Re: policy on GPL'd drivers?
On Wed, 28 May 2003 18:39, M. Warner Losh wrote: : : Maybe the kernel build stuff can look in /usr/local/src/sys/modules : : for things to build or something.. : : YUCK! : : *WHY?* : : I have asked this before BTW, and I haven't been told why it sucks. Because there are other, more elegant ways of dealing with these things. I don't like /usr/local/src anything, which was the main complaint. If there are more elegant solutions I would like to know what they are. I agree it isn't a great solution, but I can't see what is better. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: policy on GPL'd drivers?
On Tue, 27 May 2003 22:13, David Leimbach wrote: However the idea is that all GPL infected stuff be isolated, allowing a fully working kernel without GPL stuff in there. Sounds like a kernel module is the way to go then. Perhaps it could exist in the ports tree instead of the mainline kernel sources :). I know I'd be happy with that... the problem is hosting the driver since I am sure patching it won't be enough to map the linux innards to freebsd's. There are already a number of kernel modules in the ports tree (eg nvidia drivers, ltmdm modem driver, aureal sound driver, etc). The only downside is that there are no hooks into the build process so you have to be VERY careful when you update your kernel, or you get panics :( (I found this recently, some change broke all of my 3rd party modules and caused panics when I tried to load them). I would really like some way of getting external modules rebuilt at the same time as buildkernel and friends, otherwise you have to remember to rebuild the affected ports, and it is a pain in the ass. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: policy on GPL'd drivers?
On Wed, 28 May 2003 13:17, Scott Long wrote: I am thinking of ports like rtc, ltmdm or Vmware here.. where it is not uncommon that they require reinstalling after an upgrade. I have experienced kernel panics on several occasions from out of date vmware kernel modules. I'm really of the opinion that these ports should either live in the sys/ tree, or that magic should be devised to make sure that they are built along with the rest of the modules. Agreed :) I don't think it makes sense committing them into the sys tree, as it bloats everyones system and has potential licensing problems. Maybe the kernel build stuff can look in /usr/local/src/sys/modules for things to build or something.. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: policy on GPL'd drivers?
On Wed, 28 May 2003 14:41, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daniel O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Maybe the kernel build stuff can look in /usr/local/src/sys/modules for : things to build or something.. YUCK! *WHY?* I have asked this before BTW, and I haven't been told why it sucks. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: policy on GPL'd drivers?
On Wed, 28 May 2003 14:22, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daniel O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : The only downside is that there are no hooks into the build process so : you have to be VERY careful when you update your kernel, or you get : panics :( This is true. I'd thought that MODULES_OVERRIDE would help, but ports builds and kernel builds are different enough to make this not easy to do. Wanna test a patch? Add a 'makeoptions PORTS_MODULES=comms/ltmdm' to your config file and apply the following patch. Lemme know how well (or poorly) it works. There's likely some hidden assumptions that make it appear to work for me. I don't see how it can work properly.. You need 'FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=' in the install target. I don't think how the patch is structured is sensible though :) 1) If the port is updated between builds you end up with two version of the port installed. 2) You can't control where the module gets put - arguably this isn't a calamity, but I think it makes more sense for the modules to end up in /boot/modules, or some analog to it that is in $PREFIX. IMHO a standard should be set WRT item 2 so future ports writers know what the proper way to do it is :) I guess the problem with mandating somewhere in $PREFIX is that the loader can't load it, so that's no good. I guess the only choice left is /boot/modules. Any comments? -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ULE nice behavior fixed.
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:24, Jeff Roberson wrote: It probably still needs some tweaking but it seems to be MUCH better now. New algorithm entirely. nice +20 processes will not run if anything else wants to. idleprio is still not working correctly. bde reports that this causes a 3% perf degradation for buildworld. Isn't nice +20 == idle prio then? My understanding was that idle prio didn't run unless nothing else wanted the CPU which is what you describe nice +20 as doing :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Removing Sendmail
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:29, Don wrote: Seriously though, I _always_ replace sendmail with postfix and I have never had a problem doing so. Other than one or two really trivial anyway. What problems do people run into when replacing sendmail? How many of those problems come as a result of not reading the install messages for the particular port? I think the worse problem is when you have to update the base sendmail with the ports version.. Come next installworld + mergemaster things can get pretty hairy as you try and decide which version to continue using, and if you change how to revert so the base system still does what you want etc.. It can be quite annoying to deal with :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trouble building XFree86-4-Clients.
On Sat, 2003-03-22 at 20:38, Alastair G. Hogge wrote: I've been able to portupgrade my XFree86-4.2.1 system[1] to 4.3.0 expect the 4.3.0 clients port. I've tried completely removing and building it manuly thru make install but I get the same. -DMITSHM -DXFT -DXRENDER -c do_text.c do_text.c:403:25: X11/Xft/Xft.h: No such file or directory Tried making sure Xft and fontconfig are up to date? I had trouble with that when I updated. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: secondary ACPI problems
On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 08:28, Andrew Gallatin wrote: Shouldn't a driver without a suspend/resume implementation implicitly veto the suspend? That's how OS-X does it. I don't think so - the reason being that when a lot of this stuff was written it was done for APM. Since the OS doesn't _usually_ have to frob the hardware when using APM the default makes sense. Anyway, I'll worry about this when/if somebody can tell me how to get my video back after suspending to S3: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0: class=0x03 card=0x7106174b chip=0x54461002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'ATI Technologies' device = 'Rage 128 Pro AGP 4x' class= display Restart X? :-) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
RE: boot0cfg
On Thu, 2003-03-06 at 03:26, John Baldwin wrote: It is strange that only F1 works (start Windows XP), while F3 play some sound. Pressing F5 starts Windows XP, but it could be because Windows on my second disk. Yes I know that there are other boot managers like GRUB, but it is another beer. You need to turn on 'packet' mode by hand. # boot0cfg -o packet ad0 should do the trick. Do you think this should be the default? ie would it fix more things than it breaks? My feeling is yes... Or is sysinstall supposed to set the flags based on where you install stuff? (I had a quick look but couldn't see anything to indicate this was so) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
RE: IP over IEEE1394?
