Re: random woes (no RSA support in libssl and libcrypto)
Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 16:02:08, mark (Mark Murray) wrote about "Re: random woes ("no
RSA support in libssl and libcrypto")":
ssh: no RSA support in libssl and libcrypto. See ssl(8)
[...]
It seems the compatibility with the previous minor of urandom has
been silently removed (I assume this happened with the last
update/cleanup of the random device). It took me two hours to figure
it out.
See src/UPDATING 2624
Well, but it says about `options RANDOMDEV'. Later, `device random' was
invented instead of it. A few days ago I installed -CURRENT
(date=2001.03.25.12.00.00) with removing all previous content of /usr/lib
(which contained legacy since 3.1-RELEASE) and /usr/sbin/sshd began to refuse
supporting protocol 1 with identical message
(`no RSA support in libssl and libcrypto. See ssl(8)'). Also,
kernel was build with `device random', and
netch@iv:/usr/HEAD/src/sys/i386/confegrep '(RSA|USA)' /etc/make.conf
# If you're resident in the USA, this will help various ports to determine
USA_RESIDENT= NO
WITH_RSA=YES
And, my questions are
1) What can happen to refuse RSA support in libcrypto, with environment
described above?
2) How can one diagnose reason of such problems without abusing studying
of libcrypto internals?
3) Can anybody provide more descriptive message when random device
works improperly?
/netch
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Re: random woes (no RSA support in libssl and libcrypto)
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Valentin Nechayev wrote: And, my questions are 1) What can happen to refuse RSA support in libcrypto, with environment described above? I suspect you need to remake /dev/urandom. Copy /usr/src/etc/MAKEDEV from -current into /etc and remake the device. /dev/urandom is now a symlink to /dev/random. G To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: random woes (no RSA support in libssl and libcrypto)
See src/UPDATING 2624 Well, but it says about `options RANDOMDEV'. Later, `device random' was invented instead of it. A few days ago I installed -CURRENT (date=2001.03.25.12.00.00) with removing all previous content of /usr/lib (which contained legacy since 3.1-RELEASE) and /usr/sbin/sshd began to refuse supporting protocol 1 with identical message (`no RSA support in libssl and libcrypto. See ssl(8)'). Also, kernel was build with `device random', and netch@iv:/usr/HEAD/src/sys/i386/confegrep '(RSA|USA)' /etc/make.conf # If you're resident in the USA, this will help various ports to determine USA_RESIDENT= NO WITH_RSA=YES You missed (and deleted) the bit where it tells you to rerun MAKEDEV to rebuild your devices. And, my questions are 1) What can happen to refuse RSA support in libcrypto, with environment described above? An incorrect /dev/urandom 2) How can one diagnose reason of such problems without abusing studying of libcrypto internals? More reading of UPDATING? I'll see if I can get it clarified. 3) Can anybody provide more descriptive message when random device works improperly? Yes. I'm working on making the random device itself moan at you. M -- Mark Murray Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
top output broked?
PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPUCPU COMMAND 824 root -80 1048K 596K biord 0 0:38 0.00% 0.00% find 385 root 40 32740K 31944K select 1 0:32 0.00% 0.00% XFree86 836 root -80 532K 276K biord 1 0:07 0.00% 0.00% nfsd 14848 root 960 26912K 26832K RUN1 0:04 0.00% 0.00% ld 424 bright 40 2120K 1340K select 0 0:04 0.00% 0.00% rxvt no cpu time, known issue? -- -Alfred Perlstein - [[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Represent yourself, show up at BABUG http://www.babug.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
usr.bin/kdump - 'make world' broken?
What could be the reason for the following problem? === usr.bin/kdump cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/kdump/../ktrace -I/usr/src/usr.bin/kdump/../ .. -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c ioctl.c In file included from ioctl.c:96: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys/memrange.h:18: warning: `MDF_ACTIVE' redefined /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/pccard/cardinfo.h:81: warning: this is the location of the previous definition In file included from ioctl.c:52: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine/i4b_rbch_ioctl.h:45: `TELNO_MAX' undeclared here (not in a function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/usr.bin/kdump. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/usr.bin. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Thanks for any advice. Eckhard To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: ** HEADS UP ** portmap daemon renamed to rpcbind
Warner Losh([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 12:40:18AM -0700: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Lehey writes: : Play the ball, not the man. : : I don't have an objection to the change, I was just asking. And : "because System V does it this way" has never been a good answer for : us. And no, I'm not picking on Doug, just making a point. I see no reason why the name can't remain portmap. does it take parameters? then it would make sense to have it named rpcbind... /k -- "Dope will get you through times of no money better that money will get you through times of no dope." -- Gilbert Shelton KR433/KR11-RIPE -- http://www.webmonster.de -- ftp://ftp.webmonster.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Can't build current...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello, I can't seem to be able to build 5-CURRENT since several days. I just cvsupped again (tracking everything on CURRENT branch) but I always run into the following: sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 libmd.a /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 libmd_p.a /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 444 libmd.so.2 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib ln -sf libmd.so.2 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libmd.so cd /usr/src/lib/libcrypt; make depend; make all; make install make: don't know how to make crypt-blowfish.c. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. when trying to do make buildworld. Machine is a K6-2 500 running 15.3.01 5-CURRENT snapshot. Am I too stupid (haven't run into any problems on 4.X for a long time so ;-) or is this broken? Best regards, Gabriel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.0.2i iQEVAwUBOsCglsZa2WpymlDxAQGcJggAsRBFAA/W8kaVKJSPzaPUFH00XI8vq4SV vjNjWNk65HKNyeG1ceVU7nVETBpENsLqXM0hZ04FLTBR5ii5snqfBm+JVpAvMLMa NHpnfXFImDNOsIai0LSArx86uT4jIBGer26odpnJQV0yEffdyzqdXAMMIHg2Gh2/ QJNnSjXA9Mccgkfr/W8V1DWAJaaBRfgczy3HolwhjWOpNXm6V+5ZSW3LW1tIvra/ n7N2eR7liwW/LHNbVKejbJUKc11pu9tlY59Uq9fmXFYdfV4R2R3Wrv0SvZgW9uyV YTOzBqSH9LJVjNkVMgvOjmIQ2AZgjs1N8y+ThDuAGDXLn5izlgsaUA== =AmSS -END PGP SIGNATURE- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: page fault in mpu.c
On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 09:42:34PM -0500, Jim Bloom wrote: I finally tracked down the page fault I was seeing while probing the mpu. The mutex was not being initialized before it was used. I have included a patch below which fixes the problem. Will someone please review the style and commit the fix. I can confirm that this fixes the problem (as in the kernel builds and boots with options midi and sequencer.) Thanks! -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Can't build current...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello, I can't seem to be able to build 5-CURRENT since several days. I just cvsupped again (tracking everything on CURRENT branch) but I always run into the following: sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 libmd.a /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 libmd_p.a /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 444 libmd.so.2 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib ln -sf libmd.so.2 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libmd.so cd /usr/src/lib/libcrypt; make depend; make all; make install make: don't know how to make crypt-blowfish.c. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. when trying to do make buildworld. Machine is a K6-2 500 running 15.3.01 5-CURRENT snapshot. Am I too stupid (haven't run into any problems on 4.X for a long time so ;-) or is this broken? Best regards, Gabriel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.0.2i iQEVAwUBOsCkO8Za2WpymlDxAQF+0gf/da0BeB8FWe+6revJQHYX9RwCFFr2/u7w AH4CO6PnK3YieMD4SHm05Ng3I1MiIcj0inZevR7jIsGAVrsnHN8i9OgCxtDANaFt cYnP+kyhSWW/qQB6wATidWxaCVMK8IdXrouAdOtyGmtaa2jVIc5tUqlgx27R9sT0 jTZl0Wu1lEmrEIKu+I2Wp9K1MUdXtiBktcDmYtj08nIe5dh160/UUh5c9ZqS41IR s+5ggR3Kcx70kitu16eRJ2IyQbwl/zl3QUOSGWKrJTJtE18tGYqjXqklC6cVFPWl TK9q5s41NwUT8U5fK+Y23p6Gzrwb5gsEvY889PAMV7VOT7MzH9fCtg== =xBW5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: usr.bin/kdump - 'make world' broken?
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:22:51PM +0200, Eckhard Kantz wrote:
What could be the reason for the following problem?
=== usr.bin/kdump
cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/kdump/../ktrace -I/usr/src/usr.bin/kdump/../
.. -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c ioctl.c
In file included from ioctl.c:96:
/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys/memrange.h:18: warning: `MDF_ACTIVE'
redefined
/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/pccard/cardinfo.h:81: warning: this is the
location of the previous definition
In file included from ioctl.c:52:
/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine/i4b_rbch_ioctl.h:45: `TELNO_MAX'
undeclared here (not in a function)
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/src/usr.bin/kdump.
*** Error code 1
I reported about this problem more then 3 months ago.
(http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=434185+436356+/usr/local/www/db/text/2001/freebsd-current/20010128.freebsd-current)
I think this problem may resolve with following steps:
1) rm -rf /usr/src
2) re-sup
3) try to make buildworld
But i haven't -current @ fast channel for this...
Also, you may do following:
1) vi /usr/src/usr.bin/kdump/Makefile and remove ${DESTDIR} at line 11
2) vi /usr/src/usr.bin/truss/Makefile remove ${DESTDIR} at line 32
3) try to make buildworld
I recommend first way.
