FM 7.2 updates

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Framers,

I just got a new PC, reinstalled FrameMaker 7.2 and looked at Adobes
site to get the latest updates. However, it seems that you cannot get
updates earlier than 7.2b144, and 7.2b144 requires that you have
7.2b128. Anyone knows how to deal with this?
Thanks!

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RE: FM 7.2 updates

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi, Yves,
 
Thanks, but that's what I tried to do. I got a message saying that the
7.2b144 update requires that you have 7.2b128 installed first (which I
don't).
 
Christiane
 



From: Yves Barbion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:24 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC)
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Subject: Re: FM 7.2 updates


Hi Christiane,
 
as far as I know, there are only two patches for FM 7.2. So just install
7.2b144 first and then 7.2p158 and you should be fine.
 
You can find 7.2p158 here:
 
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332
 
Kind regards
 



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On 9/13/07, Christiane Crety (CC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Hi Framers,

I just got a new PC, reinstalled FrameMaker 7.2 and looked at
Adobes
site to get the latest updates. However, it seems that you
cannot get 
updates earlier than 7.2b144, and 7.2b144 requires that you have
7.2b128. Anyone knows how to deal with this?
Thanks!

Best regards,

Christiane Crety
Technical Writer

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FW: FM 7.2 updates

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Oops, sorry! It seems the update (7.2b144) was installed after all, even
though I got the message that it couldn't! So now I'll go on to
7.2p158... :-)
Thanks!
 
Christiane



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Subject: Re: FM 7.2 updates


Hi Christiane,
 
as far as I know, there are only two patches for FM 7.2. So just install
7.2b144 first and then 7.2p158 and you should be fine.
 
You can find 7.2p158 here:
 
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332
 
Kind regards
 



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Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor



 
On 9/13/07, Christiane Crety (CC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Hi Framers,

I just got a new PC, reinstalled FrameMaker 7.2 and looked at
Adobes
site to get the latest updates. However, it seems that you
cannot get 
updates earlier than 7.2b144, and 7.2b144 requires that you have
7.2b128. Anyone knows how to deal with this?
Thanks!

Best regards,

Christiane Crety
Technical Writer

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First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Framers.

 

FM 8.0p277 on Windows XP.

Strange error when generating a pdf file from an FM book:

The first referenced graphic in the book becomes gray (like unresolved
graphics references) in the pdf, but not in FM.

It has nothing to do with the graphic itself. I can move the graphic
after the other graphics and it looks fine. I can put another graphic in
the first anchored frame, and the same problem occurs: it appears as a
gray box in the pdf. I can delete the first anchored frame and the new
first graphic turns gray. It is always the first referenced graphic in
the pdf that turns gray.

Has anyone else seen this behavior? Is there anything I can do to fix
it?

Thanks,

Christiane

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Frame closes when generating pdf

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Framers.

 

FM 8.0p277 on Windows XP.

I have a strange problem with one of my FM books: 

When I generate a pdf from this book, I get a popup saying Cannot
quit. But I didn't tell FM to quit! Then when I click OK (which is the
only option), I'm asked if I want to save my files. I can click
Cancel, so it's no big problem, but I'm just curious why this is
happening? Does anyone have an answer?

The pdf generates fine, so nothing wrong there...

 

Thanks,

Christiane

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RE: Frame closes when generating pdf

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Yes, I can reproduce it. I have only seen it with one of my FM books, and it 
happens everytime I generate a pdf from that book.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Johnson [mailto:chinask...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:29 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC)
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame closes when generating pdf

Good question. I have seen the same error in Frame 7.2 occasionally
when generating on-line help using WebWorks ePublisher, probably
during the printing/rasterization stage.

It indicates Frame is trying to close during the operation. In my case
it is not reproducible (doesn't happen very often). Can you reproduce
it on a particular Frame file or book?

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Christiane Crety (CC) c...@thrane.com wrote:
 Hi Framers.



 FM 8.0p277 on Windows XP.

 I have a strange problem with one of my FM books:

 When I generate a pdf from this book, I get a popup saying Cannot
 quit. But I didn't tell FM to quit! Then when I click OK (which is the
 only option), I'm asked if I want to save my files. I can click
 Cancel, so it's no big problem, but I'm just curious why this is
 happening? Does anyone have an answer?

 The pdf generates fine, so nothing wrong there...



 Thanks,

 Christiane

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RE: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Sorry! Here is some additional information:

 

Acrobat: Full version (Acrobat 9 Pro)

Adobe Distiller 9 (version 9.3.2163)

Driver: Adobe PDF converter

Method: Save as PDF

 

Usually this setup works fine for me, but I've had this error a couple
of times in different books.

 

- Christiane Crety

 

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:17 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray

 

Christiane Crety wrote:
 
 FM 8.0p277 on Windows XP.
 
 Strange error when generating a pdf file from an FM book:
 
 The first referenced graphic in the book becomes gray (like unresolved
 graphics references) in the pdf, but not in FM.
 
 It has nothing to do with the graphic itself. I can move the graphic
 after the other graphics and it looks fine. I can put another graphic
in
 the first anchored frame, and the same problem occurs: it appears as a
 gray box in the pdf. I can delete the first anchored frame and the new
 first graphic turns gray. It is always the first referenced graphic in
 the pdf that turns gray.

In order to provide meaningful suggestions, we need to know more
details, including:
Do you have the full version of Acrobat or do you have only the
Distiller bundled with FrameMaker? What version of Distiller and/or
Acrobat are you using?
What printer driver are you using? The Adobe PDF virtual printer that
gets installed in the FrameMaker install?
What method are you using to generate the PDF? Save As PDF? Print to
Adobe PDF virtual printer? Print to PostScript file then distill to
PDF?
-Fred Ridder
 
 

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RE: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

No it is not the same, I just tried printing to PS and then distilling
and that works fine! I guess that's what I'll have to do then :-)

-Christiane

-Original Message-
From: Steve Johnson [mailto:chinask...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:05 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC)
Cc: Fred Ridder; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray

Is it the same if you print to PS and distill the PS?

