Re: FM driving me crazy!

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I had this problem with 7.0 once, but I was trying to set the
properties from within the component file.

Check the settings for the file in the book file. The book file
overrides the settings in the component file and changes its settings.
And, IIRC, the book file wants all its components to have the same
pagination, so check the settings for the other files, especially the
preceeding files.

Structured or unstructured -- it's all the same here.

Bodvar


On 1/25/06, Joe Malin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)

 I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has only
 one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format  Page Layout
  Pagination to Make Page Count Even so it will add an extra blank
 page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a
 single page.

 It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination from
 the book window, not from within the file itself.

 This is unstructured FrameMaker.

 Any ideas?


 Joe Malin
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Re: FM driving me crazy!

[Bill Swallow]

 I *wonder*, though, if this isn't really an artifact of generated files.
 I update the pagination which fixes the problem, but then I regenerate,
 which creates a new, broken file. I wonder if FM is simply not smart
 enough to generate an extra page when it regenerates the list of tables.
 Anyone know?

No, FM handles generated files just fine. Have you ever saved the TOC
to file before regenerating it? If not, try that. Other than that,
ensure your file and book pagination settings are both set to make
page count even.

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Re: FM driving me crazy!

[Art Campbell]

First, check the internal pagination setting of the generated file and
make sure it's set to double-sided, not single sided.

Then check the pagination settings of the files that come before and
after it in the book; ideally they should all be set the same and at
the book level.

Also,

Art

On 1/24/06, Joe Malin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)

 I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has only
 one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format  Page Layout
  Pagination to Make Page Count Even so it will add an extra blank
 page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a
 single page.

 It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination from
 the book window, not from within the file itself.

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RE: Spam from India?

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Hi John,

Hopefully the bulk of people respond directly to you and maybe you can let Lisa 
(and the list?) know the results... Just to avoid a flood of email as I'm sure 
that you're not the only one.

I did get that same email so let's hope that we can track it. In their defense, 
the content is pretty FM specific and they may not have bothered to look up the 
'rules' of posting/harvesting. Maybe it would have been better for them to just 
post to the list once though instead of emailing a collection of addresses.

Bernard
 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:13 AM
To: framers@lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: Spam from India?

Did anyone else get this Framemaker Spam?  Did he harvest the names from this 
FrameUsers list?  

 Original Message 
Subject:FrameMaker
Date:   Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:49:58 +0530
From:   Aggarwal, Dhiraj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: XXX

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Re: Spam from India?

[Art Campbell]

Last fall, yes.

And thank you, gmail, for effective filtering.

Art

On 1/25/06, John Huntington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Did anyone else get this Framemaker Spam?  Did he harvest the names from
 this FrameUsers list?

  Original Message 
 Subject:FrameMaker
 Date:   Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:49:58 +0530
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 To: XXX



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RE: Numbers in my book's ToC?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:08 am -0500 25/1/06, Bernard Aschwanden wrote:

In a total and self promting way, consider getting Advanced FrameMaker (I have 
copies of the book) as there is a stellar, well thought out, well written, 
feature rich, intelligently designed (ha-ha) chapter just on generated files. 
Oh ya, I wrote that one :D

...but not if you're in the UK. Murray, fortunately for him, is not.

This book retails at $49.99 (£28) in the US, but Amazon UK list only used 
copies that start at £88.70 ($158).

Amusingly, the user books section of the Amazon US site lists two sources: one 
at $24.99, the other at $198.37.

Perhaps Amazon should vet its partners better.
--
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RE: Numbers in my book's ToC?

[Combs, Richard]

Murray Moore wrote: 

 I have created a paragraph numbering tag for each type of 
 heading in my chapter ToC, e.g. toc12 is $chapnum.n=0.
 
 I have created a paragraph numbering tag for each type of 
 chapter text heading, e.g. Head1 is S:Section $chapnum.n=0 \t
 
 I have added the number manually to each heading in my 
 chapter ToC, and to each heading in the chapter.
 
 Now what do I do to see each number preceding its heading in 
 my book's ToC?

Well, others have introduced you to the concept of $paranum and
$paranumonly, which may be what you were missing (in the FM 6 User
Guide, see pp. 346-350). But based on what you said, I'm wondering if
that's the only problem: 

 I have created a paragraph numbering tag for each type of 
 heading in my chapter ToC, e.g. toc12 is $chapnum.n=0. 

What do you mean by chapter ToC? And what's toc12 -- the name of one
of your heading paragraph formats? It's an odd choice of name (compared
to, say, Head1), so I'm wondering what you really mean by paragraph
numbering tag (there's no such thing; there are paragraph tags, or
formats, and they may have an autonumber as one of their settings). 

 I have added the number manually to each heading in my 
 chapter ToC, and to each heading in the chapter. 

If that's really true, you're doing something seriously wrong. The whole
point of adding an autonumber to a paragraph tag definition is so that
it will -- you know -- automatically have a number. Are you really
manually adding numbers? If so, you don't have autonumbers, and you need
to read pp. 113-122 of the User Guide. 

