL 34235 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 941-359-3416 www.thecontentwrangler.com Recent posts to TheContentWrangler.com ~ Structured Blogging: Getting On Board ~ Music: Bridging the Semantic Gap ~ DITA OpenToolkit ~ Increased Innovation With Structured Blogging ~ Should SMEs Create Content? ~ The Case for the Darwin Information Typing Architecture ~ Avoiding DITA Roadblocks ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Sign the FrameMaker for Mac Petition
At 11:16 AM -0500 1/15/06, Scott Abel wrote: If you would like to see Adobe support FrameMaker on the Mac platform, sign the petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?fmforosx What's up with the link? It's showing the HTML in my browser window. Strange. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Sign the FrameMaker for Mac Petition
I signed it a year or more ago, but just wanted to give you a heads up on the link status. I'm assuming that one shouldn't sign it more than once lest the Adobe wonks think it takes credibility from the petition. - web At 4:18 PM -0500 1/15/06, Scott Abel wrote: Here's the correct link! http://www.petitiononline.com/fmforosx/petition-sign.html == The Content Wrangler Scott Abel, Content Management Strategist 3421 Crystal Lakes Ct., Sarasota FL 34235 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 941-359-3416 www.thecontentwrangler.com Recent posts to TheContentWrangler.com ~ DITA OpenToolkit ~ Increased Innovation With Structured Blogging ~ Should SMEs Create Content? ~ The Case for the Darwin Information Typing Architecture ~ Avoiding DITA Roadblocks On Jan 15, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Bill Briggs wrote: At 11:16 AM -0500 1/15/06, Scott Abel wrote: If you would like to see Adobe support FrameMaker on the Mac platform, sign the petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?fmforosx What's up with the link? It's showing the HTML in my browser window. Strange. - web _ This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Sign the FrameMaker for Mac Petition
If you would like to see Adobe support FrameMaker on the Mac platform, sign the petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?fmforosx Also, if you haven't seen the new Macs that use Intel chips (those same pesky chips used in your Windows machines) see, "What's an Intel chip doing in a Mac. A whole lot more than its ever done in a PC". http://www.apple.com/ One day, it won't matter what brand of computer we use (fingers crossed). == The Content Wrangler Scott Abel, Content Management Strategist 3421 Crystal Lakes Ct., Sarasota FL 34235 abelsp at netdirect.net 941-359-3416 www.thecontentwrangler.com Recent posts to TheContentWrangler.com ~ Structured Blogging: Getting On Board ~ Music: Bridging the Semantic Gap ~ DITA OpenToolkit ~ Increased Innovation With Structured Blogging ~ Should SMEs Create Content? ~ The Case for the Darwin Information Typing Architecture ~ Avoiding DITA Roadblocks
Sign the FrameMaker for Mac Petition
Here's the correct link! http://www.petitiononline.com/fmforosx/petition-sign.html == The Content Wrangler Scott Abel, Content Management Strategist 3421 Crystal Lakes Ct., Sarasota FL 34235 abelsp at netdirect.net 941-359-3416 www.thecontentwrangler.com Recent posts to TheContentWrangler.com ~ DITA OpenToolkit ~ Increased Innovation With Structured Blogging ~ Should SMEs Create Content? ~ The Case for the Darwin Information Typing Architecture ~ Avoiding DITA Roadblocks On Jan 15, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Bill Briggs wrote: > At 11:16 AM -0500 1/15/06, Scott Abel wrote: >> If you would like to see Adobe support FrameMaker on the Mac >> platform, sign the petition: >> >> http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?fmforosx > > What's up with the link? It's showing the HTML in my browser window. > Strange. > > - web > > > > _ > This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm >
Sign the FrameMaker for Mac Petition
At 11:16 AM -0500 1/15/06, Scott Abel wrote: >If you would like to see Adobe support FrameMaker on the Mac platform, sign >the petition: > >http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?fmforosx What's up with the link? It's showing the HTML in my browser window. Strange. - web
Sign the FrameMaker for Mac Petition
I signed it a year or more ago, but just wanted to give you a heads up on the link status. I'm assuming that one shouldn't sign it more than once lest the Adobe wonks think it takes credibility from the petition. - web At 4:18 PM -0500 1/15/06, Scott Abel wrote: >Here's the correct link! > >http://www.petitiononline.com/fmforosx/petition-sign.html > > >== >The Content Wrangler >Scott Abel, Content Management Strategist >3421 Crystal Lakes Ct., Sarasota FL 34235 >abelsp at netdirect.net 941-359-3416 >www.thecontentwrangler.com > > >Recent posts to TheContentWrangler.com > > ~ DITA OpenToolkit > ~ Increased Innovation With Structured Blogging > ~ Should SMEs Create Content? > ~ The Case for the Darwin Information Typing Architecture > ~ Avoiding DITA Roadblocks > > >On Jan 15, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Bill Briggs wrote: > >>At 11:16 AM -0500 1/15/06, Scott Abel wrote: >>>If you would like to see Adobe support FrameMaker on the Mac platform, sign >>>the petition: >>> >>>http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?fmforosx >> >> What's up with the link? It's showing the HTML in my browser window. Strange. >> >> - web >> >> >> >>_ >>This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm