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Christiane Crety (CC) c...@thrane.com
wrote:
 Sorry! Here is some additional information:



 Acrobat: Full version (Acrobat 9 Pro)

 Adobe Distiller 9 (version 9.3.2163)

 Driver: Adobe PDF converter

 Method: Save as PDF



 Usually this setup works fine for me, but I've had this error a couple
 of times in different books.



 - Christiane Crety



 From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:17 PM
 To: Christiane Crety (CC); framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray



 Christiane Crety wrote:

 FM 8.0p277 on Windows XP.

 Strange error when generating a pdf file from an FM book:

 The first referenced graphic in the book becomes gray (like
unresolved
 graphics references) in the pdf, but not in FM.

 It has nothing to do with the graphic itself. I can move the graphic
 after the other graphics and it looks fine. I can put another graphic
 in
 the first anchored frame, and the same problem occurs: it appears as
a
 gray box in the pdf. I can delete the first anchored frame and the
new
 first graphic turns gray. It is always the first referenced graphic
in
 the pdf that turns gray.

 In order to provide meaningful suggestions, we need to know more
 details, including:
 Do you have the full version of Acrobat or do you have only the
 Distiller bundled with FrameMaker? What version of Distiller and/or
 Acrobat are you using?
 What printer driver are you using? The Adobe PDF virtual printer
that
 gets installed in the FrameMaker install?
 What method are you using to generate the PDF? Save As PDF? Print to
 Adobe PDF virtual printer? Print to PostScript file then distill to
 PDF?
 -Fred Ridder



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RE: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Art.

I downloaded the hotfix, but that didn't help. If I print to PS and then
run it through the Distiller it works fine. So that's what I'll do for
now...

Thanks for your advice though!

 

-And by the way: The other problem I had with FrameMaker wanting to quit
when I generate pdf disappeared all of a sudden yesterday. I can't think
of anything I've done that should make a difference (this was before I
installed the hotfix), but the problem is gone...

J

-Christiane

 

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Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:19 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC)
Cc: dr_go...@pobox.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray

 

Because you're on XP, it'd be a good idea to install Microsoft's Hotfix
for PostScript printer issues. 
It addresses a number of issues in addition to the ones listed, so in
general it would be a great idea (IMHO, of course).
 
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=952909

Art

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On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Christiane Crety (CC) c...@thrane.com
wrote:

No it is not the same, I just tried printing to PS and then distilling
and that works fine! I guess that's what I'll have to do then :-)

-Christiane


-Original Message-
From: Steve Johnson [mailto:chinask...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:05 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC)

Cc: Fred Ridder; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray

Is it the same if you print to PS and distill the PS?

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Christiane Crety (CC) c...@thrane.com
wrote:

 Sorry! Here is some additional information:



 Acrobat: Full version (Acrobat 9 Pro)

 Adobe Distiller 9 (version 9.3.2163)

 Driver: Adobe PDF converter

 Method: Save as PDF



 Usually this setup works fine for me, but I've had this error a couple
 of times in different books.



 - Christiane Crety



 From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:17 PM
 To: Christiane Crety (CC); framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray



 Christiane Crety wrote:

 FM 8.0p277 on Windows XP.

 Strange error when generating a pdf file from an FM book:

 The first referenced graphic in the book becomes gray (like
unresolved
 graphics references) in the pdf, but not in FM.

 It has nothing to do with the graphic itself. I can move the graphic
 after the other graphics and it looks fine. I can put another graphic
 in
 the first anchored frame, and the same problem occurs: it appears as
a
 gray box in the pdf. I can delete the first anchored frame and the
new
 first graphic turns gray. It is always the first referenced graphic
in
 the pdf that turns gray.

 In order to provide meaningful suggestions, we need to know more
 details, including:
 Do you have the full version of Acrobat or do you have only the
 Distiller bundled with FrameMaker? What version of Distiller and/or
 Acrobat are you using?
 What printer driver are you using? The Adobe PDF virtual printer
that
 gets installed in the FrameMaker install?
 What method are you using to generate the PDF? Save As PDF? Print to
 Adobe PDF virtual printer? Print to PostScript file then distill to
 PDF?
 -Fred Ridder



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Conditionalized cross-references

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Framers.
Windows XP SP3, FrameMaker 8.0p277.
We have a strange problem with our cross-references when they are made 
conditional.
The definition of the cross-reference is: Italic$paratextDefault ¶ Font 
on page\ $pagenum
It seems the Default ¶ Font makes the text unconditional, i.e. the text from 
on page is unconditional although the whole cross-reference should be 
conditional.
Is there any way we can avoid this behavior?
Thanks in advance!

Best regards,
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Slash in dialog boxes become bullets in pdf

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Framers,
Windows XP, Frame 8.0p277, unstructured.
Thanks for the replies to my e-mail about conditionalized cross-references - 
that one is still not solved, unfortunately :(.
Now I have a new problem: When I type a slash (/) in a dialog box, it comes out 
as a bullet in my pdf. I have seen it in my index and in a variable. One 
strange thing though: My variable is OK in headings, but in body text the 
slashes come out as bullets in the pdf. In my Frame files everything looks OK.
Any ideas/suggestions how I can avoid this? (I tried putting a backslash before 
the slash, but that didn't change anything)

Thanks,
Christiane
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RE: Slash in dialog boxes become bullets in pdf

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

OK, here are some more details:

* FrameMaker 8.0p277, unstructured

* Types of dialog boxes: Variable definitions and Index marker text.