HTH! 
Richard


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unavailable figures make Frame crash

[Jakob Fix]

Hello,

we have the following problem on a couple of machines, with different documents:

If, on opening a file with missing figures, the user chooses to skip
this (and possibly all other figures), Frame crashes.

Occurs on some machines, not all of them.  Frame is +SGML 5.5.6,
Windows is 2000 or XP.

Any ideas why, and how to fix this?  Thanks in advance.
--
cheers,
Jakob.
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Re: batch-upgrading documents 5.5.6 to 7.2?

[Scott Prentice]

Also .. FileTools has a Force Open All Files in Book command (just 
open the book and click the menu item) ..


   http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/filetools.php

This isn't free, but does have a 30-day trial period which should be 
sufficient to convert all of your files.


Regards,

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Peter Gold wrote:


Hi, Jakob:

Yes, you can automate this process. Search Google for DoBatch, and 
DZBatcher, two free utilities that work on Windows FM, like the 
FM-unix utility, fmbatch.


At 12:14 PM +0100 1/25/06, Jakob Fix wrote:



So, to restate my question, is there a silent option to open files
created in a previous version in 7.x?






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Re: Spam from India?

[Peter Gold]

I just got one of these addressed to a long-gone former employee 
whose mail is routed to me. This person never posted to this list.


This makes it seem that perhaps the mail is being sent to addressees 
culled from multiple sources, such as company directories, Web sites, 
vendor listings, and perhaps even from results of search-engine 
searches.


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RE: FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

I'm not sure if *this* was the suggestion that started things working,
but now they work. Thanks to everyone who replied! As a lone writer, I
absolutely depend on you for help, and you always come through... 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
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www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Swallow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:40 AM
To: Joe Malin
Cc: Art Campbell; framers@frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FM driving me crazy!

Save it. ;-)

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list file is set 
 to double-sided in the Pagination dialog.

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RE: FM driving me crazy!

[Combs, Richard]

Joe Malin wrote:
 
 Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list 
 file is set to double-sided in the Pagination dialog. 
 

Well, I hate to ask, but have you _ever_ saved the generated file(s), or
are you creating a new one each time you generate? 

If the latter, that would explain a lot of your problems. 

Richard


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Re: FM driving me crazy!

[Art Campbell]

Joe,
Any time you turn around, save the file. Changing the settings as you
did is the same as altering the text in the file. If you don't save,
you lose.

Cheers,
Art

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 but now they work. Thanks to everyone who replied! As a lone writer, I
 absolutely depend on you for help, and you always come through...

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Fw: OT: Framemaker for UNIX User's Guide, Release 5

[Tammy . VanBoening]

Tammy Van Boening
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Aviation Courseware Development
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
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Tammy VanBoening/Jeppesen/TMC 
01/25/2006 12:07 PM

To
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cc

Subject
OT: Framemaker for UNIX User's Guide, Release 5





All,

I have this guide in my possession from my days of using FM on UNIX. For a 
long time and for the forseeable future, it will be FM on Windows only for 
me, and as we all know, all of the User Guides for previous versions of FM 
are still enormously helpful and applicable. (Even tho' I am on 7.1, I 
found just what I needed in a FM for 6.0 guide). If anybody wants this, 
it's free for the taking - all you need to do is to make arrangements to 
pick it up or if you're too far away, pay for the postage. That's it. Just 
let me know and it's yours.

TVB

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Aviation Courseware Development
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
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RE: Gage vs. Gauge

[Grant Hogarth]

It also describes 
the interior diameter of a shotgun barrel (12 gauge, 14 gauge)
the exterior diameter of an electrical wire (16 gauge 8 gauge)
NOTE: for both of these, the larger the number, the smaller the
actual dimension 
the spacing of track rails (Narrow gauge, broad gauge) 

Grant
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Subject: RE: Gage vs. Gauge

Jackie wondered:

Does anyone have a very specific definition and set of examples that
differentiate GAGE and GAUGE?

I'm no pro on this by any means but I found this by Googling and thought
that it might be applicable --

Gage, Gauge- Gauge is the spelling used in Great Britain but finds some
use in the U.S. It is chiefly found for nonlinear measurement
instruments (fluid gages, etc.). However, it is finding increased use
for coordinate measuring machines where it designates a device with a
proportional range and some form of indicator.

http://www.ticms.com/wizard/glossary.htm#G

HTH a lil'

~Chad

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RE: FM driving me crazy!

[Ridder, Fred]

FWIW, the technique I use and have disseminated to all the 
other writers in my group is this:
- in the same directory as your book file, make a copy of each 
  generated file template using the expected name (for example, 
  booknameTOC.fm and booknameLOF.fm)
- use the book file's Add menu to add the generation details
  (tags to collect, etc.) for each type of generated file; when 
  FrameMaker prompts you to update the book after adding 
  each of these file, decline that option.
- when all generated files have been added, update the book

It saves the time it takes to do the initial update/generate pass,
which can be substantial for large books or documents that 
have graphics pasted into them instead of referenced.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ


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Oh yeah I save them. In fact, when I'm initially creating a generated
file, I do the trick of generating, saving, overwriting the file with my
own template file, and then regenerating. 