It looks like mkioctls do something wrong at ${DESTDIR} at
buildworld time.
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Re: usr.bin/kdump - 'make world' broken?
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 07:34:49PM +0400, Sergey A. Osokin wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:22:51PM +0200, Eckhard Kantz wrote:
What could be the reason for the following problem?
=== usr.bin/kdump
cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/kdump/../ktrace -I/usr/src/usr.bin/kdump/../
.. -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c ioctl.c
In file included from ioctl.c:96:
/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys/memrange.h:18: warning: `MDF_ACTIVE'
redefined
/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/pccard/cardinfo.h:81: warning: this is the
location of the previous definition
In file included from ioctl.c:52:
/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine/i4b_rbch_ioctl.h:45: `TELNO_MAX'
undeclared here (not in a function)
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/src/usr.bin/kdump.
*** Error code 1
I reported about this problem more then 3 months ago.
(http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=434185+436356+/usr/local/www/db/text/2001/freebsd-current/20010128.freebsd-current)
I think this problem may resolve with following steps:
1) rm -rf /usr/src
2) re-sup
3) try to make buildworld
But i haven't -current @ fast channel for this...
Also, you may do following:
1) vi /usr/src/usr.bin/kdump/Makefile and remove ${DESTDIR} at line 11
2) vi /usr/src/usr.bin/truss/Makefile remove ${DESTDIR} at line 32
3) try to make buildworld
I recommend first way.
It looks like mkioctls do something wrong at ${DESTDIR} at
buildworld time.
Should be fixed in usr.bin/kdump/mkioctls,v 1.20.
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Re: top output broked?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:18:10 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPUCPU COMMAND 824 root -80 1048K 596K biord 0 0:38 0.00% 0.00% find 385 root 40 32740K 31944K select 1 0:32 0.00% 0.00% XFree86 836 root -80 532K 276K biord 1 0:07 0.00% 0.00% nfsd 14848 root 960 26912K 26832K RUN1 0:04 0.00% 0.00% ld 424 bright 40 2120K 1340K select 0 0:04 0.00% 0.00% rxvt no cpu time, known issue? I get non-zero values from time to time; in particular, I fired up an xterm did a "while (1)" loop in it, and the CPU times increased in a gratifying manner. :-} However, the usual values I'm seeing are rather lower than I would expect, and lower than the same machine running -STABLE (within the last several days, by my recollection). As a reality check, I'm trying "vmstat 5", and it's consistently reporting either 99 or 100% idle. There -- I got both it top to report something noticeable: I fired up netscape Maybe it really *is* using CPU much more efficiently...? No, I didn't think so, but it was a nice thought :-) Oh: recent CVSup history (I hadn't noticed the behavior in the -CURRENNT I built yesterday): CVSup started at Sun Mar 25 23:47:00 PST 2001 CVSup ended at Sun Mar 25 23:52:25 PST 2001 CVSup started at Mon Mar 26 23:47:00 PST 2001 CVSup ended at Mon Mar 26 23:53:39 PST 2001 Cheers, david -- David H. Wolfskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: top output broked?
On 27-Mar-01 Alfred Perlstein wrote: PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPUCPU COMMAND 824 root -80 1048K 596K biord 0 0:38 0.00% 0.00% find 385 root 40 32740K 31944K select 1 0:32 0.00% 0.00% XFree86 836 root -80 532K 276K biord 1 0:07 0.00% 0.00% nfsd 14848 root 960 26912K 26832K RUN1 0:04 0.00% 0.00% ld 424 bright 40 2120K 1340K select 0 0:04 0.00% 0.00% rxvt no cpu time, known issue? Not one that I've seen: PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPUCPU COMMAND 11 root -160 0K 0K CPU0 0 79.5H 49.37% 49.37% idle: cpu0 10 root -160 0K 0K RUN1 79.4H 48.19% 48.19% idle: cpu1 13 root -48 -167 0K 0K WAIT 0 62:53 0.00% 0.00% swi6: tty:s 15 root 760 0K 0K sleep 0 6:07 0.00% 0.00% random 5 root 200 0K 0K syncer 1 2:47 0.00% 0.00% syncer 20 root -68 -187 0K 0K WAIT 1 1:18 0.00% 0.00% irq18: fxp0 19 root -64 -183 0K 0K WAIT 0 0:53 0.00% 0.00% irq16: ahc0 12 root -44 -163 0K 0K WAIT 0 0:52 0.00% 0.00% swi1: net 18 root -36 -155 0K 0K WAIT 1 0:49 0.00% 0.00% swi3: cambi 4 root -160 0K 0K psleep 0 0:41 0.00% 0.00% bufdaemon 283 root 40 552K 388K select 0 0:10 0.00% 0.00% dhclient If you run 'top -S' does all your time show up in the idle processes like it does here? -- John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: top output broked?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:33:10 -0800 (PST)