* My variable format definition: SAILOR 6120/30/40/50 (just text, no 
character formats or anything)

* I think my index entry was I/O connector or something similar

* The font is a special company font (Type 1)

* I don't get any missing fonts messages in FrameMaker

* Another thing: I tried experimenting a bit. When the paragraph format 
had Weight = Bold, the problem was not there (that was the reason why my 
headings were OK). But since I can't have all my variables in bold,  I tried 
changing the variable definition with commas instead of slashes. Then I changed 
it back to slashes, and now the problem is gone! Exactly the same definition as 
before, but now I don't see the problem. Only trouble is: I am not very 
confident that the problem won't come back...
Regards,
Christiane

From: Roger Shuttleworth [mailto:rshuttlewo...@avbasesystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:32 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC)
Subject: Re: Slash in dialog boxes become bullets in pdf

Hi Christiane

You certainly are discovering some weird phenomena! It would help if you could 
give concrete examples, though. Can you post (to the list):
what version of FrameMaker
which dialog boxes you are referring to
the exact format for your variable
the character format definitions used in your variable, if any
what exactly you typed for your index entry
what fonts you are using, and the type (e.g. OpenType, Type 1, etc.)
whether you get any missing fonts messages in the  FM console

These details would help immensely in trying to help you.

Regards,
Roger

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Documentation
AV-BASE Systems Inc.
1000 Air Ontario Drive, Suite 200
London, Ontario
N5V 3S4
Tel. 519 691-0919 ext. 330

From: Christiane Crety (CC) [mailto:c...@thrane.com]
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com]
Sent: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:58:00 -0500
Subject: Slash in dialog boxes become bullets in pdf

Hi Framers,
Windows XP, Frame 8.0p277, unstructured.
Thanks for the replies to my e-mail about conditionalized cross-references - 
that one is still not solved, unfortunately :(.
Now I have a new problem: When I type a slash (/) in a dialog box, it comes out 
as a bullet in my pdf. I have seen it in my index and in a variable. One 
strange thing though: My variable is OK in headings, but in body text the 
slashes come out as bullets in the pdf. In my Frame files everything looks OK.
Any ideas/suggestions how I can avoid this? (I tried putting a backslash before 
the slash, but that didn't change anything)

Thanks,
Christiane
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Re: Adding a Blank Page Before/After Book Cover

[Christiane Crety \(CC\)]

Hi Angela,

I get a separate pdf from our Marketing dep. containing the front page for my 
manual. 
Here is how I do it:
1. Put an empty page in my FM file where the front page should be.
2. Create the pdf.
3. Open the manual pdf in Acrobat (Standard).
4. Put the cursor in the first page.
5. Select Document  Pages  Replace.
6. Browse to my front page pdf and insert it.

This way I keep the numbering of pages correct. You should be able to do the 
same with your back cover.

If you need to have a completely blank page, you could place a dedicated 
paragraph format on the page. Then in your reference page, assign your blank 
master page to this paragraph format. This way the blank master page will not 
be overwritten by the default Left/Right master pages, but will stay there 
through all your updates.

Hope this helps!

/Christiane

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Unavailable font

[Christiane Crety \(CC\)]

Hi,

 

I am using Save as pdf for an FM 7.2 book. 

I am wondering why each time I save as pdf the FrameMaker Console says:

The Times Font is not available.Times New Roman will be used in
this session.

As far as I know I am not using Times in my FM book. Where could this be
coming from? I have used Find Character Format to search for the font,
but have not found it. I have also used the Find function in Master
pages and Reference pages with no success.

This is not a showstopper, of cause, but just a small annoyance. 

Anybody have any idea where this could come from?

 

Thanks!

 

Christiane

 

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Unavailable font - solved

[Christiane Crety \(CC\)]

Thanks for your help everybody.

The font turned out to be hidden in a graphic frame, as Fred Ridder
suggested. I cleaned up all my graphic frames and next time I generated
a pdf no FM Console appeared!

Thanks again...

 

Christiane 

 

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RE: Unavailable font - not so solved ;-)

[Christiane Crety \(CC\)]

Hi all,

It seems I was a bit to fast there - my problem was only solved until
next restart of FrameMaker! Sorry about that...
I guess I'll just leave it at that.

Best regards,

Christiane

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To: Christiane Crety (CC)
Subject: Re: Unavailable font - solved

How did you find it?


On 1 Beal 2006, at 4:13 am, Christiane Crety ((CC)) wrote:

 Thanks for your help everybody.

 The font turned out to be hidden in a graphic frame, as Fred Ridder
 suggested. I cleaned up all my graphic frames and next time I
generated
 a pdf no FM Console appeared!

 Thanks again...



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CMYK/RGB conversion

[Christiane Crety \(CC\)]

Hi Framers,

Using FM 7.2 and Distiller 7.0 to create pdf for print.
I have some trouble trying to figure out how to cope with the convert to RGB 
problem with FrameMaker.
When I generate pdf files from FrameMaker, some of the colors are converted to 
RGB.
If I select the Distiller option Convert all colors to CMYK I avoid the RGB, 
but the colors are not defined the way they were in FM. For example, my black 
text is 
C=0%, M=0%, Y=0%, K=100% in FrameMaker, but 
C=74.9%, M=67.8%, Y=67.1% and K=90.2% in the pdf file.

I know there are also tools that can convert to CMYK after creating the pdf 
file, but I would really prefer it if the Distiller could take care of it...

