Re:Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:23:03 +0100 From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de Subject: Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS? To: Brian Callahan kors...@gmail.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 20110220042303.0f730c6b.free...@edvax.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:32:59 -0500, Brian Callahan kors...@gmail.com wrote: and By using the Software, you accept these terms. If you do not accept them, do not use the software. Instead, contact the manufacturer or installer to determine its return policy. You must comply with that policy, which might limit your rights or require you to return the entire system on which the software is installed. The major OEMs will say OK, then you must return the computer, and you have no option but to comply. This is true for the USA. Erm... and this is NOT a joke? Don't get me wrong, I had a good laugh about this... agreement... but nothing is too absurd to be true. In this specific context, does booting a FreeBSD and removing the Windows from the disk is equivalent to using the soft- ware? If I understand it correctly, using relates to the software, not the hardware. Unfortunately, it is *not* a joke unless it is some kind of elaborite prank. I don't know why people let computer (and peripheral) vendors get away with it. I briefly describe the inserts and stickers included with a computing console my sister bought here: http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=55819start=120#p2001085 quote Anyway, as you may know, the End-user does not agree to the Microsoft version of the EULA directly. Rather, each manufacturer uses their own modified EULA that in turn, references the Microsoft EULA. The important thing is that they have changed the language from by clicking agree... to by using the (computer)... you agree to the license. /quote There is also a seal on the bag holding the computer to that effect. Just yesterday, made a post complaining about how you can't just buy a General Purpose computer anymore: http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?p=2227317#post2227317 In it I mention how I tried to buy a GNU/Liunx and BSD compatible printer, only to be confronted with: quote Please read before opening. Opening this package or using the patented cartridge included with this product confirms your acceptance of the following license agreement. The patented Return Program cartridge sold with this product is provided subject to the restriction that it be used only once. Following this initial use, you agree to return the empty cartridge only to Lexmark for remanufacturing and recycling. Lexmark provides a prepaid return label in every replacement cartridge package. If you don't accept these terms, return this unopened package to your point of purchase./quote Patent law is stronger than copyright law. Lexmark may be able to argue you are manufacturing printed documents and are subject to the Patent license. INAL either. After deciding I could not really buy a computer locally, I ordered my latest machine from Freedom Included, Inc from in the US. http://freedomincluded.com/product/lemote-yeeloong/ It is a MIPS-based subnotebook shipping with gNewSense (Linux distro). I don't think it is what the OP was looking for since it won't even run Windows without qemu (3hour+ compile for all targets). It is also a relatively small machine (netbook size). I am also not sure if the wireless would be supported in freeBSD. freedomincluded@freedomincluded:~$ lsusb Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 003: ID 0bda:8189 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187B Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Adapter Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0bda:0158 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. USB 2.0 multicard reader Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub (Camera not listed) Regards, James Phillips ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
GNU/Linux NIS tweaks was: FreeBSD Decision
--- On Sat, 1/15/11, FRLinux frli...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I'd be curious to hear about any particular tweaking you
need applying
on NFS FreeBSD servers. I have used them for the past 8
years starting
with 4.x at the time and now with a mix of 6.x 7x and 8.x
and had not
to tweak anything.
SNIP!
Cheers,
Steph
It may have to do with what you are doing. At the NFS protocol level, they are
compatible as far as I can tell. However, in my testing (trying to set up a
file server in a heterogeneous environment) I had problems configuring NIS
without editing Makefiles.
GNU/Linux uses 'shadow' to store password and FreeBSD used master.passwd. The
number of fields between the two differ as well.
From my notes, the options are:
1. Modify makefile to generate a shadow file to keep Linux happy
2. use UNSECURE=true option in /var/yp/Makefile and disable shadow passwords
in Linux. I decided to go with the second option because NFS uses host-based
authentication: somebody with root access to a client machine can get both
files anyway.
Because NFS passes ownership and group information by number, I decided I
needed I need to use NIS to set send user and group information to keep the
network sane. For example, james may be user 1001 on one machine and user
1002 on another. The problem is that the FreeBSD special groups are not
compatible with the GNU/Linux special groups (less than 1000).
I resolved this (after an hint from IRC) by editing /var/yp/Makefile to only
send user groups in a certain window to the client machines.
From my notes:
-both group.byname and group.bygid have the same filter to decide which groups
to include:[
@$(AWK) -F: '{ if ($$1 !=
$$1 !~^#.* $$1 !=+) \
]
Decodes as:
Use 'awk' with a field separator of ':'
Include a line if:
-it is not blank
-if it is not a commented line, denoted by '#'
-if it is not a line importing groups from NIS, denoted by '+' in the first
field.
filter can be modified to include only gid's within a certain range: [
@$(AWK) -F: '{ if ($$1 !=
$$1 !~^#.* $$1 !=+
$$3 = 1001 $$3 =2000) \
]
/notes
Regards,
James Phillips
I actually was able to log in from a test installation of Debian using that
hack (files appeared on server as expected). It took some trial and error
though.
PS: perhaps my difficulty is I don't really want to do programming until the
fileserver is up, but BSD administrators are expected to do basic scripting.
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Re: FreeBSD Decision
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:46:20 +0100 From: Alessandro Baggi alessandro.ba...@gmail.com Subject: FreeBSD Decision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 4d3099fc.10...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi list, I don't want make a flame post but I would ask an objective opinion, then not a camp opinion, about using FreeBSD or Debian Linux in a production environment for solution as such as cluster of some Mail Server (qmail), raid software, security support and hardware support. I prefer Debian and lurk on the list because I want to use FreeBSD for my fileserver (which has been a multi-year project, still not in production). I originally chose BSD for security, but have decided to stick with it to benefit from learning a slightly different way of doing things. The main flame-worthy difference between the two is licensing: Linux uses the GPL, FreeBSD uses a simplified BSD license. You can probably find flame-wars about it on the Internet yourself :) The culture between the two groups is also a little different. Debian actually has an IRC channel where users are encouraged to ask questions (#debian on irc.freenode.net). Here, they prefer you use this mailing list. The difference may be that Debian has a larger community that can support an IRC channel. The way packages get installed is different as well. Under Debian you are asked a series a questions (with user-settable verbosity), and many services are set up as automatically as is possible given your answers. Under BSD, services are installed disabled by default. This is annoying, but good for security. In theory you shouldn't be able to get it working unless you know what you are doing. One thing to keep in mind is that BSD speaks a different POSIX dialect than most Linux distros (though that is likely true between Linux distros as well). This means things like NFS/NIS won't work without tweaking. One thing I also ran into is that md5sum (Debian) ~= md5 (BSD). I suppose you are supposed to use SHA2 these days anyway :P Regards, James Phillips ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: office apps
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:44:17 -0600 From: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com Subject: Re: office apps To: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 20100609004417.gc37...@guilt.hydra Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't really like Oo.org either. It is a little better than MS-Office, be seems to follow the same general design philosophy. I wish I'd find a foolproof, simple, transparent way for me to see and edit well-formatted plain text no matter what nonsense bloated featuritis infected office suite anyone else wanted to use. Well, I heard RTF is useful for interoperability between MS word versions, but I am not sure how well interoperability between different vendors works in practice. The Wikipedia page says RTF is a proprietary standard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format You may also want to use an SGML variant like HTML or XML, but those can be tedious to manually edit. For quick messages, Plain ASCII text is much better unless you need a different character set. In that case, Unicode text will probably work. Regards, James Phillips -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Media streaming
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 00:14:09 +0100 From: Graeme Dargie a...@tangerine-army.co.uk Subject: RE: Media streaming To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 01fb8f39bad0bd49a6d0da8f7897392904f...@mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In your first message you said that The Sony TV was DTLA compliant. Because you specifically mentioned it, I assumed you knew what that meant. Your streaming server *will not* be DTLA compliant unless you are running Windows media center edition or something. I did not want to bring it up, because there was no evidence that your problem was DRM related. SNIP! Okies well so far I have tried mediatomb, the TV sees the server but gives the same message as with ushare this server does not support be useful if it said what it didn't support but there we go. I will look at The server does not support Digital Transmission Content Protection: http://www.dtcp.com/ Overview presentation: http://www.dtcp.com/documents/dtcp/DTCP_Overview.pdf In essence, you are supposed to encrypt the video stream lest you copy it. I am a little surprised the TV would refuse to work with an unencrypted stream, which is why I did not respond to your first post. Regards, James Phillips ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Media streaming