From: John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not one that I've seen:
PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPUCPU COMMAND
11 root -160 0K 0K CPU0 0 79.5H 49.37% 49.37% idle: cpu0
10 root -160 0K 0K RUN1 79.4H 48.19% 48.19% idle: cpu1
13 root -48 -167 0K 0K WAIT 0 62:53 0.00% 0.00% swi6: tty:s
15 root 760 0K 0K sleep 0 6:07 0.00% 0.00% random
5 root 200 0K 0K syncer 1 2:47 0.00% 0.00% syncer
20 root -68 -187 0K 0K WAIT 1 1:18 0.00% 0.00% irq18: fxp0
19 root -64 -183 0K 0K WAIT 0 0:53 0.00% 0.00% irq16: ahc0
12 root -44 -163 0K 0K WAIT 0 0:52 0.00% 0.00% swi1: net
18 root -36 -155 0K 0K WAIT 1 0:49 0.00% 0.00% swi3: cambi
4 root -160 0K 0K psleep 0 0:41 0.00% 0.00% bufdaemon
283 root 40 552K 388K select 0 0:10 0.00% 0.00% dhclient
If you run 'top -S' does all your time show up in the idle processes like it
does here?
Hmm... mine loks like that (modulo #CPUs), except when I'm actually
making it do some work (re-building the kernel, in this case). What I
see ("top -S") looks like:
last pid: 9546; load averages: 0.97, 0.64, 0.30up 0+00:08:32 08:51:47
77 processes: 3 running, 57 sleeping, 2 zombie, 15 waiting
CPU states: 91.1% user, 0.0% nice, 5.4% system, 0.4% interrupt, 3.1% idle
Mem: 32M Active, 78M Inact, 27M Wired, 96K Cache, 35M Buf, 110M Free
Swap: 1024M Total, 4168K Used, 1020M Free
PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATETIME WCPUCPU COMMAND
10 root -160 0K 0K RUN 3:43 2.15% 2.15% idle
9545 root 1210 3428K 3304K RUN 0:00 2.00% 0.10% cc1
514 root 40 27148K 26128K select 0:03 0.00% 0.00% XFree86
212 root 40 420K 304K select 0:03 0.00% 0.00% pccardd
610 david 40 4200K 3332K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% xterm
12 root -48 -167 0K 0K WAIT 0:01 0.00% 0.00% swi6: tty:sio
7601 root 80 5112K 4764K wait 0:01 0.00% 0.00% make
16 root -64 -183 0K 0K WAIT 0:01 0.00% 0.00% irq14: ata0
312 root 40 976K 556K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% moused
603 david 40 2348K 1968K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ssh
11 root -44 -163 0K 0K WAIT 0:00 0.00% 0.00% swi1: net
1193 david 960 1964K 1208K RUN 0:00 0.00% 0.00% top
5 root 200 0K 0K syncer 0:00 0.00% 0.00% syncer
288 root 40 2256K 1504K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sshd
620 david 40 4200K 3332K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% xterm
14 root 760 0K 0K sleep0:00 0.00% 0.00% random
350 root -68 -187 0K 0K WAIT 0:00 0.00% 0.00% irq3: an0
I confess a degree of skepticism :-}
Here's output from "vmstat -5" around that time:
1 2 0 43184104456 306 0 0 0 121 0 0 0 402 599 419 99 1 0
1 2 0 37772109324 1209 0 0 0 1498 0 1 0 432 2032 549 91 6 2
1 2 0 43032104124 918 0 0 0 669 0 1 0 394 1053 422 96 4 0
1 2 0 44540102584 289 0 0 0 188 0 0 0 348 402 307 99 1 0
2 1 0 39272108032 1123 0 0 0 1446 0 8 0 356 1515 362 90 5 5
1 2 0 38448107844 1047 0 0 0 1066 0 10 0 368 1428 388 88 5 7
1 1 0 36596108380 1240 0 0 0 1310 0 1 0 354 1643 362 94 5 2
2 1 0 32264110776 1334 0 0 0 1504 0 2 0 381 1851 431 92 6 2
1 0 0 30376110236 1850 0 0 0 1892 0 7 0 389 2506 462 86 8 6
1 2 0 34904107064 1786 0 0 0 1692 0 4 0 360 2339 394 88 7 5
2 0 0 30040108884 2437 0 0 0 2634 0 12 0 384 3194 466 77 10 14
1 2 0 35544104636 1885 0 0 0 1734 0 27 0 405 2556 490 81 9 10
1 2 0 34528104520 2339 0 0 0 2432 0 3 0 378 3136 455 85 10 5
1 1 0 34620103844 2066 0 0 0 2115 0 2 0 370 2787 432 91 8 1
procs memory pagedisks faults cpu
r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad0 md10 in sy cs us sy id
2 0 0 28532106216 2618 0 0 0 2876 0 8 0 394 3524 514 83 13 4
2 0 0 36172102488 2071 0 0 0 1967 0 7 0 402 2910 507 89 9 2
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Re: usr.bin/kdump - 'make world' broken?