On Thu, 2003-03-06 at 01:06, Cagle, John (ISS-Houston) wrote: Wouldn't you need a firewire switch to do a cluster of more than 2 nodes? Or are you thinking of using multiple firewire interfaces per node? Firewire supports daisy chaining devices, and multiple masters. I have done laptop - firewire hd - desktop PC and used the drive on one machine and setup a network between the two of them :) fwcontrol -t shows bus topology. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: LAN support for nVidia nForce2
On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 04:12, David O'Brien wrote: Should be -- I committed some support for it. rev 1.123 src/sys/pci/if_xl.c What sources are you using? Hmm.. I think that is the 3com chipset is added by some mobo vendors - not actually the nForce2 builtin network device.. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=174064+177805+/usr/local/www/db/text/2003/freebsd-hackers/20030126.freebsd-hackers -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: WLAN
On Mon, 2003-02-24 at 07:27, Gerald Mixa wrote: does anybody know wether FreeBSD supports PCMCIA cards for wireless lan based on 802.11g (54MBit/s) standard? Nope.. 802.11g isn't a final standard yet either (note no WiFi logo on 11g stuff) Personally I'd wait a bit until the standard is finalised and the interoperability tests are done before buying any of it. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: VIA8235 audio support
On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 10:22, Orion Hodson wrote: The VIA8233/8235 audio driver has undergone another revision in an attempt to provide support for the VIA8235. The code is in -CURRENT as of 5 minutes ago. Several people have reported quiet/inaudible sound on P4 boards with this southbridge. If you have a VIA8235 based board, I'd be interested to know if it works for you as several people have reported quiet/near-silent operation with this chipset and I do not have the relevant h/w. The new code paths are used by the h/w that I do have access to (VIA8233C) so testing this code is low risk: the worst case is no sound :-) If you have a suitable board, but are not running -CURRENT. Let me know what version of FreeBSD you'd like it for and I'll do the relevant work for some small number of requests since I really want to resolve this issue. I have such a chipset but it seems to work fine. It's an Epox 8K9AI with a VIA 8235 south bridge, and I'm running FreeBSD 4.7 (almost 4.8-PRE). I merged the changes from -current (didn't apply cleanly but I think I got it right) and it still works, so that is a good start :) :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: fix: lock order reversal proc/filedesc.
On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 21:53, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Alfred Perlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What exactly is broken about dumps for you on ata? Well, after you told me that call dumpsys is no longer kosher (when did that happen, and where was it documented?), I tried 'call doadump': # Debugger(manual escape to debugger) Stopped at Debugger+0x50: xchgl %ebx,in_Debugger.0 db call doadump Dumping 511 MB ata1: resetting devices .. Context switches not allowed in the debugger. db call cpu_reset Makes me want to get my Norwegian Sword [tm] and make a short trip to Denmark. It is becoming increasingly clear to me that the majority of FreeBSD developers don't really care if their code works, as long as they get the credit (and / or paycheck) for committing it. Uhh.. pretty broad/rude call there :-/ -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: ATA code is buggy and slower
On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 13:44, Dong Lin wrote: My 5.0R kernel complains about READ timeout and resetting when I try to dd the disk. But everything *works* if I boot the same equipment with 4.5R and 4.7R. It seems that the error can occur on any sector I pick as long as I keep reading it inside a loop, a sign of timing problems. The 5.0 ATA code is so different that I am not sure where to start. If someone can show me a way to run the 4.7 ATA code under 5.0, I am willing to debug it. My equipment: Promise ATA66 controller(0x4d38105a r01), WDC WD400BB ATA/100, ATA66 cable. Also, my simple dd measurements show that performance is going down: dd if=/dev/ad4 of=/dev/null bs=8m 4.5R: 49 MB/s 4.7R: 39 MB/s 5.0R: does not finish You might get more help if you sent a more complete problem description.. eg dmesg output for a start. I'm pretty sure the 5.x code is almost identical to the 4.x stuff bar extra locking calls. My Quantum fireball drive gets 35Mb/sec under both 4.5 and 4.7.. I have a WD800BB on a 4.7 box and it does 48.7 Mb/sec. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: I've just had a massive file system crash
On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 18:38, Greg Lehey wrote: Did you use shutdown -p? If my hypothesis is correct, it's possible to get this result with shutdown -h if you press the power switch as soon as the System halted message appears, but normally you'd give it a few seconds longer. With shutdown -p, it's immediate, modulo delay. Not certain if I did, but it's likely. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: I've just had a massive file system crash
On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 08:08, David Schultz wrote: Good. I was referring to IDE in this case, because I assume that's what Greg's laptop uses. The ATA driver flushes the cache when the device is closed, but I don't think that happens during shutdown. It probably needs to register a shutdown hook like the SCSI driver. Also, the driver is a bit optimistic about how long the flush will take; it times out after 5 seconds, whereas the ATA spec says a flush can take up to 30 seconds. I am wondering if I experienced this problem with my -stable laptop.. I shut it down and then booted it up later to find fsck having a nice good chew on the drive (deleting REAMS of files). I stopped it and then ripped it out of the lappy and mounted it read only to recover most of my files. Lots of things in /etc got toasted, and it was rather annoying to recover from :( -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD port of BitTorrent is done. Help test
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 06:15, Hunter Peress wrote:
http://www.thiago.joi.com.br/andre/bittorrent.html
Basically, all that is required to minimally get things running is that you have
python2.2 available in your ports tree. (for X GUI u'll need wxpython2.3 for
python2.2 (which the package DOESNT require), but there are still 2 nice command
line interfaces: btdownloadheadless.py, and btdownloadcurses.py).
A few suggestions..
- Install the executables without the .py extension
- Dynamically generate pkg-message and substitute PREFIX
Also, the curses version bails with..
Traceback (most recent call
last):---
File /usr/local/bin/btdownloadcurses.py, line 167, in ?
run(argv[1:])
File /usr/local/bin/btdownloadcurses.py, line 115, in run
download(params, d.chooseFile, d.display, d.finished, d.error, Event(), fieldw)
File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages/BitTorrent/download.py, line 88, in
download
errorfunc('arguments are -\n' + formatDefinitions(defaults, cols))
File /usr/local/bin/btdownloadcurses.py, line 67, in error
self.display()
File /usr/local/bin/btdownloadcurses.py, line 98, in display
fieldwin.addstr(7 + i, 0, self.errors[i], curses.A_BOLD)
_curses.error: addstr() returned ERR
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Re: FreeBSD 5.0 and Dell notebooks
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 17:27, Lars Eggert wrote: With a partition created by Dell's make-suspend-partition floppy, I could suspend and resume with save-to-disk on 4.6. (I have since trashed the partition, because I needed its partition table slot.) So there is some hope this might work on -current also. Provided you stick to APM.. The suspend to disk thing is only available with APM - an ACPI OS is supposed to do all of that stuff without help from the BIOS. Unfortunately no one has written suspend to disk support for FreeBSD yet :( -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD 5.0 and Dell notebooks
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 17:48, Nate Lawson wrote: Provided you stick to APM.. The suspend to disk thing is only available with APM - an ACPI OS is supposed to do all of that stuff without help from the BIOS. Unfortunately no one has written suspend to disk support for FreeBSD yet :( But they have: dumpon(8) -Nate (only half kidding) Well it's almost half way there :) Now for undumpon :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: dhclient in background?
