Re: USB Flash Drives
Rather than mounting the disks, I find it easier to use the mtools port (emulators/mtools). The commands look like the old ms-dos commands, and include a copy command. Sorry if unrelated, but is there any way to avoid system crash after ejection of just like he said - use mtools for DOS-format flashdrives :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo)
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:31:16 +0800 Nguyen Tam Chinh uni...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:26 PM, munkhbayar batkhuu bmr...@gmail.com wrote: My question is, Can you suggest me on more secure open source CMS?, which CMS are you using on FreeBSD?. How about WordPress? Its code is very nice :) A simple but fast CMS is Textpattern. For heavy duty (and a somewhat steep learning curve) TYPO3 (4.2.3) is very good. -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS sxce snv103 ++ + All that's really worth doing is what we do for others (Lewis Carrol) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd
Hi, I know that IM support japanese text. On Freebsd 7.0 with latest imagemagick built from port (6.4.7) and msgothic.ttc copied from windows partition, imagick extension of PHP installed by pecl. in terminal (zsh) I type: convert origin.jpg -fill white -font /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/msgothic.ttc -pointsize 125 -stroke blue -strokewidth 1 -draw text 20,130 '' straight.jpg IM did not informed any error, but the result is japanese text broken (question marks). However, if I ran PHp script (see below), japanese displayed in image fine. What is the reason and how can I solve that? thansk and regards, NTG please do ask on imagemagick support! it's not part of FreeBSD and this problem doesn't look like FreeBSD specific. If you find it FreeBSD port specific, ask at freebsd-ports___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 20:04 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: than not you discourage beginners from getting interested in this i don't discourage beginners that want to learn. Most of them don't. You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers were stupid. Maybe they were... The boss sent him to customer relations training sessions. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 03:02:28PM -0500, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:59 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers do make support for it. what is common today isn't normal. I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. I think he's trying to say that open source drivers would be preferable, and to develop them we'd need the hardware specs so we'd have a target toward which to develop drivers. Of course, preferable is my choice of term -- he seems to be more of the opinion that anything that isn't strictly open source should just be shunned, out of hand. While it would be nice if that was a practical option, it isn't really, at this point. Perhaps he'd be more at home in the Fedora community which are adamant about that too... :P NVidia produces both the hardware and drivers for same. It requested additions/changes to the basic FBSD system to enable their product to be fully functional. Changes that it seems other manufacturers would also need. At least four things need to be clarified: 1. Would the requested changes have a negative effect on system design in some way? 2. Would working on making those changes divert important resources from other, perhaps more important, projects? 3. Are the changes the same as what other hardware vendors would need before they could fully support FreeBSD, or are they different -- possibly even contradictory? If the latter, we need to consider whether such contradictions can be worked around without degrading the stability and performance characteristics of the system, and see what impact such work-arounds would have on the answer to question 2. 4. Is there any way we can talk them into helping us work on fully functional open source drivers, as AMD (which bought ATI) has promised to do for the Linux community? I don't know the answers to any of those four questions -- in part because discussion never gets past the No! You'll destroy FreeBSD if you try to support that hardware! stage of discussion. Now, if FBSD has no intention of working with other hardware and/or software manufacturers/authors, maybe it should just post a big KEEP OUT sign on its web page. I seriously doubt that NVidia, or any other manufacturer is about to divulge trade secrets or patented information. What point would there be in that anyway? It is certainly not necessary. What developer in his/her right mind would be interested in making their product usable on a FBSD system if they knew that they would have to divulge all of their trade secrets, etc. Actually, patents are publicly documented by definition -- we're just not *allowed* to use it, once it has been patented, without permission. The sort of thing they don't want to divulge is trade secrets, which you meantioned -- not patents, which you also mentioned. For some reason, though, some hardware vendors seem inclined to use patents as an excuse for keeping secrets, which never made much sense to me. IANAL, though I read about the law from time to time. Ok, so moving forward on this point: How exactly does this help in developing drivers for FreeBSD? Patents are ideas- right? So wouldn't this mean that it would still require guessing and estimation of what should happen and how to do it? You also mention that they're publicly accessible- how? Whats the portal and how would you search for required device? I ask this not just in reference to NVidia (which has dominated the discussion) but to other devices as well. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 13:05 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:46:55AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions others) are willing to buy product without any documentation. You may find this surprising, but sometimes circumstances lead people to make purchases of total package products rather than building something there are products for them. In other words, your answer seems to be: We don't want users who like FreeBSD, but want to use it on a laptop. FreeBSD should never be used on a laptop. I'd say I can safely ignore you, knowing that's your attitude, if it weren't for the fact that a lot of other people won't know that down the line, and you may permanently damage the FreeBSD project by chasing off potential contributors. Is there any way I can get you to stop being such a contentious trojan horse of an enemy to the FreeBSD project? If one were spiritually minded one might see another reason behind this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB Flash Drives
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 01:59 -0700, fixer wrote: FreeBSD localhost 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 UTC 2007 r...@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 localhost# I just discovered flash drives. They are very easy to use on Windows. I don't know if FreeBSD supports these drives. But if FreeBSD does, I need instructions on how-to-use. Thanks in advance for anyone who can help. Check removable disks in the handbook. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Centralized DB of system users
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 09:48 +0200, Valentin Bud wrote: Hello list, I don't know if the Subject says what i really want to achieve but i do hope that i will make myself understood. I work for a school and i want to install in 2 labs on very low performance computers (1 Ghz CPU, 126 Mb RAM) some linux distro (zen walk). I *need* to install linux because there are some programs that need to run on those stations and guess what, they only work on linux. There are different students that use those computers and they change frequently. So i thought to make a server, using FreeBSD (of course), that has a database of users so the linux machines don't have local users but they query the DB to get login credentials and such. I don't really know what to look for. So any suggestion and hints to how can i achieve this are welcomed. Perhaps what you are looking for is NIS, or better still LDAP? For greater security try kerberos. NIS should be documented in the handbook, lookup OpenLDAP in ports and follow the links or google Good luck! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
If we want FreeBSD to grow to where vendors pick up obscure and not-so-obscure devices and support it more than it is now, we need publicity. If we need publicity, we need marketing types. If we need marketing types, we need to pay them, and we need to put up with them, and even be nice to them. I'm not so sure I want to pay that price. I don't know that it would NEED marketers, but even so that would be making a deal with the devil- so I agree entirely with that point. However, I do think the problem could be better faced technically than from a business standpoint anyway- style would be a major point here. As it stands right now, it's a meritocracy -- those with the skills share their work with others with the skills. It is bound together by the respect we have for each other, and there's not much name-calling going on. The product is technically sound, has better hardware support than other *ixes (I run OpenBSD on servers -- but not on the laptop beause of the lack of laptop support), and gets the job done well. The documentation is simply phenomenal. I'm good with that. I'm also more than pleased that there are barriers to entry based upon a basic unix knowledge level -- I've had one too many encounters with the unwashed to want to go that direction. Linux developers spend more time catering to that crowd, and IMO, it suffers for it as much as it benefits from it. Hence why I tend to send really green unix newbies to linux school than grind their teeth on FreeBSD straight up. Let em get their skills and experience in how *nix in general works on something a little easier (for MIB lovers: noisy cricket), then move up to the big guns. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 09:32 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 08:46:49PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 08:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: snip IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement, it has to improve its hardware support. NVidia, for one, has expressed a desire to support FreeBSD; however, it needs the FreeBSD organization to improve its basic product, especially in the 64-bit systems, which are the future of computing. Ok. So what needs improvement and where to start? Not being critical, I'm interested in this. Personally though, I think the business model here is a failure and seriously flawed. And yes, I did study business at Monash (and butted heads constantly; IF you don't look out for the health and well being of a community, environment, employees, whatever- the extreme social responsibility- then the clients and potential clients die, ergo no customers therefore no money to be made. Thats looking after your bottomline: Duh!) and saw this continually. Marketing the same; The thing people seem to forget is that FreeBSD doesn't have a business model - or that is its business model. It is simply sharing technology without much concern about propagation or return. It accepts contributions of various kinds, mostly in kind. jerry And that is what makes it so good- because of this business model (or lack thereof) the people involved are doing what they love (at least I would hope so), so like with cooking the secret ingredient to a good product is always love (I hope this doesn't sound too sappy! But it is true, more care is always taken when people actually care about what they do). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Centralized DB of system users
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 10:08 +0100, Michel Talon wrote: Lowell Gilbert wrote: NIS, which stands for Network Information Services, was developed by Sun Microsystems to centralize administration of UNIX (originally SunOS) systems. It has now essentially become an industry standard; all major UNIX like systems (Solaris, HP-UX, AIX(R), Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, etc) support NIS. I work i am in a mostly Linux shop managed by NIS. However my machines are under FreeBSD and i have no problem getting the NIS info. The only gotcha is that, under Linux you have 2 files for passwds /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, while under FreeBSD you have just one /etc/master.passwd. So you need to run NIS in compatibility mode on the Linux server, so that passwd and shadow are concatenated. Securitywise it is the same since in any case the shadow information flows on the wire, ready to be captured by a scannner. The main problem with NIS, in my opinion, is that, when the NIS server(s) are down (it always occur once or twice a year here), all the clients are completely frozen immediately, so if you want high availability, better copy the passwd files on each client directly and not use a network server like that. Our previous sysadm had written a couple of replication scripts which worked very well this way. The present one reverted to NIS with this small inconvenient. Replication requires that you only modify passwd files on the server, like with NIS, and then, as soon as a modification is detected, files are propagated on all clients. This is extremely easy to achieve, and *much* more efficient, networkwise than using a thing like NIS or LDAP, where each client is constantly polling the server to get information about home directories, tilde expansions,etc. Wouldn't kerberos be a better alternative? One server (maybe a replicated backup), and all services authenticate with that. Saves shadow on the wire... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers were stupid. Maybe they were... the difference is that FreeBSD is free software. or is not? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers were stupid. Maybe they were... the difference is that FreeBSD is free software. or is not? How is that relevant? -- Glen Barber If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done. --Scott Adams ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Plan9