 Joe Malin
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POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[John Wilcox]

 -Original Message-
 From: John Wilcox
 Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:30 PM

 This came up as a possible style standards issue here.
...
 A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
 B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

Of the 37 responses I got, 35 chose B or a variation thereof.

Most of those 35 were so adamant that I doubt they will be surprised at the
results, but I for one had no idea the vote would be so lop-sided.

All of the variations mentioned involved creating and using use-specific
char tags, such as BookTitle, VariableElement, NewTerm.

Two people said that using WebWorks, the bold and italic formatting would be
lost in the conversion, but I have not found this to be the case, at least
in WWEP.

Thanks to all who replied! As usual, the respondents comprise only a tiny
fraction of the list membership, but I suppose they give a pretty good
snapshot of actual usage.


_
Regards,
John Wilcox, Technical Writer
Zetron, Redmond


  

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Two Frame Issues

[Doug]

When I click the Format menu option in FrameMaker, the Font, Size, and
Style options are available.  Obviously this can lead to applying
format overrides.  I believe someone has created a plug-in that will
disable and/or remove these options...can someone remind me what the
name of it is?

Also, sometimes when I use Notepad to edit my Maker.ini file, it
becomes corrupted.  The EOL markers seem to vanish, the whole thing
becomes a jumble, and Frame doesn't work properly until I restore an
uncorrupted version of the file.  What's up with this/

Thanks,

Doug
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Re: batch-upgrading documents 5.5.6 to 7.2?

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:14:44 +0100, Jakob Fix [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

I guess one could save the old files in MIF, and load them in 7.x,
but how can this be automated?  DZBatcher?  Any other ideas?

Sure.  Download the free demo version of Mif2Go:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm

Install it; you only need to copy the two plugin DLL files,
m2rbook.dll and m2gframe.dll, to the frame\fminit\plugins 
directory, and delete .cache there. (If you also want to try
Mif2Go itself, do the full install per the User's Guide.)

After you restart Frame, you'll see Wash via MIF in your
File menu.  If you shift-File, it does all files in the book.
Really fast.  Enjoy!

HTH!
 
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Re: Comparing WebWorks versions

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Eileen,

I recently used Sourcerer 1.11 with FrameMaker 7.2 and it worked fine.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

Ideally, we'd like to upgrade to the latest version of all software,
including FrameMaker v7.2 and WebWorks ePublisher Pro. However,
Sourcerer (which we absolutely rely on) does not yet support FrameMaker
v7.2.  So for now we'll stick with Frame v7.1.

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FM driving me crazy!

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I had this problem with 7.0 once, but I was trying to set the
properties from within the component file.

Check the settings for the file in the book file. The book file
overrides the settings in the component file and changes its settings.
And, IIRC, the book file wants all its components to have the same
pagination, so check the settings for the other files, especially the
preceeding files.

Structured or unstructured -- it's all the same here.

Bodvar


On 1/25/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
> Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)
>
> I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has only
> one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format > Page Layout
> > Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank
> page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a
> single page.
>
> It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination from
> the book window, not from within the file itself.
>
> This is unstructured FrameMaker.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Joe Malin

batch-upgrading documents 5.5.6 to 7.2?

[Jakob Fix]

Hello,

well, we've almost finished our migration software-wise, now we need
to convert several hundreds documents to the new version.

instead of opening each and every file manually, being told that it's
a version 5 document, and agreeing to have it updated by clicking the
OK button in the dialogue box, isn't there a "silent" way of
opening/upgrading files?  I wouldn't mind doing it on a per-book
basis, because we have meta books containing all files of a
publication.  Also, I know about the Shift+File click which shows
"Open all files in book" etc menu items.

So, to restate my question, is there a "silent option" to open files
created in a previous version in 7.x?

--
cheers,
Jakob.

PS: I guess one could save the old files in MIF, and load them in 7.x,
but how can this be automated?  DZBatcher?  Any other ideas?

Numbers in my book's ToC?

[Murray Moore]

I have created a paragraph numbering tag for each type of heading in my chapter 
ToC, e.g. toc12 is 

FM driving me crazy!

[Bill Swallow]

> I *wonder*, though, if this isn't really an artifact of generated files.
> I update the pagination which fixes the problem, but then I regenerate,
> which creates a new, "broken" file. I wonder if FM is simply not smart
> enough to generate an extra page when it regenerates the list of tables.
> Anyone know?

No, FM handles generated files just fine. Have you ever saved the TOC
to file before regenerating it? If not, try that. Other than that,
ensure your file and book pagination settings are both set to "make
page count even".

--
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
42.8162,-73.7736
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

I support Char James-Tanny for STC Secretary.

FM driving me crazy!

[Art Campbell]

First, check the internal pagination setting of the generated file and
make sure it's set to double-sided, not single sided.

Then check the pagination settings of the files that come before and
after it in the book; ideally they should all be set the same and at
the book level.

Also,

Art

On 1/24/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
> Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)
>
> I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has only
> one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format > Page Layout
> > Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank
> page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a
> single page.
>
> It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination from
> the book window, not from within the file itself.

--
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Numbers in my book's ToC?

[Lester C. Smalley]

On TOC reference page of the Table of Contents document, you can add the
<$paranum> or <$paranumonly> building blocks to the xxxTOC paragraphs
(e.g., Head1TOC) to extract the number of the specific item.