On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 21:16, Dario Freni wrote: Hi everybody. I'm a developer of the FreeSBIE project (just another FreeBSD-on-a-live-cd project). As default network configuration, we've reasonally chosen a dhcp configuration, which is great on a dhcp network, but ugly when it has to wait for timeout. I also had the same problem with my mobile-pc, when it's not attached to my LAN. We could modify rc.network by adding a to the dhclient row, but we are looking for a more efficient way. Can an optional flag be added (configurable in rc.conf)? You could use the timeout option in dhclient.conf.. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Cordless Keyboard + Mouse
On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 06:02, Daren Desjardins wrote: I do use usbd, and it starts a moused service for the mouse at startup. However vidcontrol does not enable the console mouse. I used 'moused -i all -p /dev/usm0' and it prints out usb mouse etc, so it appears to be detecting it. Hmm odd.. I don't see why vidcontrol wouldn't work.. Does it print any error messages? -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Cordless Keyboard + Mouse
On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 12:16, Daren Desjardins wrote: ukbd0: Logitech USB Receiver, rev 1.10/13.10, addr 2, iclass 3/1 ums0: Logitech USB Receiver, rev 1.10/13.10, addr 2, iclass 3/1 Mine shows us as a ps/2 mouse. Is this a USB setup? Mine's a normal non-USB setup. Single wire coming out that splits into a PS/2 connector and a USB connector. If I plug just the USB connector in, dmesg shows both devices however the kb doesnt work. Plugging in just the ps/2 plug I get kb support but dmesg doesnt show the mouse. So I plug both in and have both devices listed. I also tried configuring xfree to use /dev/ums0 directly but it still dies with no core pointer. Personally I'd run usbd and let it run moused for you and then do.. vidcontrol -m on And see if the mouse works there. Check that usbd is running and that it started moused. The keyboard won't work unless you tell usbd to change the console keyboard using 'kbdcontrol -k devname' I believe (I have never used a USB keyboard) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: recent openssh problem
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 15:53, CHOI Junho wrote: % ssh -2 -N -f -L 9595:remote-host:25 remote-host bind: Can't assign requested address I usually use it to forward SMTP to remote host. Is there any change to system or openssh upgrade? Before upgrading, my -current box was built on 25 Nov. It worked silently before. Does lo0 have 127.0.0.1 as it's address? -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: USB issues with Apollo KT133A mobo
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 10:04, Darryl Okahata wrote: I have motherboards where this fix doesn't work :( You have tried -current, right? (I assume that you have, but I just want to make sure.) Cliff mentioned that -current works for him, but 4.7 doesn't. Hmm, no.. It wasn't really an option at the time.. Now I've replaced the boards with other ones which work fine. I haven't searched the archives very hard, but I could only find a reference to the VIA patch being applied to -current (Soren's post of around December 26, 2001). I haven't tried rummaging through the CVS logs. I've always assumed that the VIA patch was MFC'd, but I can't any verification of this. It was MFC'd - I ended up hand MFC'ing it to try out, but it wasn't successful :( -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Problem with ntpdate
On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 05:57, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: ntpdate_flags=-s -b 200.220.255.229: Nov 28 15:15:38 dcs ntpdate[259]: no server suitable for synchronization found Nov 28 15:15:39 dcs ntpd[377]: ntpd 4.1.1b-a Thu Nov 28 11:09:29 BRST 2002 (1) Nov 28 15:15:39 dcs ntpd[377]: kernel time discipline status 2040 Nov 28 15:15:50 dcs ntpd[377]: sendto(200.220.255.229): No route to host That is, the extra time taken NOT resolving clock.tcoip.com.br was, apparently, enough for something in the IP stack to go up. This looks, after all, like a more serious bug than I first assumed. You could try running FreeBSD so that it thinks the CMOS clock is local time the same as windows does.. Have you tried ntpdate debugging? ntptrace can be handy too.. (Although if it works after boot then probably not) I see the 'no route to host message' given by ntpd - perhaps some routes aren't set when ntpdate runs? -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Will official-NVIDIA-driver for 4.7 work with -CURRENT ?
On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 23:52, Erik Trulsson wrote: The README file found at the above URL claims that: quote FreeBSD -STABLE versions older than 4.7 and FreeBSD -CURRENT are not supported. end quote So I guess the answer is no. It is of course possible that it might work anyway even if NVIDIA don't support it but since a kernel module is involved and those are generally not portable between major releases it is not very likely it will work. Actually it says it isn't _supported_ not it doesn't work :) The KLD consists of two parts - one is binary only, and the other has source so you can recompile it under different releases and have it work. Given that the version Matthew Dodd hacked together that used the _linux_ version of this worked in both -current and -stable I would suggest it's probably likely that it will work :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Ports funkyness
OK, so I update my ancient -current box and then realise I have to update all my packages too.. No problem except I get funky stuff like - [guppy 23:02] /usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade sudo portupgrade windowmaker-0.65.1_1 [Updating the pkgdb format:bdb1_btree in /var/db/pkg ... - 98 packages found (-61 +4) (...)(? mkisofs-1.15.a21)(? sysutils/pkg_tarup) done] anonymous: Not in due form: name-version Hmm.. OK, lets do some package deletion manually.. [guppy 23:03] /var/db/pkg sudo pkg_delete mozilla-headers-1.0.rc1_1,1 pkg_delete: package 'mozilla-headers-1.0.rc1_1,1' doesn't have a prefix OK, maybe -f will work [guppy 23:03] /var/db/pkg sudo pkg_delete -f mozilla-headers-1.0.rc1_1,1 pkg_delete: package 'mozilla-headers-1.0.rc1_1,1' doesn't have a prefix [guppy 23:03] /var/db/pkg ls -la /var/db/pkg/mozilla-headers-1.0.rc1_1,1 total 7 -rw-r--r--1 root wheel52 May 9 21:56 +COMMENT -rw-r--r--1 root wheel 0 Nov 3 15:59 +CONTENTS -rw-r--r--1 root wheel83 May 9 21:56 +DESC drwxr-xr-x2 root wheel 512 Nov 3 15:59 . drwxr-xr-x 100 root wheel 4096 Nov 4 23:02 .. Guess not. Now what do I do? :) Ahh, hmm.. guess that zero length +CONTENTS might have something to do with it. Yech, wonder how that happened :( Lots of my ports appear to be damaged the same way :( -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Large 'label'ing defaults for sysinstall
On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 06:39, John De Boskey wrote: The patch is below. I left the one 'if (large)' condition to the very left to show indention while attempting to reduce whitespace diffs. A whitespace only diff can be committed posthumously. I'd like to commit this if there are no major objections. The values of the LARGE defines, will I'm sure, be refined with use :-) But I use /local0 not /home Although that is only on radar machines which store data, all the other machines have a big /usr. My point is that you could keep fiddling the Auto settings and still not make everyone happy. IMHO they should be left as they are. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: mozilla busted?