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:40:14 +0100 From: Graeme Dargie a...@tangerine-army.co.uk Subject: RE: Media streaming To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 01fb8f39bad0bd49a6d0da8f7897392904f...@mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 -Original Message- From: James Phillips [mailto:anti_spam...@yahoo.ca] Sent: 28 May 2010 18:23 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Media streaming Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 00:14:09 +0100 From: Graeme Dargie a...@tangerine-army.co.uk Subject: RE: Media streaming To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 01fb8f39bad0bd49a6d0da8f7897392904f...@mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry, DRM is an alphabet soup of Standards and industry consortia. I was unaware of DLNA and read it as: DTLA. However, if you look at the Overview and Vision White Paper, you will see that DTCP/IP (administered by DTLA) is required for the link layer of DLNA: http://www.dlna.org/about_us/roadmap/DLNA_Whitepaper.pdf - page 4, Table 1 The Wikipedia page lists some software that may or may not work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Living_Network_Alliance SNIP! The server does not support Digital Transmission Content Protection: http://www.dtcp.com/ Overview presentation: http://www.dtcp.com/documents/dtcp/DTCP_Overview.pdf In essence, you are supposed to encrypt the video stream lest you copy it. I am a little surprised the TV would refuse to work with an unencrypted stream, which is why I did not respond to your first post. Regards, James Phillips Hi James I said the TV was DLNA compliant, those links at the brief look I had appears to be the sort of encryption you would see on a HD signal via HDMI that would prevent you say recording HD content to your PVR device and then playing it back to a blu-ray recorder and recording it to disc. I had I get the impression that DTCP is an umbrella DRM standard that that allows the other DRM standards to inter-operate. DTCP is administered by the Digital Transmission Licensing Administrator: a consortium of five companies including Hitachi, Intel, Panasonic, Sony, and Toshiba. HDMI uses another scheme called High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) for encrypting the video. http://www.digital-cp.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection DTCP will likely intervene in the step where you move the video from the PVR to the Blu-ray recorder. When it comes time to record the information on the disk, a third scheme comes into play: Advanced Access Content System (AACS) http://www.aacsla.com/home http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Access_Content_System The Wikipedia page appears to be more readable. done a fair bit of googling on this before posting to the list, it seems Sonys' implementation of DLNA is a bit loose shall we say, I have seen a lot of people having issues with DLNA complaint NAS devices not working with Sony TV`s. As I have stated in a previous post it does work with wmp12, but it is not elegant or the solution I want for the reasons I stated earlier. I would expect wmp12 to work because Windows Vista and 7 implement DTCP, and Microsoft is listed as one of the sponsors of DLNA. Regards, James Phillips PS: my brain hurts reading that too :( Regards Graeme ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
dump/restore (to DVD+R) test failure
Hello, It took reading the source code of a backup front-end to figure out that incremental backups are not the same thing as multiple incremental backups on the same medium; spilling over to the next disk if necessary. As the handbook (section 18.12.1) says, dump has quirks due to its design dating back to 1975. Optical write-once media was punch tape or cards. Seeking to the middle of the media was time consuming, so daily tapes were simply written from the beginning, then rewound. So, knowing this, I decided to test a full dump and restore to DVD+R media, following the example in the dump(8) man page. I suspect that the example was written with DVD-R in mind, but according to wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-R#Recordable_DVD_capacity_comparison the smaller DVD+R media can handle the example in dump(8) with 184 2048 byte blocks to spare (implying the example intended 3576 spare sectors). The package for the DVD media just says 4.7 GB with only 2 significant digits. I used the following command for the dump: $/sbin/dump -0u -L -C16 -B4589840 -P 'growisofs -Z -dvd-compat /dev/cd0=/dev/fd/0' /home Growisofs said 4700372992 bytes were written on the first disk (my notes don't record exactly which disk that was). That works out to 4590208kiB or 2295104 sectors. Edit: This matches the Wikipedia number; I assumed it to included zero padding I tried the restore on a fresh freeBSD 8.0 install with no user accounts created (and atapicam not yet enabled): dusty# cd /home #restore -r -P 'dd if=/dev/acd0 of=/dev/fd/1 bs=2048 count=2294920' warning: ./.snap: File exists expected next file 706561, got 4 unknown tape header type -365754194 abort? [yn] n resync restore, skipped 162 blocks expected next file 847904, got 0 acd0: FAILURE - READ_BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x10 ascq=0x00 dd: /dev/acd0: Input/output error 2294208+0 records in 2294208+0 records out 4698537984 bytes transferred in 2781.175375 secs (1689407 bytes/sec) Mount tape volume 2 Enter ``none'' if there are no more tapes otherwise enter tape name (default: dd if=/dev/acd0 of=/dev/fd/1 bs=2048 count=2294920) unknown tape header type -54549208 abort? [yn] n resync restore, skipped 464 blocks expected next file 5040133, got 0 1201264+0 records in 1201264+0 records out 2460188672 bytes transferred in 1330.121340 secs (1849597 bytes/sec) dusty# The unknown header type errors appear to be unrelated to the major read error reported at the end to the first disk. I suspect those may be corruption caused by a buffer underrun or local vibration. Questions: 1. How do I determine which files (if any) are affected? is verbose mode required for that? 2. It appears the first disk lost 712 sectors of data (and a total of 896 sectors of capacity) with that read error. Should I just burn the disks 1024-4096 sectors short? 3. What is the best way to verify dumps at dump time? I still have the data on another disk. I can restore it with dd if need be. I verified the newfs command appears to create a .snap directory by default now. Regards, James Phillips ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [#24512320] Re: Apache22 Upgrade Failure
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 06:43:59 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: [#24512320] Re: Apache22 Upgrade Failure To: Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com Cc: questi...@freebsd.org Message-ID: 4bf76f1f.8040...@infracaninophile.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 SNIP! (Sig now invalid anyway) On 22/05/2010 24:01:52, Odhiambo Washington wrote: Is someone saying that FreeBSD lists are not hosted on Mailman? Or is the list admin on holiday on the space station? Mailman supports regexes for blocking, IIRC. Check the message headers: the bogus replies to you come direct from mpcustomer.com and don't go anywhere FreeBSD mailman. Blacklisting supp...@mpcustomer.com would be an effective fix, if you have that much control over your mail system. Cheers, Matthew While you don't say anything explicitly incorrect, I think it is trickier than that: the From: address is listed as freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; is is the Reply-To: address that is supp...@mpcustomer.com. I was also reluctant to report the message as spam since the bulk of it was my own message! I don't want replies to my messages being hit by the spam filter. IMO, the message body is being used as unique filler text to get past Bayesian filters. I don't claim to know if the effect is intentional or accidental. -James Phillips ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Is the freeBSD mailing list using an automated ticket system?
Sorry about the blank post (hit enter by mistake): I feel I may have received a phishing e-mail. This may explain why somebody pasted their root password on the mailing list over the last few days: [#24508771] Re: 7.0/i386 to 8.0/amd64 - gmirror/gstripe migration Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:11 PM From freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 20 05:11:32 2010 X-Apparently-To:anti_spam...@yahoo.ca via 76.13.9.57; Wed, 19 May 2010 22:11:32 -0700 Return-Path:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received-SPF: softfail (mta1044.mail.sk1.yahoo.com: domain of transitioning freebsd-questions@freebsd.org does not designate 208.43.146.75 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: bN4BmMIcZAoekRfwnHPcFUPXQy4vPFD_clpLPEdD8_d4TtskiryPLE2xsmlo_rObEVSxKsUGQx5NT2Y2Ddw8vTIEq_cR1CouOg9NUfFtDq8mQKWyzHHVLEom6TBQmPilNtvwDy1eUJnIL9G8I.6szaPOCpvbgk5BFS29sElIJWMNe9iRo.tCcbW8fYsQh3dXKD_BwLfjuOKdW5IvqLv2xJRDU4YotTdgtX99kvgNKLthhezb0vr8.mE_ozYBttnGy8mzAWtFDUJL7FRIZIoeAl4mWR_j0GPwT_AS.CwAiwQQLKiSoV0tqPGfDxjCJGON3wio2oakrHY8k.EfacsELaOyS2dV7l5Yj7OGdM5KO5i_5CzXMX1Gtn9LA2OlLX3gz4ix0Zw5EerCT9ZLqi1mt7ZmZVIR7K9nLxh_QfkAL9tWiLRTh0_ap2ek4jEfOmCk9_9P.l2eoqYhsoefWlj_ABQl9ctlSr4Epq6sz_f4Nj.PqKamL1G1T5UDJAuKv5zjbEt.bfkPUhwmIJXIGkB.qlTP9KgtZOYIAnP1BfPen1aQEJC0.y0_3la1jsqjcMyW5V.4RXp5VCzuuXAslYeYkMKqwFrJ36lmZuk1uKvXUBDZONdNqDd2 X-Originating-IP: [208.43.146.75] Authentication-Results: mta1044.mail.sk1.yahoo.com from=freebsd.org; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=freebsd.org; dkim=neutral (no sig) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO secure.mpcustomer.com) (208.43.146.75) by mta1044.mail.sk1.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 19 May 2010 22:11:32 -0700 Received: by secure.mpcustomer.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 39DDB279AB3; Thu, 20 May 2010 00:11:32 -0500 (CDT) To: James Phillips anti_spam...@yahoo.ca Subject:[#24508771] Re: 7.0/i386 to 8.0/amd64 - gmirror/gstripe migration Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 00:11:32 -0500 From: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Add sender to Contacts Reply-To: supp...@mpcustomer.com Message-ID: a5745526da76cdd0d28769432b216...@secure.mpcustomer.com X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: PHPMailer (phpmailer.sourceforge.net) [version 2.0.4] X-Uberinst: uber_phase-support X-Mailer: Ubersmith MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Length: 1908 Compact Headers Hello, This is an automated response to inform you that your question has been entered into our system, and will be reviewed shortly. Your ticket has been submitted into the General Support department. We will respond to you as soon as possible. == Please keep this information, and use it when refering to your ticket: Ticket subject: Re: 7.0/i386 to 8.0/amd64 - gmirror/gstripe migration Ticket number: 24508771 Ticket link: https://secure.mpcustomer.com/ticket.php?ticket=24508771 Ticket body: Hi! SNIPPED Regards, James Phillips ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 7.0/i386 to 8.0/amd64 - gmirror/gstripe migration
Hi! I am planning to move from 7.0-REL-i386 to 8.0-REL-amd64 SNIP! Does anyone foresee any serious problems with this plan? I know doing a whole version upgrade can sometimes introduce bugs when dealing with old setups, so I just want to cover my bases prior to the work. This sounds like the kind of thing Release notes were designed for. I was not able to find them on the first page of the FreeBSD website, but if you click the big Get FreeBSD Now button, there is a link in the table detailing the releases: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.0R/relnotes.html I am backing up this system to another system, so if I end up losing the data or having to rebuild the array, that's fine, it just sucks having to copy the 2TB of data over the wire afterward. Good idea ;) FreeBSD no longer supports dangerously dedicated UFS filesystems (section 2.2.5 of Detailed release notes) but I'm not sure if that is possible with gmirror. Thanks for your help! ++AMARU PS: Your reply to yourself was in the same digest message. Not everybody is in your timezone either. Regards, James Phillips ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd install from floppy
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:54:38 + From: Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: freebsd install from floppy To: per...@pluto.rain.com Cc: questi...@freebsd.org, plukaw...@gmail.com Message-ID: 4b92265e.5030...@infracaninophile.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/03/2010 09:26:22, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: I seem to remember something about the floppy images being dropped because few current (or even recent) systems have a floppy drive at all, much less a bootable one. Yeah, but the floppy disk drive was already obsolete 10 years ago. It's just taken this long for it to fall down dead. Good riddance to it. Why would anyone want an unreliable, slow and tiny capacity device when you can get GiB capacity USB sticks everywhere nowadays? Correction: Apple stopped selling computers with floppy drives about 10 years ago. The floppy drive is not obsolete because there is still no viable replacement that has the same (or better) functionality. The problem with USB sticks is that they don't have user-accessible write-protect tabs. If you plug a USB stick into a compromised system, it is tainted. Secure Digital Cards have a write-protect tab, but Secure means secure against copying (Copy Protection for Recordable Media), making them inappropriate for known good filesystem images. I have started using CD-ROM booting to install FreeBSD. The problem with CD-R images is that any tweaks to the disk image require burning a new disk. Regards, James Phillips Recent Slashdot exchange about exactly this issue: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1565678cid=31302916 __ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer® 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: video cam with room view for FreeBSD