Does anyone know how to keep the original CMYK values in the pdf output? I'm 
pulling my hair out

Thanks in advance!


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RE: CMYK/RGB conversion

[Christiane Crety \(CC\)]

Thanks Richard - I was afraid that would be the case!

I guess I was just hoping there would be some magic Distiller setting
that could bring back my CMYK ;-) At least I would think that an
absolute color like black should be easily converted to RGB and back
to CMYK. When I select Leave color unchanged in the Distiller the RGB
color is R=0%, G=0%, B=0% as it should be - so it is the conversion back
to CMYK that I can't get right...

What I don't understand is how other people cope with this? There must
be at least a million people out there who need to deliver all CMYK
documents to their print shop?

Best regards,

Christiane




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From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 7. november 2006 19:16
To: Christiane Crety (CC); Framers@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: CMYK/RGB conversion 

Christiane Crety wrote:
 
 I know there are also tools that can convert to CMYK after 
 creating the pdf file, but I would really prefer it if the 
 Distiller could take care of it...
 
 Does anyone know how to keep the original CMYK values in the 
 pdf output? I'm pulling my hair out

I'm not an expert, but I haven't seen any other responses, so here's my
(limited) understanding of this issue: 

You can't stay in the CMYK color space on a Windows machine because FM
doesn't have its own print engine -- it uses the Windows GDI (even to
print to Distiller). That means everything except EPS graphics (and
maybe imported PDFs) is converted to RGB first. 

The conversion from RGB back to CMYK is of necessity not perfect --
although the values you cite strike me as unusually far off. Maybe
someone knows what settings will get you closer. 

But I suspect you really need those post-processing tools you'd prefer
to avoid. :-}

HTH!
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RE: CMYK/RGB conversion

[Christiane Crety \(CC\)]

Thanks a lot, Martin! 
You were right about my printer settings. I changed them and it did make a 
difference. However, when I check the text color, it is not defined as CMYK, 
but as Grey 0%. Could it be my Distiller settings that are not correct? Or is 
the Grey 0% really the same as K=0? 
I'm not exactly an expert on colors, as you may have noticed. But I would 
really like to understand the basics, so that I can get my settings right for 
the print shop.

Thanks again.

Christiane


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From: Aronsson, Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 8. november 2006 11:53
To: Christiane Crety (CC); Framers@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: CMYK/RGB conversion 

Christiane,

I assume you use Windows and that you print your Framemaker-book to PostScript 
via an installed PostScript printer.
In Control Panel, right click the PostScript printer and choose Properties - 
Device Settings. Make sure Convert Gray Text to PostScript Gray and Convert 
Gray Graphics to PostScript Gray are set to Yes. If they were set to No, I 
think this is what is causing the problem with your black text getting 
converted to RGB. Changing it to Yes should prevent this. I have those options 
set to Yes and black text is correctly preserved as K=100% from Frame to PDF 
(while all other use of colours in text-elements gets converted to RGB).

More info on this:
True gray support options for both vector graphics and text. Defaulted to 
no values, when set to yes the Convert Gray Text to PostScript Gray and 
Convert Gray Graphics to PostScript Gray assume that for all text and vector 
graphics objects respectively, color values in which the red (R), green (G), 
and blue (B) values match are really an expression of grayscale as opposed to 
RGB color. The default no results in those RGB values passed through to the 
printer or Distiller as-is. The yes value can dramatically improve output 
quality for black and grayscale text and vector graphics for PostScript color 
printers that do not automatically make assumptions about and convert R=G=B 
values to K values. The yes value also assists in creating prepress-friendly 
PostScript and PDF from applications that do not generate their own PostScript 
(including Adobe FrameMaker, Microsoft Office, and other popular office suite 
and productivity programs). [I recommend that users always set these values to 
yes - Dov.]
Source: http://www.planetpdf.com/mainpage.asp?webpageid=1509

Good luck,
/Martin

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 Subject: CMYK/RGB conversion 
 
 Hi Framers,
 
 Using FM 7.2 and Distiller 7.0 to create pdf for print.
 I have some trouble trying to figure out how to cope with the 
 convert to RGB problem with FrameMaker.
 When I generate pdf files from FrameMaker, some of the colors 
 are converted to RGB.
 If I select the Distiller option Convert all colors to CMYK 
 I avoid the RGB, but the colors are not defined the way they 
 were in FM. For example, my black text is C=0%, M=0%, Y=0%, 
 K=100% in FrameMaker, but C=74.9%, M=67.8%, Y=67.1% and 
 K=90.2% in the pdf file.
 
 I know there are also tools that can convert to CMYK after 
 creating the pdf file, but I would really prefer it if the 
 Distiller could take care of it...
 
 Does anyone know how to keep the original CMYK values in the 
 pdf output? I'm pulling my hair out
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
 
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 Technical Writer
 
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RE: CMYK/RGB conversion

[Christiane Crety \(CC\)]

Hi Martin,

I'm glad to hear that. I'll continue with these settings and see how it
works out...
Thanks again!

Christiane

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From: Aronsson, Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 9. november 2006 10:04
To: Christiane Crety (CC); Framers@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: CMYK/RGB conversion 

Hi again,

I'm glad it was of help to you Christiane. I double-checked here on my
files again and when checking the black text elements in the Preflight
tool Enfocus Pitstop, it is reported as (as you say) Gray with 0%
Brightness. Although when using the Output Preview advanced function
in Acrobat 7 Pro itself, the same elements are reported as Process
Black 100% (when holding the mouse pointer over those elements). I
don't do any color conversion in the Distiller settings.

I don't know why it is reported with different names in the two tools
(maybe someone else can explain this?), but I am almost sure it wont
create any problems in the printing process anyway.

/Martin

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First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Framers.