On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 10:34, M. Warner Losh wrote: % mozilla Fatal error '_pq_insert_head: prioq not protected!' at line 185 in file /dell/imp/p4/newcard/src/lib/libc_r/uthread/uthread_priority_queue.c (errno = 22) Ideas? I'm using mozilla 1.0_2,1 according to the directory in /var/db/pkg. I think mini broke threads recently. Been fixed even more recently too. I believe you can work around it by booting an older kernel.. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: fxp0 failures on APCI/APM resume
The new apci pci-pci code works wonderfully. However, I've got a problem with the fxp driver not reenabling the device correctly upon a resume from suspend. Details below - Note even when I try to put the laptop into suspend mode S2 which it doesn't support the problem occurs, the only solution is a reboot. Patches welcome. Aug 30 09:38:15 draco kernel: acpi0: AcpiGetSleepTypeData failed - AE_NOT_FOUND Aug 30 09:38:50 draco kernel: fxp0: chip is in D3 power mode -- setting to D0 Aug 30 09:38:52 draco kernel: fxp0: SCB timeout: 0xff 0xff 0xff 0x I've had this problem when I didn't have the fxp driver loaded before suspending so it couldn't save the card state. Not sure if it applies in your case but it's something to keep in mind - espcially when testing new stuff where you might not load things as normal. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: 3 floppy system for -current releases
On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 13:59, David O'Brien wrote: Why?? I disagree. CD9600 can go to the 3rd floppy -- if I am installing from floppy's I am 99.9% chance doing a network install. NFSCLIENT definitely should be on the 1st or 2nd, not 3rd floppy -- again because I am most likely doing a network install and that is the 2nd most popular network access protocol (FTP being 1st). Can't say that's true for me. I have to use floppies for a lot of systems because they have SCSI CD-R's in them with crappy non-BIOS patching SCSI cards. I think MSDOS installs are pretty rare and NFS ones even rarer (FTP is easier to setup) Survey time! :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: 3 floppy system for -current releases
On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 14:25, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: I think MSDOS installs are pretty rare and NFS ones even rarer (FTP is easier to setup) I've had one recent example here where FTP wouldn't work, but NFS flew. Weird but I can appreciate it's possible. I wasn't suggesting removing NFS install support, but giving it a lower priority as I suggest that numerically more people do FTP installs. I have no evidence to back my claim though. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: 3 floppy system for -current releases
On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 14:15, Terry Lambert wrote: David O'Brien wrote: Why?? I disagree. CD9600 can go to the 3rd floppy -- if I am installing from floppy's I am 99.9% chance doing a network install. I have an idea... If you only support installing via whatever option wins a vote as The One True Way, then there'll be a 100% chance that that's the way that people will install because that will be the only way that works. ... Is there a particularly good reason people should rip code out, and thereby limit FreeBSD's potential market? Moving it to a third floppy == removing support? I don't _think_ so Tim. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: 3 floppy system for -current releases
On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 14:50, John Hay wrote: So should I commit the code and let us tune what go on which floppy later or should I just sit back and enjoy the ride? I'm not worried too much because the snaps on ftp.za.freebsd.org is working again. :-) ... Yes they are non-standard (they use my patch) but at least they exist, while without the patch there are no snaps. Commit it and hang the dissenters :) Since you're writing it do it the way you want. (Buy flame proof undies too) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf
On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 11:45, Terry Lambert wrote: Anything in the boot path needs to be static, by definition, or you face the Catch-22 of needing to load the driver in order to be able to load the driver. Uhh, not really. If your BIOS supports it (which it must for you to boot off it) then the loader can load any extra modules you need. If your argument was true then the kernel would need to load itself :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf
On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 14:01, Terry Lambert wrote: So, given that the install from a CDROM boots from a floppy image that's faked up by the CDROM drive BIOS, and the image doesn't include the full boot loader, how exactly is it that the partial boot loader code acts like the full bootloader code for accessing the CDROM to load the modules necessary to access the CDROM? No emulation booting. ie WinNT/2K/etc install. I believe John Baldwin has written the support for it - see my other email about it. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Support for USB devices out-of-the-box in -current?
On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 13:04, Jordan Breeding wrote: number of systems ship with USB keyboards these days and it would be nice to be able to use it during sysinstall if no PS/2 keyboard is found. Thanks for any information about whether this will be a reality in 5.0-RELEASE. I believe that is already the case. If it doesn't find a ps/2 keyboard it will assume USB and wait until such a device is attached. (Which really sucks when your PS/2 keyboard isn't detected, but I digress...) usbd is run by sysinstall when it starts and I believe the right stuff is in the kernel to support mice as well, but I don't think it is 100% integrated (eg with the mouse setup widget). Note that these observations are based on -stable sources, so YMMV :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Support for USB devices out-of-the-box in -current?
On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 14:07, Wilkinson,Alex wrote: Does -CURRENT support USD 2.0 yet ? Don't think so, but I am fairly sure it's being worked on. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Support for USB devices out-of-the-box in -current?