Message: 23 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:33:43 +0100 From: Bas v.d. Wiel b...@kompasmedia.nl Subject: Re: video cam with room view for FreeBSD Skype Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 4b912457.5040...@kompasmedia.nl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed SNIP! In the past I've had reasonable succes using a standard camcorder over firewire to do things like this. It's been a few years though. If using firewire isn't an issue for you, I'd be happy to delve into my pile of notes and see if I can find you something of a howto. The advantage of a firewire camera is in the much more standardized protocol between PC and camera. Bas USB cameras are starting to implement a standard protocol as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_video_device_class (Shortened to UVC) It is apparently a requirement for USB and Vista certification. From the Wikipedia page: FreeBSD Not implemented yet, there are patches available which make Linux kernel USB mediadrivers work in userspace by using an asynchronous USB interface. It's the first OS allowing to have an entire highspeed USB driver in userland. Regards, James Phillips __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Compiler Flags problem with core2 CPU
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:37:27 +0800 From: Aaron Lewis aaron.lewis1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Compiler Flags problem with core2 CPU To: Paul B Mahol one...@gmail.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 4b8a7fa7.1070...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Really ? It's bad to use custom flags to compile kernel , why do you think so ? I'd like to know more about this : ) So setting optimize compiler flags is only useful for userland stuff ? I laughed at your question because I remember reading somewhere that using aggressive optimization options is a good way to find compiler bugs. I think that extends of optimizations for new CPU architectures as well. I also heard kernel code avoids MMX instructions for some reason: it may have to do with interrupt handling (fewer registers=faster?). x86 (and AMD64) processors are backwards compatible, so you don't strictly need the latest instructions. Regards, James Phillips __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [FR]Lien mort sur install-pre (floppies)
Translation: Good day, In the pre-installation section of the handbook (french version) the link to the boot-floppy images is broken. Regards, Pierre-Yves Le Borgne Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:26:43 +0100 From: Pierre-Yves Le Borgne pylaterr...@gmail.com Subject: [FR]Lien mort sur install-pre (floppies) To: questi...@freebsd.org Message-ID: 6804ee40912191326n66f32dd8x8e8e717f0aa4...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Bonjour, Sur http://www.freebsd.org/doc/fr/books/handbook/install-pre.html , un lien indiqué ( ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.0-RELEASE/floppies/) est mort. Cordialement, Pierre-Yves Le Borgne -- It is not clear to me if he is just trying to point out a documentation bug or if the 8.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso does not work for him. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/8.0/ (I was able to confirm the link *is* broken.) Regards, James Phillips __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: disk with high frequency noise only on FreeBSD
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:52:50 +0200 From: ly4uk Root ly...@ukr.net Subject: disk with high frequency noise only on FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 1260568370.99298.49.ca...@localhost Content-Type: text/plain SNIP! cleaning), but drive is still squeaking. Now I'm using freebsd 8.0, not fresh install, got it from seven release (at almost year ago) by tracking stable branch. All noise came exactly in one reboot while upgrading to 8.0-RC2. So, it would be interesting to get Your answer about possible solutions(if You know such) or maybe some comments(if don't). I will be very happy for that, many excuse for disturbance. Now, this post is interesting. I'm sure many people with a software background may be tempted to write this report off as completely implausible. The truth is even non-moving parts such as inductors and possibly capacitors can move in response to an applied signal. For example, my ADSL modem with no moving parts makes an audible hissing noise louder than the (80mm) fan noise of my BSD server. I have no idea what would be causing this in 8.0-RC2, but I can suggest what to look for: anything polling the drive in the audible frequency range (20 to 20 thousand times per second). Another possiblity is any action the repeats at that rate, but was not present in ealier versions. The timer interrupt is in that range, but other systems like GNU/Linux (before the tickless kernel) and Windows use a similar timer. To the original poster: you say this is a laptop. How do you know the noise is coming from the hard drive and not some other component like the speakers/Network card/fan? Regards, James Phillips __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dangerously Dedicated
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:12:45 +0100
From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de
Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated
To: Maxim Khitrov mkhit...@gmail.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Message-ID: 20091210031245.3fd58187.free...@edvax.de
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:41:40 -0500, Maxim Khitrov
mkhit...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Rolf Nielsen
listrea...@lazlarlyricon.com
wrote:
As far as I understand it, it's called
Dangerously Dedicated because it may
cause other systems not to recognise the disk.
Consequently, newfs'ing a
slice without first partitioning it can hardly be
DD, since that is what
other systems do, right?
I think I understand: using the DOS compatible partition (slice)
table follows the principle of least surprise. That is why I use
slices for my dedicated BSD machine. 4 places to put your data are
ostensibly better than 1, and I avoid any possible BIOS bugs if the
BIOS sees a non-standard MBR.
That is correct. That slice will not be bootable, but
you can use it
to store data.
Being bootable is a matter of what the MBR boot block
says. In a DD setting, it refers to the first partition
(that's not within a slice), e. g. ad0a. Especially in
a multi-OS setting, the use of slices seems to be
strongly recommended so all operating systems behave
in the required way (due to compatibility reasons,
see DOS primary partitions), which limits the number
of slices to 4.
I would say a common partition format is REQUIRED in a multi-boot
situation. For PC OS's, that means DOS compatibility.
For plain storage, it's not needed to encapsulate the
partition with the file system inside a slice, e. g.
ad1 ad1s1 ad1s1e
{ [
(/data) ] }
in comparison to
ad1 ad1c
{ (/data) }
And as it is known, the c can be omitted, as in
# mount /dev/ad1 /data
The Detailed 8.0 release notes don't say anything about bootability:
2.2.5 File Systems
“dangerously dedicated” mode for the UFS file system
is no longer supported
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.0R/relnotes-detailed.html
I also note that the DOS partition (slice) table is not explictly
required either: could you use an Apple partiton (slice) table
instead?
UFS not supporting DD mode struck me as weird BECAUSE it has to work
with different architectures.
Of course, if you are just storing raw data, you don't always *need*
a filesystem.
Regards,
James Phillips
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Re: Dangerously Dedicated (was: How do I create large ...)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:00:29 +0100 From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de Subject: Re: How do I create large partitions in FreeBSD? To: krad kra...@googlemail.com Cc: Peter Steele pste...@maxiscale.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 20091208220029.2052102f.free...@edvax.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:52:52 +, krad kra...@googlemail.com wrote: stay away from dangerously dedicated it seems as though they are being phased out I've followed the related discussion, but I'm not sure what to conclude from it... as far as I understood, creating an installation dangerously dedicated mode isn't possible from sysinstall anymore, but still possible via the command line tools. I don't see a reason why it is considered to be something bad, but the inclusion of a carrier slice for the OS's partitions has always been recommended. But for data disks where only one partition is intended, why create it inside a slice? I sort of followed the discussion as well. There was some disagreement about what dangreously dedicated means. Does it mean getting rid of the DOS partition table (slices?) Or, does it mean creating a slice or disks without BSD partitions? The Handbook (18.3) says: If the disk is going to be truly dedicated to FreeBSD, you can use the dedicated mode. Otherwise, FreeBSD will have to live within one of the PC BIOS partitions. FreeBSD calls the PC BIOS partitions slices so as not to confuse them with traditional BSD partitions. The programer in charge of the change seemed to indicate that the Dangerously dedicated mode (I assume that means no BSD partititons) conflicts with GEOM: Modular Disk Transformation Framework. GEOM appears to be an asbtraction layer for accessing various disks. With the move underway to start accessing all disk as SCSI(3 is device independent (with translation help)) devices, it probably makes for more elegant code. Handbook (19.2 GEOM Introduction) reads: GEOM permits access and control to classes -- Master Boot Records, BSD labels, etc -- through the use of providers, or the special files in /dev. Supporting various software RAID configurations, GEOM will transparently provide access to the operating system and operating system utilities. The important thing in that quote is that BSD labels (and Master Boot Records) are mentioned specificly. Regards, James Phillips __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 287, Issue 13
Sorry about that (accidentally quoted most the Digest (issue 12) in a reply). Need to start using a real email client :( -james. __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [Solved] Having problems burning a DVD
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Al Plant n...@hdk5.net wrote: From: Al Plant n...@hdk5.net Subject: Re: [Solved] Having problems burning a DVD To: James Phillips anti_spam...@yahoo.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: Friday, December 4, 2009, 12:26 PM James Phillips wrote: SNIP! I noticed that the hash does not match the ISO file. Is that normal for DVDs? For CD images I often get the md5 hash to match. SNIP! Aloha JP, This is what I use on FreeBSD from the command line to burn DVD's. I have used it on FreeBSD 8* for a while. (Simple and it works.)- Yes, I got that far, hence the [Solved] tag. I was mainly concerned that I made a mess of my /boot/loader.conf I am also a little concerned that the DVD only reads a ~1.5MB/s (a little faster than 1x), but it appears to work. Burning happened at ~7x according to growisofs. Then Run # growisofs -dvd-compat -Z dev/cd0=/usr/home/alp/FreeBSD_7/7.2-RELEASE-p1-i386-disc1.iso (all on one line) Then Use cd0 as a DVD burner and make the DVD-R I tested the DVD on a spare box and it installed just fine. I found out why the checksum didn't match: the -dvd-compat option adds 6 2048 byte sectors of zeros to the end of the disk. So, I was able to verify the md5 sum by reading only the number of sectors present in the iso file. $ dd if=/dev/dvd bs=2048 count=996586 | md5 I noticed the size discrepancy while doing a binary search using the iseek (dd)(and count) argument(s) to narrow down the location of the corruption. Regards, James Phillips __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [Solved] Having problems burning a DVD