FM 8.0p277 on Windows XP.

Strange error when generating a pdf file from an FM book:

The first referenced graphic in the book becomes gray (like unresolved
graphics references) in the pdf, but not in FM.

It has nothing to do with the graphic itself. I can move the graphic
after the other graphics and it looks fine. I can put another graphic in
the first anchored frame, and the same problem occurs: it appears as a
gray box in the pdf. I can delete the first anchored frame and the new
first graphic turns gray. It is always the first referenced graphic in
the pdf that turns gray.

Has anyone else seen this behavior? Is there anything I can do to fix
it?

Thanks,

Christiane

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Frame closes when generating pdf

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Framers.



FM 8.0p277 on Windows XP.

I have a strange problem with one of my FM books: 

When I generate a pdf from this book, I get a popup saying "Cannot
quit". But I didn't tell FM to quit! Then when I click OK (which is the
only option), I'm asked if I want to save my files. I can click
"Cancel", so it's no big problem, but I'm just curious why this is
happening? Does anyone have an answer?

The pdf generates fine, so nothing wrong there...



Thanks,

Christiane

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Frame closes when generating pdf

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Yes, I can reproduce it. I have only seen it with one of my FM books, and it 
happens everytime I generate a pdf from that book.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Johnson [mailto:chinask...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:29 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC)
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame closes when generating pdf

Good question. I have seen the same error in Frame 7.2 occasionally
when generating on-line help using WebWorks ePublisher, probably
during the printing/rasterization stage.

It indicates Frame is trying to close during the operation. In my case
it is not reproducible (doesn't happen very often). Can you reproduce
it on a particular Frame file or book?

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Christiane Crety (CC)  wrote:
> Hi Framers.
>
>
>
> FM 8.0p277 on Windows XP.
>
> I have a strange problem with one of my FM books:
>
> When I generate a pdf from this book, I get a popup saying "Cannot
> quit". But I didn't tell FM to quit! Then when I click OK (which is the
> only option), I'm asked if I want to save my files. I can click
> "Cancel", so it's no big problem, but I'm just curious why this is
> happening? Does anyone have an answer?
>
> The pdf generates fine, so nothing wrong there...
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Christiane
>
> Christiane Crety
> Technical Writer
>
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> E cc at thrane.com <mailto:xxx at thrane.com>
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First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Sorry! Here is some additional information:



Acrobat: Full version (Acrobat 9 Pro)

Adobe Distiller 9 (version 9.3.2163)

Driver: Adobe PDF converter

Method: Save as PDF



Usually this setup works fine for me, but I've had this error a couple
of times in different books.



- Christiane Crety



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:17 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC); framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray



Christiane Crety wrote:

> FM 8.0p277 on Windows XP.
> 
> Strange error when generating a pdf file from an FM book:
> 
> The first referenced graphic in the book becomes gray (like unresolved
> graphics references) in the pdf, but not in FM.
> 
> It has nothing to do with the graphic itself. I can move the graphic
> after the other graphics and it looks fine. I can put another graphic
in
> the first anchored frame, and the same problem occurs: it appears as a
> gray box in the pdf. I can delete the first anchored frame and the new
> first graphic turns gray. It is always the first referenced graphic in
> the pdf that turns gray.

In order to provide meaningful suggestions, we need to know more
details, including:
Do you have the full version of Acrobat or do you have only the
Distiller bundled with FrameMaker? What version of Distiller and/or
Acrobat are you using?
What printer driver are you using? The "Adobe PDF" virtual printer that
gets installed in the FrameMaker install?
What method are you using to generate the PDF? Save As PDF? Print to
"Adobe PDF" virtual printer? Print to PostScript file then distill to
PDF?
-Fred Ridder

First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

No it is not the same, I just tried printing to PS and then distilling
and that works fine! I guess that's what I'll have to do then :-)

-Christiane

-Original Message-
From: Steve Johnson [mailto:chinask...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:05 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC)
Cc: Fred Ridder; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray

Is it the same if you print to PS and distill the PS?

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Christiane Crety (CC) 
wrote:
> Sorry! Here is some additional information:
>
>
>
> Acrobat: Full version (Acrobat 9 Pro)
>
> Adobe Distiller 9 (version 9.3.2163)
>
> Driver: Adobe PDF converter
>
> Method: Save as PDF
>
>
>
> Usually this setup works fine for me, but I've had this error a couple
> of times in different books.
>
>
>
> - Christiane Crety
>
>
>
> From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:17 PM
> To: Christiane Crety (CC); framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray
>
>
>
> Christiane Crety wrote:
>
>> FM 8.0p277 on Windows XP.
>>
>> Strange error when generating a pdf file from an FM book:
>>
>> The first referenced graphic in the book becomes gray (like
unresolved
>> graphics references) in the pdf, but not in FM.
>>
>> It has nothing to do with the graphic itself. I can move the graphic
>> after the other graphics and it looks fine. I can put another graphic
> in
>> the first anchored frame, and the same problem occurs: it appears as
a
>> gray box in the pdf. I can delete the first anchored frame and the
new
>> first graphic turns gray. It is always the first referenced graphic
in
>> the pdf that turns gray.
>
> In order to provide meaningful suggestions, we need to know more
> details, including:
> Do you have the full version of Acrobat or do you have only the
> Distiller bundled with FrameMaker? What version of Distiller and/or
> Acrobat are you using?
> What printer driver are you using? The "Adobe PDF" virtual printer
that
> gets installed in the FrameMaker install?
> What method are you using to generate the PDF? Save As PDF? Print to
> "Adobe PDF" virtual printer? Print to PostScript file then distill to
> PDF?
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First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Art.