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 07:17:48PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 07:34:49PM +0400, Sergey A. Osokin wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:22:51PM +0200, Eckhard Kantz wrote: What could be the reason for the following problem? === usr.bin/kdump cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/kdump/../ktrace -I/usr/src/usr.bin/kdump/../ .. -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c ioctl.c In file included from ioctl.c:96: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys/memrange.h:18: warning: `MDF_ACTIVE' redefined /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/pccard/cardinfo.h:81: warning: this is the location of the previous definition In file included from ioctl.c:52: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine/i4b_rbch_ioctl.h:45: `TELNO_MAX' undeclared here (not in a function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/usr.bin/kdump. *** Error code 1 Should be fixed in usr.bin/kdump/mkioctls,v 1.20. OK. I try buildworld now. -- Rgdz,/"\ Sergey Osokin aka oZZ, \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN [EMAIL PROTECTED]X AGAINST HTML MAIL http://freebsd.org.ru/~osa/ / \ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Can't build current...
gabriel_ambuehl I can't seem to be able to build 5-CURRENT since several days. You should have src/secure/lib/libcrypt/crypt-blowfish.c. If you don't have, it's your problem. The CVS repository has this file already: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/crypt-blowfish.c Have you update (or checkout) your src/secure, or which CVSup server you use? -- - Makoto MATSUSHITA To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re[2]: Can't build current...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Makoto, Tuesday, March 27, 2001, 7:55:15 PM, you wrote: gabriel_ambuehl I can't seem to be able to build 5-CURRENT since several days. You should have src/secure/lib/libcrypt/crypt-blowfish.c. If you don't have, it's your problem. The CVS repository has this file already: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/crypt-blo wfish.c Have you update (or checkout) your src/secure, or which CVSup server you use? I'm using cvsup.de.FreeBSD.org which appears to be a cname cvsup.uk.FreeBSD.org. But it looks like, that for some reason, src-secure didn't get added to the cvsupfile (hmm. might be related to the fact that cvsupit creates cvsup.intl for that purpose and I forgot to add that one to make.conf...). Mea culpa (hope it will work now). While I'm writing this: what is the general opinion about having CURRENT on production servers (I'd really love to deploy the ACLs ASAP)? I don't plan to use SMP and can wait for snapshots til the RELEASE comes... Best regards, Gabriel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.0.2i iQEVAwUBOsDJzsZa2WpymlDxAQGYMAf9E/gzHUM6H3897O9XJTRWKIyrEdW5eE6G RvRU5FK+SxLa+FucsjU9dN4Yh41VD5C+mrq6nnTppBf7Wnt2QjyRx+7q7Hs12qdC QMItugL+2iGGU6gioF0WZPeh1MrcWO6dbCn1o95QyYS/Sw9ePM+I4EA2Iiikh1EV Rf7At5/zyQfnHtab2CSn4fQCGc/onfpmYSEZd4ezj2ykD9J9BQdRZtX7IqDodCZm djhc6UYU9RFtUVzdCgXW8pYG9be9HNiUdZwnsi2GmEuSqhx05bUVJ0m1lL4t7Dwx wJNVnkzCURmxjFtjc4d6am5wjyPOXOj2nrWoO96ZfybNLoT1g6rh0A== =BB0w -END PGP SIGNATURE- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: ** HEADS UP ** portmap daemon renamed to rpcbind
"Karsten W. Rohrbach" wrote: Warner Losh([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 12:40:18AM -0700: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Lehey writes: : Play the ball, not the man. : : I don't have an objection to the change, I was just asking. And : "because System V does it this way" has never been a good answer for : us. And no, I'm not picking on Doug, just making a point. I see no reason why the name can't remain portmap. does it take parameters? then it would make sense to have it named rpcbind... Pardon me being dense, but what does that have to do with anything? portmap took a -v flag, or are you talking about something different? -- Perhaps the greatest damage the American system of education has done to its children is to teach them that their opinions are relevant simply because they are their opinions. Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: ** HEADS UP ** portmap daemon renamed to rpcbind
Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Lehey writes: : Play the ball, not the man. : : I don't have an objection to the change, I was just asking. And : "because System V does it this way" has never been a good answer for : us. And no, I'm not picking on Doug, just making a point. I see no reason why the name can't remain portmap. My previous comment was mostly an attempt at humor, in case anyone missed that. :) I have no problem with keeping the name the same as it is in netbsd to make code sharing easier. If this were something that users interacted with directly I'd fight harder, but as it is portmap is basically always started from rc*. We'll have another round of pain from people who fail to properly update /etc, but we have enough land mines there already to make this point moot. Doug -- Perhaps the greatest damage the American system of education has done to its children is to teach them that their opinions are relevant simply because they are their opinions. Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
cvsupit assumptions (was: Re: Re[2]: Can't build current...)