Hello, After making two coasters with a graphical CD burning program using Ubuntu, I decided to try using FreeBSD: I want to start backing up to DVD anyway. After some searching I learned I missed some details in the handbook on the first and second reads such as: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-dvds.html The program growisofs(1) will be used to perform DVD recording. This command is part of the dvd+rw-tools utilities (sysutils/dvd+rw-tools). The dvd+rw-tools support all DVD media types. I had hard time finding the non-existent growisofs package! These tools use the SCSI subsystem to access to the devices, therefore the ATAPI/CAM support must be added to your kernel. If your burner uses the USB interface this addition is useless, and you should read the Section 18.5 for more details on USB devices configuration. Using the atapicd driver generated the following error message: :-( unable to CAMGETPASSTHRU for /dev/acd0: Inappropriate ioctl for device After the command: $ growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/acd0=8.0-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso before you ask: MD5 (8.0-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso) = 5336cd827991e4d4cff6d73c4a5ca105 Release announcement: 5336cd827991e4d4cff6d73c4a5ca105 I tried playing with /etc/devfs.conf as suggested by Predrag Punosevac $ id uid=1002(backup) gid=1002(backup) groups=1002(backup),5(operator),1003(Share) $ cat /etc/devfs.conf |sed 's/#.*//g' linkcd0 cdrom linkcd0 dvd linkcd0 rdvd own cdrom root:operator own dvd root:operator own rdvdroot:operator permcd0 0660 permcdrom 0660 permdvd 0660 permrdvd0660 permxpt00660 permpass0 0660 - that sed command was stolen from a script expecting CRlf -originally used device acd0 (until enabling atapicam) $ cat /boot/loader.conf acpi_load=no apm_load=yes atapicam_load=yes #ata_load=yes# enabled by default scbus_load=yes cd_load=yes pass_load=yes atapicd_load=no #hw.ata.atapi_dma=1 # enabled by default With the atapicam driver I was able to somehow get growisofs to go through the motions of burning the DVD, even have a kernel message from GEOM reading the BSD label: $ tail /var/log/messages Dec 3 20:00:00 dusty newsyslog[833]: logfile turned over due to size100K Dec 3 20:00:28 dusty kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider acd0t01 is iso9660/FreeBSD_Install. but can't read the disk to verify it: $ dd if=/dev/cd0 bs=2048 | md5 996592+0 records in 996592+0 records out 2041020416 bytes transferred in 1292.388284 secs (1579263 bytes/sec) 19b087536234b316b64232ba6b1c1799 Umm. Nevermind. I added the block size so nobody would try suggesting it has an effect :P previous error: $ dd if=/dev/cd0 | md5 dd: /dev/cd0: Invalid argument 0+0 records in 0+0 records out 0 bytes transferred in 0.000721 secs (0 bytes/sec) d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e I noticed that the hash does not match the ISO file. Is that normal for DVDs? For CD images I often get the md5 hash to match. The man page for atapicam(4) warns: atapicam and ATAPI-specific target drivers (acd(4), ast(4), and afd(4)) can be configured in the same kernel. Simultaneous access to the same device through the SCSI generic drivers and the ATAPI-specific drivers may cause problems and is strongly discouraged. Is there anything special I should do to try to disable the atapicd driver? I don't think my 'atapicd_load=no' line in /boot/loader.conf has much of an effect. Regards, James Phillips __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Phoronix Benchmarks: Waht's wrong with FreeBSD 8.0?
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:07:15 +1100 From: alex a...@mailinglist.ahhyes.net Subject: Re: Phoronix Benchmarks: Waht's wrong with FreeBSD 8.0? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 4b138b43.4000...@mailinglist.ahhyes.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed I didn't know these were released already, but I had a look. I was disappointed with the results. If anyone wants to look here is the link: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=freebsd8_benchmarksnum=1 Linux's ext4 seems to leave UFS and ZFS well behind in a number of benchmarks. My first thought is that Ext4 may be cheating on the benchmarks. The performance regressions should probably be concerning though. Ext4 data loss; explanations and workarounds http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ext4-data-loss-explanations-and-workarounds-740671.html Ext4 data loss Bug #317781 (Fix released) https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781 If you really want to make sure the data in on disk, you have to use fsync() or fdatasync(). Even with ext3, if you crash at the wrong time, you will also lose data. So it's not the case with ext4 that it's going to truncate files ievery time/i a non-redundant component dies. It's not bevery time/b. If you fdatasync() or fsync() the file, once the system call returns you know it will be safely on disk. With the patches, the blocks will be forcibly allocated in the case where you are replacing an existing file, so if you crash, you'll either get the old version (if the commit didn't make it) or the new version (if the commit did make it). If you really care, you could write a program which runs sync() every 5 seconds, or even every 1 second. Your performance will be completely trashed, but that's the way things break. - Theodore Ts'o wrote on 2009-03-06 __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Phoronix Benchmarks: Waht's wrong with FreeBSD 8.0?
--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: This is actually the way UFS/FFS works too: when my system was crashing fairly regularly I was a bit surprised to find empty files after editing them. Also, I just verified that saving a file, rebooting, editing it again (with ee(1)) and powering off the system does still result in a zero length file being on disk. Ok, good to know. I saw UFS corruption once with frequent restarts, but assumed that was because the delayed filesystem checking never had a chance to run. Since I don't have a UPS I guess backups are doubly important. -james. __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: slightly complex query - one machine with two network interfaces
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:16:53 + From: John comp.j...@googlemail.com Subject: slightly complex query - one machine with two network interfaces To: freebsd-questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 20091129101652.gb48...@potato Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii it. Can anyone give me pointers on how to make the wireless interface more usable? basically, I want to export via either nfs or samba some shares to the wireless network, but routing ropiness seems to kill this. I suggest you should be careful here. By default NFS seems to assume that only trusted hosts (not users) will connect. If your share is read-only that may not be a problem (depending on the information shared). You should also make sure samba is using (sufficiently strongly) encrypted passwords as well. You may want to read the security section of the handbook. Regards, James Phillips PS: If I want to be paranoid over wireless I need new hardware. My PII 350 can only do SSH (128 bit 3-DES?) at ~1MB/s. __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD torrent tracker give wierd numbers?
Hello, On the Development list somebody mentioned the BitTorrent tracker: http://torrents.FreeBSD.org:8080/ Looking at this page: http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/stats.html?info_hash=329525ff9a0fbd43ee25e50c510564919255403e I noticed that it lists everyone as being connected for about 8 minutes. This leads to strange results like my download speed being listed as 1.89 MB/sec when it is in fact capped at 100kB/sec. Before downloading, I was wondering why everybody seemed to have such fat pipes :P Regards, James Phillips __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 7.2, usb mouse, uhub0: device problem
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:58:27 -0500 From: Jerry ges...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: 7.2, usb mouse, uhub0: device problem (IOERROR), To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 20091120155827.7526e...@scorpio.seibercom.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII SNIP! Thanks! I guess the 'wireless' menu item is either not working, or I am using it incorrectly on that site. There is no wireless menu item on the product search page: http://www.usb.org/kcompliance/view The Wireless Products Only Radio button refers to products using the Wireless USB Standard that I assume is supposed to be some kind of blue-tooth killer. (All Retail Categories returns only 117 results) http://www.usb.org/developers/wusb/ If you select the Hi-Speed Products Only option, only one mouse is returned. (I never found serial mice working at only 9600bps unresponsive; barring dirty rollers. Newer mice have higher resolution I guess.) Regards, James Phillips PS: I genuinely did not see the radio buttons when looking for menu items (I did check the drop-down lists). Not sure how proper it is to declare radio buttons not menu items. In my mind, menu items have an immediate effect. I have seen web-pages where choosing a drop-down item affects other drop-down lists in the page. PPS: The choices of effect and affect are intentional. This page agrees with me (Still not sure if I'm correct): http://www.writersblock.ca/tips/monthtip/tipsep99a.htm __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 7.2, usb mouse, uhub0: device problem (IOERROR),
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:18:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Terribile materrib...@yahoo.com Subject: 7.2, usb mouse, uhub0: device problem (IOERROR), disabling port 3 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 181765.78137...@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I just put 7.2 on an Asus P5N7A-VM motherboard (running with a Core II Quad 2.33). This motherboard has a PS/2 connector for the keyboard but not for the mouse. When I plug a USB mouse in, or connect a PS/2 mouse through an appropriate green adaptor (PS/2 mouse/USB) I get the following error on the console and in /var/log/messages: Nov 17 15:35:11 silver kernel: uhub0: device problem (IOERROR), disabling port 3 You can't just use a PS/2 - USB adapter on *any* mouse; you need a dual protocol mouse. It sound like your mouse may be old enough that it only supports a PS/2 - RS-232 (9 pin serial) adapter. Your board may have a header to allow the easy installation of a serial port, but I have not checked (and serial mice may not be auto-magically configured). Last time I was looking for a mouse, I could not find a PS/2 version. I was reluctant to get a USB mouse because none of them are USB Certified (http://www.usb.org). Many of them also had a Side-scrolling scroll wheel (designed with Vista in mind?) very awkward to use as a middle button. If you mouse IS a USB mouse, try a different one. Regards, James Phillips __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 7.2, usb mouse, uhub0: device problem (IOERROR),
--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: On Nov 20, 2009, at 11:06 AM, James Phillips wrote: Last time I was looking for a mouse, I could not find a PS/2 version. I was reluctant to get a USB mouse because none of them are USB Certified (http://www.usb.org). Many of them also had a Side-scrolling scroll wheel (designed with Vista in mind?) very awkward to use as a middle button. It's quite possibly to your credit that you've actually checked whether a USB mouse has been tested as compliant, but when I do a search for Mice/trackballs/pointers, I get 68 results, including a dozen or so from both Logitech and Microsoft. Ok, I wasn't clear: none of the mice in the local stores I checked had the USB certified logo, Including a Logitech one I ended up getting. I was looking for a $20 mouse, not a $100 mouse, so that may make a difference in labling/testing. *shrug* Regards, James Phillips __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [Solved] Do permissions take time to take effect?