Hope this deosn't upset the purists... I literally stumbled on a reference to plan9 in the freebsd ports- completely by accident, mind- and so I ran a search for what it was on google. I found an article on wikipedia and from there a link to download the latest iso. Unfortunately the .iso.gz is empty. There is a note saying that downloads are limited, but there is no suggestion of this in the empty file recieved. Given the wide range of experience and backgrounds, plus the references in ports, I figured someone here might possibly know where to get a copy of the iso, or something about it. It looks very interesting and I'd like to look at it, but I'm not sure whether it is still active... Cheers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: Glen Barber wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers were stupid. Maybe they were... the difference is that FreeBSD is free software. or is not? How is that relevant? The tech was being paid to do a job, so he really was contractually obliged to be nice to the customers. FreeBSD isn't under any sort of obligation, contractual or otherwise to do anything. Well, apart from the exceptions where developers have been hired or given grants to implement bits of functionality, or companies have decided to task their employees with developing FreeBSD drivers[*]. Even so, while the obligation of any individual may not be directly to the FreeBSD project itself, the result is effectively just that. Not to mention the moral obligation that developers accept to debug and maintain the code that they give to the project. Sure, no one can demand that a developer drop everything and /fix/ /this/ /now/ but most developers, most of the time, will respond extremely quickly to well-formed bug reports concerning their areas of interest. The difference is the degree and nature of the motivation to work on FreeBSD related things. Ideally developers are self-motivated. They do it because they want to, not because they have to or because they won't get paid if they don't[+]. It's not an entirely black and white distinction -- after all, employees aren't slaves. If they really can't stand being nice to the idiot customers, they always have the option of seeking alternative employment. Cheers, There being no more need to add anything, with that simple and clear clarification from Dr. Matthew, let us all bow and say Amen! to this thread. Amen. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic, unlike our MPs! -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 18:46 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:47:23PM -0800, prad wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:25 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: His manner of expressing his feelings seems to be to try to crush others' beneath his heel. Try examining the definition of the word fair before you use it in the future. ok, chad, here's what you find on dictionary.com that are relevant: 1. free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision; a fair judge. 2. legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper under the rules: a fair fight. My point exactly -- you rush to his defense, making statements that seem intended to skewer me for things he has done. I don't consider that the epitome of fairness. ok no one is really free from bias when it comes to these things. as shaw (i think) once wrote an unbiased opinion isn't worth a damn. i do not think you have provided specific evidence that he has been dishonesty or unjust ... much less so that he has even been incorrect. Let's take, as an example, the link I provided in response to a comment of his that prompted a couple people to defend him. I've given him that URL three or four times in the last year, in direct response to some statement he has made suggesting that FreeBSD desktops simply cannot compare with MS Windows desktops in terms of flashiness, bells and whistles, et cetera. Each time, I have very clearly stated my disagreement with his estimation of FreeBSD as being thoroughly beaten by MS Windows in that area, with that URL provided as evidence to back my claim. Each time, he has completely ignored what I said and the URL I provided. He keeps coming back to make exactly the same sort of claims he has before, utterly failing to addresses arguments against his hand-waving statements without any logical or evidenciary support. Nobody else has bothered to dispute what I've said, either. In absence of, at *minimum*, some half-assed attempt to make a case against what I've provided, I will continue to regard his repetition of disputed, unsupported statements to be dishonest or at least wildly inaccurate. That's generally how *reasonable* people treat hand-waving arguments like his, with no logical or evidenciary support -- nor even personal, anecdotal support -- when they are disputed by a counterargument *with support*. Would you prefer I just accept his statements, which fly in the face of my own experience, even after he fails to answer supported disputations of their content, just because it's him and you say he has to be right about everything? Even if his statement itself isn't dishonest, his unwillingness to either back away from it or offer a counterargument when it is effectively disputed is dishonest. He pretends there is no other side to the matter, no other valid opinion, yet resolutely refuses to acknowledge such other side arguments when they arise. I use an example of my own statements only because I'm most familiar with my own statements -- not because others do not exist. and as far as 'sticking to the rules', he hasn't abused anyone from any of the posts i recall reading, so within the terms of conduct of an email list, i don't find your picturesque expression 'crush others beneath his heel' legitimate. I guess you haven't been reading very closely. If he just said If this doesn't suit your needs, try something else, I wouldn't have a problem. Telling people patent falsehoods about how FreeBSD simply can't do what other OSes can, even in cases where FreeBSD can do them *better* than those other OSes, in an attempt to drive away anyone that might be looking at FreeBSD as a possible migration path, is rather suboptimal in my opinion, however. it would be suboptimal, if it were true. however, i really can't recall anything of the sort, chad - ever. and certainly not in this thread. i also don't understand why you think he'd be even motivated to do this. of what possible interest could it be for him to drive others away from freebsd? Oh, poppycock. Go back and read the very post to which I responded when I called him a troll. Notice how he says things that seem carefully calculated to make people think Oh, this FreeBSD thing obviously sucks as a desktop OS. Take off the blinders. I have no idea why he'd be motivated to do that. I'm not him. All I know is what I've seen him do increasingly often over the last year. I can actually confirm this observation over the past year and beyond. It has begun innocently enough in the past couple of years and has grown in intensity since. I don't particularly want to be drawn into this debate, but this does seem to be rather one sided argument. My philosophy is to simply ignore most comments, counter some of them, and draw the OP to more balanced views. I doubt that any arguments
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
are thousands of hardware bugs. with secret drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs. Actually that sounds like a very close approximation of what is going most high end popular products are just buggy. as long as most people buy them just to be better than friend that bought older model half year ago - they will keep producing this shit. Really well hardware can be made, but not with half year production cycle. at least 3 years. What I can't equate with is why its acceptable for intel to do the same... check if_iwi and its firmware. No other wifi device (that I'm aware of- maybe you need check more :) put in a rl nic. The cpus are shit as well- I've had no end of trouble with them, plus too hot, power hungry etc. as most people liked ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re[2]: can not start SVNserve
Здравствуйте, David. I have home# uname -a FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 02:11:24 EEST 2008 k...@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 on this machine sveserve startsup normally My confusion comes from the output of PW home# pw user show svn svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin pw is utility to edit /etc/master.passwd home# cat /etc/master.passwd | grep svn svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin showing me that user svn is a valid user 'svn' user is valid user Have you tried changing the svn user shell to /bin/bash telling this: :/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin I point that anyone can not use this user to login to system. But because of 'svn' is valid system user process can low his right to 'svn' user On this HOME machine when I try run svnserve it is runned despite on 'su svn' can not login me: home# su svn This account is currently not available. home# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Starting svnserve. home# ps ax|grep svn 34209 ?? Ss 0:00,00 /usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 -r /usr 34211 p0 S+ 0:00,00 grep svn But on other machine with same user I can not start svnserver kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Starting svnserve. su: Sorry kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Starting svnserve. su: Sorry DW Have you tried changing the svn user shell to /bin/bash and see if DW your startup script is working. the differences between this machines only are next: home# svnserve --version svnserve, version 1.5.1 (r32289) compiled Aug 3 2008, 00:10:41 home# uname -a FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 02:11:24 EEST 2008 k...@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 and kes# svnserve --version svnserve, version 1.5.2 (r32768) compiled Oct 8 2008, 21:55:55 kes# uname -a FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 17:19:12 EET 2008 k...@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 DW It would be helpful if you explained your system, setup, what you were DW doing, and the results instead of simply showing us the output of a DW couple of commands. It is hard to figure out exactly what you are DW trying to do and what you have done. I try to run 'svnserve'. I just install svnserver and add user svn to run svnserve under. I do same things on 'kes' as on 'home' machine. Вы писали 14 декабря 2008 г., 7:22:39: DW I'm a bit confused by what you're asking. I believe PW is a command DW for editing groups and users on BSD, but I've never really used it. DW My confusion comes from the output of PW. A typical user line has DW seven fields, your output shows 11 fields. I am assuming that you're DW showing me that user svn is a valid user. However, the shell is DW setup to be /usr/sbin/nologin (which I assume is similar to setting DW the shell to /etc/false). DW Doing a su svn won't log you in becuase of the shell. I don't have DW the /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve script in front of me, so I can't DW tell you what it is doing, but I suspect that since the su svn DW command doesn't work, the script also does a su svn -c $command, and DW that is failing since your svn user is set to the nologin shell. DW Have you tried changing the svn user shell to /bin/bash and see if DW your startup script is working. DW At least, once you've changed your shell to /bin/bash, you'll be DW able to sign on as user svn, and try to start up the svnserve DW program manually. Then, we can determine if the problem is with DW svnserve or with your startup script. DW It would be helpful if you explained your system, setup, what you were DW doing, and the results instead of simply showing us the output of a DW couple of commands. It is hard to figure out exactly what you are DW trying to do and what you have done. DW In theory, your computer is doing exactly what you told it to do -- no DW more, no less, and thus there is no problem. Everything is working DW perfectly as programmed. DW What we need to know is what you *WANTED* it to do. Then we can figure DW out how to get your system setup to do just that. DW On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:13 AM, KES kes-...@yandex.ru wrote: Здравствуйте, Users. What is wrong? kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin kes# su svn su: Sorry kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Starting svnserve. su: Sorry -- С уважением, KES mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru -- http://subversion.tigris.org/ds/viewMessage.do?dsForumId=1065dsMessageId=983277 To unsubscribe from this discussion, e-mail: [users-unsubscr...@subversion.tigris.org]. -- С
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 02:44 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general ignorance of daycoders and pointy-haired bosses -- all of whom think Java is the best programming language around because that's what most programmers use and have some vague, unsupported (but stubborn) notion that secrets are good for business. At least it *seems* they all think so. I'm sorry, but the only image I could conjure up for a pointy-haired boss was Bart Simpson in a suit (or Lisa as President) :D Do you have another image in mind? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
related things. Ideally developers are self-motivated. They do it because they want to, not because they have to or because they won't get paid if they don't[+]. It's not an entirely black and white distinction -- after all, employees aren't slaves. If they really can't stand being nice to the idiot customers, they always have the option of seeking alternative employment. or going on your own. in my practice rejecting part of customers (those who are really idiots) make sense. you get say 20% less money for 10 times less work. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 10:37 -0800, prad wrote: On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:51:22 +1000 Da Rock rock_on_the_...@comcen.com.au wrote: The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO work in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good. i'm not so sure that is really THAT good. bells and whistles if not carefully thought out and implemented can add to instability. possibly more important, they can pervert the original good idea. i think the newer kde's is a case in point (from my personal experience, albeit). version 3 was good (despite the occasional crash). version 4 seemed to try to do all sorts of stuff and outdo windoze at being windoze. i'm using dwm :D i think this issue was dealt with rather well in the openbsd faq: - 1.10 - Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? This question is often asked in exactly this manner -- with no explanation of what the asker means by desktop. The only person who can answer that question is you, as it depends on what your needs and expectations are. While OpenBSD has a great reputation as a server operating system, it can be and is used on the desktop. Many desktop applications are available through packages and ports. As with all operating system decisions, the question is: can it do the job you desire in the way you wish? You must answer this question for yourself. http://openbsd.org/faq/faq1.html#Desktop - while i agree with you as far as having suitable driver accessibility, i don't see why one system needs to try to be all things to all people. All this is a fair comment. In particular the reply to bells and whistles. My main concern with KDE4 (now that I've seen it) is that while the bells and whistles are there, they don't seem complete there are still at least the little aesthetics to fix- not to mention the crashes, inoperability, etc. While it outdoes window$ on functional stability etc, I think they may have jumped the gun on this one. A more polished and complete product later would have far more success- take time for all the little things: if its there it SHOULD work properly. As for who and why should use it: thats for the intellects to argue. My only argument is if the jobs worth doing do it properly the first time. I think what many get up in arms about is what the system should be capable of doing. And yes there are many more comments on the multimedia list- which should be saying something to people: there is no other system out there that is sufficient for their needs, so they come to the only operating system that has the strength, speed, and stability to offer a possibility of what they want (I'm one of them). Linux isn't up to scratch although driver support is better, but it doesn't hold up under the kind of stresses being placed on it for this level of work. There are many uses that FreeBSD is up to the challenge with operationally but doesn't have the driver support. Even if a link is created between linux and BSD driver wise (temporarily until native support) the stability of FreeBSD can counter more of the inconsistencies in the driver software. On top of that, there are more hardware vendors making more new products FOR SERVERS that there is no driver support for. Gone are the days when one vendor sells the chipset to many different hardware implementations; now there are many chipsets for the same hardware types, so more drivers need to be written for the new hardware coming out on a continual basis. Plus what is considered to be a server has changed over the years compared to what some on this list may be used to. Consider video streaming (where does the stream originate from?), sound streaming, 3D rendering, physics computation, X services; in this climate of cloud computing there is going to be a lot more coming. Food for thought anyway. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:05:26 +1000 Da Rock rock_on_the_...@comcen.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 13:05 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:46:55AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions others) are willing to buy product without any documentation. You may find this surprising, but sometimes circumstances lead people to make purchases of total package products rather than building something there are products for them. In other words, your answer seems to be: We don't want users who like FreeBSD, but want to use it on a laptop. FreeBSD should never be used on a laptop. I'd say I can safely ignore you, knowing that's your attitude, if it weren't for the fact that a lot of other people won't know that down the line, and you may permanently damage the FreeBSD project by chasing off potential contributors. Is there any way I can get you to stop being such a contentious trojan horse of an enemy to the FreeBSD project? If one were spiritually minded one might see another reason behind this. Reminds me of a posting I recently saw on Slashdot: (paraphrased) Criticizing FreeBSD = Flame Bait; Criticizing MS Windows = Insightful -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com Remember that there is an outside world to see and enjoy. Hans Liepmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
Glen Barber wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers were stupid. Maybe they were... the difference is that FreeBSD is free software. or is not? How is that relevant? The tech was being paid to do a job, so he really was contractually obliged to be nice to the customers. FreeBSD isn't under any sort of obligation, contractual or otherwise to do anything. Well, apart from the exceptions where developers have been hired or given grants to implement bits of functionality, or companies have decided to task their employees with developing FreeBSD drivers[*]. Even so, while the obligation of any individual may not be directly to the FreeBSD project itself, the result is effectively just that. Not to mention the moral obligation that developers accept to debug and maintain the code that they give to the project. Sure, no one can demand that a developer drop everything and /fix/ /this/ /now/ but most developers, most of the time, will respond extremely quickly to well-formed bug reports concerning their areas of interest. The difference is the degree and nature of the motivation to work on FreeBSD related things. Ideally developers are self-motivated. They do it because they want to, not because they have to or because they won't get paid if they don't[+]. It's not an entirely black and white distinction -- after all, employees aren't slaves. If they really can't stand being nice to the idiot customers, they always have the option of seeking alternative employment. Cheers, Matthew [*] I'm thinking of the Intel NICs that Jack Vogel maintains in particular here. [+] Although being paid to do what you would be doing anyhow is always nice. -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 22:46 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? no. all i want is to stop all stupid topics about: - KDE/Gnome/other crap (or great things for somebody) BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF FREEBSD. FreeBSD has nothing to this, except KDE/Gnome/whatever can be run on it - support of flash in Opera/Firefox/Whatever again BECAUSE WWW BROWSER ARE NOT PART OF FREEBSD. - support of new/hot (literally)/super/extra graphics cards from NVidia. BECAUSE Xorg IS NOT PART OF FREEBSD. While IMHO full graphics support (graphics support, not GUI) should be part of kernel as driver, it isn't. As NVidia card Xorg module does need some kernel wrapper (no idea why) - then there is nothing wrong for interested people to write it as ADD ON/PORT. - asking about bloat level, visual apperance comparision etc. between FreeBSD with KDE and Windoze. because KDE ARE NOT PART OF FREEBSD, and FreeBSD on it's own doesn't have (fortunately) any desktop environment so it can't be compared. if someone like to compare KDE with windoze - OK but NOT THIS GROUP! SO - please just stop ALL NTG topics here. this group really lacks moderator. not someone that will remove posts he considers lame but all that is off topic. Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS. Things not run on FreeBSD could (and should) be considered off topic, but if the software is run on FreeBSD (which is an OS, might I remind, not an app) then it does concern FreeBSD- especially if it works elsewhere (in the exact same method- ie kde on linux and freebsd, not necessarily flash). LDAP and NSS is not actually a part of FreeBSD too, neither is postfix, apache, xfce, etc. And yet you have nothing against those. Beware what you advocate... If you take this stance on THIS LIST then you will scare future community members away, and this list will have nothing to talk about (says something about how good FreeBSD itself is). If someone takes a step and asks about FreeBSD from a window$ perspective, M$ is NOT an alternative- obviously they've woken out their dream state to find a nightmare, let them sharpen their claws in linux ok? Then they can come better equiped and have a better understanding of how *nix works- don't shooo them back to the nightmare world of Gates. Commend users for stepping out of a hand fed state- don't snarl at them and tell them they're too stupid. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: iwi config help
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 11:29 +, AN wrote: I'm trying to configure a wireless adapter on an IBM Thinkpad R51, and need some help. I followed the iwi man page, but the card is not recognized. I have the following in /boot/loader.conf: cat /boot/loader.conf if_iwi_load=YES wlan_load=YES firmware_load=YES loader_logo=beastie snd_ich_load=YES kldstat shows: Id Refs AddressSize Name 1 18 0xc040 7c7990 kernel 21 0xc0bc8000 e6e4 if_iwi.ko 32 0xc0bd7000 2f9c firmware.ko 41 0xc0bda000 6994 snd_ich.ko 52 0xc0be1000 239e8sound.ko 61 0xc0c05000 5c838acpi.ko 71 0xc5547000 19000linux.ko 81 0xc5706000 1e000radeon.ko 91 0xc5724000 e000 drm.ko pkg_info | grep iwi iwi-firmware-kmod-3.0_3 Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 Firmware Kernel Module dmesg |grep iwi Preloaded elf module /boot/kernel/if_iwi.ko at 0xc0c63188. dmesg |grep firmware Preloaded elf module /boot/kernel/firmware.ko at 0xc0c63234. pciconf -lv a...@pci0:0:0:class=0x06 card=0x05291014 chip=0x33408086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82855PM Processor to I/O Controller' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI pc...@pci0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x chip=0x33418086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82855PM Processor to AGP Controller' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI uh...@pci0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24c28086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uh...@pci0:29:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24c48086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uh...@pci0:29:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24c78086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB eh...@pci0:29:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x052e1014 chip=0x24cd8086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB 2.0 EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB pc...@pci0:30:0: class=0x060400 card=0x chip=0x24488086 rev=0x81 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801BAM/CAM/DBM (ICH2-M/3-M/4-M) Hub Interface to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI is...@pci0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x chip=0x24cc8086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA atap...@pci0:31:1:class=0x01018a card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24ca8086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DBM (ICH4-M) UltraATA/100 EIDE Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA no...@pci0:31:3: class=0x0c0500 card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24c38086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus p...@pci0:31:5: class=0x040100 card=0x05541014 chip=0x24c58086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller' class = multimedia subclass = audio no...@pci0:31:6: class=0x070300 card=0x05591014 chip=0x24c68086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller' class = simple comms subclass = generic modem d...@pci1:0:0:class=0x03 card=0x05311014 chip=0x4c661002 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'ATI Technologies Inc' device = 'ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 (Microsoft Corporation - Radeon Mobility M9' class = display subclass = VGA c...@pci2:0:0:class=0x060700 card=0x05521014 chip=0xac46104c rev=0x01 hdr=0x02 vendor = 'Texas Instruments (TI)' device = 'PCI4520 PC Card CardBus Controller' class = bridge subclass = PCI-CardBus fwoh...@pci2:0:2: class=0x0c0010 card=0x05531014 chip=0x802a104c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Texas Instruments (TI)' class = serial bus subclass = FireWire e...@pci2:1:0:class=0x02 card=0x05491014 chip=0x101e8086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device
Re: Re[2]: can not start SVNserve
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: su: Sorry kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Starting svnserve. su: Sorry try to change directory to existent (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. (2) As you said: Check existing directory. (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Canonical way for DHCP-IP-/etc/hosts
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:00:12PM +0100, Roger Olofsson wrote: Dear mailing list, I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives referrer errors for me. Pre-conditions. Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other dynamical IP from ISP. Question: What is the canonical way for catching the IP address from a DHCP assigned nic (from ISP that doesn't set hostname) and put the IP into /etc/hosts with a hostname? Reason for asking Firewall rules needs refreshing after new IP Possible answers: Create dhcp-exit-hooks (undocumented?) in /etc like so: #!/bin/sh if [ ! -z $new_ip_address ]; then IP=`ifconfig WAN | grep 'inet' | grep -v 'inet6' | cut -f 2 -d ' '` if [ ! -z $IP ]; then echo $IP wan.local.domain wan /etc/hosts refresh firewall rules here fi fi Hello. I think pf can handle with dhcp updates on interfaces pretty well. If only I get your question right. -- Best regards, Jeff () X-mas ribbon campaign /\ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Canonical way for DHCP-IP-/etc/hosts
Roger Olofsson skrev: Dear mailing list, I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives referrer errors for me. Pre-conditions. Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other dynamical IP from ISP. Question: What is the canonical way for catching the IP address from a DHCP assigned nic (from ISP that doesn't set hostname) and put the IP into /etc/hosts with a hostname? Reason for asking Firewall rules needs refreshing after new IP Possible answers: Create dhcp-exit-hooks (undocumented?) in /etc like so: #!/bin/sh if [ ! -z $new_ip_address ]; then IP=`ifconfig WAN | grep 'inet' | grep -v 'inet6' | cut -f 2 -d ' '` if [ ! -z $IP ]; then echo $IPwan.local.domain wan /etc/hosts refresh firewall rules here fi fi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: 2008-12-13 16:56 Sorry I mean dhclient-exit-hooks not dhcp-exit-hooks /R ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
with secret drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs. Actually that sounds like a very close approximation of what is going on. It explains why cpu usage can go up some times during use. another example. Part of AMD phenom CPUs have TLB cache bug - actually making in unusable for anything serious. But - this CPUs are still available for sale. not as broken but as new. you won't even get informed about it when buying, Why? because people accepted it ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Canonical way for DHCP-IP-/etc/hosts