For example, you might have the Head1TOC paragraph as:  <$paranum>\
<$paratext>\T<$pagenum>
(where "\ " is a non-breaking space and "\T" is a tab character)

You won't see any change until you regenerate the TOC, but then the
number as shown in the individual file will be pulled into the TOC for
you.

On Wednesday, January 25, 2006 09:02 AM, Murray Moore wrote:

| I have created a paragraph numbering tag for each type of 
| heading in my chapter ToC, e.g. toc12 is 

Numbers in my book's ToC?

[Bernard Aschwanden]

In the reference page of the TOC find the code that looks like this:

<$paratext> <$pagenum>

Then add this to it:

<$paranum>

or

<$paranumonly>

where you feel it would do the most good :)

Likely you'll end up with this:

<$paranum> <$paratext> <$pagenum>

or

<$paranumonly> <$paratext> <$pagenum>


To make it easier to ID the right code, try this:

1. format the type of paragraph to change in the TOC (for example, Heading1TOC) 
to color=magenta
2. in the reference pages (view > reference page) find the magenta code (see 
above)
3. modify the code
4. view > body pages
5. switch to the book
6. update the book
7. review the magenta output (if correct, change color back, otherwise tweak 
again)



In a total and self promting way, consider getting Advanced FrameMaker (I have 
copies of the book) as there is a stellar, well thought out, well written, 
feature rich, intelligently designed (ha-ha) chapter just on generated files. 
Oh ya, I wrote that one :D

Hope that this helps out...

Bernard




-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Murray Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:02 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Murray Moore
Subject: Numbers in my book's ToC?

I have created a paragraph numbering tag for each type of heading in my chapter 
ToC, e.g. toc12 is 

Spam from India?

[John Huntington]

Did anyone else get this Framemaker Spam?  Did he harvest the names from 
this FrameUsers list?  

 Original Message 
Subject:FrameMaker
Date:   Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:49:58 +0530
From:   Aggarwal, Dhiraj 
To: XXX



Hi,

I apologize for intruding into your busy schedule. Please allow me to introduce 
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- Formatting of manuscripts (MS-Word, WordPerfect etc) 
- Graphic Design and Pre-Press jobs (including logo/book cover design) 
- Desktop Publishing (DTP) 
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- e-Books Creation (PDFs, MobiPocket etc) 
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This email has been sent expecting the information to be of use and benefit to 
you. In case you do not wish to receive
further emails from us, please send us an email with `REMOVE + your email 
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to you.

Spam from India?

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Hi John,

Hopefully the bulk of people respond directly to you and maybe you can let Lisa 
(and the list?) know the results... Just to avoid a flood of email as I'm sure 
that you're not the only one.

I did get that same email so let's hope that we can track it. In their defense, 
the content is pretty FM specific and they may not have bothered to look up the 
'rules' of posting/harvesting. Maybe it would have been better for them to just 
post to the list once though instead of emailing a collection of addresses.

Bernard


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of John Huntington
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:13 AM
To: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: Spam from India?

Did anyone else get this Framemaker Spam?  Did he harvest the names from this 
FrameUsers list?  

 Original Message 
Subject:FrameMaker
Date:   Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:49:58 +0530
From:   Aggarwal, Dhiraj 
To: XXX

Spam from India?

[Art Campbell]

Last fall, yes.

And thank you, gmail, for effective filtering.

Art

On 1/25/06, John Huntington  wrote:
> Did anyone else get this Framemaker Spam?  Did he harvest the names from
> this FrameUsers list?
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject:FrameMaker
> Date:   Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:49:58 +0530
> From:   Aggarwal, Dhiraj 
> To: XXX
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I apologize for intruding into your busy schedule. Please allow me to 
> introduce ourselves to you.
>
> We are engaged in providing typesetting, layout and related services to 
> international clientele
> (http://www.e-BookServices.com). Located in India, we cater to both 
> organizations as well as individuals.
>
> Our range of services include, but are not limited to:
> - Typesetting (FrameMaker, QuarkXPress, InDesign etc, in multiple languages)
> - Format conversion (eg. conversion from PageMaker to QuarkXPress, InDesign 
> etc, including cross-platform)
> - Formatting of manuscripts (MS-Word, WordPerfect etc)
> - Graphic Design and Pre-Press jobs (including logo/book cover design)
> - Desktop Publishing (DTP)
> - Keying-in, scanning and OCR (for re-prints, archives, web publishing etc)
> - e-Books Creation (PDFs, MobiPocket etc)
> - XML Conversion
>
> Many companies are now outsourcing their work to India. Not only do they 
> achieve substantial cost savings, but the
> availability of a large number of professionally trained personnel also 
> ensures a high quality of work. We can serve you
> efficiently and cost effectively, and deliver as per your customized needs.
>
> We are one of the leading Indian organizations in our field, and serve many 
> international organizations. For accomplishing
> jobs with us, a team of highly trained and dedicated professionals work at 
> our state-of-the-art facilities located in New
> Delhi, India.
>
> We understand the basic international business processes and ensure that all 
> projects undertaken by us are completed within
> the stipulated time period with complete confidentiality, accuracy, and 
> quality.
>
> For your first project you do not need to pay us a deposit. You can make the 
> entire payment after receiving satisfactory
> delivery of service.
>
> If you are interested in cutting your current costs to at least half, 
> increasing your profit margins without compromising
> on the quality and turn-around time, then please do get back to us. We will 
> be glad to send you a most competitive business
> proposal.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dhiraj Aggarwal
> Mobile: +(91) 98100 50809
> E-mail: info at e-BookServices.net , info at e-BookServices.com
> URL:  http://www.e-BookServices.com
>
> This email has been sent expecting the information to be of use and benefit 
> to you. In case you do not wish to receive
> further emails from us, please send us an email with `REMOVE + your email 
> address' in the subject line and we will remove
> your email address from our database. We apologize for the inconvenience 
> caused to you.
>
>
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--
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Spam from India?