--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com wrote: In the last episode (Nov 17), James Phillips said: I wanted to create a shared directory writable by all users. When it initially failed, I assumed there may be a blanket ban on writing to directories owned by root. Today, I was able to write to the root-owned Share directory. However, when I re-created the directory owned by a special-purpose Share user, I ran into the same problem again. SNIP! You are probably in the users group. Running either the groups or id command will say for sure. Yes, I was using the cd and pwd combination as a poor replacement. It is possible to re-assign the home directory. $ groups james Share $ id uid=1001(james) gid=1001(james) groups=1001(james),1003(Share) (I have since deleted the users group: it is a Debian thing, and I had NIS set up to NOT export the membership information) SNIP! If you are currently either the james or backup user, and added the Share group membership on another tty, then you may need to log out and back in for the system to assign your new group membership to your session. Filesystem permissions take effect immediately, but group memberships are assigned once, at login. This here was the problem. I was not logging out after the changes. However, I am in the habit of logging out at the end of the day. As a result, I would get the updated permissions when I log in the next day. Thank-you for your help, James Phillips __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: hdd voltage
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:01:15 -0800 (PST) From: D?nielisz L?szl? laszlo_daniel...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: hdd voltage To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 615511.15311...@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thank you guys for the interest you bring solving my issue! Actualy I noticed one thing for sure: I have to hdd-s in my PC, an 80GB Seagate ATA (the o.s. boot hdd) and one 1T Seagate SATA (only for storage), there were no problems when I used just the 80GB neither with the 1T, I noticed only that I'm getting thouse reboots when I start to copy about more than 4-5GB from the 1T hdd to my laptop (on ftp). Maybe the hdd was too warm after copying that amount of data? SNIP! You don't specify what models you have. The specs for a random, slightly higher-end, 1TB SATA Seagate drive states an operating temperature range of 0C-60C. http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/disc/manuals/desktop/Barracuda%207200.12/100529369e.pdf - Page 4, PDF page 11 Found: http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/desktops/barracuda_hard_drives/barracuda_7200.12/#tTabContentSpecifications 49 Celsius was the top of the tempature for this hdd, I think its normal. After that Google study, I prefer to keep my drives below 40C if I can. Current temp (idle): 41C. Regards, James Phillips __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Do permissions take time to take effect?
Hello, I wanted to create a shared directory writable by all users. When it initially failed, I assumed there may be a blanket ban on writing to directories owned by root. Today, I was able to write to the root-owned Share directory. However, when I re-created the directory owned by a special-purpose Share user, I ran into the same problem again. $ cd $ pwd /home/james $ cd /home/Share $ ls -la total 4 drwxrwxr-x 2 root users 512 Nov 14 09:39 . drwxr-xr-x 5 root wheel 512 Nov 14 09:39 .. $ grep users /etc/group users:*:100:james,backup $ cat test.txt What? now it worked? $ ls test.txt $ rm test.txt ***After creating a special Share user*** $ cd /home/Share $ ls -la total 4 drwxrwxr-x 2 Share Share 512 Nov 17 21:04 . drwxr-xr-x 5 root wheel 512 Nov 17 21:04 .. $ cat test.txt cannot create test.txt: Permission denied $ grep Share /etc/group Share:*:1003:james,backup $ Incidentally, I had another reason for creating a special-purpose Share user: I am exporting /home to Debian (Linux) clients. Since the system groups conflict with the Debian choices, I modified /var/yp/Makefile to only export users and groups in the range of 1001-2000. Regards, James Phillips PS: the first time, I made the mistake of adding whitespace in /etc/group (daily run checks this somehow) Is a blank line required at the end of the file? PPS: Tried adding blank line: no effect. __ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer® 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [FreeBSD Questions] Filesystem image as root
--- On Sun, 11/15/09, CyberLeo Kitsana cyber...@cyberleo.net wrote: James Phillips wrote: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:29:59 -0600 From: CyberLeo Kitsana cyber...@cyberleo.net Subject: [FreeBSD Questions] Filesystem image as root The single IDE connector is accessible via the legacy ISA ports, and is thus limited to PIO modes (about 1.6MB/sec max, even with an actual hard drive instead of a CF card). You are off by an order of magnitude (base 2 or 10): Pio mode 0 is ~3.3 MB/s Pio mode 4 is ~16.7 MB/s http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/modesPIO-c.html You can probably set PIO mode 4 for with: # atacontrol mode ad0 PIO4 If only that were true in this case. (85eef1f3)[r...@ss4200 ~]# atacontrol mode ad0 PIO4 current mode = PIO2 (85eef1f3)[r...@ss4200 ~]# atacontrol mode ad0 PIO4 current mode = PIO2 (85eef1f3)[r...@ss4200 ~]# dd if=/dev/ad0 of=/dev/null bs=4096 count=4096 4096+0 records in 4096+0 records out 16777216 bytes transferred in 10.111748 secs (1659181 bytes/sec) Nothing I've tried seems to boost the throughput, hence the desire to use a compressed cached filesystem image. Thanks for the suggestions, though! Ouch! I thought the laptop I was fixing last week was bad: running Vista with a 10MB/s transfer rate :P The drive in my Pentium 166 gets 11-12MB/s. I actually looked up both the PIO modes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmed_input/output And the spec sheet (assuming Tom's hardware was wrong) before composing my original reply: Intel® Entry Storage System SS4200-E Technical product specification [PDF] http://download.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/ss4200-e/sb/ss4200e_tps_11.pdf I noted that the ATA port is not listed as a feature, which is not a good sign. It does appear in the block-diagram labeled:DOM Glossary definition: Disk On Module If I had to guess: Intel did something weird or non-standard to the port, so the standard BSD driver does not work properly. Have you read the ata(4) manual page? The following /boot/device.hints are suggested for ISA: hint.ata.0.at=isa hint.ata.0.port=0x1f0 hint.ata.0.irq=14 . . . port '1' probably not needed I had a thought: it could just as easily be pc98 if they don't intend for you to touch the firmware. The firmware has source code available under a GPL license. EMCLifeLineOEMSW-1.0-GPLComponents.tar.gz Ver:1.0 Date:9/24/2009 Size:125585 (KB) EMCLifeLineOEMSW-1.1-GPLComponents.tar.gz Ver:1.1 Date:9/24/2009 Size:244406 (KB) If you are worried about license contamination, you may have to get somebody to look through that and document any changes (to the ATA interface). Hopefully it is based on a well-know code-base like Linux and the diff utility can be used. Of course, the term components implies they only expose a HAL of some kind. Regards, James Phillips PS:# atacontrol mode ad0 will simply print out the current mode. __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 284, Issue 11
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:29:59 -0600 From: CyberLeo Kitsana cyber...@cyberleo.net Subject: [FreeBSD Questions] Filesystem image as root To: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: CyberLeo cyber...@cyberleo.net Message-ID: 4aff67a7.6040...@cyberleo.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have been thinking and experimenting for weeks, but I cannot figure this out. I have an Intel SS4200 NAS that I wish to use as a ZFS NAS with FreeBSD 8.0. The device has 4 SATA bays, and I don't want to use one for a UFS root disk. I don't want to use up hundreds of megabytes of RAM preloading an mfsroot that can never shrink. The single IDE connector is accessible via the legacy ISA ports, and is thus limited to PIO modes (about 1.6MB/sec max, even with an actual hard drive instead of a CF card). You are off by an order of magnitude (base 2 or 10): Pio mode 0 is ~3.3 MB/s Pio mode 4 is ~16.7 MB/s http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/modesPIO-c.html You can probably set PIO mode 4 for with: # atacontrol mode ad0 PIO4 I am currently using ~ 159MB on my root partition, At 16.7MB/s that is a 10 second load time; and as you said, frequently used files will be cached. (I have a CF card that has 15MB/s symmetric read/write. Don't know how special it is.) With a CF card there should be no seek delay of ~ 10 ms (for reads anyway, deleting blocks probably takes 10ms). Regards, James Phillips SNIPPED pivot_root attempt I can't help with. My summary: maybe you are trying too hard :) __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: APM
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:28:10 -0800 (PST) From: James Phillips anti_spam...@yahoo.ca Subject: APM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 784120.47330...@web65508.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii SNIP! I realize the memory can't be shutdown without Hibernation support, but the disks can be spun down manually (using atacontrol): http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=1012 However, when I try to do that, I find that the disk wakes within 2 seconds of spinning down. I noticed that the spindowns are logged. Could the log being written be causing the drive to spin up again? SNIP! I initially set the time-out to 60 seconds, then 300 seconds in a vain attempt to see the actual power savings. With a 900 second time-out, the drive only spun down once in the past 12 hours. It appears that syslogd can defer *one* log entry. Understandable, since you don't want to loose too many logs in a power failure. tail /var/log/messages (trimmed entries from the 300 second time-out): Nov 13 07:46:59 dusty kernel: ad4: Idle, spin down Nov 13 07:46:59 dusty kernel: wakeup from sleeping state (slept 00:35:44) Nov 13 07:47:01 ad4: request while spun down, starting. It looks like the logging of the spin down woke up the sleeping system. Either that, or the computer did not know the actual spin-down time. The sleep time was reported to be 2144 seconds: 1244 seconds longer than the the set spin-down time (900 seconds). If it was spun-down when I checked this morning, the difference was less than 3W. Though, the current drive (5400RPM) uses ~2 fewer watts than the old (7200 RPM) drive. I'm an not sure, since I replaced RAM, and installed an optical drive since measuring my base-line (with the old drive). My computer case has noise-dampening foam for the hard-disk. I can't hear if the drive is spinning over the inverter in the ADSL modem (9W) and the (quiet) fan noise from both the router (21W) and server. I can heard a click when it starts up, that is about it. Regards, James Phillips __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: APM
I was going to just respond to myself again, but I see I generated some
discussion :)
Anyway, In the
http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=1012
page at least two people mentioned the ATAidle utility. It is not recommended
for the same reason APM isn't: devices sleep without OS consent.
Anyway, I now know the drive saves 5W spun down because this command has
immediate effect:
# ataidle -o /dev/ad4
Followed shortly by:
Nov 13 16:51:11 dusty kernel: ad4: TIMEOUT-WRITE=DMA retrying (1 retry left)
LBA=23261855
I settled on (But using the rc.conf format):
ataidle -I 6 -S 10 /dev/ad4
because I think the Idle timer (minutes) and Supsend timer (minutes) stack
to 16 minutes. Setting the suspend time has an effect of immediately spinning
down the disk though (mentioned in the man page)
No logging means I have to figure out how often the drive spins up/down using
other means. (I don't think the wake from idle (disk seems to keep spinning) or
suspend triggers a message.)