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: I'm using cvsup.de.FreeBSD.org which appears to be a cname cvsup.uk.FreeBSD.org. But it looks like, that for some reason, src-secure didn't get added to the cvsupfile (hmm. might be related to the fact that cvsupit creates cvsup.intl for that purpose and I forgot to add that one to make.conf...). Mea culpa (hope it will work now). I've actually heard that from a couple of other people lately -- that cvsupit still assumes that crypto should not be pulled down, and the crypto code is now assumed in the default build. This may just be a product of the packagized version of cvsupit shipped in the past, but it might also be the case that cvsupit needs to be updated to take into account changes in our cvsup policies and source layout. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project [EMAIL PROTECTED] NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Can't build current...
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:55:15AM +0900, Makoto MATSUSHITA wrote: You should have src/secure/lib/libcrypt/crypt-blowfish.c. If you don't have, it's your problem. The CVS repository has this file already: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/crypt-blowfish.c Have you update (or checkout) your src/secure, or which CVSup server you use? I believe Mark's intention was to keep crypt-blowfish.c optional for those who don't want to install crypto. Perhaps this is broken. Kris PGP signature
Current for production?
On 27-Mar-01 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: While I'm writing this: what is the general opinion about having CURRENT on production servers (I'd really love to deploy the ACLs ASAP)? I don't plan to use SMP and can wait for snapshots til the RELEASE comes... Don't. ACL's are still not production quality yet, and the SMP work breaks UP kernels just as bad as SMP kernels when it breaks. -- John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: top output broked?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:21:46 -0800 (PST)
From: John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hmm... mine loks like that (modulo #CPUs), except when I'm actually
making it do some work (re-building the kernel, in this case). What I
see ("top -S") looks like:
last pid: 9546; load averages: 0.97, 0.64, 0.30up 0+00:08:32
08:51:47
77 processes: 3 running, 57 sleeping, 2 zombie, 15 waiting
CPU states: 91.1% user, 0.0% nice, 5.4% system, 0.4% interrupt, 3.1% idle
This is probably right..
Yes; that much of it "feels" about right.
I don't know why you are seeing such weirdness however. Is your world and
kernel out of sync.
Assuredly not, but I understand the rationale behind the question. :-)
(I have the "script" log available for perusal)
It's a nice (mis)feature now that if items in the middle
of kinfo_proc change size it still tries to use the misordered data rather than
complaining about it like it used to. :-P See my other e-mail where top on my
laptop doles out time to userland tasks ok.
I confess a degree of skepticism :-}
I agree.
:-)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:21:45 -0800 (PST)
From: John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Keep in mind that we no longer charge interrupt time to the process being
interrupted, instead all that interrupt handling has been pushed off into
ithreads. Same for software interrupt threads.
OK; that's a good useful thing to keep in mind. And I did see some
IRQ-related entries in top's output.
That said, I don't see how X is so idle, it's certainly not on my laptop:
PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATETIME WCPUCPU COMMAND
454 john 40 0K 43464K select 1:57 4.05% 4.05% XFree86
461 john 40 17076K 16144K select 0:35 0.39% 0.39% enlightenment
492 john 4 10 3072K 2040K select 0:28 0.10% 0.10% E-ScreenSave.
Eh... the "enlightenment" line may provide a clue there. I use tvtwm as
a window manager. :-} (I figure anything that could be marginally
acceptable on a (maxed out) 24 MB Sun 3/60 ought to be adequate for this
750 MHz/256 MB laptop)
Cheers,
david
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Re: ** HEADS UP ** portmap daemon renamed to rpcbind
Doug Barton([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:05:40AM -0800: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" wrote: Warner Losh([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 12:40:18AM -0700: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Lehey writes: : Play the ball, not the man. : : I don't have an objection to the change, I was just asking. And : "because System V does it this way" has never been a good answer for : us. And no, I'm not picking on Doug, just making a point. I see no reason why the name can't remain portmap. does it take parameters? then it would make sense to have it named rpcbind... Pardon me being dense, but what does that have to do with anything? portmap took a -v flag, or are you talking about something different? the idea is, that if rpcbind takes parameters different from portmap it would make sense to call rpcbind rpcbind because people's boxes will start to barf when rpcbind is called portmap, they make world, and skip reading the rpcbind paragraph in UPDATING ;-) does this make sense? /k -- Hugh Hefner is a virgin. KR433/KR11-RIPE -- http://www.webmonster.de -- ftp://ftp.webmonster.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: top output broked?