I downloaded the hotfix, but that didn't help. If I print to PS and then
run it through the Distiller it works fine. So that's what I'll do for
now...

Thanks for your advice though!



-And by the way: The other problem I had with FrameMaker wanting to quit
when I generate pdf disappeared all of a sudden yesterday. I can't think
of anything I've done that should make a difference (this was before I
installed the hotfix), but the problem is gone...

J

-Christiane



From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:19 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC)
Cc: dr_gonzo at pobox.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray



Because you're on XP, it'd be a good idea to install Microsoft's Hotfix
for PostScript printer issues. 
It addresses a number of issues in addition to the ones listed, so in
general it would be a great idea (IMHO, of course).

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=952909

Art

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On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Christiane Crety (CC) 
wrote:

No it is not the same, I just tried printing to PS and then distilling
and that works fine! I guess that's what I'll have to do then :-)

-Christiane


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Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:05 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC)

Cc: Fred Ridder; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray

Is it the same if you print to PS and distill the PS?

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Christiane Crety (CC) 
wrote:

> Sorry! Here is some additional information:
>
>
>
> Acrobat: Full version (Acrobat 9 Pro)
>
> Adobe Distiller 9 (version 9.3.2163)
>
> Driver: Adobe PDF converter
>
> Method: Save as PDF
>
>
>
> Usually this setup works fine for me, but I've had this error a couple
> of times in different books.
>
>
>
> - Christiane Crety
>
>
>
> From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:17 PM
> To: Christiane Crety (CC); framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: First referenced graphic in pdf turns gray
>
>
>
> Christiane Crety wrote:
>
>> FM 8.0p277 on Windows XP.
>>
>> Strange error when generating a pdf file from an FM book:
>>
>> The first referenced graphic in the book becomes gray (like
unresolved
>> graphics references) in the pdf, but not in FM.
>>
>> It has nothing to do with the graphic itself. I can move the graphic
>> after the other graphics and it looks fine. I can put another graphic
> in
>> the first anchored frame, and the same problem occurs: it appears as
a
>> gray box in the pdf. I can delete the first anchored frame and the
new
>> first graphic turns gray. It is always the first referenced graphic
in
>> the pdf that turns gray.
>
> In order to provide meaningful suggestions, we need to know more
> details, including:
> Do you have the full version of Acrobat or do you have only the
> Distiller bundled with FrameMaker? What version of Distiller and/or
> Acrobat are you using?
> What printer driver are you using? The "Adobe PDF" virtual printer
that
> gets installed in the FrameMaker install?
> What method are you using to generate the PDF? Save As PDF? Print to
> "Adobe PDF" virtual printer? Print to PostScript file then distill to
> PDF?
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FM 7.2 updates

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Framers,

I just got a new PC, reinstalled FrameMaker 7.2 and looked at Adobes
site to get the latest updates. However, it seems that you cannot get
updates earlier than 7.2b144, and 7.2b144 requires that you have
7.2b128. Anyone knows how to deal with this?
Thanks!

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FM 7.2 updates

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi, Yves,

Thanks, but that's what I tried to do. I got a message saying that the
7.2b144 update requires that you have 7.2b128 installed first (which I
don't).

Christiane




From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:24 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC)
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 7.2 updates


Hi Christiane,

as far as I know, there are only two patches for FM 7.2. So just install
7.2b144 first and then 7.2p158 and you should be fine.

You can find 7.2p158 here:

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332

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On 9/13/07, Christiane Crety (CC)  wrote: 

Hi Framers,

I just got a new PC, reinstalled FrameMaker 7.2 and looked at
Adobes
site to get the latest updates. However, it seems that you
cannot get 
updates earlier than 7.2b144, and 7.2b144 requires that you have
7.2b128. Anyone knows how to deal with this?
Thanks!

Best regards,

Christiane Crety
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FW: FM 7.2 updates

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Oops, sorry! It seems the update (7.2b144) was installed after all, even
though I got the message that it couldn't! So now I'll go on to
7.2p158... :-)
Thanks!

Christiane



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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:24 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC)
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Subject: Re: FM 7.2 updates


Hi Christiane,

as far as I know, there are only two patches for FM 7.2. So just install
7.2b144 first and then 7.2p158 and you should be fine.

You can find 7.2p158 here:

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332

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On 9/13/07, Christiane Crety (CC)  wrote: 

Hi Framers,

I just got a new PC, reinstalled FrameMaker 7.2 and looked at
Adobes
site to get the latest updates. However, it seems that you
cannot get 
updates earlier than 7.2b144, and 7.2b144 requires that you have
7.2b128. Anyone knows how to deal with this?
Thanks!

Best regards,

Christiane Crety
Technical Writer

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E cc at thrane.com <mailto:xxx at thrane.com>

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Unavailable font

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi,



I am using "Save as pdf" for an FM 7.2 book. 

I am wondering why each time I save as pdf the FrameMaker Console says:

"The "Times" Font is not available."Times New Roman" will be used in
this session."

As far as I know I am not using Times in my FM book. Where could this be
coming from? I have used "Find Character Format" to search for the font,
but have not found it. I have also used the Find function in Master
pages and Reference pages with no success.

This is not a showstopper, of cause, but just a small annoyance. 

Anybody have any idea where this could come from?



Thanks!



Christiane



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Adding a Blank Page Before/After Book Cover

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Angela,

I get a separate pdf from our Marketing dep. containing the front page for my 
manual. 
Here is how I do it:
1. Put an empty page in my FM file where the front page should be.
2. Create the pdf.
3. Open the manual pdf in Acrobat (Standard).
4. Put the cursor in the first page.
5. Select Document > Pages > Replace.
6. Browse to my front page pdf and insert it.