[John Huntington]

Bernard Aschwanden wrote:
> Hi John, Hopefully the bulk of people respond directly to you and maybe you 
> can let Lisa (and the list?) know the results... Just to avoid a flood of 
> email as I'm sure that you're not the only one.

Yep, I've already gotten about 10 messages and it's about 50/50.  I 
personally view this as pure spam and I would think this guy should be 
barred from the list.   This is at best really annoying and I would 
actually say it's unethical.  I spend a lot of time working to avoid 
spam and if this list will allow anyone to harvest my email to send me 
an unsolicited message to outsource work to India, I'm going to have to 
(unfortunately) drop it.

John

Numbers in my book's ToC?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:08 am -0500 25/1/06, Bernard Aschwanden wrote:

>In a total and self promting way, consider getting Advanced FrameMaker (I have 
>copies of the book) as there is a stellar, well thought out, well written, 
>feature rich, intelligently designed (ha-ha) chapter just on generated files. 
>Oh ya, I wrote that one :D

...but not if you're in the UK. Murray, fortunately for him, is not.

This book retails at $49.99 (?28) in the US, but Amazon UK list only used 
copies that start at ?88.70 ($158).

Amusingly, the user books section of the Amazon US site lists two sources: one 
at $24.99, the other at $198.37.

Perhaps Amazon should vet its partners better.
-- 
Steve

FM driving me crazy!

[Combs, Richard]

Joe Malin wrote: 

> I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One 
> file has only one page in it. I set the pagination properties 
> in Format > Page Layout
> > Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank
> page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back 
> to a single page.

It's not necessary for all book components to have the same pagination,
as someone else suggested. But it _is_ necessary that they be logically
compatible. First, make sure all the book's files are set to Double
Sided. Then, check the 1st Page Side settings of the LOT, the file
preceding it, and the file following it -- are these settings consistent
with each other? 

You can't, for example, set the LOT to start on a right page, have an
even page count, and be followed by a file that starts on a left page.
If you do, FM has to ignore one of your settings, and I'm not sure which
one it will drop (maybe not the same one every time). 

And as someone else mentioned, after you generate/update, you _are_
saving all the files in the book, right? 

HTH!
Richard


--
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

Spam from India?

[John Huntington]

Fred Ridder wrote:
> That's an unrealistic attitude, John.
I think not,  I have been on literally 20+ lists since about 1987 and 
this is now the THIRD Spam message ever I have gotten from a mailing 
list.  In each of those other cases, the member was disciplined or 
removed.  If not, it just spirals out of control.

Also, every other list (including about a dozen Yahoo Groups that I run) 
munges the email addresses when posted for web consumption. 

If this is not the case with this list, I am gone.

John

Numbers in my book's ToC?

[Combs, Richard]

Murray Moore wrote: 

> I have created a paragraph numbering tag for each type of 
> heading in my chapter ToC, e.g. toc12 is 

Numbers in my book's ToC?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 9:28 am -0700 25/1/06, Combs, Richard wrote:

>If that's really true, you're doing something seriously wrong. The whole
>point of adding an autonumber to a paragraph tag definition is so that
>it will -- you know -- automatically have a number. Are you really
>manually adding numbers? If so, you don't have autonumbers, and you need
>to read pp. 113-122 of the User Guide.

It's just possible that Murray may be 'adding' the numbering to his TOC by 
defining autonumbers in the TOC's para tags, suggested by:

> > I have created a paragraph numbering tag for each type of
> > heading in my chapter ToC, e.g. toc12 is 

unavailable figures make Frame crash

[Jakob Fix]

Hello,

we have the following problem on a couple of machines, with different documents:

If, on opening a file with missing figures, the user chooses to skip
this (and possibly all other figures), Frame crashes.

Occurs on some machines, not all of them.  Frame is +SGML 5.5.6,
Windows is 2000 or XP.

Any ideas why, and how to fix this?  Thanks in advance.
--
cheers,
Jakob.

batch-upgrading documents 5.5.6 to 7.2?

[Scott Prentice]

Also .. FileTools has a "Force Open All Files in Book" command (just 
open the book and click the menu item) ..

http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/filetools.php

This isn't free, but does have a 30-day trial period which should be 
sufficient to convert all of your files.