Dear mailing list, I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives referrer errors for me. Pre-conditions. Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other dynamical IP from ISP. Question: What is the canonical way for catching the IP address from a DHCP assigned nic (from ISP that doesn't set hostname) and put the IP into /etc/hosts with a hostname? Reason for asking Firewall rules needs refreshing after new IP Possible answers: Create dhcp-exit-hooks (undocumented?) in /etc like so: #!/bin/sh if [ ! -z $new_ip_address ]; then IP=`ifconfig WAN | grep 'inet' | grep -v 'inet6' | cut -f 2 -d ' '` if [ ! -z $IP ]; then echo $IP wan.local.domain wan /etc/hosts refresh firewall rules here fi fi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 19:15 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: cropping up and saying the equivalent of If we work on that stuff, FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck. I disagree with because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. Its better at providing window$ functionality than window$ is and is a lot more stable. If linux can do that, than imagine what well designed software on FreeBSD could do (is doing)? Linux may suck (I agree mostly with that sentiment), but it still is a good halfway house for head stuck in the sand M$ users looking for a better way of doing things. Then they can graduate to utopia... :) KDE4 at least works better and closer to how it should be on FreeBSD- even if it is incomplete. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 21:35 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers do make support for it. what is common today isn't normal. I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions others) are willing to buy product without any documentation. if you think they do this to hide their hardware secrets you are wrong. See x86 instruction set - does it reveal how Intel or Amd made their processor so fast? no! They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true reason they do this. With new hardware produced every year it MUST be buggy and certainly there are thousands of hardware bugs. with secret drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs. Actually that sounds like a very close approximation of what is going on. It explains why cpu usage can go up some times during use. What I can't equate with is why its acceptable for intel to do the same... check if_iwi and its firmware. No other wifi device (that I'm aware of- at least they'd be in the minority anyway) works this way. The excuse is fcc regs- I doubt that... And before anyone defends intel: I've spent a lot of time wasted on making their stupid nics to work in windows, I usually just flick em and put in a rl nic. The cpus are shit as well- I've had no end of trouble with them, plus too hot, power hungry etc. Alas, finding a decent notebook with an alternative has been to no avail... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Centralized DB of system users
Wouldn't kerberos be a better alternative? One server (maybe a replicated backup), and all services authenticate with that. Saves shadow on the wire... I think the ulitimate question is going to be at what level of pain does the person wish to suffer to achieve his goals there are numerous ways to do it, though some can be painful, if not experienced. I struggle to get my brain around an environment with mulitple OSes in it, where i would lean towards the LDAP method, though you raise a valid point where kerberos could fit nicely, though Im not sure we are aware of the long term goals or the project where one might be adding in other types of Operating Systems. Then we have the discussion of interoperability. If it stays as in his game plan and doesnt encounter scope creep (not like it doesnt happen) at some time, he might wish to choose the best overall design to implement, again my vote would be LDAP. it is the most globally scaable, relocable and interoperable once its deployed allowing for future growth without a serious amount of pain. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Centralized DB of system users
On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 17:59 +0700, Outback Dingo wrote: Wouldn't kerberos be a better alternative? One server (maybe a replicated backup), and all services authenticate with that. Saves shadow on the wire... I think the ulitimate question is going to be at what level of pain does the person wish to suffer to achieve his goals there are numerous ways to do it, though some can be painful, if not experienced. I struggle to get my brain around an environment with mulitple OSes in it, where i would lean towards the LDAP method, though you raise a valid point where kerberos could fit nicely, though Im not sure we are aware of the long term goals or the project where one might be adding in other types of Operating Systems. Then we have the discussion of interoperability. If it stays as in his game plan and doesnt encounter scope creep (not like it doesnt happen) at some time, he might wish to choose the best overall design to implement, again my vote would be LDAP. it is the most globally scaable, relocable and interoperable once its deployed allowing for future growth without a serious amount of pain. Actually kerberos is quite widely supported in one form or other and is mostly interoperable (from my understanding anyway), and its surprisingly easy to implement- easier than ldap in my opinion. Even M$ crap uses it (different implementation, but basically the same). Plus the security it offers is by far worth the pain that could be caused. You mainly have to concentrate attention on the kdc access, as all auth runs off it, instead of every service on the network. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: (no subject)
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 15:47 +0330, abedini wrote: Hi all dear I have laptop acer 4220 and I need to install FreeBSD. This laptop have sata HDD how can install FreeBSD in this system. If you have the iso for freebsd on cd you can simply boot from the cd and follow the bouncing ball (similar to other systems except still in text mode). Other than that follow the handbook found under documentation on the freebsd site. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re[2]: can not start SVNserve
su: Sorry kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Starting svnserve. su: Sorry try to change directory to existent ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Firebird client fails port install
I'm trying to install php5-extensions (which includes firebird), but its failing with an error code 1 on firebird20-client. It does mention running make to build firebird, but not as root. So I've tried everything to get this to work: running make as my wheel group user, installing as a pkg instead. What could I be missing? (And before anybody asks: I ran portsnap fetch update twice yesterday - and I did run the update. I've learnt my lesson from last time...) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Release schedules
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Thank you Jonathan - I cannot give much to FBSD as I am not a programmer either but - again - if I can be of any use communication-wise, I am happy to join the community and serve. Actually, you could give a lot to the project. I could think of a few things and I'm sure others could think of more 1) Testing -STABLE or -CURRENT and submitting bugs reports 2) Writing or translating docs 3) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html section 1.1 -- Eitan Adler GNU Key fingerptrint: 2E13 BC16 5F54 0FBD 62ED 42B6 B65F 24AB E9C2 CCD1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
freebsd-update killed my /var
Hey all, Recently I've run freebsd-update on my desktop machine, but it failed saying that it cannot save its files anymore to /var because the filesystem is full. now df shows something like this: # df /dev/ad0s1d253678 250630 -17248 107% /var I'm in the middle of solving the problem, now I think of adding new filesystem and replacing the old /var with it. And it would be more than great if freebsd-update notified users how much of free space it needs. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
send performance of rl(4)
Transferring files from my desktop to my laptop with rsync (over a point-to-point netowork connection) is extremely slow, maxing out at around 50 kB/s and often dropping to 0. Both systems show hardly any activity. Is this normal for rsync running over a network? There is a rsync daemon running on the laptop. Network interface on the laptop is xl(4), the desktop is rl(4). I think that the link is OK, because transferring dumps with nc from the laptop to the desktop can max out the connection (9000-1 kB/s over 100baseTX full-duplex). However, when I try nc to transfer a file from the desktop to the laptop it is extremely slow, topping out at around 200 kB/s. When I check with netstat, the qeues on the laptop are empty, while the send-queue on the desktop shows a large value: Active Internet connections Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address(state) tcp4 0 40951 192.168.0.1.55460 rfs.65000 ESTABLISHED I've tried disabling the firewall on the desktop (laptop doesn't have one) and enabling polling on both interfaces. It doesn't seem to make any difference. Are there any bottlenecks I could check for? Or is this just a case of crappy hardware? The rl(4) based cards don't seem to have a very good reputation. I've got an old 3com 905B card lying around. Would it help if I used that instead? Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpHNvXPw0gra.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
Da Rock writes: I'm sorry, but the only image I could conjure up for a pointy-haired boss was Bart Simpson in a suit (or Lisa as President) :D Do you have another image in mind? You are obviously not familiar with the comic strip Dilbert written by Scott Adams. Please fix this before continiung to breathe. :-) Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: send performance of rl(4)
Transferring files from my desktop to my laptop with rsync (over a point-to-point netowork connection) is extremely slow, maxing out at around 50 kB/s and often dropping to 0. Both systems show hardly any activity. Is this normal for rsync running over a network? There is a no. rsync daemon running on the laptop. Network interface on the laptop is xl(4), the desktop is rl(4). it may be problem with autoconfiguration of speed and half/full duplex. try setting it manually on one or both sides. it's unfortunately common ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On 12 dec 2008, at 20:32, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I disagree. I believe, rather, that support for closed hardware specs isn't *as* important -- but is still at least somewhat important. My reservation to the 3D driver thing is it is setting a very dangerous precedent if the solution involves allowing a third party commercial enterprise to dictate features FreeBSD must include before they will support it. NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers do make support for it. what is common today isn't normal. did FreeBSD change to GPL? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Canonical way for DHCP-IP-/etc/hosts
I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives referrer errors for me. Pre-conditions. Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other dynamical IP from ISP. Question: What is the canonical way for catching the IP address from a DHCP assigned nic (from ISP that doesn't set hostname) and put the IP into /etc/hosts with a hostname? man dhclient.conf you can specify your script that will be started on changes, but i won't tell you ready-to-use example because i never needed it. write your script that will fix /etc/hosts on IP change. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On 12 dec 2008, at 21:54, dick hoogendijk wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true reason they do this. With new hardware produced every year it MUST be buggy and certainly there are thousands of hardware bugs. with secret drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs. Your talking about things without providing any evidence as usual. It's just bollocks. NVidia has fabulous 3dgraphics cards and their drivers work very very well. At least they do on solaris (32/64bit). ...and Mac OSX and Linux and even Windows ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: send performance of rl(4)
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 03:45:35PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Transferring files from my desktop to my laptop with rsync (over a point-to-point netowork connection) is extremely slow, maxing out at around 50 kB/s and often dropping to 0. Both systems show hardly any activity. Is this normal for rsync running over a network? There is a no. Good, so there is presumably something I can fix. rsync daemon running on the laptop. Network interface on the laptop is xl(4), the desktop is rl(4). it may be problem with autoconfiguration of speed and half/full duplex. try setting it manually on one or both sides. Both were showing 100baseTX full-duplex on autoselect. Setting both manually with 'ifconfig [rl1|xl0] media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex' didn't improve things. it's unfortunately common :-( Would swapping the rl(4) card with a xl(4) card help? I've got one in my spare parts bin. I presume two xl(4) cards would have no trouble talking to eachother. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgp6IRkTuvugX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re[4]: can not start SVNserve
Здравствуйте, Polytropon. Вы писали 14 декабря 2008 г., 15:11:35: P On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar P woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: su: Sorry kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Starting svnserve. su: Sorry try to change directory to existent P (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. P (2) As you said: Check existing directory. P (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. home# uname -a FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 02:11:24 EEST 2008 k...@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 home# pw user show svn svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve does not work on kes# uname -a FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 17:19:12 EET 2008 k...@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 -- С уважением, KES mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re[4]: can not start SVNserve
P (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. wrong. wheel group is needed to su to root,not from root ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: send performance of rl(4)
it may be problem with autoconfiguration of speed and half/full duplex. try setting it manually on one or both sides. Both were showing 100baseTX full-duplex on autoselect. Setting both manually with 'ifconfig [rl1|xl0] media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex' didn't improve things. try half-duplex, then other cable, then other card. it's unfortunately common :-( Would swapping the rl(4) card with a xl(4) card help? I've got one in my it may. but one of the cards or the cable is bad. on short cables when one pin does not contact it MAY work, just like that :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
Your talking about things without providing any evidence as usual. It's just bollocks. NVidia has fabulous 3dgraphics cards and their drivers work very very well. At least they do on solaris (32/64bit). ...and Mac OSX and Linux and even Windows well is said too much at least compared to advertised performance of their GPU. but it works. anyway it's NTG, ask nvidia to write needed kernel module (as they say they need it) for FreeBSD, or make their hardware documentation fully open so other may write it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
SO - please just stop ALL NTG topics here. this group really lacks moderator. not someone that will remove posts he considers lame but all that is off topic. Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS. I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic. exactly... when is something part of FBSD and when not? all the ports aren't? so dhcpd is not part of FBSD either? where does that philosophy ends then? is sendmail part of FBSD...? maybe the whole userland isn't and FreeBSD is just a kernel? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX?
Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? thanks Tomas - Original Message From: Tomás Rodriguez admhards...@yahoo.ca To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:31:03 AM Subject: I need Install DB2 in Freebsd with a tool administration like webmin but for database DB2 Hi, everyone. I wanna install DB2 in my unix freebsd, but I never doing that, in fact I need a tool like GUI or like webmin, for the adminsitration of the DB2. who can help me with that. I'll appreciate any help, because I have been very hurry with that I'll developer a tools in DB2 butnever worked in this database management, I always work in mysql server. please any help? have a great day for everyone here. sincerely Tomas - Original Message From: Richard KHOO Guan Chen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 9:58:13 PM Subject: Re: portaudit -solved Thank you Sahil Tandon I have solved the problem. My ISP uses proxy for http (I think) as I have closed off port 80 and opened port 8080, and that has got me to the web with no problem. I have also been able to use ports installation with my ipf firewall setup, so I could not understand why portaudit command failed. I have now opened up port 80 and get the thing working. Your message got me thinking in this direction as you confiremed that the file is from http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports. Once again thanks and apologies for the late reply. On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Sahil Tandon wrote: Richard KHOO Guan Chen wrote: I have recently installed 6.4 release and tried to do a portausidt -F. No go reply was that auditfile.tbz unavailable. By default, portaudit fetches the database from www.FreeBSD.org/ports. What is the output of the following commands on your machine? % wget http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz % fetch -1amp http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz Have you created or modified /usr/local/etc/portaudit.conf? -- Sahil Tandon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS. I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic. exactly... when is something part of FBSD and when not? what is base system all the ports aren't? port system (script and Makefiles) are part of FreeBSD, but there is group dedicated to it: freebsd-ports port system allows to compile and install various unix tools on FreeBSD. but this tools are completely third party thing. so dhcpd is not part of FBSD either? yes. it's name even states it clearly: isc-dhcpd :) where does that philosophy ends then? is sendmail part of FBSD...? yes - it's included in FreeBSD base system. maybe the whole userland isn't and FreeBSD is just a kernel? no. it's not linux. what you can build through make buildworld is FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX?
Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? NTG. simply read webpages on FreeBSD, NetBSD and HPUX and compare. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Canonical way for DHCP-IP-/etc/hosts
Jeff Laine skrev: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:00:12PM +0100, Roger Olofsson wrote: Dear mailing list, I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives referrer errors for me. Pre-conditions. Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other dynamical IP from ISP. Question: What is the canonical way for catching the IP address from a DHCP assigned nic (from ISP that doesn't set hostname) and put the IP into /etc/hosts with a hostname? Reason for asking Firewall rules needs refreshing after new IP Possible answers: Create dhcp-exit-hooks (undocumented?) in /etc like so: #!/bin/sh if [ ! -z $new_ip_address ]; then IP=`ifconfig WAN | grep 'inet' | grep -v 'inet6' | cut -f 2 -d ' '` if [ ! -z $IP ]; then echo $IP wan.local.domain wan /etc/hosts refresh firewall rules here fi fi Hello. I think pf can handle with dhcp updates on interfaces pretty well. If only I get your question right. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: 2008-12-13 16:56 Hi Jeff and thank you for your reply, Yes, I know that pf will handle interfaces just fine, the question was not specific to pf though but more around dhclient, dhclient-script and the part of dhclient-script that calls the undocumented dhclient-exit-hooks. It might be handy to have the external IP assigned to a hostname - not only for pf. /R ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX?
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:50:09 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? NTG. Found a new hobby? Cyber Police? -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS sxce snv103 ++ + All that's really worth doing is what we do for others (Lewis Carrol) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Detecting network memory leaks using netstat -m
Hi All, I'm trying to find out whether my ethernet driver is leaking. I just found out about netstat -m, but I don't understand some of it's output. Can somebody explain me what is mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use ? My output shows it raised significantly during equilibrium after several stress runs: BEFORE 16641/217734/234375 mbufs in use (current/cache/total) 16640/217766/234406/262144 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 256/1664 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use (current/cache) AFTER 625083/86562/711645 mbufs in use (current/cache/total) 180264/81880/262144/262144 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 160420/311 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use (current/cache) Thanks Yony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Detecting network memory leaks using netstat -m
Hi All, I'm trying to find out whether my ethernet driver is leaking. I just found out about netstat -m, but I don't understand some of it's output. Can somebody explain me what is mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use ? My output shows it raised significantly during equilibrium after several stress runs: BEFORE 16641/217734/234375 mbufs in use (current/cache/total) 16640/217766/234406/262144 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 256/1664 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use (current/cache) AFTER 625083/86562/711645 mbufs in use (current/cache/total) 180264/81880/262144/262144 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 160420/311 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use (current/cache) Thanks Yony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX?
On Dec 14, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Tomás Rodriguez wrote: Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? Your question is too broad for a meaningful answer. You could ask it more specifically based on what you are trying to decide. It would be a massive response to answer it as stated. A quick and major difference (that may indicate my lack of knowledge on HP-UX). HP-UX is an OS for a specific set of hardware platforms. NetBSD and FreeBSD are neither tied to a platform or vendor. If you had an HP-9000, you would likely consider HP-UX first, if you have a generic motherboard with a typical Pentium or AMD, you would probably select one of the BSDs based on what you planned to implement and how well that BSD runs on your hardware. I could be wrong about the current state of HP-UX but this was it's intended implementation in the days I looked at it. thanks Tomas - Original Message From: Tomás Rodriguez admhards...@yahoo.ca To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:31:03 AM Subject: I need Install DB2 in Freebsd with a tool administration like webmin but for database DB2 Hi, everyone. I wanna install DB2 in my unix freebsd, but I never doing that, in fact I need a tool like GUI or like webmin, for the adminsitration of the DB2. who can help me with that. I'll appreciate any help, because I have been very hurry with that I'll developer a tools in DB2 butnever worked in this database management, I always work in mysql server. please any help? have a great day for everyone here. sincerely Tomas - Original Message From: Richard KHOO Guan Chen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 9:58:13 PM Subject: Re: portaudit -solved Thank you Sahil Tandon I have solved the problem. My ISP uses proxy for http (I think) as I have closed off port 80 and opened port 8080, and that has got me to the web with no problem. I have also been able to use ports installation with my ipf firewall setup, so I could not understand why portaudit command failed. I have now opened up port 80 and get the thing working. Your message got me thinking in this direction as you confiremed that the file is from http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports. Once again thanks and apologies for the late reply. On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Sahil Tandon wrote: Richard KHOO Guan Chen wrote: I have recently installed 6.4 release and tried to do a portausidt -F. No go reply was that auditfile.tbz unavailable. By default, portaudit fetches the database from www.FreeBSD.org/ ports. What is the output of the following commands on your machine? % wget http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz % fetch -1amp http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz Have you created or modified /usr/local/etc/portaudit.conf? -- Sahil Tandon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- unsubscr...@freebsd.org __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX?