This way I keep the numbering of pages correct. You should be able to do the 
same with your back cover.

If you need to have a completely blank page, you could place a dedicated 
paragraph format on the page. Then in your reference page, assign your blank 
master page to this paragraph format. This way the blank master page will not 
be overwritten by the default Left/Right master pages, but will stay there 
through all your updates.

Hope this helps!

/Christiane

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Unavailable font - not so solved ;-)

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi all,

It seems I was a bit to fast there - my problem was only solved until
next restart of FrameMaker! Sorry about that...
I guess I'll just leave it at that.

Best regards,

Christiane

-Original Message-
From: obair [mailto:obai...@comcast.net] 
Sent: 1. maj 2006 14:51
To: Christiane Crety (CC)
Subject: Re: Unavailable font - solved

How did you find it?


On 1 Beal 2006, at 4:13 am, Christiane Crety ((CC)) wrote:

> Thanks for your help everybody.
>
> The font turned out to be hidden in a graphic frame, as Fred Ridder
> suggested. I cleaned up all my graphic frames and next time I
generated
> a pdf no FM Console appeared!
>
> Thanks again...
>
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Unavailable font - solved

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Thanks for your help everybody.

The font turned out to be hidden in a graphic frame, as Fred Ridder
suggested. I cleaned up all my graphic frames and next time I generated
a pdf no FM Console appeared!

Thanks again...



Christiane 



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CMYK/RGB conversion

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Framers,

Using FM 7.2 and Distiller 7.0 to create pdf for print.
I have some trouble trying to figure out how to cope with the "convert to RGB" 
problem with FrameMaker.
When I generate pdf files from FrameMaker, some of the colors are converted to 
RGB.
If I select the Distiller option "Convert all colors to CMYK" I avoid the RGB, 
but the colors are not defined the way they were in FM. For example, my black 
text is 
C=0%, M=0%, Y=0%, K=100% in FrameMaker, but 
C=74.9%, M=67.8%, Y=67.1% and K=90.2% in the pdf file.

I know there are also tools that can convert to CMYK after creating the pdf 
file, but I would really prefer it if the Distiller could take care of it...

Does anyone know how to keep the original CMYK values in the pdf output? I'm 
pulling my hair out

Thanks in advance!


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CMYK/RGB conversion

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Thanks Richard - I was afraid that would be the case!

I guess I was just hoping there would be some magic Distiller setting
that could bring back my CMYK ;-) At least I would think that an
"absolute" color like black should be easily converted to RGB and back
to CMYK. When I select "Leave color unchanged" in the Distiller the RGB
color is R=0%, G=0%, B=0% as it should be - so it is the conversion back
to CMYK that I can't get right...

What I don't understand is how other people cope with this? There must
be at least a million people out there who need to deliver "all CMYK"
documents to their print shop?

Best regards,

Christiane




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From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: 7. november 2006 19:16
To: Christiane Crety (CC); Framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: CMYK/RGB conversion 

Christiane Crety wrote:

> I know there are also tools that can convert to CMYK after 
> creating the pdf file, but I would really prefer it if the 
> Distiller could take care of it...
> 
> Does anyone know how to keep the original CMYK values in the 
> pdf output? I'm pulling my hair out

I'm not an expert, but I haven't seen any other responses, so here's my
(limited) understanding of this issue: 

You can't stay in the CMYK color space on a Windows machine because FM
doesn't have its own print engine -- it uses the Windows GDI (even to
"print" to Distiller). That means everything except EPS graphics (and
maybe imported PDFs) is converted to RGB first. 

The conversion from RGB back to CMYK is of necessity not perfect --
although the values you cite strike me as unusually far off. Maybe
someone knows what settings will get you closer. 

But I suspect you really need those post-processing tools you'd prefer
to avoid. :-}

HTH!
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CMYK/RGB conversion

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Thanks a lot, Martin! 
You were right about my printer settings. I changed them and it did make a 
difference. However, when I check the text color, it is not defined as CMYK, 
but as "Grey 0%". Could it be my Distiller settings that are not correct? Or is 
the "Grey 0%" really the same as K=0? 
I'm not exactly an expert on colors, as you may have noticed. But I would 
really like to understand the basics, so that I can get my settings right for 
the print shop.

Thanks again.

Christiane


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From: Aronsson, Martin [mailto:martin.arons...@sonyericsson.com] 
Sent: 8. november 2006 11:53
To: Christiane Crety (CC); Framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: CMYK/RGB conversion 

Christiane,

I assume you use Windows and that you print your Framemaker-book to PostScript 
via an installed PostScript printer.
In Control Panel, right click the PostScript printer and choose Properties -> 
Device Settings. Make sure "Convert Gray Text to PostScript Gray" and "Convert 
Gray Graphics to PostScript Gray" are set to Yes. If they were set to No, I 
think this is what is causing the problem with your black text getting 
converted to RGB. Changing it to Yes should prevent this. I have those options 
set to Yes and black text is correctly preserved as K=100% from Frame to PDF 
(while all other use of colours in text-elements gets converted to RGB).