Regards,

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Peter Gold wrote:

> Hi, Jakob:
>
> Yes, you can automate this process. Search Google for "DoBatch," and 
> "DZBatcher," two free utilities that work on Windows FM, like the 
> FM-unix utility, fmbatch.
>
> At 12:14 PM +0100 1/25/06, Jakob Fix wrote:
>
>>
>> So, to restate my question, is there a "silent option" to open files
>> created in a previous version in 7.x?
>
>
>

Spam from India?

[Peter Gold]

I just got one of these addressed to a long-gone former employee 
whose mail is routed to me. This person never posted to this list.

This makes it seem that perhaps the mail is being sent to addressees 
culled from multiple sources, such as company directories, Web sites, 
vendor listings, and perhaps even from results of search-engine 
searches.

-- 
Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
peter at knowhowpro.com

unavailable figures make Frame crash

[Shlomo Perets]

Jakob,

You wrote:

>we have the following problem on a couple of machines, with different 
>documents:
>
>If, on opening a file with missing figures, the user chooses to skip
>this (and possibly all other figures), Frame crashes.
>
>Occurs on some machines, not all of them.  Frame is +SGML 5.5.6,
>Windows is 2000 or XP.
>
>Any ideas why, and how to fix this?  Thanks in advance.

There is a known problem with FM6.0 or earlier used on Windows, causing 
crashes related to missing graphics.

A specific patch for FM6.0 is available for download from adobe.com:
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=1420

There is a FM5.5.6 patch for this problem, offered by Systec.
See http://www.systec-gmbh.com/en/sites/downloads_epub.htm -- "Patches and 
plug-ins", TOOLBOX plug-in for Adobe FrameMaker 5.5.6 under Windows XP 
(free download).
I'm not sure whether the patch applies to FM+SGML 5.5.6 as well.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers/Assistants
Template Design, Single Sourcing, FM-to-PDF & Technical Indexing seminars

unavailable figures make Frame crash

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Jakob,

This is a known bug with Frame 5.5.6 and 6 with Windows XP. There is a patch 
for 6 but I don't think there is one for 5.5.6.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hello,

we have the following problem on a couple of machines, with different 
documents:

If, on opening a file with missing figures, the user chooses to skip
this (and possibly all other figures), Frame crashes.

Occurs on some machines, not all of them.  Frame is +SGML 5.5.6,
Windows is 2000 or XP.

Any ideas why, and how to fix this?  Thanks in advance.
--
cheers,
Jakob.
___

FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

Yes, I've tried that. It works, but the next time I generate files, the setting 
goes back.

Joe 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not 
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.   

-Original Message-
From: Klaus Daube [mailto:d...@daube.ch] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:21 AM
To: Joe Malin
Subject: RE: FM driving me crazy!

On 24 Jan 2006 at 16:34, Joe Malin wrote:

> Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)
> 
> I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has 
> only one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format > Page 
> Layout > Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank 
> page.
> But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a single page.
> 
> It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination 
> from the book window, not from within the file itself.
> 
> This is unstructured FrameMaker.

Joe,

Have you tried to set these properties _in the book window_?

- select all the files you want to set up
- in Fromat > Page Layout > Pagination set 'make page count even'

=> The properties will be propageted to the individual files.

Hope this helps
Klaus Daube

Docu + Design Daube; Sch?racher 11; CH-8053 Z?rich Technical documentation & 
consultancy; On-line and paper
Phone:  +41-44-422 86 25  FAX: +41-44-422 82 78
E-mail: ddd at daube.ch Web: www.daube.ch/

FM driving me crazy!

[Art Campbell]

Are you saving the files after you change the setting, before you
update the second time.
And, is the List file set to double-sided pagination?

Art

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
> Yes, I've tried that. It works, but the next time I generate files, the 
> setting goes back.
>
> Joe

--
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list file is set to
double-sided in the Pagination dialog. 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:07 AM
To: Joe Malin
Cc: ddd at daube.ch; framers at frameusers.com; techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: Re: FM driving me crazy!

Are you saving the files after you change the setting, before you update
the second time.
And, is the List file set to double-sided pagination?

Art

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
> Yes, I've tried that. It works, but the next time I generate files,
the setting goes back.
>
> Joe

--
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

FM driving me crazy!

[Bill Swallow]

Save it. ;-)

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
> Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list file is set to
> double-sided in the Pagination dialog.

--
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
42.8162,-73.7736
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

I support Char James-Tanny for STC Secretary.

FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

I'm not sure if *this* was the suggestion that started things working,
but now they work. Thanks to everyone who replied! As a lone writer, I
absolutely depend on you for help, and you always come through... 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Swallow [mailto:techcommd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:40 AM
To: Joe Malin
Cc: Art Campbell; framers at frameusers.com; ddd at daube.ch;
techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: Re: FM driving me crazy!

Save it. ;-)

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
> Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list file is set 
> to double-sided in the Pagination dialog.

FM driving me crazy!

[Combs, Richard]

Joe Malin wrote:

> Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list 
> file is set to double-sided in the Pagination dialog. 
> 

Well, I hate to ask, but have you _ever_ saved the generated file(s), or
are you creating a new one each time you generate? 

If the latter, that would explain a lot of your problems. 