Chuck wrote:
:You might also want to note that 2.5 laptop drives are/should be explicitly
designed to spin down and park themselves much more often than generic IDE
drives are; some generic desktop drives will fail quite rapidly (ie, in a
matter of months) if you attempt to spin them down many times a day.:
I suspect they are rated for a set number of power-on cycles. If (say) 5
shutdowns/day kills the drive in months, it must be rated for something like
1000. (hmm, I should look it up.)
Ideally, I want 1-5 shutdowns a day, depending on use. I know for a fact I want
the drives shutdown when the server is idling for hours at a time. When set
for a 15 minute time out (with atacontrol), the drive was not getting spurious
shut-downs.
--- On Fri, 11/13/09, David Allen the.real.david.al...@gmail.com wrote:
% grep diskless /etc/rc
dlv=`/sbin/sysctl -n vfs.nfs.diskless_valid 2
/dev/null`
if [ ${dlv:=0} -ne 0 -o -f /etc/diskless ]; then
sh /etc/rc.initdiskless
# Run these after determining whether we are booting
diskless in order
# to minimize the number of files that are needed on a
diskless system,
The answer finally appears!
A note to the OP. The only way I've found to keep a
disk spun down
under FreeBSD is using memory devices for both /var and
/tmp.
Disabling syslogd isn't enough, nor is modifying
/etc/crontab, root's
crontab (or even disabling cron) to limit disk
access. But to use
memory devices and have a normal system, you'll need to
re-populate
both /var and /tmp at startup. Which, it
turns out, means starting
with /etc/diskless.
I think I thought of that (putting /var/log in RAM) on my own: it does not
really fit what my server does though: it is a file server.
I have about 5-6GB set aside (big enough to hold a DVD image) for /var and
/tmp, and only 256MB of memory. Backing the ramdisk with swap defeats the
purpose.
Chuck wrote:
rsync -a /var_template /var
That is only half the battle: you need a way to flush it to disk when it
actually spins up; else risk loosing log data (In the event of power/hardware
failure).
I suppose a cron job backing up periodic filesytem snapshots is possible, but
you would have to trigger on the number of interrupts seen by the disk or
something to avoid waking it. I was thinking /proc/interrupts , but that is a
Linux feature :P
Do the messages from spinning the disk back up (with atacontrol) have any
hooks? I suppose if you are desperate, you can (tail+) grep /var/log/messages.
Someone should add a section named Non-Diskless
Diskless Operation
to the Handbook.
I like to think what I am doing (with 10 year old hardware) is cutting edge
research. That is to say, the normal mode of operation for servers is to hold
your nose and let them run 24/7. It is more reliable that way.
The current trend for mitigating that waste of energy is consolidation. If you
can put a dozen servers in one box, hopefully only 1 or 2 will be active at
once.
However, I think drivers and hardware (like NICs with WOL) may have matured to
the point that it is possible to run non-critical servers (and desktops) in
such a way that they only turn on when needed. Suspend mode for the newer
desktops here draw only ~3watts: comparable to the power-off (soft-off) state.
Thanks again for all the help!
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APM
Hello, On Tuesday, I was all happy that I got APM working on my pre-2000 Compaq Deskpro following these instructions: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=4619 On Wednesday, after configuring the router to wake the server whenever DHCP leases are touched (quickdirty hack), I was disappointed to learn that suspend mode saves only ~1watt over the inherent use of the HLT instruction by the kernel. I was expecting a savings of ~6 watts due to the disk spinning down. Approx power consumption (+- 1W): 51 Watts (busy; disk + CPU IIRC; not retested with DVD activity) 35 Watts idle 34 Watts suspend 3 Watts off (Measured using Kill-A-Watt model P4400) Part of the problem may be that I am not using the on board IDE controllers: I am using a Promise (Ultra100TX2) PDC20268 I realize the memory can't be shutdown without Hibernation support, but the disks can be spun down manually (using atacontrol): http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=1012 However, when I try to do that, I find that the disk wakes within 2 seconds of spinning down. I noticed that the spindowns are logged. Could the log being written be causing the drive to spin up again? apm(4) says that apm gets around that problem by logging the suspend event AFTER waking up. I suppose it would be tricky to concurrently log to spin down of several disks that way. For example: Say disk with /var/log spins down at 00:00:05, but the rarely-used /srv drive spins down at 00:00:07. Should the logging drive defer recording BOTH spin-down messages, or spin-up, then spin-down again at about 00:15:20? Not that important for a 1W savings, but apm says my BIOS supports the following capabilities: global standby state // Supported sleep modes global suspend state resume timer from standby // Resume timer allows sleep to last resume timer from suspend // specific period of time? RI resume from standby // Wake on interrupts, i assume RI resume from suspend Would it be possible to coordinate the cron dameon with the suspend timer? Ie: wake 15 sec- 5min before next cron job? Not worth it without hibernate support though. apm(4) does not mention suspend timers at all. acpi(4) mentions timer as a sub-device and feature that can be disabled. Regards, James Phillips __ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd forgets root password
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:46:03 -0500 From: Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: freebsd forgets root password To: kalin m ka...@el.net Cc: freebsd-questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 6201873e0910231846j4386baa9g3bd3eab21fed1...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM, kalin m ka...@el.net wrote: hi all this is really weird. i've must have set up the root password on this new machine i got at least 5 times and after a few reboots this thing forgets it. i have to go in single user and reset it again and again?!? what can be the reason? Couple guesses: You keep forgetting the password caps lock On my BSD server, I have a keyboard with a failing shift key. This means if I touch-type the password one day, and huntpeck the next, the result is not the same. With how flimsy the entry-level keyboards are these days, it may be *almost* as likely ;) Regards, James Phillips __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must
Message: 9 Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:07:25 -0400 From: PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must To: Polytropon free...@edvax.de Cc: Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 4ada23fd.8020...@videotron.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:29:04 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: It is simple to understand Emglish but not so simple what was meant by whoever wrote it...I cannot correct something that I do not uderstand... come on, man, that should be easy to understand. As English is not my native language, I *now* understand the meaning of it should; in this case, it seems to mean something like basically, it is supposed to, but in this case, it does not, regarding the desired action. To be as precise as possible, it means normally it should work so go ahead; then the question is - what do you mean by normally. You made the blunder of using the word should in your definition of should :) In our case above, the instructions were to do the operation with the disk not in use and the os in SUM. That's very clear. Now, I f they wanted to point out a bug, the bug means that there is an anomaly under certain circumstances - and in this case there really is no bug as it is very clear as to how the instructions should be used. If they consider the operation under a live files system a bug, then they should just make a warning and say something along the lines of do not use on live system as that may destroy data or something to that effect. As others have mentioned, context is important. Somebody even suggested a re-wording dropping the word should. If there was a risk of data-loss, (somebody noted the program refuses to touch a live filesystem,) the bugs section would have read something more like: (Program) SHOULD NOT try writing to a live file-system. That is to say, the word should in a Bugs section implies a wish-list item. Meaning: it is technically possible, but the maintainers have not done the necessary (possibly tedious) work yet. Regards, James Phillips __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: usb key problem
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:32:46 +0200 From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de Subject: Re: usb key problem To: PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 20091016013246.c0e022e5.free...@edvax.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:18:45 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Now that I have had a few moments to think about it, maybe I have to give good old cruze and enema and format it under XP ... maybe all it needs is a clean system on it. ;-) I'm not sure if USB sticks tend to degrade filesystem-wise, but when you put such a stick into random Windows PCs, it's quite possible that data gets messed up. The most ideal solution of course is to simply newfs the stick and give it a UFS file system, but sadly, Windows PC are resistent to standards, so they won't read it, but will force you to use old-fashioned MS-DOS-like file systems. :-) To be fair, Windows XP supports the NTFS filesystem that is very feature-rich. Although, I recall making a XP machine unbootable trying to format removable media with NTFS because only the installer woulds use that filesystem. The format utility let me choose between Fat16 and FAt32 or something :P A better tool, under both Windows (via Cygwin) and BSD, would be ntfsprogs. http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsmount Regards, James Phillips -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: windoz, how do i install it last
Message: 30 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:05:23 -0400 From: Henry Olyer henry.ol...@gmail.com Subject: windoz, how do i install it last To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 1d7089c40910060405k3ac6f53bx252ade8183f1f...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So I have a FreeBSD system. Is their a way to install windoz? Say, XP-pro? Or whatever... From the subject I gather you want to shrink the BSD slice, or have room, then install Windows. The fact you are asking the question suggests you don't have your work backed up, and won't listen when told to backup your work (takes one to know one). The other possibility is that you want to install BSD now, but Windows later. SNIPPED BACK-UP BOOT SECTOR SUGGESTION (decided it was more trouble than it was worth) I any case, you need a way to boot FreeBSD without the bootsector, such as the installation CD. As I am not familiar with the gory details, I will refer you to Chapter 2 of the Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html If you can't get the Windows Boot manager to boot FreeBSD, you will want to use the FreeBSD boot manager, mentioned in section: 2.6.3 Install a Boot Manager. Regards, James Phillips __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
Message: 29 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:45:18 -0600 From: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com Subject: Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 20091004054518.gd37...@guilt.hydra Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 08:01:07AM -0700, James Phillips wrote: I have this fantasy that if I design and build a better streaming video format, They (broadcasters) will use it, if properly marketed. It may be a fantasy, but as fantasies go, it's not a bad one. This would be despite the lack of strong DRM or license terms (GPL v3 is OK, right?). No, it isn't okay, really. That's ok: I've thought of an out for the licensing issue: I can write up an RFC. That way the BSD people can boast about their reference implementation, while the GNU zealots can be assured that their pure implementation won't be leveraged against them. 4. Publishers are authenticated with a Public-key infrastructure That caught my attention. I don't think we necessarily need a mainstream style implementation of PKI, though. I'd say either go with simple public key digital signatures in the style of OpenPGP or take cues from the Perspectives plugin for Firefox and do distributed web of trust style verification. Certifying Authorities are basically just a social engineering trick; now, instead of trusting one party, you have to trust two. I think I fell into the trap of using buzzwords. I *know* Certifying Authorities are an interm scam needed until the general population understands how public keys work. I think PGP style (but binary) signatures on every ~32kB packet solves the problem of authentication in the event of of missing packets. I was envisioning that the CNN's and BBC's of the world would have a series of public keys (one for each bureau), while Joe down the street would have 1 or 2 (one public, one for darknets). 2. For interoperability, I need to stabilize key points of the spec before publication. Currently struggling with date stamps (taking into account leap seconds) (mostly resolved), and a transform to allow the publisher to be authenticated even if some data is missing. There are copyfree licensed implementations of date management that take leap seconds into account out there already. Is there some reason you can't borrow liberally from them? Probably because I don't know about them :) Actually, I was planning to borrow from Unix Time, increasing the resolution, and making the number signed (for old recordings). But, Unix time doesn't do leap seconds, so they have to be added back in. Just recently, (reading cal(1)) I realized another problem: not everyone uses the Gregorian Calendar. Now I have to decide how to take that into account sufficiently. 4. A dual-license may quickly result in a fork that implements features I really don't want to see. (Read: anything deliberately incompatible.) That's just another reason to go with a copyfree license instead of the GPL. A copyfree license wouldn't have a stick preventing the implementation of an effective technological measure as described in Article 11 the 1996 WIPO treaty (GPL v3 does). If the (hypothetical) RFC explicitly says that copy-protection won't work (in the security considerations section), MAYBE a judge will decide any incompatible implementation is also ineffective at copy protection. Regards, James Phillips __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