On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 14:38, Wilkinson,Alex wrote: By who ? The USB maintainer.. Who's name escapes me at this point :) - Alex Don't think so, but I am fairly sure it's being worked on. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Device cloning
On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 06:45, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: The idea is simple: the same device(major,minor) can be opened several times by different processes (or possibly threads within the same process) and each process (thread) will have unique device instance. Sorry, but this wont work for a large number of reasons. For one thing none of the dup(2) or fork(2) like systemcalls report what happens to the filedescriptors down to the device drivers so you have no way to correctly track which process or which instance you are working on. Can't you kludge this by creating /dev/foo0 and when it is opened replacing it with a different minor number? Or perhaps /dev/foo0 as a symlink to /dev/foo0.0 and when it is opened create /dev/foo0.1 and change the symlink. This is obviously a different major,minor pair but those are the constraints in the system :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_diskmbr.c
On 09-Dec-2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (The other day a coworker of mine wanted to use DD for some IBM DTLA disks, because he'd heard that the disks performed better that way - something to do with scatter-gather not working right unless you used DD. I'm highly skeptical about this since I have my own measurements from IBM DTLA disks partitioned the normal way, ie. NOT DD, and they show the disks performing extremely well. Anybody else want to comment on this?) Sounds like an Old Wives Tale to me. I don't understand the need some people have for using something that is labelled as DANGEROUS. No, it won't hurt your cats but you may lose hair from using it, and for what benefit? NONE! --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: USB and SMP
On 10-Nov-2001 Jim Bryant wrote: I have a [secondary] USB Keyboard with a mouse port on it's side installed, as well as a cameramate CompactFlash reader hooked up. Both work. What chipset though? The OHCI stuff seems less reliable than UHCI. Not sure if its the hardware, the driver or some combination :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
RE: Un-install upgrade application software
On 29-Oct-2001 Kelvin Ng Chee Hoong wrote: I have installed application software from port collection . How do I make un-install ? If I want to upgrade the existing application , how do I upgrade them ? Please advise You can do 'pkg_delete xyz-1.2' (look in /var/db/pkg) Also look at the sysutils/portupgrade port. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: NIS client does perform Ok when my duplex is right (Was: Re:
On 17-Oct-2001 Peter S. Housel wrote: At Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:32:15 +0900 (JST), Daniel O'Connor wrote: Either hack the startup script, or man 5 dhclient.conf :) (Look for medium) And then use media instead, because dhclient.conf(5) is wrong. Ahh, interesting. Obviously I haven't used the feature in question :) Can the man page be changed? --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
RE: NIS client does perform Ok when my duplex is right (Was: Re:
On 17-Oct-2001 Thyer, Matthew wrote: P.S. I would still like to try using DHCP but *NOT* autonegotiating. Is this possible ? Either hack the startup script, or man 5 dhclient.conf :) (Look for medium) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Approach to integrate a driver into the kernel [winmodem]
On 11-Oct-2001 Brandon D. Valentine wrote: If the license on the kernel module is incompatible with the base system, you might be able to get the hooks to support it committed to FreeBSD and get the kernel modules made installable as a port. /usr/local/modules anyone? =) I would _really_ like that :) (No, I have no patches :) At the moment I have integrated the ltmdm driver into sys/modules (uudecode the .o file). This is necessary as I found the only instability was due to a stale kld :-/ There are several other modules that would benefit from this approach too.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: uucp user shell and home directory
On 02-Oct-2001 Bernd Walter wrote: But UUCP is also independend from an IP connection and can run on nearly every bidirectional communication channel - even loosy. And UUCP restarts a dropped transmission exactly where it stopped and doesn't try to retransmit the complete message. There are still uses for UUCP. E.g. I'm doing printing over UUCP from my notebook. I'm not saying there aren't, just curious as to what it gets used for :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: uucp user shell and home directory
On 01-Oct-2001 Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: UUCP still gets used. It's one of the few sane ways to handle email in a laptop environment when you're always connecting through different dialups/ISPs. It has mostly fallen out of favour due to ignorance and FUD. Which is a shame, as it can still be a useful tool in certain situations. I think a more 'modern' solution is POP or IMAP over SSH, you can also feed SMTP over an SSH tunnel too (This is what I use). --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: uucp user shell and home directory
On 02-Oct-2001 Julian Elischer wrote: POP and IMAP (I think) will lose all the envelope information, UUCP keeps that.. What use is it? I don't know what I'm missing... SMTP is a PUSH operation.. I meant that I tunnel SMTP back to my work to send email from a foreign location. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: kern.flp blown out again
On 13-Sep-2001 Jordan Hubbard wrote: Hm. Isn't this a strong sign that something fundamental must be done about the boot floppy process? Alpha has been suffering from this longer already due to the bigger binaries. Hey, be my guest, just so long as we can install from whatever you come up with. :-) Seriously, the fact that it needs fundamental fixing is why we're still using what we do. It's just easier to keep band-aiding it, as ugly a scenario as that might be. I have a patch for sysinstall which allows you to load kld's from a floppy. Basically if you can boot the floppy you can load everything else you need later on. (Except non-pnp ISA devices because you can't specify port/irq/etc) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: kern.flp blown out again
On 13-Sep-2001 David O'Brien wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 06:37:22PM +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote: I have a patch for sysinstall which allows you to load kld's from a floppy. Please post!! :-) http://www.gsoft.com.au/~doconnor/sysinstall-kld.diff I am thinking of storing which modules the user picks and then 'later' in the install process (post install) copying them into /modules (if they aren't already there) and modifying /boot/loader.conf. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
RE: PPP modem dial is completely broken
On 11-Jun-2001 Andrey A. Chernov wrote: With new PPP I can't dial to my provider anymore. Two variants: 1) PPP says Clearing choked output queue and connection stuck forever with carrier on. Nothing else happens. 2) PPP says Too many IPCP NAKs sent - abandoning negotiation and drop carrier forever without further redialing. About months old PPP works fine with the same config. Is it a 'normal' modem, or a USB one? (Not that I have a solution either way, but the usb modem code is still a bit dodgy IMHO :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
RE: usb modems
On 30-Mar-01 Adrian Browne wrote: I was wondering if anyone has had any success with a usb isdn 3com modem or other usb modem types. I have a usb scanner and printer that works great on release 5.0-20010120, but i have failed miserably to get a usb/modem to work. Does anyone know? or could some one advise me of the best approach to a fix or a how2. I ve tried www.usb.org and well errmm no succes :( I recently bought a NetCOMM Roadster II which works very well.. (At least I can dial up and stuff - haven't exaustivly tested it) You may have a Win Modem :( --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: Proposal to mergemaster
On 13-Mar-01 Martin Blapp wrote: 1. Add md5 checksum to the the file-header: --- Add an md5 checksum in the header of the File, maybe in $FreeBSD$ when the file get's comitted. (The $FreeBSD$ line should be sed'd/grepp'd out to md5 the raw file without checksum.) grep -v "$FreeBSD:" defaults/rc.conf | md5 Example: # $FreeBSD: src/etc/defaults/rc.conf,v 1.53.2.15 2001/01/28 20:57:35 jdp Exp md5="1fff7b9d6f6daa0ea9635873bfd0b7cd" $ Then mergemaster can do a md5 over the config file and look if the file has changed. If so, you get asked to merge or install a newer version. If the md5 checksum is the same, the config file get's updated without asking the user. This is computationally difficult to acheive :) (Because the md5 checksum would be part of the file so the md5 checksum would have to take account of itself) The database stores all md5 checksums for every version of a configfile we had (for this branch so it dosn't get to big ?) The database could also be very useful for later usage in the ports- tree (handle make update) I think you could generate this file at installworld time fairly trivially. The ports code does this for each file which is installed and its not too onerous. This would solve my previous point also :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: How could I do with my sound card?