Also, I happened to note that as I'm doing a "make buildworld" (for today's -STABLE, running in yesterday's -STABLE), my "top -S" output shows a large number of "0.00" entries for CPU (on the same laptop as my previously-reported results). So it may be odd, but at least -- in my case -- it appears to be moderately consistent (modulo known expected changes between -STABLE -CURRENT). Cheers, david -- David H. Wolfskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Current for production?
I'd like to reinforce this: I'm not a hacker, but have a -current box so I can write about it. (It's difficult to write a book targeting 5.1-release and time it for 5.1-R, when you don't have 5-current. This is one definite advantage Greg Lehey has over the rest of us authorial sorts.) With five years fairly hardcore FreeBSD experience, tracking -current is a *pain*. At any given point in time, 90% of the system works. The 10% that doesn't changes almost daily. If you want to invest your time in finding a particular date of -current that meets your needs, and you make a management decision that you will never, never, *never* upgrade without going through the same audit, go for it. Plus, I've made a management decision to never whine about what's broken, just live with it. (Okay, I do report broken buildworlds, but that's it.) My Pilot software locks the machine up; the web browser has been known to hang forever; the web server occasionally screams obscenities; other miscellanous ports just puke. Heck, I'm waiting for this laptop to phone the police and report me as a kiddie porn devotee, then anonymously transfer my bank balance to the Linux Foundation. It'll be for a technically sound reason, I know, but that still makes it a pain. I would run unionfs on a 3-stable production box before running -current in production right now. ==ml PS: You could also make a management decision to hire a kernel hacker to work on the part of -current that you need. :) On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:21:47AM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: On 27-Mar-01 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: While I'm writing this: what is the general opinion about having CURRENT on production servers (I'd really love to deploy the ACLs ASAP)? I don't plan to use SMP and can wait for snapshots til the RELEASE comes... Don't. ACL's are still not production quality yet, and the SMP work breaks UP kernels just as bad as SMP kernels when it breaks. -- John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
HEADS UP!! New PAM functionaity in CURRENT!
Hello all! I have just added new PAM functionality to CURRENT. There is now better support for account management and sessions. If you foul up your pam.conf merging, you may not be able to get into your system. PLEASE MERGE /etc/pam.conf WITH CARE! At the least, your login section should look like: login authrequiredpam_unix.so try_first_pass login account requiredpam_unix.so login password required pam_permit.so login session requiredpam_permit.so and your sshd section should look like: sshdauthrequiredpam_unix.so try_first_pass sshdaccount requiredpam_unix.so sshdpassword required pam_permit.so sshdsession requiredpam_permit.so M -- Mark Murray Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: top output broked?
On 27-Mar-01 David Wolfskill wrote: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:21:45 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep in mind that we no longer charge interrupt time to the process being interrupted, instead all that interrupt handling has been pushed off into ithreads. Same for software interrupt threads. OK; that's a good useful thing to keep in mind. And I did see some IRQ-related entries in top's output. Are they getting %CPU though. When running top -S, the CPU %'s should always add up to about 100 (with fudges for rounding errors). That said, I don't see how X is so idle, it's certainly not on my laptop: PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATETIME WCPUCPU COMMAND 454 john 40 0K 43464K select 1:57 4.05% 4.05% XFree86 461 john 40 17076K 16144K select 0:35 0.39% 0.39% enlightenment 492 john 4 10 3072K 2040K select 0:28 0.10% 0.10% E-ScreenSave. Eh... the "enlightenment" line may provide a clue there. I use tvtwm as a window manager. :-} (I figure anything that could be marginally acceptable on a (maxed out) 24 MB Sun 3/60 ought to be adequate for this 750 MHz/256 MB laptop) Heh, but I figured Alfred was in X when he was running top, so X must've been doing _some_ screen updates, and not just have 0.00% CPU time. :-P -- John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: top output broked?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:56:38 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK; that's a good useful thing to keep in mind. And I did see some IRQ-related entries in top's output. Are they getting %CPU though. When running top -S, the CPU %'s should always add up to about 100 (with fudges for rounding errors). Well, as noted in another note a little prior to this one, the -CURRENT behavior I'm seeing isn't all *that* different from the -STABLE behavior -- in each case, the sum of what "top" reports for CPU % is normally small. Eh... the "enlightenment" line may provide a clue there. I use tvtwm as a window manager. :-} (I figure anything that could be marginally acceptable on a (maxed out) 24 MB Sun 3/60 ought to be adequate for this 750 MHz/256 MB laptop) Heh, but I figured Alfred was in X when he was running top, so X must've been doing _some_ screen updates, and not just have 0.00% CPU time. :-P Well, that gets into a matter of perspective, since the amount of CPU resource required to do the screen updates (vs. what is available) could well be 0.00 (to 2 decimals) :-) (Kinda like the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter is "3" to a single significant figure.) (I was in X at the time, too.) Cheers, david -- David H. Wolfskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: top output broked?