--- On Sun, 10/4/09, jhell jh...@dataix.net wrote: From: jhell jh...@dataix.net Subject: Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player To: James Phillips anti_spam...@yahoo.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 1:07 PM On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:33 -0700, anti_spam256@ wrote: Vague specific stuff about an ill-defined video standard So how many different subjects are in here that don't thread ? With all due respect: wheres Waldo ? Most on-topic is probably the licensing issue: I like the GPLv3, but many BSD users don't like it for the same reasons. I don't want to publish comprehensive details about my (video format) idea until I have the format defined in a forward-compatible way. AS I am fantasy land, I think that people will try implementing incompatible versions as soon as it's published. The risk is that may happen anyway if my format is not good enough. I haven't even done testing to find out how well compression is performed. Second-Worst case (mono white noise), I estimate that loss-less compression will only be able to compress frame changes to ~25% of the original frame size. Lossy compression will be a simple averaging of nearby pixels for (multiples of) ~4:1 compression. Mpeg is supposed to get up to 300:1. TL;DR: If you have to ask what the point is, it is probably off-topic and I can shut-up now. Regards, James Phillips __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
-- Message: 9 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 06:28:29 +0100 From: Lucian @ lastdot.org luc...@lastdot.org Subject: Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 5a3c8f45091008k3c196b6ay1acc3031716d6...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 SNIP! Better pray for Theora's mass adoption on streaming sites :-) I have this fantasy that if I design and build a better streaming video format, They (broadcasters) will use it, if properly marketed. This would be despite the lack of strong DRM or license terms (GPL v3 is OK, right?). The idea is I build a public version, then sell a custom corporate version that is buzz-word certified with whatever standards they want (except strong DRM; incompatible with the license) for ~$30,000 a seat, or some volume [del]license[del] purchasing agreement. I got the idea when I realized that the current formats used by broadcasters suck. Most are based on MPEG that had some processing constraints no longer present (to the same extent) on modern computers. General idea: 1. Do away with the outdated concept of live. There is always a delay. Make the delay predictable and visible to the user by sychronizing clocks with NTP. A live broadcast would have a calibrated delay ranging from seconds to minutes. pre-recorded would be minutes to centuries. 2. Modify Bittorrent protocol for Steaming media. There is already (incompatible) work in this area. 3a. Separate Lossy Compression from Lossless Compression. This will result in a variable bit-rate stream. I came up with a (fast) transform so that the lossless compression stores only the changes between (key) frames. 3b. Optional Variable frame-rate stream: new frame only needed after a certain percentage of the scene changes. 4. Publishers are authenticated with a Public-key infrastructure 5. For UDP or Broadcast, a format variant tolerates data loss with graceful degradation. Main stumbling blocks: 1. trying to do too much at once: file format and protocol rolled into one. 2. For interoperability, I need to stabilize key points of the spec before publication. Currently struggling with date stamps (taking into account leap seconds) (mostly resolved), and a transform to allow the publisher to be authenticated even if some data is missing. 3. Because my idea is variable data-rate, I can't predict what real-world compression will be. need to do testing. As compression may be affected my MPEG artifacts, need to test with my own raw video. (Loss-less conversion from MPEG would be possible.) 4. A dual-license may quickly result in a fork that implements features I really don't want to see. (Read: anything deliberately incompatible.) 5. I seem to be pre-occupied with the video compression, ignoring sound. Regards, James Phillips PS: was this too off-topic? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 276, Issue 5
Message: 15 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:13:17 -0400 From: Jerry ges...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: reporter on deadline seeks comment about reported security bug in FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 20090915141317.7a41b...@scorpio.seibercom.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:18:29 -0400 Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com wrote: SNIP! The fact is, that you do in fact notify me. Keeping important security information secret benefits no one, except for possibly those responsible for the problem to begin with who do not want the knowledge of the problem to become public. A multitude of software, such as Mozilla, publish known security holes in their software. The ramifications of allowing a user to actively use a piece of software when a known bug/exploit/etc. exists within it is grossly negligent. The important question is: known by whom? Every reviewer brings their own bias and experience. The code has not been proven correct, so there is not reason to assume that a Black-hat will find the same bug/exploit. If there are more than about 3 unknown exploits, they are more likely to find a different one. IMO, Mozilla is a bad example. I've been bitten by (non-security) bugs going back to 1.5 or earlier. Disclosure: I still prefer Lynx. SNIP! __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks and sdhci
Message: 26 Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:17:10 -0700 From: David Horwitt dbo...@aogsquid.ucsd.edu Subject: netbooks and sdhci To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mob...@freebsd.org Message-ID: 4a9d7336.3050...@aogsquid.ucsd.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I recently purchased an Asus Aspire One D250-1151, and am,overall, pleased with it (running 7,2-RELEASE). The alc ethernet is not supported in 7.2 (the ath0 wireless is), and I don't care about the video camera. The '5-in-1' media reader is, unfortunately for me, a USB device. (After some detective work, I determined that it uses a Reaktek RTS5101 or RTS5111). For my purposes (low level SDHC card access), I prefer hardware that is supported by the sdhci/mmc subsystem. My initial assumption was that you are familiar with the specific type of device you are asking about. Then, I remembered I was tempted by the SD form-factor as well. I think you are asking for trouble because SD cards support Content Protection for Recordable Media (CPRM). One of the features is 'key revocation' technology built into each card. http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/ I also read that speed is hampered by the interface design because they wanted something they could patent, rather than just re-implementing SPI (Serial Peripheral Interface). The SD card Association has a what would have been a promising floppy replacement without those two deliberate design flaws. If you are aware of that and sill want a SDHC reader, I don't have any reason to stop you :) Regards, James Phillips So my question is: does anybody know _for sure_ of a hard-disk netbook with a media reader that uses the sdhci interface and is supported by FBSD 7.2 (supported = wireless,X,USB). SNIP! __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: questions about FreeBSD
Message: 20 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:12:39 +1200 From: Julian R A Manning julian.r.a.mann...@gmail.com Subject: questions about FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: !!aaayaoslqhhrs5xjqsorentxda7cgaaaektsyylaghfbhcoibfzk6jgba...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Sir/Madam I have some questions about FreeBSD. The questions I had in mind are: Such general questions imply homework assignment. Somebody already replied with a link to the Handbook: It mainly covers installing and configuring FreeBSD. . What type of OS is it? Is it single/multi user, multitasking, what family does it belong to? Yes, it supports all three. Single-user mode is usually reserved for emergency system maintenance. . General features (at least three)? Firewall, GUI, Networking and so on. Yes, But the GUI is part of the Ports collection (X Window system (xorg)) http://www.freebsd.org/features.html . Minimum Hardware Requirements? Processors, RAM, Hard drive space, type of monitors and so on. Almost anything made in the past 10 years will do. . File system supported? . Applications (at least three)? eg. wordprocessing and so on. See the ports collection (Chapter 4 of Handbook). It would be very helpful if you could just pass on this email to someone who has experience with FreeBSD. Yours sincerely, Julian Manning Regards, James Phillips __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd
; charset=US-ASCII SNIP! Disclaimer This e-mail transmission contains confidential information, which is the property of the sender. The information in this e-mail or attachments thereto is intended for the attention and use only of the addressee. Should you have received this e-mail in error, please delete and destroy it and any attachments thereto immediately. Under no circumstances will the Cape Peninsula University of Technology or the sender of this e-mail be liable to any party for any direct, indirect, special or other consequential damages for any use of this e-mail. For the detailed e-mail disclaimer please refer to http://www.cput.ac.za/email.php Do you realize that mail sent to this list is available to the general public at the following location? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/ To answer your question: http://www.freebsd.org/features.html Regards, James Phillips __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
--- On Sat, 8/8/09, freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org wrote: Message: 11 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:46:00 -0600 From: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 02:56:41PM -0700, James Phillips wrote: Following the FreeBSD Handbook, I got stuck on trying to get the printer to work. The handbook was basicly instructing me to write my own print driver! I checked the HP website: they will release the details of the PCL language (version 4 or so) for a price. I finally got it working by installing the Apsfiler package in the ports collection (no, did not send the post-card yet; the print server is not functional yet.) SNIP! I'm really not sure how to answer this question, I'm afraid. I don't think it's a stupid question, and I think I can understand what you mean about your problems with getting use out of the documentation, but I haven't had the same problems so I don't know of any quick fixes to offer in how to get around these problems. For instance, when I installed CUPS on a couple of computers here for the first time since I started installing FreeBSD them, it all seemed very straightforward and I didn't see anything that could even through hyperbole be described as involving writing my own printer driver. I basically just set up configuration for CUPS, and it worked -- much more easily than it ever did with Debian (my OS of choice before I migrated stuff to FreeBSD). Okay, after reading this, I used the WayBack Machine to review the printing section of the April 17, 2006 version of the Handbook. I was not able to find anything that is writing a print-driver per-se. In the Advanced section numerous shell scripts are described (some of which use printer commands directly), but they tend to use filters from the ports collection: http://web.archive.org/web/20060417220024/www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-advanced.html There is a section in the Simple section that explicitly says PS != PCL. Part of the problem may be I did not have documentation for my printer, so did not know how to put it in postscript mode. I really did feel I needed the PCL 4 documentation at one point. I'm going to have to conclude I was mistaken. Regards, James Phillips __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