Richard


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Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

FM driving me crazy!

[Art Campbell]

Joe,
Any time you turn around, save the file. Changing the settings as you
did is the same as altering the text in the file. If you don't save,
you lose.

Cheers,
Art

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
> I'm not sure if *this* was the suggestion that started things working,
> but now they work. Thanks to everyone who replied! As a lone writer, I
> absolutely depend on you for help, and you always come through...

--
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

Oh yeah I save them. In fact, when I'm initially creating a generated
file, I do the trick of generating, saving, overwriting the file with my
own template file, and then regenerating. 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:50 AM
To: Joe Malin
Cc: framers at frameusers.com; techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: FM driving me crazy!

Joe Malin wrote:

> Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list file is set 
> to double-sided in the Pagination dialog.
> 

Well, I hate to ask, but have you _ever_ saved the generated file(s), or
are you creating a new one each time you generate? 

If the latter, that would explain a lot of your problems. 

Richard


--
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

Fw: OT: Framemaker for UNIX User's Guide, Release 5

[tammy.vanboen...@jeppesen.com]

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Aviation Courseware Development
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com
- Forwarded by Tammy VanBoening/Jeppesen/TMC on 01/25/2006 12:08 PM 
-

Tammy VanBoening/Jeppesen/TMC 
01/25/2006 12:07 PM

To
Framers, STC List
cc

Subject
OT: Framemaker for UNIX User's Guide, Release 5





All,

I have this guide in my possession from my days of using FM on UNIX. For a 
long time and for the forseeable future, it will be FM on Windows only for 
me, and as we all know, all of the User Guides for previous versions of FM 
are still enormously helpful and applicable. (Even tho' I am on 7.1, I 
found just what I needed in a FM for 6.0 guide). If anybody wants this, 
it's free for the taking - all you need to do is to make arrangements to 
pick it up or if you're too far away, pay for the postage. That's it. Just 
let me know and it's yours.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Aviation Courseware Development
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com

Gage vs. Gauge

[Chad LaCroix]

Jackie wondered:

"Does anyone have a very specific definition and set of examples that
differentiate GAGE and GAUGE?"

I'm no pro on this by any means but I found this by Googling and thought
that it might be applicable -->

"Gage, Gauge- Gauge is the spelling used in Great Britain but finds some use
in the U.S. It is chiefly found for nonlinear measurement instruments (fluid
gages, etc.). However, it is finding increased use for coordinate measuring
machines where it designates a device with a proportional range and some
form of indicator."

http://www.ticms.com/wizard/glossary.htm#G

HTH a lil'

~Chad

Gage vs. Gauge

[Grant Hogarth]

It also describes 
the interior diameter of a shotgun barrel ("12 gauge", "14 gauge")
the exterior diameter of an electrical wire ("16 gauge" "8 gauge")
NOTE: for both of these, the larger the number, the smaller the
actual dimension 
the spacing of track rails ("Narrow gauge", "broad gauge") 

Grant
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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Chad LaCroix
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:24 AM
To: Jackie Samuelson; framers at FrameUsers.com
Cc: techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: Gage vs. Gauge

Jackie wondered:

"Does anyone have a very specific definition and set of examples that
differentiate GAGE and GAUGE?"

I'm no pro on this by any means but I found this by Googling and thought
that it might be applicable -->

"Gage, Gauge- Gauge is the spelling used in Great Britain but finds some
use in the U.S. It is chiefly found for nonlinear measurement
instruments (fluid gages, etc.). However, it is finding increased use
for coordinate measuring machines where it designates a device with a
proportional range and some form of indicator."

http://www.ticms.com/wizard/glossary.htm#G

HTH a lil'

~Chad

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FM driving me crazy!

[Ridder, Fred]

FWIW, the technique I use and have disseminated to all the 
other writers in my group is this:
- in the same directory as your book file, make a copy of each 
  generated file template using the expected name (for example, 
  booknameTOC.fm and booknameLOF.fm)
- use the book file's "Add" menu to add the generation details
  (tags to collect, etc.) for each type of generated file; when 
  FrameMaker prompts you to update the book after adding 
  each of these file, decline that option.
- when all generated files have been added, update the book

It saves the time it takes to do the initial update/generate pass,
which can be substantial for large books or documents that 
have graphics pasted into them instead of referenced.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Malin
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:00 PM
To: Combs, Richard
Cc: framers at frameusers.com; techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: FM driving me crazy!

Oh yeah I save them. In fact, when I'm initially creating a generated
file, I do the trick of generating, saving, overwriting the file with my
own template file, and then regenerating. 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

[John Wilcox]

> -Original Message-
> From: John Wilcox
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:30 PM

> This came up as a possible style standards issue here.
...
> A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
> B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.

Of the 37 responses I got, 35 chose B or a variation thereof.

Most of those 35 were so adamant that I doubt they will be surprised at the
results, but I for one had no idea the vote would be so lop-sided.

All of the variations mentioned involved creating and using use-specific
char tags, such as BookTitle, VariableElement, NewTerm.

Two people said that using WebWorks, the bold and italic formatting would be
lost in the conversion, but I have not found this to be the case, at least
in WWEP.