On 23-Feb-01 Liu Siwei wrote: Hello, My question is: My sound card is CS423X, FreeBSD supports it. It says: pcm1: CS423x at port 0x534-0x537,0x388-0x38b,0x220-0x22f irq 5 drq 1,0 on isa0 . But my system is FreeBSD-current, the /dev file system I can't write, can't use sh MAKEDEV snd0, and all software to look for /dev/mixer0 .. So how could to now? try MAKEDEV snd1 I'm fairly sure there is a FAQ or handbook entry on this. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Sound gets the occassional 'beep' coming through
When I play music (or at least mp3's) I get a beep at random intervals. It lasts for 1/10th of a second and is sometimes in the left or right. It seems to be that the the beep is caused by a block of audio being played very fast because the beep occurs and the audio pauses for a fraction of a second. I'm getting quite a few 'hwptr went backwards' messages too (kernel building going on). I have a - FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jan 13 2001 17:44:45 Installed devices: pcm0: Trident 4DWave DX at io 0xe800 irq 9 (4p/1r channels duplex) Recording is hosed as well.. It just plays back as a low pitched buzz.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: PalmPilot emulators don't work on CURRENT
On 29-Dec-00 Juriy Goloveshkin wrote: Can anybody run any PalmPilot emulator on CURRENT? pose and xcopilot don't work. Perhaps if you submitted a bug report worthy of the name someone might be able to help. Does it core? panic the machine? Run but not work as intended? Have you tried recompiling the application and dependancies? etc etc.. Bad bug reports are useless. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Mutex, SMBUS, ACPI (Re: how to mutex'ify a device driver)
On 28-Nov-00 Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Nicolas Souchu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are kernel mutex? A new mechanism for spl replacement? Is it introduced with the new SMP? I found nothing in the mail archives... You mean you don't read -committers, -developers and -arch? Even if he did it's fairly easy to not read a mail that is important. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: making an install CD
On 01-Nov-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody have a link to instructions for making an install CD with the 'current' state. Well, you need to have the CVS repo handy for starters, then try cd /usr/src/release make release CHROOTDIR=/some/place/with/space CVSROOT=/my/cvsroot Read the Makefile for handy tips :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Support for USB scanners in FreeBSD
Nick Hibma wrote: Please do not contact me personally with questions on which scanner is supported. You can get this information from http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/usb/uscanner-support.pl 404 - here is the correct URL - http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/usb/uscanner-supported.pl --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: kernel trap 12 with interrupts disabled?
On 23-Oct-00 The Hermit Hacker wrote: kernel of today, during a make world, generates: Oct 23 18:32:18 thelab /boot/kernel/kernel: kernel trap 12 with interrupts disabled Oct 23 18:32:32 thelab /boot/kernel/kernel: kernel trap 12 with interrupts disabled Oct 23 18:32:39 thelab /boot/kernel/kernel: kernel trap 12 with interrupts disabled and then hangs solid ... I'm running the ahc driver for the following card: ahc0: Adaptec 2940 Ultra SCSI adapter port 0xc800-0xc8ff mem 0xef00-0xef000fff irq 17 at device 13.0 on pci0 aic7880: Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs known problem, or new one? I get the kernel trap messages 5 times on a boot, but my system seems OK, except occasionally it hangs bad (no DDB). I don't have any SCSI adapters however. (Dual PII350 BX chipset, IDE) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: -current grinds exceeding slow
On 12-Oct-00 Bob Bishop wrote: It's not. My current box that is having problems has an fxp0 card. BTW, what speed is your processor? I'm curious because the PPro 200 I have here is having problems, but the PIII-700 isn't very affected. Try removing SMP_DEBUG from your config (see Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from Jason Evans on this thread). That worked for me... Does anyone here run the really new version of Licq? I know it sounds dumb, but it seems that if I run it and do some reasonably heavy disk, processes start getting stuck in things like vnlock, inode and ffsvgt... --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: -current grinds exceeding slow
On 10-Oct-00 Bob Bishop wrote: make world kernel FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #11: Sat Sep 30 15:07:06 BST 2000 elf make world started on Fri Oct 6 08:33:20 BST 2000 elf make world completed on Fri Oct 6 13:30:13 BST 2000 ...just under 5hrs make world kernel FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Oct 8 13:37:48 BST 2000 elf make world started on Sun Oct 8 15:09:39 BST 2000 elf make world completed on Mon Oct 9 16:35:00 BST 2000 ...over 25hrs The machine feels very sluggish too, and the snake sometimes wiggles to a standstill. This is a UP box, I've got an SMP box with the same symptoms. 'Me too'. I notice it gets MUCH worse when using NFS, and just bad when using UFS (don't know if it is FS specific or just the fact that NFS is networked though). --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: Linux Emulation ETTW?
On 14-Sep-00 Tobias Fredriksson wrote: By ETTW i mean estimated time to work :D since the last compile a 1/2 days ago the linux emulation on my non-smp station has failed. Everything that has to use linux emulation crashes the kernel which is rather bad :/ Anybody know when this is schedueled to be looked at / fixed? You are probably using the wrong modules. Make sure you don't have an old /modules directory lying around since the kernel and modules have moved to /boot/xxx --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: netscape
On 08-Sep-00 Piotr Woniak wrote: Hi, I have installed netscape4-navigator and I can't launch its. I've got following message: ld.so failed: Can't find shared library "libXt.so.6.0" You are using the FreeBSD a.out version of Netscape. For this to work you need the 2.2/3.x compat distribution installed. You can install this with sysinstall. Another option is to use the Linux version (ports/www/linux-netscape47-communicator) which has the added advantage of having more plugins (eg flash) available. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: netscape
On 08-Sep-00 Bruce Burden wrote: since the native netscape doesn't bother to read any library path but the "standard" one, which of course points to ELF libraries, and not a.out ones... You're supposed to use ldconfig -aout for that.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: hotmail now running win2000
On 09-Aug-00 The Hermit Hacker wrote: use something like netsaint to monitor those machines? and the APC master switch is web administered, so it would be too easy to build a quick perl script to trigger a power outlet correspondign to the partiular server that was n olonger responding ... Personally I would wire something up to the reset switch instead.. Much less potential for accidentally nuking your hardware if your script is broken and starts toggling machines on and off like mad.. (much less violent on disk etc too) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -e option to umount?
On 19-Jun-00 Brandon D. Valentine wrote: On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Bob Bishop wrote: ejected. I know nothing about what happens when I hit the eject button on a CDROM drive. Anyone care to speculate on if that's a reasonable thing to implement? I think this sort of stuff should be handled by an event daemon.. It could handle stuff like a user hitting the eject button, someone pressing a magic key on the keyboard, and apm events etc.. then do something about it. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: HEADS UP!: config changes...