On Sun 14 Dec 2008 at 07:43:38 PST Toms Rodriguez wrote: Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? Wikipedia has articles on all three of these. You might want to start there in order to get an overview and to get some familiarity with the similarities and the differences. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBSD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPUX Also see the Wikipedia article comparing the BSD's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-update killed my /var
On Sun 2008-12-14 19:28:16 UTC+0500, FuLLBLaSTstorm (fullblastst...@gmail.com) wrote: Recently I've run freebsd-update on my desktop machine, but it failed saying that it cannot save its files anymore to /var because the filesystem is full. If you are short on disk space then from what I can tell it seems to be harmless to erase everything under /var/db/freebsd-update before you run freebsd-update -r x.x-RELEASE upgrade. The catch is that you lose the ability to use the freebsd-update rollback command. After all, /var/db/freebsd-update/ presumably begins life as an empty folder after an initial install of FreeBSD. That is my experience, anyway. I may be wrong! I assume the way rollback works is that if you use freebsd-upgrade to upgrade from 6.2-REL to 6.3-REL, then again to 6.4-REL, the theory is that you can reverse the upgrades all the way back to 6.2-REL again. Whether you'd actually want to do that... I'm not sure. It seems to me that if you upgraded to 6.4-REL, then you'd probably only ever want to rollback as far back as 6.3-REL. I guess the ability to rollback multiple releases is provided mostly because it's possible, and disk space is cheap. I suppose you could always create a symlink: mv /var/db/freebsd-update /var/db/freebsd-update.old ln -s /disk/with/lots/of/space/freebsd-update /var/db/freebsd-update ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?
On Sat 2008-12-13 17:02:48 UTC-0500, Glen Barber (glen.j.bar...@gmail.com) wrote: i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] way lost in the reams of pages in my sendmail book? [2 da ago i send cold-call mail to a few experts; one at least read my paragraph. i'd like to know at least that my mail arr and hopefully was glanced at!] I believe you're looking for a receipt confirmation tool, but I don't believe mutt has that capability, as its job is to write mail, and direct it to the MTA. Either way, receipt confirmations are not always accurate, as I never send confirmations that I have received mail -- then I'd *need* to reply. Indeed. Also, these links may be useful... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_receipt#E-mail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_tracking ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Release schedules
On Sat 2008-12-13 19:05:35 UTC+, Matthew Seaman (m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk) wrote: Ports aren't actually frozen at the moment. Neither are they completely open for any sort of updates. Instead they're in a 'slush' -- no sweeping changes permitted, no major changes to the infrastructure (ie. bsd.ports.mk, that sort of thing). How does one determine the state (frozen/slush/unfrozen/other?) of the Ports tree? Is the state kept in the tree itself? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Cluster-wide installation of FreeBSD
Hi, I have a machine running FreeBSD 7.1, and now I would like to replicate it to other machines in our cluster. Other machines have smaller disks, and a different processor, but all are amd64. Is there a way to do this kind of installation (either by copying content, or installing and then copying /etc) in automated fashion? I can set up the netboot environment (since I'm using FAI to install linux on the same machines). Cheers, Nikola ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX?
On Sun 2008-12-14 16:50:09 UTC+0100, Wojciech Puchar (woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) wrote: Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? NTG. I had to look up what NTG stood for. Not This Group? Is freebsd-questions a group? NEHTBAA (Not Everything Has To Be An Acronym). :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
Julien Cigar(jci...@ulb.ac.be)@2008.12.11 16:23:04 +0100: except when i forgot to unmount - yep, the problem lies here, it's so natural to just unplug an USB device That's not an excuse for the kernel panic. The real problem is the kernel code rot. They can't fix the problem because the code has grown too complex and unwiedly. They need to reengineer/rewrite some kernel systems. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:54:19 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: in my practice rejecting part of customers (those who are really idiots) make sense. you get say 20% less money for 10 times less work. exactly! proper advocacy on a 'free' (or otherwise) system doesn't mean accommodating ridiculous demands. there needs to be a certain level of sincerity on part of the customers. only the right customers are always right. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Disk Errors
I am working on installing 6.4-RELEASE on a Motorola CPN5360 which is an industrial CompactPCI computer. The system boots via PXE. That much is good. The host has two storage devices. This is a 16MB boot flash device that is soldered to the board. ad0: FAILURE - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE status=51READY,DSC,ERROR error=4 ABORTED ad0: 15MB SunDisk SDTB-128 vcb 1.45 at ata0-master BIOSPIO This is a standard compact flash from Kingston. Many repetitive errors are snipped here. ad2: 1923MB CF CARD 2GB Ver2.19K at ata1-master UDMA33 ad2: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out LBA=3940269 ad2: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out LBA=3940209 ad2: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (0 retries left) LBA=0 ad2: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out LBA=0 ad2: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1 ad2: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (0 retries left) LBA=1 The flash drive is detected with 3940272 sectors. Is there a way to control the LBA= parameter? Does it matter if I try? How can I control the number of retries? I read that FreeBSD doesn't use the BIOS at least for CHS. Does FreeBSD use the BIOS for PIO and UDMA modes? Any thoughts on how to get these storage devices working? Thanks, Jason ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd
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cuongvt free...@vuhanhnhu.com wrote:
Hi,
I know that IM support japanese text.
On Freebsd 7.0 with latest imagemagick built from port (6.4.7) and
msgothic.ttc copied from windows partition,
imagick extension of PHP installed by pecl.
in terminal (zsh) I type:
convert origin.jpg -fill white -font
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/msgothic.ttc -pointsize 125 -stroke
blue -strokewidth 1 -draw text 20,130 'がくせい' straight.jpg
IM did not informed any error, but the result is japanese text broken
(question marks).
Hello,
It works for me with ImageMagick-6.4.5.5 and ImageMagick-6.4.7.5.
First, please make sure that the cause of the problem is not something
simple, i.e. make sure that
a) you don't have a wrong /non-UTF-8/ locale (not very likely since
you wouldn't get question marks);
b) you compiled ImageMagick with IMAGEMAGICK_TTF and
IMAGEMAGICK_FONTCONFIG.
If these are the case, then it's almost certain that fontconfig is
somehow confused with that Microsoft font. For example, see this
thread on XeTeX mailing list about Microsoft YaHei font:
http://www.tug.org/pipermail/xetex/2007-May/006539.html
If you use -text directive without -font specified, ImageMagick will
use the fonts from
/usr/local/lib/ImageMagick-6.4.7/config/type-ghostscript.xml
and this will produce question marks with Japanese UTF-8 string, which
seems to be the case. So, if you don't want to use some free
non-Microsoft font, you can try to do this:
1) Regenerate fontconfig cache ('fc-cache -f -v' as root).
2) Check if MS Gothic is visible to ImageMagick, i.e. try
%convert -list font
The output should contain
Font: ＭＳ-ゴシック-標準
family: ＭＳ ゴシック
style: Normal
stretch: Normal
weight: 400
glyphs: /path/to/msgothic.ttc
in ja_JP.UTF-8, or
Font: MS-Gothic-Regular
family: MS Gothic
in en_US.UTF-8 locale.
3) Then try
%convert orig.jpg -font ＭＳ-ゴシック-標準 -verbose -fill white \
-pointsize 125 -stroke blue -strokewidth 1 \
-draw text 20,130 'がくせい' straight.jpg
if you use ja_JP.* locale (-font MS-Gothic-Regular if you use
en_US.UTF-8 -- note that the command is locale-sensitive) and see
if this makes any difference.
Best regards.
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Re: Release schedules
andrew clarke wrote: On Sat 2008-12-13 19:05:35 UTC+, Matthew Seaman (m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk) wrote: Ports aren't actually frozen at the moment. Neither are they completely open for any sort of updates. Instead they're in a 'slush' -- no sweeping changes permitted, no major changes to the infrastructure (ie. bsd.ports.mk, that sort of thing). How does one determine the state (frozen/slush/unfrozen/other?) of the Ports tree? Is the state kept in the tree itself? No -- you follow the announcements from r...@... and port...@... on the appropriate mailing lists, and you consult the web page at http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:03:18 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: NTG please do ask on imagemagick support! Interestingly, he did (and, as it appears, before you replied): http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=1t=12713 There are some of us here who are interested in all things related to Unicode and complex scripts questions; we are interested to have such things working on FreeBSD. The OP's question was very interesting to me _as a FreeBSD user_. You are of course not obliged to reply at all. The fact that people often get better replies about application X running on FreeBSD on FreeBSD list than on a native list/forum reveals something good about FreeBSD community IMHO. Best regards. - -- Nikola Lečić = Никола Лечић fingerprint : FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iJwEAQEDAAYFAklFW9AACgkQ/MM/0rYIoZhMNQQAn9qEQwOEw3aNwTG7quq+KbnX z7tp0dDevcooHbEkWTLqf24D8OiFrjl1dyC7zuE9Wwe3fAGKjVWbYBtshTW0Yusk CbARjQCq85JKAz0LUmTJChJWCmbwy0M4SSNYJ20F/aX2lbFcEUGKL3pZudMWu+tj npo9qKOF+jvjS0P3Vr0= =0IHu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Quite Stumped here, need suggestions
Hi All: I am running: FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p5 #3: Sun Oct 5 15:31:05 EDT 2008 On a Sager 8800 Laptop. I have had FreeBSD installed for about a year, and all is working perfectly. I can bring up KDE, run many apps, all without a problem, except for ONE recent development. Every so often FreeBSD initiates a clean shutdown on it's own. Xwindows goes down cleanly, kernel modules are unloaded, processes are stopped, drives are cleanly dismounted, and the system is powered down. It's exactly what you would expect if you issued a shutdown -h now command. No core files are generated, and messages, even when the OS is brought up with verbose logging shows nothing. After trying many things, including running with a previous kernel, a GENERIC kernel, running in single-user mode, running minimalist, etc I decided to buildworld and buildkernel and essentially reinstall everything. While updating sources via cvsup, there was a shutdown. A subsequent attempt completed successfully. I then cleared out /usr/obj and did a make buildworld. After 39 minutes a shutdown. Repeated this, and a shutdown happened after 7 minutes. I repeated this in single user mode, with older kernels, with GENERIC kernel, same results, the system shuts down cleanly at some point. Never at the same point or doing the same task (Yes I used script as well; script simply exits as if make said all done! ). It's as if a ghost-root issued a shutdown -h command. One additional clue. If I bring the system up without acpi the shutdown is instant, and unclean. No scripts are run, drives are left dirty, but still no clue in the logs. I am now stumped! What could cause the system to shut down in this fashion? With acpi active, the init scripts are executed in shutdown mode. What could cause the kernel to believe it has received a command to shutdown like this? I am not new to this stuff, but I have never seen anything like this. I AM new to FreeBSD, I had been running Linux for years until recently, and absolutely love the order, consistency, layout, and clean architecture of this OS. But this is weird! Where to look? What to try? I am truly stumped here. Bob -- Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power. -- Benito Mussolini ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Quite Stumped here, need suggestions