Thank-you for your replies. I guess my main concern was I'm not sure when to stop banging my head against the wall and ask for help. The checklist kind of goes like: Did you read the FAQ and release notes? Did you read the handbook? Did read the man pages? Did you search the mailing-list archives? This list is probably best suited to very specific questions. Some the stuff I mentioned has little to do with BSD. --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 To: James Phillips anti_spam...@yahoo.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 7:45 PM On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:56:41 -0700 (PDT), James Phillips anti_spam...@yahoo.ca wrote: SNIP! I checked the HP website: they will release the details of the PCL language (version 4 or so) for a price. The PCL language is usually output by gs (the Ghostscript printer driver collection that translates PS into PCL and other printer languages). Yes, I figured this out when I abandoned the Handbook and looked at the ports collection. I've used GhostScript under windows as well. I finally got it working by installing the Apsfiler package in the ports collection (no, did not send the post-card yet; the print server is not functional yet.) Personally, I prefer apsfilter to CUPS, but maybe you would have liked CUPS better. It offers a browser based interface and offers lots of autodetection functionality. (But you can't install a parallel printer that isn't connected to the system easily, for example.) I'm wondering how well apsfiler and CUPS cooperate. Samba uses CUPS by default. Setting up a printer with the apsfilter SETUP script is very easy as long as you know which name the printer has - you mentioned HP. And if it's a HP Laserjet, you're lucky. You're even more lucky if your printer does support the PS standard, because then you can avoid using any printer filter (such as apsfilter) because PS is the default output format for printing, and it can be fed directly into the printer. The printer is a $10 POS I got used. PS output seems to confuse it. I'm tempted just to get a newer one. (Laserjet 5L - except it gets confused by PCL 5 as well) SNIP! made few tweaks of the system to better follow the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (such as symlinking /usr/local/etc to /etc/opt). Erm, excuse me? First of all, it's not encouraged to mix OS things with application things. You know that FreeBSD keeps the difference between the OS and everything else (which is located in the /usr/local subtree). If you're coming from a Linux background, I could understand that you're not familiar with this concept. The /usr/local subtree can be completely removed and still leaves you with a completely intact and functional OS. Everything that you install by ports or packages goes into /usr/local, and of course, the configuration files belong there, too. /usr/local/etc has the same structure as /etc, but it's reserved for additional software. Vice versa, configuration files of locally installed ports do not belong into /etc. Refer to % man hier to learn where things are kept on FreeBSD. Using a symlink (/usr/local/etc - /etc/opt) , the system IS still functional if /local is not mounted. putting the settings in /etc makes it possible to mount /usr read-only (in theory). http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/ According to Wikipedia, it is Linux-specific. In any case, the changes are minor. SNIP! That machine is slowly degrading while I try to get the fileserver working the way I want. That indicates a major problem. Either your hardware is faulty, or you are treating the software in the wrong way. Machine in that sentence refers to win98 client. The HD activity light stays on for no apparent reason (no thrashing). I suspect malware, even if the Anti-virus can't find it :( The last time I did a complete re-install (of win98) I lost data due to a damaged disk that I copied the data to (and learned that bzip2recover is a quick hack that needs to be re-written properly according to the source code). It's completely normal that you lose data on Windows platforms. That's why you have a UNIX server for backups. I lost data under Linux that I used for doing the back-up. I blame the cryptic HD error messages under Linux. Took years to figure out what happened. I think FreeBSD hard-drive failure messages were less cryptic. I hope to replace windows with wine for the most part, but wine simply installs the applications in the users' home directory (breaking the FHS). No. You run wine as a user application, so you have user rights only. Then, wine of course provides a user-based installation of your desired Windows program. An analogy would be to think of Wine like a generic interpreter like
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
--- On Fri, 8/7/09, freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org wrote: Message: 6 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:04:16 +0200 From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:09:51 +0300, Manolis Kiagias son...@otenet.gr wrote: Windows experience won't help much - mainly due to the fact Windows forces the users (and admins) to a completely different way of thinking than FreeBSD. That's true. It's even hard to communicate with 'Windows' admins because of a completey different and misleading terminology - and sadly often the lack of understanding what they're talking about. I don't believe half the windows dialog boxes. Why would checking for available disk space (win 98 installation) take more than 2 seconds? The various wizards abstract way too many parts of the system, to the point where you can configure services you don't really understand (i.e. a DNS server is a few clicks away and there are many 'recommended' defaults along the way). Insecure mode: This is the mode you want. Select it NOW! :-) I completely understand the reasoning behind disabled by defaul. It means it doesn't work until you (hopefully) learn what you are doing. That said, following the handbook, I managed to enable ssh twice: one as a stand-alone process, and once as part of inetd. Yes. As I said (elsewhere), FreeBSD is a multi-purpose OS. It does not know what you are intending to use it for, and it doesn't make any assumptions. So you have to communicate your requirements to the system. This requires a certain knowledge, of course. Yes, I learned this with Linux. For Debian the install program works a little like a wizard, but to maintain the system, you need to learn what you are doing. Reboots don't magically fix or break things. SNIP! Once taken the time to set things up, they make you happy running for a lifetime. :-) I love and hate that about *nix :D -James __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
to install the FreeBSD testing release (7.x). I had been felling guilt about leaving a barely-used computer running 24/7. Especially since I wasn't going to trust it with my work aging until I do a successful backup/restore. I finally installed FreeBSD 7.2 (release) on May 9, 2009. However, I now note some feature creep: In addition to file/print and backup server, I want to: 1. Have it sleep when not in use (part of the delay was figuring out how to get the router to send the magic packet. I read RFC's to determine the proper way, and found a hack that will work on my floppy-based router for my network set-up (send it every DHCP lease). Proper way: http://www.freesco.org/support-forum/viewtopic.php?f=15t=17194 (proposal only; rejected due to space constraints) 2. I think I want to move the Voice/Fax/Modem to the machine. Recently I realised a lack of WakeOnRing may impair phone answering if machine is sleeping. 3. I still hope to do other things once the machine is working reliably. So, this long story boils down to the following question: What is that best way to use the handbook and related documentation (like man-pages)? I am willing to do some reading, but get distracted by irrelevant or sometimes too low-level stuff. I want to avoid programing as much as possible until I actually have a work-station I am comfortable playing around with. Thinking about it in the week before posting this, I think that part of my problem is I want to use the documentation to do the right thing rather than experiment. Once I move the family's files onto the server, it becomes essential. I won't be able to have it out of commission for weeks at a time. I hope with the server properly set up, win98 may even be usable again: just do a clean install every morning! I even downloaded the Windows 7 RC so that I can be informed when I say it sucks. Regards, James Phillips PS: I find it a little annoying that FreeBSD releases faster than I can configure my computer! ;) __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: So, this long story boils down to the following question: What is that best way to use the handbook and related documentation (like man-pages)? What?! Ummm . . . read them. I'm not trying to be too big of a dick, but your question strikes me as odd. Read them when you come across something that is troubling you. I suppose there is no need to read about, say, wifi card drivers that you don't use. I am willing to do some reading, but get distracted by irrelevant or sometimes too low-level stuff. I want to avoid programing as much as possible until I actually have a work-station I am comfortable playing around with. How do you expect to get comfortable w/out playing around, other than, I guess (a'la above) reading the documentation? Put another way: I want a reliable, backed-up file-server before playing around on my workstation that would be a separate computer. I want to build myself a sand-box so I don't have to worry about breaking stuff that is unrelated. Another way of asking the question: How much of a learning curve is configuring FreeBSD (for Samba, NFS, DVD burning (backups) expected to be? Am I reading too much because of a learning disability, or do I really need to read and understand that much detail? I have some experience with Dos/Windows, and Linux (mainly Debian based). Regards, James Phillips __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sony PRS-505 Reader and camcontrol load problem
I like to blame things like that on DRM. Proving it is the tricky part. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagicGate The Wikipedia article says the Sony Portable e-Reader PRS-500 did not support MagicGate, but future support is possible through a firmware update. Regards, James Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:52:31 +0400 From: Andrei Crivoi andrei.cri...@gmail.com Subject: Sony PRS-505 Reader and camcontrol load problem To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 332c55d60908020552h4b89e7d5y97e4c8b29f313...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi gaise, i'm trying to mount a memory stick card on my Sony Portable Reader PRS-505 device and constantly getting the Error received from start unit command message when issuing camcontrol load command. Here is the full log: [r...@morbo /usr/home/andrei]# camcontrol rescan all Re-scan of bus 0 was successful Re-scan of bus 1 was successful [r...@morbo /usr/home/andrei]# camcontrol devlist Sony PRS-505/UC 1000 at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0) Sony PRS-505/UC:MS 1000 at scbus1 target 0 lun 1 (pass1,da1) Sony PRS-505/UC:SD 1000 at scbus1 target 0 lun 2 (pass2,da2) [r...@morbo /usr/home/andrei]# camcontrol load 1:0:1 Error received from start unit command The most interesting fact - 'camcontrol format' somehow saves the situation: __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
(Firefox) is a redesign of the Mozilla browser component, similar to Galeon, K-Meleon and Camino, but written using the XUL user interface language and designed to be lightweight and cross-platform. - http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/iceweasel The Original Poster ruled out dillo because it did not have enough features. I fear any featureful, lightweight web-browser is destined to be bloated like Firefox, or as some people suggest, Opera. The introduction of the Document Object Model (and CSS) with HTML 4.0 means fast Lynx-style single-pass rendering is out. JavaScript means that websites can use an arbitrary amount of CPU time (sometimes deliberately), unless throttled. Regards, James Phillips --- On Fri, 7/31/09, freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org wrote: Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:30:02 +0200 From: Wolfgang Riegler w.rieg...@cbtl.de Subject: Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 200907311230.02216.w.rieg...@cbtl.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Give Midori a try. Of course it's a young project and maybe there are not all of the features of Firefox or Opera, but Midori is lightweight and really fast. It's based on WebKit, so there should be no problem with standard conform websites. Wolfgang __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