On 13-Jun-00 Peter Wemm wrote: *** CAUTION IS REQUIRED ***! FYI, an intrusive commit has been done that requires careful attention. If you ignore this or mess it up, it can burn your house down, shoot your dog, close your bank accounts, report you to the IRS, or maybe even something bad. Well, I updated today (CVSup as of 16th June 20:00 UTC) And it worked fine except 1) the generated makefile for my kernel/modules build directory was broken (missing a ; \) - I've been told this is fixed, and 2) I had 'device sc' when it should have been 'device sc 1'. I had a minor problem where the perl script generated lines like - hint.fdc.0.port=""0x3F0"" Which the loader barfed on.. easy to fix though. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: WARNING /dev/wd compat hack removed...
On 15-Jun-00 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Remove the "wd" compatibility name from the "ad" driver. WARNING: If you have not updated to use /dev/wd* in your /etc/fstab You mean 'If you have not updated to use /dev/ad* in your /etc/fstab...' right? --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: mktemp() patch
On 08-Jun-00 Kris Kennaway wrote: On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Boris Popov wrote: Instead of using only alphabetic characters, the patch uses the following character set: 0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz@#%^-_=+:,.~ Symbols '=' and '+' are prohibited in some other filesystems. It is possible to avoid using them ? Yes, but at the expense of weakening the number of possible random filenames :-( IMHO the loss of 2 characters doesn't greatly reduce the number of possibilities, but it DOES greatly reduce the chance of an obscure error message appearing when you try and make a temp file on a brain dead FS. BTW.. For 5 character long temp names with + and = the number of possibile names is 2073071593, without it is 1804229351. (13% less) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: SMP changes and breaking kld object module compatibility
On 26-Apr-00 Andrzej Bialecki wrote: Yes, that's what I'm doing now - so far the best method. But still requires having N+1 boxes (which is not a concern for me, but for someone having e.g. 2 boxes in production this represents 1/3 increment), plus topology allowing for using NFS mounts. True, depending on your setup you can do it ON your production machine :) Or on your workstation etc.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: SMP changes and breaking kld object module compatibility
On a similar note: I think one of serious drawbacks of FreeBSD's model for updating and bugfixing the stable branch is 'make world'. It's very inefficient and cumbersome way to do this on production machines. STABLE is stable enough for us to be able to prepare binary patches, which can be applied to a system in some (known) version. Especially security fixes, which are usually limited to specific programs. Try buildworld on one machine and installworld on all of your production boxes.. installworld only takes 10-20 minutes to run on my crappy IDE disks. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: SMP problem? (was: Re: [usb-bsd] USB To Do list)
On 07-Apr-00 Nick Hibma wrote: What does it say before this info? Shared interrupt? I have the same problem.. The USB controller in on IRQ 10. (Its the PIIX4 one) USB does work on SMP (or at least in some cases). Not me :) Works under UP nicely. uhci0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller port 0xe000-0xe01f irq 10 at device 7.2 on pci0 usb0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered There is nothing else on irq 10. I can do tests if you need to :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: 4.0 sysinstall fails to recognize disks
On 23-Mar-00 Mike Smith wrote: Just rebuild sysinstall, like I told you to start with. Or just bring the disks up by hand, which is much faster. Or even try Warner's 'diskprep' tool. If anyone want diskprep, its at... http://people.freebsd.org/~imp/diskprep --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: emu10k1 (SB Live!) support under FreeBSD?
On 20-Mar-00 Dan Moschuk wrote: | How current is this? Will it work against 4.0-STABLE? I haven't tested it, but I believe so. I applied the patch to a machine which is *just* pre 4/5 split and it patched fine. I used it to get my ALS120 to work. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: calcru / microuptime problem
On 14-Mar-00 Vallo Kallaste wrote: in the BIOS, no apm in kernel. Two PIII-550, one 20GB IBM disk (ATA). Same symptoms as above, heavy disk I/O, I was stress-testing the machine, except the machine hung for some unknown reason: I was able to switch vty's and ping the machine but not login, no disk I/O. I'm waiting for two 36GB IBM SCSI disks, which should arrive soon, then the next round without ATA is what I'm planning. Do you have the latest BIOS rev? --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: calcru / microuptime problem
On 14-Mar-00 Vallo Kallaste wrote: You mean for Tyan mobo? No, it's version 1.16b nongraphical AMIBIOS which come with board. I'm having exactly same board but with SCSI only configuration for my workstation which works without any problem for half a year now. Also SMP, two PIII-500. When the new disks arrive, well, I can try the new BIOS also. Worth a shot I suppose.. Other people seem to recommend it anyway 8-) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: linux-acrobat-4.05 only works with linux-netscape!
On 01-Mar-00 F. Heinrichmeyer wrote: I had until now no success in using the new linux-acrobat-4.05 from bash or from my windowmanager menu. But it works fine when called from linux-netscape! Perhaps this happens because the 'acroread4' program is a shell script with bash'ism's.. It fails normally because the shell is /bin/sh but when run from Netscape it finds /compat/linux/bin/sh (which is bash) and works.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: kdelibs port broken?
On 27-Feb-00 Chuck Robey wrote: fine example, tho. We break the location of the config files that all tcl packages rely upon to build, for the purpose of allowing folks to run multiple versions simultaneously. Tcl isn't the only one like that, either. Anyone who wants to be able to build other tcl software that isn't derived from a port would be well advised to avoid using our port. This is done because none of those programs/libs developed a system on their own which allowed multiple versions to be on the same machine OR made SURE that they where backward compatible.. Its not the ports collection thats at fault, the people who did it this way are cleaning up the mess made by other coders. This happens for tcl, gtk, qt.. There are quite a number. (at least 3! ;) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: kdelibs port broken?
On 27-Feb-00 Chuck Robey wrote: This happens for tcl, gtk, qt.. There are quite a number. (at least 3! ;) Can I ask you, why could this not have been done through a system of symlinks and a little batch-file to switch them? How could you run multiple applications which use different versions of the same library? A lot of them have support files which are loaded by the library when ITs loaded by the app. You would end up with all sorts of nasty race conditions when people run multiple apps etc.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: kdelibs port broken?
On 27-Feb-00 Chuck Robey wrote: Some stuff, like tclsh, could have a default link, say from tclsh to tclsh8.2, or allow a user to set that. That could be a local option, but it's icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. The only real thing I would be after is the ability to stick the config file locations in the places that the original developers (and the configuration scripts they build with) expect them to be. Anything done as far as executeable names, I don't really care too much about. There are only a few libraries that have a config file to aid compiling/linking. Of the ones we 'version' (GTK and GLIB) you can set the GLIB/GTK_CONFIG env. var to tell apps where to find it. I don't think its possible for tcl since it looks in a given path for a config file instead of looking for a config file in the path. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: 4.0: default path when su'd
On 28-Feb-00 Robert Watson wrote: apm and zzz are a couple more for the list in /usr/sbin that is potentially useful for more than just root. vidcontrol probably also falls in that category--things that make sense for console users who may not be administrators. I just put /sbin and /usr/sbin in the normal user path.. Its not like it allows them to do anything they couldn't do themselves and it saves hassle later on when they ask how to run ping :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Crashing netscape?