Thanks to all who replied! As usual, the respondents comprise only a tiny
fraction of the list membership, but I suppose they give a pretty good
snapshot of actual usage.


_
Regards,
John Wilcox, Technical Writer
Zetron, Redmond

Two Frame Issues

[Doug]

When I click the Format menu option in FrameMaker, the Font, Size, and
Style options are available.  Obviously this can lead to applying
format overrides.  I believe someone has created a plug-in that will
disable and/or remove these options...can someone remind me what the
name of it is?

Also, sometimes when I use Notepad to edit my Maker.ini file, it
becomes corrupted.  The EOL markers seem to vanish, the whole thing
becomes a jumble, and Frame doesn't work properly until I restore an
uncorrupted version of the file.  What's up with this/

Thanks,

Doug

batch-upgrading documents 5.5.6 to 7.2?

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:14:44 +0100, Jakob Fix  
wrote:

>I guess one could save the old files in MIF, and load them in 7.x,
>but how can this be automated?  DZBatcher?  Any other ideas?

Sure.  Download the free demo version of Mif2Go:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm

Install it; you only need to copy the two plugin DLL files,
m2rbook.dll and m2gframe.dll, to the frame\fminit\plugins 
directory, and delete .cache there. (If you also want to try
Mif2Go itself, do the full install per the User's Guide.)

After you restart Frame, you'll see "Wash via MIF" in your
File menu.  If you shift-File, it does all files in the book.
Really fast.  Enjoy!

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Comparing WebWorks versions

[Anderson, Eileen]

My team is using structured FrameMaker v7.1, Sourcerer v1.11, and
WebWorks Publisher v7.0.6 to create single-source documents to output
for different audiences and media (including print, PDF, and HTML).

Ideally, we'd like to upgrade to the latest version of all software,
including FrameMaker v7.2 and WebWorks ePublisher Pro. However,
Sourcerer (which we absolutely rely on) does not yet support FrameMaker
v7.2.  So for now we'll stick with Frame v7.1.

Two of our team members are about to learn how to use WebWorks Publisher
Pro to create and modify templates. (Current team members know only how
to apply existing WWP templates.) However, at least one vendor I've
consulted no longer offers training on WebWorks Publisher Pro version 7;
it's simply too old. I'm wondering if we should upgrade to WebWorks
Publisher Pro 2003 or WebWorks ePublisher Pro.

There is one downside to upgrading: While our desktop publishers will
have WebWorks Publisher Pro, our authors will have only the WebWorks
Standard v7 that is included with purchase of FrameMaker. We previously
found that if we created templates in WWP Pro 2003, authors using WWP
Standard 7 couldn't output HTML using those templates. (That's why we
"downgraded" our WebWorks Pro licenses to version 7.) Having authors
capable of outputting their own HTML is a luxury for us, but not an
absolute need.

So, Framers, this is where I'd like to benefit from your experience and
advice.

- Have you used WebWorks ePublisher Pro? Do you find it offers
significant enhancements over prior versions of WebWorks Publisher Pro?
Is it compatible with FrameMaker version 7.1?
- Do you see a significant advantage in using WebWorks Publisher Pro
2003 as compared to WebWorks Publisher Pro version 7?
- Do you have other thoughts on our situation or lessons learned from
your experiences with different WebWorks Publisher versions?

Thanks!

- Eileen Anderson
Manager of Curriculum Editing & Desktop Publishing
T-Mobile Customer Care Learning & Development
eileen.anderson at t-mobile.com

Comparing WebWorks versions

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Eileen,

I recently used Sourcerer 1.11 with FrameMaker 7.2 and it worked fine.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

Ideally, we'd like to upgrade to the latest version of all software,
including FrameMaker v7.2 and WebWorks ePublisher Pro. However,
Sourcerer (which we absolutely rely on) does not yet support FrameMaker
v7.2.  So for now we'll stick with Frame v7.1.

AW: batch-upgrading documents 5.5.6 to 7.2?

[Reng, Winfried]

Hi,

> >So, to restate my question, is there a "silent option" to open files
> >created in a previous version in 7.x?

You might test Mif2Go. It has a feature to
"Wash via MIF" which works also on book files
and in demo mode. The description in the help
file is below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

Clean a single file

To clean a FrameMaker binary file: with the file open and active, on the 
FrameMaker File menu click Wash Via MIF. Mif2Go does the following:

1.  Saves the file as MIF with extension .tmb (for Temporary MIF Backup), 
to avoid conflict with any existing MIF file of the same name.
2.  Closes the file without saving.
3.  Opens the .tmb MIF file.
4.  Saves the .tmb MIF file as .fm.
5.  Deletes the .tmb MIF file.

Clean all files in a book

To clean all files in a FrameMaker book: with the book file active, hold down 
the Shift key, and on the FrameMaker File menu click Wash All Files in Book Via 
MIF. Mif2Go processes each file in the book as described for Wash Via MIF, 
afterward closing any file that was not open in the first place.

Back-up copies are saved first

If you have set up FrameMaker to save back-up files, when you "wash" files via 
MIF, Mif2Go saves the previous .fm or .book file as filename.backup.fm or 
filename.backup.book.