On 27-Mar-01 David Wolfskill wrote: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:56:38 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK; that's a good useful thing to keep in mind. And I did see some IRQ-related entries in top's output. Are they getting %CPU though. When running top -S, the CPU %'s should always add up to about 100 (with fudges for rounding errors). Well, as noted in another note a little prior to this one, the -CURRENT behavior I'm seeing isn't all *that* different from the -STABLE behavior -- in each case, the sum of what "top" reports for CPU % is normally small. -STABLE doesn't have idle processes. :) Eh... the "enlightenment" line may provide a clue there. I use tvtwm as a window manager. :-} (I figure anything that could be marginally acceptable on a (maxed out) 24 MB Sun 3/60 ought to be adequate for this 750 MHz/256 MB laptop) Heh, but I figured Alfred was in X when he was running top, so X must've been doing _some_ screen updates, and not just have 0.00% CPU time. :-P Well, that gets into a matter of perspective, since the amount of CPU resource required to do the screen updates (vs. what is available) could well be 0.00 (to 2 decimals) :-) (Kinda like the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter is "3" to a single significant figure.) (I was in X at the time, too.) Fair enough.. -- John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Re[2]: Can't build current...
Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using cvsup.de.FreeBSD.org which appears to be a cname cvsup.uk.FreeBSD.org. Huh? That would be a mistake if it happened. But it isn't: j@uriah 159% nslookup cvsup.de.freebsd.org Server: uriah.heep.sax.de Address: 0.0.0.0 Non-authoritative answer: Name:ftp.ecrc.net Address: 62.208.224.162 Aliases: cvsup.de.freebsd.org j@uriah 160% nslookup cvsup.uk.freebsd.org Server: uriah.heep.sax.de Address: 0.0.0.0 Non-authoritative answer: Name:cvsup.plig.net Address: 195.40.6.42 Aliases: cvsup.uk.freebsd.org cvsup.de.freebsd.org is a cname for cvsup5.de.freebsd.org, which is a cname for ftp.ecrc.net. -- cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL http://www.sax.de/~joerg/NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: top output broked?
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 03:18:10AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPUCPU COMMAND 824 root -80 1048K 596K biord 0 0:38 0.00% 0.00% find 385 root 40 32740K 31944K select 1 0:32 0.00% 0.00% XFree86 836 root -80 532K 276K biord 1 0:07 0.00% 0.00% nfsd 14848 root 960 26912K 26832K RUN1 0:04 0.00% 0.00% ld 424 bright 40 2120K 1340K select 0 0:04 0.00% 0.00% rxvt Hmm, I just rebuilt world recently (this morning), and I'm seeing this: PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPUCPU COMMAND 311 root 1260 600K 264K CPU1 0 24:11 52.39% 52.39% nfsd 503 postfix40 1604K 904K select 0 0:02 0.15% 0.15% qmgr 8069 root 960 2088K 1240K CPU0 0 0:00 0.00% 0.00% top Eek. nfsd is sucking up CPU, even while it's idle (its only nfs client is down for a few quick repairs). I think it's been doing this since the TI-RPC stuff was imported. But, back to your problem, no 0.0% CPU time problem here. - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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HEADS UP: I'm breaking the kernel again
That's right, more SMPng breakage is on the way. Well, hopefully not bad breakage. On a more serious note, I've just spammed sys/alpha/alpha with parts of the critical_enter/exit change which I meant to commit anyways, so I'm going to go ahead and finish committing that right now. The kernel probably won't compile until it is all checked in. Once I get this in I will hopefully also get a chance to check in the new witness code tonight (or tomorrow morning as the case may be) as well. -- John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: ** HEADS UP ** portmap daemon renamed to rpcbind
"Karsten W. Rohrbach" wrote: the idea is, that if rpcbind takes parameters different from portmap it would make sense to call rpcbind rpcbind because people's boxes will start to barf when rpcbind is called portmap, they make world, and skip reading the rpcbind paragraph in UPDATING ;-) does this make sense? Yes. "Takes parameters different from portmap," makes much more sense than "takes parameters." :) Thanks, Doug -- Perhaps the greatest damage the American system of education has done to its children is to teach them that their opinions are relevant simply because they are their opinions. Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