On 23-Feb-00 Kenneth D. Merry wrote: Well, Alexander Leidinger's suggestion of disabling Javascript seems to help. I disabled both JavaScript and Style Sheets (in the "advanced" preferences menu) and in relatively limited testing, Slashdot didn't crash Netscape for me. If you login to /. you can change your preferences to be 'simple HTML' which makes it not crash netscape and load faster too.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
kdelibs port broken?
I am trying to build the kdelibs port on a -current that is 2 days old.. It fails like so... gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/tmp/work/usr/ports/x11/kdelibs11/work/kdelibs-1.1.2/kdecore' /usr/X11R6/bin/moc ./kconfig.h -o kconfig.moc /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.3: Undefined symbol "_vt$9exception" gmake[2]: *** [kconfig.moc] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/tmp/work/usr/ports/x11/kdelibs11/work/kdelibs-1.1.2/kdecore' Now, I'd look this up in the mailing lists, but the search is still down :( I do remember something about C++ stuff needing to be recompiled (which is why I'm rebuilding kdelibs in the first place).. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: status of 'device awe' ?
On 22-Feb-00 Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: Should be used instead. I am so in favor of just declaring voxware dead... But the armchair generals wouldn't like that. The awe device controls the AWE's wavetable.. newpcm doesn't talk to this (yet - no idea if there are any plans) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: status of 'device awe' ?
On 22-Feb-00 Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: That's why I wanted to kill voxware in 4.0, would allow pcm to be used from default... Now we're stuck to the voxware crap for another release cycle until 5.0 hits the public. shrugs You don't _have_ to use it :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: kdelibs port broken?
On 22-Feb-00 Maxim Sobolev wrote: Now, I'd look this up in the mailing lists, but the search is still down I do remember something about C++ stuff needing to be recompiled (which is why I'm rebuilding kdelibs in the first place).. You have to rebuild qt2 first to be able to run moc. Ahh yes, that fixed it.. I rebuild qt142.. KDE libs works fine now, thanks :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: bzip2 in src tree (Was Re: ports/16252: bsd.port.mk: Add bzi
On 24-Jan-00 David O'Brien wrote: running Winloose, so I actually *CAN* run this in the background. I certainly was not idle while Bzip2 was compressing. Its pretty annoying waiting for something to compress if you want to do other things that depend on it being compressed.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: boot messages for pci devices...
On 19-Jan-00 Matthew Jacob wrote: Do you even need to know what IRQ it was assigned? It seems to me that IRQ, like IO-PORT, is only needed if you're either interested in such stuff or to catch conflicts (both are under bootverbose) What would be nice would be to have the normal version displayed and the verbose stuff go to a seperate buffer and logged seperatly.. ie so you don't clutter your boot screen with junk, but if you have a problem you can get at the verbose info :) .. and no I don't have any patches :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: mouse problem(please help)
On 10-Jan-00 Satyajit Das wrote: mouse not working . Again i run XF86Setup program ,I also choose system , sysmouse" and port /dev/cuaa1 or /dev/sysmouse but no work. please help me how can i work mouse in Xwindows. Well, if the mouse works on the console, then moused is working OK. You should double check your X configuration.. The port should be /dev/sysmouse, and the protocol MouseSystems. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives
On 07-Jan-00 Amancio Hasty wrote: I just thought that I would need to add an audio intergap between tracks but hey if cdrecord can do it great! Well, if you are burning in Track-At-Once mode then there is a 2 second gap between the tracks (and you can't do anything about it). To remove or change the intertrack gaps you need to burn in Disk-At-Once mode.. cdrdao and the newer versions of cdrecord support DAO. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: mmaping /dev/dsp problems
On 29-Dec-99 Charles Anderson wrote: Hello, I'm trying to get the quake 1 source to compile and work under freebsd with glx. 'me too' :) I have it working, it has some 'interesting' colour problems tho.. And it hangs after about 10 seconds of playing around. (Its killable though) Speaking of your mmap() problem.. When I try quake and the mmap sample program they get stuck in pcmflush forever :( --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: New sound driver and Linux games
On 19-Dec-99 Brian W. Buchanan wrote: (and hence its sound system) in mind, not portability. snes9x plays a half second of audio for me, then loops it a few times before either SIGBUS or SIGSEGV. I've tried rebuilding it in case it had something to do with include file changes, but no dice. Does it mmap() the DMA sound buffers? I know Quake 2 does this, and preusmably so does Q3.. I have noticed that the new pcm driver doesn't seem to do mmap()'d audio very well :( --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: calcru() warnings...
On 24-Nov-99 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I still hear reports of sporadic calcru() warnings. If any of you see these, could you try to see if they correlate to the uptime of the machine in question ? I have had them for Seti@Home occasionally. The system hadn't been up for more than 24 hours. Its a dual PII-350. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Netscape and -current
On 22-Nov-99 Steve Kargl wrote: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #1: Mon Nov 15 09:52:45 PST 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/compile/TROUTMASK netscape (for FBSD) works fine. I have -current as of 19-Nov-99 and Netscape works fine (well as well at it ever does..) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: K6-III wrtalloc + mtrr support ?
On 30-Oct-99 Andrew Atrens wrote: I remember this now, I was one of those that got bit by this problem. What I recall is that MTRR support made a dramatic speed improvement, but alas was _extremely_ unstable. That was when I had an ATI Expert@Work card. Since then I've gotten a 3dfx Voodoo3, perhaps this card might be more stable? So Brian, how do I switch this back on ? Well.. I think it depends on the video card.. For example I had a Matrox Millenium II and turning write-combining on worked fine.. No stability or video glitch problems.. I got a TNT2 and tried it.. Not so lucky. It would cause video to glitch badly.. If I just disabled caching for the video cards region it was fine though. I suspect that since the x server feeds commands to the card via a memory mapped region turning write combing hosed its ability to send the commands in the correct order. I suppose I could fiddle with it and find out how big the command window but I haven't bothered yet. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: really draggy NFS access in -current?
On 28-Oct-99 Matthew Jacob wrote: UDP. Local network. Very puzzling. Have you tried a week old kernel? Might be worth the test to see if someone broke something subtle. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