More info on this:
"True gray" support options for both vector graphics and text. Defaulted to 
"no" values, when set to "yes" the "Convert Gray Text to PostScript Gray" and 
"Convert Gray Graphics to PostScript Gray" assume that for all text and vector 
graphics objects respectively, color values in which the red (R), green (G), 
and blue (B) values match are really an expression of grayscale as opposed to 
RGB color. The default "no" results in those RGB values passed through to the 
printer or Distiller as-is. The "yes" value can dramatically improve output 
quality for black and grayscale text and vector graphics for PostScript color 
printers that do not automatically make assumptions about and convert R=G=B 
values to K values. The "yes" value also assists in creating prepress-friendly 
PostScript and PDF from applications that do not generate their own PostScript 
(including Adobe FrameMaker, Microsoft Office, and other popular office suite 
and productivity programs). [I recommend that users always set these values to 
"yes" - Dov.]
Source: http://www.planetpdf.com/mainpage.asp?webpageid=1509

Good luck,
/Martin

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> To: Framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: CMYK/RGB conversion 
> 
> Hi Framers,
> 
> Using FM 7.2 and Distiller 7.0 to create pdf for print.
> I have some trouble trying to figure out how to cope with the 
> "convert to RGB" problem with FrameMaker.
> When I generate pdf files from FrameMaker, some of the colors 
> are converted to RGB.
> If I select the Distiller option "Convert all colors to CMYK" 
> I avoid the RGB, but the colors are not defined the way they 
> were in FM. For example, my black text is C=0%, M=0%, Y=0%, 
> K=100% in FrameMaker, but C=74.9%, M=67.8%, Y=67.1% and 
> K=90.2% in the pdf file.
> 
> I know there are also tools that can convert to CMYK after 
> creating the pdf file, but I would really prefer it if the 
> Distiller could take care of it...
> 
> Does anyone know how to keep the original CMYK values in the 
> pdf output? I'm pulling my hair out
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> 
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CMYK/RGB conversion

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Martin,

I'm glad to hear that. I'll continue with these settings and see how it
works out...
Thanks again!

Christiane

-Original Message-
From: Aronsson, Martin [mailto:martin.arons...@sonyericsson.com] 
Sent: 9. november 2006 10:04
To: Christiane Crety (CC); Framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: CMYK/RGB conversion 

Hi again,

I'm glad it was of help to you Christiane. I double-checked here on my
files again and when checking the black text elements in the Preflight
tool Enfocus Pitstop, it is reported as (as you say) "Gray" with 0%
"Brightness". Although when using the Output Preview advanced function
in Acrobat 7 Pro itself, the same elements are reported as "Process
Black 100%" (when holding the mouse pointer over those elements). I
don't do any color conversion in the Distiller settings.

I don't know why it is reported with different names in the two tools
(maybe someone else can explain this?), but I am almost sure it wont
create any problems in the printing process anyway.

/Martin

Slash in dialog boxes become bullets in pdf

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Framers,
Windows XP, Frame 8.0p277, unstructured.
Thanks for the replies to my e-mail about conditionalized cross-references - 
that one is still not solved, unfortunately :(.
Now I have a new problem: When I type a slash (/) in a dialog box, it comes out 
as a bullet in my pdf. I have seen it in my index and in a variable. One 
strange thing though: My variable is OK in headings, but in body text the 
slashes come out as bullets in the pdf. In my Frame files everything looks OK.
Any ideas/suggestions how I can avoid this? (I tried putting a backslash before 
the slash, but that didn't change anything)

Thanks,
Christiane

Slash in dialog boxes become bullets in pdf

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

OK, here are some more details:

* FrameMaker 8.0p277, unstructured

* Types of dialog boxes: Variable definitions and Index marker text.

* My variable format definition: SAILOR 6120/30/40/50 (just text, no 
character formats or anything)

* I think my index entry was "I/O connector" or something similar

* The font is a special company font (Type 1)

* I don't get any missing fonts messages in FrameMaker

* Another thing: I tried experimenting a bit. When the paragraph format 
had Weight = Bold, the problem was not there (that was the reason why my 
headings were OK). But since I can't have all my variables in bold,  I tried 
changing the variable definition with commas instead of slashes. Then I changed 
it back to slashes, and now the problem is gone! Exactly the same definition as 
before, but now I don't see the problem. Only trouble is: I am not very 
confident that the problem won't come back...
Regards,
Christiane

From: Roger Shuttleworth [mailto:rshuttlewo...@avbasesystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:32 PM
To: Christiane Crety (CC)
Subject: Re: Slash in dialog boxes become bullets in pdf

Hi Christiane

You certainly are discovering some weird phenomena! It would help if you could 
give concrete examples, though. Can you post (to the list):
what version of FrameMaker
which dialog boxes you are referring to
the exact format for your variable
the character format definitions used in your variable, if any
what exactly you typed for your index entry
what fonts you are using, and the type (e.g. OpenType, Type 1, etc.)
whether you get any missing fonts messages in the  FM console

These details would help immensely in trying to help you.

Regards,
Roger

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AV-BASE Systems Inc.
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London, Ontario
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Tel. 519 691-0919 ext. 330
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Sent: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:58:00 -0500
Subject: Slash in dialog boxes become bullets in pdf

Hi Framers,
Windows XP, Frame 8.0p277, unstructured.
Thanks for the replies to my e-mail about conditionalized cross-references - 
that one is still not solved, unfortunately :(.
Now I have a new problem: When I type a slash (/) in a dialog box, it comes out 
as a bullet in my pdf. I have seen it in my index and in a variable. One 
strange thing though: My variable is OK in headings, but in body text the 
slashes come out as bullets in the pdf. In my Frame files everything looks OK.
Any ideas/suggestions how I can avoid this? (I tried putting a backslash before 
the slash, but that didn't change anything)

Thanks,
Christiane
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Conditionalized cross-references

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Framers.
Windows XP SP3, FrameMaker 8.0p277.
We have a strange problem with our cross-references when they are made 
conditional.
The definition of the cross-reference is: <$paratext> 
on page\ <$pagenum>
It seems the  makes the text unconditional, i.e. the text from 
"on page" is unconditional although the whole cross-reference should be 
conditional.
Is there any way we can avoid this behavior?
Thanks in advance!

Best regards,
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