On 12/14/08, Robert Richards richard.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All: I am running: FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p5 #3: Sun Oct 5 15:31:05 EDT 2008 On a Sager 8800 Laptop. I have had FreeBSD installed for about a year, and all is working perfectly. I can bring up KDE, run many apps, all without a problem, except for ONE recent development. Every so often FreeBSD initiates a clean shutdown on it's own. Xwindows goes down cleanly, kernel modules are unloaded, processes are stopped, drives are cleanly dismounted, and the system is powered down. It's exactly what you would expect if you issued a shutdown -h now command. No core files are generated, and messages, even when the OS is brought up with verbose logging shows nothing. After trying many things, including running with a previous kernel, a GENERIC kernel, running in single-user mode, running minimalist, etc I decided to buildworld and buildkernel and essentially reinstall everything. While updating sources via cvsup, there was a shutdown. A subsequent attempt completed successfully. I then cleared out /usr/obj and did a make buildworld. After 39 minutes a shutdown. Repeated this, and a shutdown happened after 7 minutes. I repeated this in single user mode, with older kernels, with GENERIC kernel, same results, the system shuts down cleanly at some point. Never at the same point or doing the same task (Yes I used script as well; script simply exits as if make said all done! ). It's as if a ghost-root issued a shutdown -h command. One additional clue. If I bring the system up without acpi the shutdown is instant, and unclean. No scripts are run, drives are left dirty, but still no clue in the logs. I am now stumped! What could cause the system to shut down in this fashion? With acpi active, the init scripts are executed in shutdown mode. What could cause the kernel to believe it has received a command to shutdown like this? I am not new to this stuff, but I have never seen anything like this. I AM new to FreeBSD, I had been running Linux for years until recently, and absolutely love the order, consistency, layout, and clean architecture of this OS. But this is weird! Where to look? What to try? I am truly stumped here. Maybe it is overheat problem, look at temperature sensors. But something should be displayed in dmesg and last output. Read /var/log/dmesg.old -- Paul ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Quite Stumped here, need suggestions
Robert Richards skrev: Hi All: I am running: FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p5 #3: Sun Oct 5 15:31:05 EDT 2008 On a Sager 8800 Laptop. I have had FreeBSD installed for about a year, and all is working perfectly. I can bring up KDE, run many apps, all without a problem, except for ONE recent development. Every so often FreeBSD initiates a clean shutdown on it's own. Xwindows goes down cleanly, kernel modules are unloaded, processes are stopped, drives are cleanly dismounted, and the system is powered down. It's exactly what you would expect if you issued a shutdown -h now command. No core files are generated, and messages, even when the OS is brought up with verbose logging shows nothing. After trying many things, including running with a previous kernel, a GENERIC kernel, running in single-user mode, running minimalist, etc I decided to buildworld and buildkernel and essentially reinstall everything. While updating sources via cvsup, there was a shutdown. A subsequent attempt completed successfully. I then cleared out /usr/obj and did a make buildworld. After 39 minutes a shutdown. Repeated this, and a shutdown happened after 7 minutes. I repeated this in single user mode, with older kernels, with GENERIC kernel, same results, the system shuts down cleanly at some point. Never at the same point or doing the same task (Yes I used script as well; script simply exits as if make said all done! ). It's as if a ghost-root issued a shutdown -h command. One additional clue. If I bring the system up without acpi the shutdown is instant, and unclean. No scripts are run, drives are left dirty, but still no clue in the logs. I am now stumped! What could cause the system to shut down in this fashion? With acpi active, the init scripts are executed in shutdown mode. What could cause the kernel to believe it has received a command to shutdown like this? I am not new to this stuff, but I have never seen anything like this. I AM new to FreeBSD, I had been running Linux for years until recently, and absolutely love the order, consistency, layout, and clean architecture of this OS. But this is weird! Where to look? What to try? I am truly stumped here. Bob No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1848 - Release Date: 2008-12-14 12:28 Hi Bob, Do the shutdowns appear after using the lap for some time? If that is the case then I'd guess it's a heat problem or a disk failing. Have you booted to single user and done fsck? /R ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GPL version 4
valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Morton Harrow said: I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF has been fighting for. Instead they are forced to play by the strict set of terms the GPLv3 provides. You missed an important philosophical point. In Richard Stallman's world view, it isn't the user's freedoms that matter, it's the *software*s freedom. I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be freely available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom. regards Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Re[2]: can not start SVNserve
So, just to clarify... On one machine: $ su svn Will change you to the svn user while on another machine: $ su svn Will output: su: Sorry The problem would be the configuration of the two machines and not a Subversion issue. You may want to try the BSD list about why you have these two different behaviors on your machines. I would also look at the manpage of the su command to see if there is something that could be affecting the behavior of the su command. Take a look at the su command in the startup script. It probably looks something like: su svn -c $path_to_svnserve/svnserve -r $SVN_REPOS -d See if you can execute this command on the command line. Also try putting set +xv and set -xv around the command inside the shell script. This puts the shell into verbose and debug mode, so it will echo all the commands it is executing before executing them. Sometimes this helps clarify where a problem might be. For example, your svnserve command might not be in the $PATH to be executed. Or, maybe an environment variable isn't being defined correctly. An alternative, try the sudo command if it is available on your machine: $ sudo -u svn $path_to_svnserve_dir/svnserve -r $SVN_ROOT -d Depending how your sudo command is setup (see /etc/sudo about configuration), it might ask you for a password, or maybe setup not to allow you to run the command. The default is to allow the root user to run all commands without a password. I've found sudo to work a bit better than su in many situations. On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 6:22 AM, KES kes-...@yandex.ru wrote: Здравствуйте, David. I have home# uname -a FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 02:11:24 EEST 2008 k...@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 on this machine sveserve startsup normally My confusion comes from the output of PW home# pw user show svn svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin pw is utility to edit /etc/master.passwd home# cat /etc/master.passwd | grep svn svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin showing me that user svn is a valid user 'svn' user is valid user Have you tried changing the svn user shell to /bin/bash telling this: :/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin I point that anyone can not use this user to login to system. But because of 'svn' is valid system user process can low his right to 'svn' user On this HOME machine when I try run svnserve it is runned despite on 'su svn' can not login me: home# su svn This account is currently not available. home# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Starting svnserve. home# ps ax|grep svn 34209 ?? Ss 0:00,00 /usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 -r /usr 34211 p0 S+ 0:00,00 grep svn But on other machine with same user I can not start svnserver kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Starting svnserve. su: Sorry kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Starting svnserve. su: Sorry DW Have you tried changing the svn user shell to /bin/bash and see if DW your startup script is working. the differences between this machines only are next: home# svnserve --version svnserve, version 1.5.1 (r32289) compiled Aug 3 2008, 00:10:41 home# uname -a FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 02:11:24 EEST 2008 k...@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 and kes# svnserve --version svnserve, version 1.5.2 (r32768) compiled Oct 8 2008, 21:55:55 kes# uname -a FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 17:19:12 EET 2008 k...@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 DW It would be helpful if you explained your system, setup, what you were DW doing, and the results instead of simply showing us the output of a DW couple of commands. It is hard to figure out exactly what you are DW trying to do and what you have done. I try to run 'svnserve'. I just install svnserver and add user svn to run svnserve under. I do same things on 'kes' as on 'home' machine. Вы писали 14 декабря 2008 г., 7:22:39: DW I'm a bit confused by what you're asking. I believe PW is a command DW for editing groups and users on BSD, but I've never really used it. DW My confusion comes from the output of PW. A typical user line has DW seven fields, your output shows 11 fields. I am assuming that you're DW showing me that user svn is a valid user. However, the shell is DW setup to be /usr/sbin/nologin (which I assume is similar to setting DW the shell to /etc/false). DW Doing a su svn won't log you in becuase of the shell. I don't have DW the /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve script in front of me, so I can't DW tell you what it is doing, but I suspect that since the su svn
Re: Quite Stumped here, need suggestions
Where to look? What to try? I am truly stumped here. at logs. it look like SOMETHING (or someone ;) initiates such shutdown. i don't remember case where FreeBSD would shutdown itself the way you said - cleanly, closing all programs etc - in case of panic/kernel error. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX?
Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? NTG. Found a new hobby? Cyber Police? even more NTG ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Disk Errors
ad2: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out LBA=0 ad2: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1 ad2: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (0 retries left) LBA=1 The flash drive is detected with 3940272 sectors. Is there a way to control the LBA= parameter? Does it matter if I try? no. How can I control the number of retries? I read that FreeBSD doesn't use the BIOS at least for CHS. Does FreeBSD use the BIOS for PIO and UDMA modes? no. try disabling dma with set hw.ata.ata_dma=0 bootloader command ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd
There are some of us here who are interested in all things related to Unicode and complex scripts questions; we are interested to have such things working on FreeBSD. The OP's question was very interesting to me _as a FreeBSD user_. You are of course not obliged to reply at all. The fact that people often get better replies about application X running on FreeBSD on FreeBSD list than on a native list/forum reveals something good about FreeBSD community IMHO. or very bad app X support. anyway - it's NTG! it's really HARD today to browse that list and see anything about FreeBSD. if it has to be every app on the world support - why it's not called everything-quest...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cluster-wide installation of FreeBSD
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:12:21 +0100, Nikola Knežević laladelausa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a machine running FreeBSD 7.1, and now I would like to replicate it to other machines in our cluster. Other machines have smaller disks, and a different processor, but all are amd64. Is there a way to do this kind of installation (either by copying content, or installing and then copying /etc) in automated fashion? I can set up the netboot environment (since I'm using FAI to install linux on the same machines). Maybe some variation of the method for duplicating partitions' contents mentioned in the handbook can help here: You would need a script to create standard loader, slice and partitions according to your needs (to be calculated from the actual disk capacities) and then dump / restore from the master system. I'm sure others will encourage you to follow a more professional approach. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd
On Sun 14 Dec 2008 at 11:17:27 PST Nikola Le??i?? wrote: There are some of us here who are interested in all things related to Unicode and complex scripts questions; we are interested to have such things working on FreeBSD. The OP's question was very interesting to me _as a FreeBSD user_. You are of course not obliged to reply at all. The fact that people often get better replies about application X running on FreeBSD on FreeBSD list than on a native list/forum reveals something good about FreeBSD community IMHO. By posting here, the OP is more likely to get an answer from other users who are using app X on FreeBSD. Asking in the App X forum is likely to get an unhelpful answer from *their* local curmudgeons: No one here uses FreeBSD, and it's not a priority for the App X developers. Go away. My point being, getting App X working on FreeBSD is often a higher priority for us than it is for them, and someone here might have already gone to the trouble of figuring it out. I see nothing wrong in asking whether that's the case. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: send performance of rl(4)
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 04:34:17PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: it may be problem with autoconfiguration of speed and half/full duplex. try setting it manually on one or both sides. Both were showing 100baseTX full-duplex on autoselect. Setting both manually with 'ifconfig [rl1|xl0] media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex' didn't improve things. try half-duplex, then other cable, then other card. --- --- -- :-( :-( :-) Swapping the rl(4) card for a xl(4) card did the trick. I can now saturate the line in both directions. I think I'm going to scrap the other rl(4) card in my machine as well and replace it with an fxp(4) card. Thanks Wojciech! Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpXIFAdESzkR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: send performance of rl(4)
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:25:01 +0100, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Swapping the rl(4) card for a xl(4) card did the trick. I can now saturate the line in both directions. I think I'm going to scrap the other rl(4) card in my machine as well and replace it with an fxp(4) card. Yeah... something I did some years ago - and I'm still happy with it. I found that - quite in general - the xl and fxp NICs do have better performance than the rl ones. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: send performance of rl(4)
:-( :-( :-) Swapping the rl(4) card for a xl(4) card did the trick. I can now saturate the line in both directions. I think I'm going to scrap the other rl(4) card in my machine as well and replace it with an fxp(4) card. no. realtek cards are not bad by design. this particular was broken ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:18:47 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: There are some of us here who are interested in all things related to Unicode and complex scripts questions; we are interested to have such things working on FreeBSD. The OP's question was very interesting to me _as a FreeBSD user_. You are of course not obliged to reply at all. The fact that people often get better replies about application X running on FreeBSD on FreeBSD list than on a native list/forum reveals something good about FreeBSD community IMHO. or very bad app X support. anyway - it's NTG! it's really HARD today to browse that list and see anything about FreeBSD. if it has to be every app on the world support - why it's not called everything-quest...@freebsd.org It *is* called what you don't want to believe its name is. The name is `freebsd-questions' not `freebsd-questions-about-the-base-system-only'. Wojciech, I am aware that this is probably going to be hardly enough to convince you, but you are _harming_ the Project by posting this sort of thing to the list of `_general_ questions about FreeBSD'. Please, STOP doing that. We may have to block you from posting to the lists if this keeps going and increasing in intensity. pgpSoyOuuQeh2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: send performance of rl(4)
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:42:31 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: realtek cards are not bad by design. this particular was broken I always found Realtek cards okay because they would work everywhere, nearly every OS supported them. But especially the RTL8139, if I remember correctly, was so busy generating IRQs that it didn't find the time to have a good performance. :-) Maybe Realteks newer models perform better. I'm quite happy with 3Com's and Intel's NICs, I usually give away Realtek NICs along with computer systems I built for others. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this answer after looking .. freebsd - the power to serve Might one reasonably surmise that the power to serve implies doing a good job of running server software? Like mail servers, FTP servers, web servers, file servers, database servers, ssh servers, even - gasp - X11 servers? sure. but X11's motto is not X11 - the power of freebsd amd64 with nvidia card ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Re[4]: can not start SVNserve
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:32:42 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: P (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. wrong. wheel group is needed to su to root,not from root Right. Wow... I'm so stupid... must already be epidemic dementia. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: send performance of rl(4)
I always found Realtek cards okay because they would work everywhere, nearly every OS supported them. But especially the RTL8139, if I remember correctly, was so busy generating IRQs that it didn't find the time to have a good performance. :-) but it works very well. in places when there is no high traffic constantly i happily use them. Maybe Realteks newer models perform better. at least my gigabit realtek integrated with motherboard was buggy, disabling hardware checksumming fixed it PARTIALLY. but still it do locks up every month or so of heavy traffic. I'm quite happy with 3Com's and Intel's NICs, I usually give away Realtek NICs along with computer systems I built for others. esp. with windows there is not much difference. other os overhead is larger than interrupt overhead. anyway - it's primitive hardware, but WORKING :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd
The name is `freebsd-questions' not `freebsd-questions-about-the-base-system-only'. Wojciech, I am aware that this is probably going to be hardly enough to convince you, but you are _harming_ the Project by posting this sort of it's only Your opinion. My opinion is different. This list gets totally polluted by OT traffic that DO HARM the Project, because it's more and more difficult to get help, and give help to people that posts ON-TOPIC. It's complete mess! So i WILL respond NTG or OT to questions that are NTG/OT. EOT from me about this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: The name is `freebsd-questions' not `freebsd-questions-about-the-base-system-only'. Wojciech, I am aware that this is probably going to be hardly enough to convince you, but you are _harming_ the Project by posting this sort of it's only Your opinion. My opinion is different. This list gets totally polluted by OT traffic that DO HARM the Project, because it's more and more difficult to get help, and give help to people that posts ON-TOPIC. It's complete mess! So i WILL respond NTG or OT to questions that are NTG/OT. I really wish I had your free time. I am happy, however, that you were promoted to questions@ police. EOT from me about this. How about making it EOT from you about everything that is not contributional? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd
Glen Barber-2 wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: The name is `freebsd-questions' not `freebsd-questions-about-the-base-system-only'. Wojciech, I am aware that this is probably going to be hardly enough to convince you, but you are _harming_ the Project by posting this sort of it's only Your opinion. My opinion is different. This list gets totally polluted by OT traffic that DO HARM the Project, because it's more and more difficult to get help, and give help to people that posts ON-TOPIC. It's complete mess! So i WILL respond NTG or OT to questions that are NTG/OT. I really wish I had your free time. I am happy, however, that you were promoted to questions@ police. EOT from me about this. How about making it EOT from you about everything that is not contributional? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Hi all Firstly I'm terribly sorry for wrongly posted question not related to freebsd. I will pay attention so that this wrong posting will not occurr again. This is my fault. But I admit that freebsd-questions mailing list is really really very active mailing list which is have not only guru in OS itself but many many professionials of apps/servers running on top of it. (In fact I also posted this to imagemagick-nabble and imagemagick forum also, the result is I always get most useful/friendly/step-by-step answers from freebsd-questions that I can not reveive from the others). Once again, sorry you. Best regards, PS: But one thing I still could not understand is that in the past, the others and I posted many many questions about Gnome, KDE, xfce, fluxbox, php, java, squid, clamav, tripwire, anything but no any complaints, right? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/imagemagick-convert%3A-japanese-text-broken-in-freebsd-tp20997257p21007145.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GPL version 4
Marco Peereboom wrote: All this GPL blah blah is a huge waste of time. It comes down to this; nearly everyone on this list thinks that the GPL is criminally stupid so stop trying to convince people here that it does not suck dog ass. Lets not have this retarded debate again, *we* know *you* are wrong, end of story. LOL - sorry Marco, I was replying for the benefit of folks on the Ubuntu list ... I didn't notice the huge collection of *other* lists in the cc (I'm guessing you are *not* on the Ubuntu list). Of course, you are free to dislike the GPL in all its forms... regards Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:51 PM, vuthecuong vuthecu...@luvina.net wrote: Hi all Firstly I'm terribly sorry for wrongly posted question not related to freebsd. I will pay attention so that this wrong posting will not occurr again. This is my fault. No, it is not. Questions@ is a general list for general FreeBSD questions. Getting something FreeBSD related to work, regardless of base-vs-ports, is FreeBSD related. -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:51 PM, vuthecuong vuthecu...@luvina.net wrote: Hi all Firstly I'm terribly sorry for wrongly posted question not related to freebsd. I will pay attention so that this wrong posting will not occurr again. This is my fault. No, it is not. Questions@ is a general list for general FreeBSD questions. Getting something FreeBSD related to work, regardless of base-vs-ports, is FreeBSD related. -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org a Glen stated anything dealing with FreeBSD base-vs-ports is FreeBSD related. Many of us I know are starting to get tired of the police. And it seems like he won't be bothering us with posts for a while since he told a FreeBSDd person off on this thread. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
control character file names
Hi there, there is a blank directory that I cant seem to view. I believe the directory is a '^M'. can somebody please explain how I can see filenames and directories containing control characters. Also how do I rename the directory with 'mv'? Cheers, Noah ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:39:26AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: Hence why I tend to send really green unix newbies to linux school than grind their teeth on FreeBSD straight up. Let em get their skills and experience in how *nix in general works on something a little easier (for MIB lovers: noisy cricket), then move up to the big guns. Why not send them to something like DesktopBSD or PC-BSD, or even FreeSBIE (if that project is still around)? If they go to some chintzy user-obsequious Linux distribution like PCLinuxOS first, they'll just have more stuff to unlearn *if* it ever occurs to them to give some BSD Unix variant a try -- and if they haven't been poisoned against BSD Unix systems by GNU/FSF propaganda in the meantime. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Edward Murphy, Jr. (Murphy's Law): If there's more than one way to do a job and one of those ways will end in disaster, then someone will do it that way. pgp5tBk9XsuQ7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:51:23 -0800 (PST), vuthecuong vuthecu...@luvina.net wrote: Hi all Firstly I'm terribly sorry for wrongly posted question not related to freebsd. I will pay attention so that this wrong posting will not occurr again. This is my fault. But I admit that freebsd-questions mailing list is really really very active mailing list which is have not only guru in OS itself but many many professionials of apps/servers running on top of it. (In fact I also posted this to imagemagick-nabble and imagemagick forum also, the result is I always get most useful/friendly/step-by-step answers from freebsd-questions that I can not reveive from the others). Some of us disagree with the 'off topic police'. If you have questions about programs that _run_ on FreeBSD, please keep asking here. Nothing has changed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GPL version 4
moving m...@openbsd.org to Bcc Please do not post discussions of GPL politics to OpenBSD mailing lists. You know we have different views, so cross-posting is pure trolling. -d On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Mark Kirkwood wrote: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Morton Harrow said: I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF has been fighting for. Instead they are forced to play by the strict set of terms the GPLv3 provides. You missed an important philosophical point. In Richard Stallman's world view, it isn't the user's freedoms that matter, it's the *software*s freedom. I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be freely available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom. regards Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
